Guide on how sleep styles work & how to fake Dozing / Snoozing / Slumbering

[grim sigil]

For me, i put every minute for dozing and every 10 minutes for snoozing

[rigid lake]

^ me

Wait sorry 55 seconds for dozing. Cause 1 min sometimes get me snoozing

[grim sigil]

What is this??? Lol

Am i dying? Lol like heart rate

[rigid lake]

Dying would be flat line 🤪

[grim sigil]

Irregular heartbeat lol

Past 4 days has been pretty much consistent so not sure why yesterday was like this

[rigid lake]

Probably the location of the pogo++?

[vague furnace]

does anyone have a guide for how to use the Interval Timer app?

mainly i just tried to use it and i couldnt figure out how to make it vibrate maybe im just stupid

[rigid lake]

Are you on IOS?

1. Make sure top left corner of the app has the vibration icon. If not tap the icon and it’ll switch between volume, mute, vibration icon

2. make sure your phone has haptics on (assuming you’re on IOS)

Then do a test run

[vague furnace]

on android

the teatimer app which i currently use has the vibration option

but its a lot simpler / not as automatic

[lime oar]

i'll just send a recording of all the settings im using which works wonderfully

on android btw. i have noticed that this method really doesnt work for me when i keep my phone on a hard surface, but on my bed it does work

not sure what's up with that, but I'm sure it depends on what kind of surface you put it, and on your phone.. super hard to put a finger on it, so you just gotta test for yourself

i used this 15 min thing for the past 2 days. first i keep my phone on the bed for an hour or two, (then sometimes i do like 30-60 min of dozing when i just use my phone), and then i put it on my bed with the 15min interval thingie and have it next to me while I sleep. so it never reached slumbering (cuz for that it'd need approx 20-22 minutes of no movement), and it does reach dozing sometimes when there's movement on top of the vibrations

if you do this exact thing but with 10min, you ofc get a lot more dozing, and if you do like 20min you'll still get plenty of snoozing and just a bit less dozing (maybe you even start getting the occasional bit of slumbering but idk)

oh yea 1 more very important thing

when you start the interval timer, you have to make very sure that the thing on the top left is in the 'vibration' mode, and not in the quiet mode or in sound mode

when you press the skip button to skip 1 of the (in my case) 100 timers, you'll feel the vibration and that's when you know it should work

[vague furnace]

ohh wow thanks that was right in front of my face an i didnt see it

[lime oar]

i really should update the post but i've really got better things to do lol

[vague furnace]

well I didn't know the top left corner was clickable

[lime oar]

you're welcome, yea it's a bit subtle lol

[vague furnace]

but that's really cool

[lime oar]

yea it's a fantastic app

just play around with it a bit during a nap, then once you are sure that works you could keep your phone all night on a surface that works with it and not have to keep it on your bed

idrc about that since i'm pretty happy with the way im controlling it rn, but i know some people like to keep it away from their bed and control the entire session which is very well doable with this app

i just am very wary of trusting a 20 or 30 min 'initial' interval to hit slumbering, cuz if there's just a single vibration anywhere in-between that time you're gonna cut hours off your sleep session (or if you're lucky you never hit slumbering at all)

[night canyon]

I just discovered this thread today

[lime oar]

it's outdated in the sense that it doesn't include anything about the interval timer app (which is a convenient replacement for the calendar notifications), but for the rest it should work a charm

[rigid lake]

@lime oar app acting up. My vibrations not going through 😭

[lime oar]

Vibrations not working or not being picked up?

Lemme see if mine worked

[lime oar]

Worked fine for me. I did every 5min so that it is snoozing but also a ton of dozing cuz i put it on my bed

[rigid lake]

Not being picked up

[lime oar]

😭

None of the vibrations at all?

[rigid lake]

Like I did my saved session thing that does 2 hour dozing, 3 hour snoozing

But it picks up 30 min dozing 40 min snoozing.

[lime oar]

Oof and the rest slumbering or?

[balmy crystal]

Been struggling to get snoozing lately. Needing to Ralf farm and tbh I’ve forgotten how I manage to hit snoozing on IOS without Go+

[rigid lake]

Yes rest slumbering

[night canyon]

wait so to confirm, is there an app which can help provide movement to iOS phones..?

I’m trying to check pins and search, but threads UI is a nightmare on mobile

[floral ferry]

mobile discord is just hell

[acoustic hedge]

you can either just set alarms in ur alarm app or use google calendar but i think there is also an interval timer app on ios

[lime oar]

Need a 2nd device to do the vibrations

[lime oar]

Literally is in settings LOL makes no sense

[lime oar]

Interval timer, yea

Works a charm

Except today with mesa somehow lol

[lime oar]

Strange i hope it works tonight

[rigid lake]

I hear the vibration going off

So I’m confused why the pogo not register it

[lime oar]

Strange :S

[acoustic hedge]

mesa?

mesa jarjar binks

[night canyon]

Wait wtf why is it in settings

DISCORD PLZ

[acoustic hedge]

lmfao

[rigid lake]

😭😭

[acoustic hedge]

OJ UR MESA

IM STUPID

[rigid lake]

wtf too much emojis

My original comment was blocked

[acoustic hedge]

max is 5

except in #spheal-sanctuary

[rigid lake]

Since when!

[acoustic hedge]

always

[rigid lake]

Omph

[rigid lake]

@lime oar ok it worked

But I got snoozing 😔 when I want dozing

This is BS

It was 29/35/36

[lime oar]

IKR which boomer came with that idea

[lime oar]

Good that it at least worked

[lime oar]

Wow your averages are screwed LOL

[rigid lake]

It’s my slumber. It’s like 76% 😂

[rigid lake]

@lime oar I don’t get it

It didn’t register again

And I was dozing for 2 hours

[lime oar]

How tf

Nothing changed?

[rigid lake]

Nope

Same hard surface

Same phone

Same program

[lime oar]

Ugh idk bruh

Hopefully the game didn't change sth

[rigid lake]

Umm 🤔

[floral ferry]

i wonder how easy it would be to manipulate sleep on a smartwatch

[rigid lake]

Not easy

According to what other posts, it’ll go off your heart rate

[floral ferry]

damn, can't take it off otherwise the game will think i've died and call me a cheater

[hollow salmon]

Easy: get yourself a pet snake approximately the size of your wrist and place watch around that

[sharp crescent]

Dozing: just using the phone hours before i actually sleep and maybe putting it very near me would do it right?

[rigid lake]

Yes

[lime oar]

Yea just gotta give it enough time to slumber at the start since you otherwise lose that part completely (session doesnt start until you hit slumbering at some point)

[sharp crescent]

yeah i'm always putting it on nighttable for 10mins but another question now, i also heared when waking up ..
we also need to put it on nighttable for 10mins? otherwise it doesn't trigger Dozing sleep

[lime oar]

It takes the last snoozing of the session as the end of the session

So if you have 1h dozing at the end, it wont count

1h dozing and then 1min snoozing or slumbering at the very end? Then the 1hr does count

[sharp crescent]

hmm am i doing it wrong then?
i was putting it on nighttable for the last 10mins @lime oar

i can't follow anymore

[rigid lake]

Post your last session trend

[sharp crescent]

but i didn't start 'hours' ago to do it

i just don't know how it works for the last hours

[rigid lake]

Looks fine. you hit snoozing at the end

What Thijs is saying is IF you DIDNT hit snoozing or slumbering before waking up

Your dozing from 7-8 am would be omitted

[sharp crescent]

oh ok!

i hit snoozing at the end probably cuz i'm putting phone on nighttable for the last 10mins @rigid lake

[lime oar]

Yea should be enough for the end cuz youll hit snoozing maybe even slumbering

Id just do more than 10min at the start of the session just to be safe

[cerulean dragon]

For reference I just recorded a normal looking sleep with my phone in a bag on the floor on a 12 hour flight. Last time I had it in a bag on a seat and never hit slumbering

Probably this time the phone was better padded

[lime oar]

lol wtf that is crazy

didnt know that was possible

[rigid lake]

My nap failed 🥲

@sharp crescent

This is a good example

I didn’t hit snoozing/slumbering towards the end

[sharp crescent]

how did that failed?

u didn't left it on your nighttable or so for 10mins at the end, is that why?

