Ceres - Balatro Content

[elder fiber]

ill need to play around with a bit

[vague mason]

Well

[elder fiber]

do i have to do anything?

[vague mason]

that's what that one deck that says Create two copies of The Fool does

[elder fiber]

yeah that sounds nicer than create a the fool

or create two the fools

[warped robin]

no, it should work out-of-the-box

[elder fiber]

awesome

[vague mason]

since I don't think there's literally any other effect in the game that generates a specific card (rather that a card category like Tarot, Planet, Spectral...)

[warped robin]

you can [check this message](#1262697083438235729 message) to find a link to its github

[fleet locust]

Why copy?

[elder fiber]

aurinko is the one with editions on planets right?

[warped robin]

yes

[elder fiber]

i think ive got it downloaded but ill make sure to update

[elder fiber]

not that i know of

[fleet locust]

I think because there is two, not one

2 = copies of each other

[vague mason]

Then local would have written it as "Create two The Fools"

[elder fiber]

not quite

[warped robin]

aurinko works by applying edition effects if the instigating card (the card that juices up during the leveling process) has an edition

[elder fiber]

what does it apply the effects to then?

[warped robin]

the hand it's leveling

[elder fiber]

oh awesome

[fleet locust]

Sad

[vague mason]

(also, as an aside, a "copy" in trading card terminology generally refers to an instance of a card.
I have four copies of Lightning Bolt in my deck. It does not mean that the four are copies of another card named Lightning Bolt, it's just what the lingo is)

[elder fiber]

egg the english teacher

[fleet locust]

Thanks mom <3

Anyway

Why common?

[plain lintel]

ive found the problem

[fleet locust]

isnt it... too powerful with x2 money?

[elder fiber]

because you spend all your hands to spawn 1

[fleet locust]

a

[elder fiber]

what was it?

[fleet locust]

i forgot

yeah

[vague mason]

Isn't that still pretty good eco wise?

[elder fiber]

yeah now that i think about it

[plain lintel]

for some reason my antivirus is going crazy and not letting me place the versin.dll file into my balatro local files

[elder fiber]

oh yeah thats a common error

or issue

[vague mason]

it scales WAY faster than interest could ever

[elder fiber]

i shouldve mentioned mb

[fleet locust]

I think i should just test it

So i can say good it or bad

[vague mason]

By all means

[elder fiber]

i like the idea of it spawning a fool tho, so ill just have to tweak the conditions

[vague mason]

Just tweak the rarity, I think

[elder fiber]

uncommon?

[fleet locust]

YEAAAH

[vague mason]

It being Common is a bit much for most
Uncommon sounds good

[plain lintel]

def no a rare

[fleet locust]

It SHOULD be at least uncommon

[vague mason]

It then becomes a conditional Cartomancer

[fleet locust]

In compare to this

[elder fiber]

ill make it uncommon then yeah

[fleet locust]

Its way more big

[plain lintel]

you do have to sacrifice all your hand econ to get a fool tho

[elder fiber]

dollar store perkeo kinda 💀

[fleet locust]

i think its should be rare

also

you need more rare cards

[vague mason]

I disagree that it should be rare, it doesn't feel that impactful

unless you have some modded Tarot card that gives you X2 mult or something

[fleet locust]

Lets math...

[elder fiber]

when compared to other rares its just not as good

[vague mason]

Observatory but Tarot

otherwise, with basic Tarots, I think Uncommon is a good place for it

[fleet locust]

Are you sure?

[elder fiber]

for sure

[fleet locust]

Its like perkeo with a twist

Lose all hands

[vague mason]

And it can't copy Spectrals

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber ITS WORKING ITS WORKING ITS WORKING

[elder fiber]

yeah perkeo is still way better

ayyy

nice

[vague mason]

Well

we don't need to math

[fleet locust]

Yeah, but how can you copy spectrals not on spectral? We have voucher buuut

[vague mason]

we should just see what the most powerful play patterns are

[elder fiber]

because fool doesnt copy spectrals

[vague mason]

there's two that comes to mind

you can either spam Hermit to double your money

[fleet locust]

You need to get voucher first

[vague mason]

spam Temperance to gain resale value

[fleet locust]

Without mod voucher you can only on spectral (most of time)

[vague mason]

so the Eco side

[fleet locust]

Also you can flushmaxx

or anymaxx

[elder fiber]

eco goes crazy yeah

[vague mason]

or you can spam Justice or the one that makes Steel cards

[plain lintel]

if dumb joker becomes a balacing problem i suppose adding a 1/2 chance to it could make it less good

[elder fiber]

thats not a terrible idea actually

[vague mason]

giving a lot of X Mult

[fleet locust]

Hmm

We have two ways

[elder fiber]

high card

[fleet locust]

make it rare

[plain lintel]

which would still be in theme since you would be the fool for wasting all your hands and not getting anything

[fleet locust]

make it random

[elder fiber]

yoo

such a good idea

[plain lintel]

get a fool, or be the fool

[vague mason]

however, the latter is "balanced" insofar as it's not consistent, it needs time

the eco on the other hand

yeah that's still pretty monstrous

[elder fiber]

money go brrrr

[vague mason]

25$ per round is

is actually absurd

[elder fiber]

why stop at 25

[vague mason]

Yeah no I'm starting to think it shouldn't be uncommon nor rare

[elder fiber]

we going all the way

[vague mason]

I think it should be tweaked, that sounds broken

[elder fiber]

i think the probability idea is cool

maybe not 1 in 2 cos dice

[plain lintel]

imma find all these jokers naturally

[vague mason]

For Perkeo it's fine because he's Legendary

[elder fiber]

good luck finding these 🙏

[vague mason]

it's kinda his thing

but for everything else that's pretty nuts

[plain lintel]

btw does the mod get updated automatically? or do i have to redownload every time

[elder fiber]

youve gotta redownload

[vague mason]

It's redownload

[plain lintel]

damn.

