Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[dusty river]

not cuz I don't like "god of death dionysus" anymore, but rather, I have an effect in mind that would be way better for a joker named dionysus, and I really wanna fuck with that, lol

[night prism]

But i like the general idea

[night prism]

You wanna fuck with dionysus? Understandable onestly

He's an hotie

[dusty river]

I want my oc version of dionysus to be a genderfluid she/he that gives 0 fucks lol, I like that idea for his vibe

also, I wanna keep a little bit of death god at least, lol

[night prism]

Can she fuck me at least? 🥺

Ok, stop this

Back to effects

[dusty river]

ok, lmao

[night prism]

I like the concept, but the execution is weird

[dusty river]

yeah, honestly, with what you're saying with all this, I'm thinking of redoing most of them effect wise probably, something looser, less strictly "Only this thing" and something that allows for more than what is STRICTLY referential to the effect of the og tarot

well, maybe not most, but some of them at least

Andromeda works well I think, maybe

[night prism]

I like andromeda

But I agree

[dusty river]

I like how flexible it is, and how it isn't just, another mult/chips joker, lol

[night prism]

Also, I think we need to make more single strong effects

Rather than multiple weak ones put together

I like the balatro design principle of only one effect per joker

2 are still fine for a non vanilla mod

[dusty river]

the reason it's like that is that I wanted there to be as little possibility of someone finding it and being dissapointed, but you know what? fuck that, lets get freaky effect wise here, lol

[night prism]

But you chose the one you get

With primers

Also, I think it's fine if they are disappointed sometimes, it makes the times they get the cool one feel even better

[dusty river]

yes, true, but you don't nessesarly know what each tarot will give you... that is, unless we DO somehow reveal what each tarot will do somehow ingame

[night prism]

But you get the idea

[dusty river]

yeah

[night prism]

If I use the star I know I'm getting diamonds support

[dusty river]

true, that much is still nessesary

[night prism]

Also, many legendaries in vanilla are situational

But they are still cool

Even when u get triboulet in a non face build

You may consider switching build, or incorporating queens into your build

It gives you choices to make, which is cool

So I still think an approach closer to the one of exotics, with a very powerful but often simple effect is great

[dusty river]

mhhh, I suppose this is true, I mean, in this way, primers are always gonna be better for your run on average compared to legendaries and exotics and such

as, unlike those 2, with primers, you have some form of control

even if you don't know exactly what you'll get

you can make theories

[night prism]

Yeah, if I get a strong primordial you can bet I'm switching build anyway

I think we shouldn't be scared of adding chances for some unlucky situations

There are so many of those in vanilla and they work

People still take negative tag even though it sucks 9 times out of 10

Risk is cool

[dusty river]

I think the closest to this so far in primers is Doom Itself, that thing can wreck your deck, lol

[night prism]

I'm not sure why you reworked it

But it's still pretty similar

[dusty river]

yeah, I don't know either tbh lol

I think I disliked something about how it was always enough to beat blinds up to ante 8, but I suppose the same's true with all primers lol

it was a stupid thought proccess lol

[night prism]

I need to fix the code a bit though, for a very specific circumstance

Rn if the destruction effect removes your last non-stone card it still gives the basic chips

So I need to mark cards to destroy before actually removing them, so the calculation know they will be killed, and then destroy them after the scoring is calculated

Because while visually it looks like they are being destroyed before the chips are given, it actually does it after in the calculation

[dusty river]

I just changed the death sigma, both name and effect

[night prism]

I like it

Though I don't get what the name is referencing

[dusty river]

I actually searched online for "goddesses of death" and found them, there wasn't much info about them on wikipedia, but they were quite interesting, apparently they're native american goddesses, northwest to be specific

one is the goddess of "peaceful deaths" and the other is the goddess of "violent deaths"

[night prism]

Also, since this stuff happened before I joined the project, why did you chose to use these specific green letters?

Why Sigma for the primer and alpha for the enhancement?

[static finch]

alpha was my idea

[dusty river]

ok, so, for the letters, I went purely on vibes, I started with only the primers, and the enhancements came later, those were milo's idea

[night prism]

This is a fire concept

[static finch]

hoping the second one for you :3

[night prism]

Gotta steal it to reuse it somewhere

I actually have zero knowledge of American religion

[static finch]

I mean

[night prism]

But I should take a look at it

[static finch]

you are seeing it right now

that shit's a cult

[night prism]

That's just fake European religion

[dusty river]

you're thinking about christianity, not natives

[night prism]

Actually fake middle Eastern religion

[static finch]

my joke was politics

ye fools

[dusty river]

I need to learn more myself tbh

[night prism]

You live in the pope country

You have no right to say this to them

[dusty river]

fun fact: I'm actually part native american myself, quite a lot infact, but my family never taught me anything about that stuff

[static finch]

you should thank Mussolini too for shackling us

[dusty river]

it's sad that a lot of this stuff has become lost, these 2 goddesses having near 0 info about them on the wiki is just sad :<

[static finch]

to this rotten husk of a dead empire

[night prism]

Moose 'o' lini

[static finch]

HAH

good one

[dusty river]

SHIKA

[night prism]

Mooses are so cool, unlike Mussolini

[dusty river]

noko-tan lookin' motherfu-

[static finch]

that song immediately started playing

[night prism]

We need to add more peak animals to the mod

[static finch]

I don't like either

[night prism]

Hercules beetle joker is coming soon

[dusty river]

temperance jonker

[night prism]

I'm sure they wouldn't like u back either

Well, I think mussolini could have been into twinks if he was born today

[night prism]

Is balancing the sell value really useful?

[dusty river]

I think there's uses

[night prism]

@static finch please tell me you have some mussolini femboy edits somewhere, or if not where to find them

[static finch]

ngl that's suicide material

[static finch]

I don't look up fascists

[night prism]

Yeah but on a primordial?

