yeah thats like 3.5
#Pathfinder
steel cobalt
clever wigeon
the 1e thing of "my level 2 rogue has a +47 to stealth"
steel cobalt
but bonuses of different "types" stack fine, right
so i just need to find enough types
clever wigeon
yep
there are three types, one of which is static and from equipment and two of which are generally conditional
status, circumstance, and item
item bonuses come from, well, items
steel cobalt
oh wow, thats bad
clever wigeon
they're your +1 runes, your skill bonuses, etc.
i mean
again, it's for system balance
steel cobalt
wait, do multiple status effects also not stack
clever wigeon
it's so you can't buff yourself into the stratosphere and fight a PL+8
uh, depends on what you mean by status effects?
steel cobalt
im assuming "status" is similar to dnd "conditions"
clever wigeon
you can have any number of buff spells at the same time, as long as they don't conflict for some reason or another
a lot of debuffs come in the form of numerical penalty conditions: Enfeebled (STR), Clumsy (DEX), Drained (CON), Stupefied (all mental), Frightened (all), and Sickened (all)
all of these provide status penalties, and as such the numerical debuffs do not stack with each other
steel cobalt
so like, if i knock somebody prone, for example, and then cast a spell on them that also causes a roll penalty, would it just use whichever is stronger/more recent, or would that stack
clever wigeon
prone provides circumstance penalties, not status
steel cobalt
im unsure if prone exists in 2e but im just going off the first condition i can think of
clever wigeon
so it would stack with Frightened
steel cobalt
oh ok
i was mixing up the two: i assumed conditions were status and spells were circumstantial
clever wigeon
for bonuses and penalties of the same type, you go off whichever is greater
as an example
steel cobalt
are there spells or effects that cause roll penalties without tying it to a keyword like frightened or stupefied or somethin
clever wigeon
there are vanishingly few untyped bonuses or penalties
because those, being untyped, stack with each other
almost all of these are self-imposed penalties
steel cobalt
astounding. I'm assuming there isn't a comprehensive list or search for those
clever wigeon
such as barbarian's Rage imposing a -1 untyped penalty to their own AC
there is not, because a whole 0 of these are on debuffs
steel cobalt
equally astounding.
clever wigeon
if there were, they would have been errata'd out
steel cobalt
ech
clever wigeon
but yes, let's say i'm a cleric that wants to bash someone in the noggin
steel cobalt
oh yeah quick question: im gonna assume stat damage didn't make it over to this edition, it was always my favorite thing in 3.5
clever wigeon
I can cast Guidance to give myself a +1 status bonus, flank with an ally (or have someone trip the enemy) to provide Flat-Footed, imposing a -2 circumstance penalty, and then Demoralize to inflict Frightened, imposing a -1 (or possibly -2) status penalty
if i'm lucky, I even have an ally providing the Aid action for a circumstance bonus
all of these add up to about a 30% increased chance to hit and crit
clever wigeon
oh yeah quick question: im gonna assume stat damage didn't make it over to this ...
no, there's no stat damage
steel cobalt
damn
clever wigeon
the conditions i listed replaced them
steel cobalt
im gonna assume that spell-specific control effects do not use these status conditions a majority of the time
clever wigeon
control effects?
steel cobalt
like, spell effects that cause something to happen but do not inflict a named condition. Things like spike growth, wall of force, etc
clever wigeon
ah, battlefield control
it depends, but no, field effects often don't interact with conditions
for example
however, other field effects do
it just depends
steel cobalt
2 quick questions:
1.) it seems like most feats are basically abilities that exist in a vacuum and do not interact with other abilities. Is there a place I can look for feats that actually modify things and cause interactions?
2.) from the limited searching I did, it seemed like buffing allies was a particularly potent thing to do. Are there any major buffs (like bless and paladin aura from dnd 5e) that I should check out for? I heard talk about a reaction to reduce damage to allies, but there were no specifics to tell me what to look up about it besides that Champions could do it.
clever wigeon
all three of the Good champion causes (subclasses) have their own personal at-will reactions
that they can perform to massively reduce all damage an ally takes from an attack, along with providing a powerful secondary effect
steel cobalt
at-will as resource cost or time cost?
clever wigeon
at-will as resource cost or time cost?
at-will, meaning neither
steel cobalt
very good, it seems like reaction (the action type) is at a premium
clever wigeon
mm
it depends
Attack of Opportunity remains an incredibly powerful reaction on the PCs and NPCs that can get it
steel cobalt
https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx?ID=6
yeah, this was the one discussed
clever wigeon
champions have their own extraordinarily powerful reactions, as you can see
and some classes have other things to do
but not all are as powerful as AoO or champ's reactions
steel cobalt
the theorycrafting I was seeing was using thaumaturge mirror to spread out auras and buffs to wider ranges, keeping the self further away while letting your defensives be used on the mirror because it counts as an ally
clever wigeon
so if you want to do the most powerful support things, champion or bard are likely your best bets
mirror thaumaturge is very unique and very strong, but auras are mostly the domain of champions and a few archetypes
those being Marshal https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=66
steel cobalt
something about regalia+mirror
clever wigeon
and Overwatch https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=109
champions have the exceptionally powerful Aura of Courage https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=223
(Frightened is very common, and as I mentioned before, applies its status penalty to all checks and DCs)
steel cobalt
it caught my eye because this system seems similar to 4e in my original looking, and i played a psion in a 4e campaign who could exist in like 3 places at once
clever wigeon
(this includes attack rolls, skill checks, saving throws, AC, and perception)
steel cobalt
i would check over psychic, but it seems complex and I haven't seen anyone discuss it excelling at control options
clever wigeon
(as well as offensive spell DC, defensive target DCs, and basically everything else that isn't a flat check)
steel cobalt
i assume most higher-level enemies are totally immune to frightened
clever wigeon
i would check over psychic, but it seems complex and I haven't seen anyone discu...
psychic has the occult list, and as such is natively extremely good at personal control
clever wigeon
i assume most higher-level enemies are totally immune to frightened
no
steel cobalt
oh interesting
clever wigeon
basically only mindless creatures and like
Tarrasque
or a couple extremely "mentally fortified" creatures
steel cobalt
so it doesn't take the 5e approach to control effects of "strong monsters ignore them"
clever wigeon
are immune to frightened
correct
the game is designed to be interacted with, not just interacted with until hard monsters appear
a PL+4 creature doesn't need to be immune to everything to flatten your dicks
it just crits you on an 11 for half your HP or something
because of the way the system's per-level accuracy math works, "being higher level" innately makes everything you do safer and better against lower-level creatures
which means a PL+3 or PL+4 boss is that much more likely to shrug off everything you do
which, in turn, means you need to be playing tactically and as a group
steel cobalt
here's a weird but important question, might be tricky:
how is damage when compared against control and buff/debuff effects
that is, 2 parts:
1.) how many turns does it usually take to get rid of an enemy of medium/normal strength
2.) if you invest highly into personal DPR, can you reliably remove enemies before they get a turn
steel bobcat
My limited experience with the system wants me to say no, not generally an on level threat
steel cobalt
because in a game like 3.5 or 4e, damage barely matters in comparison to locking down and stopping a foe
clever wigeon
here's a weird but important question, might be tricky:
how is damage when comp...