[elder fiber]

message is now pinned tho thanks to the goat

[vague mason]

I do NOT want to think about what we, as the mod team, would have to do

[fleet locust]

5 good rare jokers
4 bad/situative rare jokers

8 good uncommon jokers
2 mostly bad jokers
1 stopwatch joker (Nah)

2 good normal jokers
3 situative normal jokers
2 bad normal jokers

[vague mason]

if you ever set up a cdn

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber can you ping on next update

[vague mason]

I think we would cry

[elder fiber]

sure

[vague mason]

as much as the github people would

[elder fiber]

idek how you would go about doing that

[fleet locust]

I hope you can see the problem

[elder fiber]

my brain cant comprehend

[plain lintel]

got one

[elder fiber]

ay

i like that one quite a lot

[vague mason]

Sorry what

[elder fiber]

im proud of the art

[vague mason]

well

it's Rare

[plain lintel]

baron be barring

[vague mason]

I'm not so sure how I feel about double retrigger

[fleet locust]

Devil trigger

[vague mason]

but hey
Rare, I guess

[elder fiber]

well compared to mime

its rare

[fleet locust]

Wait

[elder fiber]

conditional

[fleet locust]

Isnt it too good for two pairs?

[elder fiber]

and if youre using steel its one less card to hold in hand

[vague mason]

True

[fleet locust]

This joker so fucking fun

I love it

Perkeo but fun

[elder fiber]

quite proud of him too

its a shame how similar he is to perkeo tho

[fleet locust]

I think perkeo should be like him

Yeah-yeah less gamebreaking potential

but more fun

[plain lintel]

are there no new tags?

[elder fiber]

not yet

thats something ill get round to

[fleet locust]

no bitches?

[elder fiber]

wth?

unnecessary smoke

[plain lintel]

im actually dating so fuck you

[elder fiber]

ceres thread getting heated

[fleet locust]

heat ghost

[fleet locust]

if you dont understand this is meme

so what about decks?

you wanted delete sneaky

[elder fiber]

oh yeah oops

[fleet locust]

Hmm

what about joker that interact with defective tag?

[elder fiber]

would be way too situational

[fleet locust]

I mean

Not by stake

But by itself

Like creating it on other joker

Nobody messed up with stickers before, except for removing/gaining eternal

[elder fiber]

maybe

idk why youd want to add defective tho

and also i need to rework defective because the idea is awful

[fleet locust]

Not awful, but 1/3 kinda small chanse

anyway

now i am trying to figure out what to do with colorblind

II was thinking that it would increase all the values not related to chips and mults, but there are not many such jokers except for economic

[hexed hemlock]

hey i just recently installed this mod and i'd like to shout out the CSM representation with makima and power
but can you plzplzplzplzplz make a denji joker 🙏
i will literally pay you $10 /j

[fleet locust]

Barking joker

[elder fiber]

i am definitely going to get round to it

i wanna do a bunch more

[fleet locust]

-1 to mult per used heart, ahah

[elder fiber]

but ive been busy w so many diff ideas

glad you like them

[hexed hemlock]

i did have a denji joker idea inspired by a friend of mine who is a CSMhead
but it ended up being what power's ability is lol

i do think if there is a denji joker it should have an ability that's stronger when you also have makima lol

[fleet locust]

So

He must be WORTHLESS

[elder fiber]

ill have to see what i can do

[elder fiber]

makima is a super rare joker however

but maybe thats even more incentive for the idea

[fleet locust]

make not divine vers of Makima?

[elder fiber]

she needs to be divine tho

[fleet locust]

What about if Makima will move joker around and pin them to random position? But they/player will gain power/money for it

Money power isaac moment

[hexed hemlock]

if denji is added any time soon i would like to request someone in here ping me so i can update
that is all, have a good day :)

[plain lintel]

got my first win

[elder fiber]

will do

[elder fiber]

good job

any thoughts so far?

[plain lintel]

stuff feels pretty cool!

[elder fiber]

awesome

[plain lintel]

also

i got the voucher but didnt see even a singular joker with the new editions

weird

[elder fiber]

they are on the rarer side

ones a bit rarer than holo

and the other is about poly

[plain lintel]

wait

why does it say there are 3 edtitions with boosted odds but only 2 show up on the collection menu?

[elder fiber]

so i removed one and forgot to remove it from the voucher description 💀

[plain lintel]

oh

which one

[elder fiber]

sneaky

it was a bit pointless

it stopped cards being debuffed

but not as useful as you would think

[plain lintel]

i got my suggestion!

[elder fiber]

such a simple but nice idea

[plain lintel]

blacksmith seems super op

[elder fiber]

i dont think its too crazy

theres only 12 planets

and 9 none hidden ones

so chances of you getting a planet for a hand you want is pretty common

esp if you hold onto 2 to block dupes

[plain lintel]

what?

[elder fiber]

theres 9 planet cards

not including planet x , ceres, and eris

if you hold onto pluto and mercury for example

then you cant find copies of those

so theres a 1 in 7 chance that any planet card you find is the one you want

if you get a celestial pack w 5 options thats almost a guarantee at that point

you can also reroll the shop until theres a planet card or 2 in the shop

which blocks another 2

or

1

at which point you can literally guarantee the planet you want in a 5 pack

[plain lintel]

fair enough

but i leveled up every hand

[elder fiber]

oh is that what it does

[plain lintel]

so everything i play is stupid good

[elder fiber]

i forgot

💀

[plain lintel]

BRO YOU MADE THE MOD

[elder fiber]

wait yeah thats kinda busted

💀

[plain lintel]

did you get it to work tho

[elder fiber]

yep

[plain lintel]

nice!

