#balance

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lucid olive
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Currently Wild Mushroom talent is negative DPS to take - it's better to take the talent and ignore the ability than to take the talent and press the ability

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I agree with buffing the unused EC talents is good and adding some choice into the incredibly bland gameplay loop it has currently, but I think your understanding of why those talents are bad is wrong

drifting nova
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rather stellar flare over moonfire/sunfire ngl

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why they do literally the same thing

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but are two binds

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is a choice

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in 2025

stiff bolt
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if hard cast stellar flare applied moonfire.
or stellar flare got lengthened by starfall.
since stellar flare would then be main casting ability + moon
that would be awesome

drifting nova
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it being reduced to sometimes a ST only raid talent

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is a disservice to the ability irself

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hell, make it a proc

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idk anything

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tell me why astral communion exists

stiff bolt
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make orbital summon a full moon instead of stellar flares
or make moon apply moonfire

drifting nova
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woah, aoe moonfire?

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cant be having that

stiff bolt
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making it 2 targets with twin moons

lucid olive
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Yeah please cook less and eat more

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Have you tried playing full moon and flare with how the spec is currently

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That shit is actually horrid gameplay

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You'd probably love to know that those talents are only like a 0.2% loss in raid with keeper of the grove

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But nobody playing it cause it's complete nightmare

stiff bolt
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whats with youre negativity gamz?

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its like:
i say something gamz doesnt agree with

gamz- that stuff is horrible and you are wasting time, and its super bad to play, and everything is a nightmare

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have you every heard:
"if you dont have anything good to say. dont say anything"?

lucid olive
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Yeah I'll call you out on a bad cook when your reasoning is "casting stellar flare and full moon would be awesome"

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I also gave a solid reasoning for why further up and pointed out some flaws in the specific talents you wanted to buff to make pressing Full Moon and Flare worth it, but it seems we've moved over to discussing me instead so

stiff bolt
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just let people cook, instead of just beeing negative

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on another note

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@drifting nova i think orbital strike is limiting stellar flare viability for potential buffs.
also orbital strike would themathicly fit better with moon, i think.

how i envision a "moon elunes chosen build" would be/ different options for changes, making 2 different elunes chosen builds playable:

moon applies moonfire to primary target (or stellar flare?).
orbital strike summons a full moon at X% effectiveness
current mastery would buff stellar flare.
buff moon astral generation.
make "touch the cosmos" also have a proc if you hard cast stellar flare.
have "crashing star" count towards orbit breaker count. (dont know if it does)

resulting in orbital strike + orbital breaker giving moonfire on 2 targets.
more orbital breaker procs
the extended length of casts, compared to just casting moonfire is a benefit, but also a downside (sort of) with a reduction in power as a counterbalance

it could also be that moons apply stellar flare, but this would then be less along the lines of moon thematic, and it would be a simpler change.

edit: orbital strike could instead be CDR when hard casting stellar flare, but thats a different cook

potent cargo
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mbd strikes again

stiff bolt
# severe hollow no

Balance full moon druid rotation:
Moonfire until grouped
Sunfire
Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
Warrior of Elune
2-3x Starfire
2x Starfall
Full Moon
Full Moon
2x Starfall

Starfall > Stellar Flare

Pull ending:
New Moon
Half Moon

severe hollow
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why would I care about that?

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just said no on your slop

lucid olive
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Stellar Flare being part of our mastery and Full Moon being a rotational spell would be such a detriment to the spec and make it even more of a dumpster fire in raid than it currently is

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But saying that is being negative

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Let's add a 1+ second cast to our already too long ramp time so we do even less damage to adds

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Moons applying Moonfire would also make Moons not benefit from Moonfire part of our mastery just based on how the devs code this shit

stiff bolt
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i said stellar flare benefits from both moonfire and sunfire bonus dmg, because it is a astal spell

lucid olive
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Like Fluid Form changing you into Moonkin, but the casts not benefitting from Moonkin Form aura

stiff bolt
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less % of overall dmg comming from wrath and starfire = less downside to fluidform

lucid olive
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Yeah let's take what I said and completely disregard the point

delicate perch
lucid olive
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Anyway always good that people keep cooking

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Keep it up bud

delicate perch
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nvm no cooking

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please disregard

vale pebble
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evil gamz hating on new people again

stiff bolt
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i dont quite get the "moons applying moonfire negates benefits from mastery" parts @lucid olive

lucid olive
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If you want Blizzard to hear your feedback, go post on the forums feedback posts

lucid olive
quiet drift
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"just based on how the devs code this shit"

lucid olive
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Meaning the Moon dmg event wouldn't benefit because Moonfire would not currently be active on the target

stiff bolt
lucid olive
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Sure but then Flare would never be a pressed ability

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And it would be a passive interaction that didn't actually change anything

quiet drift
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Stellar flare applies all dots

stiff bolt
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moons only apply it to primary target

lucid olive
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Did you play vault of the incarnates

stiff bolt
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not as boomkin

lucid olive
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Yeah it shows

stiff bolt
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thats negative

lucid olive
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Applying Stellar Flare on AOE is a horror show of a rotation

teal sphinx
lucid olive
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But if you want to cook a way for it to do that again they should make Flare proc Shooting Stars again

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Cause that was what made it not dogshit

stiff bolt
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a different cook, is to change boundless midnight and the ethernal moon to apply stellar flare instead of summoning minor moons

ivory bloom
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pressing flare every 15s to 4 diff targets in council was some next level horror

lucid olive
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Idk why you want everything to apply Flare

lucid olive
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Yes so why apply it passively

ionic surge
ionic surge
teal sphinx
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Its terrible and you should feel bad

stiff bolt
teal sphinx
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Just wanted to publicly slander you mike

lucid olive
teal sphinx
potent cargo
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stellar flare procs

