#Scion Spells unlearn themselves after spell is upgraded

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gleaming solstice
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No known reason why yet, they just reset back to tier 0. A user in my guild has lost 400 spellements just existing playing the game normally.

next willow
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Very cool update!

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I lost 75 fire scion spellements on my myth resetting my trainer points

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i also lost my spellemented fire scion spell!
I had to retrain it all the way!

gleaming solstice
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Yea

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But this isnt even resetting them!

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They just

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Delete themselves!

next willow
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poof

gleaming solstice
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So its completely separate from the bug that they delete upon refund

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This is delete upon existing in the videogame

next willow
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You saved me with this post i'm farming scion spellements right now!

gleaming solstice
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Yea dont upgrade it yet

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They literally randomly vanish

next willow
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😭

gleaming solstice
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@robust bridge can verify

next willow
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I'll tell cam tomorrow

eager quest
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I love the fact that there is no part of this update thats totally functional

robust bridge
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I had a T4 fire scion get deleted from relogging. I haven't trained spells, I haven't reset them, they were there then gone after relogging.

snow cobalt
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Was at T3 Storm Scion and yeeted back down to T2 Path A,

robust bridge
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I went from T4 fire scion B to T1 fire scion. All spellements to upgrade were deleted

eager quest
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I'm just not logging on in hopes mine aren't reset

gleaming solstice
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Marking bug as gamebreaking

next willow
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It kinda is we can't do crying sky

gleaming solstice
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2 separate scion spellement bugs

snow cobalt
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Or CR!

next willow
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Is scion used in CR?

gleaming solstice
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poak

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only

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sometimes

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but u can just not

next willow
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Oh just use Owl

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wait why would you blade or trap gambit in a raid with stack overflow

eager quest
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death scion dur

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or ice scion

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sheeesh Mander smh

robust bridge
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or fire / life scion

gleaming solstice
next willow
eager quest
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use shadow scion ez

gleaming solstice
severe nova
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Plz KI mark this as [immediate fix pending] this is ridiculous!

normal flare
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will we be getting compensated for the lost spellments? i lost the free 75 from update and 115 from chests and energy

gleaming solstice
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Contact support

unborn harbor
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Lost my tier 2 balance scion and all spellements

dull cove
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hey gamers, can i have everyone who has lost spellements answer some questions please

  • which scion and which tier did you have?
  • did you have the PvP version trained before the update?
  • where did you obtain the spellements you used to upgrade the scion
  • when did you notice your spellements were lost? did you reset training points, did you log out and back in? etc
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and reach out to CS

snow cobalt
unborn harbor
gleaming solstice
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Scion of Myth T2 to T1, free spellements from having pvp trained

gentle mesa
dull cove
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i have a theory if anyone is willing to sacrifice possibly losing another 75 spellements on a different character 😂

  • have a pvp version of the scion trained (aka Tier 2B. but specifically by using the PvP Spells from pre-update)
  • use training point buyback
  • before pressing submit, show the confirmation UI. does it list the scion as a spell being refunded?
  • after refunding, check if your scion tier was downgraded by one.
low solstice
dull cove
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what do you mean nope

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that's exactly what just happened to you no??

low solstice
dull cove
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oh ok

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but it does actually steal your scion

low solstice
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ya

dull cove
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so at least that part is reproducable sick

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i don't know what happened to justin

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i know why that happened though. all spells have a training point cost associated with them, including spell upgrades for some reason! and this is the first time a trained spell became a spellement upgrade instead, but of course the game still sees it as "player spent 1 training point on scion of fire 2b, so refund it"

low solstice
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i love this game

next willow
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That happened to me @low solstice

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i had to waste trainer points to relearn it

eager quest
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Can't wait to not get my lost spellments back!

dull cove
severe nova
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Dream on brother 😭

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So Ant lost 400 by doing this or is there 2 different issues with them?

next willow
dull cove
dull cove
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@low solstice are you busy

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check your dms

slender quest
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Friend that is banned from here found a work around to this bug to get your spellements back if they got deleted so posting it on his behalf to help anyone that needs it, credit @tokkers :

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dull cove
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if you can make this work let me know thanks gamers

robust bridge
dull cove
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oh that's a fun one

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did you use tp buyback or no

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do you have any blanks in your reagent section by chance? probably not just curious

robust bridge
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Once I had it T4 I never used training point buyback

hearty osprey
cunning rover
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Same members in my guild lost their spellements to this

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Hide them on shared bank until further notice

atomic vapor
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just experienced this myself. Had death scion tier 2 (Path B). Didn't reset training points or anything, logged in just now and i see my death scion reset itself and my spellements are gone... any quick fix to this??

mild flume
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Well theres a fix but idk if its quick

mild flume
unborn harbor
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What’s the fix

atomic vapor
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my 75 weird ones are gone tho

mild flume
atomic vapor
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right but i cant even reset my spellements because they literally disappeared and my spell reset itself

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so like i have none to reset

unborn harbor
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Yea I have non either and no reagents showing it

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Even tho I have 35 from farming and not realizing it resent, still not showing in reagent tab 😦

dry eagle
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I lost mine as well.

atomic vapor
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Did the hotfix solve the issue with Scion spellements?

abstract fjord
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Its still bugged for me, in fact i lost spellements again after i did the scion reset

raven pollen
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Me too

blazing remnant
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🥴

next willow
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Glad they patched the bugs that helped the players today and ignored the game breaking bugs!

blazing remnant
next willow
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What?

mild flume
blazing remnant
gentle mesa
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a guild mate of mine just lost 75 fire scion spellements randomly they didn't reset training points or anything, but the t2 b is still in their deck

next willow
quasi vine
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just lost my T3 scion upon upgrade. You can see it ranked up equipped in deck and back to non pvp on spells (dont mind deck set up XD)

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gentle mesa
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just randomly lost 75 death scion spellements :D

cunning rover
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Perfect

next mantle
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I'm adding onto this, but my scion spell was randomly upgraded to its path B again after resetting and losing the spellements

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but my death still has yet to receive the spellements

next mantle
normal flare
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has there been any statement if

  1. This problem is being fixed/is fixed
  2. We are safe to upgrade our Scion spells in the event KI returns the bugged missing spellments?
gleaming solstice
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no

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itll be fixed just dont upgrade your spell yet

normal flare
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am I safe to amass scion spellements in the meantime?

low solstice
frosty osprey
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bc of it we cant do raids at all.

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even the weaving quests is bugged

errant mesa
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I'm not going to touch arc 3 spellements until this bug is fixed. This is beyond disappointing this is even in the game still for so long.

robust bridge
errant mesa
robust bridge
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just making sure you knew, because you said arc 2 spellements

errant mesa
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Ah typo ive been doing arc 2 spellement farming for too long and now my brain has turned to mush

mild flume
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Is it still not fixed?

dull cove
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no

mild flume
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Brother

frosty osprey
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Ig I’ll just stop playing till they fix this bc I can’t raid and no one else can without their scions either.

frosty osprey
quasi vine
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I contacted customer support so my spellements can be restored, but they say its out of their hands... They state that devs need to help me

gleaming solstice
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You just need to wait for a fix

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THEN go to support

quasi vine
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I wish they could had stated that in their response, which is more comprehensible than "try somewhere else, we take your reports extremely seriously"

gleaming solstice
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They just gave you a copy paste reply

quasi vine
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lovely

cedar tree
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any update on this being fixed ?

dull cove
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officially - no. they're working on it still. they've figured out part of the problem and are still working to address it in a future maintenance period

cedar tree
eager quest
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Or sent yo the void for a while or whatever it is

dull cove
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there's no way to prevent a spell upgrade from their side unless they just hide the entire bottom path. but that could possibly result in more issues because it would force every player to reset if they have those paths (more players affected by spellement loss)

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it's better for them to just not touch it until the fix is in

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since there's no actual data loss here

frosty osprey
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Is this fixed yet or no?

next willow
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👀

dull cove
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no

mild flume
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I just want to be able to fully upgrade my scion path b since top path myth scion is going to be forever unusable pls devs

frosty osprey
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Just needed an answer lol

autumn saffron
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Still missing 75 ice scion spellements. ;-;

fickle ridge
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I upgraded myth scion on my storm and it was fine, but I have never gotten my 75 storm scion spellements that I was supposed to receive from the update, will we ever be seeing those?

