just keep in mind that BoaT is not Shadowlands BoaT anymore @inner plover
#balance
inner plover
uncut whale
how do you use skull bash with this? the game wont let me drag the button onto my bar
a /cast Skull Bash macro doesnt work either
leaden birch
???
jaunty blaze
Maybe just maybe because you dont have it
jaunty blaze
Fluid form doesnt give you skull bash
lucid olive
Skull Bash is not available for Balance
It's replaced with the Solar Beam talent in the middle
For the other specs that node is Skull Bash
Because having a human CD interrupt and uncapped AOE is too broken
uncut whale
oh. then why is everyone taking fluid form?
i thought it is so balance druid can have a shorter cd interrupt
lucid olive
Because there aren't better talents in that part of the tree
You can swap it off if you want
uncut whale
... so it just saves you that one button that shifts you into moonkin?
lucid olive
Fluid Form for Balance basically just lets you shift back into Moonkin From with Wrath/Starfire after you go Bear Form for incap roar or to live stuff
jaunty blaze
It saves you a gcd
lucid olive
It saves you a gcd
Not rly it's still a GCD spent
young light
is the tuning on 10 a buff or nerf ? i'm little bit confused
uncut whale
you mean that one gcd where i come back after stampeding roar or incapacitating roar?
lucid olive
And the Wrath/Starfire that shifts you doesn't benefit from Moonkin Form modifier so it does piss damage anyway
lucid olive
is the tuning on 10 a buff or nerf ? i'm little bit confused
Pins
jaunty blaze
I mean yeah its pretty minor either way
lucid olive
In this tree I'd take vigil over fluid form
But lycaras inspiration also not very valuable talent
lofty depot
3% less AOE dam taken, surely that saves me from something
jaunty blaze
Too bad they changed it to change form after the cast
uncut whale
yeah druids are very squishy
lofty depot
I don't miss
humble mauve
has someone sent their current sim and then ptr sim?
or is that what clankz linked?
ancient radish
What makes overlapping CAs the optimal way. How do we gain dps by losing 8 seconds of CA
lofty depot
Because those 8 seconds would else be spent casting wraths
And u gain some int on the buffed surges and little on the cap
ancient radish
Because those 8 seconds would else be spent casting wraths
Does the 4 set instantly trigger when you click the 2nd set of CA
exotic perch
Dont forget our cd also sucks
humble mauve
I think I did something wrong with my sim because I sim for like 5k less with the ptr
jaunty blaze
It does
ancient radish
Oooo that’s lame
lofty depot
I think I did something wrong with my sim because I sim for like 5k less with th...
Did u change the version
Link the sim
jaunty blaze
671 
humble mauve
I've onyl gotten to 80 like yesterday. Was told to swap to boomkin if I wanted a spot in raid
humble mauve
played rsham for 10 years and didn't really alt a dps so I'm still trying to figure out sims
jaunty blaze
I see
normal pilot
i wouldn't worry before you get 4pc
humble mauve
yeah that's what I'm attempting I basically just have full crafted weathered gear
delicate perch
I've onyl gotten to 80 like yesterday. Was told to swap to boomkin if I wanted a...
No one has ever said this in the past few years btw
Wait wait wait
delicate perch
You have a shaman? That could spec ele? And you are FORCED? To play boomkin?
lofty depot
Change ur version next time u sim tho
delicate perch
humble mauve
Change ur version next time u sim tho
Where do I do that?
normal pilot
ya swapping balance for a spot in raid is wild
lofty depot
At the bottom where u change the time
humble mauve
You have a shaman? That could spec ele? And you are FORCED? To play boomkin?
they don't have a motw buff
lofty depot
Also fair warning. When u get new tierset your stat prio changes from mastery / haste to mastery Crit/vers so be on the look out for that.
humble mauve
0 healer spots rl took it
delicate perch
paper ember
That’s what our frost mage told me.. lol
lofty depot
And that's hardest phase
jaunty blaze
Does it
lofty depot
YeayeyayeyYeyywa
swapping
lofty depot
And now it gonna do 5% more
jaunty blaze
Yuh
lofty depot
makes me feel <:Despair:1334153295131840582> swapping
Gotta lock in
Play better than ur raiders, and maybe u do same damage as them
leaden birch
yeah looking at the wcl statistics kinda
that shit don't matter
play what you enjoy
humble mauve
(it wouldn't be boomkin)
lofty depot
What the
humble mauve
but it's actually enjoyable the more I dab into it
there are moments where I feel like if I had gear I'd be popping off especially in m+
jaunty blaze
so true
jaunty blaze
lofty depot
My mage is 10 ilvls lower and Sims the same as my boomkin current
elder remnant
5% of bigger number is bigger number
lofty depot
Gear doesn't fix this dogshit
jaunty blaze
thats what the guys said in discord to me yesterday
but look what the paladins got
it didnt hurt them
yeah...
fathom nebula
The point is to not just have the biggest DPS, its to get your team to the finish line and actually kill the boss.
You see this damage on the Arcane Echo that NEEDS to die, i contributed to that by scuffing my CDs on pull
You see that Intermission damage? We got to get those killed at a good time at the same time and we got it done even if my CDs might not be optimal!
shit ignore that pic wrong post
lofty depot
U just cleave off it
fathom nebula
We had.. issues 😄
humble mauve
I think my guild is currently on the demon hunters
fathom nebula
4 healers, not 3 healers , so we had issues 😄
When i scuffed my CDs it went smoothly and we killed it within a few pulls.
This is my copium 😄
Ignore the tank level damage on boss
jaunty blaze
sure
lofty depot
Double dippy ebon might
fathom nebula
Cause i said that but they said green class (im colorblind but i assume MM hunter)
paper ember
You’ll do more dps but you’ll still be last 
lofty depot
Ebon might increases ur int, there for increasing ur cap
And then the damage of the buffed surges as well
Would have to add the buff to sim to show, but haven't done it
royal zenith
define supposed to
for an aug it's pretty beneficial to buff the highest burst dps spec in their cd window every 2 (or 1.8ish) minute cd
from the goat himself
(fluup)
royal zenith
?
lofty depot
When adding to raidbots
fathom nebula
With and without Ebon Might on Boomies in the first minute
royal zenith
oh dunno
fathom nebula
I did convince him after the break
or he convinced himself by looking at meters on pull
jaunty blaze
i mean if he doesnt even know he does the most burst
royal zenith
also what do your logs matter in this case?
jaunty blaze
thats like the basic preparation
fathom nebula
also what do your logs matter in this case?