[night prism]

Fair, but I like to make him angry even after he died

And that would surely upset him

[dusty river]

imagine Egg
imagine the amount of value gained from having legendaries, or primordials

you don't have to keep high sell value jokers, you can just keep the ones you want

[night prism]

That's not much, less than a single temperance use

[dusty river]

yeah, but I mean, it gives ^chips as well

[night prism]

Like, even a primordial is just 50 dollars

The chips are fine

[dusty river]

it should be more tbh

like, way more

charon gives 2000 each round, lmao

[night prism]

I feel the second effect is too minor to be there

Why not make it balance shops too?

[dusty river]

it's there for flavor tho

[night prism]

I see that, and I like it

[dusty river]

also, wouldn't this be a negative almost everytime? lmao

[night prism]

Would it?

[dusty river]

unless you really like vouchers, your basically just upping the prices of every item in shop

[night prism]

Maybe, I'm not sure

Wasn't there a joker from cryptid that did that?

Or am I going insane?

[dusty river]

sleeve+deck effect

I believe

[night prism]

O yeah

Balanced deck or something

[dusty river]

actually, I don't even think it's a cryptid thing, that was sleeve+deck for plasma, if I recall correctly

[night prism]

O yeah, it was that

Well, it's treated as an upside in that case

[dusty river]

idk, lol

[night prism]

I really like the flavor

I just hope it was a lil stronger

Also, it makes temperance actually worse

[dusty river]

does it?

[night prism]

Since it reduces the price of the primordial

[dusty river]

I don't think it does?

[night prism]

And if u sell anything it's lost

[dusty river]

it just averages them?

[night prism]

Yeah, but if u sell any joker

[dusty river]

also, isn't the cap for temperance 50 dollars anyway?

[night prism]

Just think that all the money you get by selling is lost from temperance

[dusty river]

you'd lose, like, $10 max

[night prism]

Then it's a downside

[dusty river]

😭

[night prism]

10 temperance dollars is more than you'd get from selling

[dusty river]

with that logic, then your shop balancing is way worse lmao

that's a nerf for every shop for the entire game

and this would be a nerf to one tarot card

[night prism]

Shop balancing is not influencing temperance

Also I don't like it anyway

I was just blabbering

[dusty river]

ahh okey

I guess

[night prism]

The one the primer is based on

[dusty river]

yeah, I guess anskf

idfk

[night prism]

I feel the balancing is cool, maybe add a cost increase to it

+3 cost then balance

Or something

[dusty river]

you know, the balancing is a secondary effect anyway, and it's an assist to it's main effect and

I can't think rn, my parents are being loud and I'm getting a headache lmao

[night prism]

But I think it's cooler than the main one

[dusty river]

yeah

it is

[night prism]

We could balance all money sources lol, making all of them give the same amount

This turns this into a strong econ joker though

[dusty river]

it also loses the sell value flavoring

[night prism]

Like, making all money sources give as much money as temperance does

So it keeps the sell value part

[dusty river]

I... I can't talk rn, lmao, sorry, things are chaotic rn

I can't think lmao

[night prism]

Don't worry

[static finch]

guess who else can say that

I'm hanging by a thread

[night prism]

God, you both are in shit a situation rn I figured

[dusty river]

I'm assuming milo has it worse, I'm basically just having autism issues rn lol

pretty intense ones to be fair, but still

[static finch]

k so

I gotta make me a playlist, can't sleep cause tomorrow I'm not sure if that psycho of science prof I got is going to quiz me to death anyway even if she said she won't (and I don't remember jack shit), my family's all going places and I gotta go to London after tomorrow, I can't watch ygo in peace (a tragedy I know), my mom's constantly angry, my bf feels like shit and I have no time to talk to him and to top it all off the B&B is still a disaster thanks to my dumbass dad

to make that playlist and get shot by the prof I got tomorrow and like, half a day

[dusty river]

god, that really does sound chaotic, hope things go well

[static finch]

well luck is on my side

I think I can weasel out of the quiz tomorrow as I wasted my day in an English course today

school sanctioned so they can't lament shit I hope

for music, I just gotta work up the willpower

and as for the rest, a ticking timebonb

so this is why I shut up for a while

[night prism]

It was indeed surprising

[static finch]

mean

[night prism]

Hope you will be back to your yapping routine soon

[night prism]

I like your ramblings

[static finch]

huh

if you say so

well people

i shall sleep

gn

[night prism]

gn

[night prism]

@dusty river your persuasion skills are flawless

I'm not sure why you went with Hamis specifically though

i love the lil guy, don't get me wrong

[dusty river]

idk lol, hehehe, just one that came to mind :3
I think it was cuz my mind was on coding brain, and I thought I could code one a Hamis pretty quickly hehehehe :3

[night prism]

i love the fella

so silly

[dusty river]

REAL :3

silly little guy that murders silly little wizards :3

[night prism]

they explode in blood pretty well when you shot them

but you are a monster if u do

they don't deserve it

[dusty river]

#🎨・fan-art message

I love this artist :3 all-in-jest has some good arts :3

[night prism]

lol, this is fire

i'm not that good sadly

[dusty river]

u make some FIRE art fr tho

[night prism]

i'm very confident about my skill, until i confront with others

then i look so bad in comparison

[dusty river]

comparing art is the art killer... or the art maker, something, lmao

[night prism]

earlier today we were talking music in the modding chat and some of the stuff others made made me feel like i'm soo bad lol

[dusty river]

I think, comparing art is good in the way of "Oh hey, I should learn to do this!" but becomes a problem when it becomes "I can never be that good"

[dusty river]

advice I always forget to take myself btw, lmao

[night prism]

i think for music specifically for me it's that there are so many different skills related to it

so any person is gonna be better than me in at least one

so if i hear a song with bad drum, which i could have done better, i still feel bad because the bassline is too good for example

but the other person may feel the same about my stuff

since they look at the drums and think they couldn't do the same

[night prism]

yeah, because in most cases you can be that good

if the me from 3 years ago had to listen to my current music or look at my current art it also would think he could never do it, and yet he did

you know what, even tho it's late imma code the death primer

or at least start

tho i think it may need a little buff @dusty river

[dusty river]

mhhh, maybe, yeah

not sure how to word it, but how about, instead of at end of round, it's each played hand?