1 - it entirely depends
2 - ...i don't want to say "it entirely depends" again, but
against a PL0 threat, no
steel cobalt
ok that means damage isnt worth it
clever wigeon
against a PL+1 or higher creature
steel bobcat
threats weaker than you yes, i've already seen it happen even at just level 1-2
clever wigeon
lmao no
steel cobalt
all in on control effects
steel cobalt
ill let my party do the damage
steel bobcat
but an on level creature is like, on level
steel bobcat
but then you're playing a magus
clever wigeon
and you crit with a top-level spell slot
steel cobalt
yeah i did see magus memes
steel bobcat
and you'll end up with just as many wasted turns as you will "oh my god you just one shot the boss???" turns
clever wigeon
magus is a very volatile class with the highest single-round burst in the game
steel cobalt
as far as i can tell, it casts spells on-hit, and also smites
clever wigeon
and also a solid chance to fuck up and lose your turn and all of its resources
steel cobalt
which tracks
clever wigeon
the smite is the spells on hit
steel cobalt
oh the on-hit spells are all damage
clever wigeon
Magus' unique gimmick is Spellstrike, which is an activity that lets it staple an attack roll spell to a Strike
steel cobalt
wait, do you choose to expend the slot when you hit or when you attack
clever wigeon
and use the final result of the Strike for the spell
clever wigeon
wait, do you choose to expend the slot when you *hit* or when you *attack*
attack
it's an activity
that casts the spell
that's why it's all-in
it's not just safe for no reason
steel cobalt
nevermind, ignoring magus for now. Lack of knowledge about system + meme gambling class = issues
clever wigeon
because you can do massive damage, and are both a full martial and a full caster
it's not a meme class
it's just more volatile in its damage than a fighter or barbarian
you can play it extremely simply and get value out of it
steel cobalt
i highly value guarantees in ttrpgs, so ill stick to something more consistent for a first-time
clever wigeon
if you want a class with maximum consistency, you want to play a Fighter, a flurry Ranger, or a Bard
steel cobalt
what do bards do in this game
clever wigeon
they bard
steel cobalt
are they full-casters like in 5e
clever wigeon
very hard
they're full casters, yep
occult spell list, which is the most debuff-focused list
steel cobalt
i assume they have buffing abilities that are not spells
clever wigeon
no, they have special class-locked music-spells that buff
and some others that debuff
steel cobalt
class-locked?
clever wigeon
some classes have unique cantrips, and almost all casters have unique focus spells
(which are, since you mentioned you played 4e, the equivalent of encounter powers)
clever wigeon
which takes an action, a vast majority of spells are not Sustained
the ones that are are things like
"extremely powerful sustained debuffs"
and summon spells
steel bobcat
let me introduce you to the joy that is alchemist
clever wigeon
most buff spells, most debuff spells, and nearly all field control spells are not Sustained
steel cobalt
how long are average durations then
clever wigeon
but yes, Bard's initial unique cantrip is Inspire Courage, which just provides a minor status bonus to all attack and damage rolls, and saves against fear, in a truly ridiculous aura
this is often underestimated
it is also extraordinarily powerful
clever wigeon
how long are average durations then
usually a minute
steel cobalt
yup. People consistently underestimate bless and similar effects
clever wigeon
combat effects are usually either a round, a minute, or instantaneous
steel cobalt
usually a minute
oh excellent, i was afraid u were gonna say 1 round
steel cobalt
very good
steel cobalt
i can also see that heroism will be outclassed by other buffs
clever wigeon
which means that if you know you're going to be going into a couple fights in a row, and especially if you have time to prebuff before the first one, it can last you three or four encounters
clever wigeon
i can also see that heroism will be outclassed by other buffs
nope, best all-around buff in the game
steel cobalt
really, there arent alot of +2 or higher status buffs to hits or saves?
clever wigeon
basically nothing ever gets past a +3 status, heroism is on-par at about all available spell levels, and it hits
literally everything
steel bobcat
they do exist, but usually they're more narrow
is my experience
the higher the bonus the more narrow the impacted area
clever wigeon
and most of them don't even pass +3
steel bobcat
and even then they seem to be reserved for like, quite high tier stuff for the most part
clever wigeon
there are a couple things that hit +2 a spell level early or two, or +4 really late
but it's not just
6th-level spell that gives a +4 status to attack rolls
steel bobcat
guidance still out here being a G
clever wigeon
Guidance fucks
clever wigeon
'cause it's not spammable!
steel cobalt
interesting, these bonuses seem really low for a system without bounded numbers
clever wigeon
and because it's not a d4 in a lower-number system lmao
steel bobcat
well it is, just not on the same target
clever wigeon
interesting, these bonuses seem really low for a system without bounded numbers
like I said, it's not a system without bounded numbers
steel bobcat
lmao
stable ferry
interesting, these bonuses seem really low for a system without bounded numbers
they numbers matter more with the crit rule
every +1 is a 10% chance to crit increase
clever wigeon
that's a very common mistake people make
they think
"oh, the numbers get bigger, so the bonuses should get bigger too"
but no
2e is a lot more faithful to the idea of bounded accuracy than 5e is
steel cobalt
admittedly, that is how 3.5 and 4e work
clever wigeon
it just applies it on a by-level basis
steel cobalt
oh god
steel bobcat
the core numbers get pretty wack, like skills innate scaling is 
steel cobalt
disgusting
clever wigeon
rather than an overarching system basis
so a +1 is always the same value
a +2 is always +10% to succeed or crit
steel bobcat
shit everything that gets proficiency has some tasty scaling tbh
steel cobalt
so, whats the numerical difference between me, john dirtfarmer, who picked up a sword, and chad dragonlayer, who is hyper-specialized as far as you can go into the art of the blade. Assume we are the same level
clever wigeon
uh
John Dirtfarmer would not be the same level
that's the difference
John Dirtfarmer would be a level 1 peasant
level 3, maybe
steel cobalt
john dirtfarmer works out at the library
steel bobcat
chad dragonlayer also probably has things that aren't numerical bonuses working for him
clever wigeon
Chad Dragonslayer would be level 17 and crit John Dirtfarmer on a natural 2
steel bobcat
like he may do extra damage specifically to dragons, or have special manuevers or features that he can only use on dragons
clever wigeon
would also crit on a natural 1, but 1s and 20s change the degree of effect by 1
so he'd just normally hit the farmer
probably for about 11 times farmer's maximum hp, killing him instantly
steel bobcat
also yeah, crits aren't just nat 1s and nat 20s, that's a big deal lol
steel cobalt
im asking, if the bonuses are so low and the numbers scale by-level, are two characters of the same level going to vary by a large degree in things one specializes in but the other doesnt, because that seems like it wouldn't make sense
steel bobcat
yes, because there are things beyond numerical bonuses that are work, there are also like
reliable talent esque features you can invest in
clever wigeon
and, on top of that
steel bobcat
or things that make it so that if you roll say, a Failure, you instead get the results of a Success
clever wigeon
the numerical bonuses you do get and can invest in
steel bobcat
or if you roll a success, you instead critically succeed
clever wigeon
even when those are "only" +4 vs your buddy
when your buddy has a +25 to something and you have a +29
well
you have a 20% higher chance of succeeding
assuming it's not something trivial for the both of you
steel bobcat
adjusting what you get from different degress of success is something the game does a lot
clever wigeon
like climbing a ladder
steel bobcat
so a success from someone specialized in it may have the same results as a critical success for everyone else
steel cobalt
this seems like it would be quite complex to DM and without much option for making enemies that vary and still are on-level
clever wigeon
it's actually quite smooth to GM!