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so reskin mushroom no?

lucid olive
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Yeah idk

pallid bay
potent cargo
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just another proc to activate waning

pallid bay
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people who think otherwise are starfire pilled 0 thought aoe rotation andys

ionic surge
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my point exactly

pallid bay
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let my rotation be 2 buttons

ionic surge
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only sune and I have the vision

pallid bay
teal sphinx
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Two people can have terrible opinions

pallid bay
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the reason flare sucked for people is cause they didnt understand the usage and applied it to 10 targets at the start of each pack

stiff bolt
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stellar flare procs = less stellar flare casts, but higher target count would still need the casts.
depending on cook, stellar flare could reduce cooldown foincarn.
stellar flare could get a higher resource generation for more starfalls
stellar flare could have a higher proc chance for mushrooms
hardcasting mushrooms could be doable in between stellar flare casts

quiet drift
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Legit asmr

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Pressing my funny little shrooms

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applying Flares while waning was still up

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spending my funny little 2pc

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Cinema spec...

pallid bay
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i would like to know

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if flare was bad

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what iteration of aoe rotation was good

teal sphinx
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None of it

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Its why people have been complaining for 2 full expacs

stiff bolt
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i dont think people will ever be happy

pallid bay
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sure but there's a spectrum right

quiet drift
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10.0 > 4.3

lucid olive
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Bring back Pulsar

pallid bay
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not everything is the same amount of bad

teal sphinx
quiet drift
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That is why recommending class design should be left to people with thick skin

lucid olive
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Yes but only my idea and preference is correct

teal sphinx
quiet drift
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Yes

teal sphinx
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Idr which version did that

stiff bolt
ionic surge
stiff bolt
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oh yeah then also set bonuses limits creativity aswell.
current set bonus makes you play starfire

quiet drift
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?

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EC as a hero tree

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makes you play Starfire

stiff bolt
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yeah, but hero tree is a numbers thing... mostly
but both contributes

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there was larger creativity when there was no hero talent tree

ivory bloom
stiff bolt
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limiting variety

ivory bloom
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i mean sure, but eveyr spec in this game has been working like thsi for atleast 4 expansions

stiff bolt
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hero talents limit it even more

ivory bloom
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but isnt it cool that u have 1 hero talent for m+ and other for single target? some specs doesnt even have that

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also i kinda like when starfire hits hard

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i dont mind spamming it if it does good dmg

stiff bolt
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true, that difference in ST and AoE has grown

ivory bloom
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every season u will have a new tier set which focuses on different spells

quiet drift
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But this just comes down to Blizzards design philosophy

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aslong as they just decide Starfire = AoE

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it will stay like this forever

ivory bloom
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ye thats my point here, blizzard has had this logic u have main aoe ability and main st ability

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and it has been like this looong time

quiet drift
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We had a Dot build

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and it lasted half a patch

stiff bolt
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that dot build was not thought through properly

quiet drift
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And they removed it

ivory bloom
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dots have lost meaning in this game long time ago

quiet drift
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instead of trying to fix it

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Kinda proving my point here

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They simply do not like it

lucid olive
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compared to the other builds in the tree that are tried and tested and thoroughly thought out before making it to live

stiff bolt
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like if you think of the set bonuses we have had the last 3 seasons....
how much have talent allocation changed? (not counting the addition of passive mushrooms=

lucid olive
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from the tier sets alone its just been whether you play flare on ST or not

lofty depot
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I mean, this season it's changed more than others

formal isle
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How do we sim for dungeons when dungeon slice doesnt work?

lofty depot
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But it's not a tier set thing, it's a half our talents are dogshit thing

lucid olive
reef surge
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can i farm runed faster in delves or keys

lofty depot
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Depends how fast u are

reef surge
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well in delves i solo tank and i usually just pull whole rooms and kite them to others

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its decently fast i guess

lofty depot
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So as long as ur faster than doing a dungeon yes

reef surge
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fair enough

lucid olive
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I was correct on this

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with Stellar Command over Lunar Calling it's still better to just enter Lunar

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probably because of the tier set I guess

quiet drift
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You still have Lunation

lucid olive
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yeah I was just checking purely for SC

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with the tier sets disabled it's worse to enter lunar even with lunation

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not particularly close either

spark inlet
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I'm not sure what stats I should try and fix, I have mostly haste and mastery with a bit of crit

lucid olive
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I had to increase to 300% before it broke even

stiff bolt
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yeah, spec is so imbalanced that its not even worth mentioning new moon/ half moon/ full moon in hero tree

lofty depot
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Well when moons was even marginally better people complained

lofty depot
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Getting higher ilvl gear will matter more

inland stump
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does 3k io or aotc matter more for trying to get into mythic pugs

jaunty blaze
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Neither

inland stump
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Fairs

jaunty blaze
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Doesnt hurt to have tho ig

stiff bolt
lofty depot
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Well it is a rotation changer

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Its barely a DPS CD cuz it does none

maiden pasture
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where above a certain mob count u didnt dot and just spammed starfire

spark inlet
wild dune
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every 300 ap spent turns starsurge into a instant cast full moon

stiff bolt
lofty depot
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except for surge does more damage than full moon

stiff bolt
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the free surge when casting starfall could combo nicely there

wild dune
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look man just bring back pulsar or something idk shrugeg

jaunty blaze
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bringing it back as we speak

round field
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Deal

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Its a choice node with ca now

vagrant prawn
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may be a really dumb question but from the keystone guru site where to you put in the output for the sims on raidbots

lucid olive
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Expert mode in footer at the bottom of raidbots

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If that's what you mean

glossy olive
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Is it better to go 0 haste then to go mastery haste atm? For singeltarget.

