Figuring out how the sleep style is determined

[coral rose]

For mid sized dishes u can keep like 16 worth in ur inv

And popcorn for example is alr quite strong so getting that ontop of berry gains is like effectively cheating

For bigger dishes u usually will need a mid-week stock day

[minor rain]

Oohh sneaky snacking the rest?

[coral rose]

77 dishes arent rly possible

[coral rose]

Nah we want our berrymon’s ings too

[minor rain]

Corn isnt possible to sneaky snack with a bfs mon tho

[coral rose]

To keep the shelf a bit less empty quicker

[minor rain]

Ohh

[coral rose]

Stock more corn and less of like ginger or smth that raichu or typh can farm

[minor rain]

Right

In your bag or in the mons inv?

[coral rose]

Raichu can make a nice amount of apples and typh a nice amount of herbs or ginger for this stuff

[coral rose]

Baggu

You only run berrymon and e4e basically

Another option

Is 168 tails

For curries

And use a herbgar or herbnite or houndoom(?) for herbs

Cus u cant stock 21 dishes of herbs ontop of the tails

So with only 1 potentially ineffiicent slot you get TWENTY ONE tail curries

Which is basically worth a 55 dish without even needing filler

And u can still filler w herbs tbh a rly good herbnite with bfs can do berrymon production while giving you enough herbs to spare for filler

Imo the tail strat is ideal

Another ‘optimisation’ would to run ing mag

Esp good for snowcrop and cyan cus favored berry still

Ing mag solo keep ur ings high in filler and might even give u filler tails

Tho ing mag is prob a but more 4fun and less efficient than bfs nite

Dnite is a real gamechanger here cus it can solo corn and/or herb production while BEING BASICALLY A berrymon

Inferno curry goes brr

The more ur berrymon of the next week make a certain ing you can preemtively stock a different ing more to optimise this to hell

Anyways all my ing mon arent good enough for this cus my shelf stock team rly wants HB

Like u can stock 16 popcorn OR stock the corn and milk and as much oil as possible for 21 and run 1 or 2 oil walrein and they make enough to make the last 5 by the time youd usually run out of oil

Main issue w this strat is not knowing what next week’s dish is, this is fixed by either:
-stocking general ing for all dishes, less efficient and youre limited to mid sized dishes purely but it’s f2p
-dont be a brokie just reroll

Tail salad gets a bit harder but 210 tails and a herbgar + oil walreins can do it

Desserts r is scones with raichu and typhlosion for apples and ginger angle

Or popcorn as a more reasonable option

And yea the 77s r impossible without saccing wednesday on stocking the shelfs

[minor rain]

i will try to understand what you're saying in a bit, i gave up halfway cuz my brain is tired from a long day

[coral rose]

Doesnt help i ramble like a madman

[coral rose]

There has to be some form of favouritism towards snoozing coded into the game

These 2 researched were the very first time this account got above 0 dozing while ive gotten a couple % of snoozing on the slumber sleeps

If my average of dozing is zero why is it not being picked when it is bigger than the one that’s like three

[fervent rose]

it's interesting that you say that, because I'll get dozing picked when I'm 1-2% above my average, when meanwhile my snoozing is like 20-30% above

wondering if there's also an upper limit to how much you can be above your average before it gets disregarded or something ehh, Thjis has recent data with ~forcing slumbering, with some like >50% "above average"

to try and dissuade continuously forced sleep styles

Key, do you have your own spreadsheet of data as well?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15q_LWcILxzTZKYe0CFrDIJHkBUtooettKlYeRzMWBTw/edit#gid=909373402
my sleep data, updated as of 8/1/24. Any "irregular" days are annotated, other than that I am exclusively a single session natural sleeper.
feel free to use data

[fervent rose]

also do you have the ss of how much it said your snoozing is above your average?

[fervent rose]

I also tweaked "rolling 30d avg calc" to show difference between my dozing, snoozing, slumbering % for the day vs my previous 30D's average, to see how the numbers match up
...they don't seem to match up, they're close, but not quite

[fervent rose]

here's some examples of what I mean (this is after I hit 31 days of single-sleep data, so if using 30D previous day average is true, these % should be accurate; right side = % of the sleep style for the day, minus my 30D average% for the sleep style, and only shows if the difference is more than 0%)

if snoozing is favorited for you, dozing is favorited for me

ah, perhaps it's based on relative % increases from the average

🤔 that would also make sense in a way

@minor rain am I doing my 30D average wrong btw or something? if it's really last 30 days, why is the difference between my 30D avg + that day's sleep style not matching up to the message's %?

is it the last 30 days (aka not including today), or is it 30 days including today (last 29 days + today)?

i need to take a closer look at your formula haha (looks like columns P:R, in Percentages sheet)

[minor rain]

huhhh

i am just thinking outloud but maybe it has to do with how many times in total you have got D/Sn/Sl

like if you D/Sn/Sl = 10/40/40, it might more strongly favour dozing (as in 6's case)

it could give a higher weight to dozing in the averaging process

[minor rain]

for me the 30d average is never 100% accurate, but I presume this is due to round-off quirks in the game

i just looked at all possible realistic options (i.e. averaging over N days and averaging over N sessions, where I varied N between like 3 and 50 or something)

it is hard to compare sessions vs days since they are typically quite similar, but I used to do enough naps that i was confident enoug

and i look at the previous 30 days, so excluding today

pretty sure I also tried including today's nap but the difference is marginal (since it is the effect on the average from just 1 out of 30 sessions)

[minor rain]

i have a column which gives the error (rounded to 1%) between my calculated % and what the game shows, and it is 0% quite often but sometimes +/- 1%

[coral rose]

I tend to take last 30d as an estimate within 1.5% or so which is more than good enough for gaming purposes

[coral rose]

Hehe whoops forgor

Tbh the 2nd one is more understandable cus my dozing average probably went up by like 20% off of the first research

But i had literally zero % dozing cus this account had never gotten above 0% dozing before

What kinda f*ckery is at play here that an infinity% increase doesnt give the style

these wouldve been my averages going into the 2nd research giving me snoozing with a 47/25 dozing/snoozing

[fervent rose]

ahh hmm... that is odd indeed

it may be worse because I'm getting my % from the minutes slept, rather than the rounded %age

:/

[minor rain]

i try this as well in my spreadsheet but you can see it's clearly flawed as well

[fervent rose]

aight I take it back

x_x

this is such a mystery lol

[minor rain]

:p

it is

but we will figure it out eventually

I am still collecting my data from every sleep session

i just update it every 2 weeks or so

[fervent rose]

can you pin mine too? 👀

[minor rain]

@knotty frost sorry for the ping but could you please pin this message? 😄

#1162807020437651526 message 📌

[fervent rose]

ah 😅 I thought you would be able to as well, guess I have no idea how threads work haha

thank you Thijs and Deeebs!