normal flare
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i lost the 75 free spellments and another 115 for 190 total; after bugfix is in place, will those of us effected by bug be given lost spellments back? my first support ticket from shortly after spring update said to ask in discord, so i figured i'd do that before filing another support ticket

next willow
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They still didnt fix this bug

orchid grove
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Filled a support ticket and posted here before they told me a fix will be implemented eventually still no eta I assume I wanted to check before posting my next help ticket

dull cove
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this fix hasnt gone in yet right

next willow
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Not yet

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Hopefully tomorrow

next willow
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Its not tomorrow!
ANOTHER WEEK OF NO CRYING SKY!

mild flume
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W another week of no fix for a gamebreaking bug

eager quest
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It's ridiculous how little communication and accountability has been present with this bug:

It's been like a month and the bugs still not fixed

People who aren't active jn community discords have no way to know of its existence

A great many people spent MONEY on getting the spellments needed to max their scions out as quickly as possible and that is now wasted because of this but through no fault of their own

A great many people didn't know spellments were just sent to the void and thought they would in no way get them back, and given KIs track record when It comes to compensation for game breaking bugs spent more MONEY to get their spells back up only for that too to be wasted and then to hear that they got a second max scion basically for no reason and fault of their own

There have been no workarounds or bandaids to allow people to do advanced content and/or use spells they already grinded for

I don't think a developer has said the word "sorry" in relation to this game breaking bug once

There have been no messages on how the developers plan to do better and actual steps to prevent these type of things again.

This bug is a joke. The way this is being handled is a joke. There are literal problems if these type of things even happen jn the first place and the fact the players are getting little to no communication on it is straight up disrespectful to the people who pay money to use this product.

reef trellis
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No literally, like come on, our guild has been halted for over a month from this bug with raiding, we know theres a workaround but we don't want to risk our guild members possibly damaging their spellments if a fix is ever implemented

next willow
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I'm having Hunhau withdrawal

mild flume
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btw theres no KI devs in this thread which means they actively dont even have it opened :)

dull cove
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both cam and ratbeard have reviewed this thread

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thats likely more an issue of devs not realizing that they have to right click>join a thread to constantly get updated for it if they're not going to type here

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but at this point anny comments in this thread arent going to push the issue to get fixed any faster

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theyve had a programmer looking into it. annoying that none of the hotfixes at least patched the training point buyback portion of it to prevent more players from experiencing this (which could have been changed easily on design's side). but a fix is on its way. like theyre very aware this is game breaking, they arent just holding the fix until a patch lol

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its just not fixed yet 💀

snow cobalt
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lots of bugs going on... even in the new dungeon sadly

dull cove
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yeah the dungeon is annoying. they made last minute changes to it after test realm after everyone already tested it

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and clearly those changes werent tested internally

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once again QA fails, just like they failed to find this scion glitch, which was incredibly easy to reproduce

next willow
mild flume
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QA fails and we get yelled at for not reporting bugs and then suffer for month+

golden dock
dull cove
snow cobalt
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Well it's like some bugs, sure can imagine getting by, but like- now you got the new gauntlet being near impossible to do because of one relic

eager quest
# dull cove its just not fixed yet 💀

There likewise has been zero communication that A) says we're sorry B) how we will ensure this doesn't happen again and C) how we will compensate players for wasted resources because of this bug. Hell, I sometimes doubt fixing it is that high up there considering its been reported for at least a month now and there has been zero progress or word that they even are close to fixing it.

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Like idk atp it feels like bug fixes in this game get the same amount of work put into them as a McDonalds employee puts into their job 6 hours into their last day at work

wooden spire
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I maxed out my storm scion now my spellement are gone I thought they would have a fix by now, guess I was wrong hopefully the game randomly remembers I have them so I can refund them again sometime 😭 😭

frosty osprey
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Alright todays Wednesday. did they finally fix the problem? @dull cove

severe nova
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Dude KI come on!
I funked you'd have fixed this by now. I just lost 40 hours of cantrip farming coz thought you'd have given this priority, obv not!!!

I'm done with this game! Cancelled annual member on both accounts. I'm done, Adios!!!

mild flume
blazing remnant
next willow
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never

next willow
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actually embarrassing

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also i thought games had to wait till wednesday for hot fixes i guess that was a flat out LIE!

severe nova
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wizBug 😭

eager quest
frosty osprey
frosty osprey
shadow fiber
wooden spire
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Heres what worked for me to get my all my spellements back:

  1. reset scion (if not already at base)
  2. upgrade scion once
  3. reset spellement again
  4. change zone/relog right after resetting
severe nova
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Shouldn't have to do 2x backflips in the commons realm Imp then step to the left 3 times, jump on a friends mount then finally cantrip rock, paper & scissors to get them back.

eager quest
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Don't forget you gotta hit the cupid shuffle

dull cove
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getting my spellements back rn

next willow
mild flume
next willow
frosty osprey
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lol :p

next willow
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I WANT HUNHAU
I WANT MY SCIONS
I WANT BUG FIXES

fickle ridge
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😭

thick ridge
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The lore continues 🍿

next willow
spiral dawn
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imagine if we could upgrade our scion spells

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that would be awesome

autumn saffron
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So we're getting a update before the scions are fixed? Assuming from the weakness teasers we got.

reef trellis
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likely gonna be the same update

frosty osprey
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i doubt they fix it

dull cove
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likely not in this maintenance period

frosty osprey
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yeah i had a feeling. been ongoing for over a month lol.

dull cove
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needs a change from the tech department and they're all extremely busy focusing on console

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it would be a major tech change too which could be gamebreaking. so pulling someone from console to quickly patch it and hoping it works... not sure they wanna do that. usually they wait for milestones to get the full QA and test realm experience

frosty osprey
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So basically not till there’s another test realm out or when console releases

dull cove
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usually how it goes

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could be sooner than that but considering we're getting our first actual patch for spring's update tonight... and this is the third build after spring's update.

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summer is around the corner!

frosty osprey
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Understandable and yeah summer is not too far ahead

dull cove
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if the programmers can squeeze a hotfix in they might. but if summer is too close they'd likely just hold it for test realm to guarantee testing of the fix

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instead of yk lets push it, find a bug, and have to patch it again

mild flume
dull cove
next willow
vale condor
next willow
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Bug isnt fixed

astral kestrel
# vale condor

FYI: This has not been fixed, I just tested it and all my scion spellements are gone

vale condor
random patrol
vale condor
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idk i was just sending what it said

astral kestrel
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Before logging off btw

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vale condor
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[STILL BROKE] Scion Spellements will randomly delete themselves randomly when the spell is upgraded.

astral kestrel
vale condor
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[STILL BROKE] Scion Spellements will themselves randomly when the spell is upgraded.

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who made this title that was horrible

next willow
vale condor
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i don't even understand what they claimed to fix

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whatever

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stupid game

next willow
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they fixed half of it?

vale condor
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just the advanced bit right

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which

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idk

next willow
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specifically trainer point resets perhaps

vale condor
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right

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i see that now

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still not really a fix innit

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just one of the issues

glad coyote
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Yeah I think Cam had mentioned they got that part fixed, but still weren’t sure on the disappearing spellements part

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Patch notes probably should have mentioned that not everything was fixed yet

vale condor
robust bridge
vale condor
knotty widget
warped yarrow
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On a life wizard, all my scions are reset to zero spellements but the training point buy back still says i can't get back the training point,

ive upgraded both paths and reset to see if there was a change
ive relogged and logged back in and no changes

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eager quest
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Isn't this like the third "bug" that says it was fixed in the patch notes but wasn't fixed lol

normal flare
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Before spring update, I had 2 advanced content scions trained as a balance. after spring update, after using the 75 free spellments to upgrade them to t2, I then upgradied hem to t3 for 115 spellments. only then did the bug occur, losing all spellments on training point reset for both scion spells trained

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from what I understand this new patch attempts to fix the main cause of the lost spellments, where before the addition of path B scion some players used a training point to get advanced content scions, and when the spring update hit they were automatically refunded that training point, granting 75 scion spellements in the process

normal flare
# knotty widget Info... 1. Are you a Death Wizard? 2. Did you upgrade or reset any times before ...

does the bug still reoccur the same way after today's patch, or is it another scenario where it still occurs? as someone affected by the bug, am I safe to upgrade scion? if someone has never been affected by the bug, presumably because they never trained the advanced content scion for a training point before the spring update, are they safe to upgrade their scion, or are players at risk whether they trained the advanced content scion before the spring update or not?