[lime oar]

Yep it takes the last moment of snoozing as the end of the nap so it will ignore the rest of the dozing at the end 😦

The nap didnt fail, it's just the duration is a lot shorter than it should have been

[rigid lake]

Failed to me 😭

I wanted 20+ sleep power

[lime oar]

oh yea ofc, was just clarifying to Red

rip

[rigid lake]

It’s ok my second sleep of 97

Had 3 new sleep styles

Saved!

[lime oar]

damn nice

[sharp crescent]

thank you 😊🙏🏼

[wooden gulch]

a month late but im resorting to this method now lol, what are your reps settings for the snoozing timer in this vid?

[lime oar]

wdym? i think the full info is in the vid but correct me if im wrong

[wooden gulch]

like for each subtimer thing theres the "time" section which u show and then the "reps" section to control ig how many times it does the vibration

unless im misreading the app

wait nvm yeah i was misinterpreting that

[lime oar]

ah ok ok cool

lemme know if sth is unclear still

[wooden gulch]

i think i got it 🙏 ty for the guide

[errant crane]

is the app now tracking sleep more accurately or is it just me?

like i had my phone on my bedside table for about an hour before i actually went to sleep like usual

but this time it didn't count that time as having slept

[rigid lake]

Can you post the sleep graph?

[errant crane]

yep

[lime oar]

huh how is that first hour completely dozing :S

was music playing from your phone? was the bedside table (too) close to your bed?

[rigid lake]

Do you live in a high rise / apartment building?

Cause my work building always gives me dozing ٩(×̯×)۶

[errant crane]

maybe the bedside table is too close yeah

its my house but its super old

so its not out of the question that me moving on my bed would creak the floor enough to trigger the phone's movement

[rigid lake]

Yeah that’s no good 😞

We recommend just leaving in bed minimum 10 mins before your bedtime to hit slumbering

[errant crane]

yeah that's probs better you're right

i'll try that tonight

luckily moving out in about a week to a newer place

[rigid lake]

🫡

I usually start the session, walk my dog. Do bedtime routine, then go sleep

[lime oar]

could do, but constant dozing is odd. but yea try moving it a bit further 😄

when i put it on the shelf above my desk it is somehow consistently snoozing

even tho it doesnt move at all and is not connected to my desk

so somehow the vibrations through the wall do it, lol

still puzzles me

[errant crane]

thats some crazy vibrations lol

before it usually tracked as slumbering so yeah idk

[lime oar]

yea that's what makes it really weird

hopefully it works from now on

[errant crane]

worked this time!

[sharp crescent]

will it be a problem if i continue with fake dozing sleep for weeks?

[rigid lake]

Your numbers will shift

[sharp crescent]

huh? what does that means

[rigid lake]

Your averages will change. So let’s say your dozing/snoozing/slumbering is 20/40/40

If your dozing number this week is higher. It’ll shift your averages

[sharp crescent]

where can i see that 20/40/40?

[rigid lake]

Before your session graph shows up it says “you have x % more dozing then usual”

Something like that

They don’t tell you exactly

[sharp crescent]

oh ok yeah i know what u mean now thanks!

[lime oar]

Read the main post about the averages (see pinned messages) if you wanna know more

[sharp crescent]

i found it and tbh i didn't know about that Average thing, now i learned it 😄 thank you!

[lime oar]

yay happy to hear

yea it's cuz everyone has a different mattress and phone so the tracking will be different so they wanna make your sleep experience personalised, otherwise you might end up with slumbering every day if you have a very stiff mattress

[buoyant mesa]

hey hey, i wanna try napping for ~2hrs w the interval timer app, are there any specific things i need to look out for? i tried scrolling up but besides the settings used for longer sleep i couldnt find anything. i wanna go for dozing specifically for the naps to get drifloon. how should i time the vibrations and does there need to be slumbering too?

[lime oar]

#1235680850012536872 message maybe this vid helps?

for dozing you wanna have the vibrations be within a minute of each other

and yes you need slumbering at the start, and snoozing (or slumbering) at the end for the session to be valid (read the main post where i explain this more)

[buoyant mesa]

yea i watched it but i still didnt get if i need to have slumbering in that too 😭 or if there are specific requirements

[lime oar]

#1235680850012536872 message e.g. this session only counted for like 15 minutes or so

#1235680850012536872 message
#1235680850012536872 message
these explain the slumbering you need at the start

same for the snoozing at the end

those are essential to know before you do any sort of faking the sleep styles cuz you may run into sessions which are cut short by a lot

[buoyant mesa]

yes thank u so much i was scrolling for those but i didnt know how far up they were

[lime oar]

yw!

[buoyant mesa]

so if i want to fake dozing i let it go to slumbering and then set vibrations for at least 1-2x per minute until 10-20 minutes before the nap ends so it goes back to slumbering?

[lime oar]

yea basically

snoozing at the end is also fine, but might as well take the safe route

[buoyant mesa]

alright thanks a lot

[lime oar]

yw and gl. be sure to test it first on a nap, ideally

then you can verify if the vibrations come through etc

[buoyant mesa]

ofc!

do u think 40 seconds is too many? should i do every 60sec?

[lime oar]

should be fine. 60 s isnt guaranteed

[buoyant mesa]

alright. thank uu

[sharp crescent]

mine is now 8% more Dozing, is that bad already? 😅
i've no clue, i still want to force Dozing sleep for a couple more weeks i think

[rigid lake]

What was your total dozing for that session

I don’t think you understand what Thijs and I are trying to say. Maybe you need to re read the guide.

Whatever your averages are, you need to get MORE than that to get that sleep style

So if your dozing/snoozing/slumbering average is 20/40/40

You need more than 20% for a chance to get dozing

What we are warning you to be careful of, is if your averages get too high for you

So if you end up manipulating your dozing and you go from 20/40/40 to like 70/20/10

It’ll be more difficult for you to get dozing and be easier for you to hit slumbering

[sharp crescent]

oohh ok ok, yeah my english isn't super good thats why i misunderstood. Thank you!

so if i do Dozing for months, and after that if i want to fake slumbering for example, that will be very hard right?

[quiet fossil]

It will be easier

Because your dozing become your new balanced

[lime oar]

oh if this is 8% more dozing then your average dozing is 30%, which is very high. if you wanna get dozing again soon, use this and next week (have random styles spawn anyways!) to 'skew' your averages, i.e. get sessions with very high slumbering/snoozing such that you lower your dozing average (which is now super high at 30%) so you can get dozing again after the event

pls read the guide cuz i wrote so much on it there which really should help out, even if it's a bit extensive

[lime oar]

fake slumbering of snoozing is super easy now.
faking dozing is becoming very hard

see the guide (faking dozing section)

and the basics section is a must reead

[sharp crescent]

@lime oar gotcha, so it's better now if u do Slumbering/Snoozing instead of Dozing.
So after the event i can get easy Dozing back, since it's getting harder and harder now

[lime oar]

exactly

you might be able to lower your dozing avg to like 20% by the end of the event, making it much more easy to get dozing again

also avoid doing like 80% dozing sessions cuz you'll ruin your dozing average too much

but now do try to get like 0%dozing 50%snoozing and 50% slumbering sessions so that your dozing avg becomes low asap

im kinda doing the same rn. leaving my phone get like 100% slumbering

cuz my slumbering% is far too low

[sharp crescent]

100% slumbering? after 6hours it doesn't count so i'm curious how u do that 😂

btw thanks alot for your time and help!