[minor rain]

thx!

[minor rain]

yea unfortunately not, it's a bit strange

[fervent rose]

0% dozing balanced

[coral rose]

0 dozing was my go-to way to force balanced for a while

Get that average to near 0 and match the other 2 and youre free balanced gaming

Does take 2 weeks of ‘gaming’ prep but I tend to ‘game’ in spans of 2 weeks anyways

[minor rain]

Got this weird bug again. No way this is actually dozing (although I'll take the dratini lol)

[coral rose]

Istg there gotta be a quota where it starts favoring a style to hell if you dont get it enough

[minor rain]

My dozing was like 40% a few weeks ago and after that i actively reduced it

I dont think it is below 10% already but i need to update my spreadsheet

But i am pretty sure this should have been snoozing

[coral rose]

Ive been snoozing without needing to cheat for 15 nights straight cus I fixed my averages

Im kinda happy we get fucking 3 weeks of non-style spawns in the next 4 weeks

Lots of time to absolutely perfect my averages lmao

[minor rain]

loool true

my dozing average is so low rn which sucks

well i want a dratini but i desperately need a ralts, too

[minor rain]

man, my predictions have been so good for the past few weeks (although I have had some uh interesting percentages which make it very obviously one particular style), but like today I got dozing with 12/44/44 while my 30-session average is 12/31/56.... HOW is that not snoozing ?!??!

even a couple days ago when i had the 'bugged' dozing (where it doesn't mention the '..% more than usual', where my averages were 15/28/55 and that session i had 11/34/55 🤣

[fervent rose]

sleep styles is such an enigma 😭

[minor rain]

yeah it's really hard to get your head around what's happening with it...

[fervent rose]

I added 2 new pages to my sheet
1 is for testing two hypotheses on what causes Balanced sleep
1 is for trying to predict sleep style otherwise

I'm using the same logic for sleep style prediction as your sheet (max positive difference between that day's sleep style % VS 30day average)
and.... I have so many mis-predictions lol

my incorrect predictions are, very consistently, Snoozing when the game puts me as Dozing

so far, only accurately predicting snoozing, when my dozing difference is negative or very small compared to the snoozing difference...
gonna set up columns comparing the ratio of the day's sleep style vs average too... x_x

...nvm, that's not quite right either, although it's better... sigh

I wonder if I should do what you are doing, and swap to using rounded whole % for the calculation rather than trying to get a more exact % with the minutes

ok, that's enough math for tonight...

[coral rose]

how did I get balanced on the bottom one here

38 above slumber and 10 below snooze and 27 below doze but yea. balanced.

[minor rain]

your dozing is too low (?)

[coral rose]

I also did a 10/10/80 for testing and got balanced

Game’s weighed heavily against slumber ig

[stable lintel]

i don't think it normally has that much weighing towards slumber not sure how new your alt is but maybe it pushed out some of the lowering slumbering days?

[coral rose]

Ive been doing 100% snoozing/dozing (or a mix) for a while idk how it still hates slumber

I did a lot of 100% slumber at the start for pichus but even then not event night

Im at ab 35 researches rn so the first few slumbers r pushed out

[minor rain]

maybe it hasnt been 30 sessions yet so there is still some average remaindres screwing you up rn

[coral rose]

READ THIJS IT SAYS IM AT 35 RESEARCHES

Ive had to overlap old researches in my spreadsheet so im def averaged out

[minor rain]

I'M SORRYY

[minor rain]

still slumberng could be high if you started with some 100% slumber at the start

[coral rose]

My averages are IN THE SCREENSHOT thijs

(Top numbers, only ones w decimals)

[minor rain]

it's WAY TOO EARLY FOR MY BRAIN TO THINK key

[coral rose]

I get balanced while 40% above slumbering

[minor rain]

that's insane

[coral rose]

Did i break my account by starting off slumebring so much

[minor rain]

surely not

[coral rose]

1 pm

[minor rain]

that would give us some insights tho

suppose it actually does look at your first sessions EVER

and that plays a role

or some bullshit

[coral rose]

Id cry

[minor rain]

lol

[coral rose]

I need 100% slumbering on slumber naps like this

[minor rain]

i only barley woke up

[coral rose]

Do u know how often i accidentally touch the damn phone and get 1%

Death

[coral rose]

Sunday moment innit

[minor rain]

any weekend moment

[minor rain]

annoying

[coral rose]

Im making a risky play next week

0p iggly farming

On cyan

And then zzz ticket to gg

(On new acc)

[minor rain]

hopefully you get slumbering then lol

[coral rose]

If I can get e4e before raikou event

Oof

Gaming

Preferably early in the week cus of the whole haha funny 50h sleep requirement

[minor rain]

🤣

[coral rose]

Preferably hb/slm + 2 triggers

[minor rain]

but calm nature

[minor rain]

@coral rose it's ezpz #general message

[coral rose]

how the fuck

[minor rain]

bug

someone is stuck in this bug apparently

you would love that

https://discord.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1214515784337068095

[coral rose]

Infinite balanxed without cganging averages

Peak

Rn i have to math out the score needed to hit averages exactly to maintain that

[coral rose]

Did my first 100% slumbe of the week and got ‘58% more slumbering than usual’

AH MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE GOVING IT TO ME MORE THEN EH

[minor rain]

Hahaha

Today it worked like normal so idek

Not planning to do naps this week so i wont know what is causing it

Probably a lack of dozing even tho that is normal lol

[coral rose]

Im gonna violently destroy my average w 100% slumbers for a whole week again so we’ll see

And then fix my averages using raikou 100% balanced event

Sadly no naps in that event tho so only 14 researches fir average fixing

[fringe harness]

Destroying my averages that even game is confused what to do now

Gonna achieve the perfect 33-33-34 combo and the game will finally do justice and call it balanced

[minor rain]

[fringe harness]

I have cracked the way of getting natural balanced sleep, let's go

[minor rain]

idk how useful balanced is during an event like this but nice

[fringe harness]

Yeah, well
But if I could get balanced daily, that would be nice

These are all are natural sleeps

[minor rain]

true getting it every day could be neat

[fringe harness]

38-35-27
33-36-31
36-37-27

These are the actual % ages of Dozing, Snoozing, Slumbering

A Slumbering would break it probably but Dozing and Snoozing will never hopefully

[minor rain]

hmm

interesting

if this gives you any insights into how balanced style is determined then let me know, cuz based on all of my data i still don't understand

[fringe harness]

Oh, hmm, fine

I could try, lol

[minor rain]

i guess if you have your averages from a longer time period it could help but dw about bothering with that, if you just have a bit of an idea then i can test this or something(your averages seem pretty normal so that is manageable for me, as opposed to key's weird af averages )

[fringe harness]

Yeah, true
I will see that

[coral rose]

Theres def some situations where u want spawns of every type and atp balanced is amazing

Also for style farming at high DP giving the game the option to give u all the rare 3* potentially is nice

[minor rain]

yea true

just a bigger pool to choose from

[fervent rose]

^bumping thjis, if you know your 30d (+?) averages that’s super interesting data

[minor rain]

Sylveon's?