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I hope I don't come off as too whiny, just looking for some communication and guidance from a developer or those in the know on whether I'm safe to recollect spellments that were lost before I begin to do so, was not expecting this issue to get addressed in a patch so soon

astral kestrel
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First Image was before resetting them, Second image was after resetting them. After that I relogged and it was still there, I tiered it up and relogged. When I relogged, I lost it. I am a death wizard

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Could you help get my spellements back Cam
PepeUwU

soft gazelle
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Somebody in the raids channel was bragging he had a system for getting them back and getting them to stick, but required changing realms multiple times tiering to different levels multiple times and they never saw them reset to 0.

No idea if it is helpful #💥▹raids message

knotty widget
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Is anyone having this issue on Scions that are NOT of your main school?

normal flare
next willow
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I already lost a lot of spellements to the void i'm not in the mood to do live testing...

normal flare
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as a balance i had advanced content myth scion trained before the spring update. when my balance scion spelles were lost on reset so too were the myth scion spelles

normal flare
frosty osprey
next willow
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Whats wild to me is theres a QA team

soft gazelle
next willow
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there are KI employees with QA in their name

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I'm more so willing to believe the bugs were found and ignored.

eager quest
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I mean they do that with test realm

soft gazelle
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I suspect in test realm the problem is more that they fix what they know about, but don't have a system to let us test again if it is due to be released

robust bridge
reef trellis
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Or on the flip side, something in test realm is good, but then somehow new bugs spawn when it hits live

soft gazelle
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Also possible.

sage sierra
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This bug still exists even though the patch said it should have fixed it - do we make a new thread or keep this thread alive? Does KI know this bug still exists

dull cove
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theyre aware and looking into it again

normal flare
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for me, any decks that had the spellemented scion learned still has them in the deck after reset, like attached pic. copying the deck list to another deck by using the "your deck is empty, copy spells over now?" dialogue successfully moves the upgraded scion to a new deck, but it still isn't kearned/in spellbook

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mild flume
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surely THIS hotfix fixes scion

dull cove
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i dont think thats the plan

mild flume
next willow
mild flume
dull cove
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try update 580

normal flare
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will be fun to make strats for the new raid with no scions

mild flume
real storm
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guys u can get back ur spellements by doing this easy fix!
go to ur dorm
upgrading it to t2, resetting it then leave ur dorm room

then if u want to upgrade it
go to ur dorm
train it to t5 or any of ur desired lvls
reset it
then train it to t5 or any of ur desired lvls
then leave ur dorm and it should fix

mild flume
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we know

sage sierra
real storm
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yes

reef trellis
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wait if the hotfix isnt the scion fix, what hotfix is it supposed to be

dull cove
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khrysalis quest blocker

reef trellis
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Ah, makes sense

next willow
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Still not working friend lost 115 spellements NOT A DISPLAY BUG!

random patrol
pure night
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I lost all the spellements that I farmed for. I got my scion to teir 3b but lost them all. But atleast I still have the upgraded to teir 2b.

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oak horizon
spice carbon
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hello guys , i was farming yesterday 4 hours to upgrade my scions i got my fire scion to tier 3 and now that i logged in it was back on the first with 0 spellments, anyone know what can i do?

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abstract fjord
thick ridge
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Looks like this issue is mostly path b as my path a storm scion works fine, and im storm school. Tier 4

pure night
random patrol
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why do we still have to perform the ancient rituals of xibalba to get our spells to work crustySobbing

mild flume
pure night
mild flume
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If you cant 100% repro something in game dev its much harder to fix

mild flume
north vortex
frosty osprey
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All I’ve done is wait for the fix lol, I’ve only upgraded my scion to tier 1 path b for raids and then reset is back. I still haven’t gotten to 685 but I’m close

normal flare
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I have since reset my training points many times, so maybe that's why the fix works for one and not the other?

spiral dawn
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i miss scion spellements

dawn plover
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Don't know if this would help in fixing this bug, but it seems the spells gets converted into another spell ID. They are both the same exact spell, but listed in a different spot in the deck.

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dull cove
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spell upgrades are entirely different spells yes

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they still have yet to solve the portion of this bug that unlearns the upgraded spell (which resets it)

dawn plover
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Are the exact same spells. Same gambit, same damage numbers. Tier 3 of the bottom path, but placed in different spots on the deck.

dull cove
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what the hell

dawn plover
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I think the ID of the old pre update pvp Scion might be still in the code, and somewhere in the loading process of switching zones tries to recall to said old PvP scion

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Resulting in things having is issue on spellements resetting. (Just a theory)

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They are not the same, nevermind. I just read it wrong.

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dull cove
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well the ID of the spell templates didnt change at all. all they did was rename the spell and add it to the upgrade path. but its very interesting the spell deck considers them differently

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beacuse this would imply that you have the upgraded versions of the spell but the game thinks they're both base

dawn plover
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I was completely wrong, they are not the same, but are different tiers of said bottom path

dull cove
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oh ok that makes more sense

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what version of the spellement do you have btw just curious

dawn plover
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But still might be useful information. I figured out a way for the spellement to keep from resetting, which is part of doing that rain dance, but not resetting fully once you get the teir you have. I will provide steps on how to recreate this.

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Currently, there is a way to get both 2B, and either 3B, 4B, or 5B at the same time. It is part of the rain dance of zone hopping to get the spellements back.

  1. Have your Spellement bug active, but have an additional 75 Spellements to be able to upgrade to 2B

  2. Upgrade the Scion to path 2B using those 75 Spellements, resulting your Spellement counter to now read 0/115.

  3. Hope to another full screen loading zone, and check into your Spellement for that Scion. You should now have your Scion upgraded to what ever it was before the Spellement bug activated resulting in the reset and missing Spellements.

3.2. During this, the game will read that the previous upgraded spell using the 75 Spellements is still active in within the game. Kind of like a second layer.

  1. Your Scion is now locked to said restored talent, and won't reset until you switch zones.

  2. Switching zones, and logging out and in results in converting packed Scions in the deck into the Step 3.2 Scions to manifest. Resulting the pictures above.

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@dull cove The real unlock is B4, T3 of the bottom path.

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But the game is currently reading both B2, T1, and B4, T3 active at the same time.

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Please let me know if any of that information helps.

dawn plover
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I think I might of solved the issue of this bug. I been thinking about what I experienced with the above steps. I am hopping on the pc to type it out.

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Okay, so here is what I believe to be happening in resulting in the spellement bug reseting, and consuming used spellements as a visual bug.

As stated above with the second layering kind of analogy. Where I had both 2B path, and 4B path of Ice Scion active at the same time.

There is a 3rd, unseen layer of the default base Scion (Or any other spell effected by this) that the server still sees, and keeps recalling back to. When this 3rd layer is recalled during zone swapping, realm swapping, or even logging off and on. It keeps thinking that the hidden, 3rd layer non upgraded spell is what should be used. Resulting in spellements to be physically reset and visually gone.

When people do the rain dance to reset their scions, they are changing the layers around that the server is recalling to.

For example:

Recall Layer: Default non upgraded spell.

Second Layer: Player's upgraded tier of the spell. The player upgrades the Spell using the 75. That second layer of the spell becomes the new recall layer. Resulting in the use of the upgraded spell, and not causing the reset bug. But now, you have the Third Layer trying to also be recalled, the T1 upgraded version of the spell, which was used.

Rain Dance: Once players complete the Rain Dance to physically, and visually have the Spellements back of the spell. Those layers get destroyed. That very first layer is stil pressent in all of this, which is the Default non upgraded spell. That takes priority again, and full screen loading causes the server to recall that back resulting in the bug happening all over again of reset and missing spellements.

That DEFAULT first layer needs to be interacted with, or edited by KI some how within the coding, or design side to be able to remove the layer so the server can recall the correct layer the game is supposed to use.

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@dull cove Is there a way to get KI's attention on this to check this? I have a gut feeling that this might be what is causing it.

dawn plover
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Layer 1 is First picture, Layer 2 is top right picture, and layer 3 is bottom right picture. Or 1st, 2nd and 3rd respectively.

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Layer 1 is permanently present, and is the want causing the issue of the resets.

north vortex
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Can someone please help me? I upgraded my scion of death to tier 4 yesterday. And today when I logged in it was reset completely.
I know about the going to dorm and resetting glitch but I can't even do that because I only have 3 spellements left. I cant upgrade the spell to tier 2 for the glitch.