lucid olive
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for keeper yeah probably

glossy olive
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does it work with sims, cuz when I sim it says no

lucid olive
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sure

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also what are you simming

glossy olive
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switching some rings/neck for more crit/vers

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and mastery

clear ibex
quiet drift
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lol

craggy sonnet
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Oddly specific

tight cypress
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Hey there. Havent played since the early phases of Dragonflight. How is our laser owl doing?

quiet drift
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Bottom of the pack

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As per usual

tight cypress
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Does it still play like in DF?

quiet drift
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With pulsar being removed, no

tight cypress
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They removed pulsar?

quiet drift
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This has taken its place

ember oxide
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Listen to cotti hes a wise man

tight cypress
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What was celestial alignment again

lucid olive
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the thing pulsar gave you

tight cypress
tight cypress
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Well that sounds quite comfortable tbf

ember oxide
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Ure wrong

tight cypress
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The less active abilities i can forget to use the better

tight cypress
ember oxide
tight cypress
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I dont wanna be mean

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I never really interacted with any WoW community beyond the occasional guild

lucid olive
ember oxide
tight cypress
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Oh

ember oxide
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@pallid bay mrowing

tight cypress
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Well i am sorry for that

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But its nice to hear the owl got simpler to play

lucid olive
ember oxide
tight cypress
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I still remember the boomkin back in Bfa, which was so horrible it made me change to elemental shaman back during the Aszhara raid in Nazjatar

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I really like what they have done with it

quiet drift
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Great to hear blobthumbsup

tight cypress
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Did they add any customisation to the Zandalari Boomkin form?

lucid olive
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not really

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they just added the new moonkin model back in Amirdrassil

tight cypress
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The wide ones with all the customisation?

lucid olive
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yes

eager raft
lofty depot
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back when balance wasnt bottom 5 consistently

tight cypress
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I disliked bfas owl extremely

tawdry trellis
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So not even a 710 antenna is beating my Dawnbreaker trinket

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bait or nah?

maiden pasture
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Your 723 trinket isn't beat by a heroic one

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Not a surprise

tawdry trellis
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The Araz 6/6 heroic did beat my 723 Lily

maiden pasture
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Araz is op

jaunty blaze
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and so you apply the same logic to every raid trinket

tawdry trellis
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Only for ST not AoE.

jaunty blaze
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hmm

maiden pasture
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Lily stinks for moonkin

tawdry trellis
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Lily for AoE parses better

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Sims*

maiden pasture
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Because the value of stats are very different in aoe and st

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In EC you want hast mast mostly

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In kotg you want very little haste

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Also the kotg apl doesn't really optimise 1.5m trinkets like lily all that well supposedly

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With lily you might be better off popping it before the first dryad surges so it covers both

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But it doesn't matter because araz is just way better

tawdry trellis
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I'm using Araz 704 over Lily 723 in Raid because it's simming better

lucid olive
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nice

tawdry trellis
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I lied Araz is 710. Didn't need to use gilded to upgrade

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But same principal

jaunty blaze
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what is even the question i dont get it

maiden pasture
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Don't really understand your point

tawdry trellis
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earlier the question was about antenna. and if my sim was a bait or nah

lucid olive
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its not

jaunty blaze
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if you dont trust the sim why do you even sim

maiden pasture
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Araz is way better than other on use trinkets so that the drop in ilevel is worth it. Antenna is not

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There's your answer

lucid olive
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Araz gives primary stat

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your 4pc scales heavily on primary stat

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Lily gives secondary stat

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your 4pc doesn't scale with secondary stat

maiden pasture
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Tell that to me praying for crits

lofty depot
sonic surge
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What can I do if I get chosen for the electricity circle mechanic four fucking times in floodgate 15?

I purposely dont defensive the party wide damage phase so I can bark if I get chosen

I bark 1st one, renewal + health pot second one, had to use frenzy regen during the aoe phase, third one got a healer defensive, fourth one i bark and its not enough and just fucking die, got ressed, die during aoe phase again even tho bear frenzy regen

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I dont think its a healer issue either, happened before with other healers

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I just...run out of shit

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Even during swampface sometimes I just fucking rot to death with everything used

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This is the one fucking thing ive hated about boomie since they nerfed our offhealing after shadowlands

lucid olive
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On the last boss?

sonic surge
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Yeah and to some extent swampface

lucid olive
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Doesn't that mechanic always alternate so you can't get it back to back

sonic surge
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I've definitely gotten it back to back

lucid olive
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For each phase at least

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Yeah if the boss does intermission between you can

sonic surge
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Yeah I think that's what happened

lucid olive
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There's 2 sets of circles every phase and if you don't get the 1st you'll always get the 2nd

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And then it resets after the intermission AoE phase

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but also just Barkskin the first one and then ask for external/bear form the 2nd one if you don't have Barkskin up again

sonic surge
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How do I use bear for it correctly?

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Just pop bear for the initial application?

lucid olive
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go bear as it explodes and stand in bear with frenzied during the dot

sonic surge
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Or stay in bear and let frenzy regen fully go off?

lucid olive
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can also go bear for initial hit and then renewal during the dot

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watch your well-honed instincts debuff too

crimson helm
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Dunno, maybe Frenzy First in your rotation, since it only has 20 sec CD? I'm not doing 15s yet so might talk outta my a**, but I usually rotate my CDs like Frenzy/Bark/Frenzy/Renew/Frenzy/maybe Bark again etc.

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That's why I also like to play extra health in Bear too so my lifepool itself and Frenzy in it is somewhat a CD itself.