[fervent rose]

Yeah

[minor rain]

@fringe harness could you please note down the percentages of your past sleep sessions? It is quite a lot of effort so totally understandable if you dont wanna but it might give us insights into why your current averages keep giving you balanced c:

[fringe harness]

I will see, I will try to collect

[minor rain]

Cool, but yea dont stress it 😄

[fringe harness]

I broke my balanced streak because of 2 imperfect sleep sessions, sad

[minor rain]

Aaa rip

Yea it it hard

[fallow portal]

Since it seems people here have more knowledge than I do, anyone have any idea how #1222234877605187768 message this strange occurrance happened?

I didn't have much dozing in the previous few weeks leading up to this, so getting dozing at a low percentage still makes some sense, but I don't know how to explain the random snoozing despite seemingly swapping percentages with dozing for that one night

[minor rain]

What the hell, I've seen many weird things here but this one beats them all

[fallow portal]

Haha guess I'll just say it's some strange outlier then, everyone else seems to be as confused as I am

[minor rain]

Yeah it makes me pessimistic that we wont manage to figure out how it works exactly

If you want you could note down your averages from the past 30 days (see spreadsheet in pinned messages) and then i can do the maths behind it and see how weird it is. But im pretty sure it simply is weird lol

[fervent rose]

… that Sunday session is so bizarre

You wouldn’t happen to have any records of the “x% more than usual” for these sessions, right?

[coral rose]

Now ive had some weird shit happen to me but this one’s a bit special what

[fallow portal]

I wish I had, didn't really know it was useful until now.

[fervent rose]

Np, I find it annoying too that it’s not something that gets saved like the rest of the sleep data

[minor rain]

Fr

[fringe harness]

@minor rain
3 different sleep styles after 3 balanced
Nice

[fringe harness]

My averages considered for this sleep probably
36% for Dozing
30/31% for Snoozing
30% for Slumbering

I think Snoozing should be 35% average or so
Maybe it dropped a lot because of a session

[minor rain]

Wow nice

[minor rain]

Ah that's why you now no longer get balanced?

[fallow portal]

So uhhjh it happened again where it was like 10% dozing and gave me it anyway... And um

Literally doesn't give a %

[minor rain]

Yea i have had this as well a few times

When those weird snoozing/dozing sessions happened, did it also not give a %?

[fallow portal]

I don't remember but it was definitely possible cause I don't recall one

[median lark]

My last few sessions haven't given me a percentage. Maybe it's due to the event? Cuz pokemon of all sleep types can appear regardless of the sleep type you get for the session?

[fervent rose]

Aside from balanced sleep, I’ve never had that happen to me even during events

[minor rain]

It should give a % still

It does for me

But i have had it occasionally, especially in the lapis release week, but not lately

[fervent rose]

ugh

I think I might need to start recording how much time it took to fall asleep too

I dunno anymore. :(
I found a weird day which I think should have been slumbering, but got balanced instead -- it was also a very short session (4:47 compared to my usual 7-8) because I couldn't sleep

hard to say

another session which should have been snoozing (almost 12% more from my 30d average), but assigned dozing instead (5% more)

I saw on your sheet, you look like you are recording the start and end time of session...how do you get it so exact? do you always have 0 min to fall asleep?

[minor rain]

you can find this in the sleep data page

hm writing down the time it takes to fall asleep ..... no way that plays a role right ?!

[fervent rose]

that's what I thought at first, but...ugh

I don't know anymore 😭 LOL

[fervent rose]

this day, my time to fall asleep was like >2 hours

[minor rain]

it's confusing af, ikr

[fervent rose]

3 of my last 4 days, I hit balanced. 4th was slumbering but barely. Let’s see if I can keep up the streak…

[minor rain]

some pretty bad predictions again

more %:
Do: 23
Sn: -31
Sl: 13%

i predicted dozing obviously, but it somehow became slumbering lmao

[fervent rose]

😦

[fervent rose]

reeee

one more hypothesis broken

on 4/13/24, my sleep style was Dozing
my %s for that session were: 5.13% / 24.36% / 70.51%
my 30d average % on this day were: 4.24% / 23.52% / 72.24%
that's a less than 1% difference from my average for both dozing and snoozing, and only about 2% for slumber

WHY WAS IT DOZING AND NOT BALANCED

it's either

1. the averages are more than 30D, because I hit a lot of balanced sleeps prior and with this dozing + "2% more", it means my game's dozing average is closer to 3% and not 4%
2. the game is heavily pushing me to dozing style, because the last time I got one was 2 weeks ago

I hit a lot of balanced the last few weeks, but... urgh. this is so rough

[minor rain]

the game seems to favour dozing, as if that small difference between 4% and 4.24% or 5.13% is enough to be more dominant than the snoozing and slumbering averages. but yea why not balanced? no clue

[fervent rose]

I can't tell if the game favors dozing, or it's simply my averages

since my averages are normally so little dozing to begin with >_<

[minor rain]

there's got to be more to it. i hope we can start to recognise patterns over time. there must be a longer-term thing about it, I suspect

[fervent rose]

yeah, there must be.. 😔 sigh

[minor rain]

we'll manage! it's an interesting thing

[hollow belfry]

I would be very surprised if it's a true average over a fixed window. It's probably a moving average instead since that's simpler to code. You don't need to store a history, just the current averages.

[fervent rose]

I'm not sure I understand, as in the game's stored average is more likely to be the average of the last X days? or more likely to be a running total average (like starting from your first sleep session)?

