Balatro Modding Wiki [WIP]

[final mesa]

What would you do with overlaps (like Talisman is API and technical)

[dapper horizon]

both categories are given

like Fusion Jokers is API and Joker

except when it's redundant, like Content and Joker, in which case pick the parent if appopriate

[final mesa]

nice

[untold ether]

do you know when this will be live 👀

[dapper horizon]

i'm largely waiting for more feedback and others' good-to-go's

i want to make sure we're all good with this before i actually push it out

no eta

[untold ether]

i like that a lot

better than what we have rn

do the page owners have to manually set the categories? (ex. content & api)

[dapper horizon]

there aren't necessarily any page owners (this is a public collaborative encyclopedia after all), but yeah you have to manually add the categories

[plucky viper]

is the new jokerinfobox ready to use? i'm waiting until it is to add my own fields

[austere robin]

I don't think I have any other feedback, this seems good to me

[untold ether]

oh what's the difference between content and joker mods

joker mods are only jokers?

[dapper horizon]

yeah

[untold ether]

actually

thinking about it a little

shouldn't there be a link to see all of the mods on the home page?

[austere robin]

that could be the "Mods" title, or an entry in the list if you want to be more explicit

[stray thunder]

Should "We are a community-run wiki..." be replaced with "This is a community-run wiki..." to avoid the use of personal pronouns? I seem to remember that being a point brought up earler.

[dapper horizon]

That was for articles, but I can always reword the about section accordingly, I based it on what the Minecraft Wiki did

[dapper horizon]

I was actually thinking about this a while ago, but I think I'll just add a portal link for "all mods"

Since it's a bit more clearer than putting the link in the header

[dapper horizon]

changed images a bit to be more thematically fitting

...idk what i meant by that ignore the reason

[final mesa]

• ngl I wonder if negative deck texture is a bit too bland for All Mods, maybe something like polychrome deck would be nicer
• Twitter should be X now

but in general, looks nice

[zealous turtle]

tbh I think plenty of us just refuse to call Twitter X because its a stupid name

X (Twitter) or Twitter (X) would be fine though

[untold ether]

X (Twitter)

[dapper horizon]

"Twitter should be X now" and 50 other jokes you can tell yourself /j

I'm just saying there's a good reason why some people call it "X, formerly Twitter" or straight up "Twitter"; one's a more familiar name than the other

but I can change it to X (Twitter) regardless

As for All Mods, I can switch to polychrome deck

[hexed canyon]

love it

[untold ether]

i call it twitter on the daily, and its funny how some news articles call it Twitter (X)

[dapper horizon]

I'll bring the template over to main page in an hour if we're all good to go

[untold ether]

been a little longer

[dapper horizon]

oh

yea i'll get to it in a bit

sorry i had other stuff to attend do

Main Page construction is finished!

[untold ether]

[burnt seal]

[untold ether]

shouldn't this be removed from the mods page now that the sub categories can be found on the main page?

[dapper horizon]

I can't hide the list, and I'd rather not remove the Mods category from those subcategories for the sake of organization

I can reduce the amount of space taken up tho, just need to remember how

here

[untold ether]

that works, was asking since it took up a lot of space

[hexed canyon]

fuck X, call it twitter

can we add this to the wiki tomorrow?

it needs an introduction but other than that it should be good

maybe have it as a subpage of the existing overall style guide

[dapper horizon]

I think it's good to be added to the wiki

Introduction doesn't have to be fancy nor long, just "this is the format to follow for Joker pages" or something

and yes, as a subpage of the styleguide is good

[hexed canyon]

yep

i sort of have a rough draft for a mod page style guide but i definitely need some outside input

so far i have

• mbox (should rename this to message box for clarity)
• infobox
• introduction
• install guide (very very unclear whether this should be here, and whether we should make a separate wiki page for installing balatro mods)
• core features/purpose (other than the template, what should we write here?) (purpose is for api mods and similar)
• gameplay (when does a mod page necessitate a gameplay section? clearly joker mods dont need them, but mods that introduce new mechanics and functions probably need this)
• complimentary mods (mainly mods that have cross-mod content with them, but also include mods that make it easier to play with certain features (eg for high-scoring mods such as cryptid and jens almanac, nopeus and incantation would be useful))
• music and soundtrack
• translations
• gallery (what images do we deem suitable for this?)
• full credits (how to style mods with dozens of credits such as cryptid will definitely need to be discussed)
• full changelog (we need to make a template for this)
• trivia
• see also, notes, references, navigation

[dapper horizon]

hmm

• Core features - I don't think there's much that can be written in that section - for API mods we can definitely note specifically what the mod can provide that can be used by other mods
• Gameplay - definitely when the mod introduces new mechanics and functions - like Grim with its skill tree and Pokermon with evolving Pokemon Jokers
• Gallery - not really sure when this would be needed since Balatro is a very same-y game (not a bad thing!!) with largely no change in how things look

I still think install guide would work best as a single page for most mods; the process is very similar for most mods today:

1. Download source from Github via Releases or Source
2. Unzip and move contents to %AppData%\Balatro\Mods on Windows, and ??? on Linux or smth
3. done, activated by default

Assuming Lovely and Steammodded

Full credits, this would be most easiest to make when we have a full grasp of the mod (I.e. made most of the pages and stuff)

There are distinct types of contributions like suggestion, programming, art, shaders, even community moderation; for really large mods, could make sections for each one and place people under them and stuff

And a person can fall under multiple sections if appropriate, like in movies or smth

[dapper horizon]

also @hexed canyon sorry for ping, question here regarding infobox

[hexed canyon]

add their own fields?

i think jokerinfobox has all the features i can think of in the template

if theres nothing else to add ill open it up for everybody to use tomorrow

[hexed canyon]

• looking at the subcategories i think "core features" is a good enough name to encompass all the different kinds of mods, but we do need a style guide for each subcategory
• totally agree with gameplay
• for mods like grim that add their own new part of the game with its own UI and everything, having some photos in a gallery would definitely help (although you could also make the case that you could just add one image with a caption within the article itself)
• install guide section would most likely just be "see main page: install guide". for lovely and steamodded it definitely needs its own install guide bc god i hate updating it
• credits sections will definitely happen for larger mods, not sure if we should credit community moderation though because that doesnt actually affect the mod itself

credits sections in my opinion would go something like this

• main developer(s)
• lead contributors
• coders
• artists
• musicians
• sound designers
• ui/ux design (would credit both designer and coder)
• localization translators
• cc attributions

[celest spear]

ah okay its much more sfw than i expected

[sudden jay]

😭😭😭

[celest spear]

i thought it was gonna be a lot more spit related :)

[sudden jay]

fair enough honestly, i dont blame you for thinking that 😭

[sudden jay]

@wintry compass

[dapper horizon]

/j

[plucky viper]

petition to ban this user from the wiki

[dapper horizon]

yes for 9999999 years minus 9999999 years plus 1 second

[naive wadi]

/timeout @wheat tundra 1000000

[wheat tundra]

no please don't do that i'm the only person that knows about the asteroglyph sending you to ante 1 instead of ante 0 if you have another asteroglyph thing

[dapper horizon]

sorry i also know about it, adois /j

[wheat tundra]

also the only person that knows about emergy in the pokermon mod apparently

[dapper horizon]

dammit

you live another day...

[wheat tundra]

it only appears if you have cryptid installed alongside pokermon

[dapper horizon]

huh, interesting

[naive wadi]

ha, you've revealed your secrets…
now we know all we need to know…
MODS BAN HIM

[plucky viper]

not the place for support, #⚙・modding-general

[wooden zinc]

my apoligies

removed

[wooden zinc]

that channel is the appropriate place to ask that question?

[final mesa]

Ok, but do you know about the ERROR secret?

I think very few people know about that Easter egg

[wintry compass]

i love you

[runic snow]

Man, if making mods was as easy as doing Scratch stuff, then I'd SO be doing stuff, lmao.

[hexed canyon]

made the style guide for joker articles
https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Modded_Balatro_Wiki:Style_Guide/Jokers

[dapper horizon]

I read through it, really nice

I'm a little confused by this wording tho - I kinda get what it's saying but at first glance the way it's worded is a bit confusing

[final mesa]

some tips for the fandom wiki to learn lol

[plucky viper]

why is that trivia point even there lmao

[final mesa]

idk

they also failed the "avoid writing about cross-mod synergies"

[dapper horizon]

they don't know the M lore...