[lime oar]

doing a nap rn

so it'll be like 2.5h

[lime oar]

you're welcome, hope it helps you

[sharp crescent]

i appreciate it

[lime oar]

overnight it's harder yea, i kickstart it (see the pinned messages @ the slumbering section)

[sharp crescent]

@rigid lake when i was reading your messages, i was at work 😄 now i reread everything, i understand!
sorry for the ping, i just want to thank you also Thijs! For your time&effort 🙏🏼
it helped alot

[rigid lake]

No worries! Glad it’s clear

[rigid lake]

@lime oar my airplane sleep

😭😭😭😭

[lime oar]

nooooooooo

got too much movement 😭

@candid junco you managed to do an airplane sleep properly right? any idea how this might have happened?

[lime oar]

wait you use pg++ right

did anyone do an airplane sleep with pg++

[rigid lake]

That’s me with pogo++

Last time I did it, was fine

But I guess this time too much turbulence

Cause the time they said too much movement I was sleeping 🤣

[lime oar]

oh really

damn

funny yesterday i was in a tesla with a friend and he showed that it accelerated to 80 km/h in like 2 seconds and first thing i was thinking "hmm would this acceleration be enough to cause too much movement" LOL

anyway back to the shadow realm that is called uni work

[rigid lake]

Lmao

[candid junco]

i've done it multiple times with both of my phones

i feel like you gotta keep your phone flat / horizontal

of course the first step is that you have to leave it stationary on a surface for at least 5-10 min to let it enter slumbering

for example anecdotally I've noticed that when I took the lift down and walked 3min to get lunch with my phone in my pocket (and sleeping), it caused the sleep session disqualification, whereas if i hold the phone horizontally i can even take the train back from my office for 50min + 10min walk back home and it's still just considered Dozing

tl;dr try to keep the phone screen parallel to the ground instead of vertical, that's my experience of whether it gets disqualified or not

(or it might just be that my phone accelerometers are going to shit)

OK LOL i now see that u did the sleep with pogo+ so everything i said is kinda irrelevant... oh well useful for other ppl i guess

[lime oar]

this makes sense from things i've seen too now that i think about it, interesting observation

[tardy vale]

@lime oar do you know why this ended as balanced and not slumbering ? (my slumbering percentage is not too high), it said it was unable to determine sleep style and so it counted the whole sleep and went balanced instead of only the Last few minutes as slumbering, I think it is because of the dozing line at the start which is in between snoozing and dozing, but not sure, and was curious if you figured out why this happens ?

I already experienced the bar getting higher than dozing but never this one in between

[lime oar]

I'm pretty sure it's cuz the first time non-dozing only happened over halfway into the session

[tardy vale]

So not hitting anything else than dozing at the start makes it a full time counted balanced sleep with that in between bar ?

[lime oar]

in the first 50% of the session yea

cnt type properly rn but i cn ellaborte tonight xd

🥳

[tardy vale]

Oooh ok, I thought it was only happening this way if I was not hitting slumbering at all

Yeah np thanks mate !

[lime oar]

nope also here. bit weird indeed

yw!

[eternal bolt]

Just confirming that if you hit slumbering in second half it will count all the time before. This also goes if you hit snoozing in the first half, though (doesn't need to be all dozing)

[lime oar]

i looked up who said it and where

#1162807020437651526 message

this person is super knowledgable on this stuff (SongSeed, but it looks like they left the server 😦 )

[lime oar]

oh interesting, i didnt remember. good to know

[tardy vale]

Thanks a lot both of you

[wicked yarrow]

hi

[rigid lake]

@lime oar wtf is your name

I can’t get dozing

Did 55 seconds like I normally do and got snoozing

[lime oar]

are you sure it's vibrating hard enough and like 2-3 times per vibratioN?

[rigid lake]

You just reminded me I need to put it on a hard surface

[lime oar]

For me not needed but nice if that's how you get it to work

[rigid lake]

Funny enough my dozing worked yesterday

After I complained to you

Need to complain more

[glacial magnet]

How much do the manual phone methods apply to the Plus +? Like, would picking it up and putting it down every 10-15 minutes on a flat surface work to get Snoozing?

[quiet fossil]

Every 10 works for me

[glacial magnet]

Alright, I’ll try that tomorrow if putting my Plus at the foot of my bed tonight doesn’t work

….or I could give myself a headstart later by doing the slumbering thing before I really head to bed 🤔

[quiet fossil]

Always do that before starting a sleep session

[glacial magnet]

whoops, I meant snoozing since I have done the slumbering thing, but I keep getting Dozing because I apparently still move a lot in my sleep

I have always been a sleepwalker/talker/mover and never grew out of it. I thought the clonazepam zapped it, but clearly not LASKDj

[quiet fossil]

No matter what sleep style u want to manipulate, start with putting your device on night stand or flat surface.
This is to ensure that tracking start faster

[glacial magnet]

at least my night terrors are in remission now?

[glacial magnet]

Noted, thank you!

Is the reason the instructions say to put on a soft surface purely so it can track us?

[quiet fossil]

You want the "Time taken to fall asleep" close to 0 minutes

The app only starts tracking after that

[glacial magnet]

Fortunately, I tend to land between 0-5 minutes

if I were to leave it sitting

[quiet fossil]

Same

I'm also at 5 minutes

Usually i left to bathroom after that

[regal venture]

I’ve been having trouble getting my normal methods to work too, it’s been really inconsistent all around trying to get any style to work since the last update

[glacial magnet]

I might have screwed up somewhere last night

Or my ratio is just so stacked in favor of dozing >.>;

(My previous balanced type’s ratios tend to have a very high percentage of Snoozing, which is obnoxious)

Glad I used the Pawmi incense

Even if the Pawmi I got sucks

[hollow salmon]

What phone do you have? I’ve been hitting super high consistency the past few weeks

[regal venture]

Tracking on go++

[hollow salmon]

Do you have android or iPhone tho?

[regal venture]

iPhone

[hollow salmon]

You ever use your phone under your go++? I have an iPhone shortcut I built I can share with you for guaranteed dozing

Just need to set custom haptic vibration for calendar events in settings. The code will auto generate a spaced repetition of calendar events for 8 hours, so you can get 90+% dozing

Changing the interval between events to 6 min guarantees snoozing

[regal venture]

I have gotten guaranteed dozing in the past but it’s been inconsistent only in the past few weeks for some reason

[regal venture]

for anyone in the future asking the same question i was asking

the problem was that my go++ was low on battery

i put it on charge and we are back to normal

[obtuse ginkgo]

@hollow salmon do you still have the shortcut for share? Needing dozing 😵‍💫🐤

[hollow salmon]

I do! I’m trying to figure out how to share it without using my personal iCloud

[obtuse ginkgo]

Oh okay! If not then I could do a tutorial like adding it on my own. Whatever works for you

[hollow salmon]

That’s the whole shortcut if you wanna do it yourself! I prob won’t be able to look at share options for a bit

[obtuse ginkgo]

Would it be under automation?

[hollow salmon]

You’d make a new shortcut in your shortcuts app

Not sure what the automation is

Also make sure you set your calendar event notification as haptic only and set a custom vibration in settings

I do something like this

[obtuse ginkgo]

Ah ok, thanks let me see what I can cook up

[hollow salmon]

Oh I just saw automations

It’s not that

It’s a shortcut

[obtuse ginkgo]

If you don’t mind explaining, what are the set variables? What does it do exactly

[hollow salmon]

Wait I think I figured out sharing

Check dms

[obtuse ginkgo]

Ok!