steel bobcat
also, assurance is a level 1 feat
steel cobalt
how's the homebrew scene
clever wigeon
it's crunchier than a lot of people like to run 5e
steel bobcat
which gives you 10 + prof bonus as a flat replacement to your roll
for any skill you're at least trained in
clever wigeon
(not especially crunchier than 5e, but that's a different story)
but
everything kind of just
works
steel bobcat
that goes a long way for shit like what you're asking
clever wigeon
and flows into each other
steel bobcat
especially because DCs aren't generally "whatever the DM says it should be"
clever wigeon
yeah, Assurance isn't good at saying "oh, i can never fail against on-level challenges"
but it does mean that you can just
never fail against things even a couple levels under you
where your buddy would
or might, at least
steel cobalt
actually, a good way to get a feel might be to ask what the common criticisms of the system are
steel bobcat
DCs are generally defined and regulated, so a task of X difficulty will generally always have a base dc of 15
So far i have none
clever wigeon
uhhhhhh
i definitely have some but i can't think of them at the moment
and none of them are big
steel bobcat
had i to pick one
steel bobcat
some of the interactions between skills and status conditions in battle
can be a bit messy
not because it's hard or anything, it can just be a lot
there's def a lot steeper of a learning curve than 5e
though i think it's one worth overcoming
the three action system is clean
also i haven't used any drugs or poisons yet but the onset rules scare me a little
I'm pretty sure i understand them, but they still scare me a little
steel cobalt
ive heard people discuss an issue where it's complex to find a thing to consistently do with your third action. Is that actually true, or are people just bad at picking useful single-action abilities
steel bobcat
uhh, i've not had a ton of trouble with it
clever wigeon
it's not complex, it's just something that requires thought
steel bobcat
but i do get how it could be an easy trap to fall into
clever wigeon
and by that I mean
steel bobcat
usually your first two actions are synergistic
clever wigeon
there are a lot of very good, very easy things to do with your third action
steel bobcat
set up your attack, move to enable using a potion or a spell
steel cobalt
oh ok, people are paralyzed by options
steel bobcat
use a skill action to enable someone else
clever wigeon
but most of them require the knowledge that they're there
steel bobcat
nono, i think one big thing is that like
steel bobcat
there's not always a best option for your third action
clever wigeon
"oh yeah, Demoralize is good"
steel bobcat
in my experience
clever wigeon
"Bon Mot is good"
steel bobcat
there's always like, some good options
clever wigeon
"being a sword-and-board character nets you Raise a Shield"
steel bobcat
but for the most part it's just picking what flavor of good you prefer
clever wigeon
"you can always invest in medicine to heal your allies"
steel bobcat
like yeah skill actions are crazy good, or just recall knowledge all the time everytime
hell, attack
steel bobcat
literally what the fuck do you have to lose
unless you're someone using guns that isn't a gunslinger
then a lot
steel cobalt
im gonna assume there are not auto-pick low-level spells like there are in 5e, things like shield/absorb elements/silvery barbs that just outclass and invalidate tons of other options
steel bobcat
then you have a lot to lose
clever wigeon
which means between Diplomacy and Intimidation for charisma, Medicine and some knowledge skills for wisdom, and the rest of the knowledge skills for intelligence
you've got usable third actions right there
steel bobcat
ah yeah there's one thing i lik
medicine is good
like, good enough that first aid training is a mandatory process
...i mean i'm making it a mandatory process for my group
steel cobalt
ye the only other person in the party that has discussed their build is thinking of a medicine investigator
clever wigeon
im gonna assume there are not auto-pick low-level spells like there are in 5e, t...
uh, at level 1 this shit https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=44
is fucking nutty
Incapacitation spells are usually bonkers OP
steel bobcat
if the doctor says you're learning to bind your own wounds, you're learning to bind your own wounds whether i teach you or you learn after i won't fix you
clever wigeon
because they're way harder to land against bosses
steel cobalt
now this is what im lookin for
clever wigeon
Incap is the design trait that says
"hey, you want to do broken shit? cool, but it'll still be balanced"
Incapacitation means anything with a higher level than it takes a degree of success one better
steel cobalt
oh thats lame as fuck
clever wigeon
which means you can't just nug bosses with the absurdly powerful fail and critfail effects of incap spells
but the success and fail effects are strong, and you can (if spending top-level slots) use them to decimate on-level enemies
steel bobcat
what i'm getting from this is that PF2e sounds like it might be too well made of a system for you
lol
clever wigeon
yeah
steel cobalt
actually sorta, ye
clever wigeon
it sounds like you want to play 3-action 3rd edition
but paizo's learned from 1e that there's uh
a lot to break if you're not careful
and so they're careful now
and the system doesn't really break
steel cobalt
generally when i get into a new system i have to specify to munchkins that i am not looking for some stupid broken OP nonsense, I'm looking for areas of the system that aren't as well constructed or interact with each other in very unintended ways to do something funny and dumb
in 3.5 and 4e those were really simple, i could literally just play mostly regular characters because of how much nonsense is in those systems
and i could just be like "oh ye, these 5 psion feats and 2 fighter feats mean i can slip-n-slide people like 50 feet at-will"
or "stat-damage rays are my only damage options, i dont need any others"
it seems like im gonna have to hit the books with this one and find shit that's poorly worded, not intended to be multiclassed, or most likely things that interact oddly with perhaps allies
maybe summoning/hiring someone to use buffing actions might be a start.
steel bobcat
i feel like your best bet would be dipping into the Uncommon and Rare content then
steel cobalt
because i know that the action economy here basically ignores lower-level creatures because they can't do much, but non-roll abilities on those creatures that buff nearby allies might be an option
steel bobcat
not that those are intrinsically stronger or anything, but they do tend to be more...
unique
steel cobalt
perfect. I did see like a "rarity" system and didnt understand it at all
steel bobcat
so pf2e assumes the setting is Golarion
and everything on there is grounded in golarion
steel cobalt
i think the DM wants to use their own setting
steel bobcat
and stuff that exists but is uncommon, or might only exist in one adventure rather than as a staple of the world is usually classified in the Uncommon or Rare catagories
oh no, transplanting stuff is super easy
that's just context for the rarity system
steel cobalt
interesting, does the system have any mechanical use
steel bobcat
Not really, but kinda
technically anything that is uncommon or rare is not a default player option
it requires DM permission
there are a scant few things that skew that rule, because certain character creation options like class, birthplace, background etc and all that
can make things that are uncommon common for you specifically
like characters from Alkenstar (steampunk gun city) get access to guns
and can choose guns for things like starting weapons and all that, where other characters technically can't without DM permission
steel cobalt
...why are there 4000 feats
steel bobcat
because feats make the world go round
clever wigeon
feats the core system of modularity and player choice
steel bobcat
feats are a core part of pf2e progression
clever wigeon
(except for casters' spells)
steel bobcat
i think most characters end up with like
3 feats?
