balance

[lofty depot]

[pseudo merlin]

Cinnabuns

[meager storm]

Pretty sure every single country has that

Cinnabuns go hard

[mighty mica]

like, cinnamon rolls?

[meager storm]

Ye

[sudden pawn]

new ptr

[meager storm]

Anything with cinnamon

[sudden pawn]

SURGE NERFED BY 40%

[meager storm]

Is good

[pseudo merlin]

@mighty mica

[mighty mica]

yeah

[lucid olive]

theres no way they push a new build and there's nothing about balance there

[meager storm]

That’s crazy

They forgot to push part 2

[pseudo merlin]

food with an intact food matrix

[lofty depot]

Working too hard on DK raid utility

[scarlet tapir]

just fell down to my knees

on walmart

[lofty depot]

Hunter nerfed before bamkin big pog

[scarlet tapir]

why would they do class balance this late into the tier ICANT

[lucid olive]

thats for next tier bud

[meager storm]

That’s just nerfs for 11.2 no?

Ye

[lofty depot]

Lol

[meager storm]

Like how they nerf our sets instead of buffing the new ones

[lucid olive]

theyre just nuking old set next tier so you wont use it

[lofty depot]

Twist going crazy

[scarlet tapir]

oh w

it would be like this tier anyway

play last tier tierset

thank god

[lofty depot]

Blud changed his tune real fast lol

[abstract saddle]

If you don’t mind me asking, is the only time we are in Lunar eclipse during the opener?

[exotic perch]

as keeper yes

[lucid olive]

or on AoE

or if youre playing Lunar Calling

[exotic perch]

if ST is what you are talking about

[sullen stone]

my man you ever heard of growing stuff yourself

lots do it

[exotic perch]

@lucid olive tierset dodged the nerf lets go

[lucid olive]

baffled

[meager storm]

We don’t want that

[exotic perch]

very pog to be a 3 min class again

do a billion dmg then afk

[lofty depot]

Or if u press CA

[abstract saddle]

My B I should have been more specific. Yea as ST keeper.

Ty ♥️

[sullen stone]

clown

[unique meadow]

didnt dodge nerfs

[nova ocean]

Where's that

[unique meadow]

ptr

[pseudo merlin]

They're working on something itl just take longer

don't worry lmao

[nova ocean]

Bluepost doesn't show that tho

[lofty depot]

Blue poster lying what the fricc

[unique meadow]

enh tier is nerfed as well

blizzard cooking

[lofty depot]

Without fire or?

[unique meadow]

house is burned already

[exotic perch]

tbf that could be true the set prob needs a rework entirely

why Force of Nature doesnt spawn them is beyond me

[pseudo merlin]

yeah they cant just tune this

[lofty depot]

I mean they can

[exotic perch]

should literally just be FoN spawns a dryad that casts etc for 10 seconds

and that dryad does actual dam

[nova ocean]

Wait so we did get tuning changes but it's just dryad ss damage

[lofty depot]

Don't know bud, log on and go test it

[lucid olive]

30% of a spell that doesn't do any damage

[nova ocean]

Can't I'm at work

[lucid olive]

boy they're cooking but its still raw

[lofty depot]

That's the "without fire" part

[worthy knot]

hi boomkins! Looking for easy guide how to sim balance raid and m+

[lofty depot]

MMO champ has the datamines ptr build up

Seems sus

[lofty depot]

Well raid is 1 target 5m patchwerk..... M+ play way is the same cuz MDT sim isn't exactly perfect

[sudden flame]

[unique meadow]

trying to test dryad damage but it doesnt show on details anymore

[lofty depot]

Do u know that the dryad doesn't do damage unless it has the drayds favor buff up

[faint compass]

:catpointingandlaughingemoji:

[unique meadow]

ye ofc i know that xd

[lofty depot]

Idk u, idk what u know

[unique meadow]

fair

[summer kayak]

guys how to craft this weap? who can help me and guide me? i came back to wow after an break(since s1). Thank you in advance

[pseudo merlin]

not a craftable weapon

its a boss drop

[sleek verge]

It's a raid drop, not craftable

[summer kayak]

oh damn

[lofty depot]

U craft a staff if u aren't raiding mythic tho

[somber path]

the starsurge thing on mmo-champion is for dryad

88 is 30 percent of 296

[summer kayak]

im just casual and m+ runs ...this is good enough?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[somber path]

dryad surges were nerfed to 30 percent surges on ptr

[lofty depot]

2nd best weapon yes

[pseudo merlin]

is there no 684 better than crafted?

like stix dagger and cauldron oh

[lofty depot]

Not if ur running asc

For at purpoaes

[pseudo merlin]

right

[summer kayak]

ok i will try to find someone who can craft? anyone here?

[pseudo merlin]

trade chat

/join 2, LFC, /leave 2

[lofty depot]

Put it on public and put like 500g and someone craft

[pseudo merlin]

also you realise there's like 6 regions in this game right

[lofty depot]

Ezpz

[summer kayak]

tnx guys

[spice roost]

so the degen gameplay wasnt fixed?

[lofty depot]

It's been 4 minutes

Please wait

[leaden birch]

classic is so boring

[lofty depot]

But they might have it dryads damage does 1% of our total

Bubbles dead rip

[pseudo merlin]

rip bubbles

[lucid olive]

So they changed the tier set from "Dryad Starsurge for 70% effectiveness" to 30% effectiveness, and then fixed the bug where the Dryad was benefitting from your 4pc buff

[pseudo merlin]

thats big

[lucid olive]

But they didn't fix the bug where the Dryad didn't do any damage unless it benefitted from the 4pc

So now she just Starfalls and then AFKs

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

might as well spawn Ravec there would be just as useful..