[final mesa]

they didn't check cryptid server faq :(

[austere robin]

apparently it's not wrong enough for someone to change it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[final mesa]

🤷

nah it's just that nobody cares about jolly joker except us

[austere robin]

clearly nobody uses jolly joker in the base game /s

[runic snow]

I mean...when people think about Cryptid (outside of the funny Inf strategy with the Spectral in Vanilla), they probably do think about M/Jolly Joker.

[hexed canyon]

ah, will be changing that, thanks

[dapper horizon]

im trying going through shaders again and i still can't get some of the shaders to work

even tho i copied all of them mostly intact

cryptid glitched and noisy, and ortalab anaglyphic, greyscale, and overexposed

i cannot fathom what i'm getting wrong

[hexed canyon]

shaders are very weird

[dapper horizon]

i think the shader devs get that too because like

a bunch of stuff im reading in the shaders feels very programmer-y-oh-ill-figure-out-a-proper-solution-later-bullshit-our-way-though-this

or at least there's unused variables which is a sign to me that something was up

[dapper horizon]

oh, another thing @hexed canyon what does "non-header" mean?

joker page guidde

[hexed canyon]

oh i meant heading

like == Synergies == etc

[dapper horizon]

oh, i see

maybe you could use "lead section" as a term for the first part before the ToC?

that's what wikipedia calls it

[hexed canyon]

ah and have the existing headings in the style guide be subheadings

gotcha

[untold ether]

updated my mod wiki page

[dapper horizon]

yall we're almost at 100 pages 😄

[hexed canyon]

gonna start writing up the style guide for mods

[hexed canyon]

heres what i have so far for the mod page style guide

ack i lost the list formatting oh well

[hexed canyon]

thoughts on this?

[dapper horizon]

just got back from stuff, reading rn

[dapper horizon]

"Following this, mention the release date of the mod's first release version, including its version number." I feel like this is redundant especially with the infobox

well, besides the corresponding version number, but I don't think that'd be an important detail and stuff

Besides that, things look good; I think we should document configurations settings under gameplay to let people know what can be enabled/disabled

is Complementary Mods like the list of mods that enhances the main mod's experience? Like Cryptid would have the deck-ui overhaul mod etc.?

[hexed canyon]

• thats true, but i think its good to state facts in sentence format as well
• we can definitely add a configuration settings section, thats a good addition
• yep, and there would be two subsections labeled "content mods" and "technical mods", which if we take cryptid for example, would be something like jens almanac and card sleeves for the former, and galdur and nopeus for the latter

if theres something you can contribute writing wise to the style guide, that would be very helpful

[dapper horizon]

hmm

[hexed canyon]

hi

hows the wiki going

[ocean slate]

since the wiki is at a point where a lot of the things are fully figured out, would someone mind explaining how i would create a basic joker/consumable/blind/other page? would love to help this out a bit

[hexed canyon]

thats what we're figuring out right now

we're making a style guide for the different types of wiki pages

[runic snow]

Oh, CTRL+V and Instawhatever, some new Code Cards in Cryptid, are still not in the Wiki yet.

[ocean slate]

okay uhm

why do i not have perms to edit

okay i got them now

ok so

@hexed canyon seems like your the one who made the style guide so going to ask you about this, how do i get the file to embed here

[austere robin]

[[File:<insert file name>|142px]] works for me

also you probably want to rename the file to follow the naming convention

[ocean slate]

ah what's the naming convention rn

[plucky viper]

Card Name (Mod).png

[ocean slate]

okay so sorry for even more questions but i've been messing around for ages trying to find how to rename a file

[dapper horizon]

No need to apologize for asking; on a file page; at the top bar, More > Move

[dapper horizon]

Also once I get back from errands I'll begin developing a style guide for item lists

[ocean slate]

alr thanks

uhm what is this

[dapper horizon]

Add .png

[ocean slate]

thanks!

[ocean slate]

still seems to not work

[dapper horizon]

Remove <nowiki> and </nowiki>

That disables wikitext within the tags

[ocean slate]

wait remove it where

[austere robin]

are you using the source code editor or the visual editor?

[ocean slate]

i was using visual for this, do you need to go into source for images

[austere robin]

you don't need to, but I don't you can use the source formatting in the visual editor haha

[ocean slate]

ohh

thanks guys

[austere robin]

try using the insert at the top for the visual

oh you found a way nice job 👍

[ocean slate]

OHH that's how you do it with visual, i just wnet into the source lol

[austere robin]

yeah that works too 🙃

[hexed canyon]

nice, we definitely need that

i think generally we dont give consumables their own wiki page right?

unless its of unique and significant note, perhaps something like cryptid's gateway

[dapper horizon]

Not even stuff like Gateway; vanilla wiki keeps all consumables of a type on one page

I think if we want to further note something about a specific consumable, we can just make a new section for it, but usually consumables are very simple relative to stuff like Jokers and Decks

I think what I want to note is to make sure that the order of cards follow the same order in the in-game Collection

[hexed canyon]

oh absolutely, we definitely need to do that

[dapper horizon]

and it's easy to edit pages that don't do so - visual editor makes it like a billion times easier to work with tables

the only good thing about visual editor /j

<--- old-fasioned

[hexed canyon]

lmfao

i just work with edit source bc visual editor takes a long time to load

and also the work i do for templates isnt possible with visual editor

[dapper horizon]

yeah it can be a bit clunky but I do understand that it's still very useful, especially to those not fully accustomed to wikitext

[hexed canyon]

yep

can we start developing a changelog template?

something like how the minecraft wiki does it

[dapper horizon]

I'll look into it after the list style guide

[hexed canyon]

nice

[ocean slate]

hi everyone, is there any other things that need to be added to the wiki (things that wouldn't need that much special work, just pages and table entries)

thinking mainly for Cryptid

[hexed canyon]

there are barely any pages for cryptid jokers at the moment

[ocean slate]

how does one make a cryptid joker page

[hexed canyon]

and now that gamesets are officially gonna be a thing, we need a style guide for how to document those accurately and in a easily digestible manner

[ocean slate]

oh also

i added CTRL+V to the wiki even though it's not ingame yet, since math is releasing it later today iirc

[hexed canyon]

please dont add unreleased content even though itll be released today

[ocean slate]

m

[hexed canyon]

just saying this for the future

[ocean slate]

would you like me to remove the page for now, can add it back later

remove the entry*

[hexed canyon]

click a red link, and then create the page

just leave it

[ocean slate]

no like, is there a style guide up already

[hexed canyon]

for?

[ocean slate]

joker pages

[hexed canyon]

yes

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Modded_Balatro_Wiki:Style_Guide/Jokers

[ocean slate]

awesome, ty

[hexed canyon]

actually, we dont have changelog templates up yet, so leave its section blank for now

if you know theres information in a section that you dont have immediate access to at the moment, either research or leave it blank with perhaps a "to be added" disclaimer

[ocean slate]

also, gonna bring something up here

can we make techincal mods have an image that isn't pointer, since cryptid isn't even a techincal mod

[hexed canyon]

its symbolic

[ocean slate]

everything else on the homepage has an image of a mod of that type

[hexed canyon]

no it doesnt

[ocean slate]

wait am i

dumb

[hexed canyon]

oinite used images symbolically rather than it being demonstrative

[ocean slate]

i personally prefer demonstrative images, but got it

[dapper horizon]

Ortalab isn't a quality of life mod yet I used one of its assets for the icon

since QoL mods include auto-calculators implemented into the game

[ocean slate]

right

what here is the internal id? is it cry_m or just m

[untold ether]

j_cry_m

[ocean slate]

is the way to get joker art just cropping it from the atlas of a mod? or is there an easier way

[hexed canyon]

i believe so yes

make sure to upload the 1x size version of it

we're already getting people uploading the 2x version which isnt great

actually. the vanilla wiki uses the 2x version, is there a reason we're sticking to 1x? @dapper horizon

[ocean slate]

is this good enough

[hexed canyon]

yes

[ocean slate]

any idea why the rarity just isn't showing up

[burnt seal]

don't put it in parentheses

[ocean slate]

ohh

ty

it seems like using the rarity templates automatically creates a line break that i can't get rid of, how to fix this lol

[hexed canyon]

its not meant to be used in-line

use {{Ct|cryptidepic|Epic}}

[ocean slate]

ahhh

[dapper horizon]

@hexed canyon is it ok if i copy some sections from the joker guide, specifically synergies onward

[hexed canyon]

what style guide is this for?