4?
at first level
some even more
steel bobcat
a level 1 pf2e character unironically has more things to do than a level 10 5e character most of the time
steel cobalt
wait, can i sort them by rarity maybe
steel bobcat
that won't make a difference lol
steel cobalt
or like, filter out all the level 11+ ones
steel bobcat
like i said, rarity doesn't really correlate to power
they're usually just more unique
cedar condor
You might want to use something like pathbuilder
Uncommon and rare are ask your dm more often than not.
steel cobalt
oh yeah another question, u use "dedication" feats to multiclass, right
can you do that more than once
steel bobcat
yes, with some restrictions
steel cobalt
mmmk
steel bobcat
"Special You cannot select another dedication feat until you have first gained two other feats from the inventor archetype."
steel cobalt
good to know, it was only once in 4e
steel bobcat
most multiclass dedications have something like that mixed into them
cedar condor
Each will specify which, some are different.
steel bobcat
it's worth noting that taking a multiclass dedication does mean you're spending your class feats there instead of on your actual class feats
which are generally really quite good
cedar condor
When playing a campaign, each level it'll be more manageable, and you'll never have dead levels
steel cobalt
ok dedication feats are also like subclasses on top of classes
because theres ones here that make u a ghost and shit
steel bobcat
it's more that they're more about many different ways to specialize
some are based around specific weapons, some specific skills
some about part of a specific organization
wanna be a vampire?
technically you can do that
clever wigeon
most multiclass dedications have something like that mixed into them
(technically, multiclass dedications are just the class ones)
(but all archetypes have that caveat)
(except the ones that have a slightly looser version of the caveat)
steel bobcat
boy you're not gonna want to once you read the vampire archetype rules, but you can
clever wigeon
where you can archetype into a couple other related things
like Beast Gunner for the Spellshot class archetype
or the full Hellknight archetypes for the armiger
cedar condor
Well. Generally come up with a character concept and build to it.
Or say I want to make this idea and fit to it.
steel cobalt
usually what i do is find a unique or jank mechanical hook, and then come up with a character concept around that
cedar condor
The lower bound of 2e's power is still quite high and common sense generally prevails
Jank is incredibly subjective.
Better just come up with a really out there fantasy idea and you should have an above average chance of being able to fit to it.
steel cobalt
do u guys have like, at least a normative dpr curve like how 5e uses the EB+AB baseline
clever wigeon
uhh, not really
dpr varies so heavily by what class is fighting what enemy
since monsters can have a few different defense values for their level
and different classes perform differently against like
PL0 enemies vs PL+2 vs PL+4
and caster/alchemist damage always depends a lot on whether they can target an enemy's weaknesses
and for casters, whether they can target the enemy's weak save
for martials, it also depends on whether the enemy has Low, Moderate, High, or Extreme AC for its level, and ranger vs fighter vs barb vs thaumaturge etc. all have super different projected dpr against all of these different values
stable ferry
God, prob the biggest thing stopping me from converting my game to 5e is how much fking work it is to make an ancestry
steel cobalt
1500 feats later, my eyes hurt
steel cobalt
yo @clever wigeon do u know of any way to get a second implement if you don't main-class thaumaturge
clever wigeon
nope, you can only get access to one
steel cobalt
is it just me or are gnomes kinda nuts
steel bobcat
truth be told i have willingly blacked out that PF2e even features anything to do with the G-word
steel cobalt
...what
srsly tho between the three different racial feat reactions to avoid damage, only one of which is restricted in uses, it seems like gnomes are incredibly durable
steel cobalt
oh yo i just realized something
what movement options exist as reactions/free reactions when someone tries to hurt you
like, a 5-foot step on being targeted, or something similar
i see one from celebrity and id like to know if anyone knows of more
normal badger
Are there any ancestries in PF2e other than tieflings that have horns?
normal badger
Also, as a sidenote, I think it's dumb that a feat called "Beastbrood" specifically gives society-related benefits 
next dune
It's a versatile heritage
next dune
alrighty
clever wigeon
Are there any ancestries in PF2e other than tieflings that have horns?
ifrit can have horns
and there's even a level 1 feat that makes them explicitly look like tieflings
clever wigeon
i see one from celebrity and id like to know if anyone knows of more
also uhh i missed this and there's
and of course this one, if it's coming from an ally https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx?ID=7
steel cobalt
oh god
lol
lmao
that second one is actually perfect
doesnt even cost a reaction, amazing
oh wait no this would be after being damaged, unfortunate
im looking for any voluntary movement that can be done either as a reaction or generally triggered by being targeted or attacked
normal badger
Welp, I realized one of the ancesty traits I was counting on actually was a Heritage. So I guess the horns are just gonna be a headdress after all
steel cobalt
or just any at-will movement i suppose. no amount is too small
as long as it can be done when im being threatened, even targeting an ally is fine as long as it has a 15ft range
cedar condor
Welp, I realized one of the ancesty traits I was counting on actually was a Heri...
I think... Pactbound initiate gets horns? if you really want an archetype
normal badger
Lol no it's fine
Though, I might just go tiefling anyway
I was thinking Wintertouched Human originally
But I realized it actually has to get really cold for that environmential damage reduction to become relevant
supple pumice
So I'm introducing some players (and myself) to 2e using the Beginner Box module, it's pretty good so far. However one person playing wizard mentioned how they don't like the inflexibility of prepared spell slots, which I kind of agree with.
If I were to allow all types of casters to have spontaneous spell slots (like 5e), would that break too much? In particular referring to the balance of official modules, but happy to hear about other side-effects too.
normal badger
Wizards actually have the option to take a featur— yeah that
cedar condor
otherwise wizards have spell substitution to swap spells around fights
cedar condor
Power is kind of budgeted around tools to help with prep/spont slots.
But broadly I'd recommend 5e players might have a better time starting with a spontaneous caster
Arcane sorcerers who pick up arcane evolution at 4, are a very nice middle ground between prep and spont casting, and are pretty potent too
But yeah your early game bread and butter as a caster is 2 action cantrip, 1 action side
so finding a good side action for your core cantrip is good
normal badger
and finding a core cantrip or selection thereof that you can actually use consistently
I had daze, gouging claw, and acid splash in on my intro oneshot character
And then we fought constructs immune to mental damage, there were usually allies adjacent to them with too little health for me to be able to comfortably hit them with splash damage, and I myself also had too little health left to go into melee 
cedar condor
Generally scattering scree, electric arc (some flavour of level dx save spell) are good candidates
Gouging claw though isn't a bad shout, even in melee range on a squish caster, its a potent deterrant
normal badger
I've also seen someone else in the party use Telekinetic Projectile a lot
Scatter Scree is a good call btw, I should probably put that on my necromancer-with-a-taste-for-earth-magic
On a different note — I'm not that familiar with all the classes yet. What are my options if I want to play an Int-based Occult caster?
cedar condor
On a different note — I'm not that familiar with all the classes yet. What are m...