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north vortex
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I have had this issue before but it reset to 2B previously and I was able to do the glitch. This time it completely reset to the base spell.

dawn plover
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Farm enough to upgrade it once, the. Do the steps to fix it.

next willow
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Why is this not urgent yet?

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And no devs are in this thread...

mild flume
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I mean tbf they dont need to be. They know the bug exists, we havent found a repro to whats making it break only one to fix it but they need to know whats breaking in the first place.

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Rain dance to fix it is helpful to them but they need to know why its breaking in the first place to fix it

next willow
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I don't think its a good take that bugs that actively harm players every day being ignored or low priority is ok.

mild flume
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Its not being ignored nor low prio

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Ik you watch cams stream so ik you know this as well. There is a programmer working on it actively. Its not being ignored it just hasnt been solved yet.

next willow
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They haven't called Bob yet

mild flume
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The devs being in this thread would see nothing but complaining its not fixed yet which they know. They know about the rain dance as well. Theres no new info to make them need to be in the thread and better for them to not clog their thread list with it when nothing is happening but complaining which is fair im annoyed it isnt fixed yet either but it is what it is they need a repro process to fix it and thats on them to find not the community. If people in community help find it itll get fixed sooner but thats not our job.

next willow
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That Kobold fella had a lot of takes that might have been helpful but i'll have to forward it to Cams server for it to be seen.

mild flume
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Just tag him lol

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And its just the same info thats been repeated here a billion times anyways with more eloquent wording @next willow

dawn plover
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It is getting more into detail of the situation that might be causing it, not a Hehe number disappear must complain. It is a in depth of a step by step of a recreation of additional information that I discovered.

Here is a TL:DR: The game snap shot the base non upgraded spell. Game thinks you didn't upgrade it at all, so it tells the server (Or vise versa) that it is still at the base. So when you upgrade, the game recalls that instance for it to reset when switching between full screen loading zones. Like quitting and not saving. Upgrading creates stackable instances, but refunding removes those instances causing a repeat.

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Then again, I could totally be wrong but that is what it completely feels like it is doing.

mild flume
# dawn plover It is getting more into detail of the situation that might be causing it, not a ...

I read your full message before I said it was a repeat. We've said that you can have multiple versions of the spell in deck before, up near the original postings of the bug. Its just buried under the complaints. We've also passed the theory along that its something to do with the game still thinking you have the original pvp only spell. hence me saying its not really new info its the same info repeated in a clearer way.

dawn plover
mild flume
dawn plover
mild flume
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Whether you believe me or not again, it doesnt really matter. If you would like a dev to see your post I'd tag one, or ask court if hes told one of them already. Im just saying its info we've already given but theres no such thing as too much. Im not arguing its useless lol. Im just saying it isnt new.

dawn plover
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I did manage to find that info you claimed within a minute. It tells how to stick, but not what might actually be causing the issue.

mild flume
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The only thing thats gonna speed it along is getting repro steps for it breaking not us trying to figure out whats breaking more when everyone knows what is breaking.

dawn plover
mild flume
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your first step is "have bug active". They need the steps to get to "have bug active". - this is all I have been arguing the entire conversation.

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Without knowing the consistent way to break it, they cant fix it. I asked cam personally if us telling them how we're reverting the bug helps and he said not really, they have to know whats CAUSING it in the first place to fix it. So anything that starts with "bug is active" doesn't help as much at this point. They know the rain dance steps. I apologize if Im coming off as rude I'm just trying to explain where its at and what I've been told.

dawn plover
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That is what the post explains. I don't know how many times. There is a permanent instance of the server saying you never touched the upgrade in the first place. And this instance keeps telling the server every time you change a zone. To recall that information into the game. So it overlays the progress you have done. If they can look into that server recalling back into that sequence of you not having the upgrade, there might be something there that is causing an issue of that.

mild flume
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He did say the programmer working on it had made good progress last I asked

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Considering they are aware of the recalling (rain dance) like I said and the bug still exists imma go out on a limb and say it didnt help

dawn plover
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Im not explaining how to do a rain dance, I am explaining what the internals MIGHT be doing to CAUSE the bug to happen. Not how to fix your spellements back.

dawn plover
north vortex
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Hate this company sometimes why can't they fix this bug it's been months

dull cove
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check back in test realm. thats when programmers can make as many breaking changes as they want to hopefully figure out the cause without breaking everyone's characters

mild flume
dull cove
next willow
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Hopeful thinking that its fixed on test realm.

normal flare
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i used the above work around, but my spell still reset, but i don't think the reset was random. i think upgrading it to a tier it never has been before, then switching realms/zones causes the reset. once i apply the workaround again, ill see if it resets at max tier too. reset on me at tier 3 and tier 4 upgrade

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tier 3 upgrade was a day after spring update, when bug was first reported, and tier 4 upgrade was today lol

normal flare
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because it happened to me again on new tier and it doesn't happen to any of my guildmates who didn't know the diego scion from before the spring update, my thoughts are as follows:
the intention was to automatically refund every player who trained a deigo scion with 1 training point and 75 free scion spellments when loading into game/zone/realm after spring update automatically without player interaction.
this is the mechanism that is bugged, after tiering a scion to a tier never used on wizard before it resets on zone/realm switch, "refunding" the spell but not actually as the spell was already refunded. my tier 2 scion was refunded when i logged in for the first time after new update automatically, and after getting to tier 3 and changing zones it reset, tier 4 and changing zones reset, i anticipate once i tier it to tier 5 for the first time it will reset on zone switch

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unless there is reports of players who never trained the diego version getting effected, in which case lol idk it's taken how many months to push out the last fix, and that fix didn't work? or worked partially enabling the workaround to work but still left effected players vunerable to future resets. looking forward to seeing this bug patched so scions can be used in new lemuria raid without worry

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@dull cove i do think the above is replicable, but reset only happens once per tier per char, and chars are only effected by it if they trained the old Diego versions, and only on the zone switch after upgrading to a new tier

normal flare
dull cove
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i believe its a known portion of the bug where it only affects people who trained from diego originally.

dull cove
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and i am sort of wondering if in the background theres actually 2 spellement trees here. so like you upgrade the spell and it thinks you're upgrading the old diego version (so when you zone, it resets). and then when you upgrade it again, its like oh ok now upgrade the actual scion?

normal flare
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i recovered my tier 3 from workaround, used it for 2 weeks of play without issue, then the zone switch after i tierd it to tier 4 it reset

dull cove
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they have a programmer looking into it, i suspect we should see some sort of resolution in test realm. thats where they get to test a little more because if something breaks they can just roll it back and try a different feature in the next build.

normal flare
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im anticipating this occurring when i tier to max. other players who had max tier scions reset won't observe future resets because, at least from my experiences, it only resets on zone change once per tier, as that's how the automatic training point +75 free spellment was presumably implemented: when a char loads into game with a tier 2 scion, delete the spell and give the tier 0 scion. it's just running at every tier instead of just tier 2

dull cove
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yeah that sounds about right

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attempting to unlearn the old version every single time

normal flare
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can't refund training points you don't have, or at the very least the portion that grants a tp and 75 spellments isn't getting triggered, at least not noticeably

normal flare
# dull cove yeah that sounds about right

is it worth poking a dev about my idea? seems like an easy enough task to at least identify if that's the issue. any fix can wait im just over having my tree reset repeatedly lol, not gonna try to replicate it when I approach max tier if i don't need to

normal flare
dull cove
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cam might not reply tbh. worth sending up, but he'll just pass it along to the programmer who may or may not already know where the issue is at

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if not, they'll definitely have a programmer for test realm who can take it and quickly try to find a solution

normal flare
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very good, if i gather the spelles to max before any fix is pushed ill try to document a reproduction, since ill have to have an extra 75 spellments to attempt the workaround anyways

thick ridge
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Im just gonna t2 b my scion until the patch of all patches get fixed

clever arch
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Yeah I got hit with it and don’t have enough spellements to 2b and reset it sadly so I’m stuck without death scion 😭

knotty widget
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Has anyone tested this in test realm today?

dull cove
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@reef trellis @next willow @wintry shard @mild flume
youre all raiders. ask ur guilds ^

next willow
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Ok boss

reef trellis
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nothing yet

astral kestrel
reef trellis
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but we haven't used scions yet for us to really notice, especially with the server issues

next willow
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I'll try my best to ruin my scions

clever arch
mild flume
next willow
astral kestrel
knotty widget
clever arch
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So I reset the spellement, upgrade to 2b, change zones, and sometimes it gives me 3b and sometimes it yoinks them all together.

clever arch
next willow
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Same issue here.

real storm
dawn plover
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Still the same song and dance. Upgrading past the snapshotted instance prior from the update. Swapping zones that have full screen loading screens. Resets. The Rain dance still does the same thing.

thick ridge
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Changing zones effects my path b to tier 2 after tier 4 no issues tier 3 😦

thick ridge
dull cove
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any gamers try this as of the latest test realm patch?

mild flume
next willow
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I'll try i was cooking strats

next willow
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@dull cove Its still broken 😭

dull cove
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we will try again next patch (again) 🤪

next willow
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i had 999(+75) spellements from Cam vendor and now this!