Wipe logs, they dont matter at all
lucid olive
there has to be some ebon might value getting lost in logs with the keeper 4pc
fathom nebula
oh im looking at his damage, not mine
lucid olive
just cause of how the dmg is attributed
scenic mist
@lucid olive what's with this
is the new apl not pushed to ptr=1 yet, only live ?
royal zenith
ah like that yeah
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> what's with this
is the new apl not pushed to ptr=1 yet, o...
ye
ptr=1 is the PTR apl and that's the old one
scenic mist
royal zenith
I mean it's still mis-play if he's inconsistent during buff windows
lofty depot
Well from their lair dryad favor doesn't get attributes either fully or correctly
royal zenith
no matter who he's buffing
lofty depot
But idk if that's just the splash or not
royal zenith
but bamkin definitely a good target
lucid olive
I think it might be worse for Prescience attribution or
idk if they changed how that gets attributed on wclogs
scenic mist
ptr=1 is the PTR apl and that's the old one
colored names gatekeeping me from simming new apl + new buffs. noted
royal zenith
There's not any issues known with druid abilities
lucid olive
I can push it to PTR if you want
scenic mist
I can push it to PTR if you want
if it's not a lot of work i'd love you to
eager raft
other then tear and tear open wounds
Hey Deux
lucid olive
if it's not a lot of work i'd love you to
done
royal zenith
hello
lucid olive
should be in a few min i guess
fossil shard
trail heath
Check the pins
frigid goblet
what changed to make this now optimal?
paper ember
Yeah tbf the pin doesnt really say why. Just says you should lol
lofty depot
Why, cuz it sims better
devout hazel
Why, cuz it sims better
im curious, i don't know if you have the info or not, but how much better did this opener sim vs the other one?
lofty depot
My easiest explanation/how I will probably justify it is higher int on my trinket which means a ~5k ish difference on the decay from when we previously pressed CA in sequence. So little higher cap, higher int on the buffed surges, and higher int on the 2nd set of buffed surges aswell
Uhh something like 0.5-1% diffy
dire osprey
paper ember
royal zenith
dunno, think it's normal for things to get optimized as tier goes by
we're in what, week 3?
or is it 4 already
lofty depot
3 I think
fossil hemlock
4
royal zenith
think the new opener was like 38k from what I remember
so yeah 0.5-1% seems correct
lucid olive
im curious, i don't know if you have the info or not, but how much better did th...
depends a bit on your trinket
with araz its like 0.7-1.1% depending on if you play potent enchantments or grove's inspiration in the keeper choice node
with lilly it's like 0.2%
royal zenith
lily 🤮
lucid olive
and with double passive it's basically the same
normal pilot
what about swarm spread + flourish + nexus king prepull swap
frigid goblet
are you still fitting both dryads in the trees window? I thought the point of delaying trees was so that you could do that
jaunty blaze
that is still the same
you cut first ca short so you get trees buff for your empowered surges
lucid olive
are you still fitting both dryads in the trees window? I thought the point of de...
you still do cause you CA right after the convoke
frigid goblet
ahh i see i see ty
lucid olive
you just end your first CA a few seconds earlier
cause apparently CA as a dmg cooldown doesn't matter
jaunty blaze
sad
jaunty blaze
they sure did that
scenic mist
you still do cause you CA right after the convoke
i mean, 2nd dryad's favor is after trees fade
jaunty blaze
but you never got trees for both favors
scenic mist
got me there
but what does this mean then
mmh maybe was about the 2 buffed surges from 1st dryad
frigid goblet
i think i was just wrong thought you did
kind wind
So question y’all. Do you think it’s worth dotting the small adds on mythic forge weaver? It feels like for my guild they die instantly on some sets and for others they are around for quite a while. I’ve been dropping a sunfire on them.
Seems like most of the top logs are split on dotting them at all?
scenic plaza
is anyone using the afenar WA pack and does it track the 4 set for them? I just updated it but can't see anything outside of normal eclipse timer
stiff maple
I recommend the OI wa pack in the compendium
quiet drift
So question y’all. Do you think it’s worth dotting the small adds on mythic forg...
Just do what feels better
Your parse is gonna come down to critting in Damage amp anyways
jade drift
you still do cause you CA right after the convoke
wait what
lofty depot
is anyone using the afenar WA pack and does it track the 4 set for them? I just ...
Use a better pack
OiBalance linked in compendium
ionic surge
First thing I did when I came back to this game was download @pallid bay 's weakaura, i'd rather not play than play boomkin without it
<--- rank 1 glazer
potent vessel
do you get the buffed surges when you hit second incarn? or is it still once the dryad times out?
lofty depot
Yes, the dryad despawns when u press CA again
potent vessel
interesting
strong bronze
so as soon as convoke is finished you CA again and dump?
lofty depot
Yep
devout hazel
we obviously aren't getting both sets of buffed surges into the one trees window right? or am i grossly misunderstanding something
lofty depot
U never did no
drifting nova
wtf is a normal dpi
lofty depot
800 or 1600 depends on game and what ur doing
lofty depot
I don't believe u
jade drift
Yes, the dryad despawns when u press CA again
but, wasnt gamz saying that we should press CA after convoke ends?