Prep? Occult Witch. Probably best using Fate. Evil eye (a fear applying version) exists and is better with the accursed staff at 6 these days.
Spont? Int Psychic. Gathered Lore iirc is miles ahead. Lets you use occultism to make aid checks.
supple pumice
https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=99
Oh yeah, I know about that. But if I play with casters and they feel forced to pick it to have a good time can I just... change the rules?
cedar condor
You could give it to them as a free level 1 feat
normal badger
Prep? Occult Witch. Probably best using Fate. Evil eye (a fear applying version)...
I see. Thanks
normal badger
I remember seeing some neat things on the occult spell list that weren't on the arcane one when I investigated the possibility of making my necromancer a Summoner
Seems like I'll just leave her as a wizard tho
clever wigeon
occult list fucks
normal badger
I can't tell if that's meant to be a good or a bad thing
normal badger
Hmm… I'm still kind of playing with the thought of building my "necromancer" as a summoner with a Devotion Phantom eidolon. The occult list does seem neat, and I kinda like the idea of having a quasi-permanent spirit companion. But the limited spellcasting and Cha-based casting make me sceptical
…I'll probably go for wizard in the end. I just like exploring alternative options 
normal badger
Althooooooough… witch also seems interesting tbh
The familiar would also give me a kind of permanent companion that can potentially be flavored in a neat way
And I'd get the occult list while still keeping Int casting and full caster progression
Also I just like the idea of your familiar literally eating your homework in order to learn new spells
clever wigeon
familiars are real good
normal badger
Especially, you know… not needing to wait a week to resummon it if it dies
Of course, the best part of the familiar thing is that I get to paint a funky new mini for it 
From what I gathered, minor supernatural features for a familiar seem to be okay, right? Like how the fox familiar in the example witch artwork has nine tails
clever wigeon
yeah
as long as it's not like "my familiar has wings so it gets Flight without taking the ability, right?"
flavor is free
there are some absolutely fucked-up looking familiars
give your crow eleven eyes and a demon mouth in its chest, go fuckin nuts
normal badger
But like, I assume it still needs to be recognizable as an animal unless you have a feature that gives your familiar a different look (like the Plant druid's leshy familiar)
normal badger
Does a Master Ability remain active if the familiar dies, assuming the ability doesn't require action from the familiar in order to function (such as Cantrip Connection or Innate Surge)?
cedar condor
Does a Master Ability remain active if the familiar dies, assuming the ability d...
I think if you have to activate it then no you can't activate while your familiar is dead. But if its already taken place then it still applies.
E.g. Cantrip connection is when you prepare spells at the start of the day. So those stay if your familiar dies (but disappear next preperation if you're not a witch).
the alchemic one would also be start of day.
normal badger
I see
Also, I just saw that there's a feat that can give you a leshy familiar as a witch. Interesting
That opens up new aesthetic options and would allow me to pretend that I'm a druid
normal badger
Is it just me or are humans a little meh?
Like, compared to other ancestries, those often seem to get the same sum of ability boosts (either two boosts, or three boosts and one flaw) but with one or two additional benefits beyond that, like dim-light vision and +5ft. speed for elves, darkvision for goblins, etc.
clever wigeon
Is it just me or are humans a little meh?
no, they're the eternal degenerate plague of the system
much like 5e
normal badger
No they're not meh or no it's not just me?
That is, are you comparing them to 5e's base human or variant human?
clever wigeon
vuman
normal badger
Oh, how so?
clever wigeon
they have general feats as a heritage and as a level 1 ancestry feat
they can get a class feat as an ancestry feat as well
they also have the most "why the fuck is this not a general feat" option around, Unconventional Weaponry
which is a level 1 feat that lets you get an advanced weapon
any advanced weapon
they also have some of the best ancestral spellcasting options, because fuck you I guess
including fly
they get a +4 to Aid if they want, which is nuts
they also get Adopted Ancestry as a heritage, except it gives them low-light vision too
because fuck you I guess
god I wish humans were meh
normal badger
Ah, I was just looking at the base traits
That the main power lies in the feats makes sense, though
I was thinking Adapted Cantrip for Disrupt Undead as a level 1 ancestry feat, for thematic reasons. Not sure about heritage though, idk if there's any General Feats I should get
clever wigeon
fleet, toughness, diehard, canny acumen, shield block if you want
normal badger
I see
I'm also somewhat fascinated by the Wintertouched heritage, partially because I'm surprised it isn't even Uncommon
I guess my issue with the feats is just that there's so many, and most don't have a strong theme. So for most of the feats you mentioned, I'm like, "Yeah this sounds neat, but so do several other things, and this doesn't really support the vision I have for this character in any way"
clever wigeon
yeah i don't think it's necessarily "the best ancestry" for every build
but it just
gets to do so much
and steals so many "wait, isn't this just a general feat?" options
normal badger
That might just be an issue with the ancestry feat system in general tbh — if the ancestry doesn't have any unusual physiological or supernatural traits that you can have the feats expand upon, you're bound to end up with ancestry feats that make people think "but what prevents someone else from doing this too?"
normal badger
I guess my issue with the feats is just that there's so many, and most don't hav...
But yeah, I also have this issue with general feats in general, not just in the context of humans
cedar condor
Well you can cash most general feats into skill feats if you don't want the main ones
but a lot of general feats can enable you to access builds much less painfully on classes who normally would struggle
normal badger
I'm still kind of unsure whether the Arcane or Occult list is more fitting for a "classic" necromancer
Which is basically what my decision depends on whether to make my character a Witch or a Wizard
The whole patron deal from Witch does not entirely align with what I originally had in mind for the concept, but I think I can make it work. Especially for a Fate patron, I'm thinking of like, a situation where the character thinks that she is learning all her magic through her own research and stuff, while not realizing that a powerful entity is essentially watching over her and manipulating chance in order to make her stumble upon the pieces of information she needs to continue her research. The patron believes that the character's disposition sufficiently aligns with its own that she likely won't need explicit prompting to further the patron's goals
Whereas as a wizard she would actually just be self-taught
In both cases, her original motivation to dabble in necromancy would be that she's working as undertaker/graveyard keeper in her village, and occasionally has to deal with random zombies raising from their graves, so she wants to better understand undead in order to dispatch those more efficiently (hence Adapted Cantrip for Disrupt Undead as an ancestry feat). But as she learns more, she eventually gets fascinated enough about undead that she wants to try summoning her own. Which eventually results in having to flee from the village as that venture is discovered
elfin brook
~~I just like giving my druids antlers for no reason~~
There's nothing stopping you from just having horns besides your DM
There's plenty of crazy stuff in pathfinder that could cause a human to grow horns
A high level cleric of Erastil might just sprout antlers
cedar condor
I'm still kind of unsure whether the Arcane or Occult list is more fitting for a...
What do you want to achieve with necromancer? Make undead minions? Or have big beefy undead brutes
normal badger
I'll probably go into the Reanimator archetype either way btw
steel bobcat
loose balance question
do you think it would be reasonably balanced to apply injection to the air repeater or long air repeater
basically turning it into a syringe gun
or do you think it would simply be more reasonable to make an alchemical ammo instead of trying to tie it to the weapon
1e out here with a feat that i want
cedar condor
do you think it would be reasonably balanced to apply injection to the air repea...