Not a pro Boomer though.

scenic mist
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terrible

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i'd only use it as a last resort

crimson helm
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I mean, he asks what else he can do to survive so if that's his last resort, might be an idea. But yeah, I totally get your point.

scenic mist
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no ofc you should definitely use it when you need it, but i would never use it as my 1st option when bark is available

crimson helm
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Okay, I see. Ye, guess getting the circle that often is just unlucky then I guess...
I don't have a pre-made group either and don't trust much random healers tbh, so that's why I take Frenzy that often sometimes xP
But ye, if timer is short, I rethink to improve my dps uptime too.

scenic mist
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bark should always be up for it

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unless bad combo like you got last circle set and then first circle set next phase, then bear regen cry

lofty depot
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Should likely have health pot aswell

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Just gotta use the things u have. Assume you're not

lucid olive
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yeah, i guess people overspend CDs on the aoe dmg during the intermission

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but the healer should carry that part

lofty depot
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Suppose

bitter loom
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how do we sim M+ / AoE? light movement 5 targets?

lucid olive
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read FAQ in Compendium

onyx dove
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any druid can teach me a bit? :C

misty glade
dense stratus
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just want to clarify: for our KotG double CA combo, if we have max AP going into it, do we 1. treant-CA-surge-surge-convoke-CA or do we 2. treant-CA-surge-surge-surge(so AP is below 40)-convoke-CA ?

not sure if there's some boat shenanigans to justify in option 1, or just follow the prio list in option 2.

normal pilot
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you can 3x surge if you have lust if not only 2

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in which case you messed up by going in with full ap

dense stratus
normal pilot
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treant nobody cares about boat

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boat/CA are just things that are nice to have but not important as treants

dense stratus
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nice nice, cheers!

reef surge
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so idk why, but when i sim myself, Its marginal but Signet of the priory and azhiccaran parapodia sim higher then astral antenna and azhiccaran parapodia.

tame dome
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folks question about the tier set starsurges. Does Harmony of the Grove increase damage even if already at the cap for the max dmg from the 4set?

lucid olive
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huh

lofty depot
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has nothing to do with the cap

tame dome
# lucid olive huh

So what I meant was, if without trees it would cap at dealing say 12k damage, would the trees increase the dmg on top of that cap? Or would using trees just help it reach the cap

lucid olive
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the treant buff is applied after yes

tame dome
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ok, ty

bleak junco
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What's easier to play Balance or Feral? and how much did that one buff help balance?

tame dome
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oh man balance definitely easier bud

delicate perch
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they're both not overly difficult

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one is melee and one is a ranged that you want to have good uptime on

bleak junco
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I rarely get to dps, i usually tank or heal, but I figure if I dps I find a easy one because i like easy

reef surge
lofty depot
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u can sim things wihtout having them

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search top gear dawg

round oracle
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its only close because antenna is giga strong

potent tree
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Hi one question, when is the best time to reapply the dots of moonfire, sunfire and stellar flare?

lofty depot
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when theyre in pandemic

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which is when they glow around the last 5-6s

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is anyone taking illinois?

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need to know why

candid mason
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Is there a downside to crafting a third piece if you arent mythic raiding? With turbo boost only bumping hero pieces to 716 it would still be higher ilvl to have a 720 starlight craft

lofty pulsar
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question about the EC m+ build and raid build if i may. is the change using starsurge over starfall just to help with prio damage while still giving out targeted aoe.?

vagrant prawn
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@lofty depot signetti is a better coach than beilma but I think Illinois has the better players they will cover

quiet drift
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But no crafting has never been bad if you dont have mythic track options

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That is why the system is there

candid mason
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Fair enough

delicate perch
shrewd gate
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What yall sim for dungeon if not dungeon slice?

mighty mica
shrewd gate
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I appreciate it! Sorry if asking that was annoying, new to the discord.

lucid olive
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No problem, asking questions is never annoying

lofty depot
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Lol, betting discord afk. They're all eating dinner

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(I like Indiana at home, was curious tho)

vagrant prawn
lofty depot
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I'm on the under already

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I generally eat on the early games.
Michigan -105, over 23.5 team total, Oklahoma -6.5

delicate perch
lofty depot
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Football young blud

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Some of us are degenerates

delicate perch
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soccer?

lofty depot
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No...

potent cargo
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sitting here watching the miami game rn

delicate perch
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phew..

vagrant prawn
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Who’d you take in Florida miami

lofty depot
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Same

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Neither, assume Miami -7

potent cargo
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miami easily

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florida gonna get dogwalked

vagrant prawn
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Lagway may be a bigger bust than manning it’s crazy

potent cargo
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lagway on his way to being tua turntheballova

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few more sacks and his noodle is cooked

vagrant prawn
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With how he’s playing he won’t get drafted

potent cargo
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ye 0 chance

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OU put 9 sacks on the auburn qb today as well

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dudes gonna be terrified of being in the pocket for the rest of his life

lofty depot
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Michigan sacked raiola 7 times and won by 3

potent cargo
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rams are gonna need to draft a qb next season

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bets were on arch manning

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after seeing him play thank fuck its not

lofty depot
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Lol, who they gonna take

potent cargo
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Trade to get shadeur sanders Kappa

scenic mist
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is this american football ?

drifting nova
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the band?

dense steeple
mighty mica
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good band

dense steeple
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Its really wild that they have access to the fancy channel that colored names use to chat sportsball and they do it in balance anyway

potent cargo
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was in a reddit thread about tennesse's kicker getting his foot stomped on

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found out florida's last qb had 5 felony pedo charges against him

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college fuckin football baby

drifting nova
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florida man would never

lofty depot
scenic mist
lofty depot
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College more of a sport cuz most of the kids aren't giga rich

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NFL feels more like a show

scenic mist
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so kinda like basketball right ?