[lime oar]

@rigid lake is switching to pg++ worth it?

like how difficult is it to still fake sleep styles and shit

and is it a pain in the morning to sync or whatever you have to do? (asking for a friend who has extreme time rush every morning, totally a friend, not me )

[cerulean dragon]

100% worth it for me. Faking sleep styles works the same as phone by just placing it on the phone. In the morning I just have to press the button and head off, can sync it later when I have free time. Also compared to phone tracking you can give your sleep exp/energy to a different team to what you used at night, for more optimisation options if you like

[lime oar]

oo thx! what do you mean with 'syncing it later'? i have no clue what this syncing entails exactly. suppose you are away all day without your pg++, you will need to wait till the evening to review your sleep cuz you couldnt sync it all day?

[cerulean dragon]

Ah syncing has two parts, first part the pg++ transfers the sleep to your phone and gives your current team the sleep exp+energy. The second part checking the sleep styles you can do even later, I think it still needs the pg++ around? I recently got mine so I havent tried doing it away yet

I can give it a try tonight but someone else can give an answer first

[lime oar]

ahhh ok I see, so the transfering to phone and giving sleep exp+energy is done by a simple button press?

probably mesa can tell us at some point

[cerulean dragon]

No, pressing the button ends the sleep. Then in-game you press sync to transfer it. Sorry I didnt elaborate on that because I bring the pg++ with me anyway and sync on my commute

If you want to leave it at home then I guess you should sync at least the first part at home

[rigid lake]

😳

Pogo++ you’re paying for convenience. Being able to free up your phone is a HUGE advantage

With small perks here and there

[lime oar]

Exactly cuz im planning to get a new phone and dont want its battery to die

[rigid lake]

Oh then definitely get a pogo++

[lime oar]

ahhh i see, i guess that means you can't put your phone on a table 'sleeping' just before leaving and then pick it up to leave home straight away

i'll have to sacrifice some 100 sleeps for sure

[cerulean dragon]

just start the sleep like a whole hour before sleeping, and you can keep using your phone 🙂

or however long you need

(I actually use it to nap during the day too, from 12 to 5, then its easy to get the rest of the sleep at night)

[lime oar]

you'd be surprised how little I sleep sometimes but often i start at 10pm (my bedtime window is 10-12) so if leave before 7 so it's only barely enough if i go downstairs at 6.30

[lime oar]

honestly naps are the way just for this reason

tbh in that case i'll probably nap every day and that'll fix it

[cerulean dragon]

indeed, it was just hard to nap before if I needed to use my phone while tracking

[lime oar]

yea so true lol

[rigid lake]

Remember to get a pogo++ for my gf too

[lime oar]

She came with the idea first yea :p

Also, my gf

[rigid lake]

Mine now 😏

[cerulean dragon]

I can confirm now that after waking up, you can go in-game and press sync then "review later", and the sleep will be stored on your phone you can check the styles later even if you leave the pg++ at home. Which I guess isn't that different to phone tracking after all so depends if you like the other convenient aspects

Perhaps the wear on a phone's battery from overnight charging is worth the cost of the pg++ anyway

[glacial magnet]

actually a bit easier to fake sleep styles because it doesn't record sound

[lime oar]

Sound doesnt play a role unless it makes the surface vibrate

#general message

[tardy vale]

I ve heard conflictual things about sound, and in my personnal experience my kids didnt let snorlax fall asleep, and they were just doing noise, no vibration, not even in the same room

And since game records sounds it prolly does something with it, but idk what and how

[lime oar]

oooo interesting, that sounds like it's worth it for me personally then

thanks for testing it out

[lime oar]

i do have some weird situations such as today where i put my phone in the windowsill the last 30min before i leave, so that it gets slumbering, but today it was dozing all the time

while most other days it hits snoozing easily

i doubt this has to do with sound tho. and the windowsill is proper stone so like there's no vibrations to worry about there

[tardy vale]

maybe there was little earthquakes you couldnt feel

no idea tbh to be sure I prefer to put my phone in silent places for my fake naps

it also means I cannot fake naps when kids are awake tho

[lime oar]

yea makes sense, better safe than sorry

[rigid lake]

Maybe it was windy

Or big trucks nearby

Make the whole place vibrate

[lime oar]

nah definitely not

[mental crag]

You know the way to do this on android?

[mental crag]

Nvm I found one 😉

[thorn sun]

i tried this and instead it tried to get me to add event 60 times

[lime oar]

try interval timer, works a charm

[hollow salmon]

Yeah do interval timer instead it’s better

[tight iron]

Mind sharing the method?

[mental crag]

Tea Timer app on android

[hollow salmon]

@obtuse ginkgo

[obtuse ginkgo]

Thanks!

Is there a config to follow in order to get snoozing?

[rigid lake]

Vibration every 10 mins

[obtuse ginkgo]

On interval app?

Because when I try to configure anything, it beeps @rigid lake No cibrations.

Vibrations *

[rigid lake]

Then you didn’t set it up properly

[obtuse ginkgo]

Hm.. how do I convert it to vibrations? If you don’t mind me asking

[rigid lake]

Change your phone settings so it vibrates when there is an alert

[lime oar]

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try one of these

pretty sure i showed how to make it so it vibrates instead of beeps

[obtuse ginkgo]

Thanks. Figuring out how to make my phone just vibrate. I never touch iOS lol

Thanks!

I toggled that but it still won’t vibrate. I’ll go looking through settings to see what I can find

[lime oar]

yes ok

[obtuse ginkgo]

Found it 🙂

Figured it out

Had this on silent mode

[lime oar]

yesss

[obtuse ginkgo]

Thanks a bunch, will test it tonight

[obtuse ginkgo]

Nice 🙂

Thanks

[rigid lake]

Make sure you don’t overdo it as it’ll mess with your averages

[obtuse ginkgo]

First time

I had 6 days of slumbering

Naturally Ofcourse. So yeah I’ll be fine.

[rigid lake]

It’s just a heads up. We’ve had a few people overdo it and their snoozing was 90%+ 🫣

[thorn sun]

should i snooze again tonight or put it in my bed and accept dozing

[rigid lake]

Event is currently forced balanced I believe? I usually use this time to reset sleep %

[obtuse ginkgo]

Does the vibration method work without go++? Like th phone alone vibrating while sleeping

[lime oar]

funny i've had slumbering for literally 3 weeks straight

basically havent done any intentional sleep style manipulating and apparently my 'normal' sleep contains that much slumbering idK? i do also start my session like 1-2h before i sleep and during most of this time i dont use my phone

[lime oar]

yea, but iOS tends to not let vibrations through while using the app so you gotta use a 2nd phone to vibrate, and put your tracking phone on top it, but you gotta play around with it a bit in a controlled setting (e.g. during a fake nap)

Lmfao

[obtuse ginkgo]

I see,, I’ll see what results show tonight

[obtuse ginkgo]

For some reason if my phone screen is off, the notification won’t play until I turn on my phone

Turn on my phone screen. Nothing changed. Literally same thing from yesterday

If I try 30 second timers to test, it’ll vibrate. But the 15 minute vibration does not go through

[obtuse ginkgo]

I woke up to slumbering today, I wonder if it has to do with stacking phones together.

[rigid lake]

You’re using one phone to vibrate below your Pokémon sleep phone?

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’m using my phone in the middle, under is my gf’s phone. Pokémon go ++ at the very top

I received no notifications which prob had to do with some interference or

Idk, she has dnd and sleep focus on her phone while mine has none

[rigid lake]

Whose phone is suppose to vibrate?