[minor rain]

It averages over the past 30 sessions is the theory based on data

[fervent rose]

🤔

This might be the lowest % over I’ve gotten for Snoozing so far. Tbd on data input, but I swear I hit almost exactly the same % recently and got balanced…

My sleep % per style have been pretty close for most days recently. I’ve figured out a good spot to put my phone lol

aka next to/under one of my shoulders

any farther and I risk way too much slumbering…

[fervent rose]

was looking back and 1% more LMAO

this is how much the %ages changed from the 30 day average
the fact that the game took dozing at 0.41% increase over almost 10% increase in snoozing is crazy to me

[stable lintel]

Hmmm weird, I think you saw my sleep average yesterday but this was odd to me. Yesterday's nap into today's nap

[minor rain]

the way balanced type is determined is just super confusing tbh

today's nap means your 'average dozing' according to the game is 27

yesterday 34% dozing was +7 but still not enough to make it dozing, which is indeed odd

ofc the average could have changed from yesterday to today, but at most by maybe 2%

[waxen quarry]

@minor rain funny seeing you here

[minor rain]

#1162807020437651526 message try to see if you can make a copy of the spreadsheet and fill in the columns for dozing/snoozing/slumbering for yourself 👌

i didn't really mark stuff very clearly so it might not be super easy to figure out what to do but yea

[waxen quarry]

No worries, I made a copy to go through when I'm done with my current work task

[waxen quarry]

@minor rain so I've finally been able to go through it since I got too busy, and I'm unsure which sheet tab to even use

[minor rain]

lmao, the 'Percentages' tab in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vibfA6Pa-4KM2923OJmxLbREBvsEsm3UPByGUv0bxhM/edit#gid=1122011633

clear the data in columns B-G and J-N, and then fill them in for your sessions

the only required columns are: A, B, J K L, M, and N is needed but can just do "-" everywhere

date, session 1 or 2, your Do%/Sn%/Sl%, sleep type you got, and how much of that sleep style you got 'more than usual' (don't need to do this one actually since you can't find it back so it's only possible if you took a screenshot.. since you didn't, just put a "-" since it otherwise won't calculate the remaining cells)

[waxen quarry]

Okie doke! I'll ignore the other sheet tabs then - thanks for the explanation

[waxen quarry]

@minor rain gonna bug you again just reeeal quick

If I'm only using the first Percentages tab, could you give me the dumbed down version of what this bit is about? Should I just divide the last 'average %' entries by 30 to get my current average % per style, so I know what to aim for when not doing extreme % sessions?

[minor rain]

the numbers in column J-K-L need to be percentages

i see on the top there are some numbers instead of percentages

97 means 9700%

so it does 18%+26%+9700%+... in the averaging, which is wrong

column PQR show the average of Do/Sn/Sl of your previous 30 sessions
column O shows your usual average of the specific sleep style which you got, which is calculated by taking the percentage which the game shows (column N) minus the average of the past 30 sessions of this same sleep style
column S just checks if the calculated number is consistent with the prediction

[waxen quarry]

Cons of flipping between phone and computer - I'll fix that

[minor rain]

columns TUV is just to calculate how much more of each sleep style you had in this session than your average (=previous 30 sessions)
column W is to predict the sleep style it should have been, based on the highest 'difference' percentage you got
column X is simply yes or no, whether column W correctly predicts the style
column Y and everything to the right of that is just some tests tbh

you can look into the code a bit if you're familiar with it. it's interesting imo also since i am trying to figure out how sleep styles are determined. but if you just wanna find your averages then filling in your previous 30 sessions is enough

[waxen quarry]

Well now the percentages look a LOT more normal now
I really suck at excel code, so unfortunately looking into the sheet as a whole would be lost on me. But if sharing the user data would be useful for trying to work out how styles are determined, I'm happy to share that

[minor rain]

ahhahaha yea good

also dw about it, it'll be the most valuable if we get full data from a few people than just some scattered data from a lot of people (by full data I mean having the ' ...% more than usual' thing from every session, which i have been doing for myself since i started this thread)

[waxen quarry]

I'll do my best to remember that then!

[minor rain]

If you want to, feel free, I appreciate, but it does cost some time to note it down consistently :p

[fervent rose]

I just take screenshots of the “% more than” and fill out the rest later when I have time on the weekend

Way too tired to think in the morning

[minor rain]

yea ofc

[fervent rose]

ah, crap.

reading through the mathcord post and sheet you sent me and

Thjis would you prefer if I duplicated your sleep tracker sheet and put my data in your sheet's format?

[minor rain]

sorry i forgot to respond to this

what do you mean tho? i don't really see the issue, but im also tired so my brain is barely functioning

[fervent rose]

Just this question. Ignore first statement 🤣

[minor rain]

:p

it doesn't really matter that much, I should be able to convert your data in bulk pretty easily at a later point

[fervent rose]

ok ok haha

[fossil agate]

Is this percentage normal?
(been dozing for dratinis)

I thought it would automatically balance when its too much or something lol

[waxen quarry]

If you've had 56% more than usual, then it's not similar enough to be balanced

[fossil agate]

I heard that its most likely 33% for all 3 of them could be more or less

Thats why I thought this is not normal

Unless I confused this information with another topic 🤔

[minor rain]

suppose your average dozing of your previous 30 sessions was 5%, then you must have had 56+5=61% dozing this session

could you share the screenshot of this session's sleep data, which shows how much dozing/snoozing/slumbering you got?

[minor rain]

ah yea so you have 74% dozing this session, which (according to the game) is 56% more than average

so, your average is 74-56 = 18% if my quick maths is correct

obviously if you have that much more than average, it's undoubtedly gonna be dozing

[fossil agate]

Is it possible to see the average ingame?

[minor rain]

nope unfortunately not. the only thing you can do is note down the dozing/snoozing/slumbering percentages of your previous sessions (past 30 days if you aren't premium, or of all-time if you are premium). based on these, you can calculate the average percentages.

this is what I did initially to figure out that they most likely consider the previous 30 sessions when calculating the average. and I still keep track of all my percentages for this data collection (only doing it in the backgrond but in the future I'm planning to look into the data more thoroughly because we sitll don't understand how the sleep style you get is determined precisely)

[fossil agate]

Oooh ok, thanks!

[minor rain]

yw!

[minor rain]

ok but how tf is the 18/05 session not balanced

oh dang the "Avg style (30 sesh)" columns don't add up to 100% cuz i had a 100% dozing (i.e. balanced) session somewhere... gonna have to think about how to circumvent this issue

[little sage]

I recommend recording the time for each sleep type and calculating the percentages from that time. This is because the %more value in the game is calculated by rounding up %-Avg obtained using these percentages. By the way, the percentages displayed in the game are values that have been adjusted after rounding each sleep type's percentage, with the largest percentage being the one adjusted.

[minor rain]

oo interesting, so it does depend on the time. i'll look into it when i have the time for it, thanks for bringing it up!

[minor rain]

Weird. 20.43 to 22.56 is not 2h04min, but 2h13min

[waxen quarry]

Was there not any untracked time somewhere or something?

[minor rain]

it doesn't list any untracked time, but the 'higher' dozing part is probably left untracked

cuz i calculated and the first part of snoozing is 5min, so that's not the problem. it just removed 9min of dozing at around 10:30-10:40 but didn't list it was untracked time lol

[little sage]

That's interesting. It seems that the higher dozing part has been excluded from the sleep duration. That part was only 10 minutes, but if it were 15 minutes, it should become untracking time.

