#Ceres - Balatro Content

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fleet locust
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Remember cubies

warped robin
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why? what's fixing it going to achieve?

fleet locust
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You dont understand

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Ultrakill brainrot moment

warped robin
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i don't play ultrakill at all slugshrug

fleet locust
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@rugged dust can you write rarity in suggestions of jokers?

plain lintel
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What does this have to do with ultrakill

rugged dust
main wedge
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@elder fiber

plain lintel
main wedge
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i guess?

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idk

plain lintel
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prob something to do with that

main wedge
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I can't even get into game rn

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😭

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It crashes on loading

plain lintel
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we need a friends of jimbo joker

fleet locust
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Are you sure 1/4 not too much?

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1/2 maybe?

plain lintel
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yh i felt like 1/4 was overkill

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id say make it uncommon and 1/2

fleet locust
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It must be common as i remember

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by idea

plain lintel
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why

fleet locust
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Look at art, also its fool joker

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uncommon fool?

plain lintel
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if it HAS to be common then its balanced

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just not fun to use cus its never triggerin

fleet locust
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there is enough of uncommon jokers in mod

silk root
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1/2 and common, no balls

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Sometimes ya gotta be fun

fleet locust
silk root
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It essentially costs money to use, by making you use all your hands

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So imo a 1/2 and common is just fine

fleet locust
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Imagine this on green deck)

plain lintel
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thing is, if you have any scaling joker youd always be using all your hands regardless

silk root
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Why punish synergy sad

fleet locust
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its not that good, or at least we need test it to find out this could be overpowered

plain lintel
fleet locust
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hanging chad

plain lintel
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we already talked about this

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making a copy of a consumable every round is really powerful, hence why that effect is a LEGENDARY's effect

fleet locust
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Its not negative and require - luck, hands

plain lintel
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this doesnt require you to have the tarot/planet you want

fleet locust
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||Also, i have an argument! Cavendish is common.||

plain lintel
fleet locust
plain lintel
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...why would you make that point then

raven topaz
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Cavendish needs special circumstances to even appear tho...

fleet locust
plain lintel
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youre joking

fleet locust
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About cavendish - yes

plain lintel
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regardless

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making a fool every other round is too good for a common

silk root
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And yet 1/4 is boring

fleet locust
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Uncommon too

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nah

silk root
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1/3?

fleet locust
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2,18/3,14

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Was useless for me

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Very powerful

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should be rare or reduced to 0.05

plain lintel
fleet locust
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i think 50/50 sounds most fun

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Not too much

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But not NAH WHY WOULD I BUY THIS WHEEL OF FURTUNE 2.0

fleet locust
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Do you like cars?

uncut nebula
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Do you like, my car 🎵

fleet locust
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Big silvered black car?

uncut nebula
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Getting quite the good run thanks to Ceres

fleet locust
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I NEVER had divine joker

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nah(

fleet locust
uncut nebula
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Had that card in shop that lets you create a Divine joker show up

uncut nebula
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Soul Deck seems to not be able to load whatever was supposed to be here

main wedge
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added some formatting to the sheet

rugged dust
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853

elder fiber
elder fiber
fleet locust
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This deck so powerful now

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zero slots

elder fiber
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will rework the stakes at some point

fleet locust
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What if -1 slot after 4 ante?

elder fiber
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idk ill get round to it

plain lintel
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Im never touching the stakes

elder fiber
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you can just disable them if you want

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or not play them ig theres not much difference

plain lintel
elder fiber
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thats literally on my to do list lol

plain lintel
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But which version

elder fiber
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well a variation

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1/5 chance to upgrade hand level for each stone card in hand

uncut nebula
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Aizen juice up at the end of round, maybe you forgot to check for not context.end_of_round

elder fiber
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oops

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ill look into that

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thanks

elder fiber
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nice simple idea

fleet locust
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For player

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1/4 to RANDOM card in HAND

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useless because random 1/4
useless because in hand, in compare to basic wheel its way less powerful
useless because random card

(So if you play 5/4/3Ok or flushes it can screw even if hits 1/4)

elder fiber
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why would it screw you

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whats bad about an edition

frail junco
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It's not an issue that it does the same thing imo, but just having it be a less powerful version of another tarot makes it seem kinda pointless

elder fiber
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ill bare that in mind

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guaranteed edition on a card is kinda crazy tho

plain lintel
fleet locust
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If you wont use it on flush/oKind = useless

elder fiber
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also i need to rework colourblind

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im thinking sneaky can be like chance for something like xmult

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idea being its like a crit hit from a sneak attack

frail junco
elder fiber
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i guess yeah

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just makes actual wheel seem kinda ass in comparison

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although compared to hex ig

frail junco
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To be fair editions on jokers can be a fair bit better to have for various reasons, especially polychrome

elder fiber
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well earlier on for sure

fleet locust
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Hiding joker

elder fiber
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that is terrifying

thin nest
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Gotta ask, is the text under Merchant intentionally script-y, or is it a mistake?

elder fiber
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what do you mean script-y?

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if youre talking about the weird indents

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then for me its correct

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i think its because their playing in russian or with a different font

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im assuming its the russian tho

thin nest
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This. It looks like raw code, not a display of what the card actually does.

