#Scion Spells unlearn themselves after spell is upgraded

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stark zenith
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My scion spell was tier 2b yesterday before patch, now its tier 1b....

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dull cove
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the trainable version is 2B. it would just mean even more people experience the reset issue

stark zenith
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then letā€™s create a new spell called scion 2.0 that has no spellements

dull cove
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can't really "take away" spells once they're out

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could disable it like solar surge but not a great solution considering there's 7 scions. 7 spells forever stuck in your spell book

inner breach
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but you guys can sure take away our ability to use them šŸ‘

odd moth
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At least we could say that KingsIsle learned from this to not integrate a spell into an existing spellement path

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@dull cove wouldnā€™t it be a solution to make the 2B PvP version to a ramp substitute to fix it just make a 4th ramp no one cares about and call it a day šŸ˜­

neon notch
odd moth
neon notch
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They should not rely on PAYING CUSTOMERS to do free labor of QA employees for them in the first place.

still frost
wintry shard
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suggestion from @mild flume was made to make a 2b scion treasure card version

inner breach
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^ make a path A version as well

wintry shard
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sadly me thinks any addition of that genre/fix have to wait until fall update

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unless court locks in right neow and makes 7 tcs

wintry shard
neon notch
pulsar pendant
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Itā€™s most definitely possible and I know for a fact you know I know that

inner breach
reef trellis
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Once the scions are patched make standard fork rematch badges give spellements šŸ™

eternal stratus
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This was my scion of fire yesterday. Now after the maintenance it's tier 0 and I never got the spellements back

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still frost
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YALL TOOK MY SPELLEMENTS I WAS AT T3!!!

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next willow
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I LOST THEM TOO

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thats a total of 400 spellements lost at least from the Scion bug

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They'll actually refund them right? Cause i'm still waiting for 2 missing items from a bundle i bought its been over a month.

still frost
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YALL STARTING TO BE INSUFFERABLE NOW KI

pulsar pendant
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lol this is so entertaining

next willow
fading torrent
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Oh no ā€¦ im scared to check later

orchid tapir
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bro how

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my life is fine for some reason but not my storm that lost t4

sacred lintel
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my scions got reset from max to 0 šŸ‘

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eager quest
# dull cove could disable it like solar surge but not a great solution considering there's 7...

but we can freeze them so they are functionally useless? Can we please get an INKLING of an explanation as to why freezing is preferable to just informing people about the workaround? Or why we can't just scrap this whole idea? I would rather go back to what we used to have and have a useless spell in my book then not be able to use the main identity of my school. You have a text box you can explain the workaround, its not really super complex.

Not to mention you have taken a backseat on fixing this bug to fix things that marginally benefit players that are unintended. Your not fixing this bug but reworking shadow magic. Your not fixing this bug but making a new world. This game is chalk full of gamebreaking bugs but they all get backseated for little things.

Do we even care about fixing bugs at this point? Are you working on fixing this bug or lying to us? Are the team at Kingsisle just unable to fix a single bug after months? Why should I pay 10 bucks a month to play a game where game breaking bugs like this are common and unpatched for months?

This has been a disaster yet the entire development team seems to insist on doubling down on the dumbest decisions y'all make.

pulsar pendant
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Keep cookin

oak horizon
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yeah I mean this is pretty absurd

winter raven
# eager quest but we can freeze them so they are functionally useless? Can we please get an **...

This bug is definitely one of their top priorities, especially since they can't drop the arc 3 spellement pack until its fixed. They also pointed out on KI live (or maybe it was a dev stream) that this bug is one the most difficult one's they have had to deal with. Ik it sucks that this has been broken for months, but you seriously can't be suggesting that this bug should take precedence over the new world/fall update content?

reef trellis
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I mean

oak horizon
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the approach of stopping the players from being able to fix the bug for themselves is what i am more concerned with as that is completely unreasonable

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anyways, the problem is clearly coming from the fact that you overwrote the previous pvp only scions as the tier 2 path b versions. why not just make the overwritten spell a useless unusable always banned spell and add an actual proper tier 2 version in the spellement tiers?

winter raven
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sure, everyone in this thread would know how to use the scion normally, but a large amount of people who play this game aren't

oak horizon
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you're right there should be nobody being able to play the game. we must all suffer equally

winter raven
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keeping it frozen is the only way to ensure more people don't lose spellements, so i think thats why they don't want to unfreeze it

oak horizon
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the spellements are not lost you literally just have to upgrade reset and zone swap

oak horizon
next willow
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Just delete the spells then remake them then give everyone T 5 automatically at this point

eager quest
# winter raven This bug is definitely one of their top priorities, especially since they can't ...