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dull cove
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clearly you just arent allowed to use your scion

next willow
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it was T4 and all i did was go to ravenwood

astral kestrel
rancid swan
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do you guys know about theworkaround for this?

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basically if you lost all your spellements, you need the initial 75, upgrade, go to dorm room, reset, and they should be back (this is what one of my guild members said)

vale condor
mild flume
mild flume
rancid swan
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was just letting those know that they're not completely gone 🥹

eager quest
dull cove
eager quest
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I forget I'm in this server

winter raven
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doctor

dawn plover
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Medic

next willow
dull cove
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i dont think this change has been pushed yet, but another programming issue got fixed during this latest patch, so maybe?

next willow
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ok

next willow
dull cove
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sick we'll try again later (probably next wk) 🤪

next willow
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it auto T2'ed it oddly enough but i lost t345

dull cove
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woah thats strange

next willow
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path b if that matters

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idk what path i had it at sorry i wasnt paying attention so idk if it changed paths

dull cove
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well if it still untrained your spell (sending you back tiers) then its still def broken

next willow
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i can test more after raid

dull cove
knotty widget
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Can anyone report back if Test Realm has changed this for them? Preferrably someone with a simpler use case? Like if people upgraded the spell a bunch of seperate times, that may get confusing

random patrol
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I just trained and upgraded a brand new fire scion on my balance (who has only ever had balance scion), went to dorm, different shop areas, did a few battles, kept in deck and relogged, took out of deck and relogged (and did a fight with tier 2a scion), then reset, relogged and then upgraded to 3b again and did the first 3 steps over and the spell still has not reset for me (I don't know the exact repro steps if anyone can tell me if I missed something). My storm got the auto-upgraded scion when the spring update released and I have never touched it since then, I just tested with them as well and I never lost spellements/had the spell reset to base/tier 2. My myth has lost spellements through this bug and had his scion to tier 2, then had it reset to base and now I can't upgrade it any more. Could we get the rest of the scions on the test shop so I can see if my myth's scion is working as well?

glad coyote
random patrol
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I kind of guessed which is why I wanted to try on my storm & myth as well

next willow
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I'll test it again this morning got a late start today

random patrol
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My myth is my only char who actually had his scion upgrades removed but I would have to get more spellements to test his spell out

next willow
glad coyote
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I think fire and life are yes, because those became overtime gambits

next willow
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Storm Scion was buyable for me idk why

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Unless i'm delusional which is possible i've played like 90 hours of testing so far

random patrol
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you can only buy fire & life scion right now

next willow
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Not a good sign for my mental health but idk how i got 1200 spellements without farming more than 300 on live

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@real storm are you able to help test this too?
I'm unsure if i have the spellments to test it and if i can break it more than once per char.

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It hasn't reset yet but i don't wanna be the only sample for it seemingly working.

random patrol
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Just ran through tartarus up to the hades fight and I still haven't had any issues with the storm scion

next willow
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T3+ is where the issues are usually

knotty widget
random patrol
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yes it is

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knotty widget
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Excellent! It seems that for the most basic test case (reset once, upgraded once or twice, then it reset itself and spellements were lost), it's fixed! Then the remaining players affected who did much more upgrading and resetting and other complicated interactions cough @next willow , then we'll have to get those accounts addressed individually. Still not 100% sure how, but will be in the patch notes when we know for sure

next willow
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🐐 Ty king!

random patrol
dawn plover
# knotty widget Can anyone report back if Test Realm has changed this for them? Preferrably some...

So. Something weird happened, but from what I can see that it isn't resetting anymore.
They seem to be duplicating spellements now.
Here are the steps to recreating it.

  1. Have enough spellements to upgrade once.
  2. Go through loading zone. Reset the scion.
  3. Go through loading zone again. Your scion will be upgraded again, but you have the spellements from reseting the first time. Reset again. Gain double the spellements.
  4. Repeat until you have infinite spellements

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I know I didn't even have enough to upgraded to the final tier of scion

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Another screenshot of them duplicating

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random patrol
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same thing happens on my myth (you can see above I only had 56 spellements)

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I can't get it to work on my balance with the newly trained scion so it's probably to do with the auto-upgrade that some people got if they already had the scion trained

dawn plover
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Getting closer to fixing the problem, but caused another problem to happen. orthMoon

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Code not working the way you want it to but does work the way the code works.

random patrol
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good catch though, idk how it didnt happen while I was running dungeons on my storm

random patrol
dawn plover
# random patrol good catch though, idk how it didnt happen while I was running dungeons on my st...

What it is doing is snapshotting your last spellement upgrade that you upgraded once you go into a loading screen into real snapshot. Once you reset, you get the spellements back. Then the game loads that snap shot until you replace it with a new more upgraded path of it. Resulting in real duplicated spellements. Don't know if this works the same way if you upgrade to T4, then do the steps but only go for T3 if it will delete the spellements

random patrol
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while trying to test that glitch I triggered the double scion glitch humongoMog

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I was able to get this to work with all 4 tiers of both the A and B path of storm scion, I couldn't get it to work in my castle but when I used a dungeon sigil the spellements duped every time (and the double scion glitch disappeared after 2 load zones). Something weird about the castle test was I got my spell to max A path, reset, went through a load zone, it didnt duplicate, then I went to tier 3B, didnt dupe, upgraded it to the max B path, then I went to Aquila without a reset and my spell went back to the max A path

next willow
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Oh wow

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I like this bug a lot more

dull cove
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hey maybe it can be elevated to blocker now

winter raven
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the duplicated scion spellements are our compensation!

dull cove
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is this actual duplication or is it returning the spellements that you've used before

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like if you duped all the way to T5, did you have T5 on live at some point

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or upgrade and lose it enough to make a T5

random patrol
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I have only ever had tier 2 from the auto upgrade
your basically spending 75 to upgrade, taking back that 75 and then the game gives you back what you paid the 75 for. so you keep your 75 and get the upgrade that costed 75 in the first place. repeat that forever until you have enough to max, and you dont even have to farm because each time you use spellements you can just get them back in the next load zone

dull cove
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ok so real dupe sick

random patrol
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I started with like 19 spellements (and the auto upgraded scion) or something and now im at

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random patrol
dull cove
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weird you just magically get a double scion at some point

mild flume
fierce iris
random patrol
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in test realm due to the dupe glitch yes

real storm
dull cove
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test yes

real storm
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Sigh.

queen eagle
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I just lost a little over 200 spellements for Scions of Fire, Ice, Myth, and Balance

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I completely forgot this bug was around, upgraded my spells, a day or two later and poof, gone

real storm
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get 75 spelles
train to t2, reset then change zones itll come back

eager quest
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I love doing arcane magic rituals to workaround gamebreaking bugs that shouldn't exist in the first place, much less be in the game for months

frosty osprey
# dull cove test yes

btw i noticed its fixed in test when i went to do it in test. will this be in the live patch with the new update by curiosity?

dull cove
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there's still a problem with the current implementation in test realm. but assuming that gets corrected, yeah this will go live with the rest of the update. that's the plan at least!

frosty osprey
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Ok thats good!

dull cove
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@random patrol not sure if this has been corrected but do you wanna try this in TR again

random patrol
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(all on test realm)
I can't seem to actually dupe the spellements anymore, the dupe glitch will still work up to the point where your scion gets re-upgraded and you can reset to get spellements back. I'll call them "ghost spellements" because when you upgrade the scion with these spellements and leave the area, the scion resets and you go back to the normal spellement number. It goes like:

  1. Start with your normal spellements, for me that's 471

  2. Do the dupe glitch as normal (upgrade to whatever tier, load zone, reset tier, load zone and then the game will mistakenly give your upgraded scion back) and get your spent spellements back, with them now being ghost spellements - for me that gives 190 from upgrading twice.