Yours or your gf?

Who’s using the pogo++?

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’m using the go++ & vibration app

She’s using her phone to document sleep

[rigid lake]

Ahh you’re trying to use one phone to vibrate for both

[rigid lake]

Not sure how not getting any notifications would prevent your phone from vibrating

Is your phone on DND?

If so you have to put your vibration app as the exception / allowed

Also you might want to modify the vibrations under customs

So it won’t go by the default

It’s better to do like 2-3 long beeps

Instead of short fast beeps as sometimes it won’t register

[obtuse ginkgo]

I checked, stood up until 1AM. It was vibrating for the first few cycle

Cycles

After, it stopped. That was in the middle of
The night. I never have DND/game focus/ sleep focus on

I’ll try the longer beeps. It’s strange that It just doesn’t work after the second day.

[rigid lake]

Sometimes it’s just like that

I’ve had one time where the buzzing register as dozing

Same schedule and next day it register as snoozing

Sometimes the positioning of the pogo ++ matters

Like bottom half of the phone vs top half

[obtuse ginkgo]

I see. I’ll try a few different things

Tonight I’ll try without having her phone under mine

[rigid lake]

Did you have it on her phone and then on the bed?

Or was it on the table

[obtuse ginkgo]

Table

[obtuse ginkgo]

Tried looking, I found game mode being activated for pokemon sleep

I disabled it

[rigid lake]

If you’re using pogo++ your phone shouldn’t have Pokémon sleep open

[obtuse ginkgo]

I don’t anyway,

But I completely forgot that point

I just had interval timer open

[obtuse ginkgo]

Gonna try to sleep tonight without stacking

[obtuse ginkgo]

Seems to have happened again, everything closed on my iPhone except the interval timer, phone on night stand, vibrations stop coming through

[rigid lake]

What’s the frequency you’re doing

After the first 2 hours

[obtuse ginkgo]

Every 15 mins is what I stuck with since it worked the first day.
Yesterday night yielded near identical results as last night

Should I shorten it to 10 minutes?

At this point the first day was normal, but all other days seem to be failures

Idk if Apple AI is an issue so I disabled it, so many notification options on iOS it gets annoying lol

[rigid lake]

15 mins is too long IMO

I’ve always done 10 mins for snoozing

Also you put down slumbering for 30 mins

But your graph didn’t slumber for 30 mins

And you’re hitting dozing too

Did you move the device?

[obtuse ginkgo]

Yes when it skipped a vibration. I picked my
Phone up to make sure

When I unlock my phone it then vibrates. But like 5 minutes went by. It should’ve vibrated 5 mins before I picked it up. So last night was just me watching the device to see what’s happening

[rigid lake]

Sounds weird

[obtuse ginkgo]

I might just do calendar shortcut or something. Interval giving me issues. I’ll try 10 mins tonight but if nothing else ill do calendar shortcuts

[rigid lake]

I use to do calendar or reminders. Pain in the butt.

Interval been the easiest

[obtuse ginkgo]

It’s strange that it doesn’t work anymore

The one last thing I’ll try is reinstalling the app

[rigid lake]

When I started using the app, I had similar experience

But it eventually worked out

So I hope the same happen to you

Make sure phone is not face down. Then put pogo++ on the bottom half of your screen

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’ll try faced up.

[rigid lake]

Face down I assume you have a case

Which absorbs some of the vibration

[obtuse ginkgo]

Minimal case

But I can def do the faces up

Faced

[obtuse ginkgo]

Still issues.

@lime oar is there any other alternative to the timer? It seems to not work on my phone (iPhone 16 pro max)

Started noticing that when I unlock my phone, the vibration then plays

Otherwise it’d stay silent.

[lime oar]

maybe it doesnt have permissions to do stuff when the app isnt open? Idk

[obtuse ginkgo]

So weird. I might just try keeping the screen on all night

It’s weird it worked like a charm the first day

I reinstalled the app and tried other things

[lime oar]

just try all this stuff during naps in the weekend or sth

dont wanna risk

getting 6h slumber sucks

especially on an event week

[obtuse ginkgo]

No settings touched this was my first experiment with the timer

And it worked flawlessly

I checked all notifications

So weird.

[rigid lake]

It’s balanced week

[lime oar]

yea but it'll still cut off at 6h

[lime oar]

are you sure there are 0 vibrations being transmitted by your phone or they dont get picked up by your pgp+?

cuz try this on a nap like i've been saying lol

that's the easiest way to trial and error it

[rigid lake]

Restart phone?

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/it-problem-phone-call-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-gif-17823069

[rigid lake]

🤣

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’ve reset, I’ve also reinstalled my timer

As for a nap I’ll try doing one now

The things going, game is closed. Will try to get snoozing

[rigid lake]

How is your vibration

Did you customize it

Or you only have the default one vibration

[obtuse ginkgo]

Default

This is how im using it, screen up etc. the glass is really slippery so it sinks the pogo++ to the bottom.

I dunno what else to change, let me see what happens for this nap. Which should end at 7:30~

To 8ish

Depending if im not doing anything

I really wonder what th issue is

[rigid lake]

I usually put something on the bottom to hold the pogo++ in place

[obtuse ginkgo]

Adjusted to not be so far to the bottom of the screen.

[obtuse ginkgo]

It seems to be vibrating like normal an hour in

So strange how it stops at the middle of the night.

[rigid lake]

Does your phone have an automatic DND mode?

For middle of the night?

[obtuse ginkgo]

Nope

It’s vibrating like it’s intended to

[rigid lake]

Maybe it just wants to sleep too 🤣🤭

[obtuse ginkgo]

It’s working flawlessly too

Keeps vibrating

What a weird thing.

[obtuse ginkgo]

Compared to my first hour of last night it looked kinda similar but I’ll run more stuff

[obtuse ginkgo]

I might’ve found a fix

[obtuse ginkgo]

If i run the apple built it alarm app counting down from 23 hours and 59 mins + the interval counter counting down for snoozing, It’ll operate as normal. I ran it without the timer in the background and it didn’t vibrate after 2 times

No idea if its on my end

When doing the method of 2 timers running, it’ll vibrate without fail

Ill do more testing tonight

[obtuse ginkgo]

Seems my experiment didn’t work. No vibration

[lime oar]

interesting, might wanna try a 2.5 hour nap when you are able to, to verify if it stops vibrating

[lime oar]

does it always stop at 11pm?

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try comparing your vibration settings to this as well just in case

[obtuse ginkgo]

As soon as I go home ima test a normal sleep from 1PM-9PM to see if it’s to do with any nightly stuff

I also did. Check settings

I’ll show

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’m conducting another experiment. Realized my phone was in iOS 18.3 beta which is known to have issues

We’ll see tonight what happens. Can’t put myself to sleep as I’m not home yet

[hollow salmon]

@obtuse ginkgo sometimes if your go++ catches on the lip of your case it’ll stop picking up vibrations, but seems like ya fixed it so nvm

[obtuse ginkgo]

Do you ever put your phone faced down?

Want to try but not sure

[rigid lake]

I assume you use a phone case that dulls down the vibration

Hence why I suggested face up

But you can try

[edgy shell]

For some reason my pogo doesn't always pick up the vibrations

Would doing a different alert help

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’m not sure myself. I’m getting successful with sleeps due to downgrading my iOS to a more polished upgrade, it doesn’t miss a vibration now

@edgy shell what issues are you facing

[edgy shell]

Just that sometimes the pogo doesn't pick up the vibrations as movements

It doesn't fall off the phone or anything

[obtuse ginkgo]

So strange. It happens to me too sometimes. Like I got balanced this morning but my timer vibrates every 15 mins

[obtuse ginkgo]

When does the game count you asleep?

