balance

[vale pebble]

way worse bro

[delicate perch]

[crisp badger]

CE, M+

[vale pebble]

bro

[crisp badger]

not rwf

[vale pebble]

the biggest

[crisp badger]

or mdi

[jade flume]

[crisp badger]

or anything like that

[vale pebble]

ragebait goats are all na

cbzrifle

https://tenor.com/view/oh-allah-cat-oh-allah-based-gif-21846512

[delicate perch]

ya he was heading there for me so I was shocked

[vale pebble]

someone needs to find him

[delicate perch]

eu usually has brain

[lyric kettle]

i agree ce is easy even @delicate perch has it!!!

[vale pebble]

[delicate perch]

if I can do it and you can't, consider not trying anymore

[tulip snow]

I assume everyone is NA here lmfao

[vale pebble]

yea ur wrong

[meager storm]

At 6 am

Brother man

[delicate perch]

@vital hound wtf

[lyric kettle]

this should be a slogan for some low tier guilds ong

[vital hound]

the fact that @delicate perch can get title andCE

[vale pebble]

its ok ur new

[vital hound]

proves the game

is fucking easy

[crisp badger]

its crazy that thinking other games are harder than wow can cause such an insane stir up here

[placid olive]

3:27 here lol

[delicate perch]

kinda real tbh

just don't be shit

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-monkey-listening-monkey-speech-bubble-dumb-lion-lion-yelling-gif-977388511909412427

[obsidian jetty]

it's crazy you're still trying to ragebait

[vital hound]

purple logged as hekili feral last week btw

[obsidian jetty]

no one biting dog

[rich jewel]

ok poop is over back to work

[vale pebble]

🧑‍🌾

[meager storm]

[crisp badger]

except im not

im just kinda shocked tbh

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/ana-bear-skippy-jones-gif-11549860316459091706

u writing that

[crisp badger]

like thinking other games is harder means you have no brain apparently

[obsidian jetty]

you just have a hard time comprehending any experience that isn't your own, so I'm not surprised

[crisp badger]

another assumption

lmao

i didn't even say it wouldn't be hard for others

[obsidian jetty]

assumption? I've seen it in full force for like 15m

[crisp badger]

i literally said thsi is my opinion

[vital hound]

does he think wow is hard or easy

wth

[crisp badger]

and i made my point about why i think its harder for me

[royal zenith]

only if you think he is sheep

[lyric kettle]

both

🧠

[obsidian jetty]

you were confused how ppl would like getting CE, or feel rewarded, it was explained, you deny'd the explanation, started an argument about difficulty in other games, then just sat here shocked ppl would disagree with you

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/plants-vs-zombies-gif-26215446

[crisp badger]

when did i deny it

[delicate perch]

lol

that's bait

[obsidian jetty]

gg

[crisp badger]

no seriously

please

[vital hound]

[crisp badger]

when did i deny it?

i might've said like i don't udnerstand it

but i never said it's not true

[royal zenith]

.

[crisp badger]

how is taht denial

[royal zenith]

[crisp badger]

tahts a literal personal opinion

i dont find CE prestigious

problem?

[lyric kettle]

do u have ce

out of curiosity

[obsidian jetty]

either trolling or just obtuse, either way, not worth any effort

[crisp badger]

on alts yea

[royal zenith]

not this tier!

[vale pebble]

Scroll up

[crisp badger]

from previous expacs

[lyric kettle]

buyer

[meager storm]

If u need ce just let me know my guild does sales

[crisp badger]

this is what i mean lol

[vale pebble]

Hes eu bro hands off

[meager storm]

[crisp badger]

what is this aggression for

[vale pebble]

My advertisers r beans

Need to recruit boosting com manager

[crisp scaffold]

500k per person in a full mithic run is ok ?

[meager storm]

If that joke means aggression to u oh man u must be new to the internet

[crisp badger]

again

jsut

condescension for no reason

wait is that even a word

[jade flume]

Condensation

[crisp badger]

but i think i get it, its hard not to be aggressive towards this opinion if half yoru ego is invested in wow

[delicate perch]

@lyric kettle

[obsidian jetty]

😦 so sorry you had to go through that, keep your head up king!!!

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-cat-gif-26187899

[lyric kettle]

variety colors

[jade flume]

You dont wanna know where the other half is buddy

[lyric kettle]

respect it

[night vector]

yo lads, how KFC is looking for s3?

[delicate perch]

gotta collect em all

[crisp badger]

[delicate perch]

#pvp maybe?

[jade flume]

I had kfc yesterday and was feeling like ass all day

Not recommended

[night vector]

playing balance in pvp sounds awful

[delicate perch]

they asked about next season tho

maybe it'll be better by then

[sudden flame]

not a fan of kfc

[night vector]

kfc has some good stuff, i dont like their buckets

[sudden flame]

greasy chicken ew

[delicate perch]

can tell the non ocers here

[night vector]

they always have some bad apples in there

[jade flume]

We had popeyes open here somewhat recently

[night vector]

they wraps are fire tho

[jade flume]

Pretty damn good

[night vector]

their*

[lyric kettle]

i would smash a zingerbox rn

[delicate perch]

zing on

[delicate perch]

a spanians kebab opened near me

do I dare

[lyric kettle]

they overseason the chips but the kebab was decent

the bread is thicker than a normal kebab tho

[delicate perch]

I love how he opened one in the area of one of his australias biggest hoods videos

[lyric kettle]

he opened one in the gong

[pallid bay]

Shut up newbie

[lyric kettle]

insane

[delicate perch]

nah even worse, warrawong

[lyric kettle]

brother he opened one in wyong

thats getting robbed

ong

[delicate perch]

[pallid bay]

I'm really invested, CE isn't hard

[sudden flame]

[obsidian jetty]

😐

[fossil hemlock]

I can't believe you guys are being baited by a guy literally called "ruse"

[obsidian jetty]

jokes on him, I caught this while the yap was happening

[vale pebble]

Ur not him bro hes ignoring u

[fossil hemlock]

Trapinch is one derpy motherfucker

[lyric kettle]

ok but def go get one for the experience

i def rate it

[crisp badger]

idk, peopel getting mad at personal opinions and they trying to be cool by saying im too sensitive when they are clearly offended

[pallid bay]

I guess you're new here..