[dapper horizon]

item lists

i.e. Jokers, Decks, Planet Cards etc

particularly, turns out stuff like consumables have synergy sections on vanilla balatro wiki

actually hm

i might need to rethink my plan for this item list guide

[hexed canyon]

sorry, just reading this now

let me know what changes

[ocean slate]

this is what i have so far, how do you mkae one of th ose drop down things for synergies

[burnt seal]

drop down?

[hexed canyon]

do you mean a heading? type == Synergies ==

[dapper horizon]

On visual editor there should also be a dropdown for those

[ocean slate]

ty

anyway, i released the m page for tonight

probably adding synergies tommorow?

[hexed canyon]

also for the joker art you rarely need to give the dimensions, the default is 2x size

send a link

[ocean slate]

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Cryptid/m

[hexed canyon]

nice

[ocean slate]

hopefully now that i've figured out how to use all the templates i can make pages way faster

[hexed canyon]

use the Vj template to link to vanilla jokers

[ocean slate]

ohh right

[dapper horizon]

also you need to put {{modsubpage}} for all subpages under a mod (which includes Joker pages)

just for organizational purposes

[hexed canyon]

yes

[dapper horizon]

speaking of which i'm gonna note that down on the joker guide

[hexed canyon]

actually i need to write that down in the

yep

[ocean slate]

wait that makes them not orange anymore, is that fine

[hexed canyon]

uh yea

i think so?

yea

[hexed canyon]

would you write it in the beginning before the infobox or at the end with the category assignments?

also is there a style guide for making categories?

ah there is

found it

[ocean slate]

do i just put {{modsubpage}} at the top?

[dapper horizon]

Anywhere but preferably at the top so it can be found easily

[ocean slate]

also, do you guys think this article is a stub

[hexed canyon]

yes

[ocean slate]

alr

it becomes a non-stub when synergies get added, correct?

[dapper horizon]

You don't need to necessarily color Joker names all the time, but if you want to color Vj, just do {{ct|COLOR|{{vj|JOKER_NAME}} }}

space optional but good for source readibility

[hexed canyon]

for now, yes
once we get changelog templates and translation table templates going then every joker page would need those

a missing information mbox template would be good

also hm. this is off

[ocean slate]

the stub part?

[hexed canyon]

yes, but thats on us to fix it so dont worry about it

[ocean slate]

alr

[dapper horizon]

Actually I would recommend not coloring Joker names outside of card descriptions, it can get a bit tiring to do

[ocean slate]

m

is there a harm in it for this page

also why is it not appearing whhen you click "m" in the cryptid jokers page anymore

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Cryptid/m# page exists here, but it wants you to create a page here

[hexed canyon]

oh

[burnt seal]

caching, probably

i clicked purge cache and it blueshifted properly

[ocean slate]

ah

also is someone editing m synergies right now

or can i add one

[burnt seal]

i'm done for the moment
i forgot whether scrabble tile also creates jolly edition jokers, and also i need to go to bed already lol

[dapper horizon]

In the meantime here's the current draft I have, it's probably gonna drastically change later, not really happy with it https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Oinite12/Sandbox

[hexed canyon]

oh, thats because you put the stub mbox after the infobox when you should put it before

now it works as intended

[dapper horizon]

well, not coloring joker names keeps things consistent with the rest of the wiki, since it's not something that's done

[hexed canyon]

and eventually we'll make link templates that show a thumbnail and tooltip for every joker

[dapper horizon]

I'll work on the localizations template, I've got an idea in mind for it but I'll have to see if it works

[hexed canyon]

oh? tell me more

[dapper horizon]

lua template lol

but specifically

Parameter names just add a row to the localization table

so like

{{localization
| Chinese (Simplified) = 帕奇欧
| Chinese (Traditional) = 佩爾基
| Japanese = ペルケオ
}}

and so on, but I'll have to see if this is possible, especially with parameter names

[hexed canyon]

great

oh thats fantastic

if it works successfully we can use it as our basis for making the more complex changelog table template

[dapper horizon]

hmm, i dont think this method would go well for the changelog table template

actually hmm

I might consider it

[hexed canyon]

heres how minecraft wiki does it, the application of it honestly feels messy to me imo
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Template:HistoryTable

[dapper horizon]

It seems pretty fine to me; with this templates-in-templates method, each parameter of HistoryTable can hold multiple mini-parameters, if you will

but I'll see if there's another way to go about it

[ocean slate]

ok uh

for things like these

will we be counting (for cryptid) when a joker gets moved to source?

or only when it is in an official "release"

[dapper horizon]

that's what i've been trying to think about but couldn't come to a conclusion

[hexed canyon]

i think a change should only be documented if its in the main branch

[dapper horizon]

Personally I'd really prefer only stuff in official releases be documented, but some mods don't use the releases feature at all

[dapper horizon]

How do we document that in the history table?

[ocean slate]

wdym main branch

[hexed canyon]

oh you mean in when a joker is coded into a development version, not in a separate branch

[dapper horizon]

basically virtually all mods are on some sort of git (keeps tracks of changes and stuff), like github; there's a main branch where all the "official" stuff goes on

but users can "fork" from the main branch and make branches to implement their own features either as a separate thing from the main branch, or to test for viability on the main branch; in the latter case if it is viable, it gets "merged" into the main branch and becomes official

(idk entirely how git works this may be a bit wrong)

[hexed canyon]

yea, only document stuff when it gets merged into main

keeping track of branches would be a nightmare

[dapper horizon]

i tried figuring out where to actually find the list of changes that occur and i can't find the list on github

[dapper horizon]

so i'm a bit worried with this, at least for making the history table

especially if "Releases" is not used

[hexed canyon]

how so?

[dapper horizon]

well this

(again im not really familiar with gits and github)

[hexed canyon]

looking it up rn

[dapper horizon]

also I'm gonna ommit "Notes" from the table in the modded wiki since on the vanilla wiki I have not seen the column used at all; and then people can just add footnotes or something

[hexed canyon]

great

[hexed canyon]

found it
https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/compare/v0.1.0...main

[dapper horizon]

epic, thank you

[ocean slate]

okay so

are we documenting stuff in source code of mods? or no

only when it uses "releases" on github

or at least, gets an official update number by the mods creator

[hexed canyon]

if you want to compare between specific versions, select tags and scroll down to the version you want (applies for both fields)

[dapper horizon]

i think yeah

[ocean slate]

okay then

btw, thats what i meant with ctrl+v earlier

that it wasn't "released" yet

obviously i woouldnt document something that you couldnt even use

[hexed canyon]

and also here is commit history in general, less features and fields to worry about when navigating
https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/commits/main

[dapper horizon]

ooh, nice

should use calendar tho, a lot of commits go on, hard to navigate

[dapper horizon]

It's possible

should be an easy implementation xP

[hexed canyon]

for documenting them in the wiki? i completely agree

"if a development version does not use any version number, list the date in which the commit was created in YYYY-MM-DD format"

[dapper horizon]

oh, i mean the calendar in the commits list, for navigation

[hexed canyon]

ah

yea that also makes sense lol

[dapper horizon]

I think the commit ID should be used for changes

[hexed canyon]

as in the string of numbers and letters?

[dapper horizon]

this thing yeah

[hexed canyon]

mmm

thats not great

[dapper horizon]

why not?

[plucky viper]

that's not helpful information to most people imo

[hexed canyon]

unless its a hyperlink leading to the github page in question, it doesnt give a lot of useful information to the average reader yea

[plucky viper]

dates are better

[dapper horizon]

ah

makes sense

[dapper horizon]

there were a few bumps along the road but I did it

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:LocalizationTable

[hexed canyon]

oh nice

do they appear in the order that you put them in the template parameters?

[dapper horizon]

No, alphabetical by key

something bothering me: are these "comits on [DATE]" the same for everyone or is it dependent on viewer's computer time zone

i switched my system time to UTC and the first two changed from "on May 9" to "on May 10"

[hexed canyon]

ugh that sucks

[hexed canyon]

i was thinking that the original language could appear as the first entry followed by translations below

[dapper horizon]

you mean like, say we're on english bmw; then the template automatically adds the english name, and at the top? Or move the english name to the top

or the first parameter is always going to be the top entry?