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I'm guessing that depending on the amount of Joker slots you have open, it'll create a random Negative Consumable based on the amount of slots (1 is Tarot, 2 is Planet, and 3 is Spectral)?

frail junco
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its just a fun gimmick I think. It kinda shows psudocode of what it's actually doing

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I think

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could be mistaken

elder fiber
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uh kinda

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if that joker is in slot 1

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or 4, 7 etc

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it makes a negative tarot

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if its in slot 2, 5, 8 negative planet

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and same for spectral

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so you can move it about to control that

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its mean to be similar to the code i actually wrote for the joker

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infact its scarily similar lol

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i could add a config option for straightforward text descriptions if youd prefer that?

thin nest
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Yeah, that'd be nice, I would rather not have a headache trying to figure out what it does.

The Joker itself is cool though, well done on that. 👍

elder fiber
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nws lol, ill get that implemented for the next update

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thank you

frail bolt
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this is golden but worse lmao

elder fiber
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how much does each blind payout?

frail bolt
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small blind pays out 3

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and big blind pays out 4

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leading to an average of 2.66666... per round

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(counting boss blinds)

elder fiber
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ill have to rework it then ig

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i hadnt done the math myself

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although its on par with golden joker

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which is still a common so it def needs a buff

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across any entire game its 1 dollar better than golden joker 💀

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but theres probably boss blinds that payout more than 5

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so

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idk

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ill stuff buff it for sure

plain lintel
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Also anything above RED STAKE only pays out on big blinds

warped robin
plain lintel
warped robin
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i know, but you said "anything above red stake", as in anything greater than red stake, hence why i made the correction for you

fleet locust
warped robin
fleet locust
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ok...

warped robin
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it's not funny

fleet locust
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FINALLY

main wedge
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Hey does this mod add Titanium Stake?

ivory pagoda
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I think so

frail bolt
elder fiber
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just remembered i made it not work on boss blinds

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my bad i forgot what my own joker did lmao

austere scaffold
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There is a strange bug which causes the hands played to start from the right side, when I remove ceres it no longer happens, there must be something strange

elder fiber
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yeah im looking into this atm

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think its to do with playing straights in numerical order lol

plain lintel
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not just straights

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and not just right to left

steady needle
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It’s lowest rank to highest rank I think

plain lintel
elder fiber
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but ig it doesnt just apply to straights

raven topaz
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The Overflow Voucher doesn't do anything negative like crashing or anything, but it also doesn't seem to do what it claims to.

elder fiber
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are you using cryptid?

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might be an issue w my patch

raven topaz
elder fiber
elder fiber
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ill actually get round to fixing them all now

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been a bit busy

raven topaz
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Alright cool.

elder fiber
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alright figured out why cursed purse was queue a load of events

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i was giving cards a from_joker value to know when to undebuff

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but i was setting that true, but never false

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so each frame it was undebuffing every joker

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lmao

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fixed backwards hands too

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cant figure out the voucher thing atm

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got it

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ill push this rq

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there we go

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NEW FIXES:

  • fixed hands being scored in numerical order 💀
  • fixed voucher for booster slot being incompatible with other mods
  • mightve fixed cursed purse adding a bunch of events
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please let me know if im lying

austere scaffold
elder fiber
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glad to hear

plain lintel
elder fiber
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yeah

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is it better now??

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im not sure if i managed to solve the problem or not

plain lintel
fleet locust
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What if we change dead or alive poster to Jester?

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Because he is imposter

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Kinda sus

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Diving joker balanced now

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almost perfect

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for common joker

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It wont spawn if i have 0 stone cards?

plain lintel
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YOOOOO

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Sick art

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I dont think I have that

fleet locust
plain lintel
fleet locust
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I just used unlock everything

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also you can do this in modconfig menu

fleet locust
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Zero stonecards

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sooo

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can you fix this?

fleet locust
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He doesnt work

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At all

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now

fleet locust
plain lintel
main wedge
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Pivot

fleet locust
fleet locust
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I think you twicked negative jokers amount...

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they start appear like i have 2 negative vouchers

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Not once, like 5 of my games

main wedge
fleet locust
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without at least one stone joker (already)

main wedge
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The Tower, DNA, Death

amber stirrup
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Hi, are the contents for this mod toggleable? Like new suits/vouchers etc, or is it all or nothing when using?

elder fiber
fleet locust
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Idk why lol

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He just doesnt work

elder fiber
fleet locust
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I turned off other mods

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except kcvanilla and cosmetic

elder fiber
amber stirrup
elder fiber
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nws, hope you enjoy it :)

fleet locust
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A, you mean diver joker

fleet locust
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Sooo i changed my mind

amber stirrup
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I read something far up in the chat this mod was dependant on another one, maybe everything needed is in the files now? Or I just misread

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dont know how old the messages were

elder fiber
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no longer dependent on anything

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it was for a bit

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but i moved it all into this mod

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so youre good

amber stirrup
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great, thanks again for the reply!

fleet locust
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Hmm, i think it must be rare

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Almost always good, not overpowered, but anyway. Not so many jokers always good

elder fiber
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rare for a glorified planet card 💀

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might be a bit overkill

fleet locust
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Idk

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Its almost +3 lvl

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but naah

plain lintel
elder fiber
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literally

amber stirrup
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without having played with it, it looks fine. Unless you get it early it doesn't really do much, you quickly get to a point where the hand you want to level isn't close to the one most played. Getting it early and going pair/high card would be great but maybe not rare-powerful

mighty yoke
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does ceres have the stakes out already? i remember you sent an image of stakes back then

elder fiber
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yeah theres some stakes

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wouldnt recommend them tbh they kinda suck lol

fleet locust
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Any other stake must work on later ante

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Because early game can be fucked

elder fiber
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well it is supposed to be hard

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no ones forcing you to play it

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or even have it enabled in ceres' case

fleet locust
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I mean game can be harder

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But it must be… balanced?