[pallid bay]

They're all riled up yeah, you're calm and collected though, expressing your thoughts and opinions intellectually

[crisp badger]

like

[crisp badger]

why this though?

what is the purpose of this, i didn't say any of that

its crazy

[fossil hemlock]

I mean the whole argument is just moot anyway. Different people find different things to be excited for, that's it

[crisp badger]

that's also a point yeah

[jade flume]

Rile dn buddy

[crisp badger]

its crazy how this conversation devolved

into this

[fossil hemlock]

It doesn't matter if you understand or not, the idea was explained and you can go "hmm yeah I see" or "I don't get it but okay"

[fossil hemlock]

Well you quadrupled down

[crisp badger]

i tried to explain my perspective when peopel said i didn't

[obsidian jetty]

it's crazy how he's asking for your opinion but you're still offended

🥀

[crisp badger]

i dont even know what you're talking about

i wasn't offended by a question if that's what you think?

[crisp badger]

i just tried to explain what i meant, how is that quadruple down

i didn't really disagree with anyone

i jsut said what i thought made fighting games harder

[pallid bay]

It's bait

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-cat-smell-cat-cat-nose-smell-gif-4208811055669905508

[delicate perch]

fighting games?

[fossil hemlock]

How it went was "I don't get it" then we said "it's like this" and then you continually replied "I don't get it"

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-fox-tekken-gif-11163452063766415053

[crisp badger]

that's not how it went in my head

[fossil hemlock]

I'm sorry to hear that

[crisp badger]

im pretty sure i get that peopel find ifferent thigns difficult

i just explained what i found more difficult and less difficult

how is t hat "i dont get it"

[jade flume]

I find everything easy

[delicate perch]

[livid jay]

i find fighting games incredibly easy compared to pulling of my boomkin opener

[crisp badger]

that's surprising, but that's fine

[jaunty blaze]

So real

[delicate perch]

boomkin very hard though

insane brainpower required

[crisp badger]

what is this supposed to prove

[delicate perch]

idk

[fossil hemlock]

If you mean the song, yes it does improve your dps by at least 20%

[jaunty blaze]

Missed some content here it seems

[fossil hemlock]

Scientifically proven

[livid jay]

becoming Rank 1 in warcraftlogs and streetfighter is probably the same difficulty no?

just because of

statistics

[obsidian jetty]

maybe r1 of all classes

[livid jay]

yea

like rank 1 all star overall

[obsidian jetty]

would be equiv to r1 of a hero or somethign I think

in a fighting game

vs a class

[crisp badger]

idk, its hard to compare like others say, i just try to compare what seems somewhat comparable

like rotations vs combos

movement etc

[livid jay]

idk bro

cant just say rotation easy

if u gotta do it while 50 million other things happen

too many variables

to compare it

[lyric kettle]

true.

[obsidian jetty]

nice spymaster bro

gg

[delicate perch]

see? point proven

[crisp badger]

whats this supposed to prove?

[delicate perch]

insane IQ required to pull that off

[fossil hemlock]

You just earlier said that it's fine to compare and now you said it's hard to compare

[lyric kettle]

user error

ong

[crisp badger]

its fine as in its perfectly sensible

but that doesn't make it easy

[livid jay]

rank1 btw

[fossil hemlock]

Your opinion seems like a pendulum

[delicate perch]

lifeline moment

[lyric kettle]

bro....

[delicate perch]

[crisp badger]

bro something can be fine but difficult at the same time

[delicate perch]

ok too far sorry

[crisp badger]

how is that so hard to understand

fine is not even a precise word

[twin lotus]

very excited for the buffs tomorrow

[fossil hemlock]

Well I know for a fact I'm a giant idiot, and you don't appear to be a stellar example of intellectual prowess so let's keep difficult things out of the conversation

[lyric kettle]

its ok its RWL content soon.

[delicate perch]

no buffs tomorrow, try again next week

[delicate perch]

[sudden flame]

[crisp badger]

i don't think you'd be a good judge of that

but you do you

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[sudden flame]

@twin lotus you are away on prog anyway so it doesnt matter

[elder remnant]

cool end boss blizz

[delicate perch]

nice loot

[elder remnant]

i need those pants don't laugh

[sudden flame]

horrendous loot

[delicate perch]

[elder remnant]

People got mounts that's what matters

:)

[lyric kettle]

bracer mog

login!!!

[delicate perch]

it's week 20743 if they don't have mount that's on them

[livid jay]

someone hype me up for next patch

[elder remnant]

now we prog sprocket

[fossil hemlock]

That's almost 400 years

[elder remnant]

the real end boss

[delicate perch]

it's only up from here (it could actually get worse)

[fossil hemlock]

[livid jay]

[lyric kettle]

yeah lifeline could return...