[hexed canyon]

the latter

[dapper horizon]

Hm, I'm not sure how I can pull that off; by design parameters are always unordered, and Lua interprets an input of parameters as unordered (as Lua tables are unordered); I've already had trouble with templates not following the order of parameters

But I'll see what I can do

[twin osprey]

Nuh uh (I helped partially make the sprite I know it exists)

[hexed canyon]

heres how i envisioned it if it helps

[dapper horizon]

oh wait, i think i got an idea

[hexed canyon]

oh neat

[dapper horizon]

it involves 2 defined parameters, "original language" and "article language"; both parameters take the name of one of the language parameters

whatever is put in "original language" appears first on the table, while whatever is put in "article language" appears second on the table

[hexed canyon]

oh thats interesting

what about in the case of when the original language and the article language are the same?

[dapper horizon]

that language appears first on the table

[dapper horizon]

tried looking into ordered parameters and i couldn't figure it out, so we'll have to bring in explicit definition of some of the ordering

[hexed canyon]

if its too complex im totally fine with the table being purely alphabetical

[dapper horizon]

the 2 defined parameters is pretty feasible, i can try implementing it

[hexed canyon]

nice

[dapper horizon]

in the case that the input language of either original and article parameters is never defined, then either parameter are just disregarded entirely

[hexed canyon]

i see i see

[dapper horizon]

Done

to those who speak articlelanguage or publisherlanguage, i apologize for using your language as special parameter names

also publisherlanguage is "original language", using the term to remove ambiguity

[hexed canyon]

nice! love it

[woeful shell]

hmm...

[untold ether]

what's the point of misc mods

[austere robin]

a mod that doesn't fall under any of the other categories I'm assuming?

[untold ether]

not sure what mod wouldn't fit under any category (unless its a meme mod) but i don't have much of a problem with it

[austere robin]

actually, does localization fall under QOL?

[untold ether]

more than likely

could be under resource

[plucky viper]

no imo

[austere robin]

I don't think "resource packs" are a good group for localization mods if that's what you meant?

(though some of them do have reskins and those that do would belong there)

[dapper horizon]

I mean, Minecraft resource packs also has language features

[dapper horizon]

Also localization files are technically a "resource"

[dapper horizon]

Also I don't see the point of Miscellaneous Mods, the categories encompass most mods already

[ocean slate]

agreed, i find it odd that we're making a misc section now, when we have 0 idea what could even go into there

[dapper horizon]

adding onto that, if we figure out what would go there, we can just probably make a category for the case

[dapper horizon]

The 100th article was created! It is Cube (Cryptid)

[final mesa]

🧊

[ocean slate]

imo this part doesn't make that much sense since this is just something for all eternals, not just cube

[dapper horizon]

I think it's noteworthy for Cube since it is always eternal, regardless of stake or deck

[hexed canyon]

sooooo true

[dapper horizon]

oh i just saw this, sincerely sorry for not answering

[hexed canyon]

its okay, i didnt realize you didnt answer either ;-;

[dapper horizon]

my initial thought was to reduce the amount of sapce they took up and stuff, and scaling can be compensated for with image-rendering: pixelated

however now i'm thinking, such doesn't seem all that worthwhile; pixelated image rendering doesnt look good at certain image scales (particularly non-whole-number scales) and we really shouldnt be all too concerned about the amount of space images take up

i might be seeing this the wrong way tho

we do need to decide on which to stick though; we've already got severe inconsistencies with sprite resolutions

I'm thinking we should switch to 2x res since most wikis for pixel art games go for that, so it's the de-facto standard

[runic snow]

The difference is, Cube is ALWAYS Eternal (unless you use Lock/PATCH), while other Jokers aren't nearly as guaranteed to have it.

@final mesa BTW, I gotta ask, why is the main icon of the Moddedtro Wiki this?

[dapper horizon]

default logo for miraheze wikis

that's the miraheze logo

we haven't decided on a wiki logo lol

[dapper horizon]

turns out only Planet Cards page has this >:/

well idk what to think of it now

im tired, im gonna grab some poutine if they're still open, and if not i'm gonna throw a fit or smth idk

I am going to throw a fit

@hexed canyon what if we made a central meta page for Trivia sections for the various style guides to point at, instead of copy-pasing text across different pages

[hexed canyon]

actually we can just put it in the main style guide page

and then put in like a shortcut to it or something

[hexed canyon]

2x is a good idea i think

[dapper horizon]

Good point

[burnt seal]

cube is always eternal and doesn't have a different feature that might make you want to place it somewhere else, is why it's my go-to for this purpose

being always eternal is especially relevant on low stakes where eternal jokers don't spawn naturally

[slender lake]

I noticed there was a Grim page, so perhaps this picture would be a good addition for the skills section.

(complete chart of what skills require what other skills)

just noticed the two red lines at the bottom aren;t even touching the skills properly, oops

fixed

[final mesa]

what if it was Hack (the joker)

[dapper horizon]

an idea that came up at one point was blueprint

one sec lemme search for it rq

here

[dapper horizon]

ooh, very nice, thank you

[slender lake]

np

[dapper horizon]

we should set up a poll for this, maybe on the wiki so it won't get burried and stuff

[slender lake]

would a text file on all features in Grim help with the Grim page btw, there is a lot missing.

[dapper horizon]

It might, rn things are just a bit inactive while we try to get wiki fundamentals set up

so not a lot of content editing going on rn

1x
+ Small file size
+ Scaling can be done with {image-rendering: pixelated} (so on the fly)
- Requires whole-number scaling to look good with {image-rendering: pixelated}
- Blurry with default image rendering when scaling image to larger sizes
- Frame mode for images means that 1x images are small and not easily seen

2x
+ Blur a bit less evident with default image rendering
+ Frame mode for images does not make 2x images hard to see
- Larger file size

These are the points I could come up for preferring 1x or 2x

[quasi stump]

this is super cool and a good way to find new mods

if anyone would like to help fill out the page for me and kekus mod, cardsauce, itd be appreciated

[wheat tundra]

added this to the cryptid stickers page

[dapper horizon]

nice, thank you; i just remembered i never filled that part out, so i appreciate the edit

[hexed canyon]

jokerinfobox and modinfobox are ready to go i think

we'll have to deprecate the old ones first but otherwise we're good to go

we also need a page to request special infoboxes for different mods and features

[naive wadi]

should also mention azure seal no longer self-destructs https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1310840995113603194

[feral heron]

Sixth sense and trading card too 🗣️

I don’t think they can be converted by death either

[dapper horizon]

I got it

[dapper horizon]

@hexed canyon heads up, I edited the Joker template so that sellprice has a default value that is approximately half the buy price (| sellprice = {{#if: {{{sellprice|}}} | {{{sellprice|}}} | {{#if: {{{buyprice|}}} | {{#ifexpr: {{#expr: floor({{{buyprice}}}/2) }} > 1 | {{#expr: floor({{{buyprice}}}/2) }} | 1 }} | ? }} }}) (taken from the old joker infobox)

we've got a problem

I undid my edit for now, you can take a look in history, but yeah

[austere robin]

can you not use clear?

[dapper horizon]

yeah i just figured out that was the fix

I'll make the fix

Fixed

im gonna do modinfobox tomorrow, getting tired

[hexed canyon]

omg thank you so much

i was asleep during this (you sent this at 5AM my time) but this is really helpful thank you

[dapper horizon]

Np

[hexed canyon]

also good job on the clear property fix, i did not account for multiple infoboxes on the same page (rare, but possible)

is there a reason the body parts of the forbidden one dont have their own article? i suppose i can see why they would all be compartmentalized into one article but im just asking for asking's sake

[dapper horizon]

Not sure, up to digitaldetective47

[hexed canyon]

i see

also, we need to create a special infobox for cryptid jokers
there will be a new system called gamesets that buff and nerf jokers depending on the gameset a player chooses when making a new savefile (modest, mainline, madness)
my idea is that there is a subbox similar to the "from [MOD]" subbox that has three interactable sections each corresponding to the gameset, and the information in the infobox dynamically changes
its like how a lot of fan wikis have different images for a certain character in an infobox and theres interactables at the top where you can show which image you want to see, except for an entire infobox

i need to research how wiki developers make their infoboxes contain this feature

[dapper horizon]

Oh god

You mean like stabbers?

*tabbers

Thx autocorrect

You have three tabs (buttons) and each one reveals a different set of information contained in one box, dynamically switched out and stuff?