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Not like “roll till you lucky enough”, but “change your actions to success”

elder onyx
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I think offering an alternative stake path to the white > gold is more interesting tbh, and it has a wider space of what you can do

fleet locust
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Something like instead of -1 discard other game changer

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Defective jokers instead of perish

fleet locust
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You can hold them till the end, but they work half times

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Gold jokers instead of rental, cost x2.5

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Idk

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Heavy jokers instead of eternal

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You pay 2xcost to sell them

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And madness doesn’t work

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Or you can sell them, but -1 hand/discard, but ALSO you can destroy them by knife and madness and poster

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I am gonna try to write all of my ideas. I think they… have sense

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  1. Red stake - all blinds give 1 dollar less
  2. Green stake - same (i think all +score antes must be same as in basegame)
  3. Black stake - heavy jokers. You can sell them, but they cost 1 hand. But also you can destroy them with other jokers/spectral cards.
  4. Blue stake - idk lol help me pls
  5. Same
  6. Orange stake - Defective jokers
  7. Gold stake - golden jokers (we can change name or texture). They can cost x3, or they can cost YOU to sell, or something like this. I also had idea that golden jokers cant be poly, colorblind, etk
  8. Rental stake, huh. You can have only 1 rental/golden joker. 5/last joker slot must be golden/rental if you wanna use it.
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Any ideas?

fleet locust
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they activate after 5 turns

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This mod becoming dlc...

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lol

elder onyx
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They don’t need to map to base stakes, just come up with new ideas, they can be their own progression path entirely

fleet locust
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hmm yeah

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But i totally think score must be the same (i mean 2 and 5 stakes)

elder onyx
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I mean there should probably be some ante scaling in there somewhere but it doesn’t have to be in those positions and it doesn’t have to be a single effect, it can come in with another effect too

fleet locust
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Random stake ideas

Each roll after first reduces chanses to uncommon/rare jokers

Most played hand gain less score from planet (lets say something about 30%)

Instead of +score ante, all planets and hands give less

Harsher blinds (New blind challenges)

+dollars at start, but you must buy joker slots, taro slots

elder fiber
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i might have a look at a different stake path then

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thats quite a neat idea i reckon

plain lintel
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Yh I like the idea of a different stake path

elder onyx
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It also looks great when using galdur 😉

fleet locust
fleet locust
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this is neat

elder fiber
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shameless plug

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tbh ive been super busy w a lot of things recently

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in fact i head off to uni in a week :0

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but ill get stuff out when i can

fleet locust
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Mod good even now

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We dont pay you, so you dont must work all the day

elder onyx
# fleet locust this is neat

But imagine not using unlock all and having white stake then a load of locked chips then a new chip and a load of locked chips underneath!

fleet locust
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Yeaah..

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Seems you tweaked negative chances for everything?

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So many negatives

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after i updated

plain lintel
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@elder fiber game crashed after i won

elder fiber
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not a ceres error

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outdated steamodded or mods i believe

plain lintel
elder fiber
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youll still wanna make sure everythings up to date

plain lintel
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alrighty

amber stirrup
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Buying overflow did nothing for me, still 2 booster packs every shop. I also have bunco installed which I know has pretty much the same voucher (+1 pack slot). I havent bought it this game but maybe there could be some interferance so overflow doesnt activate correctly when running both at the same time?

elder fiber
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ah my bad

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i made it compatible with cryptid but fully forgot about other mods

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ill get that done soon

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sorry

lost hornet
elder fiber
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yes?

amber stirrup
vague mason
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What I've learned is the number of people who can't read pseudocode is higher than I thought

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Not that that's a bad thing

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Just interesting

elder fiber
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i can understand not getting it

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but theres been some people confused thinking its a bug

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as if my actual code has made its way into the description

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which i feel like even if you had no idea about anything code related

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surely you still wouldnt think thats somehow happened

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idk

lost hornet
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So this is intentional

uncut nebula
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If the dev didnt went "Wtf?????" then you can assume so

elder fiber
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yes sorry it is

red surge
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Could a compat be added so the green seal is a different color if Cryptid is installed?

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This is mostly because of cards mentioning "green seal" and less that I cant tell the difference between Cryptid's lime green seal and this mod's dark green seal.

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I wanna keep that seal on, obviously I can disable the seal and not have that issue but I'd prefer to have it's functionality if possible.

thick prism
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oops wrong mod

elder fiber
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got a bunch of stuff planned for an upcoming update so itll prolly come out then

frozen flicker
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heya, really like playing with this mod :D. I did notice that the overflow voucher doesn't work (and also the decks using this voucher). I assume this is because i also use bunco, which has another voucher that gives +1 booster pack in shop? is there any way to fix this?

frozen flicker
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oh awesome!

elder onyx
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@elder fiber for reference, here's my booster limit patch that shouldn't get nuked by any other mod patches

[[patches]]
[patches.pattern]
target = 'game.lua'
pattern = '''G.GAME.current_round.used_packs = G.GAME.current_round.used_packs or {}'''
position = 'before'
match_indent = true
payload = '''if i == 1 and G.GAME.modifiers.ortalab_boosters then for _ = 1, G.GAME.modifiers.ortalab_boosters do Ortalab.spawn_booster() end end'''
plain lintel
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got this crazy perkeo canio run