[minor rain]

yep exactly, it was 9 minutes. so i indeed think that 15 minutes of 'overdozing' is gonna make it untracked, or maybe even 10 minutes is enough?

[little sage]

Based on my verification, 10 minutes was not enough to cause untracked time (the section with a strikethrough). Although the content is in Japanese, I have detailed it here.https://note.com/songseed/n/nd2f60d5408f5

[minor rain]

interesting!!! this is good to know, thanks!

[little sage]

You're welcome! If there's anything you don't understand in the translation, feel free to ask, and I'll be happy to help

[minor rain]

the translation looks pretty clear. so if i understand correctly, even if you move it intensely (every second) for 14 minutes, it won't make the rest of the session invalid, but if this happens for 15minutes (or 16 minutes..), it does happen?

[little sage]

That's right. To enter the overdozing state as quickly as possible, you need to shake the pg++ once per second for 2 minutes. I speculate that the second half of these 2 minutes will count as overdozing. Since 15 minutes of overdozing leads to untracking time, a total of at least 16 minutes is required.

[minor rain]

oh, you're talking about the thing with 2 min intense movement -> 5 min no movement -> 2 min intense movement etc, right? and then to get out of the overdozing phase, you'd need over 5minutes of no movement i guess? or you dont know?

[little sage]

yeah, I haven't checked the time required to get out of overdozing , so I'm not sure. However, with 5 minutes of no movement, overdozing persisted, so you might need about 10 minutes

[minor rain]

makes sense, interesting.. 🤔 thank you!

then I know to avoid 2 minutes of constant movement at all costs unless i can compensate it properly within 15min

[little sage]

people who are measuring with the pg++ on their stomachs might be in trouble

[minor rain]

Lmao

[minor rain]

bump

[fervent rose]

I haven't updated my sheet in so long

[minor rain]

dw about it

it's not like i've got to any proper analysing either

planning to do so in the coming month, tho

i just need to look into how to deal with the 'forced' balanced sessions that have e.g. 100% dozing or only dozing/snoozing and no slumbering, to see how the game deals with this

[fossil agate]

Does the game force balance you when your one sleep style is more than the other 2 styles?

[minor rain]

iirc the game forces balanced if (1) you only have dozing or snoozing, but no slumbering, and if (2) you dont reach slumbering until the 2nd half of your session

[hot belfry]

got slumbering last night but there was no “% more than” message, first time i’ve seen this for slumbering but have seen it before with dozing multiple times. do we know why this happens yet?

[minor rain]

oh that's so weird, i've also indeed only ever had that with dozing

no clue why it happens, I think it's just a bug

[little sage]

if that sleep type is below avg or balanced, "% more than" is not displayed

[minor rain]

ohhhh! this could make sense

well, the fact that it chooses the sleep style which has less than instead of more than usual, that doesn't make sense, but the fact that it doesnt show any text does make some sense

[fringe harness]

Consistency @minor rain

[minor rain]

impressive

[hot belfry]

happened again

[minor rain]

cool interesting. i wonder if it's indeed because you had less slumbering than usual (e.g. 1% less), but it still gives slumbering rather than one of the styles which you do have more of than normal

[hot belfry]

my most recent balanced was with 29% slumbering, this session also had 29%, so yeah I think it was either the same % or perhaps slightly less. The only thing I can think of is that I haven’t been getting slumbering much lately so there may be a mechanic that prioritizes one you haven’t gotten recently if the percentages are close to balanced, not sure

[minor rain]

oohhh interesting, maybe so

i do remember when i suddenly got dozing with this, i also hadn't got dozing in a while so you might be onto something there

[fervent rose]

I really should go back and record cus I feel like my averages stopped moving. But this is ridiculous LOL

[minor rain]

wow lmaooooo

that is honestly such golden data if we can know the percentages from the 30 days before 🤔(and if you know the ...% more than usual of the dozing session)

[fervent rose]

Oh right.

I didn’t take a photo of the balanced, cus, you know

But it legit says that 1% is the difference

Between yesterday and today

[minor rain]

wow

could you note down the percentages of your 30 (or like 35 whatever) sessions before this? that could be a useful bit of data, but dw about further updating your sheet since you were not planning to continue with it

just the percentages do/sn/sl is enough

[fervent rose]

Do you want the % only or how i was doing it with the minutes ?

I have ss of every day tbh just last

Lazy

[minor rain]

actually yea the minutes would be nice as well, i have some hypotheses about that

if you dont mind, that would be some very useful data since it is literally the closest to balance as you can be, with two nearly identical sleep sessions

[fervent rose]

@minor rain done

I know your 30 day session is your working theory but

first 3 column of numbers is my sleep time per sleep type
next 3 columns (where balanced is green) is that above sleep time, converted to %
and last 3 columns is my 30 day average for sleep times based on total minutes slept over last 30 days

well

you can check the rolling 30d page >_<

but yea, I've added all of my data since May so it's continuous data again...although I had some blips in mid-June because i was travelling (some weird dates maybe due to time zone changes, and also one day of manual entry because I was legit travelling without chance to start a sleep session for >24h straight 😭 )

[minor rain]

thanks for your effort, i appreciate it a ton!

hmm, that's quite off, interesting could it be that you had a 100% dozing (or at least a 0% slumbering) session somewhere in the past 30 sessions?

I'm gonna go on a holidays so i won't be able to work on this for the next 1.5 weeks and this whole thing sadly didnt reach the top of my priority list yet despite me being off in summer 🥲 but i'm still intending to properly get back into this, in any case im still inputting my data🤓

[fervent rose]

I don't think I've had a 100% dozing nor 0% slumbering session, ever haha 😬 between my natural habit and my bed maybe, I am very high slumbering always

on 6/18/24, I did a manual entry session (from when I was travelling and couldn't activate pokesleep), on the top it says "100% dozing" but ofc the real time is 0 minutes for all types

but also, that was more than 30 days/sessions before

[minor rain]

oh you're averaging by times?

the way i do the 30-session average is by averaging over all dozing percentages (not time) of the previous 30 sessions, and then the same for snoozing and slumbering

[fervent rose]

oh, I think I have a column by %ages too

if not, I can set it up real quick

did you find it to be accurate based on the %ages?

ok I set it up, and, I feel like the numbers look worse this way

I mean, regardless, the % differences to 30D average are negative for that 7/31 Dozing day

[minor rain]

yep

[minor rain]

that's odd lemme check mine

[fervent rose]

I wonder if it's because of the integer math thing? ._.

my sheet is not set up to do that type of rounding

[minor rain]

% more (game) is the "...% more than usual" from the screenshot

avg Xx (30 sesh) is the average Xx percentage of the past 30 sessions, with the following code (i round it DOWN to the nearest percentage (=0.01)):
FLOOR(AVERAGE(
INDIRECT("J" & ROW() - nrSessions):
INDIRECT("J" & ROW()-1))
,"0.01")
(where nrSessions=30)

"ok" is the deviation between what the game says the average is of style Xx (=the percentage of style Xx, minus how much "more than usual" of this style according to the screenshot)

could you verify if your approach is equivalent to this?

as you can see the largest error is +/- 1%

[fervent rose]

I think I might be faster to duplicate your sheet and import my data LMAO

for the % sleep style per day, are you using what the game tells you?