[night prism]

just remove the "at end of round", it should be clear enough

tho i still think that way you'll end up selling the joker after a while, if your whole deck is the same card

which probably wouldn't take too much

but for now i'm coding it as it is

[dusty river]

okey 👍 :3

[night prism]

also why doesn't it affect seals and paints?

[dusty river]

it should, lol, just thought it was to much words I think, maybe, idk

[night prism]

i can see that, but tbf the last line feels less important

[dusty river]

shfhkghk why on earth is aseprite recoloring the base joker sprite, I litteraly am using the balatro jokers as my color pallete sahbfs

[dusty river]

hmmm, tru, I wanted to work in that "Violent Death" energy somehow, is why I had added that, mhhh

[night prism]

yeah i get that but mechanically it's pretty weird

[dusty river]

mhhh, any ideas on some reworks maybe?

[night prism]

i'd just remove the last part and make it affect seals and paints too

also i like what you are doing with sappho

[dusty river]

for now, ok

as we are going in and adding it in

[night prism]

are the chips gained by sappho separated from the ones given by scoring queens?

[dusty river]

they are connected

[night prism]

yeah i figured, the wording may be a lil ambiguous

"this joker gains" implies a passive increase

i'd change it to "chips increase by +30"

what do you think of making a distinct file for primers? @dusty river

[dusty river]

indeed

I say yeah

also, while not nessesary right now, tree jokers should get their own at some point

[dusty river]

cat joker sprite :3

[night prism]

peak

tho the ears are a lil weird

i'd make them more symmetrical

and they are attached a bit tho high on the head, they look like they are coming out of the hat

[dusty river]

are they not?

or did you mean less, lol

[night prism]

i meat each one being symmetrical, they are a lil bent rn

but forget this

[night prism]

the reason it looked weird is this i think

[dusty river]

mhh, okey

ill try lowering them

a couple other minor edits too, such as making the joker shorter

[night prism]

Tia & Ta'xet committed

it's very satisfying to play, seeing your whole hand becoming one single card

[dusty river]

ooooo, gotta go try it our now :3

[night prism]

Ta'xet looks fucking sick

well, this is a pretty edgy illustration

[dusty river]

WHERED U FIND THAST FGVFGJVGH

[night prism]

in general it's just depicted as a humanoid dear

[night prism]

first result googling his name lol

[dusty river]

awww, I thought they were both girls :<

you know, tbf, wouldn't be suprised if they were both genderless/genderfluid and the colonists just came in and said "Oh hey, cool, these look just like my cristian books!" and ran with whatever the fuck they thought fit their worldview lol

[night prism]

i don't think the colonists gave a shit about the gender of the gods tbh

i think they just killed the natives without much questioning

[dusty river]

true, but also, they love erasing history as well

[night prism]

well, they just erased the gods completely rather than changing them

[dusty river]

wouldn't be the first time a religion was painted in christian colors cuz they felt like it

take greeces Aphrodite and Hades for example

[night prism]

considering that because of that we know almost nothing of Haida mythology

[dusty river]

Aphrodite is both a war god and a lustful form of love as well as the romantic kind, both removed by christians

and Hades was one of the nicest gods out there lmao, but they love painting him like a replica of satan at every opportunity

[night prism]

the reason christians retconned the greek gods is because they still preserved the mythology

they weren't so kind to other religions

no need to change the gods if you kill everyone that believes in them

[dusty river]

true, I suppose, though, the problem wasn't only a thing in the past, it's also modern

[night prism]

i mean, if rape is nice now...

[dusty river]

HADES IS ONE OF THE ONLY GODS THAT DIDN'T LOL

[night prism]

tbf most gods were serial rapists

[dusty river]

if you mean persephone, that whole deal has, like, 82 different stories behind it lol

[night prism]

you are literally named Persephone

[dusty river]

sometimes it's hades but a lot of them detail it as zues being the one who did it

[night prism]

it's a weird deal indeed

[dusty river]

:3 yes :3 :3

[night prism]

fire name if u ask me

the greeks were so good at giving names

not very informative

[dusty river]

it's so sad :<

I'd love to hear the stories

[night prism]

the amount of knowledge that was lost, or better, was destroyed for no reason is genuinely depressing

at least it seams that now we are past the times of trowing away information, for the most part

but still, this genuinely makes me mad

the amount of stuff we could have known that was just lost this way

[dusty river]

yeah, it's so sad :<

I wish I knew more about this stuff, really

[night prism]

this makes me more angry than sad honestly, because it would have been easy to preserve this, people just chose not to

[dusty river]

I wish my grandparents/great grandparents were more interested in telling these stories

none of it ever ended up being passed down, I know nothing about my own people :<

[night prism]

depends on how much they themselves were taught

sadly genetics don't carry knowledge with them

and considering how all of this went, may ended up losing all contact with their own cultures

[dusty river]

yeah :<
I just wish these stories didn't die, that I still held my culture :<

I don't feel like I'm native american but I am, and I wish I did, I guess, if that makes any sense

[night prism]

it's hard to feel like u are in this word tbh, considering how marginal their culture has become

like, there isn't much to identify with

i can feel italian because i can identify with my culture, but it's hard if you can't

[dusty river]

also, crazy off-topic here, but, holy fuck, negative cards are so powerful with this joker hehehehehe

[night prism]

omg lol

infinite hand size

[dusty river]

I only got my first negative card, like, 4 blinds ago, my deck looked nothing like this back then, lol

[night prism]

well, after a bit of pre-sleep depression, i gotta go to bed

[dusty river]

okey, gn, gulag!