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line up was: blueprint, canio, fisherman, perkeo, burglar, canio, brainstorm, double down, bull

fleet locust
austere scaffold
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Best Rare Joker in the world

plain lintel
plain lintel
fleet locust
austere scaffold
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Its part of the fun

amber stirrup
# elder fiber but theres been some people confused thinking its a bug

To be fair, everything tech related CAN go wild in "every way imaginable", so it often does 😅 I mean the merchant is kinda clear that it is intended since the box text with code is so neat, but maybe having anything in the name mentioning code could be an option to make it clearer as well if you wanted to. Traveling coding merchant doesn't exactly roll of the tongue though lul

plain lintel
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You could just have on the bottom in gray text "(yes this is supposed to look like this)"

noble storm
fleet locust
uncut nebula
elder fiber
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might need to tweak the colours on the metal one a bit

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to make it stand out against steel cards a bit more

fleet locust
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Cobalt moment

devout tundra
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possibly stupid question. is 'puzzled' part of this mod

elder fiber
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nope

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not actually sure where thats from

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but not here

devout tundra
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thanks, trying to figure out where it's from lol. not listed as an edition/enhancement/sticker

elder fiber
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what mods have you got installed?

devout tundra
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i'm suspecting it's from paperback its the only other content mod i have that doesn't explicitly say jokers only

elder fiber
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have you got cruel blinds?

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or cryptid?

devout tundra
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oh, it might be cruel blinds

elder fiber
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i think thats it

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i remember using those 2 mods and seeing it

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its from a blind iirc

devout tundra
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ahhh that would be it, thanks!

elder fiber
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nws

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glad i could help

devout tundra
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love the mod btw.

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the useless jokers in particular

elder fiber
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thank you lol

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got some more stuff in the works

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trying to add more stuff thats not jokers this time round

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like consumables/enhancements etc

devout tundra
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amazing, excited for it. a refreshing change from crash% speedrun gameplay with cryptid hahaha

elder fiber
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i feel you lol

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my pc is coming up to 8 years old 😭

devout tundra
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relatable. i'm still hoarding an ancient 2009 msi

elder fiber
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thats older than my younger sibling

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damn

elder fiber
elder fiber
frail bolt
fleet locust
amber stirrup
# elder fiber

That seems quite powerful no? 😮 Compared to like glass a single trigger is like playing two glass and those MF breaks as well 😠 And with any prob+ like the dice would be wild

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Maybe it could be 1/4 and still good, I don't know I'm bad at all the X mult probs in the runs and understanding easy what configs are more valuable when changing out joker and cards 😄

rugged dust
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i think its actualy quite balanced

amber stirrup
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Yeah I know it's lower in total, but the upside of not breaking is pretty huge imo. It can be hard getting glass going unless you're lucky with a joker than generates new copies or duplicates tarots over and over.

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like when Im getting my first glass it still often takes quite a while before Ive managed to get copies enough to where I dare to even play them 😅 unless having some great joker for it ofc

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But with anything that raises prob like tha vanilla dice this is crazy good at 2/3

rugged dust
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also this is an edition like polychrome and such

amber stirrup
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yeah I know

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it is more rare

rugged dust
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so comparing it to glass when its much rarer wouldnt be fair

amber stirrup
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But like anything card related in balatro you only need to find one to make more

rugged dust
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same stands for glass cards

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hows it so simple for this but so tough for glass cards?

amber stirrup
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isn't this quite a bit stronger than poly as well even at 1/3? I guess when it comes to a bunch of retriggers poly is better because of stacking multiple small X mult is stronger right?

amber stirrup
rugged dust
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if it was 1 in 2 it would be on average as strong as poly

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wait no

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1 in 3 is slightly better than polly on avg

amber stirrup
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If I make a good glass card I'd want at least 3-4 so I can more easily find them to duplicate, and not risk them instantly breaking haha

amber stirrup
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but from what I understand lets say you have red seals and other retriggers, having more guarranteed small mults comes to a point where its stronger than fewer much higher mults etc?

fleet locust
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Quacky card

amber stirrup
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Thats one thing I suck at seeing easily and compare to eachother in game. Like how many x1,5 in a row would be the same as less triggers but with a few x5 at the end and stuff liike that

rugged dust
amber stirrup
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yeah ofc

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thats kinda what makes it hard to guage

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is it *gauge?

plain lintel
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i like that

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def what i look for in mods

fleet locust
green flame
devout tundra
# green flame it is

yeah i suffered from can't read the boss blind. then went looking for it under enhancements/editions/stickers and got confused

green flame
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Yeah it’s just a thing, no category for it

devout tundra
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cruel indeed that it changes even when not played

devout tundra
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red envelope seems crazy strong

devout tundra
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steel stake joker sticker bugged

abstract notch
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Ah yes, ERROR

elder fiber
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ill have a look at this

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mb

red thistle
elder fiber
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providing that gacha feeling ik everyone loves

amber stirrup
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This might be totally unrelated and my game stopped working for whatever other reason, but the first blind after buying the cursed purse the game "froze" for me, I could select/deselect cards but play or discard does nothing and same with jokers, can not sell but select and move around. This was after I backed to menu and resumed, first time entering blind no cards were even drawn to hand to begin with.
I just thought maybe there's a tiny chance that entering a blind with stopwatch debuffed by the purse somehow interacted with the game "ticks" or something since it tracks time passed. But moving the purse around after resuming didn't change anything either

main wedge
amber stirrup
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also "frozen" but can back to menu and resume without problem? Could be something with purse specifically then

plain lintel
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It's not the first time purse has dropped framerate upon buying it