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[drifting nova]

just like me fr

starfall gaming

[lofty depot]

Time to get all the druids to log into ptr and bug report

[lucid olive]

fuckin do it

[worthy knot]

thanks for replay

[pseudo merlin]

I dont think there's ever been a worse reclear boss for me than mugzee

God I'm so tired of this shit

[royal zenith]

Mugzee is actually pretty easy on reclear

but yeah the soaks are forever nasty

[pseudo merlin]

one week its 1 shot

next week clownfiesta

Given like half the raid team is trials atm

[royal zenith]

or alts

[pseudo merlin]

and offspecs

[plush obsidian]

guys whats the best way to fight Ipa in cinderbrew when the adds come out?

do we dot up every add and focus them down? do i focus adds but not bother dotting up? do i stay on boss?

[lofty depot]

If they live long enough ye

Ur not the stay on boss class

Ur the kill the adds class

[rancid rampart]

Hey i wanna try some key on PTR does someone have a sample tree i can take as a base ?

[pseudo merlin]

Should you dot or not is always the exact same process

based on alive duration nothing else

(assuming they actually need to take dmg)

[lofty depot]

Probably something like that

Maybe remove foe idk

Ptr is for testing

[rancid rampart]

Ty and yeah i wanna try to move some things around but i'm new to the spec so wanted a base

[lofty depot]

Dreamgrove.gg

And can look at builds for m+ there

[pallid bay]

one of the trees of all time

based

[lofty depot]

Type shit

Idk I went to warcraftlogs

It's like a -denizen/on and +crash/Crit talent

[pallid bay]

i think starfire might be a lot of your damage

[lofty depot]

Oo w no boat

[lofty depot]

CYGAkuH5GdQpDrgY32rlVGnyqBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBYWYZmZWYMzwsMzyMzyYmZmZWmxYYG2wCAGgttxCmmZWGFAACgNmxYgNjhB

Use this

[lofty depot]

Fixed goldrinn proc?

[lucid olive]

No it still procs

[lofty depot]

Tragic

[rancid rampart]

Ty

[spice roost]

looking like no degen stuff thankgod thats gone i hope

[lofty depot]

Lol

[scarlet tapir]

Hey guys, sorry for the long text, but this is important.

With this week’s PTR patch notes going out, Bubbles is now being killed by Swampface without even an acknowledgment of what he meant to the community, and their justification that he was making the dungeon worse and treating it like a buff has gone too far. They aren’t listening to us, so we need to make them listen.

Anyone who believes what’s going on right now is an absolute injustice to Bubbles in general, i implore you, take to whatever social media platform you prefer with the hashtag #JusticeForBubbles, and keep doing so until they respond.

For Raiding folks also done with the way they treat content and their complete ignorance of our feedback, you can throw in #DeleteLockouts.

i DO NOT want to see any disrespect to anyone, no threats, none of that AT ALL. If i see it, you WILL be banned from this community. Our goal is to get them to hear us, nothing more.

Don’t spam on the blizz forums, please. You will get silenced there.

[pseudo merlin]

Hey guys, sorry for the long text, but this is important.

With this week’s PTR patch notes going out, Bubbles is now being killed by Swampface without even an acknowledgment of what he meant to the community, and their justification that he was making the dungeon worse and treating it like a buff has gone too far. They aren’t listening to us, so we need to make them listen.

Anyone who believes what’s going on right now is an absolute injustice to Bubbles in general, i implore you, take to whatever social media platform you prefer with the hashtag #JusticeForBubbles, and keep doing so until they respond.

For Raiding folks also done with the way they treat content and their complete ignorance of our feedback, you can throw in #DeleteLockouts.

i DO NOT want to see any disrespect to anyone, no threats, none of that AT ALL. If i see it, you WILL be banned from this community. Our goal is to get them to hear us, nothing more.

Don’t spam on the blizz forums, please. You will get silenced there.

[lofty depot]

@true viper stream

i see u in a key

[vital hound]

why didnt we get changed arctic

[scarlet tapir]

is that a question?

thats because boomkin is perfect

and is supposed to be like that

turbo brokie

[lofty depot]

we got changed

we didnt get communicated to

[vital hound]

noway

[true viper]

that was my last

gg

[lucid olive]

my dryad is afk gg

[crisp scaffold]

Hey guys, sorry for the long text, but this is important.

With this week’s PTR patch notes going out, Bubbles is now being killed by Swampface without even an acknowledgment of what he meant to the community, and their justification that he was making the dungeon worse and treating it like a buff has gone too far. They aren’t listening to us, so we need to make them listen.

Anyone who believes what’s going on right now is an absolute injustice to Bubbles in general, i implore you, take to whatever social media platform you prefer with the hashtag #JusticeForBubbles, and keep doing so until they respond.

For Raiding folks also done with the way they treat content and their complete ignorance of our feedback, you can throw in #DeleteLockouts.

i DO NOT want to see any disrespect to anyone, no threats, none of that AT ALL. If i see it, you WILL be banned from this community. Our goal is to get them to hear us, nothing more.

Don’t spam on the blizz forums, please. You will get silenced there.

[pearl fulcrum]

is a 681 Crafted ring better than the Cyrce's Circlet?

[pseudo merlin]

sim it

probably not

[maiden pasture]

in m+ its probs within margin if not an upgrade and so people run it cause stam

in raid very unlikely

[meager storm]

ggs

we are doing 0 dmg now

[exotic perch]

Get ready to learn cat buddy

Meow meow

[lucid olive]

its evoker tier

[lofty depot]

mroe like u doing no dam

skrtttttttttttt

[meager storm]

only 110mil

naur

[lofty depot]

now time to minmax the hotw tech

[lofty depot]

thoughts 🙂

[meager storm]

ac for?