[hexed canyon]

yes tabbers

preferably i would like the template to only call the subboxes once and change the text within them dynamically instead of creating three separate infoboxes within one template with their own subboxes

[dapper horizon]

Ohhhh

Hmm

[hexed canyon]

looking through the tabber extensions available, theyre not really suited for what i have in mind (changing only text and not having to call two more versions of the same subboxes) and the tab names and bars are not easily stylable

hmmmm

[dapper horizon]

Yeah I tried looking too and they seem too clunky for any tabber use

I do have an idea though

[hexed canyon]

maybe i can use the spoilertext code that i developed in my sandbox and adapt it to this purpose

it shows and hides text right now, and what i would need to do to adapt it properly is

1. make it so that clicking a new gameset would hide the current info being shown and show the new info the user wants to see and
2. make sure that clicking the same gameset will not hide the info currently being shown

[dapper horizon]

My idea requires JS and thus asking admin for putting some JS code into Common.js but basically:

• 3 buttons (or however many) toggle certain classes in the overall infobox (.mode-1, .mode-2, .mode-3 etc)
• Each section with information (effect, buy cost, etc) has 3 divs/spans/whatever; by default they are all display: none but depending on the dynamic infobox class they may be revealed (I.e. .mode-1 .mode-1-cash {display: initial}

[hexed canyon]

oh thats interesting

i think i can make something work in-line but if it doesnt work out we can try out your method

[dapper horizon]

Alright

[hexed canyon]

is there an advantage in terms of adaptability or other aspects that come from being coded in JS?

[dapper horizon]

It's pretty much the only way to introduce new front-end dynamic behavior

Wikitext and Lua-Scribunto won't help in this case

[hexed canyon]

front end dynamic behavior?

what are some examples of that

[dapper horizon]

Math calculations with form inputs, changing style in real time (text color, display, position, etc.), mediawiki gadgets

Anything that requires changes after page parsing and during page viewing

[hexed canyon]

oh interesting

[dapper horizon]

There's probably a more layman way of saying front-end dynamic behavior but that's the best way I can describe it for JS

Oh, client-sidd

Shoot gtg phone out of power

[hexed canyon]

damn

i did find this which will be very helpful for testing and developing
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen

[hexed canyon]

upon further research it turns out this is not possible through in-line code alone

time to learn JS

[dapper horizon]

I can help out with the JS part

[hexed canyon]

thatll be very helpful

[dapper horizon]

After I sleep and do exams

[hexed canyon]

damn

good luck

[dapper horizon]

Thx

[hexed canyon]

i also need to learn how to do JS anyway so i can be more useful

[wheat tundra]

hey so i feel like there should be a category for this, so i may as well ask;
what do you guys think is a fitting term for jokers that only start appearing once a certain condition is met

(i.e. Big Cube)

[hexed canyon]

like how cavendish works?

[wheat tundra]

ye

[hexed canyon]

i see

perhaps "discoverable jokers" would be a good name for it

[wheat tundra]

now i do like that

but yknow

you kinda need to discover jokers in order to get them in the collection

could be some confusion in that regard

[hexed canyon]

thats what the word "unlock" is for

[austere robin]

well there's unlocking and discovering

[austere robin]

do jokers like glass joker (only appears once player has at least 1 glass card) also fall under this category? if so, I'd go for something like "jokers with spawn conditions"? 🤔

[wheat tundra]

hadn't considered that

with that in mind yeah i think that's what it should be

[hexed canyon]

oh yeah spawn conditions

we can name it like that to avoid ambiguous meaning

[wheat tundra]

there's also jokers that can only spawn after discovering secret hands iirc so i feel like that could fall under that category as well

[austere robin]

probably would yeah

[hexed canyon]

"jokers involving secret hands"

[burnt seal]

for the jokertype field in the infobox, do we want to use template:Jtype for this?

[burnt seal]

changed the fandom link to an anti-fandom link, cause screw fandom
do we want to screw fandom? i'm not against it (fandom sucks so much you would not believe) but all antifandom is is just an alternate viewer; it gets the data from fandom anyway

if so, we should add it to the interwikis

[austere robin]

isn't there a joker fandom link template?

yeah there's https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Vj

[burnt seal]

there is, yes, but it doesn't allow changing the display text

[austere robin]

it should probably support that actually?

[burnt seal]

i.e. a link to Ceremonial Dagger has to read "Ceremonial Dagger", when in this context i want it to read "Ceremonial"
and yes that feature should be added but we don't currently have it

[austere robin]

alright well added it as argument and documentation

[austere robin]

I do think it's a good point to raise, but it should probably be decided as a whole within template:vj

[hexed canyon]

i wrote in the joker style guide to avoid fandom links if possible

[naive wadi]

their main mechanic only activates when you have all of them, but ig you could have a separate page for each one

[hexed canyon]

which format do you think would be most helpful, five wiki articles (one for each joker), or one wiki article for all five jokers

[naive wadi]

idk honestly, the body parts have the same basic effects as the editions, so they would be pretty uninteresting on their own

[hexed canyon]

we can keep it in one article then

[hexed canyon]

i might have figured out how joker tooltips work in the fandom wiki
they use dynamicpagelist which pulls the parameters used in the joker infobox to display the info into a tooltip
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3

the first link is the J template, where the article editor types in the joker they want to link to and enters the joker's name into the TooltipBase template, calling the tooltip template used in Template:Joker info
https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Template:J?action=edit

the second link is TooltipBase, where it finds the joker link and pulls the information for Joker info.tooltip to use
https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Template:TooltipBase?action=edit

the third link is the Joker info.tooltip, which pulls the parameters used in the Joker info template found by TooltipBase and injects the info into the table that shows up in the final result
https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Joker_info.tooltip?action=edit

[hexed canyon]

to be completely honest this still kinda stumps me

im not sure i explained it properly

[austere robin]

I wrote the thing

is there anything about it you don't understand?

cuz your summary seems pretty good actually (though you are missing the javascript it uses https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js)

[hexed canyon]

oh! youre the one who made it, thats pretty cool

great work on it

[austere robin]

hah, definitely took me way too long

it's called a "DPL phantom template", which like you said pulls arguments from the first template (Joker_info) and uses it as input for the second (Joker_info.tooltip)

[hexed canyon]

a phantom template??

[austere robin]

look man I was in the trenches with this DPL stuff

[hexed canyon]

coding takes you to deep and hellish places

[austere robin]

https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Extension:DPL3/Parameters:_Controlling_output_volume#include_contents_related_to_templates

anyway that was an absolute pain in the ass and I suggest doing something else if you want tooltips

[hexed canyon]

i looked at the other tooltip extensions that i could find and i dont think this can pull existing info from articles without DPL3
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tooltip

[hexed canyon]

unrelated but i found the manual to how i think i could achieve changing gameset info for cryptid joker infoboxes
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions

[austere robin]

our (the fandom's) previous conclusion was that you will need one of the following for a dynamic tooltip:
-DPL3 pulling stuff from templates
-a "source" that both the page and the tooltip pull from
-some sort of page preview, e.g. https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/LinkPreview or https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/ArticlePreview (but I'm not sure if miraheze or mediawiki itself has an equivalent)

[hexed canyon]

interesting

• you said this was painful to work with so ill take your word for it
• i dont like creating separate sources for useful info when you could just directly input it into the joker article
• currently looking at LinkPreview, if you can customize the CSS for the tooltip then this could work

actually hm. i dont think LinkPreview has the ability to select certain elements and only show those in the tooltip

[dapper horizon]

I'd rather we don't; linking directly to the source page is more convenient than working your way around it and linking to some mirror which can be cumbersome to deal with (slow loading times, etc)

Rn the only wiki for vanilla Balatro is on Fandom so we gotta go with what there is

[austere robin]

Oh hey, it's the same problem we ran into with "well we kind of just want to repeat part of the infobox in the preview" 🙃

[hexed canyon]

what

[austere robin]

For the tooltip we kinda wanted to just show the infobox but without some of the fluff

[hexed canyon]

i see

well i think thats what we want here too

and by the looks of things it seems that the only viable option here would be to use......... DPL3

which looks really really daunting

[austere robin]

😬

Well if you do decide that route you'll at least have something to base it off

[hexed canyon]

are we sure we know every possible option?