Yeah I am. I really question the seriousness of this issue when the entire team can't fix it. Either they aren't trying or they all don't know what they are doing at this point.

Want to have people use the spellments? Explain the workaround in a text box. Like we have to explain the frozen spells.

So yes, sorry I expect the company I buy a product from to make the product work. I pay for Wizard101, not a buggy mess

fading torrent
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yo i am cooked

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It's outrageous that this happens automatically, and I think everyone should get their Path B.

oak horizon
fading torrent
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I cannot play Azteca Raids anymore due to scions broken.

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Thats a serious problem. And I hope compensation will be coming. I lost over 600 Spellements...

oak horizon
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you didn't lose them

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you would just have to upgrade reset and zone change and they would all be back

eternal stratus
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Well now we can't do that cuz... frozen

oak horizon
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correct!

fading torrent
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time to cry, cuz I have to wait till finish my Azteca raid badges šŸ˜­

eternal stratus
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I upgraded mine yesterday with zero issues as well

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Now post update spell is reset and spellements are gone

fading torrent
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@dull cove do your job and fix it

eternal stratus
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I wish we had a workaround for scions for like raids and stuff so ppl would be more chill with this

eternal stratus
fading torrent
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I haven't even touched it and i lost them.

eternal stratus
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That's only gonna make it worse

stark zenith
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I wish I could use the spell and still lose spellements

real sentinel
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we've put court in a closet with a case of white monster and told him to come out when he fixes spellements

pulsar pendant
tight garden
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make it unable to be used, then refund button for the spellements, then let ppl upgrade as they choose from a clean slate, idk why it's so complicated

next willow
reef trellis
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The way Iā€™d go about fixing it would be just retiring the whole thing and remaking the spell and forcing the game to either give the player the new spell or making it freshly available from the trainers

Evidently the whole spell creation thing isnā€™t cooked, so just scrap the current scion and do a hard reset

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If itā€™s a matter of people being mad about having an amount of spellements, then make the empyrea badges give the spellements, we now can see that spell rewards for spellments can be used

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Like there legit has to be a better way to go about this

pulsar pendant
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Ima wait 10 days before I drop some truth bombs in here

tribal compass
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How are these ā€œtruth bombsā€ going to be anything new lol.

pulsar pendant
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Donā€™t worry about that

wintry shard
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Cause sadly deletion of spell is actually not an option šŸ˜­

mild flume
next willow
mild flume
pulsar pendant
mild flume
stiff shell
pulsar pendant
# stiff shell If they can delete spells, then why is solar surge still in the game?

Deleting a spell is the equivalent to wiping it from existence from both the client side xml and the server side which truly handles it

That is how certain things are bandaid fixed and hidden from view from the player, their client sided XMLā€™s are destroyed while their Serverside functionality still exists the issue with this is that said xml can just be tossed back in and it would work as if nothing occurred.

If they indeed have no way of truly destroying a spell they have created themselves then that is even deeper problem that should have been thought of ages ago.

stiff shell
mild flume
stiff shell
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right, so you'll also preform a search on all wizards and remove the spell there too.
cause otherwise you'll have players with spells pointing at null data
with no margin for error

heavy sinew
stiff shell
pulsar pendant
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Lmao this convo has becoming so brain dead I can no longer handle it

pulsar pendant
stiff shell
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"several spells have been deleted"
yet no mention of what these spells are/were

pulsar pendant
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  • several exploited spells have been nuked from the game completely
  • cloak is nuked
  • lifebanes trainable version is cooked
  • trick

I could continue but no need

dense nova
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so whens scion getting fixed šŸ˜

oak horizon
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the original steal pip!

pulsar pendant
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Telling me of all people how the game works is wild
Smh smh

stiff shell
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How dare I ask the almighty Dione to give examples when they make a claim

pulsar pendant
# stiff shell How dare I ask the almighty Dione to give examples when they make a claim

I didnā€™t have my cookies today Iā€™m sorry
I have now noticed I sounded mean I apologize