What kind of injection?
as in Treasure vault's injection trait?
or you want just poisoned bullets?
steel bobcat
as in the injection trait yeah, though after some thought i don't think that would be any different than poisoning a regular piece of ammunition really
i just want a syringe gun
i think i might just
use my inventor archetype to get the dart umbrella and go from there
the umbrella injector looks cool too, but i'm in the market for something ranged
cedar condor
Well old injection only uses poison, new injection trait can use elixirs and mutagens
steel bobcat
"This weapon can be filled with a liquid, usually an injury poison. Immediately after a successful attack with the weapon, you can inject the target with the loaded contents with a single Interact action. (If the target is willing, the injection takes only 1 Interact action total.) Refilling the weapon with a new substance requires 3 Interact actions and uses two hands."
is this new injection or old
cause the treasure vault injection reservoir specifies it has to be an injury poison, but the umbrella injector says liquid
cedar condor
cause the treasure vault injection reservoir specifies it has to be an injury po...
injection resevoir is neither old injection nor new, its slightly different.
cedar condor
"This weapon can be filled with a liquid, usually an injury poison. Immediately ...
but thats the old version
cedar condor
let me check my new copy
(i think thats the old one atleast)
btw if you want poisoned bullets, you can just poison them like normal
but you can't get the double poison proc without asking your dm
cedar condor
ah nvm that looks like its the new description
steel bobcat
gotcha
cedar condor
welp some people seem to think that expands it to cover mutagens and elixirs
cedar condor
liquid, willing ally, kind of implicit ye
steel bobcat
seems like if you really wanted to go around injecting people with beer or something you can
which is
a thing
lmao
cedar condor
but yes, injection reservoir is explicitly not injection and only poison
stable ferry
technically beer is a poison
cedar condor
seems like if you really wanted to go around injecting people with beer or somet...
honestly... not the worst idea as a high level toxicologist
A high level toxicologist's alcohol is actually very good in intrigue
steel bobcat
"I brewed this moonshine to use as a weapon?"
"to light people on fire?"
"to force them to get drunk by injecting it into their bloodstream!"
"...somehow that's worse than the fire."
cedar condor
Well in an intrigue campaign, you can maybe get an enemy blackout drunk, or close to.
if you need a "plausible" means of death, if you can surreptitiously inject them with alcohol, so they die of alcohol poisoning, thats much better than the mega ultra deadly poison that bleeds from your eyes
even if you don't stage 3-5 alcohol poisoning is real nasty if you can trick a foe to reaching that.
steel bobcat
see
that's part of the reason i was like
i grabbed addiction suppressant for my pirate campaign
i had the distinct feeling that such a thing would eventually prove godly to have on hand
cedar condor
if your dm is tracking it, and inflicting alcohol saves on you... yeah that can lead to your party making some pretty poor decisions
steel bobcat
we haven't gotten drunk yet
but
also
pirate campaign
so
i'd rather have it and never need it
than need it and not have it
lmao
cedar condor
well don't forget you can buy formulae as an alch
but if you're lucky enough to be a chiurgeon, contaigon metabolizers are god tier
steel bobcat
i know
my DM let me buy some in character creation
that is in fact what i spent most of my money on
lol
steel bobcat
i'm trying to decide if this feat actually seems good
and i'm leaning towards not really
at least not worth actually spending a feat on
clever wigeon
it's pretty good tbh
you don't really want to use it unless a creature's weak to fire, but
forcing persistent damage to be way harder
is real good
steel bobcat
I was considering grabbing it anywa on the basis of like
nautical game
so it being harder to put out and impossible to put out with water is a big deal
steel bobcat
There's no mystic theurge equivalent for pf2e is there
steel bobcat
bit of a weird question but
how fucky would it be to combine a familiar + the prototype construct that inventor can get?
like treat them as a combined feature
is that just an animal companion with extra steps or
steel bobcat
tfw you have all the potential in the world
and you roll a 7
also battle planner seems....
like a lot of investment
for such a...i don't wanna say mediocre cause i can see how it could be really good
but
it's kinda underwhelming
lol
normal badger
welp
steel bobcat
god i'm really conflicted
the inventor dedication innovation has so many options
on one hand, good armor
on the other, funky weapon
steel bobcat
Why does the aid action seem like it's good only with hefty investment
cedar condor
like a lot of investment
You can pretty easily proc it with familiar scouting or if you're a divination wizard.
Getting possibly legendary init on your primary stat is nasty.
supple pumice
So the Starfinder Humble Bundle is looking pretty sweet, similar to Paizo's earlier bundle for PF. However before I bought that, I played the demo adventure Torment and Legacy to get a feel for it. Anybody know if there's a similar free small adventure for Starfinder that I could use to get a taste of it before committing?
cedar condor
I'd check to see if they released any rpg day ones
steel bobcat
is there anything stopping me from like
copying the recipes from the basic crafter's book into my forumla book
the answer seems to be
no
nothing but time
side note
reading about this has me giggling
i wasn't expecting the basic crafters book to be a...contentious subject
yet it seems to be
" Do NOT try to get away with this without talking to your GM or in any PFS game because the cost for getting all of those formulas on Alchemical and Magical Items is something like 99% off the printed and intended price for those Formulas.
1 sp for 17 gp (or 170 sp) worth of level 1 Formulas is just way WAY outsize in terms of balance, not to mention it renders completely meaningless the various Alchemical and other Crafting Class and Feat abilities that add those very same Formulas.
Those items are listed in that chapter to make it easier to find them for new players and the full write-up of them isn't even present in that Chapter at all but instead are actually sourced to the Crafting and Treasure Chapter. This, I believe, is simply a bad call by the Nethys team who somehow failed to look into where all of those have their rules/stats listed in full form or evaluate the cost difference between them.
As is, someone could buy a Basic Crafters Book, tear out all of the level 1 Formulas and sell them for 50% of their value and get 5 sp (5x the total cost of the whole book) for every one of them for about 8.5 gp profit on each book. This is an infinite money glitch/exploit and is EASILY one of those things that fall under the umbrella of too good to be true."
like
what the fuck goes in y'all's games
also that doesn't even appear ot be how the book works?
clever wigeon
i wasn't expecting the basic crafters book to be a...contentious subject
it's only contentious if you assume everything works off of moon logic and also don't read the CRB lmao
because like
the point of a basic crafter's book is that...everyone knows the formulae in them
no one's going to buy them
because everyone knows them
the point is that they're the formulas nobody is going to be cagey about, because you can buy them all in a basic crafter's book, in that recursive self-justifying loop
they're common because they're cheap and cheap because they're common
steel bobcat
it's only contentious if you assume everything works off of moon logic and also ...
aye fair lmao
clever wigeon
it's like
peasant railgun brain
it's funny if your GM allows it, but it's not RAI and it requires an extremely ungenerous reading of RAW that ignores context
steel bobcat
not me looking at the Lich archetype and seriously considering it
steel bobcat
Alchemist/Wizard
Alchemist/Witch
Alchemist/Investigator
Alchemist/Psychic
which of these combinations sounds the coolest thematically?