[lime oar]

when hitting slumbering first time

[obtuse ginkgo]

Yeah

How long does that take

Is the 30 mins in your interval timer the best amount of time for the game to determine you slumbering? @lime oar

[rigid lake]

Usually takes 10 mins

[obtuse ginkgo]

Can I cut it down to half like 15?

Or even 10

[rigid lake]

You’re talking about the initial slumbering right?

[obtuse ginkgo]

Yeah

And what setting do you use for a slumber sleep type?

[rigid lake]

I don’t use it

[obtuse ginkgo]

If you’re aiming for just slumber *

[rigid lake]

lol

[obtuse ginkgo]

ah ok.

[rigid lake]

Slumbering = no movement

[obtuse ginkgo]

Makes sense

[rigid lake]

But they do cap at 6.5 hours if you don’t have any movement

[obtuse ginkgo]

Maybe I’ll just put a 4 hour notification

[rigid lake]

So you want to have a vibration at a minimum every 6 hours

[obtuse ginkgo]

Ima try initial slumbering timer tonight at 15 min

[rigid lake]

Nobody does a timer for the initia slumber XD

[obtuse ginkgo]

Oh that’s weird

[rigid lake]

Usually they just 1) put the device to sleep and come back > 10-15 mins

[obtuse ginkgo]

I was following the guide that has the initial slumber

[rigid lake]

2. just don’t start vibrations until 10-15 mins later to not risk not being in slumber

[obtuse ginkgo]

Will do 🙂 thanks

[rigid lake]

Oh I didn’t read the guide 🫣 cause @lime oar is my gfs bf

🤭🤣

[obtuse ginkgo]

I see. It’s fine, I’ll do experiments. Notifications have been coming so I’m pretty happy

[lime oar]

10min risky af

[rigid lake]

I said usually! Then put 10-15 mins

15 mins more than enough

But 10 mins work for me

[obtuse ginkgo]

Idk what happened last night but I gotta figure out why I’m getting so much slumber

[rigid lake]

That’s balanced? 😳

No dozing at all

[obtuse ginkgo]

lol yeah none

So weird

[lime oar]

lol how low i your average dozing%??

[obtuse ginkgo]

Let me check

This was today

I always had dozing when I played this game

Before the actual purchase of Pokémon ++ I didn’t have anything except dozing and balanced lol, sometimes slumbering

Never snoozing

[lime oar]

do you always have 0% dozing or sth

[obtuse ginkgo]

The last few days with the ++ yes

[lime oar]

the fact that this was balanced with 0/46/54, but next day 0/47/53 is not balanced means some weird shit is going on 😂

can you try to get like a few % of dozing by just using your phone for like 20-30 min during a session (if possible) cuz i think it'll be insta dozing but not sure wtf is going on lmao

[obtuse ginkgo]

I’ll try but can’t promise anything

[rigid lake]

Nothing weird

This is typical for new pogo++ users when manipulating. Which is what I tried warning about

You gotta make sure you balance your averages lol

[hollow salmon]

I use forced balance weeks to reset

But otherwise just force dozing snoozing and slumbering by getting 90% +

[lime oar]

got a pg++, first step: trying out the sleep style manip methods

[lime oar]

@rigid lake do you know if this is true? I thought you had a way where you can like sync your strength in the morning or something? I've never understood this lol and wanna try it now

[rigid lake]

I’ve tested it

YMMV

[lime oar]

wut

oh tindo already explained it in the other server

[mighty summit]

how do you really fake dozing, I still don't get it

[thorn sun]

nap or sleep

nap: give it a poke every 5 minutes or so

sleep: just do the worm for an hour before you actually sleep ig

[mighty summit]

what worm

[thorn sun]

https://tenor.com/view/worm-bean-boy-benjamin-doing-the-worm-dance-dancing-gif-25923859

i'm joking

just activate it a while before bed and do the poke every 5 mins thing before you actually sleep

hopefully that skews your dozing percentage

[mighty summit]

by poke, i can just do notification right?

[lime oar]

every 5min gives snoozing in my experience, gotta really let it vibrate/move every minute or even more freuqently

[lime oar]

yea use interval timer

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one of these two vids shows how to set it up

[mighty summit]

what app is taht

can i just use calendar?

[lime oar]

yea you could

it's a pain tho

this app is super convenient to set up

with calendar you gotta make sure it vibrates at least every minute which is a pain when you do it for several hours

with the interval timer app you can simply say you want a vibration every 30 s or every 1min and make it in total e.g. 1000 vibrations for all you want

[mighty summit]

what app would that be

[lime oar]

it's called interval timer

[mighty summit]

thank you

[thorn sun]

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X · Feb 22, 2025, 7:19 AM

someone's fake sleep went a bit too extreme

[thorn sun]

my alarm strat failed somehow and became slumbering how fix

[thorn sun]

what app for ios

[lime oar]

interval timer

[thorn sun]

i'm asking because there's multiple apps with the words interval
timer in the name and none are only those two words

figured i'd ask for the specific name/link so i don't have to download 10 to check which one actually has vibrating alerts

[lime oar]

lol lemme find the logo

[cerulean dragon]

I'm not sure that one is on ios tho

[lime oar]

huh

i thought @rigid lake used it as well

[rigid lake]

Yes I do

Same exact one

I’m iOS

[lime oar]

lemme just use the phone-a-friend lifeline

oh hey

[lime oar]

ah nice good to know!

ty

[rigid lake]

You mean phone-my-girlfriends-girlfriend

[void ocean]

Link to the top because discord mobile is complete dogshit.

[lime oar]

See pinned messages 🙂

[void ocean]

Mmmm.
Seems that my phone's vibration isn't strong enough for timer apps.

[fallen badge]

for me, vibrations automatically silence once the microphone starts recording (i'm on ios), is there any way around this?

im using the interval timer app

[strange flame]

Sorry to revive old thread. Could you provide a screenshot of your preset in this app for snoozing?

[strange flame]

Disregard - found my issue. Sleep muting notifications while tracking sleep.

[raw glen]

did you ever find a way around this?

[fallen badge]

Unfortunately not

[mental perch]

there's any update to how do a fake dozing with a PG++?

[rigid lake]

Read through the pinned guide

[mental perch]

I did, that's why I was making the question
it said that they don't know how the PG++ Works

[rigid lake]

The basic idea is still the same

Movement every minute

The app they use can also be used

Only difference is you put your pogo++ on the phone

[mental perch]

which app? @.@

[rigid lake]

Scroll up for messages dating February

There is name and icon

@lime oar can probably pin or update guide to include app name and image

[mental perch]

looks like the app do noises, but not vibrationms (I use android)

nvm,found another one, I'm going to test it out in a sec

[lime oar]

there's some intricacies for sure across different devices (android vs iOS vs PG++) but even across different phones so it all comes down to testing for yourself in a controlled setting

[lime oar]

interval timer does vibrations as well as noises, there's a button somewhere you gotta click to switch between vibration/sound/nothing

but yea im not really active here so sorry if i dont reply anymore lol. everything important should be findable in the pinned messages tho

[mental perch]

got it, thanks

[pseudo hamlet]

just wanted to confim, does google calender still give notifications even when my phone is on airplane mode and not connected to the internet?

[lime oar]

if your calendar is synced then yes. but i can 100% recommend using the app interval timer now, it does the job better and it's much more convenient to use

[pseudo hamlet]

thanks for your quick reply! oh is an app that can be downloaded for ios?