lofty depot
U do
ionic oak
the first one
Nah but You get the lil two buffed surges ready to go
jade drift
oh sorry i read it wrong
ionic oak
Test it. Press CA and press it again
jade drift
it despawns as you press CA again ok
i see
then our next 2 buffed surges will be without CA
the second set
lofty depot
No
drifting nova
800 or 1600 depends on game and what ur doing
anything below 2k feels slow holy
ionic oak
Nah. You get the dryad buff before Ca ends
jade drift
hmmm
lofty depot
U will press those surges inside the ca window
ionic oak
Send the two surges before ca ends
undone grove
The idea is to pop your 2nd CA before your first one ends so you bank the 1st two empowered starsurges into the end of your 2nd.
scenic mist
then our next 2 buffed surges will be without CA
dryad despawns on CA repress or after 10sec (and CA normally lasts 12sec, so you have 2sec of leeway at the end of the 2nd CA to send the last 2 buffed surges)
kind wind
Does it count as in your CA if you press starsurge before the CA buff runs out but it hits after CA ends? Like sending a surge in the last .5 of CA?
lofty depot
Counts buffs on cast yes
jade drift
how much dmg gain we looking for that rotation change?
lofty depot
Like 0.5-1%
kind wind
Also curious as to what the reason is for clipping the last 2 seconds of our opening CA after convoke with a new CA is? Wouldn’t it be better to cast 2 wrath’s at the end of that CA to bridge into the next one with more astral power?
lofty depot
2 wraths doesn't make up for the int you gain on surges and the cap I presume
fossil hemlock
The reason is that the sims say it's more damage to say "fuck CA, we love dryads"
craggy sonnet
But it's like 2.7% or something for a 1min window
scenic mist
<:Despair:1281513020702330890>
idk this + recent buff makes it kinda ok
lofty depot
idk this + recent buff makes it kinda ok
lofty depot
Type shit
craggy sonnet
Also curious as to what the reason is for clipping the last 2 seconds of our ope...
It is wasting time during trinket, time during trees that you could instead spend on higher DPE abilities with higher average boat stacks
scenic mist
i dont like you outsimming my fearl so this must be fake news
scenic mist
probably has antenna miss chance set at 0%
lofty depot
Type shit
scenic mist
i know what kind of animal you are
lofty depot
I don't miss
I bait orbs for my CDs, we're not the same
I get on pull and run around for 15s
kind wind
It is wasting time during trinket, time during trees that you could instead spen...
A truly clanker answer. You are appreciated!
craggy sonnet
He is cheating somehow anyways
scenic mist
oh actually i could sim higher with intel enchant on legs instead of agility 
jade drift
I sim higher actually now
i see why
im at 15% haste rn u're at 5%
time to get rid of this shi stat
jaunty blaze
5%
i literally only have haste on set pieces and im at 6,4%
ok i have to use shoulders currently that might be it
round oracle
how long does it take for starsurge to hit the enemy from max range with normal models
modern merlin
It's pretty quick
maiden pasture
how long does it take for starsurge to hit the enemy from max range with normal ...
Why do you care
fathom nebula
The calculations are client side so one of the cool kids have access to it unless someone wants to try it real quick ingame by just shooting a starsurge at a target from max range
jaunty blaze
damage is calculated on cast
maiden pasture
Damage is calculated on cast
jaunty blaze
range doesnt matter
maiden pasture
Not on hit
scenic mist
Why do you care
prepull tech maybe
fathom nebula
Getting aggro is calculated on hit tho 😄
maiden pasture
That won't stop me slamming a surge and insta dotting cause it fell off acting like it matters
jaunty blaze
when was the last time you got aggro in raid
maiden pasture
when was the last time you got aggro in raid
Hyenas.....
jaunty blaze
true true
fathom nebula
@round oracle Roughly 1 second
The scientific method i used was by standing infront of a dummy at exactly 45 yard range
Press Starsurge at the exact same time i started the timer and i pressed the timer when it hit
Or ask one of the cool kids or check with wow.tools
round oracle
okay
maiden pasture
Useless info tho
round oracle
thanks for your useful comment
fathom nebula
Useless info tho
You doubting my amazing scientific method, thats at least a 5 sigma result
scenic mist
thanks for your useful comment
i mean
what are you trying to determine by getting the time between press and damag on the surge ?
lofty depot
I'm gonna do the legion ice lance tech and run at the boss
scenic mist
I'm gonna do the legion ice lance tech and run at the boss
dont laugh we did hours of that on the ptr belameth dummy
lofty depot
Yeyeyeyeyeyayeyay
lofty depot
Gotta convoke on the edge of range to bait the heals then get surges while running at the dummy
Surely I'll get 3
scenic mist
lmao i got ptsd of gamz running away from the dummy, respeccing, comming back, trying again
sick terrace
correct me if i get it wrong but for now we have 2 differents "burst timeline" if double CA or not ?
lofty depot
Yep
scenic mist
correct me if i get it wrong but for now we have 2 differents "burst timeline" i...
you are indeed right
sick terrace
jesus
scenic mist
but the only change is "do i tree before CA+AP dump or after CA+AP dump"
surely you can manage
ionic surge
Lock in
thats bs
when i left we didnt have double ca
AT MOST ITS BEEN ONE YEAR
wait holy shit @jolly delta is green name now ? look at my boy
lofty depot
Yea "balance expert"
lofty depot
AT MOST ITS BEEN ONE YEAR
This is the 1st year and in 3 months it'll be the 2nd year
ionic surge
so you're wrong
scenic mist
This is the 1st year and in 3 months it'll be the 2nd year
arent we already in the 2nd year ?
like whirling is TWW launch right ?
lofty depot
We didn't do double CA stuff til mow
scenic mist
oh that's what you meant
lucid olive
hail of stars, crashing star, cosmos rework and communion rework was the same patch
lofty depot
Love our "reworks"
drifting nova
still never used cosmos
cosmos and the other funny proc wouldve been cool
playing literally anything else with a proc is big dopamine
meanwhile balance is chicken frenzy
lofty depot
Need to get the casual experience on next moonkin monthly, invite kekkers
maiden pasture
The great cleansing of pulsar
lofty depot
"great"
scenic mist
The great cleansing of pulsar
moonkin equivalent of order 66
scenic mist
i never did
pulsar was the one single thing that made us look like an actual spec
with all it's bad sides it was still the best thing we had
dont bite the hand that feeds you
see the results
of your hate campaign
maiden pasture
I mean as everyone says the removal of pulsar wasn't the issue, the removing of pulsar with the promise of getting something else and the not getting anything
That's the issue
ionic surge
We all complained about pulsar
smart people (me) didnt
scenic mist
well, tehcnically the something else was whirling
we went from ~50% incarn uptime to what, like 15% ?
warm briar
Even better is looking at that chart for m+ parses and seeing boomkin in the lower half of the chart and still catching stray nerfs is hilarious.
lofty depot
we went from ~50% incarn uptime to what, like 15% ?