[austere robin]

There might be other options out there? I didnt really do a full and complete search. I saw DPL3, thought I could use it for the tooltips and I started coding

Some people in this thread might know better options, or know who to ask for better options

[hexed canyon]

why is DPL3 hard to work with anyway

[dapper horizon]

Hmm, tried reading up on it, DPL3 doesn't seem too bad? I'll have to play around with it tho

[austere robin]

there's about a hundred parameters you can tune and output is a bit of a pain haha

[dapper horizon]

I should say this is coming from someone who had (the (mis)fortune) to work with mw's API and Lua-Scribunto

I think I get what's going on

• Enable DPL3
• Create Template:JokerInfobox.tooltip, a surrogate which pulls the following parameters from the parent:
  • name
  • image
  • mod
  • rarity
  • effect
• To get the surrogate or info from the surrogate, call the following parser function:

{{#dpl:
| title=(PAGE NAME)
| include={JokerInfobox}.tooltip
}}

[austere robin]

yeah that's how you'd get the 'table'

Or tooltip content rather

[hexed canyon]

for effect we would have to create a special parameter in jokerinfobox called tooltipeffect because there are certain effects that are spoilers or are way too detailed to efficiently fit in a tooltip

[dapper horizon]

Wait, would DPL3 not lead to a problem with page loading times? I recall that was an issue with the previous version of the tooltip implementation on the vanilla wiki

[hexed canyon]

yep, theres a disclaimer saying not to use more than two instances of a DPL3 powered template or something like that

[dapper horizon]

Hmm

Then ig somehow we need to only call the data when it needs to be called, i.e. during hovering over a link

[hexed canyon]

could this work?

• catalog all links used in the article
• find jokers based off links
• save joker info into hidden article table
• pull info when hovering over link

[dapper horizon]

Not sure if that will work; I haven't heard of a way for a page to provide all the links it uses into one place or something

[hexed canyon]

interesting

[austere robin]

it was really bad when the tooltips would be created on page load, instead of dynamically when the user hovered over one

[dapper horizon]

How did you guys manage to solve that issue?

[austere robin]

used a version of the tooltip that only loaded the content on hover

instead of loading all the tooltips on the page if the page loaded

[dapper horizon]

just saw this, thank you for that

okay stupid idea but what if

new namespace dedicated entirely to storing Joker information for the tooltip to refer to

maybe w/o DPL3, in JSON format or smth

also i tried looking at template source on vanilla wiki and

:(

[hexed canyon]

sad face?

[dapper horizon]

the source code was scary

[hexed canyon]

yea

[austere robin]

For the tooltip? Yeah it's bad haha

[slender lake]

no?

[burnt seal]

creation date is empty in the template; unclear why it defaults to today in that case

[austere robin]

{{#time: [format string] | [specified date]}} will refer to today's date if [specified date] was not provided

[dapper horizon]

im gonna edit the template to hide it if unspecified

there we go

[naive wadi]

also with this, please make it respect the date format set in user preferences

[naive wadi]

is there something special that has to be done for upscaled images or is {image-rendering: pixelated} applied automatically?

[austere robin]

I'm confused, are you telling me to do so?

[naive wadi]

i think it would make sense to

[austere robin]

No I agree I'm just not the one that made the template haha

[dapper horizon]

Month Day, Year is the only acceptable date format and this is non-negotiable

nah just kidding, i'll look into it

[dapper horizon]

image-rendering: pixelated is applied automatically for images in the infobox, no pre-processing needed

(specifically, image-rendering: pixelated is analogous to nearest neighbor scaling)

[hexed canyon]

so true

but yea we could have Month Day, Year as default and have it adjust based on user prefs or even country

[naive wadi]

how would i apply it to images outside an infobox?

[hexed canyon]

like so
<span style="image-rendering: pixelated;">[[File:Antimatter_Deck_(Cryptid).png|148px]]</span>

[burnt seal]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#dateformat

[hexed canyon]

yea

[dapper horizon]

only works for me tho since the script is only on my end

[hexed canyon]

oh thats sick

i havent actually researched how i can test and learn javascript efficiently

idk the pros and cons of visual studio or chrome dev or whatever

[hexed canyon]

wiki team id like to relay a situation to yall

three hours ago jen's almanac just released a playtest version of a major update for 0.1.0, with dozens of new features and jokers
jen says that a public release for 0.1.0 will come out in Q1 of 2025 (jan to mar)
we want to document jen's almanac as its one of the most popular mods rn, but we dont have a wiki page for almanac yet
on one hand, we have our policies on not fully documenting development versions of mods; on the other hand, there is a public interest in wanting to see jens almanac in the wiki due to its dense amount of new additions
i see two main courses of action that i want your opinions on, we can either:

1. start documenting jens almanac with 0.1.0 features despite it being a playtest version
2. wait for 0.1.0 to fully release around january to march of next year
3. a compromise of these two or something else entirely
   let me know what yall think

[plucky viper]

at least make the main page i think

for jokers, make pages for ones that are present in both 0.0.7 and 0.1.0

[dapper horizon]

I don't think Almanac v0.1.0 is accessible enough to be reached by the greater mod community (i.e. remains on the Cryptid server and advertised as a dev version) so I don't think there will be a lot of people that want to seek out a wiki for the mod; I say for now we hold off on documenting Almanac or at least just not focus on it and instead worry about other stuff

[hexed canyon]

almanac in general is fairly inaccessible in the first place as previous versions were restricted to only being found in a channel on a discord server

[austere robin]

Since it's still a dev version etc I'm inclined to agree to make a main page, and leave it at that for now

[burnt seal]

The internal name used for the Joker in the code. Mod prefix must be included.
do we also want to include the item type prefix? that is, should it be minty_lucky or j_minty_lucky?
i assumed the former, but i've seen the latter on some other pages

[hexed canyon]

heres the most recent version of the mod page style guide, the only sections that are not complete yet are "gameplay", "configuration", "complimentary mods" (need to write what makes a good or bad complimentary mod), "gallery", and all subsections under "features"
if anybody else would like to help contribute i would appreciate it

[final mesa]

neat
btw you should also make sure to add the option for extra options, since some jokers might have those

[burnt seal]

for the "complimentary mods" section, mods that the mod author suggests are an obvious start
but what makes a mod combo good or bad does depend to some degree on what experience the user is going for

[hexed canyon]

what would the criteria be for a good mod combo is the big question that needs to be answered

[hexed canyon]

extra options?

[final mesa]

eg. restoring old versions of reworked items

like for instance if the crustulum rework is also in madness, the old reroll one will be an extra option

[hexed canyon]

hmmm

i think using a separate infobox would be the best way to show that information

with a subtitle of (nostalgic) or (old version) idk

[dapper horizon]

Maybe a separate page for it? A subsubpage if you will

[hexed canyon]

that feels too cluttered to me

[dapper horizon]

How so? I feel like putting the restored-old version on the same page as the reworked version would itself be cluttered, especially if the effects are significantly changed

[hexed canyon]

i suppose thats true

what would we call it? or rather what would math call it

[dapper horizon]

Ig it depends on what the config name for this system would be

[runic snow]

@worthy ravine Hello, I'm just asking if the old Jokers from the 0.9.8 version will be added to the Wiki, perhaps in a "removed Jokers" section.

(Also, I'm asking if Paint Bucket was removed as well, since I really liked that Joker when I had 0.9.8.) :(

Also, where did this come from?

[worthy ravine]

that's mikas mod collection iirc?

[burnt seal]

hmm, as a matter of general wiki policy, do we want to document removed content?
presumably we'd want to keep anything already documented that is subsequently removed, but stuff that got removed before we ever documented it

i suppose if the github commit history is still available, it can still be downloaded and can be considered "available" in some sense

[hexed canyon]

i think its good to document deleted features if they were deleted after their wiki articles have been created

cataloging deleted features from before the wiki are not discouraged, but also not a priority

[runic snow]

It shown as the Joker image on Morefluff, lol.

[hexed canyon]

hi

hows the wiki going

[burnt seal]

like all wikis, it's going as much as the editors put in

[hexed canyon]

and hows that going

[dapper horizon]

i got exams to wory aobut :(

[near wren]

good luck!!