I think that is my sheet's biggest issue in terms of differences to yours, because I have been recording the minutes

[minor rain]

also, I am aware that the avg Do+avg Sn+avg Sl do not add up to 100%, this suddenly started fucking up lol. but before, when this did add up to 100%, it still was the same with a max error of +/- 1%

[minor rain]

Yeap

[minor rain]

ah you record the percentages based on the sleep time?

[fervent rose]

oh yeah wtf what happened to your sums

[minor rain]

shouldn't make a difference, you'd think

[fervent rose]

I took a peek at the pokemon RP formula and, well, seems like it makes a difference

[minor rain]

i think it has to do with some 100% dozing sessions i've had

or something like that

[fervent rose]

so I need to figure out how to turn my minutes into the game's %, I guess

[minor rain]

this was like 1.5 months ago. it's slowly fading away but it's still lingering lmao

[minor rain]

you'd think this is straightforward

[fervent rose]

right...

[minor rain]

im currently doing a sleep session but lemme try to find a screenshot of a session and play with it a bit

in fact, it's easy to calculate the sleep score based on total time slept

which is why i think this is easy sa well

[fervent rose]

I have a few free min, will put in my last few days of data and then see if I can figure it out quickly

just need to find the edge cases, I think, to see if it's true rounding or flooring (?) to nearest %

[minor rain]

ok 28 april

percentages: 41% / 29% / 30%
time per style: 3:23 / 2:22 / 2:31
total time (sum): 8.26666667 hr = 8hr 16min

3:23 / 8:16 = 0.409274194 ~41%
2:22 / 8:16 = 0.286290323 ~ 29%
2:31 / 8:16 = 0.304435484 ~ 30%

based on this it looks like it's just a round to the nearest %, but indeed good to look for better edge cases (although this seems to exclude floor() and ceil() tbh)

i can hardly imagine it makes such a huge difference tho if you don't use the raw percentages based on the sleep times, rather than the rounded percentage

[fervent rose]

so long as there is no tenth haunting us that we can't see...

that's what I feel, but

those two days really boggle me ._.

[minor rain]

yea hahaha

[fervent rose]

alright yep, found case already where simple rounding doesn't match the game's #'s

😡

[minor rain]

damn

is it a 1% difference or more?

[fervent rose]

1% difference

[minor rain]

make sure to check if there's any untracked time

[fervent rose]

untracked time doesn't change anything no?

[minor rain]

and if you add up the Do+Sn+Sl times, if it adds up to the total time which the game tells you (just in case)

[fervent rose]

already do that

[minor rain]

i wouldnt imagine so, no

[fervent rose]

or well, I did for a while, and then I stopped because I wasn't having problems

[minor rain]

fair

[fervent rose]

it is not considered part of your total sleep time in the game

I still record it, but, there isn't really any point to

at least that I know of haha

[minor rain]

yea exactly

i mean with the spaghetti code you never know if they could mess it up somehow and cause some kind of round off error shenanigan

[minor rain]

but yea not likely

hold up

one of them doesnt add to 100%

the round doesnt

err

[fervent rose]

yep LOL

that's just simple rounding >_<

[minor rain]

right

[fervent rose]

so there's some kind of correction built in, some where

the %xx is just, taking the minutes of sleep style / total sleep time

ah crap, got to afk I'll come back to catch up later

[minor rain]

it probably does some algorithm like suppose you have 30.35%, 30.2% and 39.45% (add up to 100%), if you round em all down you get 30+30+39=99, so it takes the one that's " closest to rounding up" , i.e. the .45% and just round that one up to 40% so you get 30+30+40

[minor rain]

no worries. i might be gone cuz it's getting late

[minor rain]

oh this is exactly what i said, the .48% is closer to rounding up than .47%

suppose you have the (raw) three percentages, {p_i} (for i=1,2,3), then you'd round them round(p_i)=r_i, then suppose sum(r_i) =/= 100% then you'd need to consider abs(p_i-r_i) (which always lies between 0% and 0.5%) and probably do some tricks with that to see which one you have to pick (my 1am brain can't figure it out in just a few minutes atm lol but it's a nice puzzle)

[fervent rose]

ahh, I see... I'll do a bit more data collection first to see how it's working and then, yup

[little sage]

Are you guys discussing the percentage displayed in the game? If so, I already know the answer.
https://discordapp.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1162807020437651526/1249341283617734729

[fervent rose]

❤️ thank you for re-linking

@little sage, do you know how the "% more" is calculated? or maybe I should say, do you know what the game uses for your "average %" for your sleep styles?

[little sage]

calculated by round up

https://note.com/songseed/n/ne0add26f1e6d

[fervent rose]

hmm...

[little sage]

I am also not clear on how the average affects the determination of sleep types.

[fervent rose]

did you see the two days I linked above to Thijs?

if not, I can re-link

but I am still having trouble understanding

for one day, which I was given "Dozing", and had the message "1% more dozing than average", based on my last 30 sessions of data I collected

my dozing % that day is actually less than my 30 day average

and, on top of that, the day before, I got "Balanced"

and the actual % differences between my sleep types of those two days, is so small, like <1% (based on minutes)

...also Thijs, is it possible to pin that post from SongSeed? this is very helpful

[little sage]

I also often get sleep type that is lower than the average. do u have raw data? My data is in the spreadsheet within the article.

[fervent rose]

yes, my raw data is in the pins

I need to sleep, but I will keep reading the article tomorrow

for this point, I think I can say, it should not be included

but I will do a little math to confirm tomorrow

[little sage]

nice. I was just wondering about that.
I am looking forward to the results.

[fervent rose]

on 6/18/24, I put in manual session ("100% dozing", but, not really). my normal dozing average is extremely low, like 3-4% maybe, so I feel like 1 session that is considered "100%" should swing up the average a lot for me

however, based on next few days, it seems like my average is still considered around 3-4%...

but regardless, because my normal dozing average is so low, I think it would be easy for me to test if I put in a few days of manual entry ^^;;

[minor rain]

oooo thank you for the reminder that you sent this before!!