"yea but its more powerful now"
scenic mist
Even better is looking at that chart for m+ parses and seeing boomkin in the low...
where nerf
scenic mist
"yea but its more powerful now"
L-M-A-O
lofty depot
Even better is looking at that chart for m+ parses and seeing boomkin in the low...
good fuck minigamers
maiden pasture
Even better is looking at that chart for m+ parses and seeing boomkin in the low...
It was a buff 😭
scenic mist
good fuck minigamers
- M+ was actually buffed too
lofty depot
yea fuckem
scenic mist
minigamers just dont read i guess
just complaining and spamming starfire
what a life
maiden pasture
No surprise
sudden pawn
maiden pasture
They're used to bashing their head against a wall all day
quiet drift
well, tehcnically the something else was whirling
Imagine a builder spender spec
Had an incentive to build and spend
lofty depot
scenic mist
<:VerySadCat:845090284231458817>
why u do dis
maiden pasture
Just turn us into fire mage, in incarn wraths and Starfires are instant, and you reduce CD by spending
lofty depot
Had an incentive to build and spend
cant have it cuz firemage does it :/
ionic surge
good point, delete mage
scenic mist
cant have it cuz firemage does it :/
they said the same about our blink
ionic surge
has been broken for far too long
scenic mist
and then gave one to evokers
warm briar
Just turn us into fire mage, in incarn wraths and Starfires are instant, and you...
They’d never do that because of PvP. Too much brainpower to balance separately
lofty depot
yea but evokers arent druids
maiden pasture
good point, delete mage
You may have just come back, but you're not this dumb
lofty depot
tell that to whirling
ionic surge
You may have just come back, but you're not this dumb
i've had it for mages since vanilla
lofty depot
where i see every day random boomkins sending CA at 120 and not holding til 2m
maiden pasture
Complaining about mage balance is like just a rookie mistake
ionic surge
its time someone put a bullet through the dev's head
warm briar
Tf lol
ionic surge
(in game)
maiden pasture
where i see every day random boomkins sending CA at 120 and not holding til 2m
Me when 120 is 2min
daring gull
wait you guys dont press CA the second its available?
maiden pasture
scenic mist
are you in this i cant tell
scenic mist
daring gull
the dev for our spec cant be an idiot if they dont exist
ionic surge
wait till you see what I think about warlocks
jagged stirrup
hey tchat does the buff were getting is shit
lofty depot
the dev for our spec cant be an idiot if they dont exist
u saying blizzord doesnt employ janitors anymore?
maiden pasture
hey tchat does the buff were getting is shit
This isn't a real sentence
warm briar
I mean it’s clear warlocks have a dev since they have 2 viable specs and had a third until blizzard nerfed aff because soul hunters
jagged stirrup
This isn't a real sentence
what do you mean sorry my english is bad
maiden pasture
We are getting a decent buff but it doesn't fix the specs problems
maiden pasture
It's not a bad buff, and it's the best they could realistically do
lofty depot
I mean it’s clear warlocks have a dev since they have 2 viable specs and had a t...
aff is still giga
jagged stirrup
We are getting a decent buff but it doesn't fix the specs problems
yes and what do you think were missing on our specs
like real cleave ?
lofty depot
yes and what do you think were missing on our specs
go watch moonkin monthly
maiden pasture
yes and what do you think were missing on our specs
The ability to target swap, on demand aoe
warm briar
They’ll never give us on demand aoe until they gut or redesign starfall
wet cloud
rework balance (Again) and also rework guardian, it's so ass
jagged stirrup
i mean for pumping on fast die target we just cant xdz
jagged stirrup
who is the dev who is in charging on the balance spec ?
maiden pasture
Put a choice node on AK, stellar drift that does real damage on a 30 second cooldown
Boom
lofty depot
he is nameless
daring gull
u saying blizzord doesnt employ janitors anymore?
i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt
daring gull
microsoft a buncha cheap fucks
lofty depot
as he should be
jagged stirrup
he is nameless
like all dev class ?
mighty mica
majority of the devs chose to remain nameless
maiden pasture
Devs being nameless is good
warm briar
Hopefully alpha launches this week and boomkin gets giga fixed 
maiden pasture
Unless you get it perfect you will be just flamed on CD
jagged stirrup
Devs being nameless is good
nah theyre doing so much bs over all class
wet cloud
They’ll never give us on demand aoe until they gut or redesign starfall
make fury of elune apply moonfire to all targets hit/extend current, sunfire unchanged
jagged stirrup
like they have so much data and we still have so much diff dps for all class
lofty depot
they ignore data
jagged stirrup
i dont get it maybe if dumb too but i dont understand why
maiden pasture
Finding out the name of the dev will only cause hate to be thrown their way, they're not trying to be shit
lofty depot
they hate ur data
maiden pasture
It's dumb to want to know the devs name just to go flame them
wet cloud
Hopefully alpha launches this week and boomkin gets giga fixed <:moonkacopium:85...
new apex talent: Bigger Moon button (never used, spent on other talents, never buffed)
lofty depot
copium pulsar
wet cloud
what if they gave us fucking hurricane back so we have 2 aoes to do and dot spam
maiden pasture
Pulsar apex talent would be the ultimate cope
jagged stirrup
It's dumb to want to know the devs name just to go flame them
nah for real if i have the possibility for arguing whit dev i will only ask question flaming is no needing and that dumb
mighty mica
we used to know of the druid dev, but they stepped down a while back
wet cloud
pulsar is cope I cannot stress how they won't do that
lofty depot
pulsar wiht keeper tier would be such a vibe
mighty mica
realz is, afaik, the only one that's still known as a dev
maiden pasture
realz is, afaik, the only one that's still known as a dev
Didn't the DK dev used to pop into their discord aswell
jagged stirrup
does the feral spec is still boring to play ?