  3. Use the ghost spellements to upgrade your scion back to the original tier. When you attempt to redo the glitch again, the next load zone will reset the scion back to tier one with all of the normal spellements that you had. You can see in the first picture I have 471 and a tier 2 ghost spellement scion, then after the glitch I was left with only my 471 spellements.

I haven't actually lost any spellements yet doing this aside from the tier 2 upgrade I got through the dupe glitch, and my storm that had 1599 spellements before has now dropped to 914 after resetting my scion and testing the dupe. I'm hesitant to say its fixed until someone else tries it out, but it does look like the infinite spellements part of it is gone

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I maxed storm scion and then reloaded and the spell reset to 0, went through 2 more loading screens and nothing happened. Then I just upgraded it once and the spell goes back to max, and then loading again puts it back to a single upgrade but refunds all the spellements from the max level upgrades. I'm creating a multiverse of scions and have no way to control them. I don't know if duping is still possible but it seems like the spell is so unstable that it probably still isn't safe to upgrade, maybe someone else can try who hasn't done any duplication
Edit:
While the weird ghost spell stuff is still happening, it does seem like just upgrading the spell and keeping it that way won't cause your spellements to be removed (so far orthMoonDark ), it's only when you try to reset it and upgrade to a different path that the spell starts breaking. From what I can see if you just use all the spellements you get from the ghost scion (and NONE of your own, so if you are at 2 upgrades, only use 190 spellements) and then reload, the spell will reset as normal and you will be left with a reset scion and only your actual spellements. So your basically just doing a slightly different rain dance than the one you do now

(to get rid of the ghost/broken spellements, reset the scion and then hit a loading screen, then your scion should return back to before the reset. Just reset again, upgrade to the same exact tier, then hit another load zone and the scion should be fully reset back to base level) (all of this is on test realm)

forest vault
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Had Scion of Storm to Tier 3 today and managed to get it to Tier 4 after farming chests all day. However, when I relogged after being on for over twelve hours, and I go to look at my Spellwrighting, I'm suddenly back at Tier 2. That's over 250+ spellements gone and a whole day wasted.

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prime wadi
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o my gosh most of peoples have the same problem?? is this a bug!!

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low solstice
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I told you when I DM’d you back that it’s a known bug lol

prime wadi
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oh ty bro

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i wish they can fix the problem as soon as possible

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but my luck is deck keep save my spellementals on lol

prime wadi
forest vault
forest vault
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Got to max this morning, but as I'm prepping for a raid, I suddenly have no Scion spellements, so I can't even upgrade it and hit the loading screen to get them back.

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next willow
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can't wait for the bug fix wednesday!

reef trellis
astral kestrel
next willow
dull cove
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[Pending] Scion Spellements will themselves randomly when the spell is upgraded.

real storm
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scion spellements will themselves randomly

low solstice
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Gosh hate when my scion spells will themselves randomly

dull cove
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hey the thread title has said that for months

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[Pending] Scion Spells unlearn themselves after spell is upgraded

fierce iris
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Scion fix coming in 2027

dire kite
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can i upgrade the spell but not reset it, am i right?

glad coyote
dire kite
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i hope so i also want the grub guardian

dire kite
real storm
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SCION IS NOT FIXEDX

dull cove
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there will be a message in the update notes regarding this

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in the morning

real storm
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W pending

frosty osprey
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thanks for the status

dire kite
dull cove
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theyll be out in the morning when KI is up and working

dire kite
prime wadi
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did the scion bug are fixed??

prime wadi
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hmm its fixed for me 🫡 schoolFire

next willow
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Its not fixed

prime wadi
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but my scions are back to me bro

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i'm on game now and my teir 3b are back, and why gonna lie or something if you not trust me i can make a mini video 🙂

prime wadi
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before i did a video and you can check it out above ☝️

reef trellis
prime wadi
dire kite
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i got mine back by going to the dorm room, upgrading, resetting and leaving the dorm room

prime wadi
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🤔 i will not reset just the scion spell lol i'll keep it at they fixed that issue

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another issue i see bazaar is empty items and spells and reagents, idk if that happens for all peoples or not XD that so crazy really , idk if that another bug again XD

dire kite
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yes its a known bug since update

prime wadi
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Hmm i'm just get waking up XD hello? lol

mild flume
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its too funny man

mild flume
eager quest
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Yall have had how long to figure out a fix and can't lmao. This is such a joke atp cut your losses and make them separate spells cause this is getting kinda ridiculous

surreal topaz
mild flume
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No honestly just let me have them separate again its annoying

dire kite
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one step forwards, two steps back LUL

knotty charm
fickle ridge
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Agreed

still frost
next willow
warped yarrow
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Yea, like I understand wanting to merge essentially two versions of a spell into one, but has been over 3 months, like it’s one thing that the spellements disappear and reappear but the fact you can’t unlearn the scions now, like it’s a waste of training points, that you can use on other spells

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Reverting the spells back and just having spellements for the pvp versions of scion because who is honestly upgrading to use path A scions other than maybe the life one for healing

still frost
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This bug has been making this girl tweak out. Please fix

winter lodge
#

So I lost like.. 700 spellements for scion of fire I just noticed.

prime wadi
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🤔

mild flume
torpid dune
#

can you guys just remove path B and make it a trainable spell like before until this is fixed

I don't understand how it's not a bigger issue for KI that the spell is semi unusuable for this long...I just want to be able to use it in advanced without farming more spellements and hoping it sticks each time...we're talking months here

still frost
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Yes please. I would rather use the extra training point.

normal flare
#

after upgrading to t5, my scion reset again, and the workaround worked again! woohoo! but unlike when it reset at t3/t4, where the workaround only needed to be done once per tier, after applying the workaround once, it reset again within a day! luckily i saved the extra 75 spellments i had to aquire to apply the workaround at max in my shared bank, so im about to apply the workaround again. the earlier resets + workarounds were done before summer update. i recalled someone saying that the bug should be fixed for those who didn't do any workarounds, @dull cove would it be helpful for me to do anything special/take note of anything as i do? if the workaround works a second/multiple times, im in the position to "lose my scion spellements" multiple times

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easy to access clarification on the exact status of the bug, who is at risk for it and what it is would be nice too at this point, both for people effected by it and also those who will never get effected by it, it's been in live for a while now, looking forward to it being solved

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workaround did work again btw, so i guess i'll be keeping an extra 75 spellements in my shared bank at all times, and anybody effected by the bug can do the same. for now, bug makes some players require more resources to max tier the spell than others... would be nice for it to be fixed

next willow
dire kite
still frost
mild flume
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Surely it’ll be fixed soon

astral kestrel
low solstice
mild flume
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So has anyone checked PepeLaughing

reef trellis
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if they fixed it, ill give everyone in this thread a pack of their choosing

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im that confident that they did not fix this bug lmao

hushed hollow
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supposedly this has been pending for 10 days now

dull cove
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uhh

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not .02

mild flume
dull cove
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its going to be tested again for an attempted fix in .1 so we'll see!

next willow
mild flume
next willow
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Ik

astral kestrel
winter raven
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.1 is gonna be at least 2 weeks

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as someone who has to always wait for .1 for my monstrology updates, thats my take

oak horizon
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my guess is that next update the scion spellements will still be broken, but they will fix the trick we are using to temporarily get them back lol

prime wadi
#

hmmmmmmmmmmm

dire kite
still frost
real storm
mild flume
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And before they bring the dupe back

still frost
mild flume
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Surely tonights update is the update Foxy_Pray

dire kite
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still not fixed

random patrol
oak horizon
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it is in fact not fixed

still frost
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I love how they fixed the bug affecting unlocking spells but scion spellements are ignored yet again

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@tepid halo hi s_wave you lied-

tepid halo
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WHAT

low solstice
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😭 seth meant the otherrrrr spellement issue was fixed not thisssss one

still frost
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Wellll be more specificcccc
Nice cover jasper

tepid halo
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I mean more so of ppl not even being able to upgrade at all on any spell

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but scion still being bugged is crazy

still frost
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This is the bigger issue. More crybabies here than the others if ya ask me j_shrug

tepid halo
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man 😭

low solstice
still frost
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Oh this bug hasn’t affected me yet. Been upgrading and resetting like crazy cat_sip