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-god-please-no-no-please-no-no-god-no-yelling-gif-26334008

[livid jay]

what is lifeline

[delicate perch]

certainly not something you'd want as a lifeline

[fierce hare]

Yoo .. how is boomy ? how much is it simming ST

[sudden flame]

apl incomplete for kotg so don't know yet

[vital hound]

we're fkn massive

ive seen the gatekept sims can confirm

[scenic mist]

around 10M

for 10sec

[fierce hare]

😄

[scenic mist]

just have the boss die by then

you'll be topdog

[sudden flame]

oof guess i was wrong I'll admit it guys balance needs buffs

[scenic mist]

nerf feral

[sudden flame]

paying money for the sim sheet

[scenic mist]

having a guildmate paying

[stuck meadow]

thats like 5 bucks bro

[sudden flame]

idk i find it a bit weird that they basically take other peoples work on sims put it on a sheet ansd make people pay for it

[fossil hemlock]

That's sus

Grifting, practically

[scenic mist]

you pay for the investigation and compilation work

it's a service

[dire osprey]

ok now screenshot the entire list so i can steal it

[scenic mist]

• formating

[scenic mist]

i did

[dire osprey]

where boomy

[maiden pasture]

the classes not on there are gatekeepers or sandbaggers

(we are both)

[scenic mist]

apl not ready

[dire osprey]

oh

[royal zenith]

they are aware

he asks them directly

(in most cases)

[obsidian jetty]

paying for wrong info is wild

[royal zenith]

yeah

agree

[scenic mist]

it's wrong info for the future but accurate in the present

[fossil hemlock]

Debatable

[scenic mist]

like it's an accurate picture of where TCers are with their classes

[fossil hemlock]

That much is true

[pale swan]

where chicken

am i blind

[fossil hemlock]

But that doesn't mean it's an accurate representation of PTR performance

[scenic mist]

it's like everything
if you are aware of what you are looking at, you can extract usefull data

[scenic mist]

sims never are tho, even during live season

[lyric thicket]

Pay 5 euros/dollars to see your TC playing league

[stuck meadow]

so

are we watiting a minor buff this week still or?

[fossil hemlock]

You're waiting for divine intervention

[stuck meadow]

we want what? 5% at least?

[fossil hemlock]

Want or need?

[stuck meadow]

i think we need like 8 again but knowing blizzard

they wont

[lyric thicket]

We dont Even know where we are exatly

[sudden flame]

are they aware he paywalled it this time

[dire osprey]

+25

[sudden flame]

since its first time

[scenic mist]

doesnt they always paywall the work in progress version, only to share final version for free when patch releases ?

[sudden flame]

idk

[scenic mist]

i think so

[vale pebble]

yea

for the last like 2-3 tieres

[stuck meadow]

yes

[vale pebble]

but always is wrong

he didnt do that in the past but ye

[scenic mist]

2-3 tiers is like close to 2 years

count for forever/always to me

[frigid yoke]

Isnt tier still bugged in ptr ?

[scenic mist]

no

i mean 2p surges not benefiting from modifiers could be considered a bug

but it's just a design issue

[frigid yoke]

Oke oke

[scenic mist]

will surely get fixed before release

[frigid yoke]

Ah well we shall see when patch is released now it as quessing

[vale pebble]

im stuck in the past

[frigid yoke]

There is no raidtesting so kinda hard to Judge wich classes are good and bad for raid

[vale pebble]

cn was 1 year ago

and u cant tell me otherwise

[scenic mist]

well we saw the fights

we know what classes are good damage pattern wise

tuning will be a deciding factor for a few classes only

[frigid yoke]

Yup

[royal zenith]

ye was same last time -> last tier

[sudden flame]

[royal zenith]

people are getting played by the system

it is what it is

same as tierlists

[fossil hemlock]

Deux give me a tier list of tier list content creators

[royal zenith]

Ohhhh shit

[sudden flame]

kalamazi F tier simply for this video

[royal zenith]

S // Yoda, Tomato man
A // Maximus limitus (content wise)
B // ---
C // Pettko
D // ----
E // The others

[fossil hemlock]

Ew, Yoda

[royal zenith]

maybe even F for the others

I mean, it's a decent tierlist in terms of tierlists

[jade flume]

Yoda is bayzed

[potent cargo]

Tomato is F tier for cooking ability

Let’s b real

[royal zenith]

love them pancakes

[vale pebble]

imagine ur known as tomato man

but u cant cook for shit

[obsidian jetty]

tomato's can't cook...

they get cooked

[crisp badger]

logic isn't always this chat's strongest suit

[obsidian jetty]

you been holding that one in forawhile huh

[royal zenith]

[crisp badger]

if it makes you feel better sure

[noble spindle]

RELAXXXXXX GUY

[crisp badger]

sorry, you're right

i do need to relax

[royal zenith]

hey byul

[noble spindle]

Ty

[royal zenith]

[obsidian jetty]

Thanks man, I feel so much better now.

[noble spindle]

Hey sexy

[crisp badger]

good good

[noble spindle]

U hiring?

[royal zenith]

yeah

I need someone to operate chatgpt for me

[noble spindle]

I got u

[pallid bay]

There is a ptr apl

[sudden flame]

5.1 mil kotg i take back what i said about balance

[vale pebble]

its 6.2mil

[sudden flame]

I take back the take back nerf balance

[scenic mist]

for balance you mean ? you released it ?

[obsidian jetty]

gamz pushed one to mimiron last night

[scenic mist]

huh

nice

[royal zenith]

gonna spread a sim with all buffs turned off

we need haelp bliz

[vale pebble]

10k mastery cloak enchant hack

[fossil hemlock]

Weapon ilvl +50 like the hunters

[sudden flame]

Azor sims

[vale pebble]

patreon.com/dsune

tier 3 patreon gets access to the latest sims

[dire osprey]

[jade flume]

So is wow ez game or nah

What did we end up on

[vale pebble]

fighter games are harder

[dire osprey]

wym i beat plenty of people with the ultimate combo

X, X, X, X, X

[crisp badger]

i realised i didn't actually properly explain why i think fighting game combos are harder because so many people were trying to shit on me at once, but its because it's rhythmn based, one ability requires multiple button presses (a lot of the times, not all cases ofc) and the abilities are much mroe distance/position sensitive. in wow you can button mash

idk if that is enough proof, or at least substantiates my experience a bit more

[jade flume]