lofty depot
think the spr dev
lofty depot
feral dev in the discord too
maiden pasture
They're literally all shit
lofty depot
watch out
jagged stirrup
when i have the time i play pal ret is fun and chill to play but feral ... bruh
mighty mica
@terse egret
normal pilot
discord isn't really a good place for wow feedback anyways
jagged stirrup
i know
normal pilot
it's not kek
jagged stirrup
like the wowforums are
real
normal pilot
the forum goers are the real customers they want
mighty mica
genuinely better than discord
jagged stirrup
and if you say something bad your muted or something like that
mighty mica
even if it's marginal
jagged stirrup
and i will not talking about the vip guys
normal pilot
ppl on discord tend to be ppl unhappy they're paying money for the wrong product
jagged stirrup
lmao
lofty depot
ive sad many bad things and not got muted
normal pilot
you want some tightly tuned competitive product but that's not what blizzard is making
jagged stirrup
same but i see to much bs of those ppl
wet cloud
what if they gave us dreamcatcher, that would be good but so mid as an apex
daring gull
blizzard notorious for asking for feedback and just completely fucking ignoring it
lofty depot
the fuck is dreamcatcher
sudden pawn
old rattle from legion
jagged stirrup
you want some tightly tuned competitive product but that's not what blizzard is ...
yes they have the biggest potiential game ever but they are only greedy for money fast like capitalism
lul
wet cloud
normal pilot
it's only greedy if you pay for it
lofty depot
sir
daring gull
i miss dreamcatcher
lofty depot
when we refer to legendaries its ED, IFE, OI, and Lotc
jagged stirrup
it's only greedy if you pay for it
we all cow you know
wet cloud
lmao
daring gull
its clearly bis
lofty depot
and yes, they should remove eclipse and make rattle the maintenance buff
normal pilot
just get ED + IFE as your first 2 drops
lofty depot
GOD BRING ME BACK
lofty depot
HOW ABOUT REMOVE IT
quiet drift
well Idk
quiet drift
Rattle still kinda stank
storm frigate
we still glooming?
lofty depot
im on fractilly getting pushed back and then out of eclispe and then have to move
quiet drift
getting shafted for not perma spending
felt kinda bad
but I think thats just a question of APgen
jade drift
HOW ABOUT REMOVE IT
I dont like eclipse and our mastery tbh
lofty depot
so now im out of eclipse for like 5 seconds cuz i have to move then get into eclipse
lofty depot
we generate a lot of asp
so it would be fine
the problem isnt that tho, "we gotta make it less hard"
sudden pawn
old dreamcatcher would be sick rn, 3% haste in keeper
lofty depot
so we remove it
sudden pawn
not bad
quiet drift
the problem isnt that tho, "we gotta make it less hard"
I stg
lofty depot
rattle prog on rasz was peak fun
storm frigate
"Elune’s Chosen: Fixed an issue with the Ornaments of the Mother Eagle (4) Set Bonus that frequently prevented the set’s Starsurges from splitting to nearby targets." when did this get fixed? and does it amount to anything?
quiet drift
Removing Eclipses would make the class easier
maiden pasture
Rattle and starlord maintaining was good
quiet drift
feels like half the questions here are "what eclipse I should be in"
lofty depot
"Elune’s Chosen: Fixed an issue with the Ornaments of the Mother Eagle (4) Set B...
2 weeks ago
maiden pasture
Rasz prog was fucking shit
quiet drift
or why isnt Solar eclipse working
scenic mist
Rattle and starlord maintaining was good
?
lofty depot
was like 1% inc
jagged stirrup
so now im out of eclipse for like 5 seconds cuz i have to move then get into ecl...
yes were tower spec and need to bear + cd when we get big dammage or we die lmao
storm frigate
dang it
maiden pasture
Me when I triple spend and then go all the way to max asp and drop rattle
It wasn't hard don't get me wrong
But it was at least something
But then rasz was just the worst fight ever spending at best 50% of P1 in moonkin form
maiden pasture
The one saving grace was starfall proccing pulsar shifting you into moonkin form
@quiet drift how you enjoying nexus king as moonkin?
lofty depot
maiden pasture
How hard is it to live without perma bear
lofty depot
lofty depot
LOCK ME IN
quiet drift
lofty depot
m+ log or
quiet drift
Last night nexus king
lofty depot
kill me
quiet drift
feel like half of those
scenic mist
a night or a pull ?
quiet drift
was me miss timing the intermission dmg hit
quiet drift
a night or a pull ?
night
pressing bear 65 times and it being 2.15%
would require some cancelform macro
scenic mist
just mangle
lofty depot
growl
scenic mist
growl
pretty sure this is fake
woudve accepted blind tho
eventhough it's technically not "fluid form"
trail hinge
uhh shift + 3
shift +3 is sunfire wym
jaunty blaze
lofty depot
is 100% not sunfire
jaunty blaze
why is a button you press that often on shift
maiden pasture
I assume nexus
trail hinge
1 wrath
2 surge
3 starfire
s1 moonfire
s2 starfall
s3 sunfure
c1 trees
c2 CA
c3 convoke
all my utility and defensives are bound to side mouse buttons
jaunty blaze
seems inconvenient but its all preference anyway
lofty depot
yea feel free to change like everything but 1-3
trail hinge
lmao
I have a strong pinky I guess
3 mouse buttons
front is cat form
s front is mount
ctrl front is bear
(i use fluid to get back into moonkin)
middle click is beam
s middle is typhoon
c middle is vortex
alt middle is incap roat
back is bark
shift back is renewal
ctrl back is pot
alt back is lockrock
also front hovering over a player
front cleanse
s front innervate
ctrl front battle rez
i think thats everything thats bound in 6 buttons + modifiers
jolly delta
Yea "balance expert"
lofty depot
Vinter making the planner, it has been opened so often recently
jaunty blaze
what keyboard is that even
jolly delta
Vinter making the planner, it has been opened so often recently
was that sarcastic or
i actually see people using it
pearl linden
Naa I’ve got some wack settings
My gaming mouse buttons are the num pad buttons
So it frees up 1-5 on the keyboard
lofty depot
was that sarcastic or
No I genuinely use it every day
lucid olive
i actually see people using it
check tettles latest video
used it on moonkin monthly and linked to it in description
plucky anvil
Hey ! I see that everyone on mono raid bosses cast very very close both alignment, wouldnt it be worth to wait for another Force of nature to cast the 2nd one ?