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But yk.. get this fixed- ping ratbeard or court j_shrug

tepid halo
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edited my announcement to include scion spellements still being buggy

still frost
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I would react u with a heart but my rights are restricted

low solstice
still frost
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Thanks @dull cove

thorn echo
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Can confirm that this is still an on going bug I just lost over 200 scion spellements on my fire

mild flume
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Its not funny anymore cat_Cry_Sob

dull cove
mild flume
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The year is 2077. Scion spellements are still not fixed and KI still refuses to just revert the change.

next willow
oak horizon
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yeah idk wht we are doing here. this has been a problem for way too long

dire kite
#

why are you deleting this gif mods?

astral kestrel
reef trellis
dire kite
bold crescent
#

is this still not fixed and if it isn’t is there a work around or something we can do

mild flume
bold crescent
mild flume
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Its there a billion times but theres a simpler explanation @bold crescent

oak horizon
next willow
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Its bugged it doesnt fix the issue

mild flume
next willow
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Gotta keep doing the work around every time it bugs

eager quest
#

Big fan of bugs lasting for months. Very good company very good priorities

astral kestrel
astral kestrel
next willow
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Temp works

jovial grail
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This better not become another portal of peril

next willow
mild flume
next willow
#

9

jovial grail
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1,5

dire kite
still frost
still frost
next willow
still frost
hushed hollow
eager quest
mild flume
astral kestrel
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Who nose? (This was towards KI)

next willow
still frost
next willow
orchid tapir
still frost
real storm
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Its been ALMOST 4 MONTHS since this thread started btw.

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taking bets how much longer it takes to fix this bug

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real storm
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on a side note, i had my scion bugged then left it bugged bc i cba but it randomly fixed itself at some point?

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clever arch
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Yeah this happened to my death pre summer update and when the summer update came live it fixed itself. Was unsure what caused it

knotty charm
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Can we just, go back to having scion spellements be like the shadow pip spellements at this point please? I think its time

fickle ridge
orchid tapir
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I'm too afraid to spellement my scion spellements

digital spruce
#

This is kind of urgent. Apparently, the Drains is a free to play zone. According to the website, it shouldn't be.

next willow
reef trellis
real storm
next willow
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Scion thread not I wanna pay for more areas thread 😭

hushed hollow
fierce iris
frosty osprey
#

still broken?

next willow
frosty osprey
orchid tapir
fickle ridge
mild flume
next willow
normal flare
#

no shot you ping my month old message with that in an active bug thread where devs are asking for information about bug, send that energy elsewhere

mild flume
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This is the best gif I think ive ever seen

still frost
next willow
jovial grail
eager quest
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You know it's bad when now we have drama within the thread

next willow
#

Bug hit another person today

knotty charm
#

Another day of me asking why we don't just switch scion spellement to what it was, treat it exactly like before.

fierce iris
orchid grove
#

so still going cause I gave up at this point

next willow
mild flume
next willow
#

Greetings from Piratecord

jovial grail
still frost
real storm
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is this the patch that fixes it? (no)

still frost
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I got 100 azoth on it that it DOES fix it

oak horizon
real storm
# oak horizon

So they just made it worse for the people that didnt fix it for themselves. Insane work

oak horizon
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yes

mild flume
oak horizon
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it means that instead of fixing it they are making players unable to upgrade or reset it at all

mild flume
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o u t S T A N D I N G.

real storm
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how are we struggling to apply spellement properties to a spell 😭

abstract fjord
# oak horizon

Does this at least lock it to the last upgraded value? Cuz if not its gonma reset after the patch and then get locked to tier 1

real storm
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it should

eager quest
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They somehow made the bug worse lol

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At least I could do some magic voodoo ritual to get my spell to work lol

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It is insane and stupid to just freeze the spellments, screw everyone over, and just make a very well used spell in both standard and advanced borderline unusable in many contexts because the bug can't be fixed AFTER FIVE MONTHS.

Kingsisle, this is why everyone thinks your company is a joke.

orchid tapir
abstract fjord
orchid tapir
eager quest
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Nobody asked for this btw. Hell this is the first communication OUTSIDE OF THIS DISCORD SERVER that the bug even exists. This company is about as functional as astronomer rn

abstract fjord
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So now we cant use scion till they decide to fix it which can take months and we all prolly lost hundreds of spellements in the process

eager quest
hushed hollow
eager quest
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This company is a joke

mild flume
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ty KI for ensuring I cannot raid I will continue not playing wiz

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hushed hollow
eager quest
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They didn't even tell anyone so nobody could prepare lmao

orchid tapir
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time to alt f4

mild flume
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@real sentinel This is worse please communicate this to the devs for us this is way worse then just leaving the bug in as it was for 5 months. People who do advanced now LITERALLY cannot use on of their KEYSTONE spells. The literal MAIN IDENTITY spell of every school just got disabled.

eager quest
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Here's a irl comparison for how ridiculous this change is:

Let's say one of my tires get slashed. I go to the mechanic and ask him to replace my tires. The mechanic goes "I'll do you one better, and for free!" And he slashes my other 3 tires. So now I have four slashed tires.

KI is the mechanic

next willow
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Play pirate101 the devs care there.

fierce iris
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You want a scion fix? How about no scion LOL

next willow
hushed hollow
#

i screenshot it before the mods kill you

next willow
jovial grail
next willow
cosmic finch
fierce iris
real sentinel
ember topaz
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Note: In last night's patch we temporarily disabled spellements. These paths will be "frozen," meaning players will no longer be able to use spellements or refund them. This temporary measure is being implemented to prevent further issues while we continue to work toward a solution to this problem.

ember topaz
inner breach
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So we just get shafted and have entire portions of the game being unplayable because you guys cant fix the spellements? For those who don't have the spellement in the correct path cant do whatever content that they need whatever scion for. If you need the pve scion you can't get it for the pve content if you had it spellemented to pvp, and if you need the adv combat version you can't get it until this is fixed, can't do certain raids due to needing scion. What good does it do us to prevent us from playing portions of the game because of a bug kingsisle can't fix? This bug has been here since you released the spellements for scion. How is this acceptable?

still frost
wintry shard
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would this have been too smart to do?

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my bad if im expecting that much

still frost
# wintry shard would this have been too smart to do?

that couldve been something too. A simple "Hey this is bugged but theres a chance it may work. Upgrade at your own risk."
I was switching between the two paths with my two accounts many times. My invidual account wasnt affected by this. Then here comes whoever decided this was a great idea..ruining it for me and many many others.

eager quest
#

They could've even described the workaround to get the spellments back in a pop up.

still frost
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With this drastic measure taken place when will this bug be fixed completely? @real sentinel

jovial grail
reef trellis
#

They only know how to patch “exploits” and ignore ever bug that makes things worse

still frost
next willow
hushed hollow
vivid terrace
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Wow 3 months the devs have known about this and it only got disabled today there's no way 😂

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Scion has been buggy for years the fire scion doesn't even apply damage enchants correctly like when enchanted with epic.

tribal compass
#

Can the devs at least add the PvP only versions to Diego as separate spells again in the meantime?

cunning bloom
#

Nah, that would help us too much

eager quest
still frost
#

Bring back the way scions were < make the problem much much worse hoping people stop playing

robust bridge
vivid terrace
robust bridge
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idk, not a developer. I just remember them saying they are intentionally not enchantable for the PvE version as they did absurd enough damage

prisma canyon
vivid terrace
oak horizon
fierce iris
astral kestrel
shadow sparrow
#

Question- eventually when these are fixed, for those of that lost all our acquired spellements due to this bug, will we be compensated for this?

glad coyote
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The spellements aren’t “lost” as far as the game is concerned. The spell is what gets lost. So the game is still keeping track somewhere of what spellements have been used

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Which is why there were previously weird dances you could do to trick the game to give you the spell back

next willow
glad coyote
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Yes because it’s clearly a complicated issue there may be some differences between people

abstract dust
#

Many members of my guild have lost spellements as well. Hopefully there is a fix to it soon

jaunty ginkgo
#

fix before i quit game i spend thousands on it btw ur gonna lose money if u dont fix it

velvet remnant
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from going on my fire to seeing it path B then off then back on to it being t1 again 😭