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My theory is that the game is making checks every frame to know which joker is supposed to be debuffed

elder fiber
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yeah im gonna have to look into this again lol

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not my finest work i wont lie

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at the moment it is checking every frame to see which joker should be debuffed

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which i didnt think would cause many issues

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but theres probably a cleaner way to do it

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for now my advice would be dont use it lol

elder fiber
main wedge
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Oh the round just didn't start I had two cursed purses

elder fiber
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ah right

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instead of putting the check in card update

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im gonna put it in card release

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hopefully that should help

plain lintel
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While we are talking about this

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I just wanted to add how much I hate stopwatch

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You just get to win if you have enough patience

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Which I really don't like

amber stirrup
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I think it's fun

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I aint playing balatro to not play so who in their right mind would ever sit for longer than x2-3

elder fiber
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its not really meant for people to wait around for ages just to win

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i had an argument w some people in the mod chat who were complaining that its a free win if you leave it long enough

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but like

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why bother

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if youre gonna exploit stuff then exploit something easier

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that doesnt require you to wait around for a week

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its just supposed to be a fun idea

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and the art is cool cos it moves

alpine sand
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And for both, you can just disable them if you don’t like them

pine stratus
ivory pagoda
#

People do complain about Crustulum

hexed hemlock
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i can sense a massive war erupting about stopwatch with ceres' commubity and i want no part of it

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ive been a fan of this mod since i discovered it but i am not gonna sit around for the stopwatch discourse

frail junco
# elder fiber why bother

yeah like... I don't have the patience to even try to use it, and well... if winning a game of balatro is worth wasting your time to you, then I guess that's balance, lol

alpine sand
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It’s meant to be a funny Joker so imo it’s fine
(Side note: I should add a system for other mods to insert jokers into Cryptid’s Meme Packs, it would work well with some of Ceres’ additions)

plain lintel
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I'd love to disable stopwatch

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@elder fiber please give me the ability to do so

plain lintel
lost hornet
#

Accountant is bugged

amber stirrup
lost hornet
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Okay, there is no +mult or a dollar

amber stirrup
plain lintel
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Having stopwatch makes ever hand played suboptimal

elder fiber
elder fiber
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ive got some more stuff added and some stuff fixed so update very soon hopefully

plain lintel
#

I've seen another suggestion by the same name that goes something along the lines of "+ ×0.1 mult per activated joker, resets every hand played"

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Or "-0.1 xmult per second spent in blind (starts at x3)" if the time mechanic is necessary

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I'm scared of what you're cooking wheelchair

amber stirrup
# plain lintel Having stopwatch makes ever hand played suboptimal

And feeling forced to min/max everything because it's technically possible to the point where you don't even enjoy it yourself is in a way the fault of the player, not developers or game mechanics.

To me this is kinda similar to the argument (completely unrelated to this specifically or mod discussions in general btw) of people saying it's wrong of the dev not implementing a preview of the exact points before a hand would score.
There's been quite a bit of complaining over that over on the steam forums like "it hurts no one and the dev is wrong for not making it an option, because you CAN calculate everything, so I'm going to and I shouldnt need to do that"

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Sorry that was a horrible formatting, tried to make it a bit more readable 😅

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What I'm thinking about is the "gamers can optimize the fun out of anything so they will" which was a big argument for people saying the dev is wrong for not giving the option of score preview and an undo button etc. Which I don't really agree with. Again im not attributing any of that sentiment to your point on the stopwatch, it's just similar to how I feel from the "other perspective" so thats why I thought about it

jaunty atlas
#

TBH I don't think timer mechanics fit Balatro that well, in general. One of the major parts of the game is that you can really go at your own pace - unlike other rouge likes, you don't have to worry about dodging bullets or whatever else, and in the case of Balatro, you're allowed to set how fast the game goes in the options menu. So, it's a little bit jarring when you're suddenly met with a timer mechanic - if the timer is detrimental, it causes a panic that shouldn't be in the game since you might end up with a strategy that takes a lot of thinking - and if it's a positive to wait, you end up feeling like you're always playing suboptimally.

Of course, that's just the base game design, modders are always welcome to do whatever (not that you need my permission), but just that timer mechanics inherently feel flawed when added to the game

main wedge
#

on that note god I hate the clock

elder fiber
elder fiber
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isnt the ticking so cool tho

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the hands move

main wedge
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No the boss blind

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the clock

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from cryptid

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imagine speedrunning your round to try and reduce and mitigate the time you get to play the blind because if you take too long you're fucked

plain lintel
#

So the opposite of this clock

plain lintel
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Rewarding the player for not playing the game is poor game design

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Is that too much of a hot take?

alpine sand
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I gotta agree that it's extremely anti-design, probably one of the most anti-Balatro parts of Cryptid (and Ceres)
But it is fun in its own way, to some

plain lintel
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I agree timer mechanics can be fun

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Just not this one lol

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I like being rewarded for playing fast/being punished for playing slow

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Not the other way around

amber stirrup
#

I can only speak for myself, but I think I'm a very vanilla balance/mechanic kind of person compared to a lot of people. I disable most vouchers, tarots editions from the few mods I have and avoid most mods because I feel they're too impactful and powerful so I wouldn't find the fun in playing. Believe me im not interested in free wins, cheesy cards/jokers and infinite runs past e20. Seeing the watch for the first time, I thought it was cool as hell and got exited.