brisk pawn
Multiclass feats or dual classing?
steel bobcat
dual classing
i've already settled on psychic
someone sold me on an uncle iroh aesthetic with infinite eye and either emotional acceptance or gathered lore
clever wigeon
fun fact: mutagens let you apply an item bonus to spell attacks
well
melee spell attacks
next dune
wait, you can dual-class in PF2e?
steel bobcat
fun fact: mutagens let you apply an item bonus to spell attacks
👀
now i need to actually
look at the occult spellist
clever wigeon
yeah it's mostly just the Fury Cocktail, since all of the others have requirements that restrict spells
but...some psychics and sorcerers get really melee-focused bonus spells/focus spells
clever wigeon
oh!
technically there's also
the quicksilver mutagen specifically for tengu
who can cast with their class DC, meaning if their KAS is dex they can make spell attacks from dex
clever wigeon
that bonus only applies to cantrips tho
steel bobcat
rescue spell!
clever wigeon
and you need to grab ancestry feat cantrips
oh yeah Friendfetch?
incredibly powerful spell
steel bobcat
me climbing up and then pulling osmeone with me
celestial accord is actually super thematic
it's a damn shame it'll probably never actually be relevant lmao
clever wigeon
I don't remember that one, what does it do?
clever wigeon
hah, nice
clever wigeon
yeah, it's definitely for Blood Lords
steel bobcat
aww fuck yes, psychometry
hmm
i'm noticing that psychics don't seem to get a ton of proper casting though
i assume because their mainstay is supposed to be their amps
it's a shame that telekinetifc projectile doesn't let effects of the object occure
it'd go well with alchemist
clever wigeon
uh, what's the example?
steel bobcat
clever wigeon
it depends on the wording
steel bobcat
damn you right
i can read
i didn't even thikn to just look at the damn action cost or if it had one
clever wigeon
lmao
steel bobcat
or at least nothing sticks out as like "yes this is clearly the best option" or "wow that just seems like it should've been a class feature"
note in this case i mean like, level 1 feats
ancestral mind is like, good if you have ancestry spells
i expect
really good
counter thought and mental buffer both seem kinda niche?
good when they come up, but i'm not sure how often they'd come up
psychic rapport seems like the most general option
buff to social and some combat actions + perception is hard to argue with
the level 2 feats generally seem better
clever wigeon
or at least nothing sticks out as like "yes this is clearly the best option" or ...
okay yeah but that's a good thing lmao
steel bobcat
oh no, i'm not saying it's not
clever wigeon
not having Objectively Optimal Options is good
clever wigeon
counter thought is really strong because it hits heavy hitters like Fear and Phantasmal Killer
steel bobcat
it's case of "i could take or leave basically all of these upon initial inspection"
oh i'm sure they're strong, but i just don't know relevant that kind of thing would be
clever wigeon
most mental spells are really good and a lot of casters pack one or two
steel bobcat
for example we're gonna be in a pirate campaign so...i don't know how many casters we'll be running into
clever wigeon
but for level 1 feats that's fair
steel bobcat
at least like, casters with a mental bent per se
clever wigeon
I thought you were referring to all 1-8
clever wigeon
nah a lot of casters in general aren't elementalists
steel bobcat
i mean yes but also my DM is 100% a vibes bitch
clever wigeon
although that's a campaign thing yeah
steel bobcat
clever wigeon
I was also including non-kin monsters, though
just fiends and beasts and all that jazz
there's a lot of random illusions or Feebleminds or Fears
steel bobcat
..dose dhampir even get any spells?
clever wigeon
but yeah, if your campaign is elemental specialists, that's different
uh, yes
quite a few, just no cantrips at 1
steel bobcat
the first one i see is charm at 5th
clever wigeon
gets stuff at every other level tho
steel bobcat
then two spells at 9th
clever wigeon
oh wait, no 13
steel bobcat
okay yeah, i see why i hadn't seen these yet
steel bobcat
i haven't really looked that far ahead
clever wigeon
it probably should
maybe in BotD 2
pls more content paizano
we need expansions to everything
steel bobcat
i know the vampire archetype gets some spells
which my dm would probably let fly for the ancestral mind thing
clever wigeon
yeah, I just thought dhampirs got feats at 9 like aasimar and tieflings
clever wigeon
for lineage-specific spells
clever wigeon
all the amp feats are really good in different ways
idr the exact name, but the beacon one
at 2 or 4
that's just like "fuck your invisibility"
clever wigeon
yeah
steel bobcat
so you can't amp cantrips that areen't from your conscious mind
which means...my ampable damage cantrip is fucking true strike
oh wait not
clever wigeon
huh?
steel bobcat
i misread that
steel bobcat
yes
hence, i misread that
my ampable damage can trip is...glimpse weakness
or
no
no i don't think i can amp any of my cantrips with the homing beacon feat
if i don't take a feat to get another psi cantrip
as none of them have an attack roll or a saving throw
steel bobcat
on the other hand, 120ft guidance
clever wigeon
psi phase bolt is good
ignoring shields and cover is real nice if you fight intelligent enemies
or have melees
steel bobcat
i was honestly thinking psi strike + vampire fangs
clever wigeon
that sounds fun
clever wigeon
bit wonky as an alch over other martials, but mutagens cover both your offense and defense pretty respectably
steel bobcat
psychic vampire lineage in in the dhampir thing
steel bobcat
bit wonky as an alch over other martials, but mutagens cover both your offense a...
tbf i'm not like, dead set on it
though i like the idea of dabbling in "martial arts:
clever wigeon
you call throwing dynamite a martial art?
steel bobcat
is there any sort of like
online homebrew repository for p2fe a bit like /r UA or anything like that
i know about infinite but, anything else of note?
clever wigeon
uh, not really
the homebrew scene isn't as big
it's mostly more-professional 3pp
(although not necessarily quality, since I do not like the Classes+)
stable ferry
i just learned pf2e has wish equivalents for every spell list, Miracle, Alter Reality and Primal Phenomenon
i really like that
Wish is also way more reasonably worded
primal dragon
PFS ACP locked ancestry is fucking bullshit
I don’t have to deal with spending ACP for lizardfolk or tielfings in AL
Fucking stupid
brave marsh
But you do have to abide by PHB+1 in AL.
primal dragon
But you do have to abide by PHB+1 in AL.
Except that’s no longer a rule because people pointed out how stupid it was
The inability to play a Goliath rune knight was stupid. They are both giant options, wdym I used to not be able to play that?!?
Or a shadar Kai hexblade
But anyways that’s no longer a rule
brave marsh
I like restrictions. I may not agree with the execution completely, but I don't like the crazy characters people make. Too weird for me personally.
Too special for an ensemble cast game.
primal dragon
I like restrictions. I may not agree with the execution completely, but I don't...
I think rare restrictions is fine
But uncommon options shouldn’t be restricted
Like lizardfolk or tielfings shouldn’t be restricted
brave marsh
If everyone or even half of the party has uncommon stuff, it's too strange for me.
primal dragon
Most people play humans or elves anyways
The restriction just punishes those of us who aren’t interested in “Tolkien” fantasy
normal badger
Looking at the Undead Master archetype right now. Is there a list of Undead Companion options somewhere?
normal badger
Nvm, found them
brisk pawn
I am finding rarity to be a really good way to help flesh out a homebrew setting.