[night prism]

yeah, i think the only issue with the joker is that it changes your deck so fast that it becomes useless after a few antes

but also i don't want to add another effect as i like how it is already

i guess you will always be looking towards finding better enhancements to copy

so maybe that is enough to make it worth to keep it

[dusty river]

I could see having an effect that gave ^chips/^mult if no changes could be made

[night prism]

maybe, but a very simple one

[dusty river]

omg

[night prism]

lol

well, here we start again

anyway, gn

[dusty river]

gn!

[proven perch]

hi! do you have a wiki somewhere?

ive been skimming the thread and i am kinda curious if you had somewhere where the info is compiled

[dusty river]

ooo, hold on, hehehe, we have both a github and a google sheet, no wiki yet, tho

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oeJKNmFgGgDwEP5BOCy_G6as3-2P6MKWjDY-6ECe_nA/edit?gid=802555961#gid=802555961

here's the google sheets, filled with the concepts for the mod

names are color coded based off how finished they are

[proven perch]

thank u bestie

[dusty river]

np :3

[dusty river]

this art is horrible lmao

I tried so hard lmao

[dusty river]

I gave up lol

[static finch]

mf looks traumatized for life

[dusty river]

i was trying to make it look like a markiplier screenshot I found, lmao

[static finch]

sure now go make the thousand yard stare Jimbo

[keen thistle]

hi ik i'm supposed to make smth else atm

but uhhh

any sprites yall need help with?

i noticed theres a few missing from the sheet

[static finch]

ah

cool

[static finch]

take your pick, i'd prioritize jokers that already have code

[keen thistle]

id rather not do any core jokers cus then they all have to look the same and itd just be a huge mess

[static finch]

i mean

other jokers

not primers

n stuff

[keen thistle]

hmmmm

[static finch]

ever played new vegas

[keen thistle]

no (i only own fo4 and mod it to bits cus i'm a purist)

[static finch]

fo4.

well then i shall valiantly defend my sweet sweet dysfunctional ass game

[keen thistle]

i know

[static finch]

jokes aside, a shame

[keen thistle]

yeah

[static finch]

there's these 2

[keen thistle]

hmmmm

should i google them

[static finch]

also them

[keen thistle]

i'm very bad at creatures

[static finch]

it's all vampire survivors autism, my courtesy

also these but i didn't play HK

[dusty river]

there's some ultrakill legendries without art, if ur familiar with that game

currently, theres a v1 coded and an Enraged Gabriel (the regular gabe is also gonna be a thing, but we ended up coding him out of order for some reason, lol)

[keen thistle]

v1 has a rather simple aesthetic

ykno

PSX style

i believe i can do it but not atm

[static finch]

dw

take your time

[dusty river]

gn fr this time lol, see y'all in, like, 7 hours, lmao

[night prism]

this is hilarious tho

[night prism]

i think this works

[static finch]

powerful indeed

[night prism]

we already designed half of them but i just got an idea for music cards

but it would require to redesign like, all of them

so maybe it's not a great idea

[keen thistle]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

titles...

someone tell jen

[crystal pewter]

yes

[keen thistle]

oh btw lemme check on smth rq

[night prism]

many mods already add them

[keen thistle]

?????????????????????????

[night prism]

any idea on how to make this more clear? rn it's not obvious that the chips and mult increase is on the ones given when scoring queens/wild cards

[static finch]

the pitch was jen's but better

go call him idc

[night prism]

I think this pizza was left in the oven a bit too long

[proven perch]

coal

[static finch]

you burned it

[static finch]

omg is that THE gay

[night prism]

i'm finding all the weird pizzas this run

lead paint flavored pizza

[static finch]

SOLDIER TF2

[night prism]

more like:

[static finch]

he eats lead

[night prism]

he does

[night prism]

we need a lead paint joker

[static finch]

well

it's already lead paint

no?

[night prism]

yes, but no jokers are eating it rn

[static finch]

real

solider tf2 time

[night prism]

a joker that gets more chips the more paints are scored, but fucking dies after it reaches 200 chips

[static finch]

sounds kinda crap ngl

would be funny with a junk rarity

[night prism]

i mean, we can buff it

and making it a sort of gros michael for paints

mmhh

[static finch]

you get 0.0001 joker

[night prism]

also, i recognize that black card there

US government simulator

[static finch]

rofl~1

[dusty river]

what I miss :3

I is awake now :3

[night prism]

not much

[night prism]

i did this and added an animation when the joker triggers

[dusty river]

ooo, nice

I fixed the extra And in that one joker btw, lol

[night prism]

i saw

[dusty river]

the thing is, is that, I originally was gonna put the Misprinting in that, but I realized it was probably a poor way of doing it lol

[night prism]

also this, but i don't know if it would be wise, also because it's still a very incomplete idea

[dusty river]

hmm, well, what's the idea?

[night prism]

i'd like them to reflect music by having them somehow interact with each other, creating a sort of harmony between them

so like, their effect are influenced by the other muscic cards you used

but i have no idea how to do that yet

it's just a concept really

[dusty river]

hmm, well, I was thinking maybe, we could swap the music cards for another name, since the naming seemed to be hard as the concepts didn't completely match, I guess, as I started from the effect first

so maybe

we could instead, change what music cards do, and create a new consumable type which has the old effects?