I mean if someone wants to cheese their run instead of enjoying it that's their own punishment. I don't play with crazy OP mods and mechanics because I wouldnt enjoy that and I dont sit around waiting for the watch just because its "technically" infinite cuz I wouldnt enjoy that. But it's unique and a super cool mechanic

plain lintel
#

Again, is it stupid to not want to be punished by playing the game as I wish?

amber stirrup
plain lintel
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Sometimes I want to play fast, sometimes I want to wait. Why should I be rewarded/punished depending on that

amber stirrup
plain lintel
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And AGAIN, rewarding your players for not playing the game for a while is uber dumb

amber stirrup
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What, do you care about how other people play? Is it unfair to you if someone is boring enough to get crazy runs by waiting around? It's like you're getting annoying the joker gives a benefit that's not deserved

plain lintel
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Do I not get to complain about the mod's balance?

amber stirrup
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Which is why I think it's a wild thing to care about, because you're the only one deciding how you play

alpine sand
plain lintel
alpine sand
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I know Ceres has toggles, is Stopwatch toggleable by itself?

plain lintel
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But OP said they'll add it

alpine sand
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then that should solve everything

amber stirrup
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jesus christ you said you didnt like it and I replied why I do 😄 Why are you implying all this that I dont let you have your opinion or that is dumb

plain lintel
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I'm never implied that

amber stirrup
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I think ive tried to be very clear with my points

plain lintel
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And I'm having a discussion about them

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And why I disagree

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Having a toggle is fine (even if it's sweeping the problem under a rug imo)

amber stirrup
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Great, so why do you reply with "cant I complain about balance"?

plain lintel
amber stirrup
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I thought the topic was interesting

plain lintel
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Idc how other people play

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But I do care about the mods balance

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"Why do you care" isn't an argument

alpine sand
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i think for timer mechanics, there is no one answer
it really depends on how you want to play the game

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you know what is a problem tho?
The Null won't give you X0 Mult if your played hand has no cards

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this mod is completely ruined for me /j

plain lintel
#

Lmao

amber stirrup
# plain lintel Because you said "why do you care about how other people play"???

yes, because "rewarding your players for not playing the game for a while is uber dumb"
That's something you decide for yourself. And if you dont care about how anyone else plays, youre making the experience worse for yourself. I don't think it's a problem with the design of the joker, its not even a powerful one unless you DO decide to ruin your own experience min/maxing and optimizing because you can

amber stirrup
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I didnt want to seem aggressive to you personally, I just disagree with the reasoning

alpine sand
#

the idle game genre would like to have a conversation with you

plain lintel
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This joker is the idle game of balatro

amber stirrup
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believe me I've been in quite a few idle blackholes 😄

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So thinking of the joker as an "idle" but that you still wont sit around for more than a minute, isnt it a cool design in a way?

plain lintel
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I hate idle games so I hate this joker too

plain lintel
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I dont want to feel like I can get myself out of a bad position by just waiting

amber stirrup
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well thats up to you, I'm not gonna wait around for X mult because I'm at a losing hand. If I didnt have it Id lose anyways and its on to the next game

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for me just playing casually its a below x2, so that how I see it and just enjoy the mechanic

plain lintel
amber stirrup
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Great so wait until 1.5 then. Or think "I couldve had any other x3 joker now so I'll allow myself to play it as a x3"

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the one deciding if its cheating or not is you, thats my point, rather than how it works in my opinion

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and again no im not saying your wrong or cant have an opinion or complain

plain lintel
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I dont want to be allowed to cheat

amber stirrup
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thats not good news for your mod folder

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out of everything you've got active, is this joker where you draw the line just because you CAN wait? I don't know we wont agree I guess

plain lintel
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There's no other mod that adds this much anti design

elder fiber
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ill make it functional

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i dont know of any actual way to play a hand with no cards

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||apparently myst said its possible in lob corp||

alpine sand
plain lintel
amber stirrup
alpine sand
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@elder fiber you should be able to add items to Cryptid's Meme Packs now
just add their keys to the Cryptid.memepack list (eg. "j_cry_jimball")

elder fiber
elder fiber
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lemme know if theres a way i can improve that text

elder fiber
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okay so theres stuff i have functional and want to get out soon

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but i havent got any art done for it

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and im not really able to do any art atm

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which sucks

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so

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would you guys rather i have stuff released that doesnt have art

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or wait until ive got art done (eta: no clue)

charred mantle
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you could probably just make a quick mockup of the art as a placeholder

elder fiber
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thats not a bad idea actually

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looks like i fell victim to the black and white fallacy

plush leaf
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is very cool

thin nest
elder fiber
elder fiber
elder fiber
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cool

harsh ibex
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morefluff's art is basically a placeholder (i suck at art)

elder fiber
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i do wanna get more stuff out sooner rather than later

plush leaf
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your jokers are cool but i' dlike to report a bug

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i havent been able to recreate it

elder fiber
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art is way too hard

plush leaf
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but sometimes your jokers just

elder fiber
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please do

plush leaf
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ignore joker slots by 1

uncut nebula
plush leaf
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like i have 5/5 jokers and it lets me buy a 6th joker, only with select ceres jokers

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and it goes to 6/5

elder fiber
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hm

plush leaf
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if i see it again i will record

elder fiber
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ill see if i can figure that out

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thanks

plush leaf
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also the ceres joker keeps making me think its a planet 😭 anyway your stuff is super cool

elder fiber
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sorry about that lol

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if its a serious problem i can do smth to fix it

plush leaf
elder fiber
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think i figured out why accountant isnt working

#
if #context.full_hand == end_of_round then```
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i dont even know how i managed this

frozen flicker
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you could also use AI generated stuff for temporary/placeholder art?