[elder fiber]

ill make it most played then i reckon

[plain lintel]

gotta make a deck with that joker

[elder fiber]

the ceres deck

[plain lintel]

negative eternal

[elder fiber]

great idea

i could make it so you can have multiple copies i think lol

[plain lintel]

you should make that an edition imo

maybe a bit too underwhelming

@elder fiber second run.

oh

nevermind

i thought they would be good

[elder fiber]

it didnt spawn jimbo did it?

[plain lintel]

worse

[elder fiber]

did it crash

[plain lintel]

yeah... :(

[elder fiber]

😭

wait

before you restart the run

[elder fiber]

its fine i can fix that

in fact i have

but i dont think its on the github for some reason

lemme push an update rq

[plain lintel]

should i restart

[elder fiber]

not yet

[plain lintel]

alr

like

can i go back into my run

[elder fiber]

nope

[plain lintel]

or should i wait for the update

[elder fiber]

if you download the update i just pushed

it should fix that

then you can take the spectral

i think

[plain lintel]

done

lemme try

[elder fiber]

fingers crossed

[plain lintel]

alr

IT WORKED!!!!!

[elder fiber]

ayy

who'd you get

[elder fiber]

ooo

warning

you may score pretty high

[plain lintel]

i got troubador so nice

[elder fiber]

do you have talisman?

[plain lintel]

no

talisman?

[elder fiber]

okay you might hit naneinf

[plain lintel]

is that a modded one

[elder fiber]

yeah its a mod

it increases the score cap

[plain lintel]

omfg how am i gonna hit naneinf with nothing

[elder fiber]

get yourself a high card build set up and im sure itll climb stupid high

[plain lintel]

nothing even matters anymore it kills everything

[elder fiber]

yeah the divine jokers are pretty busted

[plain lintel]

invisible joker fr

[elder fiber]

oh oops i know why

i forgot to upscale all my textures

cos i play in 1x scale

thats mb ill fix that now

[plain lintel]

honestly

im gonna seel em

i want to see where my current build goes

[elder fiber]

fair enough

[plain lintel]

current set up

maximum youricking

[elder fiber]

hell yeah

4 discards is crazy

just fixed the invisible jokers fyi

[plain lintel]

actually

7 discards

[elder fiber]

i meant +4 mb

[plain lintel]

another one

it crashed my game when i tried to open it

[elder fiber]

oh yeah thats not supposed to be in game

im not sure why its there

[plain lintel]

LMAO

wtf is a tarot joker

[elder fiber]

ill show you one sec

[plain lintel]

i think my run is over

[elder fiber]

ive only fully made 2 so far

so theyre not out yet

and the packs for them def arent lol

[plain lintel]

yh okay

run over

gg

[elder fiber]

rip

[plain lintel]

killed by the unreleased feature

[elder fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216921521197420694/1245766925766758541/DespairDeathing.gif

[plain lintel]

the secret fifth page

[elder fiber]

shhh

no one can know

[plain lintel]

also why is the travelling merchants description like that

[elder fiber]

just thought it would be kinda cool

the code is pretty much the same as the code used for the joker

just simplified a bit

[plain lintel]

also

idk how easy it woud be but

i really want a joker that kinda just lets you spawn anything

yes it would be the most op thing ever

but

sometimes i just want to see big number go boom

[elder fiber]

you could install debug mode plus?

[main wedge]

pointer:

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[elder fiber]

i was tryna find it 😭

where tf is it

[main wedge]

it's cryptid code packs I think?

Or spectral idk

I think it's supposed to be in code packs but it's like the soul

rare ahh hell

[elder fiber]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1228149931257237664

found it

oh

pointer as in the card in cryptid

[main wedge]

yes

[elder fiber]

mb i thought you meant i shouldve send a link to debug plus

[main wedge]

the card that lets you spawn any joker but it's as rare as the soul

[elder fiber]

my brain is not working rn

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber did you not add the disable useless jokers button

i just got solo on wraith

[elder fiber]

not yet 💀

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber wanted poster op

im at 11x

[elder fiber]

it did have legendary as a rarity but that was too good

too bad*

seems i made it too good

[plain lintel]

i think just making it 0.75 would be enough

maybe im just getting lucky with having a bunch of rares show up tho

[elder fiber]

ill try it at 0.75

i thought rares would make it balanced enough but ig not

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber and another one

[elder fiber]

if you update thatll be fixed

its just an issue w me forgetting to upscale all the 1x textures for 2x

[plain lintel]

I GOT THE SOLO AGAIN FROM WRAITH

grrrr

[elder fiber]

if you go into the config file you can change misc.useless_jokers.enabled to false

ill get an actual toggle for it in the config page soon tho

[plain lintel]

nice

what other useless jokers are there besides solo and null

[elder fiber]

thats it for now

but im sure therell be more to come

some more art done

[plain lintel]

which ones that

[elder fiber]

Gains x0.1 Mult for every unique Consumable used (not retroactive). collectors book

[plain lintel]

cool

[elder fiber]

do you think blacksmith would be balanced if it increased after every boss blind?

[plain lintel]

Idk i think it would be too weak then? But at the same time black hole is stupid rare and it does black smiths thing once

[elder fiber]

its essentially a black hole once per ante

[warped robin]

@elder fiber is there a reason why you have your own Xchips+Eoperations instead of using talisman's?

is it just so it's not a required mod?