[lime oar]

yep, this is the app icon

[pseudo hamlet]

thanks so much!! 🙂

[pseudo hamlet]

sorry how do i set vibrations for this? seems like mine only has popups but no vibrations hmm

[lime oar]

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one of these vids shows it i forgot which one is better probs the 2nd

[hollow salmon]

@mental perch @pseudo hamlet a perfect dozing session should look something like this. This was my sleep last night. Just make sure you give it the 15-20 min before and after to slumber so it doesn’t say you didn’t sleep at all

[mental perch]

honestly I've been trying to manipulate it with the GO++ but it dindn't work :c

[rigid lake]

Go++ is the easiest to manipulate

You just need to do some trial and error

[mental perch]

There's non vid explicatition or anything?

Because I tried with the vibration thingy but it didn't worked

[rigid lake]

What exactly did you do?

[mental perch]

so I put my PG++ in my bed for 25 minutes, then I carefully put my phone underneath it and started that interval timer app which it started to make my phone vibrate each minute for I believe 1 or 2 hours once that time passed I took my phone away let the PG++ rest on my bed for 10 more minutes and finished the session

idk, I believe the vibration wasn't strong enough

[rigid lake]

Your phone might be too soft or absorbent

Put a hard surface under your phone like a book

[mental perch]

Oh wait, I forgot
I put my phone and the PG++ on a desk without any kind of extra movements after the first 25 minutes

[rigid lake]

For the first 25 mins you mean?

[mental perch]

for the first 25 minutes it was on my bed, afterwards I put it on a hard desk with the whole phone setup}

[rigid lake]

Yeah I seee the snoozing

So the vibration isn’t often enough

But the dozing popped up later

[mental perch]

Weird...

[hollow salmon]

You need more slumbering at the end for sure

Keep it more still somehow

And you didn’t reach slumber at the beginning either

Any vibrations at the beginning or end will throw it off

[mental perch]

Maybe was the moment I move my PG++ away from the bed to put it on my phone with the desk?

[hollow salmon]

As long as you move it slowly/carefully it should be fine

I snoozed last night

Started my go++ and then moved onto my phone and then moved it off my phone at 730 (see dozing spike) then I left it alone for an hour to return to slumber

[floral ferry]

bc im too lazy to scroll up, can anyone tell me how to get snoozing using the go+? calender notifs and alarms dont seem to register on my pogo

im going to try again tonight with a different solution but i would appreciate if someone had answers lol

[rigid lake]

You’ll have to put in the effort if you want the results

And fyi to anybody else coming to this thread after. There are PINNED messages that take you straight to the info without scrolling through this chat

[floral ferry]

i was on mobile, i couldn't read shit because mobile discord sucks cock

[rigid lake]

I’m on mobile too. Pinned messages are under setting ~~> pinned messages

[floral ferry]

i love mobile discord, not putting important parts of the ui on the screen and tucking them behind different shit

anyways the pinned messages don't answer my question. im specifically asking about the go+

i remember people having issues with the go plus not being as easy to manipulate sleep styles and im having similar issues now. im asking if people have figured it out

[rigid lake]

No it’s the same

Pogo+ is easier

You literally just put your pogo+++ on your phone

Cause your phone is doing the vibration

🤨

@lime oar might want to update your pinned messages with that note

For future players

[floral ferry]

my brother in christ this is what my sleep session looked before go+

and after

nothing changed, just the fact im using go +

i put my phone on the table so nothing is absorbing the vibrations, jsut the go+

[rigid lake]

How far in between are your vibrations?

[floral ferry]

10 minutes

[rigid lake]

Yeah you may need to

1. reduce frequency

2. adjust your vibration

Meaning depending on what you use. The vibrations is too short

Sometimes it just got buzzzz when you need a buzzz buzz ٩(×̯×)۶

Or buzzzzzzzzzzzz

[floral ferry]

this is what my setup looks

[rigid lake]

With pog++ its trial and error

Oh you use the reminder?

Try every 9 mins first

[floral ferry]

yeah im going to try out a vibrating app tonight, see how that goes

[floral ferry]

oh? why's that?

[rigid lake]

Because right now you’re trying that but it’s slumbering? So you need to reduce the time in between to try to trigger snoozing

That or the vibration as I mentioned

It’s like the post mentioning 1 min interval with dozing

But I get snoozing

So I have to do 55 seconds and I get dozing

[floral ferry]

setting up 9 minute intervals is going to be such a pain i'll try an app first and go from there. thanks for the advice though!

[floral ferry]

that's mad

[rigid lake]

Yes there is an app with a clock

Called interval timer

[floral ferry]

i tried it before and it didn't like to work. hopefully i get better results now with the go+

[rigid lake]

A lot of people forget to turn on vibrations

🤭

[floral ferry]

the weirdest thing was when i first tried it, the first couple nights would be fine, but after like 1 or 2 nights the game just refused to register the vibrations

[rigid lake]

Pokémon can be moody like that

I’ve had the same experience

Even when mimicking the exact same set up

[floral ferry]

yeah that's why i went back to good ol trusty calender. takes a while to set up but it worked. just need to find that consistent method for my go+

[rigid lake]

IIRC calendar vibrating too short

[austere mist]

Does anyone have the parameters for getting Dozing using Interval Timer?

[rigid lake]

1 min and adjust as needed

[austere mist]

I've never used Interval Timer before. What would it look like in the app?

What do I put for each of these numbers?

[rigid lake]

You’ll need to mess around with the app

Advanced setting

Once you mess around it’s easy to figure out

[austere mist]

These ones?

[rigid lake]

Yes

The time = how much between each set

Set = how many times you want to repeat

Don’t over do it as it’ll mess with your week average

[austere mist]

I'm just confused what prepare, work, and rest mean in this context.

[rigid lake]

Those are for people who use the interval timer for like work outs

So you can just ignore it

I use prepare to make sure my vibrations are working

Then add in different sets

[languid vault]

I just started a nap on pokemon sleep with 30 min no vibrations, then after the first 30 min the first vibrations following with vibrations every 15 min, for 1.5 hour and the after 1.5 hours no vibrations for 30 min. Will that give me a dozing nap?

[tardy vale]

If your slumbering and snoozing average are really high it could

[lime oar]

CtrL+F in this chat
type: videos
from: @lime oar

you'll find 2 interval timer videos and the most recent one is useful

[tardy vale]

just asking but wouldnt have it been faster to just give the link instead of writing all the instructions to find it ?

[lime oar]

im selectively lazy but honestly that's the way i always do it and it's easy

[austere mist]

I see the data for Snoozing and Slumbering but not Dozing.

[lime oar]

dozing is the same just add a much shorter delay between the vibrations

and the wait time at the start & end

gotta play around with it tho during naps to test it (i feel like no one ever takes this advice; but if you dont do that you cant expect it to go successfully)

[austere mist]

Maybe I should just pray for Dozing.

[lime oar]

the vid has like what, 20 min for slumbering and 10 for snoozing? put that thing to 1 minute and test it. that's literally it

[austere mist]

No Dozing for the last week and a half.

[lime oar]

if only there exists a guide on how sleep styles work & how to fake dozing

[austere mist]

I read the whole guide but I didn't see a whole lot of information on using the PG++.

Plus, I try to fake as little data as possible.

As in, only tracking when I'm actually sleeping.

[lime oar]

the idea is the same, with having the periodic vibrations, except now your pg++ will be on top of the phone which does the vibrations. and it's different in everyone's situation cuz a lot of factors tend to influence when something is slumbering/snoozing/dozing which is annoying and the reason why you gotta just test out what works in your situation (e.g. 1 minute vibrations, or more frequently or less frequently)

[obtuse ginkgo]

i just got the interval app back on ios

what’s the timers for each sleep style?

that’s all i havw

[thorn sun]

i use 15 minute interval for snoozing

[neon breach]

What app is this?