Idk if thats clear haha
boreal brook
Hey ! I see that everyone on mono raid bosses cast very very close both alignmen...
You use the second CA to make your first 2 empowered surges get BoaT value while also in CA with trees
The idea being you care about the high crit for the first 2 surges more than having trees for the second set of surges
plucky anvil
Ohhh i see so you stack the 2 big surges in the next alignment
boreal brook
Yeah
obsidian tapir
should you used your 4th CA togheter with your 5th like on pull ?
jolly delta
check tettles latest video
Based, glad to hear that
I'm still planning to add stuff I promise
strange edge
should you used your 4th CA togheter with your 5th like on pull ?
Typically that's how the timers are working.
obsidian tapir
Typically that's how the timers are working.
I have like 30 sec left on my ca
until they all togheter
obsidian tapir
on loomi
strange edge
Myth?
obsidian tapir
y
strange edge
I just progged it minorly yesterday and what I saw was having them both up again for when she comes down.
obsidian tapir
for me when she comes down I still have 40 sec on ca
lofty depot
U hold ur 4th ca
obsidian tapir
U hold ur 4th ca
ty so much sir
lofty depot
And then depends on if the fight is long or not
U could send 1 at 4m then double at 6m
With pot
obsidian tapir
dunno if loomi does survive more then 6 I think
obsidian tapir
hmm
obsidian tapir
So u could also hold til 5m
ty makes me very confused everything with the ca's :)) but I will see thanks again
tender elbow
wait lads, how is it only +4.7% buff, shouldn't it be 5%? (it might not seem like a lot but that 0.3% is weird
gentle scroll
shoots and ladders
lofty depot
When they add 5% to the aura it isn't usually said round
Sometimes u get more, like the original 8% we got
The original numby was 1.27
And u get rounded down to 1.33
jaunty blaze
jaunty blaze
why did we not get 6 then
lofty depot
Cuz get fucked
jaunty blaze
understandable
tender elbow
If u got 6% would've been rounded up to 6.3
ty
jade drift
wait lads, how is it only +4.7% buff, shouldn't it be 5%? (it might not seem lik...
greedy fucks already have MM at the top
strong bronze
And BM got more tuning in a recent hotfix , bm single target might be number 1
jade drift
Cuz get fucked
a guildie said if a class starts at the bottom he will not be saved at that patch
and thats fucking true fr
strong bronze
jade drift
https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-class-tuning-additional-dark-ranger-adjustment...
they gave em MORE BUFFS?
strong bronze
Yup
Actually thry also bug fixed bm hunter so instead of an 11.5% increase its only 8% in st
lofty depot
No
They lowered their St buff yea
Still bigger buff than ours 😭
Still at the bottom
jaunty blaze
deserved surely
maiden pasture
Who cares about buffs, rework pls
lofty depot
Yea yea midnight rework surely
strong bronze
They wouldnt even know where to begin with
jaunty blaze
surely
lofty depot
Or IFE apex talent yehayeya
covert coyote
rework #14 surely going to be the good one where they fix everything
lofty depot
Unless they remove eclipse, it ain't a rework
crimson depot
its crazy how specs these days are an amalgamation of every tier set, anima power, legendary and shit and its somehow boomkin still boring af
lofty depot
They can call it w.e. they want, it's not a rework
lofty depot
its crazy how specs these days are an amalgamation of every tier set, anima powe...
That's because all the good tiersets and legendaries boomkin used to have, have been gutted or removed and still exist on other specs
hasty shard
What if they went hard on a rework. What if they decide that mass aoe isn't the way to go and instead turn Balance into a hard prio funnel spec like Arcane. Would any of you like it.
lofty depot
If it was fun surr
sly wadi
I play boomie for starfall, but my opinion is inconsequential. Been my favorite ability in the Warcraft universe since WC3
dry compass
starfall is the quintissential boomkin flavour ability
if you want a funnel class go play one of the existing funnel classes
covert coyote
tettles made a good point in his last vid, starfall's at a point where it's about to be not worth to press over starfire in aoe
dry compass
that's a tuning problem not a design problem
crimson depot
make it an aoe nuke not an over time thing maybe
lofty depot
tettles made a good point in his last vid, starfall's at a point where it's abou...
Have to press it so u can press more starfires
covert coyote
make it an aoe nuke not an over time thing maybe
make full moon a spender, 50asp big instant aoe dam
dry compass
you could move 20% of starfire's damage into starfall, but then your single target will be dogshit because starsurge hits like a wet noodle
dry compass
make full moon a spender, 50asp big instant aoe dam
I've thought full moon might be fun as an empower spell
3 levels, get new/half/full moon based on empower level
quiet drift
Doesnt fix any of our issues
hasty shard
They'd have to get rid of the builder being the big dmg for it.
dry compass
well no, that's totally independent of the broader class issues
just imo a better model than the rotating single-slot spell
hasty shard
I just want big Moons and I want them often.
And I want more prio dmg. rather than dot shit up while everyone else is blowing cds.
dry compass
gotta give us the animation back first before that gets the dopamine going
lofty depot
U can play moons currently
hasty shard
Then we blow ours after everyone elses is over.