[elder fiber]

yeah

i didnt want any dependencies

[fleet locust]

It will become useless tho

[elder fiber]

would upgrading most played hand and 1 level per round be a better change then?

[fleet locust]

I think so

[elder fiber]

cool

[elder fiber]

changed blacksmith and updated the art a bit

[fleet locust]

Uh

will it work?

[elder fiber]

it doesnt work on jokers no

[fleet locust]

Will you remove it?

[elder fiber]

from jokers eventually

i dont know how atm

ill figure it out soon

[fleet locust]

Can you make this buyable even with full slots?

[elder fiber]

i guess yeah

[frail junco]

Philisophical joker isn't, but I'm not really sure why

[harsh ibex]

because i didn't add that

that will probably come in the 1.0.0 port

[frail junco]

lol, fair

[elder fiber]

@hexed hemlock id love to get your thoughts on this??

idea behind it is pochita helping denji earn money to payoff the yakuza in the beginning of part 1

[frail junco]

what did hims do before? Seemed to just be misprint basically

[elder fiber]

yeah he just gave random chips mult and money etc

kinda boring idea

idk

[frail junco]

Was kinda fitting to the chaos though

I didn't mind

[elder fiber]

i guess, but i didnt like that the desc didnt give any useful info

[frail junco]

Though... I admit rng jokers like that don't see much use for me

I did use him for most of the run I did earlier last night though

[elder fiber]

if youre not going full gamble are you even playing balatro?

wait he was in the game?

i thought i had him removed 💀

[frail junco]

I know I'm not who you pinged, but I think this is a good joker idea. I do wonder how it handled modified payout amounts though

[frail junco]

he was in the update you pushed before you told me to download it yeah

[fleet locust]

But... How small blinds will payout money?

Nobody playing white stake

[elder fiber]

just pinged her because she mentioned smth about the csm jokers lol

[elder fiber]

ah that explains it

i literally only play white stake

[frail junco]

I think... a lot of people play modded on white stake

I know I do

[elder fiber]

ive got c++ so i dont feel the need for anything harder

i just like to have fun

[frail junco]

I read that has the programming language, lol

[elder fiber]

nah the achievement lol

[frail junco]

tho I may have been hitting the Penjamin

[frail junco]

yeah I got that

[elder fiber]

i had c++ in my name on this server for a while and that was probably confusing

ay penjamin lets go

[frail junco]

Sounds like a good joker name: "Penjamin Benjamin"

What he would do I don't know

[elder fiber]

penjamin benjamin, cards drawn face down but

some good bonus

food jokers lose value 2x as fast 💀

[frail junco]

start: discard from the right a couple times, decreasing in amount discarded, and hope for a spade flush

[frail junco]

hehe

[elder fiber]

just pray lol

[frail junco]

the real answer is high card brainrot, but that's booring

[elder fiber]

high card something is genius lol

unlocks higher card or smth

[frail junco]

tbh... I don't think anyone's actually made a joker literally called High Card Brainrot

[elder fiber]

that surprises me tbh

[frail junco]

me too ngl

[plain lintel]

What about Ceres themed packs? Packs that can only include Ceres content?

[elder fiber]

thats a pretty good idea

i was planning on having consumable ex and gx packs, and also some packs for the tarot jokers

but ceres packs sounds cool

[plain lintel]

theyre not mutually exclusive

[abstract notch]

And Ceres the spectral get to spawn in them randomly like the soul

[elder fiber]

sorry i didnt mean i was only gonna pick 1 or the other, ill def do both

[elder fiber]

fire idea

[raven topaz]

So if there's EX and GX cards, will there also be FX cards?

[elder fiber]

sadly not lol

i took ex and gx from pokemon

[raven topaz]

Oh well. I'm sure someone'll do it.

[hexed hemlock]

I'm fine with it I guess
idk it just doesn't feel. right to me
but maybe that's because the Joker card doesn't actually feature Denji lol

[elder fiber]

denji joker will be better for sure

[hexed hemlock]

but like
if you're just askin my opinion on this joker specifically without any relation to the Mythical Future Denji Joker (/lh) i do like it and the ability reference!

[elder fiber]

cool

i do need to think of what i want the denji joker to do actually

no idea so far

im adding some tarot themed jokers that you can press a button to flip and change their ability

so maybe a denji joker than can be transformed into chainsaw man form (idk what its called lol) would be cool

[harsh ibex]

i'm pretty sure there was a joker in fusion jokers that flipped upside down

[fleet locust]

JoJoker

[harsh ibex]

you could probably ask them if you could use the code for the animation

[elder fiber]

this is a bit of an old video

it juices up and looks a lot better now

[alpine sand]

Or you can reference what we did for Flash Card in Aura

[elder fiber]

does it flip upside down then?

[hexed hemlock]

ok so here's an idea from that
maybe denji joker gives you flat mult but after a certain amount of discarded or destroyed heart cards you're able to temporarily flip it into chainsaw man joker which gives you xmult

and like. every time you retrigger chainsaw man joker the flat mult and xmult increase by like
5 and .5 respectively

so you start at 5 mult and 1.5x
and then when you go back to denji joker it's 10 mult and when it flips it's 2x

[alpine sand]

No

It flips left-to-right like what other animations use

[hexed hemlock]

Denji
+5 mult
After 20 heart cards are discarded, flips to other side and gains +5 mult on this side (20)

Chainsaw Man
x1.5 mult
After 5 turns, returns to other side and gains x0.5 mult on this side (5)

the discard amount and xmult/flat mult gained aren't like locked in but this is my rough idea

[elder fiber]

ah ill think ill stick with what ive got atm then

its not what it looks like in the video lol

i acc made it look nice after

[elder fiber]

could def do smth w this

[hexed hemlock]

alright sick!