[dapper horizon]

thank you

[open umbra]

I'll contribute a little with what I know

[hexed canyon]

id like to make progress on cryptid joker pages, but we dont have the cryptid infobox template set up yet unfortunately

[woeful shell]

im making the jen's almanac main page incase yall are fine with that

[austere robin]

@woeful shell previous discussion about it and what people's opinions were

[woeful shell]

they said at least make a main page

[dapper horizon]

ye

you can go ahead and make it, just hold off from documenting game content

Also while I'm here: I know that there aren't a lot of us working on this project but I was wondering if we want to make a separate Discord server for this wiki

So far it's been really annoying dealing with forums to search for anything in this thread; the most accessible points in this thread are now and the first message; finding anything between requires a lot of scrolling and as we continue to talk more and more it's going to get harder to find anything in this thread

which is important because we often plan stuff but don't have a central location to place our plans/to-dos in; rn to find any plans, we need to scroll through old messages which, while obviously not impossible, is becoming more and more tedious

[clever knot]

I'd also wanna say

Why's twelve souls still have a page if mods must have public version?

It saids the mod still not released yet

Or is it?

[dapper horizon]

pages were made before that policy was enacted (grandfather clause)

[woeful shell]

i made it, using the JA logo as an image, is this good?

[clever knot]

Aw, come on

[final mesa]

Good idea

[woeful shell]

twelve souls mentioned

[final mesa]

It’ll save us from future growing pains too

[dapper horizon]

That's good, maybe replace "Cryptid extension mod" with "addon for Cryptid"

[final mesa]

yeah we shouldn’t give Cryptid too much credit in general for addons

[dapper horizon]

wdym?

[final mesa]

basically that I like the wording of “addon for Cryptid” better

lmao

[dapper horizon]

ah okay

[dapper horizon]

after i get my ass kicked by today's exam finish today's exam i'll look into getting the mutlimode tabs script implemented into a gadget; still not entirely sure how to do it so i'll have to read up on it

granted I want this implemented with gadgets because Common.js doesn't support ECMAScript 6, while gadgets do (basically Common.js is the boomer who doesn't get with today's times)

to-do:

• Continue work on multimode tabs
• Further inquire on making a Discord server for the wiki
• Update mbox styling for some mboxes
• Extension:Cargo?

[ocean slate]

i'd actually like this a lot yeah

if you'd like i can help with setting it up

[dapper horizon]

feel free, currently unable to do so myself (b/c upcoming exam)

Oh yeah other benefit of a discord server for the wiki is we can add obligatory wiki-bot that every wiki discord server must always add

"Wiki-Bot" (case-sensitive hyphen-needed)

[ocean slate]

i don't think i'd want to be the one specifically making the server (due to not being the most active contributor), but if its made i can hopefully help setup things

[dapper horizon]

ah, alright

I'll look into it after my exam then

[ocean slate]

alr

[dapper horizon]

before I get going I made a new template, "cry-modes" specifically for use in cryptid infoboxes; the template allows multiple values for different modes per individual parameter in the infobox, does so by having different divs for each mode that are revealed at the press of a button

It's hidden outside the infobox and won't work without the script tho

If anyone does want to play around with the multimode tab script though, here's the code for it:

/* multi-mode infobox test */
function multiModeInfoboxScript() {
    let multiModeInfoboxes = document.querySelectorAll(".bmw-infobox-multimode");
    if (multiModeInfoboxes.length < 1) return;
    
    let modes = ["modest", "mainline", "madness"];
    
    function switchMode(newMode, e, targetElType) {
        let infobox = e.target.closest(".bmw-infobox-canvas.bmw-infobox-multimode");
        for (let i in modes) {
            let mode = modes[i];
            if (newMode != mode) infobox.classList.remove("cry-mode-" + mode);
            else infobox.classList.add("cry-mode-" + mode);
        }
    }
    
    for (let i = 0; i < multiModeInfoboxes.length; i++) {
        let currentElement = multiModeInfoboxes[i];
        for (let i in modes) {
            let mode = modes[i];
            currentElement.querySelector(".cry-button-" + mode)       .addEventListener("click", (e)=>{switchMode(mode, e)});
            currentElement.querySelector(".cry-button-" + mode+" img").addEventListener("click", (e)=>{switchMode(mode, e)});
            currentElement.querySelector(".cry-button-" + mode)       .addEventListener("keydown", (e)=>{switchMode(mode, e)});
            currentElement.querySelector(".cry-button-" + mode+" img").addEventListener("keydown", (e)=>{switchMode(mode, e)});
        }
    }
}

multiModeInfoboxScript()

Add to User:[YOUR USERNAME]/Common.js so that it only works for yourself; will not work on MediaWiki:Common.js
Then I have an infobox set up over at https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Oinite12/Sandbox/1

I'll have to inquire about how gamesets will work to get a good idea on what the default mode should be, how to handle undefined parameters, etc

[final mesa]

make the default Mainline

[hexed canyon]

the general idea for images in modinfobox was to use the tag icons shown in the mods tab in-game, i do want the option to include outside logos but im not yet sure how to present them in a clean and well-designed manner

also god. i hate downloading mods on discord

[hexed canyon]

thats reasonable, if any of yall would like to make it i support it

[hexed canyon]

i tried looking into making gadgets and my brain short circuited

also, whats cargo extension and wikibot?

[hexed canyon]

cool code, cant verify it bc i dont have experience with js but i would like a way to style this functionality to make it look nice in the wiki

[dapper horizon]

Wiki-Bot basically relays RecentChanges to Discord, and also allows quick linking to the wiki

From what I understand, Cargo allows for information in templates (that are set up for Cargo support) to be stored in a single database that can be referred to from anywhere else without having to refer to the source page; Terraria Wiki on wiki.gg uses this for entities and I think drops

[hexed canyon]

oh thats cool

cargo will be really useful for tooltips and fancy links

heres my design for the infobox gameset buttons, drop shadows are not shown here and neither are their "active" positions

[dapper horizon]

Ooh, nice

I'll look into those after exam

Speaking of which gotta hop off now, brb in ~3hr

[hexed canyon]

good luck on your exams!

also heres a bad ms paint mockup of how i think the final result should look

[dapper horizon]

back, exam went better than expected but still not good 😅

@hexed canyon is the middle one supposed to be the active one?

[hexed canyon]

yep

[dapper horizon]

Ah

Hmm, what if it was the inactive one instead, as in buttons? I feel like it's more intuitive that way, like buttons

like my mind keeps telling me "that square is sticking out, it's just begging to be pressed"

[hexed canyon]

that makes sense

i think the grayed out buttons could still have depth, just not as much as the active button

[stark obsidian]

Prob better for the selected to look like it's pressed instead of the other way around.

[hexed canyon]

ah

i edited the mockup but its not what you suggested

[stark obsidian]

To elaborate, when you have 3 sets of buttons that are a toggle, the one you have selected would be pressed down and the others normal.

[hexed canyon]

yea i understand

[stark obsidian]

This looks like the inverse when Modest and Madness are pressed down and Mainline isn't.

[hexed canyon]

mhm

[stark obsidian]

I do think the slight coloration for madness is neat though.

[hexed canyon]

oh i was just lazy with not making it completely grayscale lol

[stark obsidian]

lmao

[final mesa]

the gameset sprites might get some reworks anyway since they're not evenly sized

[hexed canyon]

i see

i want the active gameset to be highlighted and in color, but not depressed

[dapper horizon]

putting this here just in case i do a stupid:

.cry-button {
  padding: 0.5em;
  cursor: pointer;
  color: white;
  margin: 0 0 0.3em;
  user-select: none;
  flex: 1 1 0;
  font-size: 15px;
  border: none;
  background-color: #919191;
  box-shadow: 0 0.3em 0 #606060;
}

html.client-nojs .cry-button {
  cursor: default;
}

.cry-button:first-child {
  border-radius: 7px 0 0 7px;
  background-color: #737373;
  box-shadow: 0 0.3em 0 #4D4D4D;
}

.cry-button:last-child {
  border-radius: 0 7px 7px 0;
  background-color: #737373;
  box-shadow: 0 0.3em 0 #4D4D4D;
}

html.client-js .cry-button:active {
  box-shadow: 0 0.1em 0 #606060;
  margin: 0.2em 0 0.1em;
}

html.client-js .cry-button:first-child:active, html.client-js .cry-button:last-child:active {
  box-shadow: 0 0.1em 0 #4D4D4D;
}

.cry-mode-modest .cry-button-modest, html.client-nojs .cry-button-modest {
  background-color: #22B14C;
  box-shadow: 0 0.3em 0 #1E7D3A;
}

.cry-mode-mainline .cry-button-mainline, html.client-nojs .cry-button-mainline {
  background-color: #ED1C24;
  box-shadow: 0 0.3em 0 #952242;
}