[lofty depot]

only surge globals in ca 🙂

[meager storm]

u already do that with the talent that gives ap on the hero tree and foe

didnt need ac

i can not learn the name of it

something bloom

[lofty depot]

cats is shit

dont need

our talents do no dam

maybe take AK hmm

[vital hound]

bountiful or bountiess

or some shit

[lofty depot]

blud doesnt know how to spell

[lucid olive]

doing ptr keys is dreadful man

these guys dont know what their buttons do

[lofty depot]

that just means more damage for u

[lucid olive]

b ro

i just joined a group

[lofty depot]

wow ur toxic

fuggn leaver

[lucid olive]

i didn't even do anything it just showed up when i got invited to join them

??

[lofty depot]

SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[vital hound]

british english innit

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-squish-gif-16136532503569005934

[safe kite]

https://tenor.com/view/packing-city-gif-25067440

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/oOuxg61uddi.gif

[safe kite]

a harsh yellow

[lucid olive]

love roy keane

also not british

[scarlet tapir]

proper brexit tackle innit mate

[meager storm]

surely i got lucky

[safe kite]

I don't think anyone in the gif is British.

[vital hound]

up the ra

[scarlet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-face-cat-meme-face-cat-face-meme-gif-1942559384249480552

[safe kite]

It's an Irishman, Norweigian and Frenchman now all they have to do is walk into a bar, which is going to be hard to do when your knee is facing the wrong way.

[lucid olive]

it's a myth that Roy Keane ruined Alfie's career

it's an ugly tackle but if you've played football you'd recognize that it looks a lot worse than it actually is

[meager storm]

yeah this is dogsht

playing ec next testing

[safe kite]

Yea he played like 3 days later, the leg wasn't planted, if it was then it would have been some real nasty shit

[lucid olive]

yee

he had also been out with an injury in his other knee for months previously to that

[obsidian tapir]

bug ? =)))

[safe kite]

No, it's a robot

[lofty depot]

wow.. how did u do it

[obsidian tapir]

that shiet will get nerfed

[safe kite]

Right after the next rework of our talents for sure

[obsidian tapir]

=))) sure we get reworked

[safe kite]

Yea how else are we getting pulsar back?

[obsidian tapir]

fuck that

[lofty depot]

it already got nerfed

[obsidian tapir]

did they implement it already or its next reset ?

[safe kite]

Just think about how many dryads you could spawn to sit afk not casting with pulsar. You would have your own harem

[lofty depot]

yes its implemented

look at ur dryad damage

hint u wont have any

[obsidian tapir]

isnt that dyrads favor ?

[meager storm]

thats the cleave

[obsidian tapir]

or thats the starsurge crits

[meager storm]

no

[obsidian tapir]

ah

[meager storm]

thats the surge cleave

[obsidian tapir]

so dyrad is bugged and does not do anything

wow

[meager storm]

we can still hit the cap but prob just on amp'd bosses

[lofty depot]

i can hit the cap not on ampd bosses

[meager storm]

nuh uh

show me 11 mil buff

[lofty depot]

ac >

well 7m is the first

12 is the 2nd

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

can do a hotw pull one sec

is not hard bud

112m btw 🙂

[obsidian tapir]

😮

no way this will be in season 3 we turn into headshot surges

[lofty depot]

relooking at vod

i hit a 103 and a 112

[meager storm]

only 112m

[lofty depot]

GYATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[meager storm]

with 9 mil buff

so u are a liar

[lofty depot]

?

how am i a liar

[meager storm]

how u doing less dmg than me

with a full cap

[nova ocean]

So we are still doing pretty good 4pc damage even though the 2pc doesn't do shit?

[lofty depot]

im shit

fuggn idiot

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

think i use lily first

then use araz 2nd

hmm

[lofty depot]

what was ur dps at the end of ur ca there

[meager storm]

9 mil

[lofty depot]

hm

[meager storm]

u are prob not delaying the trees

so the ampd surges get the trees amp

thats why u are getting cap but small surges

[lofty depot]

foe trees ca surge

delayyyyyyyyyyy

[meager storm]

ca starfall starfall foe trees convoke bear surge

thats what i do

[lofty depot]

thatsssssssss

[lofty depot]

this is gonna be so fun

[vital hound]

[vital hound]

get me out

[lucid olive]

fun in keys

[lofty depot]

also seems weird ur doing that, im not doing bear thing on first ca and 7m cap

so need to do bear first ca

[frail sonnet]

what build ure using?

[delicate perch]

It’s gatekept

[delicate perch]

wtf is that

[lofty depot]

[delicate perch]

Delete that right now

[lofty depot]

AC GAMING

last tier was the wild mushroom cook

now its the AC cook

[delicate perch]

Does one button rotation use AC

it should right?

Asking for @drifting nova

[drifting nova]

air con?

idk bud

[vital hound]

definitely not

the last thing we need is AC

go cats

add more rng

= more fun

[lofty depot]

no

hate cats

generational cat hater

[pseudo merlin]

wait whats ac

[sick cargo]

A fun button

[lucid olive]

passive talent

[lofty depot]

fun talent

[pseudo merlin]

oh

ac good

[lofty depot]

hmm same avg but not 146m max :/

9m tho

[meager storm]

[vital hound]

[orchid roost]

So the tier is nerf to 30% of what it was?

[lofty depot]

to the dryad

but the dryad now does no damage cuz they forgot a flag or something

dont worry, tier set still bugged

maybe nextg week

[ripe slate]

weekly tab into dreamgrove and i read something about bear surge??