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NBA is a show

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but college is legit ig ?

misty glade
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yeah I watch way more college fb than nfl

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I feel more connected to my school team than my geographic nfl team

frigid goblet
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would anyone mind looking at my logs on forgeweaver to see if im messing up something super bad? we kept wiping before the damage amp so im assuming thats where alot of the final overall dps comes from

lofty depot
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Stars sit out like 40% of the season

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Shits cringe

scenic mist
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it's a shitshow

lofty depot
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Trees before CA not during

frigid goblet
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ok ty!

potent cargo
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college football is always absolutely wild and if you're a sicko its great

scenic mist
# lofty depot
  • dont send 3 surges before voke when you dont have lust, only 2
frigid goblet
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why not?

scenic mist
frigid goblet
#

ohhh i see i see tyvm!

potent cargo
drifting nova
#

shouldnt that be yknow..the nfl?

potent cargo
#

I love the NFL too, but with college football I get to watch two days straight of football and like 5* as many games to watch compared to NFL which is compressed

#

actually watching the game obviously NFL is more professional and that is both good and bad

dreamy gyro
#

EAST CAROLINA PIRATES WILL WIN

dreamy kiln
#

My Brisbane Lions in Grand Final of Aussie Rules, as u yanks say... LET'S EFFING GO!!!

dreamy kiln
#

Yeah, but hey "}

lofty depot
vagrant prawn
#

@lofty depot I may have been wrong about Indiana

lofty depot
#

🙂

#

Bringing the belt

#

Might do some funny Wyoming +240 cuz Colorado is ass

stone ledge
#

@lofty depot cheers

lofty depot
#

Hi

potent cargo
lofty depot
#

I specifically hate Colorado and welcome them being cooked

potent cargo
#

who'd of thought not having 4 nfl wide receivers to throw to would be bad for the season

#

that + qb issues now

#

its so ogre

lofty depot
#

Had 4 and still only won 3

#

Ain't shit

potent cargo
#

that illinois indiana game

#

diabolical

lofty depot
#

Miami trash ig

dense steeple
#

wait m+ score was rebalanced sometime this week?

dense steeple
#

huge

#

i no longer need to do a ton of 14s

#

i just slammed a 13 for a weekly vault and game was like "nice youre now 100 io higher than you were 3 days ago"

left kraken
#

okay now that haste is not my main secondary stat prioryis useful nozit0Lul

sudden pawn
left kraken
loud kettle
lofty depot
#

1 ca u ca surge surge trees

left kraken
lofty pulsar
#

so.. this seems like a stupid question more so after i have ran a sim, but when would you change over and use the voidglass kris over a crafted 2h?

lofty depot
#

when u get the mythic one

lofty pulsar
#

that is what i figured too, got the hero kris out of the weekly box reward just sad i wont be using it haha

lofty pulsar
#

another question with crafted gear, if i want to recraft the item stats will i need to use another spark?

haughty moon
#

i had a weird pull in dawnbreaker on the second pull (lust pull on ship) where it looked like some of the rp npcs randomly entered combat with us, 2 nightbolts landed and killed me then healer after I rezzed and reentered combat. i've also had pulls before where no nightbolts go through but still ppl will get randomly globaled. is it possible somehow starfall is generating aggro (starfall i thought doesn't hit anything we're not in direct combat with and additionally it doesn't hit anything that's cc'ed). anyone else experience similar situation?

lofty depot
lofty depot
#

but "directly incombat with" is incorrect. There are RP mobs that come up that starfall does hit

#

its possible someone hit an aoe or dots?

golden mango
#

I’ve seen moonfire go on them, not sure if it’ll cleave or I mouseovered on accident

lofty depot
#

yea if u dot them, ur then in combat with them

upbeat sable
sinful flower
#

hey, i'm goiung to get my 2h crafted, should i do crit mastery or haste mastery?

lofty depot
#

sim it

#

if u plan on doing high keys or something of that nature, u can use haste but its not preferred in raid

sinful flower
#

yeah i'm more of a m+ player, and haste sims a bit better than crit

lofty depot
#

then yea

haughty moon
haughty moon
#

if it overlaps with one of the casts or a circle already going off you just poof

lofty pulsar
#

Looking over the compendium what is the difference in the mythic plus build and the EC single target build.?

lofty depot
#

Probably stellar amp, goldrinn, nature's balance

lofty pulsar
#

So sounds like starsurge is used alot more with that build does it set a higher prio damage with targeted aoe

grim hull
#

if i want to do blitz bgs, is murloc io a good site to look at for pvp talent builds?

drifting nova
#

am I dumb and dont know what the weekly loot buff does or

craggy sonnet
maiden pasture
tiny ridge
#

gg

#

second mistake at the same week im so stupid

potent cargo
#

29 deaths

#

idk if its entirely on you bro

#

u just took a trip to brickganistan

delicate perch
#

he chose to enter a keystone

quiet drift
#

Everyone is also just doing half the damage theyre supposed to

delicate perch
#

100% on him

quiet drift
#

Team game

#

Team lose

delicate perch
#

I think I could do that warlocks damage as bear that's kinda cracked

#

nerf bear

potent cargo
#

dude had to drain life as the tankiest class in the game

delicate perch
potent cargo
#

what can ya do

tiny ridge
#

never ever again inviting 3k+ tank again

#

2/2 keys failed

delicate perch
#

why are you playing fake fellowship when real fellowship is is out for the next few days

tiny ridge
#

idk what u talking about

delicate perch
#

fellowship

tiny ridge
#

idk what is that

delicate perch
#

google idk

tiny ridge
#

im not playing that shit

#

but probably will be a lot better than playing wow

#

felloship chill game

#

from 12 key to 9

#

2 char stucked

quaint wave
#

Idk sometimes it's unlucky

tiny ridge
#

2/2 10s keys failed with 3200 rating tank

#

which means 100%

#

that is not unlucky

jade flume
#

Just gotta do more dam

tiny ridge
#

yey e

ionic surge
tiny ridge
#

enoguh to fail my 2 chars

#

with no 10s keys

delicate perch
#

100% chance gg its over

jaunty blaze
#

might aswell quit

#

😭

tough maple
#

why didn't blizzard make the EC 4set, not tick out of combat? you just lose the stacks while waiting for packs to roam etc..