[plain lintel]

We need estrogen joker

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-estrogen-gif-12757421495138386956

Also

Please make a tarot card that reduces rank

[hexed hemlock]

Estrogen

All Kings and Jacks in played hand become Queens

[elder fiber]

i was actually thinking of a joker that makes jacks count as all face cards and all suits

but i could adapt the idea lol

[elder fiber]

i was making reversed tarots, and reversed strength did that

but i dropped the idea because i didnt really know what to do for most of the others

but ill see

[plain lintel]

Lemme give it a try

[elder fiber]

you wanna try make it?

[plain lintel]

No like

Design them

[elder fiber]

oh alright

if you can come up w ideas for them id be more than happy to make them

[fleet locust]

Hmmm

[elder fiber]

there we go

thatll make keeping track of any suggestions easier

[abstract notch]

Pog

Google Forms

[elder fiber]

thats probably a good way to do it right?

i wouldnt know any better ways

[abstract notch]

I mean it works

And it can output to Google sheets

[elder fiber]

idk what that is lol but its probably handy

itll just be good to have them in 1 place

[abstract notch]

Google sheets >> Office Excel

[elder fiber]

cool

[plain lintel]

Reverse fool - gives you a random reverse tarot
Reverse magician - turn up to 2 card into unlucky cards ( +10 mult and +1$ when triggered, 1/4 chance to give -20 mult, 1/10 chance to set your money to 0
Reverse high priestess - remove up to 2 levels of 2 random hands, upgrades most played hand by levels removed
Reverse Emperor - turn up to 2 tarot cards held in consumable slots into their Reverse versions
Reverse heirophant - turn up to 2 cards into minus cards (idk what a minus card would do tho)
Reverse Lovers - turn 1 card into a blank card
Reverse chariot - turn 1 card into a platinum card (x1.25 mult when triggered)
Reverse Justice - turn 1 card into a Brick card?? Idk
Reverse hermit - -20$, a random joker gains a random edition
Reverse WoF - removes all enhancements and stickers from a random joker (that has edition/sticker)
Reverse strength - decrease rank of up to 2 cards by 1
Reversed hanged man - add 2 random cards with random enhancements and editions
Reverse death - actually don't know
Reverse temperance - +20$. -3€ for every joker you have
Reverse Devil - turn 1 card into a titanium card (2$ when discarded)
Reverse tower - turn 1 card into an earth (idk what to call it)card (+15 mult, no rank or suit)
Reverse star/moon/sun/world - destroy up to 3 cards with the (suit) suit
Reverse Judgement - destroy the leftmost joker and obtain triple its sell value
@elder fiber

[elder fiber]

^^ 😭

its fine tho lol ill just put these in my to do

[plain lintel]

At least read it first

[elder fiber]

i will i just meant i made a google forms thing just now for suggestions

[abstract notch]

Yeah maybe just put a sheet for ppl to fill out

[elder fiber]

lemme look into google sheets rq

[elder fiber]

these ideas look pretty good tho

i def wanted to add some enhancements so im excited for that

i got no idea how google sheets works wtf

[abstract notch]

Hmm

Never worked with excel huh

[elder fiber]

like twice back in school lol

so uh

is there an example i can copy from somewhere lol

[abstract notch]

Maybe something as simple as this

[elder fiber]

oh its simple as that

nice

the whole list of table options was overwhelming ngl

[abstract notch]

Just close that

[elder fiber]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ha1BxxVvqRTUPbmWzi4GyKKkND6wFwMibhYEVkiuVRU/edit?usp=sharing

does that work>

?

[abstract notch]

You will need to give us access of editing

[elder fiber]

i think i selected that

editor

[abstract notch]

For all people have the link?

[elder fiber]

yea

pretty sure

[abstract notch]

I am on mobile which is kinda finicky

[elder fiber]

added a status column

for when its done

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber there seems to be a bug with the boss blinds

The game keeps telling me there's a boss blind I haven't hovered over but there isnt

[elder fiber]

wdym?

ceres adds 2 blinds

[elder fiber]

so can you only see one?

what does the menu look like tho

[elder fiber]

have you found both of them in game?

[plain lintel]

no

[elder fiber]

that might be why then

lol

[plain lintel]

its not supposed to have the !

[elder fiber]

oh right

id be surprised if that was a ceres issue

i dont think i touch anything like that

maybe a steamodded issue?

ill see if i have it

hm im not really sure

maybe a steamodded issue

[plain lintel]

yh alr

its not that big of a deal

[elder fiber]

just gotta hope it gets fixed relatively soon

[fleet locust]

Advantage jokers?!

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber please change the art for reflection, it looks way too similar to blank voucher

[elder fiber]

will do

[elder fiber]

probably at some point

got a lot to do

[elder fiber]

tbf i got quite lazy with it lol

[plain lintel]

we gotta pin this

[fleet locust]

I know!

Make joker in reflection

Because player is a clown

[elder fiber]

good idea lol

[fleet locust]

What is this?

[elder fiber]

place for suggestions

so i can keep track of them easier

[fleet locust]

I suggest some beer in thursday

[rugged dust]

how r we supose to write big ass suggestions in those small ass cubies

CUBIES

[fleet locust]

CUBIES.