.cry-mode-madness .cry-button-madness, html.client-nojs .cry-button-madness {
  background-color: #00A2E8;
  box-shadow: 0 0.3em 0 #2567AF;
}

html.client-js .cry-mode-modest .cry-button-modest:active {
  box-shadow: 0 0.1em 0 #1E7D3A;
}

html.client-js .cry-mode-mainline .cry-button-mainline:active {
  box-shadow: 0 0.1em 0 #952242;
}

html.client-js .cry-mode-madness .cry-button-madness:active {
  box-shadow: 0 0.1em 0 #2567AF;
}

[hexed canyon]

oh the colors i used were just ms paint colors lol, ask math for the actual colors hes gonna use

[dapper horizon]

alright

i just needed colors for prototypign too lol

[dapper horizon]

also updated script

because previous script version won't work when clicking on the image... that is inside the button? 🙃

[dapper horizon]

Updated again for accessibility

[dapper horizon]

Updated once again for no-js compatibility This update reverted

[hexed canyon]

oh this is fantastic

i will say though that the buttons are itself their own subbox and not inside a subbox

although..... would it look good if it looked like an extension of the "from cryptid" subbox

[dapper horizon]

the buttons are inside a container that's inside a subbox

I can try moving the container with the mod name tho

before I do so here's a screenshot for what the infobox looks like with javascript disabled (mainly a minor accessibility feature); yet to be implemented is buttons not graying when javascript is disabled

(I have to do this to accomodate for Ct)

[dapper horizon]

Here's what that looks like

I think it looks fine

[hexed canyon]

fantastic

not sure why the word cryptid looks like its in a different font lol

[dapper horizon]

yeah i have no idea either lol

same thing with a bunch of other templates i worked with like linkportal

Okay, I got the steps ready for admins to add tab-switching functionality

where did it go

?

ok thx internet ig

gonna take a break for a bit before making the template page for cryptid n stuff

[hexed canyon]

niceee

now that im looking back on it i think the drop shadow is too much on the buttons

[dapper horizon]

Like the blur or the dark-shaded bottom part?

[hexed canyon]

the blur

[dapper horizon]

ah

should we remove it or just tone it down?

[slender lake]

I think the grim skills page is unfinished and also the prestige I skill is incorrect

[dapper horizon]

I'll look into it then

[hexed canyon]

tone it down, either in transparency and/or radius

[dapper horizon]

2px radius

[hexed canyon]

yea thats much more reasonable

and actually hm.

the dark bottom part can be halved in width

[dapper horizon]

image for prestige I fixed; as for page completion i'm not really familiar with grim, will have to go through the mod for a bit or someone can work on it

[slender lake]

ty

[dapper horizon]

I'm gonna get this moving to CryJokerInfobox

actually we gotta replace the icons lmao

[dapper horizon]

Setting up wiki discord server rn

[dapper horizon]

Done, will share tomorrow when more people are awake

(because if I share it right now the server is likely to be blown to shit due to lack of moderation)

[worthy ravine]

considering you own the wiki discord, do you want to be the owner of the wiki?

[dapper horizon]

I mean I can transfer server ownership, just wanted to get something up and going asap

[worthy ravine]

considering i don't do much for the wiki i'd rather give ownership to someone else

[dapper horizon]

Fair enough

[clever knot]

Huh. I wonder do you have a template like this for pokermon

[dapper horizon]

I can develop one

(After I sleep)

What do you need in it?

[hexed canyon]

perfect

[hexed canyon]

i made an evolutionary line subbox in my sandbox which would help with pokermon infoboxes

[dapper horizon]

(Or when I'm available at my pc)

[dapper horizon]

these buttons may be destroying my productivity

[final mesa]

Looks epic!

[hexed canyon]

hehe click

[dapper horizon]

Oh yeah, here's the link to the wiki server, not much on there just a couple of channels for dedicated subjects https://discord.gg/QnqgjwNxQE

[hexed canyon]

oh nice

[clever knot]

You serious?

[dapper horizon]

?

[runic snow]

|| I made a 33 on my final Calc exam. I at least had a high enough grade that my final grade was 89 after everything, but zamn, it's kinda zapped my confidence...at least it's over now, and I only have 1 more math class before I'm done with math classes for my major. 😰 ||

[dapper horizon]

||aw man, im sorry to hear||

||seems like you're almost through, though; you got this||

[hexed canyon]

bump

[vast snow]

what if instead of bump it was pumb and pinball purgatory celeste.....

[hexed canyon]

no way

[vast snow]

😱

[untold ether]

what happened to this project

oh nvm its on the wiki server

[dapper horizon]

yea, we moved over to a dedicated server (here), for sake of better organization (things keep getting lost in this forum >.>)

[celest spear]

Content mods should be an umbrella category i think?
Content mods

• Joker

• Consumable

• Deck

• New Mechanic

• Multi

[woeful shell]

on iphone you can just tap the dynamic island to go to the top

[austere robin]

why'd you reply to my 2 month old message and ping me? 😭

[woeful shell]

idk

[warm anvil]

Hi, can anyone create a new page for their own mod? Or is there a restriction for only big mods

[dapper horizon]

Only restriction is that the mod must be publicly accessible, I.e. dev versions insufficient, no concept phase; particularly if a Git exists for the mod then it's sufficient

Otherwise no restriction

[warm anvil]

Thank you
Secondly, is there a standard bar for the art of the mod, or is anything ok? (Im not an artist)

[dapper horizon]

No standard

[dapper horizon]

Hey, just making this post to let others here know that this project is very much not dead! We've got a lot of progress made in terms of setting some fundamentals up, from templates to the style guide. The wiki also has several pages for mods, but most of them are far from finished; any help with making pages for Jokers, Decks, mods (that are publicly available and ready to play), etc. is greatly appreciated!

Most wiki discussion now occurs mainly on a dedicated server: https://discord.gg/QnqgjwNxQE - discussion sometimes occurs on wiki talk pages as well.

Recently, we overhauled the wiki theme to look a bit more "Balatro-ish"; here's a screenshot of the main page in both light and dark mode. There are a couple of bugs that still need to be patched out, but they're really only found in niche scenarios, so reporting these bugs here or the other wiki discussion places would be greatly appreciated.

We also recently finished developing tooltips for modded Jokers; these work for any Joker that has a page (and infobox) made for them.

That's all I have to say, I think. (Quite a handful has been developed, can't keep track of all of it) Again, feel free to come along and help out! There's a lot to work to do on the wiki, and any help is greatly appreciated.

[clever knot]

Oh jesus christ

Why did you have to choose this joker

[dapper horizon]

The dart landed there, not sure what to tell you

[warm anvil]

the new dark mode is neat, thanks for changing it

[split orchid]

😬

[dapper horizon]

I know

[dapper horizon]

Heads up: We enabled anonymous editing again on the wiki!

No longer do you have to make an account to make edits to the wiki; just hop right in and edit a page, whether it's a small typo fix or an entire new page.

(Note that this will reveal your [publicly available IP]; if you don't want this happening for whatever reason, make an account)

[west flame]

bo

[clever knot]

What have you done

You doomed the wiki future

[dapper horizon]

I am happy to announce a month later after this change, that the wiki is still intact

[clever knot]

Don't jinx us

[dapper horizon]

I don't know what to tell you, things are still intact

I'm also not really sure what to report here besides the fact that we got consumable tooltips now

[outer mirage]

wiki yeah

[dapper horizon]

yea

[outer mirage]

btw

[outer mirage]

uh i might have added gameset system to my mod

😔

I'm sorry

[dapper horizon]

How many did you add?

[outer mirage]

i only have two

[dapper horizon]

Hmm, interesting

Alright, I'll see what I can do

[icy copper]

So is this just an open server invite? Aren't there any rules that need to be addressed first orrrrr am I missing something?

[dapper horizon]

wdym rules?

[icy copper]

I'm just curious about the invite being open. I figured with it being a wikipedia of sorts, it would be a more restricted?

[dapper horizon]

ah

the server's open, no pre-requisites or anything

we don't really have any rules there since it's not super active, just be courteous of others and stuff

(And in general, the wiki itself doesn't restrict editing from anyone (besides blocked users); anyone can edit anytime)

[icy copper]

Okay, just wanted to make sure, thanks 👍

[soft rapids]

so uh, first time using miraheze and i accidentally uploaded multiple of one image, is it possible to delete them?