#

i mean in +17 keys and above this is a big deal

jaunty blaze
#

ask them maybe you find out

delicate perch
#

keystones are a minigame why would they care

tiny ridge
#

shit

quiet drift
tiny ridge
#

Only Max Colors is enabled but you may not have enough gem colors chosen.

#

what this shit means?

#

is this ok

#

fuk sim

delicate perch
tiny ridge
#

I CLICKED ALL 4 COLORS GEM WTF IS THIS SIM SHIT

upper anvil
#

That and they don't like boomies

drifting nova
upper anvil
drifting nova
#

woah there buddy

#

I said almost

upper anvil
#

Yall gotta find better pugs 💀

#

Still applies

#

How does one almost deplete a 2

drifting nova
#

was a 0 ara

#

2

#

balls dungeon

#

actually

upper anvil
#

💀

drifting nova
#

no one interrupting poison volley

#

I'm healing out my mind

#

know the first pull down stairs

#

straight to miniboss

#

yeah tank only did to the middle of stairs

wild dune
#

kekkers its like week 7

#

why are you doing 2s

drifting nova
#

I'm on my 5th alt

wild dune
#

stop

#

get some help

drifting nova
#

that actually has s1 tier still

#

so dont even

wild dune
#

or friends idk, get carried in 10s like a normal person !

drifting nova
#

616 gloves/legs on paladin

#

couldnt find a m0 for quest so thought oh theres a 2

#

20 mythic dungs going to take me years at this rate

craggy sonnet
#

Also the gems you have selected are stupid

#

Just useless Iteration bloat

hollow mist
outer topaz
#

Hello, everyone! I started playing as a balance druid and encountered a problem where using the Starfall ability causes a ‘star-like glow’ to appear across the entire screen, which is very distracting and reduces the frame rate by approximately 5 to 20 frames per second, depending on how often the ability is used. Is there an add-on, script, or WA that removes this glow effect? I've lowered the Texture Resolution in game settings on purpose to better illustrate what I mean

quiet drift
#

try dropping particle density

tiny ridge
scenic mist
outer topaz
tiny ridge
#

oh rip

craggy sonnet
#

And stop with the stupid single color gems

#

They are just less stats

#

Select the X/mast and X/haste variants

#

If you are simming for m+

tiny ridge
#

i did

#

but cant sim all of them

#

vers/haste only cant sim vers/mastery

#

why it says to buy crit gem

#

i have a lot more crit compared to other druids

drifting nova
#

did hoa get fixed for weekly?

quaint wave
# tiny ridge 2/2 10s keys failed with 3200 rating tank

yes it is unfortunately, small sample size. In any event, seems like it's a 'lost the key in the creation lobby' situation, you inv'd a demo when you're boomie to priory and the shaman had 90k dps, like it's legitimately a lottery system because anybody can have a bad day but I have a sneaking suspicion that the track records will indicate the 3200 rated tanks are a safer bet than the other people you inv'd lol

tiny ridge
#

20+ keys with lower tanks all timmed

#

smaller pulls but timmed

#

idc if he pulls 200 mobs when we not timming the key

drifting nova
#

tfw abanoned a 2

#

as the ego 3k tank alt got mad he cant path

#

like brother it's a 2 and I just want weekly

#

thats it

scenic mist
drifting nova
#

tank rating is fake

tiny ridge
#

cuz big rating tanks play different

#

they expect the same group that he did +16

drifting nova
#

manually abandoning a 2 should be a prison sentence

#

dogshit mechanic

eager raft
#

And enchants for that matter

tiny ridge
#

ok

tiny ridge
#

I cant sim

maiden pasture
pallid bay
#

slap whatever meta gem you like

#

take one of each color that has mastery

tiny ridge
paper ember
glad light
#

When I'm trying to sim for M+ gear should I still be using patchwerk?

#

Also I've noticed a difference in what wowhead says about BIS trinkets vs what is ranked on bloodmallet. Is one more right than the other or does it all boil down to sims?

jaunty blaze
#

bis lists are pretty useless

#

always sim

#

check faq in compendium for recommendation on how to sim for m+

glad light
#

got it...thanks

lucid olive
#

but bloodmallet is doubley bad

maiden pasture
#

ur gonna summon him again

maiden pasture
eternal sandal
plucky valley
#

Try to argue that a pull timer is useless on Dimmy and that people should just take the portal when the vibe is right

maiden pasture
digital berry
tiny ridge
#

ucurum

drifting nova
maiden pasture
#

Kekkers and boxna should both get their own role, thoughts?

drifting nova
#

I'm older

tiny ridge
maiden pasture
#

I think you're a strange individual posting random shit like complaining about not getting a drop at the end of a dungeon or random warlock overall DPS

drifting nova
#

well blizzard scammed me in my dungeon I just ran so

#

it's valid

#

I'll allow it

#

event gives you an extra item

#

got nothing

upper anvil
eager raft
#

Whatever happened to that cd timeline visualizer thing vinter was making

#

@jolly delta

maiden pasture
#

It exists

eager raft
#

Oh perfect thanks goat

jolly delta
tiny ridge
jaunty blaze
#

why are we sexist now

maiden pasture
#

Hi guys I'm a girl :3

livid prairie
eager raft
upper anvil
pallid bay
fossil shard
#

Perfect

fathom nebula
#

I got put in On Mythic Salad Bar

#

SO ive unsubscribed from the game

#

was fun guys 😄 (It wasnt, shit tier to be Boomie)

red mantle
#

holy rank 5 araz boss dmg parse

#

i am literally dsune

lofty depot
#

hes a feral so i doubt it

pallid bay
pallid bay
loud kettle
#

literally dsune

#

thats wild

red mantle
#

i am literally you for real

#

holy

lofty depot
#

smh

eager raft
#

👍

maiden pasture
#

wtf

#

bro actually got it spot on

#

the rank and the boss dam part

lofty depot
#

he had inside info prob

#

or inspect info 🙂

maiden pasture
#

yeah inside info cause hes literally dsune

vital hound
#

yet to see the two of them in the same room

bronze torrent
#

What miss chance should we use to sim Antenna?