[main wedge]

cubies

[rugged dust]

@fleet locust you did NOT see that

[fleet locust]

Yes jokky

[elder fiber]

colour def needs tweaking lol

that green is horrible

[rugged dust]

how do i write a bigass description in this

[elder fiber]

use as many lines as you want

also if you keep typing it goes past the box

so i gave 2 columns

[main wedge]

text wrap

[elder fiber]

you can just keep typing and itll confine it to the box

trust

[rugged dust]

leme test

no

it just cuts it off

it lets me type it

[main wedge]

It should work now

🙂

[rugged dust]

but it gets cutoff

[main wedge]

try again rq?

I did some basic editing stuff to the sheet

[elder fiber]

thank you 🙏

i got no clue what im doing lmao

[main wedge]

oh it's on sheet 1

lmao

[rugged dust]

nop

[main wedge]

check sheet 1

[elder fiber]

if you put something in the suggested by column itll work

i think

[rugged dust]

yep it works

[main wedge]

I just fixed sheet 1 rq lemme make it look nice

[elder fiber]

how do i get there 💀

woah

the goat <3

btw familiar is so good that i made a joker called jester

hope you dont mind

ill remove him if you want

well idea wasnt acc mine

[main wedge]

ortalab jester

[rugged dust]

can we have a uhhh

extra tab thingy for extra info?

in i2

[main wedge]

F2 should do it

[fleet locust]

Bad reversed taro ideas

Reversed fool - spawn last spectral card used
Reversed magician - make card unlucky and 2 copy of it. 1/5 to minus 4 mult. 1/20 to - 3 dollars.
Reversed high priestess - decrease (if possible) 2 random hands level. Gain 10 dollars for each (if destroyed).
Empress - -4 mult for 2 cards (must choose 2). +60 chips? (IDK REALLY LOL)
Reversed Emperor - 2 random spectral cards, they have zero cost
Hierophant - I DONT KNOW
Lovers - 3 suitless cards?
Charirot - cobalt card
Justice - make card stone, but also counting as normal (+50 chips for one card, but works with stone jokers)
Hermit - -5 money per free joker slot (20 max), +1 random joker for each five dollars spend
Wheel of fortune - 1/4 to 10 dollars, 1/4 to random uncommon joker, 1/4 to random negative consumable, 1/4 to CRUSH UPON THY (- 10 dollars). So its have 3/4 to good effect, 1/4 to bad

[rugged dust]

sry accidentaly reset the example tingy mb

[fleet locust]

What do you think?

[elder fiber]

i think some of them got potential

for sure

[fleet locust]

My fav is fortune

What is thinktank?

[main wedge]

Familiar Brainstorm

[fleet locust]

familiar mod kinda unbalanced

also laggy

[main wedge]

i mean we just did a bunch of balance patches

but go off

[fleet locust]

i played familiar last week

[main wedge]

and I did em like yesterday

[fleet locust]

Really?

[rugged dust]

im gonna suggest all the climbing thingies i can think of!

[elder fiber]

oo perk suggestions

ill get to those soon

art concept a good idea for a column?

[fleet locust]

column?

[elder fiber]

on the suggestions sheet

[rugged dust]

nekojoe, would a perk card that makes the next perk card trigger twice be fine?

[main wedge]

Also idk if this is intentional or not

but Familiar and Ceres conflict with the nothings hand I think

or nothings suit

[elder fiber]

i think i could make that work

[elder fiber]

damn

do you know what kinda error it is?

does it acc crash?

ill do some of my own testing and see whats up

[main wedge]

it doesn't crash

it's just like

they both have it

[elder fiber]

oh no way

is it acc called nothings?

ill remove mine dw

they dont really do anything atm

and i dont have any ideas planned so far

[raven topaz]

Well, the game doesn't rename a card when it gains or loses suits with Familiar's methods, but I called them Nothings when I made the edits for them. Presumably we were both using the D&DG naming scheme for that one.

[elder fiber]

yep lol

i used it for my art too 💀

black circles

[raven topaz]

I went with gray like Stone, since Balatro's suits are colored in.

[elder fiber]

i cant help being addicted to gambling deckbuilding roguelikes

[raven topaz]

Speaking of D&DG, lemme add something to the suggestion box...

[elder fiber]

aw hell yeah

oh shit the icon for that suit can be the little diamond looking things

sick idea

[elder fiber]

like the black and red cornered ones

are they just a corner of each suit symbol?

ive never looked close enough

if youve got any ideas for jokers like this id love to hear them too

[raven topaz]

They're a corner of each Suit.

[rugged dust]

temporary blueseal glass 2 of clubs

[elder fiber]

(compact text config option included btw)

what card would that be?

[elder fiber]

thought so

[raven topaz]

I actually modeled the Ace of Hearts/Clubs/Diamonds/Spades in Familiar after the symbol.

[elder fiber]

idk all the cards effects off the top of my head like i do jokers

oh yeah

here we go

[raven topaz]

Nice. Personally, I would've colored 'em like the Balatro versions, but that's probably more aesthetically pleasing.

[elder fiber]

i use high contrast so i feel like that wouldve def been weird

[raven topaz]

True. Maybe just for the low contrast version then?

[elder fiber]

im not sure if i can be bothered to do 2 lol

we'll see

[raven topaz]

Fair enough.

Another D&DG concept I tried applying to Balatro (not through code, since I can't code, but through edits) was negative ranks. I've been told they're not very Enhancement-friendly though.

[elder fiber]

how would they work?

i could give it a go

[neat kraken]

+1 hand size when drawn, gives negative chips

[harsh ibex]

yeah, since enhancements go behind the texture, they'd only show through the gaps where the suits are

[raven topaz]

The gimmick is that they take away Chips instead of giving them, but in exchange they let you play another card per negative-ranked card (kinda like Jen's Almanac's Surreal Cards). They can also be played as their positive counterparts. I think that matches up to how they worked in D&DG pretty well, since those also scored negatively and let you play more cards.