[mighty summit]

interval timer

[neon breach]

How does it work?

[mighty summit]

check the pinned message

[neon breach]

Is it work if i use this method but i use pokeplus+?

[mighty summit]

i believe not, idk

[rigid lake]

Yes

You just put the pogo++ on top of the phone

[neon breach]

Can i use google calendar vibration like in the pin?

[rigid lake]

Yes

But interval timer better

Because for dozing

You need 1 min or less

Google calendar is a lot of work. I’ve tried myself

Even reminders from the reminder app

[neon breach]

I wanna catch Ralts, but never get the type.

[rigid lake]

Even with snoozing it’s hard lol

[neon breach]

What is your recomendation app interval timer?

There are many app

[rigid lake]

It’s in the pinned messages or you can scroll up

[neon breach]

Done, i need the setting patern lol
Do you have sir?

[rigid lake]

Go to advance

Make your own

Depending on what you’re trying to get

Snoozing is roughly around 10 mins each interval

You have to try it and see how it turns out

YMMV

[neon breach]

I just try sir, why my phone only beep beep beep?
No vibration detected 😅

[neon breach]

Is it correct pattern?

[pliant nacelle]

i tried the app as well. I just got sounds, no vibrating unfortunately

[neon breach]

I found the vibration icon sir
When you start alaram, click an icon in the upper left corner

[pliant nacelle]

will check it out when i get home, thanks!

[rigid lake]

This

Best to mess around with the app

It’s pretty straight forward

[arctic ice]

So since it doesnt say in the guide, what time do i need to set my timer to to get dozing?

[arctic ice]

Snoozing has been working GREAT for me unfortunately, ive got mine set to go off every 5 minutes and i get like, Only snoozing rn

[arctic ice]

So im switching to the minute this person says, ill try tonight ig

[rigid lake]

It’s actually at the beginning of the guide in the pinned messages

It says “multiple times per minute”

But I normally do 55 seconds

Dozing snoozing slumbering is all ranges that YMMV depending on surface and devices

[arctic ice]

Well thats not really a time lol. When youre making a guide, its helpful to have times like snoozing does lol

Multiple times per minute could mean anything lol

But yeah, ill switch to a minute

[rigid lake]

Like for my phone anything more than 56 seconds to 12 ish minutes? Is snoozing

Anything over 13 mins is slumber

Dozing is 55 seconds but some people they need it more frequent

[arctic ice]

Mine is at 5 rn and ive been consistently getting snoozing. I thought at first it was just my surface being too soft, but ig not

Its alright, it just would've been helpful if i did this fuck up on an island that didnt have shit spawns at snoozing

[rigid lake]

Ahh 🥲

[arctic ice]

Yeah

[rigid lake]

It’s trial and error the first week then you’ll get the hang of it

[arctic ice]

Im on lapis rn, and ive been getting fucking woobuffets and slowkings

Dont even need the damn ralts that spawned

[rigid lake]

Lapis = Ralts!

😦

[arctic ice]

But i dont need one lol

[rigid lake]

He be like that

Oh

Well then.::

[arctic ice]

I mean, i COULD get one, cause its not the HB double trigger or whatever

But its not my priority rn, because mine is fine, it gets what it needs

[hollow salmon]

Try interval timer app people seem to like it

[floral ferry]

i use tabata timer but from what i understand it's basically the same thing

[neon breach]

Share your timer setting sir

[arctic ice]

It was every five minutes for just one second of vibration getting me that. Last night i did one minute and 10 seconds of vibration like i was recommended and it was too much, got balanced

[rigid lake]

You mean too much movement, which triggered a force balance?

Cause the balance depends on your %

If it matches 2 out of the 3 types you get balanced

[arctic ice]

Is that not what i said?

I said the vibration was too much, so i got balanced

[rigid lake]

If it’s too much movement that means you didn’t slumber at the beginning and end of your session

You did not do your session correctly

Hence why I’m clarifying for future readers

[arctic ice]

I already know i fucked up my sleep sessions

I figured what i said was clear enough though, my bad i guess

[rigid lake]

Reiterating for future readers. If the session started and ended with slumber, with full dozing in between, you would get dozing sleep type (assuming your % aren’t super manipulated)

But since the session didn’t hit slumber, by having dozing full the session, it’ll state too much movement and trigger a forced balance sleep type.

[arctic ice]

Whatevs man

[arctic ice]

Okay, so i got it again

Why tf am i getting it even after waiting 30 fucking minutes to hit slumbering

Like heres the ss

Okay, so 20 minutes each time. But close enough. I distinctly remember looking at the clock and making sure it was at least 15 minutes before i did anything with it

It was even on fucking silent

[lime oar]

There are 2 essential ingredients:

• first time you hit slumbering (=start of sleep session)
• last time you hit snoozing or slumbering (=end of sleep session)

You didn't hit slumbering until the very end, so the game gets confused and assigns balanced sleep style (I do think you get your 9 hours of sleep for this session, cuz you did hit snoozing at the start)

aim for a longer period of the phone being still at the start (=slumbering)

sometimes even in a quiet place it sense the smallest vibration and you're out of luck, which is annoying

[arctic ice]

yeah i know, but what im trying to figure out is WHY it didnt hit slumbering

[lime oar]

it just happens and it's annoying. nothing much you can do about it, other than putting it in a very quiet place where you are sure there's no vibrations and no peopl enearby

i put my phone on a shelf above my desk sometimes and somehow it manages to get vibrations (via the wall or sth??!)

so i just yeet it onto my bed in the corner of my room and wait 30 min to be 100% safe

[night canyon]

I’ve found that even on silent mode, my phone can still pick up some movements (possibly vibrations from notifs?) I go full DND and airplane mode lmao

I think because I lost some time at the end of a session once due to dozing, and I had left my phone alone for like

Half an hour or so, between m breakfast and getting ready

And later I realized it’s because my coworkers were blowing up my Teams messages

and flooding my phone with notifs 🙃

Also some things like, starting nap sessions on a table, untouched, then checking the graphs 3 hours later

seeing weird peaks in the graph

and then back-matching them to notifications lmao

I should really just consider buying a ++ at this point I feel

[arctic ice]

That doesn't make sense though cause if your phone was in silent, it wouldn't vibrate

So the notifications wouldn't do anything

[arctic ice]

Look at that perfect dozing

This one also worked, even tho i only got snoozing at the end it still all counted

[tardy vale]

yeah the last part counted will be the last slumber or snoozing

you just have to avoid ending with dozing

[lime oar]

nice perfect!

just consider doing a shorter period of dozing, because with 90% dozing you will very quickly run into a high average dozing% which makes it harder to get dozing in the future (it averages over the past 30 sessions, so you only got rid of this artefact in your average after 30 sessions)

doing like 40% do / 30 sn / 30 sl is more than enough and it means you can keep doing dozing longer (after a while you'd have to move it up to 50/25/25 for example)

[arctic ice]

Well, if im gonna do each week a different style, it wouldnt effect much right? I mean, if anything i would think it would make it better

[lime oar]

yep, definitely

but if you wanna do 3 weeks of taupe snoozing for example (which is a common thing), you'll run into problems soon

just a heads up ^^

[arctic ice]

Thanks! I think i talked to snackson about it, and kinda thought of a mental map of where id go, just to keep things changing to avoid messing anything up for sure. For now, this week was dozing on lapis, next week is slumbering on cyan for happiny, and the next week will probably be snoozing on taupe most likely, if i temember correctly. And just alternating around

[lime oar]

Amazing

I used to do it that way too and it worked a charm

[arctic ice]

still not a single sprig

im doing it to get a sprig and a bellsprout, and this is my fourth bell this week, and i havent seen a single sprig the whole week lmfao

[lime oar]