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^basically saw it swapped to another wizards that off schools fire to see if it went path it wasnt swapped backed to fire and it was back to t1

stuck mica
#

YOOOOOOO WHATS GOING ON KI GOSH

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JUST GIVE ME MY
MONEY BRO

nocturne ember
real storm
#

no one spelles were actually lost, theyre just in a hidden inventory when u upgrade spells. for some reason ki doesnt know how to properly upgrade spells with spellements so it keeps resetting back down to t1 without properly refunding you. but if u were to upgrade it and reset it a few times, ull get ur spelles back.

unfortunately ki doesnt like any forms of exploits and patched the scion tier exploit

next willow
velvet remnant
#

soo will we get our spellies back that we lost due to KI disabling or am i being too hopeful

next willow
still frost
stiff shell
#

...after the patch, my scion upgraded to tier 2
** I have never upgraded it to tier 2**

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glad coyote
stiff shell
#

yup

tepid halo
next willow
#

My scions were untouched

next mantle
#

my balance wizard's was upgraded to tier 2b

vivid terrace
#

upgrades people upgrades

stiff shell
#

Except if you wanted top path scions

vivid terrace
#

my scion didn't upgrade 😔

velvet remnant
#

my spellement un-upgraed back to tier 1 no thanks

tribal compass
#

Is it worth contacting support and asking to get the scion upgraded on one of my characters in the meantime? I have enough spellements

jovial grail
velvet remnant
#

trained pre-update—- didnt get my spellements for it originally and farmed cantrips for a bit to get it

tribal compass
elder bane
velvet remnant
wicked swift
#

fix scions bro i need it

fierce iris
orchid tapir
wicked swift
stiff shell
#

Just finished questing through the entirety of empyrea
Guess how many spellements I got

fast yacht
stiff shell
#

22...
150 quests and I got 22 spellements, since it kept deleting them randomly

mild flume
velvet remnant
still frost
#

If only there was a way where I could upgrade this spell!

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mild flume
next willow
stark zenith
velvet remnant
jovial grail
fading torrent
#

Just split up both spells again... Remove the spellements from the game completely for the scions.

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Whoever thought, it'S a great idea to leave this huge bug in the game, needs to be fired.

velvet remnant
#

it been almost a month since you disabled the scions and you still don’t have a solution?

wicked swift
#

😭😭

real storm
mild flume
still frost
reef trellis
#

I’m just confused why they could’ve have just retired both spells and introduce a “new scion”

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And have the existing quest have a trigger for the “new scion”

astral kestrel
jovial grail
jaunty ginkgo
still frost
rancid swan
#

It would be really nice if KI explained the exact problem and their attempts at fixing it so at least we can be more empathetic

mild flume
rancid swan
#

I mean like if they explained it thoroughly we'd understand better why it's taking so long

next willow
inner breach
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When?????

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orchid grove
#

It's still broken yay

velvet remnant
inner breach
stark zenith
next willow
velvet remnant
astral kestrel
inner breach
tidal gulch
mild flume
next willow
wintry shard
stark zenith
dull cove
inner breach
mild flume
dull cove
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i have no clue

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its being worked on!

stark zenith
dull cove
#

literally not possible

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if there was a solution, it would have been done already

stark zenith
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unsure how it can be impossible? but alright

dull cove
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because you can't have 2 of the same spell learned (paths count as "same spell")

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that's how we got to this point in the first place

stark zenith
#

waiting patiently. at some point just throw it all in the dumpster and restart

primal lark
next willow
#

While you’re at it make myth scion A not stun blocks and buff the damage on b a smidge

wintry shard
#

that thing does disgraceful dmg for a gambit!

next willow
#

I also want storm scion buff b

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trap/blade gambits should do more since you lose extra damage value in gambiting them

wintry shard
#

couldnt you make the argument that you can buff + gambit at the same time tho

mild flume
#

SURELY this gives me my scion back

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stiff shell
mild flume
thick ridge
#

Knock knock

wintry shard
wintry shard
#

KDJFSJKDFSJKDHFSJKDH

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low solstice
#

scions actually fixed not clickbait???

inner breach
wintry shard
low solstice
#

I'm gonna tentatively mark this as fixed, but PLEASE alert if theres any issues

stiff shell
#

WAIT WHA
DoT???

low solstice
#

[FIXED?] Scion Spells unlearn themselves after spell is upgraded

stark zenith
mild flume
#

2 dots and 2 negative charms = gambit dmg

stiff shell
#

AH YES WITH ALL THE DOTs BALANCE HAS

low solstice
wintry shard
#

idk why its not 2 dots 2 hots

inner breach
stiff shell
wintry shard
#

I meant for scion

inner breach
#

just dual school 😂

stiff shell
#

I know, balance has so few DoT and HoT spells, so I don't get why they chose it

inner breach
#

balance is all things

fast yacht
primal lark
reef trellis
#

Whatif they just removed the warning

inner breach
reef trellis
#

ik, I've always been able to reset them, it was just after an amount of time I lost them 😅

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Just feels like im watching the same movie again from the first time they "fixed" the scion bug a couple months ago

thick ridge
#

Were so back

still frost
#

I..is it true..?

neon notch
#

And Court literally said "i have no clue" when it will be fixed yesterday. I think Court would know if it was this patch that fixes it.

dull cove
#

I'll ask around and see. If it's fixed, we'll get the notes updated.

neon notch
#

Thank you for your hard work. 🫡

stark zenith
#

Did they mean to unlock scion?

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glad coyote
#

That part was still taken from last patch notes.

warped yarrow
#

looks like you still can't unlearn the scions when going to lincoln but you can do the upgrade feature again

dull cove
#

Scion Spells unlearn themselves after spell is upgraded

warped yarrow
#

@dull cove I did upgrade a scion to tier 2 and lincoln said it was just regular scion and when I reset it to tier 1 it said upgraded

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okay if you go to top path it says the spell is upgraded at tier 2 which is correct

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real sentinel
#

i can pretend to understand this whole system and web of bugs, or i can tell you that we have another fix cookin and design feels good about it 🤞

dull cove
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well. another fix cooking, but for now, it looks like we're reverting it back to a frozen state

real sentinel
#

spellements has become a clown car where somehow thirty bugs come out of 1 small issue

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please dont quote me on that

neon notch
real sentinel
mild flume
#

I get it KI cant get spellements working at least let us use the work around WE found to be able to use the spells we need to do advanced.

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Also if this update was supposed to give us back missing spellements it didnt do that either NervousLillia_MissiM figured Id mention. My scion was at least tier 2 before it was frozen and its now still tier 1 with my spllements missing. If it hadnt been frozen I couldve gotten them back at least but gg me IG ty KI

eager quest
#

You have a TEXT BOX explain the workaround to fix the bug in the TEXT BOX and not make a very important spell unusable.

This isn't rocket science. A third grader can figure this out.

#

You know why long time players are quitting? It's idiotic decisions like this.

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If we insist on dumb changes like this can we at least get some way to use our scion spells so we aren't locked out of the spell that uses our schools main identity or do we just want to screw players over as much as possible?

oak horizon
heavy sinew
#

at this rate give us back the seperate spells to not screw us over

inner breach
#

we're in too deep, can't revert back - KI or something

wraith merlin
dull cove
#

We didn't make any changes to the Scions in this latest patch, they were unintentionally unfrozen for other reasons. They still need work, so gotta freeze them again

#

one of two reasons

orchid tapir
next willow
#

You changed Scion of Balance B smug

dull cove
#

ok so yes but you know what i meant

eager quest
#

Ok but why are we doubling down on a change that everybody hated

mild flume
#

^^^^^^^^

reef trellis
#

also changing a scion while the spellements were supposed to be locked is DIABOLICAL

still frost
#

um... something isnt right here...

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CHAT ITS COOKED

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OH GOD ITS GETTING WORSE

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@random bluff

real storm
#

thats old

clever cape
#

Oh WTH

fading torrent
#

At this point!

REVERT THE SPELLEMENTS FROM SCIONS AND MAKE THEM SEPARATE SPELLS AGAIN

primal lark
#

I mean at least there is a warning on locking them this time 🤷‍♂️

stiff shell
dull cove
real storm
#

its not possible to make a spell guys 💔💔💔

remote trellis
#

All I’m saying is that it’s been an honor helping this thread get up to 1000 messages

astral kestrel
still frost
still frost
fading torrent
oak horizon
real storm
still frost
mild flume
inner breach
#

They also can't fix the scions 😂

heavy sinew
mild flume
fading torrent
#

1000th message ForestLOLd

next willow
mild flume
heavy sinew
#

they could if they tried hard enough :P

next willow
jovial grail