[neat kraken]

also dont forget 0 cards

and the nothings suit

[raven topaz]

I've been working on something special for those, based on the fact that K6T's 0s are also Jokers (y'know, if you ever wondered why I'd been posting Enhanced versions of the Jokers' backgrounds).

[elder fiber]

i mean we could make these into shaders

also im pretty sure if you just make the colour a bit transparent then the bottom layer will show through

[raven topaz]

A shader to swap the suit color and the white? Is that even possible?

[elder fiber]

like glass for example

its see through

yeah

well

yeah

[raven topaz]

Neat. Never thought about that one. Then all that'd need to be changed is the minuses.

[neat kraken]

oh also suit of numbers

(heart of 5s, spade of 3s, etc)

[elder fiber]

i mean you could literally just

remove the background colour from those sprites

then when drawing a card

draw the base/enhancement

draw the colour shader

and then draw the suit sprite over it

that way itd be even simpler

once ive got this suit set up ill try give it a go

im not the best w shaders but i might be able to manage smth

worst comes to worst ill just draw a translucent sprite thats just a block of colour 💀

[raven topaz]

Yeah, if it doesn't work out, you could always use this version.

That should be a good balance, right? Opaque enough to not dilute the color too much but transparent enough to easily see Enhancements?

[elder fiber]

i think so

ill let you know when i get round to it if it needs tweaking

[raven topaz]

Alright cool.

[fleet locust]

Ehm?

[elder fiber]

not a ceres issue

probably

[raven topaz]

I've also done edits for Half, 1, and 11-21 if you want.

[abstract notch]

I want pi and tau

[raven topaz]

Oh, did D&DG add Tau? Eh, I'll probably do it either way. Tau is cool.

[abstract notch]

Nah I was totally joking dw

[elder fiber]

i probably wont add any ranks for the time being

id have to look at some example code because ive never done it before

oops

💀

havent done the face cards yet

the sad thing is that

cards are odd in width

so everything is offset by one

[fleet locust]

Nice car

[elder fiber]

thanks

[raven topaz]

RIP

Also have you considered coloring the rank symbols similarly (or just making it so one's red and the other's black)?

[elder fiber]

i was just gonna leave them black tbh

ill try it w one red one black

[rugged dust]

make em purple

trust

[elder fiber]

but i thought it might look odd idk

lmao

ite

bet

i could make the rank and the box the face cards a red to black gradient maybe?

[rugged dust]

do it

trust

[raven topaz]

That does sound like it'd go hard.

[elder fiber]

not as easy to tell on the numbered cards

but i think thats ite

[raven topaz]

Yee

[elder fiber]

2x easier to see lol

alright lemme chuck this in the game then ill look at negative cards

honestly i feel like we could move all this d&dg to its own seperate mod w the amount of stuff we got going on lol

so the i get that the singular is everything

whats the plural tho?

ah all trades?

[raven topaz]

Yeah. Like the Jack of All Trades.

[elder fiber]

cool

[raven topaz]

Also if we do make a dedicated D&DG mod, perhaps some cues from Trading Cards could be taken to add all those extra-esoteric cards?

[elder fiber]

i have no idea what esoteric means lol

[raven topaz]

Unusual/strange. Y'know, the stuff that isn't ranks of suits.

[elder fiber]

oh right

like the special cards

[raven topaz]

Yee

[elder fiber]

yeye i get you

so dedicated d&dg mod then? 👀

ceres has got enough content that if i removed the perk stuff it wouldnt just crumble lol

[raven topaz]

Maybe. What would it be called?

[elder fiber]

good question lol

[fleet locust]

Wow! They added wild cards

Ehehehe

[elder fiber]

wild cards but you can enhance them

[fleet locust]

What if I the lovers on them?..

[elder fiber]

then theyre double wild?

[fleet locust]

Wild^2?

Square joker gonna love it

[elder fiber]

for sure

[fleet locust]

Hmm

Can you make deck with random joker, but eternal?

Erratic deck so boring

[fleet locust]

Like the soul but any rarity

Eden deck ehehe

[raven topaz]

Funny thing is there used to be a Voucher that basically worked like Eden's Blessing.

In base Balatro, I mean.

Silver Spoon and Heirloom would give you more money on your next run.

[fleet locust]

Nooo(

[raven topaz]

Hmm, well a lot of Balatro mods are named after cards in Balatro, so maybe since this mod would be named after a card in D&DG. Maybe Booster Pack? Or would that be too ambiguous?

Loyalty Card is in both games, and it fits with D&DG taking place in (or at least starting in) a tavern.

[elder fiber]

loyalty card is a great idea i think

booster pack bit too vague imo

[raven topaz]

Yeah. I think Loyalty Card is our best bet.

[elder fiber]

awesome

do you wanna set up a thread then??

[raven topaz]

You want me to do it? I guess I could.

[elder fiber]

well ill do it if you dont wanna

i just didnt wanna be like yeah lemme handle it

up to you lol

[raven topaz]

I can, I'm just not sure what to put in the first post LOL

[elder fiber]

ah good point

hm

we can probably set up a github repo for the time being

even if its empty

and have the link to that

and then maybe some images with the new suit, perk cards, the tarot jokers i wanna do etc

[raven topaz]

True.

[elder fiber]

just explain what we wanna do ig

add d&dg themed stuff

[raven topaz]

What tags should I add?