[night prism]

but i like the idea of multiple music cards feeding into each other creating a "song" by using multiple

[dusty river]

hmm, I could see that

OO

ok, so, an idea that might be bad, might be good, but

what if, with music card's, let's say we had, 16, ok

each one representing a different aspect of the game, and then, we create a Song joker (or something like that)

which is based off the last 3 used

I wouldn't have it be manual like sigma and such

as that'd be insane

but we could probably have 1, maybe, like 3, jokers

[night prism]

i get what you mean yeah

[dusty river]

that changed effect based off of what cards you used, similar to RNJoker in code probably

[night prism]

but i thought it would be an effect of the consumable themselves

[dusty river]

like, I could see there being cards that were themed off of "Xmult", "+mult", "+chips", "Face cards", "Enhanced cards", "Even ranks" etc

[dusty river]

hmm

[night prism]

maybe, half of the effect is based on the current one and the other half on the previous music card used

these mtg cards just came to mind lol

[dusty river]

hmmmmm, I could see that

[night prism]

were you could attach another half to change the effect

[dusty river]

ooooh, maybe we could

have them be like spectrals, right? nvm, idea was gonna go to stupid places lol

[night prism]

like, one chooses what effect and the other chooses the target, or something

like, create three aces with [balk]

[dusty river]

well, I blanked the music page and added a new one with the old effects, so

[dusty river]

ooooo, okey, okey, I can see where you're going with this

[night prism]

and the other one changes the blank part

[dusty river]

this seems interesting

[night prism]

but if we do this, i don't think we need to remove the old effects, we can just build them this way

[dusty river]

so, we could have it be, like
"Create 3 Aces -"
"- with random suits, one of which also being polychrome"
or something

replied to the wrong one lol

[night prism]

we need to make the effects modular

[dusty river]

hmm, yeah, tho, only problem is, I think this way, we'd need to either pick it only effecting jokers or only effecting playing cards, as I'm not sure exactly how we'd, for example, give a joker a suit, or enhancement, lol

[night prism]

one may say "create aces with-" another "create a copy of a card with-" another "turn 3 slected cards into-"

[dusty river]

mhhhh, interesting

[night prism]

aren't almost all of them for cards already?

[dusty river]

I guess, though, I think I'd like to move the ones for jokers to a new consumable type, then

I like where you're going though actually

[night prism]

we still have augments

[dusty river]

I love this, and it makes these cards very interesting

[dusty river]

I suppose, yeah, tho, those seem to be geared almost completely towards tweaks at this point, lol

which, they are supposed to, of course

[night prism]

we only have 8 rn though

[dusty river]

hmm

fair

[night prism]

we can make some related to something else

[dusty river]

ok, I vibe with all this

music cards for playing cards
augments for jokers

[night prism]

but for now let's focus on the music cards

the original idea was that each one did something and also influenced the next one

but that may be a bit hard to design

[dusty river]

first things first, I think we need to name the 2 halfs
like, "starter" and "finisher" or something

[night prism]

otherwise we can just make boosters let you chose 2 the halves

[dusty river]

I think it may be interesting, if-

[night prism]

as i said, originally i though each one having a starter ans a finisher built into itself

[dusty river]

we had it so that boosters first let you choose the first half, then opened another booster containing the other half

[dusty river]

ahhh

[night prism]

the finisher for this one and the starter for the next

but that may be confusing

and hard to balance

i need to brainstorm a bit i think

[dusty river]

mhh, ok

in the meantime, I'll try moving the joker related ones to augments

ok, the 2 joker related music cards are now augment cards instead

I'm actually quite happy about this, as one of the 2 ended up being the Augment Spectral, at least, for now

[night prism]

Ok, I think I like the ideas I'm having, but balancing may be very hard

We need all the first and second half to have similar power level

I'm gonna put some ideas on the sheet for now

[dusty river]

good luck! :3

[night prism]

I think we can afford them being a bit more powerful since you are not always getting the combination you want

And that may force u to skip the packs sometimes

[dusty river]

yeah

[night prism]

wouldn't masterpiece giving tweaks make more sense?

[dusty river]

idk, lol, I liked the original effect lol, and besides, I think you've said before something about tweaks not always being applicable, they really are the kinda thing you want to know what you're getting with

[night prism]

fair

[dusty river]

getting a random augment card is kind of like getting a random spectral card, getting a random tweak is like USING a random spectral card

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

is it just me, or are divine playing cards not doing anything? I can't see any changes on my end

[night prism]

they don't

we never added that

[dusty river]

wait, huh

ok, I'm not even sure what's happening now lol

so, I sold all my jokers just to test the playing cards and

it's leveling the hand like, 9 times

from one divine card

what's even wierder is that it isn't consistant

I got +8 first high card played, then +4, then +3

[night prism]

try updating now

it should work properly

@dusty river look at the music page on teh sheet

to get an idea

the effects are still not balanced at all

this is all just brainstorming

[dusty river]

yeah, I'm feeling all this, hehehe

[night prism]

we need to come up with more activation effects

[dusty river]

I could see there being a "Select all Face cards in hand-" or something to that nature

[night prism]

this one was already on the list

also the spectral one will select all cards in hand

[dusty river]

mhhhh

I just realized all 3 of us have, like, a domain now, lol, in consumables

we all work together of course, but like, I find it fun

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

Augment cards, Music cards, Darkana

[night prism]

an issue with those cards i think may be that they are definitely going to be rare, considering how strong the effects are

but that makes combining them harder

so we may need to nerf them a bit

and make them more common

[dusty river]

I think it should probably have a different booster pack size, like spectral does, but in the other direction

so, in even the smallest pack, you can still select 2 cards

and the mega maybe you can select 3, or 4

[night prism]

they should be very expensive then

base $10 or something already

[dusty river]

tru

[night prism]

$8, $12, $16

maybe

2 cards from 4, 2 cards from 6, and 3 cards from 6

[dusty river]

sounds good I thinks

[night prism]

i added quite a few, you are free to add more

[dusty river]

ok, hehehe, also, not sure if you saw, but you gave me an insane joker idea with all this, hehehehe

[night prism]

where?

also fl studio must be reworked lol

[dusty river]

not sure if Absurd fits on it, but...

well, check to the right of features to concept :3 hehehehe

[night prism]

god

rnjoker at home

[dusty river]

I always hated the swapping of rnjoker each blind, cuz, like, you never get to have fun with it? u know?