main wedge
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ai art bad

harsh ibex
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use bad ms paint drawings as god intended

amber stirrup
# elder fiber or wait until ive got art done (eta: no clue)

Any art is better than no art so I would not follow every update for new blank jokers, even with a name on a card we all see and remember cards 95% from the art and not what it's called. So Id say if something takes more time but has bad art, that's better. If it takes even more time but is a well implemented and good looking joker from the start I'd say thats the best. The care and quality of mods is what makes me follow the progress more actively

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Bad/early art is fine, no art/a bunch of jimbos in the collection is a no personally

main wedge
thin nest
abstract notch
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Really?

main wedge
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One of the main reasons

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like

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other then the code issues and James not working on it consistently

alpine sand
plain lintel
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Ai bad

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I remember seeing this one suggestion that had ai art, it wasnt even that bad of a suggestion, but everyone instantly spotted it and Nope!d it

fleet locust
frail bolt
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i dont think we need to get into this debate again

main wedge
elder fiber
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no ai art thats for sure

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i think ill try get some rough mockups done

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tbh i havent attempted any art on my laptop but im sure it shouldnt be too much of a hassle

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ill just need to find some software for it

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as what i usually use is windows only

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what do other people use?

frail junco
elder fiber
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🤨

frail junco
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Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them and they're not always too pretty to other folk :p

elder fiber
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what a statement lol

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absolute truth tho

elder fiber
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thinking for the ex and gx planet cards, making a voucher that gives a chance for regular planets to turn into them??

frail bolt
raven topaz
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You're free to use the edits I made for reverse Tarots if you want. I also made reverse Planets and reverse Spectrals.

amber stirrup
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Is this supposed to not activate blue seal?

plush leaf
amber stirrup
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of course, would be hard otherwise

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seems to be only triggers during scoring, not gold/blue seal

plush leaf
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those trigger at the end of the round, not in hand when a hand is played

amber stirrup
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I think most other and vanilla jokers where "held in hand" is mentioned they affect gold and seal as well so it's easy to assume that. Maybe it would be too long to add "..during scoring twice, if played.."

elder fiber
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my bad ill fix that in the coming update

elder fiber
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nvm i actually cant make that work

plush leaf
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the way it is written it looks like it shouldn't trigger on end of round effects

elder fiber
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honestly i cant really remember my original intentions

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the fact that it triggers when you play a pair does make it seem like it shouldnt work at the end of the round

plush leaf
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@elder fiber your mod breaks splash

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like the vanilla joker

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the cards raise up like they should score, but they are not scored

lost hornet
lost hornet
fleet locust
#

Hi

elder fiber
# elder fiber
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uh

victor_answer_votes

10

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18

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

release stuff soon as

victor_answer_emoji_id

1139524811421405224

victor_answer_emoji_name

balatrojoker

elder fiber
elder fiber
plush leaf
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please do

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your mod is cool but i need splash

elder fiber
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i think the only time ive ever taken splash is when a negative one shows up

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and for the gold sticker

plush leaf
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i am going to change that

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i will fuse splash with every joker

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-# i've
-# done one fusion so far and the second one is half functional

frail junco
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As someone who only plays 5 card hands, idk how useful even most of the fusions will end up being, lol

elder fiber
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ill be impressed to see this tbh

frail junco
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I wanna like Splash, but there's no use case for me

elder fiber
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theres just no use case

elder fiber
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5 card hands as in

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all 5 cards score

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flush etc

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i think

frail junco
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I mean it's an easy econ hack to waste a hand on

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I think is the point

plush leaf
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if you could take your first hand to destroy 4 cards you'd take the first hand to destroy 4 cards

frail junco
frail junco
plush leaf
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i tried not to make all of them just benefit highcard

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i think you need to branch out to literally any other hand 🙏

plush leaf
elder fiber
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i mean if you play a 5 card hand then

plush leaf
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ahhhh i got you there

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i might make legendary fusions, too

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i'll see how i feel about it

frail junco
plush leaf
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mhm mhm

plain lintel
frail junco
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putting cursed purse next to this guy makes the money constantly shoot up.

plush leaf
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@elder fiber did you fix the splash incompatibility yet

frail junco
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I wasn't moving around the slots or anything

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my money just turned into a blur

plain lintel
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i thought you were deactivating and reactivating that joker

frail junco
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nah, I know that's normal for debuffs

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it was constant

elder fiber
elder fiber
plush leaf
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that's okay

frail junco
elder fiber
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yes sorry

frail junco
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it's okay. Bunco is... like that sometimes

elder fiber
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when i get this next thing out, cursed purse will work way better, but it wont actually debuff the joker

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itll still disable the joker, but it wont be actually debuffed

amber stirrup
# elder fiber my bad ill fix that in the coming update

If it's wonky to implement or if you just wanna keep it strictly as a trigger during scoring and not seals/gold cards I think just having "trigger twice during scoring" would be a direct and clear way for text of the joker. After all held in hand-triggers during scoring and after round are different things so it's cool for a joker to target just that as well instead of the same as pretty much every other retrigger held in hand-jokers which targets both steel during and gold/blue after 👍

amber stirrup
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Oh so that's what a "divine joker" is 🤔