[lucid olive]

yes

the dmg cap for the 4pc is exactly 50% of ur max hp as the dryad despawns

[ripe slate]

L O L

[lofty depot]

were teching

[ripe slate]

if im pressing hotw as a dps cooldown in 11.2 im rerolling

[lofty depot]

o7

[lucid olive]

good thing hotw has 45 sec duration or some shit so can just press it at the start

[ripe slate]

you just know that hp based cap for dryad is because of some anti-rextroy shenanigans too

[lucid olive]

also be ready to flame your priest for not rebuffing fort quick enough

[lofty depot]

yea jsut press prepull

[lucid olive]

and assign your warriors to rally on your timings

[lofty depot]

its part of ur opener now

🙂

[ripe slate]

macroing into ca

[lofty depot]

its a gcd

cant

[ripe slate]

is it

fuck

[lofty depot]

lol

[loud kettle]

ya but ca isnt, checkmate

(do not do this)

[lofty depot]

LOL

so true bestie

[ripe slate]

its like im back in bfa

ca on the gcd

[lucid olive]

it can be if you pick OS

[loud kettle]

i dont.

[lucid olive]

no you pick berserk

checkmate

[loud kettle]

berserk is a good talent

[lucid olive]

11.2 PTR Stuff
Keeping up with tradition, me and some other members of the community wrote up some feedback on the WoW forums aimed for 11.2 and beyond, and also wrote up some feedback specifically for the tier sets currently on PTR.

11.2 & Beyond Feedback
Tier Set Feedback

[lucid olive]

@mighty mica pin

[pseudo merlin]

PLEASE

[lucid olive]

I think Blizzard changed some rules on the forums and I can't post links on there anymore

sadge

[cursive mirage]

So hot

[signal temple]

Elune's Chosen

[vital hound]

so incredibly well written

[vital hound]

we're*

blud can't spell

[lofty depot]

we dont use ' on the internets

[spice roost]

boomie back to bottom three

[nova ocean]

I don't think it's that bad lol

[spice roost]

first time?

[nova ocean]

Not even close

[lofty depot]

saying that while tier is still bug is pretty poggers

[spice roost]

thats going to be fixed

[lucid olive]

cope

[nova ocean]

They still might just rework our tier too

[drifting nova]

ever seen a chicken roar?

[lofty depot]

4 weeks out, x for doubt

[drifting nova]

tier is great why you dooming

[nova ocean]

Still don't know y they didn't post our changes on the blue post lol

[lucid olive]

Argus weapon acquired

[calm ibex]

I still don’t have the red one

And I did mythic while it was current

Was so depressed

[lofty depot]

same

[spice roost]

nows a good time to go get it

[lucid olive]

got the blue one and the Charhound on the same run

[spice roost]

@lucid olivedid incarn see any play in raid testing yet

that u noticed

gams btw oinly asking

[lofty depot]

Depends if u consider playing EC with incarn

But ye specifically only on soul hunters

[lucid olive]

sure if someone talented into it

you can probably sift through some logs and find someone playing incarn

people are mostly just testing random shit and seeing what sticks

[spice roost]

i been looking ya

[lucid olive]

tier set is giga bugged anywya so not like testing results from first week is going to matter much

[lofty depot]

Unless they fix the 2p it's not gonna matter next week either

[spice roost]

sets been bugged since beginning kinda sux that there is no idea how we are

[lofty depot]

I mean u don't have an idea til 2nd week of live regardless

[cloud plover]

nothing matters until it's out and splits are done and prog happens

[spice roost]

i would just like the 2 expac streak of boomy being bottom 3 to be over is all

or however long its been

[cloud plover]

[digital berry]

In what universe was boomy shit this tier? 100% meta in m+ and, while technically at the bottom of the st dps chart, it is only behind by a couple % of almost all dps classes

We suffer from never being shit in m+ unforch

[spice roost]

i was speaking about raid not keys

[digital berry]

Idk I’m almost always top 3 on the dps meter on reclears

Skill diff

[spice roost]

ur guild is a small portion of the player base

[digital berry]

I mean graphs don’t lie

[spice roost]

ur right

they dont

[drifting nova]

ackshully

[lofty depot]

rolls d20

[drifting nova]

if I was paid half as much as esports teams were for data interpretation

[drifting nova]

I'd be R I C H

[lofty depot]

fuck i need someone else to trol

[digital berry]

Literally within 5% of all dps classes but two on a purely st fight

[drifting nova]

...

[spice roost]

one fight and its still last your point

?

[drifting nova]

here, have the kekkers crown

you have vaulted past me

[digital berry]

Last doesn’t mean shit

?

[lofty depot]

im gonna be toxic

[drifting nova]

so regular tuesday?

[lofty depot]

but its thursday

[drifting nova]

actually friday, boss

[lofty depot]

innit

[drifting nova]

swing and a miss

[spice roost]

i just was saying it was bottom 3 in raid never said anything else

[digital berry]

Its bottom 3 in a perfect scenario where every single player is good, which is like never the case

[spice roost]

its across all %s

[digital berry]

Its across top 95 percentile

[lofty depot]

maybe the bottom parsers are just bad

too many peopel play balance

wcyd

[digital berry]

Even then the gap between classes are so small

80% of them are interchangeable in the hands of a decent player

Outside of the top 2

[mossy pond]

are we still starfalling on 2 targets + with the new tier set?

[spice roost]

new tier set is borked

[mossy pond]

i know 😦

[lofty depot]

will know im august

were even better on ST at max

just play better :/

[drifting nova]

1button rotato on top holy

[spice roost]

lol

[drifting nova]

(mythic logs bad stop looking at them)

[lofty depot]

guys were fucked

[drifting nova]

scorch at the bottom

where it belongs

do they even have scorch still

idk

[lofty depot]

fire? yes

[drifting nova]

I mentally checked out when they got funny 3 charge button

pheonix flames

[lofty depot]

interictal part of the execute rotation

[loud kettle]

Both druid dps on the bottom again sad

[lofty depot]

(fire blast)

pf isnt 3 charge anymore

its 2

[drifting nova]

oh wait it wasnt a new name

just a rework

huh

[lofty depot]

well they say inferno blast

or ib

but nonetheless yes

[drifting nova]

it sent a birb

it seemed like it did fuck all

but I am bad so

[digital berry]

Well it’s not used because it does dmg but it has like 100% crit rate or smth no

[lofty depot]

pf is better than firball, but still costs a gcd

so is bad

can do funny gaming of crit with firball and queuing a pheo flame

will always be a heating up sometimes a hot streak

[drifting nova]

last time I played fire mightve been 85

I lie, 86

[dense steeple]

ive ran 22 BoDs already

[drifting nova]

so you're..on rate?