I agree that combos are harder in a vacuum

But you do more than just your rotation in wow generally

Boss isnt suspended in the air while u smash his ass with starsurges

[crisp badger]

true, but same in fighting games no? you also have to think about your opponent, look at their cues and be ready to hit confirm etc

yeah in wow you can also talk about raid leading/shot calling in m+

like it's all very arguable, but this whole thing acrtually started on just pure mchanics

i said wow isn't very mechanically difficult

referring to rotations/ dodging shit what not

i know there are a lot of nuances that make wow "difficult"

[jade flume]

Yeah i agree that its mechanically pretty simple generally

[crisp scaffold]

The only problem wow has is that it loves overlapping mechanics

[jade flume]

Its more about knowledge, awareness, decision making

Than mechanical complexity

[crisp badger]

true, but i would argue thats the same in any game that's worth their salt

again, the entire initial point was really just about mechanical difficulty so

i never disagreed with most of your points

[drifting nova]

wow is ez

people are dumb

a terrible coincidence

[rich jewel]

Still going strong

[jade flume]

I started it tbf

[crisp badger]

people are allergic to discussions idk, whats wrong with talking things out

im just not fit for this new edgelord social meta

[jaunty cliff]

i felt like this was super accurate. i think i'm at a point where i'm pressing buttons the right way, but the choices i'm making are what’s making my performance kinda shitty

[leaden birch]

what did I come into, we're comparing fighting games to wow?

[jaunty blaze]

Idk man

Buffs tomorrow

[jade flume]

Bamkin is never getting buffed

[lofty depot]

It already got buffed

[crisp scaffold]

8X0 = ?

[delicate perch]

still no buffs tomorrow, gg bamkins

[jaunty blaze]

gg...

[royal zenith]

yes

but be sure to not join the discussion, you will get offended

[jaunty cliff]

i feel like the kinda person who loves saying others are dumb usually aint some CEO or nobel prize winner. most of the time it's just teens or childish adults with one random skill, like being good at some online game and acting like it's some ancient sacred art or whatever

[crisp scaffold]

In my opionion its better to be good at one game ,than average in 15 games

[crisp badger]

idk man, i didnt say anyone's dumb, or anyone's bad

i just said i find fighting games mechanically much harder than wow

apparently that's controversial enough to make all the regulars start tlaking down to me

[dire osprey]

generally the people that are really good at 1 game are atleast average in other games

from what ive witnessed

[jaunty cliff]

but you didnt actually. the other guy who said it and got me thinking about that

[royal zenith]

don't get pulling the whole "I'm a victim"

but if that's how you feel...

[crisp badger]

it's literally what happened lol

[lofty depot]

I didn't talk down to

[crisp badger]

i don't think im a victim but

[dire osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[lofty depot]

I could however 🤔

[royal zenith]

You called people offended < - > you are now making the argument that people are allergic to discussions

very contradicting

[jaunty blaze]

Holy its still goin

[crisp badger]

sorry, but you guys started insulting me?

[royal zenith]

it's end of tier

gotta do something

[crisp badger]

why would i not assume youre not offended

[jaunty blaze]

Real

[crisp badger]

i assume i made you angry or something

if you are gonna insult me

[royal zenith]

what, who insulted you

other then people looking up your logs

[crisp badger]

idk, at some point someone said i had no brain

[royal zenith]

are you calling your own logs an insult or what's the angle

[crisp badger]

i cba scrolling up

[jaunty cliff]

i agree. id prefer to be good at wow instead of being gated in +10-12 and being diamond/masters at lol etc

[crisp badger]

yeah see there it is again

you're doing this passive aggressive shit

like i didn't say anything about logs

[royal zenith]

I'm just matching the vibe

[crisp badger]

and you jsut assume it like what

[royal zenith]

.

[jade flume]

Diamond/masters in league os pretty good

I think im somewhere in wood tier

[dire osprey]

yea thats not average

[crude elm]

This level of discussion...
Now we're trying to figure out who's the most offended here

[crisp badger]

lmao

[royal zenith]

pew pew

[dire osprey]

average is high silver/gold probably

[royal zenith]

literally nobody is offended

[lofty depot]

Fighting game players when u tell them they're bad at other games

[merry crow]

depends, you're already selecting from the set of ranked players

[crisp badger]

idk man, people were coming at me like hounds, like they have half their money bet in wow being harder than fighting games or something

[lofty depot]

U waffled while explaining a point, and then they looked at ur current logs and trolled u

Wasnt really that deep

[merry crow]

but yeah, out of ranked players silver-gold is average especially after the emerald addition

[dire osprey]

well, when someone says average skill i feel like a rank is a decent way to compare it to

[crude elm]

I don't understend how u even compare those two genres

[crisp badger]

that's a gross simplification of what happened, the logs part was literally completely unrelevant

[lofty depot]

It's not irrelevant

[crisp badger]

why would it be relevant

[crude elm]

They r entierly different and require completely different sets of skills

[lofty depot]

I'm not getting into the weeds again

I just came back from vacation, it's too soon

[crisp badger]

lmao

[lofty depot]

They explained the problem

And its 3-4 hours later

And still waffling

[crisp badger]

sure man

[lofty depot]

This is civil arctic, let's try to preserve it as long as possible

[crisp badger]

as you wish

[jaunty cliff]

i feel like silver/high gold is just casual players. guys who play the game, but dont actually cares about nothing inside the game, they just want to hit buttons and try to make a good play. no? idk, id say avarage players are between emerald-diamond gate. i know i got to masters but i feel i did with too many games and yet never ended in tier

[jade flume]

Logs could be relevant since you said that wow rotation is mechanically easier than fighting games are. But you could only give accurate judgment if you are doing the rotation correctly

[lofty depot]

That's not how avgs work

[jade flume]

So i assume they linked the logs to disprove that

[crisp badger]

logs would only be relevant if i was actually raiding and trying to log

but i just filled for friends this season

[lofty depot]

What comparison is there from logging or CE in fighting gamss

[crisp badger]

idk, not everything is comparable

but like

[lofty depot]