[night prism]

yeah, it should have been each ante imo

[dusty river]

I wanna see my personal random joker stay with me, from start to finish :3

[dusty river]

also, same here with joker 64, go nuts on this page lmao

[night prism]

how many self inserts we can get on this menu lol

we need more

[dusty river]

lmao

[night prism]

we must add your self insert too

i think imma add a slider to darkside to fix the wide menu issue

this is so stupid but i'm doing it

[night prism]

am i wasting time @static finch

or is this endeavor worth it?

[static finch]

'tis glorious

[night prism]

i should make a mod with all the ui fixes i'm making lol

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

you know what, i'm doing it

it shouldn't take much

i already have all the code

how should i call it though?

"Unjunkify" sounds cool

[static finch]

unjankify

it's jank not junk

[night prism]

right

[night prism]

https://github.com/blazingulag/Unjankify

[static finch]

the jankquisher

[dusty river]

I'm baccc, forgot to say I was leaving lol

[static finch]

i read leaking for a sec

[dusty river]

I'm gonna interpret that in the "Anime Witch Girl Covered in Scars and Near Death" way

[static finch]

you know exactly what i mean.

[night prism]

it's not like there's any other way

[dusty river]

what do u think of the mod btw :33

[proven perch]

i am ddefinitely not the target audience for it lol

but judging by what i think its trying to do it seems really nice!

[dusty river]

fair, hehehe

we are planning on adding configs at some point tho, like cryptid, if that helps any

like, if you only like the regular jokers, or something, for example, at some point in the future, when we get around to making the configs, you could just play with them if u wanted

[night prism]

i'm slowly taking control of #1209506514763522108

[proven perch]

gonna be honest, the google sheet eluded me a bit as to which were the regular jokers lol

[dusty river]

oh, lmao, hold on lol

[night prism]

I HATE UI I HATE UI

i meant... we are making config, sure

[dusty river]

they should be in otherJonkers, that's where all the regular rarities of jokers go lol

[proven perch]

everywhere i go, i see the weird bird from hyeronimus bosch famous tryptich "The garden of earthly delights"

[night prism]

i love him

[dusty river]

this is one of my favorites so far, for our vanilla feeling jokers

[night prism]

tbf i feel they have a pretty bad memory

[proven perch]

jimbo after drinking 17 liters of water

[night prism]

i just had a shot at drawing him from memory

with a mouse in paint lol

[dusty river]

hehehe, thas a good jimbo, lol, hehehe :>

(I wonder if we can, somehow, make this one also a joker, lmao)

[night prism]

joker from memory(reprise)

[static finch]

that's great

ngl

[dusty river]

"Another Joker from Memory"

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

joker from memory: evolution

[night prism]

i drew too many jokers

[dusty river]

Joker from Memory 2: Electric Boogaloo

[night prism]

i remember them pretty well now

[static finch]

lucky you that you can

my envy is definitely not at super deadly sin level rn

[dusty river]

a joker inspired by karl
does rare work for this u think?

[night prism]

Rare since rare is red

Though, what does the effect mean?

[dusty river]

similar to how Karl Marx joker from your mod works, their rarity is set to common while you hold the joker, I can imagine a couple crazy synergizes with it from other mods

[night prism]

Btw, we need to buff frisk I think

I was using it today and felt pretty underwelmed

[dusty river]

mhh

I mean, it is a common, tbf, but I could see upping it a bit

[night prism]

In most cases it's just +60 chips

Compared to something like abstract joker it's quite weak

[dusty river]

truuuuu

30 chips maybe?

[night prism]

I think so

[night prism]

...

this mod is consuming me

[static finch]

your own doing

anyway

i have to face the most devastating tragedy yet

all the episodes after 99 are only subbed

[night prism]

you are screwed

[static finch]

well fuck me

i'm in too deep now

[dusty river]

what show?

[night prism]

great message combo

[dusty river]

a waht

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

WHAT?

[static finch]

oh come on

also i just discovered this shit got the 4kids treatment too.

aka, censored the shit out of it, changed names for no reason

and all that other bullcrap

my day? RUINED

[night prism]

a classic

[static finch]

guess i got a better chance of looking up a plot summary

fuck this

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

50 episodes of something completely different

for no reason

the absolute pinnacle of irony is that I ALREADY KNEW THE FINALE TO THE ENGLISH ONE

why?

cause i saw it 9 years ago

AND DIDN'T KNOW SHIT

my suffering has inspired me though

'tis time i concept

a 4kids joker

fucking bastards took my anime away

[night prism]

@dusty river what is going to be our main menu gang joker?