Anyways they can effectively ā€œdeleteā€ā€˜something by either killing its xml and or disabling it Serverside. If that leads to invalidated data on characters then thatā€™s even bigger issue that should have been thought of a very, very long time ago

real storm
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there has to be a certain point of a bug going on for THIS LONG for u guys to realize u dont know how to add spellements to a spell, js count ur losses refund the spellements then add t2b as a substitute.
this is insanity atp

odd moth
real storm
pulsar pendant
next willow
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Back when he complained less

fading urchin
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STOP BREAKING SCION ISTG

autumn saffron
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So what was changed?

reef trellis
azure quarry
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At least for raids make a scion tear jewel we can buy for 1 gold till its fixed, you can pvp ban the card after its actually fixed idc i just want my scion

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Or ban main deck scion and make the jewel like 5 copies for pvp people

eager quest
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I think we scared the devs away because this company is frightened of accountability

oak horizon
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I mean i feel like what I suggested was a completely reasonable way to fix the issue

clever cape
next willow
still frost
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I deeply believe KI should give us 100-200 scions of choosing as compensation. This has gone on for too long regardless of what the cause/source is. Many have lost spellements due to this major bug so its only fair we receive some form of compensation related to the issue.

ruby solstice
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How did I lose my scion again. I'm still down 75 spellements, and my scion was un fixed??? the freeze somewhat fixed the bug for me (still no refund for multiple upgrades), but the most recent patch unlearned scion for me again...

stiff shell
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Cause they havenā€™t fixed it yet

prisma canyon
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KI will do anything but temporarily add back the pvp only version of the spell so we can use it šŸ˜­

stiff shell
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cause they can't do that
the PvP version of the spell is the b path now

mild flume
ruby solstice
mild flume
tidal gulch
next willow
eager quest
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Atp the bugs either still a bug because one of three reasons:

They aren't fixing it and are lying through their teeth that they are working on it.

They tried to do something impossible and won't go back on it because of ego or They don't wanna go back and delete everything

Somehow a team of devs just aren't good at what they do and can't figure out the bug.

Either way this is inexcusable and it's so bad it had caused me and others to quit the game because we're tired of dealing with a company that has quality standards worse than temu

pulsar pendant
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Point three is the closest answer but itā€™s more of a ā€œshoot we created something we canā€™t easily resolveā€

Tldr even they didnā€™t fully understand the behavior they caused themselves for a while

fading torrent
pulsar pendant
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I have 0 control over this šŸ˜­

severe nova
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Lmbo can't believe this is still broken šŸ˜­

next willow
severe nova
still frost
next willow
still frost
fierce iris
orchid tapir
still frost
next willow
inner breach
jovial grail
stark zenith
clever arch
nimble coral
next willow
fading torrent
primal lark
inner breach
astral kestrel
small cradle
next willow
stark zenith
inner breach
stark zenith
inner breach
next willow
mild flume
clever arch
wintry shard
small cradle
jovial grail
small cradle
still frost
next willow
inner breach
pulsar pendant
dull cove
fierce iris
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Post this frog until the devs fix scions

reef trellis
mild flume
next willow
quaint acorn
astral kestrel
inner breach
mild flume
reef trellis
hushed hollow
odd moth
pulsar pendant
small cradle
jolly loom
crimson wyvern
stark zenith
inner breach
reef trellis
eternal stratus
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I am legitimately trying to figure out what monetary value comes from keeping scions upgrades disabled for this long

hushed hollow
wintry shard
mild flume
inner breach
astral kestrel
next willow
stark zenith
primal lark
reef trellis
random bluff
still frost
tepid halo
crimson wyvern
sleek imp
stark zenith
next willow
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What spells will they ruin in fall?
My hope is every single shadow spell is unusable and they release the update anyway and then make us wait a full year for all those spells
Also whatever mod turned the cooldown to 6 hours you are the worst.

still frost
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Cant handle a thread so its placed on 6hr cd šŸ˜‚

velvet remnant
neon notch
reef trellis
dull cove
low solstice
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let us know if yall have any issues with scion after todays maint

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warped yarrow
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Can you buy back the training points finally?

fading torrent
fading torrent
glad coyote
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The warning notice has been removed and there may be a fix in place

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So report in here if there are any issues still being experienced

eternal stratus
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I will note that I had zero issues when the scions previously got re enabled