maiden pasture
#

depends what fight ur wanting to simulate

scenic mist
bronze torrent
#

Ok thx 🙂

upper anvil
#

@maiden pasture your favorite person and enterntainment told me he doesnt use health pots or tempered potions, questions why his dying in priory on a 10 and blaming healer for his deaths 🤣

pallid bay
#

thats kinda based

#

heal my character its a +10

upper anvil
#

not when youre floor poving 4 times each fight or multiple pulls in the same key 💀

vital hound
#

yea i agree with maya's friend

#

its not worth the gold

upper anvil
#

how often are you forced into bear in a 10 priory in 1 fight

vital hound
#

never

#

and even it was necessary

#

im not doing it

upper anvil
#

but the real question is are you dying in a 10

#

is only a 10

pallid bay
#

if im dying to healing im probably leaving honestly

jade flume
#

10s are not easy

upper anvil
wild dune
#

why are u weird

upper anvil
#

but im not weird

#

im just bored and tired of doing this thingy and need the distraction

severe hollow
#

sounds weird

delicate perch
vital hound
delicate perch
#

wed 3am kangaroo time

vital hound
celest rampart
#

Does anyone think a 5 min, 5 target sim could give me any useful insight into mythic plus gearing

#

Or is it just too unrealistic to provide anything useful?

lofty depot
#

its not useful no

delicate perch
vital hound
#

nah i downloaded it

#

then played tropico

delicate perch
potent cargo
#

i spent my weekend playing BL4 using a borrowed steam account and that was fkn miserable such a shit game

#

nobody making good games anymore

quiet drift
#

Real

#

Well no just majority is dogshit slop

#

the all this AI overuse isnt helping

delicate perch
quiet drift
#

The game runs at 30fps? Just 4x frame gen bro

delicate perch
#

ya I was excited for BL4, seen the first day shit and was like nvm

#

wait for it to go on 80% sale in 5 months

quiet drift
#

The seven sea version might remove Denuvo and increase performance as has been the case in some games

potent cargo
#

I paused bl4 to go cook food

#

came back

#

crashed

#

rinse repeat every time I get up to do chores lmao

#

got this shit running a computer that could send a warship to mars just off the compute

#

whats sad to me is that some of the horseshit that comes out from blizzard is so bad that AI couldn't even be responsible

lyric kettle
#

And then it’s just a full wow rip off character wise

potent cargo
#

I dont think I could play just an m+ game, or just a raid game, or just a pvp game

delicate perch
#

ya they took some extreme creative liberties with it KEKLEO

potent cargo
#

think wow's benefit is it's got a bunch of everything

#

like FF barely holds attention since there's no real content outside of raiding

delicate perch
#

it'd only be a seasonal game at best though, log in at season start, smash some content log off till next season

coral shell
#

Quick question. If I kill first boss and 3rd boss in mythic, can I get loot in the vault from Loom?

lofty depot
#

yes

maiden pasture
#

I'm like close to 100% on it

potent cargo
#

It is fun for what it's worth

#

just the constant crashes are fkn annoying

#

although I"m only 45 mins in or so atm

sudden pawn
#

ive never crashed once....

dense steeple
#

I bet youre running some cake pc too

#

Like a ryzen 5 5600x or some shit

burnt pagoda
#

What is the recommended hero talent tree for raiding (single target) in season 3? Icy Veins and wowhead are giving me conflicting information

lofty depot
#

keeper

maiden pasture
#

well

#

94hrs to be exact

potent cargo
#

fuck idk what the issue is

#

maybe its a ryzen problem

dense steeple
#

im seeing people complain with their i9-14700k and 5090s

potent cargo
#

Yeah idk

#

I don't have fps issues or anything

maiden pasture
burnt pagoda
potent cargo
#

3080ti

haughty moon
#

are you guys having to bear alarming trill from first boss of arakara at 15 keys if you don't have barkskin?

#

i kinda die if i don't but then i end up with tank damage on the boss overall

potent cargo
#

healer will cd each of them too

#

the timer should sync right

#

only thing u will need to figure out how to survive is the gosammer but that can just be renewal or frenzied + bear

sudden pawn
#

150fps no frame gen

#

zero crashes....

haughty moon
haughty moon
#

i kinda lose uptime here even with stocking full ap bar

#

that will give me 2 gcds

craggy sonnet
#

like 40s maybe

#

you should not need a cd for the gossamer at that level

#

unless the healer failed to prep

lucid olive
#

everything buttery smooth..

sudden pawn
lucid olive
dense steeple
#

im boutta buy a 9070xt

spark anchor
#

or ur not tracking ur healer cds properly

#

if ur overlapping defensives with healer cds thats ur fault

#

in a 15 u can realistically unbind barkskin

lofty depot
#

Blud thinks I'm tracking healer cds

muted citrus
#

thats not how healer cds work

#

you dont need to worry about mine

#

i see you not having bark and thats when it's my problem

#

sorry i randomly clicked into balance

lofty depot
muted citrus
#

I am here to help whenever

vital hound
#

just cast a single heal

#

innit

muted citrus
muted citrus
#

hii

vital hound
lucid olive
#

We need the variety

muted citrus
#

keen

potent cargo
#

ill invite the nfl discord

#

we can talk ball

lofty depot
#

nfl is cringe

low ocean
frozen spoke
#

does anyone know what's wrong with this guys?