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Definitely reasonable for ante 5

rugged dust
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yeah

amber stirrup
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Just scored my highest ever by about e60 score out of nowhere from getting around 45k per round in the run 😅 kinda meme but I've never seen a divine spectral before after quite a bit of playing so they have to have a tiny drop rate

rugged dust
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reasonable

amber stirrup
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I might need to disable divines for future runs, I mean we're all reasonable people here after all scholar

pine stratus
#

insert cryptid joke here

jagged locust
thin shore
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Is Accountant working as expected?

fleet locust
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No

tawny sandal
#

is there a reverse moon

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and if not it should make a star suit

thin nest
#

@elder fiber Sorry if ye don't wanna be pinged, but I'm curious about this, since this mod looks amazing, but it's quite an issue with this.

frail junco
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I genuinely thought the ceres spectral wasn't implemented yet

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with how many hours of gameplay i went without seeing it

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also yeah I don't think divine jokers are for me, lol

abstract notch
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Not your playstyle mate

frail junco
#

indeed, lol

thin nest
frail junco
thin nest
frail junco
#

does just disabling the perk cards in the config work? Or are you particularly interested in them

thin nest
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I'll see about disabling them, and see if that fixes it.

thin nest
#

Got this after drawing and using a +2 Perk Card.

steep lintel
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and I currently got all my mods disabled but other than the jokers and the one new Spectral for the two Divine jokers nothing much has shown up :0

steep lintel
plain lintel
steep lintel
#

obviously bro, saw the description

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like im supposed to be seeing the reverse tarots and the new blinds but they arent showing up

plain lintel
steep lintel
frail junco
#

They aren't in the game atm I think

snow ruin
#

When I have Ceres installed it makes it so my jokers dont work anymore. They don't trigger Mult or Chips they just sit there.

jagged locust
#

Is yumeko based on the deck, or is it like ancient joker but with higher xmult?

plain lintel
jagged locust
#

oh

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keeping the gambling spirit alive, I see

plush leaf
#

@elder fiber did you fix splash yet

balmy basin
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For some reason, Overflow and Overflow Plus aren't working for me

plain lintel
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@elder fiber for some reason, accountant isnt working

thin shore
thin shore
thin shore
balmy basin
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After these changes, they're working

thin shore
#

yeah, bunco, cryptid, and ceres all try to do the same basic thing and bunco seemed to win out

balmy basin
#

tbf I'm not running cryptid, but still true

peak spindle
#

Chainsaw Devil should be reworded to small and big blind

plain lintel
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Its literally a worse golden joker on anything outside ehite stake

peak spindle
#

wasn't discussing balancing I was just pointing out a discrepancy

plain lintel
hasty socket
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cursed purse might be broken

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just a thought

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it just loops giving +1 joker slot

plain lintel
#

Cursed purse strikes again!

plain lintel
#

When is development gonna continue

fleet locust
#

Deadmod XD

hexed hemlock
#

or, and maybe this is a foreign concept to you, the devs are doing their own things IRL and can't focus 24/7 on making this silly card game mod

thin nest
#

Blud's mind (he cannot comprehend that people have real lives and can only think of Balatro):

hexed hemlock
#

just immediately blocked em as soon as they replied they're one of Those people eugh

balmy basin
#

XD in the year of our lord 2024

hexed hemlock
#

well, if it means anything, i am willing to wait however long it takes for development to continue, nothing but crazy good stuff in this pack
(and i'm not just saying that because of potential future denji joker)

elder fiber
#

hey everyone im so sorry about vanishing off the face of the earth, ive been having some difficult stuff going on in my life, but i feel like im ready to keep working on this mod now. first step is going to be try fix and bugs in the current mod and get it working with most recent version of steamodded, and then ill continue to add new stuff

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i imagine a lot of stuff is broken lol so im gonna try get that all fixed first

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hoping it wont take too long

#

very glad to able to work on this again, and sorry to everyone who was following along with this mod

elder fiber
plain lintel
wild cloak
#

sorry to bother. just curios waht this is about. i assume its this mod simply because when i used exploit it crashes. but i could be wrong.

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or not necessarily the mod but one of the bajillion mods messing with it

elder fiber
#

ill have a look into this sorry

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mightve figured it out

plain lintel
#

@elder fiber when are new jokers getting added :3

elder fiber
#

good question lol

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i haven't got as much free time as id like to have to spend on the mod sadly

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atm ive got everything fixed other than cursed purse 😭

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but general bug fixes are dropping super soon i promise

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and then ill get into adding more stuff

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so soon is all i can say really

plain lintel
#

Nice

acoustic jolt
#

How to auto unlock contentf rom this mod in collection?

plain lintel
lilac pendant
#

.

faint nova
#

take as much time as needed, king.

vapid ice
#

how much does this scale to, if there is a limit?

thin nest
plain lintel
#

I have a very intense hatred for that joker

frail bolt
#

for it to be decent you need to wait for almost 2 minutes???? no one is doing that

twilit rivet
#

Which is why it's an uncommon instead of like, a rare or legendary lol

#

It's more of a meme joker anyways

#

They just wanted to make a joker with a moving clock

thin nest
#

Again, why it's in the Meme Joker section, as not only is it an infinite, it's a PAINFULLY slow infinite, even more so than Crusty Clicking.

thin kindle
#

Is there a issue with the Overflow voucher that adds +1 booster slot in the item shop

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it never adds another booster pack for me

hexed hemlock
#

i miss you ceres... maybe one day some other mod will have the denji joker

plain lintel
#

This mods fun

wise moat
#

does this mod still works?

abstract notch
#

Nah

plain lintel
#

This mod is so peak, please bring it back

plush leaf
#

this mod broke splash that one time

wise moat
#

oh ceres.. save us..