[minor rain]

yea one was balanced and the other one had like a 1% difference and was not balanced

[minor rain]

yea manual entry doesn't get included indeed, i can confirm this as well

pretty sure even if you have a 100% dozing session it doesn't get included

one of the main things im running into and what's holding me back from getting back into this is how to deal with these edge cases

i personally dont have any manual entry sessions in the past 10 months , but those 100% dozing sessions are annoying

but yea now that i finally am getting the energy again to work on it but im going on holiday tomorrow ffs 😂

[little sage]

i didnt know about manual entry, thx!
enjoy your vacation

[little sage]

i have a question. balanced type in your data include things by detecting a lot of body movements?

For example, like this graph

[minor rain]

yea this kind of data is like a mystery to me and idk how to deal with them in the averaging. I have been partly lazy and partly held back by this stuff from continuing the analysis in my sheet

[little sage]

yea this is definitely a pretty complicated system, and it's really tough to check it all by myself
so i often end up being lazy too lol

[minor rain]

yea it's hella complicated, although im sure with now well over a year of data from my side alone, and with your and 6's data, we definitely should be able to understand it better already

[fervent rose]

No, all of my balanced, I think it’s normal. At least, it will not have so much dozing such as your graph, again because normally I have very little dozing. I sleep like the dead

For the case such as that graph, is there a message pop up? Similar to if you have not enough movement (and have untracked time)

[little sage]

balanced by a lot of movement occurs if you dont reach slumbering until the 2nd half of your session

mesasage like this pop up

[fervent rose]

Ahhh ok. I have never seen that pop up so I guess you can say my balanced sleep is all normal. Here are graphs for my last 5 Balanced sessions.

[little sage]

oh thanks!
these are normal balanced
worth researching

[fervent rose]

Please feel free to use my data! And let me know if I should be recording anything else.

I think, for sleep error message, the only one I ever see is the “not enough movement” (too long of slumbering).

In my data if I have untracked time, it is because of that error.

[little sage]

Got it. Your data has been very helpful. Thanks

[fervent rose]

sheet updated...I messed up on 8/17 (double sleep session, the short one is the "too much movement" error to create balanced 😭 )

[minor rain]

legend 💪

[minor rain]

ooof rip

[minor rain]

im gonna implement this and see if any improvements can be seen

[minor rain]

i implemented it, so now it properly calculates the percentages so that they add up to 100%. pretty huge

then I did a quick histogram to see how well the new method predicts the in-game percentages, but it seems like the previous method for some reason still predicts the average better not sure what's up, gonna see what i can do

hold up lmao i only ensured that the percentages add up to 100%, but i am still using the old method of getting the individual percentages, while i was meant to change this so that it's based on the total time spent in each sleep type (do/sn/sl)

easy fix

oh i didnt even record that

LOL gonna have to input the do/sn/sl time for 500 sessions

aight im done for today then (sleep session started already)

[fervent rose]

gg Thijs, turns out recording the time was important in the end

[azure escarp]

is this the right 'interval timer' app

[minor rain]

LOL yea it's ok tho not too much work

[minor rain]

yup! see the discussions in #1235680850012536872 for more on that

[azure escarp]

lol i knew this thread looked diff for some reason thanks

[minor rain]

this is still the case even if I do it properly..... why

Just gonna rephrase and say the specific issue i'm having rn:

Each sleep session has a certain dozing%, snoozing% and slumbering%. I write these down, call it Do%,Sn%,Sl%.
The game tells us how much "more than usual" you got of one specific sleep style (unless you got balanced). I write this down as well, call it %moreDo,%moreSn,%moreSl
Based on these two, you know ACCORDING TO THE GAME, the average percentage of a certain sleep style (the one that you got) has got to be Do% - %moreDo (in the case of dozing) etc, let's call these avgDo% game etc

Now, I want to reverse engineer this number which the game considers as the average. For the longest time, I've simply calculated the avgDo%,avgSn%,avgSl% by taking an average of the Do%,Sn%,Sl% of the previous N sessions, and found that N=30 sessions works the best (smallest deviation overall, but there's still deviations). In the image below you can see how well these avgDo%,avgSn%,avgSl% (that i calculated) compare to avgDo% game,avgSn% game,avgSl% game (that the game claims). By far the most (~67%) are spot on (0% deviation), but a couple are off by +/- 1% (let's say 33% is off).

(I should note that I calculated avgDo%,avgSn%,avgSl% by rounding down, which sometimes led to the sum of the percentages being 99% instead of 100%.. which I'm trying to fix below)

After discussions from a while ago with 6 and SongSeed, I've realised that I shouldnt calculate my averages based on the (full-integer) percentages that the game shows, but based on the TIME of each sleep style. E.g. you have a 6 hour session, 3 hours of which is slumbering, then your slumbering is exactly 50.000%, but generally these aren't nice round percentages. Furthermore, the rounding would need to be done in such a way that the total avgDo%+avgSn%+avgSl% is always 100%; this used to be an issue after rounding. I've done all this now. So, I now have a more accurate determination of avgDo%,avgSn%,avgSl%, you'd think, since I'm no longer relying on (quite arbitrary) rounding down, and making sure the percentages add up to 100%. But somehow the percentages are quite a bit off as you can see in the image.. now more like 40% of the avgDo%,avgSn%,avgSl% predictions are spot on, and like 55% has a -1% offset, and the rest are -2% or +1%

I'm not sure why this is happening so i'm gonna see if averages over a different nr of sessions might remedy it, but I can't really imagine that being the case here because it's such a large error. I have a suspicion the game's spaghetti code does some weird stuff here (once again)🙃

[little sage]

I thought %more was simply the result of rounding up % minus Avg% (time-based). Are you saying that you’re trying to reverse-engineer Avg% from %more?

[minor rain]

sorry, how do you mean?

e.g. for dozing, %more Dozing = ceil( the % of Dozing, time-based ) - 30-session avg Dozing%?

this is a pretty integral part i've never managed to pinpoint down to 100% accuracy

I'm indeed trying to reverse engineer how the more% is determined, just cuz it's a part of the puzzle which I wanna get right properly before i can do more accurate analysis (since sometimes the sessions are like 1% or 2% away from a different sleep style, it feels)

[little sage]

if you get dozing

dozing%more = ceiling(dozing% - dozingAvg%)

%more

%-Avg

[minor rain]

🤯

I did not know this, thanks

that's gonna save me some time

[little sage]

Now you can use that extra time for a nap😂

[fervent rose]

and to confirm, the # of sessions used for "(x)Avg%" is 30?