[dense steeple]

nope!

5% per run

[drifting nova]

5?

[dense steeple]

the drop rate for dungeons and raid mounts are currently 5%

ive run 22 BoD's this week alone

[drifting nova]

easy mode holy

the luddites were right

[dense steeple]

nah

this buff good for the game

[drifting nova]

sucks I'm not subbed for it tbh

[dense steeple]

but im going to bed now

[drifting nova]

few I still want

[dense steeple]

im so tired

[tardy hare]

what tool is this?

oh you went to bed

[delicate perch]

https://completionism.net/

[tardy hare]

Thanks!

[hollow mist]

thank u people

[royal zenith]

Hate people

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

Not you tho!

[delicate perch]

[plush obsidian]

when a vdh says to beam into chain, do i just send it right away or wait for something to cast so i can interrupt it?

[lofty depot]

wait for a cast

depending on what the mob is

[calm ibex]

It’s because I’m a women isn’t it

Smh

[royal zenith]

not relevant

[pallid bay]

deux hating women..

[drifting nova]

just another tuesday

[hollow mist]

deux is an equal opportunity hater

[calm ibex]

True but that’s my favorite bit

[split coral]

if i have 100 celestial power whatever i forgot the name and im not in eclipse or lunar whatever should i still cast to go into a form or spend one like starfall then go to form

[twin lotus]

spend one

[calm ibex]

Ideally never be in that situation but you spend one

[twin lotus]

no changes on PTR yet for us? 🙂

nvm the bugged dryad lmao

[sudden flame]

[lilac citrus]

dryad only bugged when speccced into incarn right or is there something new havent tested it for a few days lol

[pallid bay]

huh

does the dryad work if you dont have incarn?

[lilac citrus]

yh it worked in my raid build

and i had convoke specced

[pallid bay]

proof?

[lilac citrus]

so he spawns if u press celestial alignment will test keys this weekend

dont have as im not home atm

[pallid bay]

i think its a she no?

[lilac citrus]

the one thing the dryad and the buff didnt have was a spell id so i could not make a wa

[pallid bay]

and she spawned regardless of having incarn or not before

[lilac citrus]

its nether since its a hing

[pallid bay]

are you saying that changed?

[lilac citrus]

it didnt spawn for me when i had inarn last week

it spawned for me when i had ca only

[pallid bay]

that hasnt been a bug for anyone else

[lilac citrus]

what was the bug for most people havent read it lol

[pallid bay]

that her surges dosnt do any damage unless you have the dryads favor buff

[lilac citrus]

oh that i didnt check the surges showed in my details tho

they did quite alot of damage

[tardy hare]

anyone know what is the name of those blue rings?

or the aoe that's left on the ground. I want to know how much it hits

[sudden flame]

hits for like 70% of your health

[tardy hare]

yeah it does

[twin lotus]

ofc you would know

[tardy hare]

I'm a dmg intake enjoyer

[twin lotus]

[maiden pasture]

Did not expect to launch twitter and see psybear and oi interacting

What the helly

[sudden flame]

haywire workshop

[sudden flame]

[tardy hare]

thanks!

Avg Hit 7.02m so it's almost excatly 70%!

[pseudo merlin]

Why are you going around getting hit by them

btw Mythictrap is a good source for stuff like this usually

[tardy hare]

cuz we can

"What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

[pseudo merlin]

The only thing you need to watch out for is when the lightning balls are on the floor

If there's no balls

Meaning clear ground or blue circles

That's when you pass

Ahead of the direction it's going

It's like 10x more free than it might appear

[tardy hare]

Yeah I try to go over before balls turn to danger

[lucid olive]

Oi got left on read too gg

[maiden pasture]

Rolled honestly

[twin lotus]

Victim complex

Honestly

But it's a good take that you can share builds and stuff.

No need for only the meta builds to be around.

[clever ibex]

How is balance looking now after the fix to the tier set on PTR? Anyone tested?

[lucid olive]

What fix

[woven haven]

I've been reading through the guides and trying to figure out if there is a build that works better with "small" pulls. The elune build does GREAT when you have a tank that utilizes it

But I'm not finding anything concrete about it. Help?

[lucid olive]

There isn't one really

Can take Convoke I guess

But that's about it

Moonkin doesn't do good if the tank pulls 3 mobs at a time

[woven haven]

Yea, I've noticed.

I was hoping I could mitigate it somewhat by picking different hero talents or trying a different build entirely but I don't know enough to fiddle on my own

[twin lotus]

tehy should give us tallents where we have starfall

but instead of stars falling, we have full moons dropping

that fixes starfall and full moon. Blizzard hire me

[woven haven]

Do we ever yse fullmoon?

[twin lotus]

or better yet, make convoke toggleable

you can just have it perma on

[pallid bay]

gg

[clever ibex]

Well nerf to dryad so guess they fixed the 200m surges

[livid jay]

are we next??