Ok

[crisp badger]

most of the CE people i know just join a guild, follow instructions

[dire osprey]

i forgot they added emerald, but i think diamond is already on the higher end

[crisp badger]

do their rotations

bam CE

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[dire osprey]

i feel like plat-ish is a good spot

[crisp badger]

if youre a raid leader and youre the one organizing, figuring out the strats

i get it, that's hard

requries brain

requires thinking

but for most CE raiders, they just raid log, follow instructions, thats it

if its rwf, whole different story

[lofty depot]

Ok so, find a comparison to getting CE. When u do come back

[crisp badger]

and i said this too

[lofty depot]

Until then, they used ur logs to say u didn't do the rotation and is harder

[dire osprey]

ok apparently this exists https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution

[round ingot]

i mean, CE is like what world 2k guilds? thats like saying "rank 40k in a fighting game is just know your character"

[lofty depot]

Correct, in most games the avg is far lower than u think

[crisp badger]

this makes no sense, but ok

[lofty depot]

I'm glad ur confused, honestly

[crisp badger]

me too, i'd probably strain my brain doing the mental gymnastics required to think finding a CE comparison to fighting game achievements proves anything, or substantiates this discussion in any way

[fossil hemlock]

Are you still at it

Bro go touch grass

Nobody cares

[crisp badger]

im running simulations so there's a lot of down time, if you're responding you obviously care

[jade flume]

The thing is you would have to find something equivalent to CE in fighting games. It probably wouldnt take crazy effort or skill either

[crisp badger]

kinda hard to compare pvp to pve achievement/titles

[jade flume]

Yeah it is kinda the point everyone was making tbf

[dire osprey]

wow has pvp aswell

[lofty depot]

I can find the comparison in league very easily

[crisp badger]

i only brought in fighting games for the mechanical part

aka press buttons for your character to do stuff

[round ingot]

kinda hard to compare skill in a multiplayer game (or pve environment) to a fighting game tho

[crisp badger]

yeah idd, but again, i was only talking about the mechanical part when it came to that comparison

[round ingot]

you still cant compare it, doesnt matter if you just talk about a part or whatever

[crisp badger]

alright fine

[round ingot]

different mechanics apply to different games

[merry crow]

Chess is harder than fighting games

[crude elm]

Technically u can compare them
But fighings focused on personal skill, while mmorpg - on teamwork

[crisp badger]

this guy gets it

[lofty depot]

Wonder if ruse has won a local tournament or some shit fighting

Or just a casual

Casually playing a fighting game isn't exactly what would be considered hard

[round ingot]

the issue is, that wow requires a ton of different skills, while fighting games usually focus on one part

[viscid schooner]

It’s all just a… ruse

[jade flume]

We gotta do dreamgrove street fighter or mk tournament at this point

[round ingot]

and personal skill is also purely subjective

[lament sigil]

guys what is skill what is everyone's definition. is it just mechanical skill

[crisp badger]

im pretty casual, but im also pretty casual in wow

[lofty depot]

Well not everyone in wow gets CE, so there is skill there

[lofty depot]

Getting CE isn't casual unless ur buying it

[jaunty cliff]

sorry but what is CE? id like to keep up with the discussion

[leaden birch]

hey hey hey, a pug community got CE

[lofty depot]

....

[royal zenith]

I vote mk

[crisp badger]

2x3 isn't casual?

[leaden birch]

if they can do it, anyone can do it

[jade flume]

Cutting edge

[jaunty cliff]

ty

[crisp badger]

seems pretty casual to me

[lofty depot]

Cutting edge, kill last boss mythic

[crude elm]

Again, technically - mmorpg have bigger windows to react, indicates everything more clearly from a single individual perspective
But challenge comes, when u need to do something as a group. Then it gets difficult.
In fightings its just 1vs1, hence less indication, less time to react etc.

[jade flume]

If ur a bamkin player ur a noober lets be real

[royal zenith]

I will abuse zoning, cause we all know that's mechanically the hardest playstyle

[lofty depot]

The fuck does 2x3 mean

[crisp badger]

2 days 3 hours

per day

raiding

[jade flume]

Its 6

[lofty depot]

Having a set schedule for playing video game.is casual

P crazy

[crisp badger]

i also go to gym casually

and i ahve a schedule there too

what's wrong with that lol

[lofty depot]

Yea, ur probably not lorgok. Probably fail mechanical lifts... Maybe u just go running and call it a day

[royal zenith]

I miss lorgok

[crude elm]

On individual level mechanics in WoW are simple. Challenge comes from teamwork and coordination.
And number of buttons u need to press 😄

[royal zenith]

If only someone would've told him that 4 hours ago

[round ingot]

i mean, casual play is so relative - didnt naowh say "he wants to play casually" and went into a world 5 or so guild?

[solemn idol]

Guys its ok I asked chatgpt for the answer

[dreamy locust]

Tell that to the scrubs who had to get mage tower scenarios nerfed

[royal zenith]

chatgpt to the rescue

[dire osprey]

a pug community sounds like a guild with extra steps

[royal zenith]

pug communities are goated

[crude elm]

Exactly my point

[royal zenith]

it's for if you don't want to commit to the social aspect

[leaden birch]

apparently they had like 100+ people rotating in and out of fights

[royal zenith]

or it's off-season for your own guild

[lofty depot]

Cop.out answer

Eff chatgpt

[round ingot]

but casual is for having fun and being more social, no?

[jade flume]

Anyone better than my guild is a tryhard and anyone worse is a casual...

[round ingot]

but what is your guild

[lofty depot]

That is how one should describe it

[dire osprey]

ok that is kinda wild

[jade flume]

Tns

[round ingot]

if you skip the social part, then are u even casual?