[elder fiber]

probably these?

maybe not textures actually

i think that means like texture packs

[raven topaz]

Looks like I can only add 5.

[elder fiber]

ah damn

maybe not ui i think

do you want me to set a github or do you wanna??

[raven topaz]

I think it'd be best if you set it up since you're the one who knows how to program.

[elder fiber]

all good

ill do that now

look good?

[raven topaz]

Yep.

[elder fiber]

there we go

ill remove the link from this thread after

[raven topaz]

Posted.

[hexed hemlock]

hi pochita :)

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber do you keep a log of all changes?

[elder fiber]

i think you can see the commit history on the github

whys that?

[plain lintel]

also

the games crashing every time i try to join

with the mod

i just updated it

[elder fiber]

whats the crash

[elder fiber]

try delete the config.lua file

and reload the game

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber still crashed

[elder fiber]

1 sec

could you copy paste whats inside your config.lua?

[plain lintel]

how do i do that

also didnt you just tell me to delete that

[elder fiber]

yeah when you start the game if you dont have a config file it makes one

if you go to where the ceres folder is

open config.lua with anything

and just copy paste what in it here

[plain lintel]

return {["card_modifiers"]={["editions"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enhancements"]={["enabled"]=false,},["seals"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,},["consumables"]={["consumable_ex"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["consumable_gx"]={["enabled"]=true,},["vouchers"]={["enabled"]=true,},},["misc"]={["unlock_all"]={["enabled"]=true,},["discover_all"]={["enabled"]=false,},["useless_jokers"]={["enabled"]=true,},},["suits"]={["enabled"]=true,},["perks"]={["enabled"]=false,},["jokers"]={["tarot"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["rarities"]={["rare"]={["enabled"]=true,},["uncommon"]={["enabled"]=true,},["legendary"]={["enabled"]=true,},["divine"]={["enabled"]=true,},["common"]={["enabled"]=true,},},},["run_modifiers"]={["stakes"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["decks"]={["enabled"]=true,},["blinds"]={["enabled"]=true,},},}

this?

[elder fiber]

yeah

are you sure you have the latest version?

[plain lintel]

i literally just downloaded it

[elder fiber]

if you open up main.lua does it look like this at the top?

the main thing here is

perks is under card_modifiers

[plain lintel]

i have no idea what u r saying

[elder fiber]

return {["card_modifiers"]={["editions"]={["enabled"]=true,},["seals"]={["enabled"]=true,},["perks"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["enhancements"]={["enabled"]=false,},},["consumables"]={["consumable_ex"]={["enabled"]=true,},["vouchers"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["consumable_gx"]={["enabled"]=true,},["reversed_tarot"]={["enabled"]=true,},},["misc"]={["unlock_all"]={["enabled"]=true,},["discover_all"]={["enabled"]=false,},["useless_jokers"]={["enabled"]=true,},},["suits"]={["enabled"]=true,},["jokers"]={["tarot"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["rarities"]={["rare"]={["enabled"]=true,},["uncommon"]={["enabled"]=true,},["legendary"]={["enabled"]=true,},["divine"]={["enabled"]=true,},["common"]={["enabled"]=true,},},},["run_modifiers"]={["stakes"]={["enabled"]=true,},["enabled"]=true,["decks"]={["enabled"]=true,},["blinds"]={["enabled"]=true,},},}```

if you paste that into your config file

then try load the game

hopefully that should work

although im not sure why it isnt in the first place

[plain lintel]

just paste that into config lua?

[elder fiber]

yep

[plain lintel]

they look the exact same

[elder fiber]

theyre not

[plain lintel]

okay it worked

thanks!

[elder fiber]

cool

nws

[fleet locust]

btw

your mod becoming big

36 jokers

[plain lintel]

more as in the balancing hisory

[fleet locust]

Vouchers

etc

[plain lintel]

uts just a cool thing to see

[fleet locust]

Almost overhaul hah

[elder fiber]

i think you can see the commit history on git but it wouldnt be super easy to view all the changes sadly

[elder fiber]

pretty much lol

[plain lintel]

...hence why i asked if you kept a balancing history

i can do that i guess

[fleet locust]

Fuck

this idea so good

imagine 6size hand

[plain lintel]

please no

[fleet locust]

Its good because reference to D&DG

[plain lintel]

theres only 1 new legendary

sad

[fleet locust]

But its really good

also

its hard to gain

as any legendary

i mean... not so important

uncommon/common/rare must be first

this is not LEGENDARY JOKERS DLC

TM

[plain lintel]

theres a deck that gives you one for free

[fleet locust]

All right reversed

Reversed fool

Also

if you really want legendary

you always can create one @plain lintel

as suggestion i mean

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ha1BxxVvqRTUPbmWzi4GyKKkND6wFwMibhYEVkiuVRU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[plain lintel]

yh im aware

wait what

[elder fiber]

lol

[plain lintel]

you changed the update one

oh

cool?

[fleet locust]

Cool

Because we have both

Update and ceres

[plain lintel]

alr just made another suggestion

[fleet locust]

Hmm

i think it should have cost zero

i mean

jokers

because of temperance

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber one joker doesnt have its back?

it was a copied canio

[fleet locust]

Copied jokers have red deck texture if flipped

i think this is why

[fleet locust]

this is in basic balatro

[elder fiber]

ill have to look into if this is an issue im causing

[plain lintel]

you can see the button

lmao

[fleet locust]

Nice sleevev

[elder fiber]

yeah idk if i can fix that

[warped robin]

honestly, there's no reason to fix it

[fleet locust]

you can make texture like in mirror

[elder fiber]

yeah its not the end of the world

[fleet locust]

One big reason to fix it