[royal zenith]

maybe they should

so they're not scared to buff our st

[livid jay]

but starfall already only does damage when you have like 4-5 of it up

could use a rework i guess

[royal zenith]

well

you will never know

[livid jay]

why

[royal zenith]

they want classes to have 'niches' and spread cleave aoe is balance druid's niche

[livid jay]

but we are bad at spread cleave aoe

its not even our niche anymore

[royal zenith]

but for balance druid specificaly, morgan has said they can't make our ST too good - else the class is op

ya

[livid jay]

shadow priest and warlock way better

[royal zenith]

they're a bit lost in their own design

AOE cap or not is kinda w.e.

[pseudo merlin]

balance is super fucking good at extremely large target super spreaded aoe 🙂

[royal zenith]

"Overall, the changes aren't world-ending for Unholy in AoE, but, they massively kneecap the specialization in one of the few niches it had left, mass AoE. "

basically the same for Balance

[pseudo merlin]

We will be insane once every 6 years when we have a nathria style council fight

[royal zenith]

large?

as in big target models...

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[royal zenith]

kek, not wrong

[pseudo merlin]

maybe they will give unholy ST instead

loljk

[royal zenith]

it's like

Balance druid is pretty doggy on a fight like OAB

which is supposedly something where we should shine

[pseudo merlin]

balance is good on stix

[royal zenith]

it will also be good on the council fight next tier

good thing it's an optional boss

...

[maiden pasture]

Optional boss with crazy loot tho

[livid jay]

which will also be removed from allstar logs

[lucid olive]

The Dryad is bugged and didn't do any damage unless it was affected by the 4pc where it did too much damage
They nerfed the Dryad so its Starsurge does less damage, but also fixed it so it doesn't benefit from the 4pc anymore
So now it does 0 damage outside of the Starfall on spawn

Honestly looks like some dev just saw a streamer do raid testing and saw the Starsurge Dryad when the guy hovered his details and went "oh we should nerf that"

[maiden pasture]

Is it tho, a fight where it's barely worth to even dot the mobs because they have to be killed fast isn't really balances niche.

Like affli and spriest are a bit diff cause of what they gain from multi dotting but I wouldn't consider OAB to be in balance druids niche

[pseudo merlin]

i mean

that's for sure what happened

i think we have enough evidence by now to say they do not in fact have their own metrics

[lucid olive]

Yeah unfortunate

[pseudo merlin]

content creators and 60th percentile hc logs

[royal zenith]

I dont think your opinion matters

[pseudo merlin]

that's how they balance the game

[royal zenith]

but I will entertain you

[maiden pasture]

My bad for conversing?

Dafuq

[royal zenith]

LMAO

[pseudo merlin]

look at robby williams over here

[royal zenith]

I'm kidding

calm down

[lucid olive]

Welcome to Deux

First time?

[royal zenith]

ikr

[pseudo merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-gala-robbie-williams-bravo-tvp2-gif-3265445269404513828

looks like 🦆 too

[royal zenith]

the reason I used supposedly is cause it's a spread cleave situation

but you're right about adds needing to die fast

the issue here is that a class like SP will also just perform really good on the 'actual' spread cleave fights

[lucid olive]

Moonkin isn't really good on spread cleave anymore

[royal zenith]

^

the point is that Blizzard says A they mean B but they do C

literally

[lucid olive]

It's good on Stix just for the explosive AOE it does during a 10 second window

And good on stacked AoE with EC

[maiden pasture]

Council of dreams because of spread adds,
council of blood because of all the shitters eveywherre,
primal council because stacked cleave,
prototype pantheon because of the massive distance between mobs that you still hit while hitting boss

Those niches are what balance druid SHOULD fit into imo

Those fit balance druids niche

[pseudo merlin]

Yes when nobody else is reasonably able to cleave or AoE because of massive distance on a large number of targets, starfall does well in those situations

[royal zenith]

well the reason I said "your opinion doesn't matter" cause ultimately it matters how blizzard sees the spec

which is very vague atm

[maiden pasture]

Just pull the plug and kill moonkin in m+ so we can be good and interesting in raid

[royal zenith]

the massive distance between adds is easily covered by dot specs

why does starfall exist at that point

[lucid olive]

I don't think we'd be good at Council of Dreams anymore

Losing Pulsar killed a lot of that niche

[royal zenith]

if it's good for killing shitters, what's the point... they're shitterS?

you want to do relevant damage

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[maiden pasture]

No pulsar no shooting stars from stellar flare

We would suck at council of dreams

[pseudo merlin]

Imagine if starfall would automatically apply dots

[lucid olive]

We didn't have Flare tech in Ammy D either

That was only in Vault

[royal zenith]

that's implying we wouldn't play flare on the next iteration

[lucid olive]

We spread Flare on Council for Waning

[royal zenith]

meanwhile people played flare in amidrassil

on the penultimate boss

[lucid olive]

People played Flare on Tindral?

[royal zenith]

oh

what's the beetle boss called again

[pseudo merlin]

beetle???

[maiden pasture]

Silken court in nerubar or what

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

Ringo?

[royal zenith]

me rn

[royal zenith]

this

[pseudo merlin]

the fuck is this guy yapping about

[maiden pasture]

Who tf played stellar flare on that even

[pseudo merlin]

that's a whole ass different expansion

[maiden pasture]

Was that a thing

[royal zenith]

Recruitie

[lucid olive]

Recruitie did

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

Yeah it wasn't bad either

[maiden pasture]

I mean people tried stellar flare multi dotting cauldron of carnage this season too

[royal zenith]

I don't see how that adds to the argument

but yes they did

[lucid olive]

Yeah, Flare wasn't really playable this season

[royal zenith]

you'd play smolder if stacked

if not flare could potentially be better

well wild surges I should say

[lucid olive]

Idk that's not really the choice

You'd still play Smolder with Flare

And Wild Surges just skyrocketed after the 30% Wrath buff

[royal zenith]

skyrocketed in what sense

proc rate or raw damage

[cloud plover]

Skyrocketed as in Skyrocketed

Obviosuly

[royal zenith]

can you just leave puppy

[lucid olive]

Went from being like a 0.2% difference to Flare to around 0.8%

[royal zenith]

difference in what...