[dire osprey]

real

[crisp badger]

i think its casual to join a guild and just raid log till CE

it wouldn't be casual if you were the leader, or officer trying to figure out the strats and organizing

doing vod revies

reviews*

benching people etc etc

but to just log in and raid as a dps nad then log off

seems pretty casual to me

[lofty depot]

Ur opinion and or definition of casual is wrong

Tragic really

[normal pilot]

you're talking in a wow discord

you're definitely not a casual player by a long shot

[dire osprey]

nah if u do any mythic at all ur already beyond casual

[jade flume]

I consider myself a casual

[crisp badger]

but i've been playign this game for 20 years

so i already have a lot of the knowledge that the "actual casuals" might need to build

[vale pebble]

me too

[leaden birch]

man, even raiding on a schedule

already above what I consider casual for wow players

[normal pilot]

nobody talking here is a casual player

[lofty depot]

Heroic only guild might seem casual

[crude elm]

I dont get it
Why is he wrong?

[leaden birch]

this is factual

[crisp badger]

hmm i suppose im completely out of touch with the non raiders/mplussy enjoyers

[dire osprey]

what i see as casual is someone that logs in twice a week to do a +7 and run some old content for tmog

[crisp badger]

i dont really even consider them players in some ways

idk

they play a different game almost

[lofty depot]

What's 40k/1m

[vale pebble]

casual

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[jade flume]

0.04 i think

[lofty depot]

Look at u go

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-cat-smell-cat-cat-nose-smell-gif-4208811055669905508

[crisp badger]

its really about how much brain power i put into it, that defines how casual something is i guess

if i have to put a lot of brain power, then its not casual

raid logging is little brain power

[fossil hemlock]

But that's a faulty definition

[vale pebble]

[fossil hemlock]

Because it changes individually then

[crisp badger]

maybe yeah, it's not an objective one

[lofty depot]

Gross simplification as u would say

[crisp badger]

i guess

[crisp badger]

i mean, fair

[severe hollow]

sounds like you are a casual in life

[crisp badger]

kinda yea

but also not really

its complicated

[dire osprey]

raid logging still requires u to grind gear, watch guides, sign up for raids, keep up with the guild and shit like that

[lofty depot]

40k / 1m when there's more than 1m people playing it's not even the 1% of people

[vale pebble]

not if ur the goat

[lofty depot]

In league stats it's like challenger

[vale pebble]

and dont do any of that

[severe hollow]

for some idd

[lofty depot]

Doing heroic is like emerald or diamond

[vale pebble]

ok but thats fungus

[dire osprey]

last guy that tried that got benched but he was also a melee player

[crisp badger]

grind gear, watch guides, sure, the rest are kidna trivial

[jaunty cliff]

i think its the time you put into it. i feel like casual players normally dont have the time or the will to run over complex contents. someone here said casual is about loging in, do some +7 or delve, old stuff for tmog and than log off

[vale pebble]

i have couple of those

[lofty depot]

Grinding gear doesn't sound casual

Maybe grinding mounts

[crude elm]

We r talking about WoW
It requires it by default
Thats mmorpg for u

[crisp badger]

youre probably right, it is to me though

and honestly it probably shouldn't be

[lofty depot]

Yea again, ur definition is clouded

[crisp badger]

but i think i just play too many games

[lofty depot]

Same with th league rank talk

Most people think higher ranks are easy

When half the player base is gold or below

[crisp badger]

yeah like i said, i often don't even consider those people

for whatever reason

[jade flume]

Man i cant even get to max level in league

Shit is hard

[crisp badger]

its like they play a different game

[vale pebble]

🐬

might want to rephrase that

[lofty depot]

THATS CUZ THEYRE THE CASUAL PLAYER BASE

hello

[jade flume]

Calm down

[crisp badger]

im too stupid to understand if i said something offensive, i think we established that my idea of offensive and offending is all over the place

[vale pebble]

[crisp badger]

well, i guess i look at the non casual player base, and further divide that into casual and non casual

and then completely ignore the actual casuls

[dire osprey]

u underestimate how much of the playerbase is probably still running around in champion gear and is struggling to clear a +7

[lofty depot]

+7 hard content

Kekkers is doing that content

[crude elm]

Maybe u r right

[dire osprey]

its part of mmo's but being a casual is different from actually wanting to put time in getting good and progressing

[crisp badger]

are we saying that casually trying to get good is an oxymoron

cuz it still kind of makes sense to me

if 2 people are btoh trying to get good, but one invests a lot more time, wouldn't you say the one investing more time is less casual about it

[lofty depot]

Going to the gym isn't casually working out.... Casually working out is a few dumbbells at home and running around the block

[vale pebble]

im casually working out

walking to my car to work

[lofty depot]

I'm gonna work out ur mom

[crisp badger]

you don't think going 6 times a week vs 3 times a week is a difference in how casual you are?

[lofty depot]

Yes, but he still both try Harding to get in shape

One is lorgok and one is mattiu

[crisp badger]

lmao

fair i guess

on the global scale yes, there is more casual

[vale pebble]

theres people that queue 2k league games per season in iron 4

casual or tryhard?

[lofty depot]

There are levels to everything

[crisp badger]

mentally ill

[jaunty cliff]

id say avg - bad player

[vale pebble]

answer the question

[crisp badger]

how long is a season in league

[vale pebble]

u guys are measuring how tryhard u are

[lofty depot]

Casual skill, try hard hours, mentally ill

[vale pebble]

in time spent

[jaunty cliff]

a tryhard, with avg gameplay

[dire osprey]

unhinged

[crisp badger]

i think its about intensity, not just time spent

[vale pebble]

rn its 1year

[crisp badger]

how much time spent within a period

[dire osprey]

hes obv trying hard but hes just shit

[vale pebble]

but yea meant like

a lot of games

[lofty depot]

Actually no

[crisp badger]

5 games a day

[vale pebble]

thats like 5games a day

yea

[crisp badger]

that's pretty intense

so not casual

[vale pebble]

yea but hes iron4

so

[crisp badger]

yeah but its not about where you end up in ranks

to me anyways

its about effort

mental and time

[lofty depot]

I wasnt measuring time spent. I said if they go to the gym they're not casual. Casual was running around the block and lifting a few dumbbells at home

[crude elm]

Is there definition of casual player, or we arguing about subjective points of view?