Also a lot of how Golarion has been built provides an excellent starting point for worldbuilding a setting in PF2e.
clever wigeon
it provides a lot of very good tools for homebrewing anything and everything
and a lot of content that means you don't have to
steel cobalt
ok im lookin at shields here and i dont really get it, why are there this many when i think the only relevant difference is hardness
steel cobalt
actually, much better question
what does this do
because as i, someone with no knowledge of the system, interpret this, it takes any effect with the "linguistic" trait and bounces it to affect the caster instead/as well.
However, that seems way too good. does this literally just translate things instead?
brave marsh
Some effects require the target to understand you. Imagine you are a linguist as per this archetype. Your buddy has idk a feat that lets them make a compelling speech to gain favor. But you're in Elf Town. And your buddy doesn't speak the language. But you do, because you're a linguist. So you translate their super inspiring speech and now the elves will join your cause. Because your friend built around persuasion and you built around languages. Or imagine like an NPC elf wants to buff your friend, but they have to understand what they're saying. Same thing, you translate their like warlord command or whatever and your friend gets some extra movement. Stuff like that.
The shields in the core rulebook aren't super different. Some feats may reference bucklers for example like the swashbuckler might have a feat that says you gotta have a buckler which is less AC than a standard shield, but ou can probably do pretty flavorful things with it. A wooden shield is one you're probably gonna ditch early, just buying it for the cheap price. Or use as a druid, but the remaster's going to get rid of the metal taboo. A tower shield has special rules to get a little more AC, basically you can use it as you know a tower shield. A SWAT shield, whatever.
The "default" shield I would say is the steel shield.
Treasure Vault has a lot of other different shields with different traits such as one that can shoot a dart, one that can be thrown like Captain America's shield, other stuff. I think there's one that you can store a spell in.
steel cobalt
Some effects require the target to understand you. Imagine you are a linguist a...
thanks 🙂
lethal matrix
So when's the remaster coming, and is there like... patch notes of all the changes somewhere?
brisk pawn
Player Core 1 and GM Core come out in October.
brave marsh
So when's the remaster coming, and is there like... patch notes of all the chang...
This is the collection of info I've seen with the best formatting: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/wiki/resources/remaster
lethal matrix
This is the collection of info I've seen with the best formatting: https://www.r...
Thank you very much. You are appreciated
brave marsh
Any time, family.
obsidian zinc
coarse vortex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/566632031652544517/1131824700608217108/im...
might I offer you some pixels in these trying times?
dusk whale
Carl, enhance!
atomic stratusBOT
no u
versed folio
any smart pathfinder 2e people able to say how worth this humble bundle is? https://twitter.com/humble/status/1692989884519030871?s=20
I can't tell how much of this is like, books and PDFs and how much is content for this character management tool
elfin brook
I've heard okay things about hero's lab
elfin brook
But it isn't a permanent thing
clever wigeon
any smart pathfinder 2e people able to say how worth this humble bundle is? http...
I...do not like herolab
i don't think it's a good product, really, but it is a good deal for actual book value
cedar condor
Personally I'd wait for a paizo humble bundle.
You get pdfs of the books, get them so long as paizo is functioning, and get integration with other tools that directly partner with paizo (foundry) where available (mainly pre 2021 content)
cosmic shadow
actually a pretty decent amount of stuff
wait nvm
its all just herolab stuff
no real books
turbid stump
How do I find the path?
lethal matrix
primal dragon
I hate how everywhere I go to look things up lore or flavor wise I can’t
Everyone is so focused on minmaxing or build crafting
Ffs I just want to know lore!
elfin brook
I hate how everywhere I go to look things up lore or flavor wise I can’t
Every...
That's the oops all lore resource for pathfinder
lethal matrix
I asked for the revised Pathfinder 2e player's book for Christmas.
My partner's sister gave me the GM's book 🥲
Two thoughts on this:
- This book is usually to me, unless...
- The universe is giving me an omen in a forever DM
vestal roost
I'm creating a entire homebrew pathfinder 2e class it's kind of similar to summoner but just focuses on minions. The 3s and 4s are place holders im having trouble coming up with names also this class is for my setting which is a 1920s fantasy city.
primal dragon
lethal matrix
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder/s/wSMgrvxsB6
Dunno what happened, but that thread is dead
normal badger
I found a local PFS group, so I might actually get to try the game soon-ish 
Working on a character; I'm thinking a changeling witch
I'm looking at the Slag May changeling ancestry feat rn:
Your mother was an iron hag known for physical prowess, and you have one violet or steel-gray eye. You have thick, sturdy claws made of cold iron that grow naturally from your body. You gain a claw unarmed attack that deals 1d6 slashing damage. Your claws are in the brawling group, have the unarmed and grapple traits, and are cold iron.
…does it say anywhere that these claws have to be on the character's fingers? Or could they also be on their toes, or both?
normal badger
In general, how viable is a witch with a lil bit of melee capability?
brisk pawn
Official name and description pending, but here's the first beastie of my homebrew setting for the PF2e remaster. Its statblock is based on the Chimera with changes from Howl of the Wild, but I had to reference the Baomal from the first Bestiary to account for the lack of a third head. Any input is good, even if you want to tell me the idea is bad.
brisk pawn
Here's the first guy's meaner, colder cousin. Based on the Greater Chimera with the Emperor Cobra and Witchwarg heads, with Howl of the Wild's Frostbound adjustment.
naive scarab
You know I keep seeing hardbounds everywhere for all TTRPG books and I was pleasantly surprised to find a paperback PF2e player corebook
normal badger
I was unpleasantly surprised to find no PF2e player corebook at all because it was sold out 
main river
I'm sorry to hear that
space for me is at a bit of a premium so I don't really have places to fit books
normal badger
I mean they have the German translation but I prefer English
(and also I was specifically warned against the translation in this case lol)
naive scarab
(and also I was specifically warned against the translation in this case lol)
Any reason why?
normal badger
Not sure. But like, having played D&D 5e mostly with the English books I always found the German translation confusing whenever someone used it, so I can only imagine it's be similar with PF
mystic zenith
👀
frosty scaffold
Investigator and Thaumaturge are so based. Like, why yes, I would love to be good at combat and dialogue. Why thank you.
visual sail
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frosty scaffold
@naive scarab Can I talk with you about a character concept for Pathfinder?
I really wanna play a thaumaturge with the wild mimic archetype.
I like the idea of playing a character who is obsessed with monsters to the point of being able to make countermeasures against and imitate them.
naive scarab
Why are you pinging me? Idk much about PF other than selective reading
frosty scaffold
Why are you pinging me? Idk much about PF other than selective reading
I'mma be honest I was sleep deprived af when I pinged you and was basically like "this person seems chill, maybe I can rant to them about my character concept."
Sorry for the ping lol.
naive scarab
Sorry for the ping lol.
lmao no worries, I dont mind the ping
I minded the asking me despite not knowing jack about PF XD