[cloud plover]

ty for asking deux im having a good day how about u

[maiden pasture]

......

[lucid olive]

Flare usually pendulums on whether you can guarantee Waning in CDs

[maiden pasture]

Difference in dopamine gained

[clever ibex]

So I guess not being affected by 4p is a new bug then. Great 😅 gigabusted now?

[lucid olive]

It being affected by 4pc was probably a bug

But the most egregious bug is the Dryad Starsurge being purely visual

[hollow mist]

I'm glad ur having a good day sweetheart

[royal zenith]

well that's literally what I was talking about though

[lucid olive]

Ye but that's not the case anymore innit cause the Wrath buff makes Wild Surges better in general

[royal zenith]

seems a bit random to just randomly say % or numbers

you still want to force/have WT uptime

[twin lotus]

We had the mushroom proc from cooldown this tier to ensure it right?

[lucid olive]

Not if the Flare global does 0 dmg compared to just chucking another Wrath

[twin lotus]

Also this tier set really didn't help spread cleave at all as well

[royal zenith]

and I was asking what the numbers were

man nevermind

all good

[lucid olive]

Just the difference whenever you sim the ST talents

[clever ibex]

So with tuning, will EC yet again be the m+ pick?

[lucid olive]

Nobody knows

Ask in 2 months

[twin lotus]

I really like in PTR

the fact that we could delete mobs after dryad. Hope they keep that in

[royal zenith]

👀 the fuck

[twin lotus]

send CA blast , then just delete a mob

[royal zenith]

is that still the case tho

[twin lotus]

or two

If i understand correctly, they only changed the dryad, not the banking damage

[royal zenith]

unless..

[lucid olive]

Ye

[twin lotus]

Will try things out later today when I have time. I also have to continue cooking my EC talent build

[lucid olive]

I did an AraKara 13 last night on PTR and deleted some minibosses

[royal zenith]

yeah that's good shit

[twin lotus]

this will be giga M+ tech if it stays

[royal zenith]

okay calm down

calling it tech

[twin lotus]

make me

[lucid olive]

Pulled a pack on top of 2nd boss and peaked at like 28m dps

[royal zenith]

didn't expect less

[lucid olive]

Big funnel guy

[royal zenith]

from a FLAPGE master

[twin lotus]

yeah, tech might have been far fetched. I mean't they will do for us what they have been doing for arcane mages

[lucid olive]

Making a fun and interesting spec?

[royal zenith]

arn't arcane mages ultra blasting atm

[twin lotus]

Also you can't take away from me the flapge

[lucid olive]

God I hope we get arcane treatment

[twin lotus]

They just need to make things a bit more interesting as well. I feel like boomie is giga dull right now

[royal zenith]

welcome to the last 2 years of bamkin

if not more

[pseudo merlin]

what: designed to be very very good at single target and small target AoE but also for some reason excell at large target AoE?

[twin lotus]

Read the form post once again, hit the nail in the head. Well written @lucid olive

Is it actually better to cast builder than use non-starlord spenders at any scenario currently?

[pallid bay]

there's a lot of damage tied to starfire

you have smolder, umbral, umbral inspiration, 50% surge, currently it procs goldrinn as well, waning activation through smolder

this is not accounting for smolder or umbral

would have to account for execute time as well ofc

[pseudo merlin]

So that would be a DPET of 780 for surge and a DPET of 554 for STF

[round field]

No way you plugged the cd planner

@lucid olive dog

[lucid olive]

They changed the forums so I can't post links anymore, I was gonna just do [third party tools](dreamgrove link)

[sudden flame]

[pallid bay]

would also have to account for haste and dreamstate

[delicate perch]

I know (not sharing)

[pallid bay]

The general theme of this hero tree lands much better with Balance Druid players, with talents like Lunation offering some skill expression in reducing the cooldown of Fury of Elune.

isnt this just

press generator

like the skill expression is pressing your buttons

[pseudo merlin]

just checked my char real quick and this wouldve been with 20% haste but no dreamstate yeah

and then ofc due to the multiplicative nature of haste it would be further influenced

But that could go both ways because STF isn't going to hit the GCD cap but SS probably does already during lust(?)

[pallid bay]

close to it prob

depending on tree

[pseudo merlin]

and more stats next seaso

so we might be STFing over SS during lust at high gear levels

and purely SS for SL

[pallid bay]

this is a boss from testing

ignore goldrinn for now

17 casts of surge

37 hits

so 20 of those are from starfire

[lucid olive]

need to proc the 2pc

only procs when Starfire gens AP

[pseudo merlin]

oh thats true

well then starfall

🙂

[pallid bay]

so thats what

39M from 17 casts

[pseudo merlin]

We need a version of FoE that's breath of sindragosa fed

[eager raft]

🙅‍♀️

[pallid bay]

2.29M per cast

[pseudo merlin]

everything will be fine

we have 2 months

[royal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-cat-gif-26187899

[round field]

Wait does the new tier

Make it so u dont surge

And perma starfire

[round field]

Breath is no longer rp fed tho

Big w

[pallid bay]

[pseudo merlin]

possibly

[round field]

Dev needs to get hit by ambessa r

In game of course

[lucid olive]

ramping into Big Momma in Floodgate kinda fun

deleted that boss

[maiden pasture]

Skill expression is pressing moonfire as movement global if you have nothing else to press

[pseudo merlin]

I mean it comes down to how you define skill expression

If you compare yourself to the vast majority of players, ABC is absolutely skill expression

[signal temple]

Chicken firin ma lazar

[pallid bay]

What's dryads favor, did they separate the buff dmg

[maiden pasture]

Yeah I mean the skill expression in wow is being able to do your rotation while doing mechanics, and ig the whole foe CDR offering skill expression is the same as pulsar, you're just punished even more for not pressing buttons

[pseudo merlin]

yup

that's been baked into moonkin design for a while now

which would be fine if it didnt also make you hurt more compared to other specs in forced downtime

[lucid olive]

its the aoe of the surge

[pallid bay]

oh right

[plucky valley]

Man I love Bamerkin

[pseudo merlin]

i love pvp

[plucky valley]

Oh there’s still pvp in this game?