slow relic
#

im curious too and im more about the effect than stats atm just for fun

ionic surge
drifting nova
fossil hemlock
#

It wasn't, you don't get the key from the delve

iron chasm
merry ibex
#

Do you guys think boomkin will change in midnight?

drifting nova
#

it'l become level 90

#

for sure

vital hound
#

i think they'll delete it

wide thorn
#

Hey!
Haven't any1 simmed 7th boss healer trinket activating on every cds?

wicked shuttle
#

That trinket is bis

#

If you regrowth the buff

#

It’s just cringe so we pretend it doesn’t exist

lost violet
#

whats the CD?

wise hare
round field
#

Press regrowth on glowing party frame

gray plank
#

In keys do i wanna dot stuff up before going into eclipse?

maiden pasture
#

yes, follow the prio in the compendium

ebon elm
#

Do we re moonfire the adds on nexus king (m) platforms after the ones from trees expire? Not too sure if its worth without double Moonfire talent

#

To add context, yes they would live for another 10-12 seconds approx

jaunty blaze
#

Go with the vibe you do piss dmg there either way

#

Personally i cba reapplying moonfire

#

Except on the titan

ebon elm
#

Same yea im just vibing, sadly i kinda have to optimize dmg because our group struggles to kill platforms intime 😂 otherwise im chilling hard on this fight

jaunty blaze
#

Idk our Frost dks do triple my dmg there

#

What can you do

ebon elm
#

Our warlocks renamed in details to ‚nerf boomkins‘ 😂

#

I make up the bad add dmg in dmg amp anyways

jaunty blaze
#

Thats the only thing you can do

upper surge
craggy sonnet
jade flume
#

I think dks are at like 10x ggs

jaunty blaze
#

Unforch

jade flume
#

Its fine though, dmg amp is bamkin time to shine

ebon elm
#

dont need to do more than frost dks, just gotta do more than other bamkins 😉

jade flume
#

The most important 30s

jaunty blaze
#

Why do you have more than one

ebon elm
#

i mean those outside my raid too

#

pointing at you mr.

livid jay
jade flume
#

Man i just dropped my lunch on the ground 10cm before my desk

#

Its over

ebon elm
#

you can do more on titan just starfalling and starfiring for sure

#

58 mill seems on the lower end

jade flume
#

Just starsurge if you need toitan dmg

#

But if u dont then starfall theres no hurry as long as u meet dps check

#

You generally dont wanna kill it too fast anyways

ebon elm
#

rip you lunch mate btw

#

F

jade flume
#

F indeed

fossil hemlock
slow relic
ebon elm
#

because generally if you kill a prio target too fast, it means you wasted some potential damage on the other smaller adds

#

if you sstill got time ofc

livid jay
#

yea i was just starfalling but we sometimes have issues and sometimes not if all are alive

jade flume
#

For the burn

livid jay
#

fucking treants bro

#

just realised that they just didnt moonfire the titan

fossil hemlock
jade flume
#

Ok nvm then, i thought it pushes always x time after platforms die

fossil hemlock
livid jay
#

but i swear besided no moonfire on that titan that is just what it is no?

fossil hemlock
#

But I'm glad it doesn't, nobody likes holding dps

jade flume
#

This is better though

#

Yeah for sure

livid jay
#

like im not doing anything mega different than i should

jade flume
#

Bamkin dmg is ass on it

#

Ur there to poipe the boss

ebon elm
#

i prefer doing 2 or 3 single moonfire when we enter platforms, including titan, this way you can make sure everything is moonfired when you pop trees

pallid bay
jade flume
#

Thats what im here for

#

Not even a bamkin anymore

pallid bay
#

I mean you can choose to cd the platform right

#

But you don't cause your damage is more valuable in the amp

fossil hemlock
livid jay
#

we dont even have a dh for prog this week

craggy sonnet
fossil hemlock
#

How does the buff work anyway? Do they just stay up when you start a boss fight or do they get cleared?

#

Not the int buff itself, but the mark

craggy sonnet
#

The marks do get cleared on encounter start

fossil hemlock
#

So you'd have to pre-cast either way

craggy sonnet
#

But you can consume two of them precombat for ~15s of the buff

#

And then swap trinkets

maiden pasture
#

ignore small adds, wrath and surge titan

#

gg

ebon elm
#

@maiden pasture this the tech for higher overall aswell?

maiden pasture
#

i dont know and dont care about higher overall, play for prog on prog. You're also just playing ST talents anyway so its probs not even that much of a gain to starfall

ebon elm
#

so ethical

ionic surge
maiden pasture
#

i hope it was soup and u have to clean it all up

jade flume
#

Nah it was just shicken

ebon elm
#

chicken has been on the ground before in its lifetime, so its fine

ionic surge
#

That applies to 90% of things we eat

craggy sonnet
#

Doesn't invalidate the statement

ionic surge
#

True

hardy panther
#

Best talents for lowkeys ?

devout hazel
#

click into your specs and go guardian for low keys kekw

drifting nova
drifting nova
ionic surge
drifting nova
#

Yes I had one earlier

ionic surge
#

Also why are you hating on my server Kekkers

#

Kazzak is goated

drifting nova
#

It’s 100% of my food today

#

Hahahahha

#

Dogs lot of em

ionic surge
drifting nova
#

Actual square shape circle hole players

ionic surge
drifting nova
#

To think I was going to be a kazzakian not too long ago

#

Would probably some many illegal things to them

vital hound
#

but you're payphoning platforms

#

so it doesnt matter

drifting nova
#

Glad I’m not

ionic surge
drifting nova
#

I bricked a key for kassala last week