[static finch]

if only i saved myself the trouble

[static finch]

poe obv

[night prism]

i guess your self insert

[static finch]

oh cmon i want niko there too

if they ever get art

seriously this time

[dusty river]

no way actually, I thought maybe self insert for a second but

SIGMA

[night prism]

we can make it cycle trough them

[dusty river]

oooooo, interesting

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

just a random one

[static finch]

agreed

i want THE QUEEN there

[night prism]

but it must be discovered

[dusty river]

hmmm, I like this

[night prism]

unless we want to do like garbshit and add many copies of them

[night prism]

no, i meant we literally cant show undiscovered ones

it's against the law

[static finch]

i desire a joker slot machine

in the menu

if the same 3 jokers show up (fixed chance) a joker unlocks

and it won't bother people who hate unlocks like me cause cryptid wipes that off the face of the earth

[night prism]

aikoyori has solitaire in the menu

we can add a slot machine

[static finch]

gambling is more my style

[night prism]

why is aikoyori's not in your modpack?

it just added a joker that becomes stronger the more mods you have

[static finch]

last time i used it it lagged like crazy

[night prism]

your modpack lags like crazy regardless

[static finch]

i pull a consistent 200 fps at least

on anything

[night prism]

i'm using it without an issue rn

but i disabled a lot of mods

[dusty river]

we should make it harsher tbh, 4kids effect, only common jokers appear in shop

[static finch]

beat me

[static finch]

i want to make it actually usable

just like their anime is technically watchable

even if it sucks ass

[dusty river]

make it also give mult, or well, just have it be a synergistic utility joker

[night prism]

they are very close friends

[dusty river]

common jokers have some use cases, like kcvanilla's Joker Chan

[static finch]

i literally installed it a second ago

and this is already falling 50 fps

aiko's is great and all but the sacrifice is not worth it

[night prism]

this is weird

[static finch]

look

it's 30 cool jokers and some other gimmicky stuff

but i personally find it too outlandish

would use it but even if i want to it just kills it

[night prism]

funnily enough this is the random starting legendary i got

[static finch]

wow how original

[night prism]

is this a joke? aren't half the mods you have more outlandish than that

[static finch]

would be veeeery funny if niko was coded to pop up as soon as possible first time someone installs the mod

[static finch]

look letters aren't my thing

they're literally not even cards anymore

[night prism]

ok this is better though

[static finch]

COMRADE

commieflag

well hey one good thing

[night prism]

i don't use that deck

[static finch]

at least aiko's doesn't instakill stuff

[static finch]

that mod clogs up my booster slots

and- wait.

i wanted to ask this for some time

this just reminded me

[night prism]

also, prism/aikoyori cross mod content is coming, not from me though

so i guess you'd be missing on some pizza

[static finch]

how do we pull a jen's and just bump up baseline consumable slots, shop slots, booster slots and voucher slots

[static finch]

ohhhh noooooooooooo

letter cereal pizza?

whatever

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

i'd want this personally

i got too much stuff and want more chaos

at least i'd like to know how

to do it

hidden aces style

[night prism]

what?

i have no idea what you are saying

[dusty river]

whuh

I think

it'd be best to have that be

a seperate mod maybe

like a quality of life thing, or something

[night prism]

also, i'm playing garbshit, prism, aikoyori and unstable rn, they works pretty well together imo

i like small modpacks

[dusty river]

bumping base consumable slots messes with EVERYTHING balancewise

[night prism]

i also have vampirica

but it's pretty janky still

[static finch]

yes

[static finch]

i have those

[static finch]

I KNOW

i said PERSONALLY

[dusty river]

why on earth would you spend $10 of a voucher that gives +1 slot when you already have 20+

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-screaming-scared-yelling-sus-gif-24404125

[dusty river]

okey lol

[static finch]

see i wanna fuck up balancing for fun not permanently

you are right

[dusty river]

I think I may have misheard something lol, sowwy

[static finch]

those are sensitive things to touch

[static finch]

misread?

well don't worry

[dusty river]

ooooo, wait hold on, what if

[static finch]

i'm not mad at you i'm mad at those 4kids bastards and their equivalents

CURSE YOU ANIME DUBS

[dusty river]

it was a new deck?

[static finch]

...uh

our own DOE?

[dusty river]

I could see a deck that existed that gave, like, +4 shop slots, consumable slots, etc

[static finch]

okay but that doesn't fix my issue

[night prism]

ok, i just decided, i'm adding fusion jokers cross mod content to prism

[static finch]

huh

i pray they're not as broken as the originals

and with broken i mean ultra buggy

[night prism]

are they?

[static finch]

anyway can you answer my question

[static finch]

they kept triggering at everything

[night prism]

what question?

[static finch]

i think they fixed it

[static finch]

how do i increase that stuff on a baseline

[night prism]

then why are u complaining?

[static finch]

i mean

the og ones

that one's an unofficial fix

[night prism]

what does "baseline" mean here?

[static finch]

no upgrades

no decks

no stakes

no nothing

it just does it

however you play

[night prism]

so like, just permanent modifiers?

[static finch]

pretty muuuuch

[night prism]

well, depends what it is

[static finch]

all shop slots and consumables

joker slots would be ridicolous even for me

[night prism]

you can just do it like vouchers do

[static finch]

and it's easy to break already

[night prism]

so just increase the variable

[static finch]

uuuh

well this isn't the time

tomorrow i gotta throw together the playlist and i'll do this too

a swansong without fatalities

@night prism 4chan joker?

[night prism]

we already have racism in the disco elysium set

do we need more?

[static finch]

YOU FORGOT.

the GAYCISM

and the BOYPREGGERS

[night prism]

what?

[dusty river]

what?

[static finch]

for once

the gayest are the nazis on there

[dusty river]

???

[night prism]

as always

[static finch]

second.

[dusty river]

I think that's just transmisogyny lmao

they really like that

[static finch]

it indeed is

BUT

it became a meme

the chasers are your best allies after all, no?

(this is sarcasm they all deserve the stake)

[night prism]

karl does some pretty funny things

[dusty river]

how tf did I not use this as the markiplier joker's refrence, lmao
https://tenor.com/view/happy-sad-markiplier-lol-meme-gif-25974730

[static finch]

what the fu-

well anyway

rate me 4chan joker

[night prism]

it's the joker on the main menu

it's a copy so you don't need to have discovered the actual one

[static finch]

peculiar

and pretty smart

[night prism]

for it to show on the menu

[static finch]

.