[mighty mica]

most of #pvp is playing other games, so probably not

[pseudo merlin]

solo shuffle is the best designed game mode in the history of online gaming

But still the engagement with pvp is very low overal

Imagine having to deal with balancing PVP and PVE in an mmo with so many specs

Solo shuffle fixes both the problems of getting queued with idiots as well as the problems between comp/spec balance

Because you're always playing every combination

It's genius

And I'm not the kind of person who compliments Blizzard

[plucky valley]

PERIOD T !

[dense girder]

how does druid feel in m+ on ptr atm ?

[lucid olive]

its fun

[maiden pasture]

Based

[leaden birch]

bro what is this shit

I don't see anything in oribos

???

[vital hound]

what

[leaden birch]

i have no fp

bunch of npcs are missing

[vital hound]

gg delete character ig

[leaden birch]

how did blizzard fuck this up so bad

I literally finished SL on my main when it was current

[pseudo merlin]

skill issue probably

[late gorge]

ec of kotg on ptr for m+?

[lucid olive]

try them both and see what you enjoy more

i did keys with both and got around the same overall

[late gorge]

ok ty

[shut trench]

is their a bug in ptr where u can 4x stack the buff in incarn

(surges buff)

[weary berry]

Hi using shadowed unit frames does anyone know how to change the two prowl icons and the 1 under my health bar?

[lucid olive]

elaborate

4 times probably not

you can carry it through 3 instances of CA

but thats not really realistic outside of a council boss

[shut trench]

for example if we incarn and incarn again b4 the dryad fades off

does the buff stack up and reset its duration

[lucid olive]

you get the buff from the 1st dryad instantly

and then spawn a 2nd dryad

[shut trench]

oh

[lucid olive]

but you can have 2 dryads up at the same time

[shut trench]

i think this should be fixed

xD

[lucid olive]

why

that would mean you'd have to press CA twice in its duration

and CA duration doesn't stack

[shut trench]

i dont believe this is how the tier set was intedned to be played, ppl are just gonna abuse this now and play around 2x incarns all the time

[lucid olive]

huh

[shut trench]

so u have explosive damage every 3m where u press 2x incarns and be bascially a stick untill both are back up again

[loud kettle]

they fixed bug

rest in peace 100 million surges

[lucid olive]

thats not what hes talking about i think

also i ripped a 260m surge on big momma earlier so idk

[loud kettle]

you ripped?

nice

[shut trench]

it is and its not at the same time

but their is noway they letting this go

[lucid olive]

i don't see the issue

if you want to do good dmg every 3 minutes

or a little less damage every 1 minute

what does it matter

[shut trench]

thats not good dmg thats overtuned dmg , to be able to pump a total of 400m+ surges in an instant

but u aint following what im saying

im not saying surges should be nerfed

[lucid olive]

yeah you're not making a lot of sense

[shut trench]

im saying that the 2nd incarn should not end the 1st dryad and give u buff instantly where it gives u the chance to stack it and refresh the duration

[lucid olive]

but Incarn duration doesn't stack

so you will never press CA/Incarn while already in CA/Incarn

cause you're griefing CA/Incarn uptime doing that

if anything on council boss you could press CA/Incarn when the buff is about to fall off (the 4pc buff lasts 45 seconds) and then carry it through a 1 minute + ramp

but you won't really do that realistically

And if you press both charges of CA in a 20-30 second window as a big 3 minute ramp, does that matter?

[obsidian tapir]

what was the talents you use ?

[lucid olive]

idk i just clicked some shit

[shut trench]

do ppl actually like this playstyle of being a stick for 3m straight like venthyr boomy

[lucid olive]

take the Stix build and then remove some stuff to get FoE and RM

[raw fox]

Damn a lot of dmg every 3 minutes and then doing nothing

Damn

Never seen such iteration of boomie

[lucid olive]

you can choose whether to do good dmg every 3 minutes or good dmg every 2 minutes

[shut trench]

diiff taste ig

[lucid olive]

i don't see the issue really

thats at least a choice

it's not like you do any big dmg outside of CDs now either

this is Sprocket on live

[obsidian tapir]

at least you feel a bit better now criting that hard

[lucid olive]

it's impossible to know for sure what the best playstyle will be anyway

the dryad is mega bugged on PTR and just stands there AFK

your 4pc dmg is overtuned

and there aren't any sims available

[shut trench]

lol

sniped

[dense steeple]

classic players are unhinged man

3 minutes into cataclysm classic mop starting zone, at level 2 i got hit with a behavioral warning for innappropriate communications

apparently its just a thing that theyre camping out in starting zones and mass reporting players they believe to only be there for retail rewards

[lucid olive]

somaloria the slur slinger

[dense steeple]

i didnt even speak to anyone

[grizzled shoal]

welcome to classic

they hate retail players

[dense steeple]

classic needs to be nuked

[lucid olive]

you see hate towards retail from classic players way more than you see it the other way around

[dense steeple]

actual dogshit idiots giving the poor gamer dads bad names

[lucid olive]

what about rich gamer dads

why they gotta be poor

[dense steeple]

by poor i mean the guys who are getting lumped in with the toxic condiments who think classic is harder than retail