[jaunty cliff]

shouldnt be it? the diff between casual and tryhard isnt the time you put into learning the game and getting better? even if you dont get the ideal result cuz you lack skill, if you play 2k games in a season you are tryharding but avg/bad player

[vale pebble]

.

[crisp badger]

we are establishing a global irrefutable definition of a casual

[vale pebble]

.

[crisp badger]

6 hours a week seems casual to me

[lofty depot]

Well that was way before the gym comment and CE is a rank of 40k people... That's like lorgok working out and then going into body building tournaments dofferent

[crisp badger]

that sounds less than 5 games of league per day

[lofty depot]

Vs ruse going to the gym 3 times a week

He goes to the gym, but he isn't lorgok

[jade flume]

Lorgok only goes to the gym once a week

[lofty depot]

Very easy comparison

[vale pebble]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/eu/stormreaver/tony halme pro skater

[jade flume]

Hes just a natural

[vale pebble]

is this guild casual

[crude elm]

Casual players plays for entertainment in relaxed manner, while others plays for result.
But there is a problem here: what is relaxed manner, and what entertains certain player - differs from person to person

[crisp badger]

i don't think so

[lofty depot]

No

[vale pebble]

reason?

[crisp badger]

3 days a week 4 hours a day

[lofty depot]

The C in CE doesn't mean casual

[crisp badger]

so its double the hours of a 2x3

this is very vibey btw

im not saying this is based off any super hard criterion

[vale pebble]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/eu/kazzak/pescorus

ok is this guild casual?

(they are 2x4)

[wild dune]

[crisp badger]

more casual than the last

i guess

[lofty depot]

Yea he's trying to find where u think casual is

[wild dune]

Casuals are people that play less than me and sweaty tryhards are people that play more than me

simple stuff

[vale pebble]

been said already

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/strawman-argument-debate-ref-debate-referee-meme-gif-3897723626715654039

[vale pebble]

[crude elm]

Dude, i dont get u
If u want to prove ur point, than give us strict definition of "casual". How many hours u need to play weekly be casual, wich content u should play etc.

[wild dune]

I'm always late to the tar and feathering man

[crisp badger]

i didn't say anything about tryhards or sweaty people or me being worse or better than anybody

[lofty depot]

I did what

[crude elm]

There is no poin in this argument

[pallid bay]

wrong

[vale pebble]

grow up

[pallid bay]

the point of the argument is to argue

[vale pebble]

yes

[crude elm]

Ah

sorry

forgot about it

[vale pebble]

everyone knew

[pallid bay]

keep up next time

[vale pebble]

nobody was going to win this

from the first minute

[lofty depot]

Did u do the math yet or

[vale pebble]

i simmed it

[crude elm]

Most important reason for argument there is
mb

[lofty depot]

Cuz 0.04% doesn't seem casual

[vale pebble]

what ami gonna do

work or argue online

[lofty depot]

Idk if ur a math person

[vale pebble]

yea thought so

[dire osprey]

are we back?

[vale pebble]

yea

[dire osprey]

We are so back pog

[normal pilot]

back to the bench

[pallid bay]

devs are coming for us

praying for our downfall

[crisp badger]

there was nothing to win in the first place

[lofty depot]

Dev evokers? Not again 😭

[dire osprey]

hell yea

[lofty depot]

Hmmm, doesn't want to show us doing 6.5m?

We're on top!

[quiet drift]

Edging

[digital berry]

Who is we you’re a mage player

[quiet drift]

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[vale pebble]

wdym i already won

u did as well

[lofty depot]

Idk depending how long adds live on funny bosses, I might stay cuz fire cringe at swapping

[vale pebble]

ur popular in the hood

[lofty depot]

Frost gang?

[digital berry]

The only way to win is to insult the other party and log off

[dire osprey]

i defo won, had some entertainment for the last 2 hours of my workday

[vale pebble]

3 ppl dmd me already to thank for the content provided

[royal zenith]

my last hour is almost done

13 more minutes

please continue

[quiet drift]

Maybe the ragebait is the friends we made along the way

[crisp badger]

any attention is good attention

[royal zenith]

no balance druid things

who's fault is it to bring it back on-topic, gastank??

[digital berry]

Time to go back to dooming guys

[crisp badger]

lmfao

[royal zenith]

[crisp badger]

im a bit unhinged on tuesdays, also im stressed because im publishing a paper while wrigin 2 more paperrs at the same time

[lofty depot]

57... It's only 49

Hmm

[crisp badger]

i need some place to procrastinate and vent i guess idk

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/chills-cat-air-blowing-smallow-gif-10196711755739095958

[royal zenith]

dont we all

[quiet drift]

Writing only 3 papers sounds pretty casual...

[dire osprey]

would you say you are casually working or tryhard working?

[crisp badger]

try hard working

i fucking hate it though

contract ends next feb

[lofty depot]

Go ahead and write ur thesis up on ce being more casual than fighting games and present it to the class, thanks

[royal zenith]

I just write plans for people to spend 30 to 100k on ads

[crisp badger]

and im gonna go work at mc donalds

[crisp badger]

iw ish i coudl

[royal zenith]

I do not envy you

[placid olive]

No way ruse is still going at it lol

[royal zenith]

the guy is unhinged..