[night prism]

interesting

tbf 2s creating 4s and 8s makes more sense

[static finch]

this is a thematic thing

why 2s

[night prism]

2chan

it became 4chan

ansd then 8chan

[static finch]

ah right

how could I forget

[night prism]

or something

[static finch]

no

[night prism]

i have no idea how that place works

[static finch]

they're coexisting

[night prism]

i know

[static finch]

just different image boards

[night prism]

but 2chan came first right?

i know they sill exist

[static finch]

tbf I didn't even think about 2chan

uh huh

you're right

4chan is the English version of 2chan apparently

at least it was born like that

[dusty river]

joker idea: It's Alive!
effect: no fucking clue, lmao

[night prism]

as always

[night prism]

edgy

[static finch]

STEALING MY QUOTES?

[night prism]

as always

[dusty river]

compying :3

[static finch]

is that a KIRBY REFERENCE

[static finch]

humble

[night prism]

well

i died

fuck you karl

not a single good joker

[static finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1354364937572716544.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

they dance on your grave

well after this momentous disappointment

I think I shall sleep

[dusty river]

gn milo

[night prism]

i'm liking this buffed frisk

[dusty river]

hamis_pride_lesbian

I got vencord :3

I love the kitty :3

[static finch]

oneko is justice

[dusty river]

I is awake now :3 trying out the new "all in jest" update

[dusty river]

tell me if u know any good vencord plugins for me to enable :3

[static finch]

i got so many enabled

[night prism]

like the one that hides when you are typing, you little bitch

[static finch]

:3

[night prism]

i'm joining the noita server just for the hamis stickers

[buoyant willow]

Use Brainstorm to mess with the new legendaries (or just play w/fabled deck)

[night prism]

so, i messed with ui to much today

i need to do something different to clear my mind

Is there anything that needs coding that i can do today? @dusty river

nothing major though

[dusty river]

hmmm, what about some more paints? specifically the light ones, that way the pride flag can be updated to use the light blue

[night prism]

i was ignoring those since we already have a ton of paints coded

[dusty river]

Fair

[night prism]

and i'm still unsure how to make the shader

tbf i also feel like we have a lil too many paints

[dusty river]

What about the primordial reworks? Sappho is still using the old old version of its effect

[night prism]

i can do that yeah

[dusty river]

It kinda balances random paint gains tho, tbf

I gotta head out, be back in 3 hours

[dusty river]

i have returned :3

[night prism]

wow, 3 hours are way shorter over there

[dusty river]

lmao, yeah, may have overestimated how long I'd be out lol

[dusty river]

I GOT SLY WITH THIS?

[night prism]

omg, they added Silvio Berlusconi to Balatro

the communists have been annihilated

[dusty river]

how's proggress going gulag? (I should try coding or spriting a joker at some point today, lol)

[night prism]

if i must be honest, i haven't done anything yet

i had to fix a few issues for unjankify

[dusty river]

fair, I haven't done much myself in the past couple days, if I recall 😔

[dusty river]

oh hey, you know what? I added the cat joker sprite the other day, I completely forgot, I should make the actual joker code now

[dusty river]

I got sidetracked and played an entire run of balatro and added 3 more jokers to the sheet lmao

[night prism]

in the last few days i've actually been playing balatro a bit

which i barely did in the last 2 moths

this is helping me balance the mods

[dusty river]

true, this is definantly a thing

it also helped me see how boring Sappho is lmao

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

like, "oh, yaaaay, 16 retriggers, now time to sell this so my game doesn't crash :<" lmao

like, I think the 4 retriggers with some extra effects is gonna be so much more fun lol

we're gonna need to add another row to the sprite sheet soon, hehehe

[night prism]

i'm having some fun with math.pie

also, papyrus is very strong

i think it should be uncommon

[dusty river]

mhh yeah, fair

I could also see it being changed to "First hand" rather than all hands, but that may be small in comparision

[night prism]

this is fire

i'm very satisfied with the faustian shader

[dusty river]

yeah, it's nice! :3 I like the flames of hell swallowing the card hehe lol

[night prism]

how did i never consider that 0 is a possible number 😭

[dusty river]

lmaooo

[night prism]

well, 10s can represent those

but still, how did i miss that lol

[dusty river]

redid my self insert lol

I'm gonna head away for a bit, lol, brb

[dusty river]

baaack :3

I've got the basics of a Cat Joker here

😭 it's not working at all lmao

the sprite isn't even showing up lol, accidentally made the most nothing nothing joker ever lmao

[night prism]

Did you add the sprite to X2?

I forget sometimes

[dusty river]

I just made it 1 too high lol, I typed 10 instead of 9

ok, name em, how many problems can you count lmaoooo

first joker I've made in a while lol

the retriggers aren't happening lmao

I also still need to get the "Held in Hand" part done lol

effect is supposed to be "Played 3s are retriggered for each 3 held in hand" lol

[night prism]

This looks like it should work

Wait

It's context.repetition

Not context.individual

[dusty river]

ahhh thank u

[night prism]

Also don't forget to add the message

Why smods hasn't added it automatically like for mult and chips is a mystery to me

[dusty river]

ok, so, it now retriggers all 3s once, horaaay :333

tho, I still need to figure out how to make it retrigger for each 3 in held hand, lol

[night prism]

You can take a look at echo cards if you want

They are pretty straight forward

Just a loop that looks at all the cards

[dusty river]

I made a commit for now, I will now try and add loc and held in hand effect

[dusty river]

anything I'm missing here?

[night prism]

Good morning chat

[night prism]

You are looking at G.play.cards rather than G.hand.cards

We did it

[static finch]

?

[night prism]

they fixed the bug with straights

can't you read?

[static finch]

no

I did not see the extended blueprint thing

[dusty river]

good morning everyone!