You can play moons now and be doing it wrong and be shit, sure.
crimson depot
only times moons was fun was when u could proc like 3 moons from convoke
lofty depot
U just don't play moons cuz who the fuck wants to cast that shit
hasty shard
Exactly. Because you're too busy casting Starfire and feeling bad about casting Starfall.
Get rid of some of the passive or rando dmg junk and put full moons on instant procs.
lofty depot
Full moon does have an instant proc
hasty shard
Will I have 3 fairy dragons out this time? Or will I have none?
hasty shard
Full moon does have an instant proc
I'm not talking about some lame one from Orbit breaker or Convoke
I'm talking about something that can become part of the core rotation
Sure, seeing one from Convoke is nice. For 2 seconds. Then the good feels go away.
But it's just a greedy want. Nothing more.
jade drift
Who cares about buffs, rework pls
if they dont say anything about a rework at the midnight class changes
its jover
upper anvil
Get ready for disappointment
hasty shard
It's over for what or whom?
lyric fog
What do you guys think about https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=242398/naazindhris-mystic-lash?bonus=4795&class=11&hero=24&ilvl=723&spec=102 for m+?
It somehow sounds good
lofty depot
Go try it out and see
digital berry
i assume if it was good it would be higher tier in the compendium
barren carbon
How much dps gain from the new opener roughly?
tacit oriole
Like 1%
digital berry
.5-1% was the number floating
jaunty blaze
depends if you have araz trinket or not
barren carbon
Yuge
lofty depot
Well ig it's like 2.7% more on opener, but 1% overall
faint yacht
How much dps gain from the new opener roughly?
What is the new opener? Can you describe it quickly?
lofty depot
Read the pin
flint leaf
Do i dump all star surge then press CA or right after convoke CA again then dump all my starsurges?
jaunty blaze
you can just read the pin
digital berry
its in the pins
barren carbon
What is the new opener? Can you describe it quickly?
The compendium has a graphic 🙂
lofty depot
Or the compendium
faint yacht
The compendium has a graphic 🙂
Ty I’ll do it now
sly wadi
is the theory behind the new opener to hit the dryad cap more consistently?
or is it just a case of "sim said so"?
barren carbon
Gamz said so
digital berry
dryad cap is hit very easily
jaunty blaze
convoke fills the cap by itself
sly wadi
So then what benefits does moving treants do? I thought the theory was that with the order we did it before, your treant buff would overlap the juiced Dryad Starsurges. Was I wrong on that assumption?
digital berry
you were not
trail hinge
Is it time to get a new belt? When are those nerfs hitting
digital berry
its just not relevant anymore
lofty depot
is the theory behind the new opener to hit the dryad cap more consistently?
U hit the cap regardless
jaunty blaze
Is it time to get a new belt? When are those nerfs hitting
a few weeks out still
lofty depot
Convoke is double the damage of cap
barren carbon
Do we value haste a tiny bit more to make sure we fit the third and fourth 4-set charges?
digital berry
since your new opener uses ca rght after convoke and using ca pops the dryad
lofty depot
Do we value haste a tiny bit more to make sure we fit the third and fourth 4-set...
Has no effect on that
digital berry
haste is not cdr
barren carbon
Has no effect on that
Ok cool
I meant to get the globals out more quickly
But makes sense
sly wadi
Then I suppose I'll ask the question again: why does moving treants give us a damage boost? I'm trying to get a grasp of the "why". I'll do it regardless, but just curious
maiden pasture
So then what benefits does moving treants do? I thought the theory was that with...
Your treeants still do here, this allows more boat for your convoke and you cancel the first CA with second to still get dryad surges in the trees window (and earlier in forge aswel)
lofty depot
Then I suppose I'll ask the question again: why does moving treants give us a da...
Has more to do with ur trinket
jaunty blaze
Then I suppose I'll ask the question again: why does moving treants give us a da...
to my understanding the idea is more boat value and trinket value
maiden pasture
It helps get more forge and boat
jaunty blaze
condensing the sequence also makes your second dryads cap bigger
sly wadi
i see, ty ty
lofty depot
Forge decays int, so if u don't press CA for 5s ur losing like 5-6k int
Both increases the cap a little and increases ur buffed surges on the back end
jaunty blaze
and since you cut the ca short you want to press trees before ca to not have a bad global inside ca
sly wadi
gotcha, that explains the more muted effect without trinket. appreciate you humoring an ape like me
lofty depot
Funny coming from the parrot
trail hinge
hasty shard
Sweet Christmas
violet orbit
okay, im no boomie expert, just wanted a 2nd opinion about running hotw and all catweave related talents to catweave once/twice per fight only during hotw window. idk if its even feasible tbh, but i couldnt find anything tbh
barren carbon
Tookie tookie
Good reference. Great movie
digital berry
okay, im no boomie expert, just wanted a 2nd opinion about running hotw and all ...
huh
violet orbit
would it realistically be a dps gain to use hotw after your opener
like
after you did the whole 2 alignments etc
pallid bay
no
paper ember
Am I being rage baited right now?
violet orbit
no im actually curious if it would be a dps gain or not
instead of the "conserve" phase basically
where you have no treants
or pretty much nothing going on
trail hinge
no no save your convoke for hotw, you hit 4pc cap anyways
limpid grotto
Buffs go live this upcoming reset right
trail hinge
ca ca hotw cat convoke
jaunty blaze
dry compass
What do you guys think about https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=242398/naazindhr...
its utter dogshit do not use
hasty shard
They just doubled down on Beast Mastery buffs for reset. What on earth are they thinking.
jaunty blaze
Buffs go live this upcoming reset right
yes
violet orbit
okay now im feeling like one of those mages that come to altered time with dumb builds
but im honestly curious
lofty depot
okay, im no boomie expert, just wanted a 2nd opinion about running hotw and all ...
Why r we catweaving
violet orbit
if it ever was simmed/implemented into the apl
lofty depot
They just doubled down on Beast Mastery buffs for reset. What on earth are they ...