[crisp badger]

sorry is it a sin for me to talk now

[placid olive]

Oof

[lofty depot]

For 5 hours, yes

[dire osprey]

[crisp badger]

[vale pebble]

not his fault he got fished back in by the best ragebaiters

i wont say who

(dsune)

[dire osprey]

it was @jade flume

[lofty depot]

Kekkers isn't even here

[placid olive]

Heavy sigh

[lofty depot]

Or paper

Paper could've handled this

[vale pebble]

paper wouldve bricked it

[jade flume]

I cant be part of the conversation anymore, not at work anymore

We continue tomorrow at 9am

[vale pebble]

yea imgone in 5min too good shout

wpgg team

[dire osprey]

discord stays off outside of work hours

[vale pebble]

[jade flume]

Cant be yapping for free

[dire osprey]

real

[crisp badger]

actually true, i only yap on discord during work

[vale pebble]

cant be writing compendium for free

only during work hours

[crisp badger]

im tired boss

[lofty depot]

Ur name not even on it anymore

Chickens back?

[vale pebble]

no

maybe next szn

[lofty depot]

Smh

[royal zenith]

when the massive rework of balance gets announced

in midnight

[vale pebble]

when bicotti goes mage

[royal zenith]

[vale pebble]

🧙‍♂️

[dire osprey]

"balance will now be using the power of sun and moon to buff their allies"

[stuck meadow]

i woke up where are my BUFFS

[lofty depot]

Sun and moon... God and anime. Hmm

[lofty depot]

Implemented already

Missed it, unforch

[crisp badger]

does anyone know if there're CE guilds that raid once a week

has that ever been a thing

[digital berry]

Sure yeah probably

[crisp badger]

thats pretty goated

[digital berry]

There’s 3/4 day guilds that barely make it too

[royal zenith]

just CE?

cause that's definitely doable

[crisp badger]

doable yeah but i dont think ive ever seen a guild ad that was 1 day a week with CE as goal

[royal zenith]

well the whole point of playing wow is cause you enjoy doing it

[lofty depot]

There's Hof guilds that raid 2 days 3 hours

[royal zenith]

just one night is not a lot of time you spend doing something you enjoy

[crisp badger]

but what if there are a lot of other things i wanna enjoy

and i enjoy them all equally

[digital berry]

Enjoy some bitches for once

[lofty depot]

Than ur a gamer that likes to casually enjoy games

[round ingot]

@lofty depot casually getting hof

[round field]

Casually?

Arctic raids like half time job

[lofty depot]

Huh?

[round ingot]

can raid casually and still get hof, who says 2 days 3 hours is not casual

[lofty depot]

Actually.... Yea crazy 3x3

That's half job

We outside with it

[lofty depot]

Well as I stated, CE isn't casual so

[round ingot]

the definition of casual doesnt apply to a world rank imo

[lofty depot]

Tell that to lorgok

Fuggn casual body builder

[wild dune]

Casuals are farming mounts, transmog, pet battles, and posting their aotc/2500 achievements on Reddit at week 20 of the season

(and they're having more fun than all of us)

[lofty depot]

Anne fuscia does that, but does it for 8 hours a day. Thoughts

[digital berry]

He’s also a casual sexist so

[wild dune]

I wouldn't call anyone playing more than 2 hours a day a casual

[lofty depot]

Well not the reddit part

Thyme casually plays osrs for 24 hours a day

Thoughts

[round ingot]

thyme is tryharding whatever he does

that's not casual

[wild dune]

no more thoughts 💭

[digital berry]

What a take

[lofty depot]

Trying hard to get his mind of discord

[round ingot]

obviously, who isnt

[lucid olive]

Everyone who is worse than me is a fucking casual who should get good and everyone who is better than me is a filthy tryhard and should get a life

It's simple

[lofty depot]

Morning gamz

[lucid olive]

Is it

[lofty depot]

Well u haven't typed in so long. U were likely asleep

[lucid olive]

I was but it's still not morning

Woke up 4pm innit that's afternoon

[lofty depot]

Type shit

Ur on na hours so, morning

Or recruitie hours

[hollow bobcat]

uk hours

[lofty depot]

I heard u were baiting people

I laughed

[celest narwhal]

Real tryhards bring a table to the beach so they can use their laptop to grind at all hours

[scenic mist]

good thing you never ranked 1st

[lofty depot]

Looks like a table to bench* on

Get ur muscles up

[celest narwhal]

I can’t get too strong. Might button smash right through the keyboard

[lofty depot]

If lorgok doesn't, u wont

[obsidian tapir]

🥹

[hollow bobcat]

thats ai i would do no such thing

[lofty depot]

surely

[dreamy locust]

I dont know any 2d 6hr HOF guilds, but if there was you are raiding way more than 6 hours

[plucky valley]

I’m currently bench pressing as we speaketh

[ocean atlas]

very late question, but i just got my best in slot, i wonder how i should use it, always with brust?

[dreamy locust]

Because basically every 2 day guild does all their gear farming on another night

[plucky valley]

Trinket first incarn bis next incarn

[cloud citrus]

yea we are a 2 day guild and i swear most of us are doing keys 12 hours a day when new season comes out

[dreamy locust]

I mean, I got no problem with M+, its not like you can include it in raid hours

Im only talking raiding,

But they basically all have "alt" raid, which is just every single raider fullclearing heroic/norm on an off-night

for tier

[cloud citrus]

i mean we do sunday alt raids

but we clear heroic/normal during the 2 days we raid

for first few weeks

[dreamy locust]

Is your guild an HOF 2 night? what I said is the norm, but not a rule

[pallid bay]

isnt that just an issue of guilds not raiding 3 hours though

[dreamy locust]

and a lot of em add nights for kills

[pallid bay]

how many guilds raid 3 hours per raid

[cloud citrus]

no overtime!

[pallid bay]

maybe its more common than i think

[dreamy locust]

I'm in a 3x3 guild

But I think 4 is more normal

[pallid bay]

3:30 or 4 is prob the norm

[royal zenith]

4 is quite a lot

only raided 3

2 or 3 x 3

[cloud citrus]

yea half my guild just log off at 3 hours doing 4 is like a 2 week notice kind of thing

[dreamy locust]

I only raided in 2x4 and 3x3

[cloud citrus]

which never happens

[dreamy locust]

I like 4 hours honestly

[ocean atlas]

ty