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I only had problems when the following maintenance disabled them again

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OH my scions got their upgrades back!

glad coyote
robust bridge
glad coyote
eternal stratus
robust bridge
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I mean I still have way more than enough spellements and I am glad its T5 again, but it kinda sucks losing that many but it was also expected no matter what

next willow
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I'm only missing the 75 they gave us for free in February
which I can live with

small cradle
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Where are the patch update notes

real sentinel
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we did have some fixes for this issue included in this morning's maintenance so let me know what you all see. we're tentatively optimistic but want to confirm

small cradle
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There is nothing in wiki page last updated patch notes is 26 th August

pulsar pendant
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Give them a few hours, the notes are usually not instant

small cradle
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@real sentinel can I please get what are the patches done Today it's not updated in wiki page

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real sentinel
stark zenith
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or werethe servers taken down just for scions

real sentinel
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@ember topaz has the updates on deck, it was a minor bug fix update

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our update notes should really happen closer to when the update goes live, or before it. i dont like the current ordering of things

pulsar pendant
real sentinel
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but there are some obstacles to getting that done

pulsar pendant
real sentinel
fading torrent
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Wait, it's actually fixed? LETS GOOOO!!!!

-# what was the issue?

stark zenith
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Code being put on top of ancient code.

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Im sure @pulsar pendant could say it much better

latent anchor
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Would love to see KI update the patch notes so we know what they did

dull cove
robust bridge
next willow
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Mickey is the goat

pulsar pendant
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If something in the patch ends up not working go back to the notes and edit it further šŸ« 

Iā€™m pretty sure the community would rather have instant notes than have to try and guess and or wait up to 2 days after a patch sometimes

fading torrent
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Yea figuring out is annoying sometimes, we would love to have instant notes.

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or just type them while maintenancing šŸ˜­ and expand the maintenance by like 1 hr and tell is for the patch notes, and no one will complain

mild flume
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Sweet im down 300 spellements

still frost
odd moth
real sentinel
real sentinel
# dull cove your predecessor tried this for 2 updates but i guess there were some complicati...

i think people are afraid that if we push update notes with fixes that didnt work, or if new content isn't working properly, that people will get upset. i think we have to weigh that against keeping our players in the dark about what we do every week (temporarily). i am biased towards keeping players informed and letting them make the call if we did a good job with our fixes or not.

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ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

odd moth
real sentinel
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that being said, i know spellements in particular are a sore spot and we probably just want to be certain before we get everyone's hopes up that we finally made some progress on it

mild flume
mild flume
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luckily I had excess but yeah. that feels great.

real sentinel
dull cove
still frost
real sentinel
fading torrent
still frost
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My scion on my storm seems to have been properly fixed. It was stuck on BT2 after i attempted to upgrade it to BT3 from last attempted fix. Now its back on BT3. šŸ‘

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real sentinel
warped yarrow
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@dull cove i just checked on my fire, you still can't buy back training point for scion,
tier 1 is still considered upgraded,
tier 2A is consided upgraded,
tier 2b is considered not upgraded

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stark zenith
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seems more of a visual glitch

warped yarrow
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If it shows up in the list is shouldnā€™t be refunded back, unless someone has reset the training points to see if it actually leaves there spellbook, I donā€™t believe itā€™s a visual glitch.

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When training point buy back happens either next week or the week after because of the birthday event Iā€™ll be happy to test it then but for now, gonna wait until someone else wants to drop the crowns to test it over a dev says otherwise
Thanks for the input tho Pat

dull cove
warped yarrow
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@dull cove Hey Court, hope you having a good day, I saw it was TPBB and went to test if the scions could be bought back or if it was a visual glitch, can confirm not a visual glitch, you still can't get the training points back for trained scions.

I tried buyback at tier 1, 2A and 2B because the description of what tier scion changes. None of them worked
Also tried training up the library of cards in the arcanum to that level of spell, (basically training all the shadow enhanced spells) and then doing the buyback, no such luck. Can confirm this is still a bug. The game still views tier 1 scions as a upgraded spell and not a base spell

untold dust
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Have all the issues in this post been addressed? Seems Parker has identified some issues with training point buyback still.

clever arch
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The main issue seems to be fixed. Just not the side issue that has been an issue alongside the Scions resetting. I havenā€™t heard of anyoneā€™s resetting.