[little sage]

yes

[fervent rose]

I will try to implement into my sheet soon then... thank you

[fervent rose]

OK, fixed my sheet, added a new page based on what I understand of your two's discussion

using my collected sessions starting from June 1st 2024, this is my "error rate" for matching the "x% more"
I use difference between true sleep type % (based on the minutes in the session) and 30 session average of %
then round that difference up, and compare to the "x% more" number
let me know if I understood this wrong: dozing%more = ceiling(dozing% - dozingAvg%)
ceiling for me is round up (ex. 62.01 --> 63%)
dozing% based on minutes for today's session, no rounding
dozingAvg% based on average of the % number of the last 30 session dozing%, no rounding

I think maybe I need to round somewhere sooner, for example this situation lol... rereading your document

I also have some interesting situations like this, where it says I have 1% more dozing, but actually, my dozing is less than my average (and so, very confusing: why is my type "dozing", not "slumbering"?)

when I look at my data to see if I can explain the first image, I did manual entry on 6/18/24 (so the game shows 0 minutes for each sleep type)... if I remove that day's info, the difference for that day goes to 0%, but then all of the days after start getting messed up (1%, 2%, 3% difference in prediction vs real %more...)

for second image...I cannot explain why. Unless I messed up my data entry, I have no abnormal session between 7/1 and 7/30 (which is used for 30 session calculation).

[fervent rose]

on this note, regarding this same session... If I go into my data to change the manual entry % sleep style to "100% dozing, 0% snoozing, 0% slumbering" (instead of 0%, 0%, 0% due to the time calculation) --- the prediction becomes very wrong.
first pic is using 0%, 0%, 0% for manual session; and second pic is using 100%, 0%, 0%.
when I use 100%, 0%, 0%, all of the "x% more dozing" is suddenly off... so it is definitely not considered 100% dozing session lol

hmmm... and if I remove the session entirely from the data and pretend it doesn't exist, my other 2 sleep types (especially slumbering) suddenly also have more problems...

[fervent rose]

I leave this second sheet up, where I deleted 6/18/24 manual day entry and fixed my formula under if you want to look at it too (sheet is named "delete manual 6/18 day")

since the numbers are best if I count the session as "0%, 0%, 0%"... I conclude the manual session is counted in the 30 sessions for Avg%, and actually it is counted as "dozing 0%, snoozing 0%, slumbering 0%"... so the Avg% of the 3 types do not add up to 100% when including the manual session, and the value of the 30 session Avg% for all three types decreases...??

let me know if you think it is good evidence to change this section, or if there is something you want me to test...I think I was wrong when we discussed this before, I made judgement too fast without doing math sorry if I mislead you and was the reason for this comment here...

[fervent rose]

ok... I also added column O-Q on the sheet "based on SS/Thijs", to quickly see how big the value of the difference was, for the "more than"/sleep style picked
the game likes to give me dozing even though I have a bigger difference in another sleep type...? 😭 I knew I wasn't making it up that the game gave me dozing too easily...

[little sage]

rounding up should align with the %more value; if it doesn't, it indicates a mistake in the raw data entry
I've tested this about 250 times so far, and I've never seen a discrepancy between the rounded and %more values

[fervent rose]

oh, hello!

hmm... for which number do you round up?

only the difference like I said above, dozing%more = ROUNDUP(dozing% - dozingAvg%)?

or are dozing% and dozingAvg% rounded up first?

[little sage]

dozing%more = ROUNDUP(dozing% - dozingAvg%)

[fervent rose]

guess I will check my data entry

... my data looks ok... at least on quick check, total time = sum of my time for each style

[fervent rose]

you really do no rounding, not even decimal points (ex. 46.3157894736842....% dozing --> 46.32% dozing) or something?

can I have some help understanding this part?
is it like, for example if you get "dozing" sleep style yesterday with X% Dozing
today, if the %dozing > X, then you will definitely not get normal "balanced sleep style"?

how do you explain more than 1 day in a row of normal balanced sleep style?

[little sage]

no rounding
but if there's no error in the data entry, we must consider the possibility that there is rounding happening somewhere in the calculation

[little sage]

after looking at your data, I've been reconsidering my opinion about balanced
While there was a definite trend in my data, it seems that it doesn't necessarily apply universally

[fervent rose]

ideally, I would try to get natural balanced many days in a row, to have good data to work with

but... well... I cannot sleep like a robot.... LOL

my best time was between 3/28-4/12, in those 16 days, I got balanced 9 times

but I haven't been able to be as consistent at that time

[little sage]

I've been reviewing your data and it seems like 1/10/24 data has been included in the average for the last 30 sessions

[fervent rose]

ah... it may be better to start from the bottom

wow I can't believe I started so long ago LOL

[little sage]

Not only should you cross-check with the total time, but when you have a moment, double-check your entries against past data in the app to see if there are any discrepancies
I'm honestly surprised because this hasn't happened with my data before, but if everything checks out, I think we need to seriously consider the possibility of rounding error

[fervent rose]

Ah, this thread is kind of dead

Recently I’ve been getting no %more dozings

I guess I’m happy about it since I’m trying to find Grubbin, but, 1st set is especially confusing to me

Well, both sets

I think with my averages, 5% can reasonably get me dozing type, but, 50% snoozing should definitely get me snoozing

Same on 2nd, just… where is my % more…?

[fast saffron]

has anyone experienced their tracking suddenly switching from slumbering to snoozing halfway? i intended to fully slumber and let it auto stop after 6 hours as i laid it on a flat surface, but after 3 or so hours it just went into snoozing and never left it till i stopped tracking.

[weak jasper]

Can anyone explain to me how to get snoozing sleep? I am trying my hardest to get it to be snoozing but if I have a DROP of dozing in there then I always get dozing type...

this became dozing type to me this morning, and this happens to me all the time

[minor rain]

if this gives dozing then it looks like your dozing average % is very low

so you gotta get some high dozing% sessions to balance it, then getting snoozing will be more doable

likewise maybe your snoozing% is too high in which case you'd also want to balance it out with some high slumbering% sessions

[weak jasper]

ok, I can definitely do more slumbering sessions, I try to do those every now and again by putting it on a flat surface. How would I get higher dozing sessions? Put it in sleep mode while I'm at work?

[minor rain]

use the interval timer app

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see this message and below it

[minor rain]

Not sure I've ever seen 1% more than usual

[restive cradle]

How tf is that not balanced

[minor rain]

right????

[livid sage]

maybe its because one of your sleep types is way lower than usual, out of the range for balanced so it needs to pick the greater of the remaining two types no matter how close?

complete guess, I don't know how these work

[minor rain]

nah my averages are nothing out of the ordinary