They lowered it
violet orbit
mmm okay so its entirely a dps loss even by taking all the catweave related talents and do it only during hotw window
?
lofty depot
Was 10% from 6%, now 8%
trail hinge
They lowered it
no the echoed pain thing got a huge buff didnt it?
lofty depot
That's AOE but sure
violet orbit
obviously i just randomly dropped some stuff like probably renewal shouldnt be dropped tbh
lofty depot
Think they're playing. Pack leader in AOE regardless
trail hinge
lofty depot
Yes
sly wadi
DR BM was so bad I don't even know if these buffs will make it playable
lofty depot
Well unforch every class has all their specs better than boomkin
trail hinge
fair enough
lofty depot
5% in 11.2.5 surely
sly wadi
nah, lets not be doomers, DR BM was multple 10's of % behind everything else. Boomie may be in a rough patch, but it isn't that bad
sly wadi
go see how many people run DR BM on warcraft logs, any difficulty, and you'll see your answer. The basement can always go lower
lofty depot
nah, lets not be doomers, DR BM was multple 10's of % behind everything else. Bo...
Boomkin is the worst it's ever been on a fight blizzard thinks is our niche
But go off
jaunty blaze
true gamer
trail hinge
wait that plexus kill has 3 pi's
jaunty blaze
even got 3 pi
xd
other guy got 4 on soulbinder but cant beat the man himself
ah wait no its the same one
barren carbon
Boomkin is the worst it's ever been on a fight blizzard thinks is our niche
Being this bad at soul hunters is so weird. We should be living for that fight
trail hinge
there are 116 dr bm heroic kills tho
jade drift
Being this bad at soul hunters is so weird. We should be living for that fight
its not weird, our hero talent bring us little power and our tier set isnt the best
trail hinge
Being this bad at soul hunters is so weird. We should be living for that fight
dude, im raiding with the same guild i did council of dreams with an our ele shaman who was consistently second place is shitting on me verbal and on the meters for being dogshit at that fight
jade drift
im comparing boomkins HT to others like sunfury, aldrachi or farseer
we are so fucked up
lofty depot
Starfall is ass, everyone thinks it's op. Its not
Our builder does more than our spender
barren carbon
Non boomies still are shocked that Starfire beats starfall in dungeons
jaunty blaze
its actually funny how ppl still think starfall does anything
barren carbon
Almost every key someone comments on it
jade drift
make starfall passive, when you dot sunfire + moonfire it just keep hitting the target until dots expire
it buffs our ST and AOE at the same time
Poggers?
barren carbon
"starfall go brr"
No, no it doesn't
barren carbon
make starfall passive, when you dot sunfire + moonfire it just keep hitting the ...
Isn't that what shooting stars does?
jade drift
make starfall passive, when you dot sunfire + moonfire it just keep hitting the ...
also remove currently eclipse system
jade drift
Isn't that what shooting stars does?
fr
trail hinge
Balance druids best soul hunters parse isnt in the top 500 parses. (its #687, pop off Dwilkz)
lucid olive
keep in mind a lot of the good moonkins are playing feral
vale latch
While playing KOTG, do i want to be casting starsurge pretty much everytime i have enough asrtal power for it or only cast it if im about to cap on astral power/ get a insta starsurge proc?
lucid olive
While playing KOTG, do i want to be casting starsurge pretty much everytime i ha...
read Compendium guide in channel description and pinned messages
trail hinge
keep in mind a lot of the good moonkins are playing feral
Feral druids best soul hunters parse isnt in the top 500 parses. (its #564, pop off Elviira)
lofty depot
A lot of good moonkins aren't playing druid
lucid olive
Feral druids best soul hunters parse isnt in the top 500 parses. (its #564, pop ...
yes its a 20 pull boss neither spec is particularly good at
lofty depot
This is actually the lowest boomkin number of parses against the total by % has been in a while
barren carbon
P sure dwilkz is playing spriest for prog
trail hinge
This is actually the lowest boomkin number of parses against the total by % has ...
well yea when you open the chart of "classes I could play" and it looks like this
barren carbon
What if we collectively just pressed our buttons harder?
sly wadi
that mm variance still boggles the mind
lofty depot
Not sure if Ive seen seen anyone say they enjoy this iteration
I enjoy it 🙂
I don't enjoy being next to 20 parsers but nonetheless
barren carbon
I don't enjoy being next to 20 parsers but nonetheless
Real
lofty depot
well yea when you open the chart of "classes I could play" and it looks like thi...
In undermine all of 11.1 we were roughly 6.6% of the parses, right now we're 3.9% of mythic parses
quiet drift
I enjoy it 🙂
👍
sly wadi
i also enjoy my boomie even if the numbers are rough
celest rampart
worth keeping a tracker on gathering moonlight for FOE in mythic plus
trail hinge
In undermine all of 11.1 we were roughly 6.6% of the parses, right now we're 3.9...
you could round it to 4!
celest rampart
or is it really not
lofty depot
I didn't round 6.6% to 7 so no
trail hinge
3.97%
celest rampart
also its gathering moonlight tier set bonus?
lofty depot
Yes
Umm u can track it cuz if it's about to drop u want to press foe
But really it's just send foe on CD type thing
celest rampart
do I hold foe if its up till its about to finish
lofty depot
U don't hold foe
celest rampart
ok
exotic perch
foe is on cd
celest rampart
ok ty
vale latch
So does this mean, to spam wrath until youre about to cap and then fully blast out star surges until you have 0 astral power left? (if you are at 3 stacks of starlord)?
or does it mean to use one starsurge and then wrath again then star surge then wrath the starsurge
jaunty blaze
how do you read that as dumping astral power
trail hinge
could also round LOU to 7, as 6.98%
and NP was 5.56%
lofty depot
If ur at 3 starlord u don't dump asp no
lofty depot
U can use a surge, but there's no reason to full dump
trail hinge
so were at around half of last season and a bit less than the season before
vale latch
U can use a surge, but there's no reason to full dump
Appreciate the straight forward answer rather than mike over here asking "how i read it as dumping astral power"
jaunty blaze
