Familiar - A alternate addition for Balatro

[craggy tangle]

No we have a card called Gilded cards

it's a enhancement rather then an edition

[lime cloak]

oh i forgot, the enhancement

yes, i know what you mean

[craggy tangle]

TBH I think it's different enough so where it just

doesn't matter

beyond name

[timid summit]

That’s why I didn’t call it Gilded

[empty silo]

I made him into a legendary joker so you can be disappointed when you get him from the soul

it's a bit jank but whatever

[solemn torrent]

gives all cards the homer slowly smiling edition

[empty silo]

hell yeah

what it actually does is sell for less and add +1 mult to jacks when scored, making it essentially a dud amongst legendaries

[empty silo]

AMAZING IDEA
buying the dud also makes a joker with $0 sell value that's homer smiling with the description "It looks just like you point dexter!"
it does absolutely nothing other than playing homer's laugh and giving +1 joker slot so it doesn't take up any slots

literally detrimental to hold on to

ok fuck it if i ever make a mod of my own with all my crappy joker ideas I'm making this a reality

[solemn torrent]

Gorbini's Menagerie confirmed?

[empty silo]

nah not confirmed
also it would be called "Gorbini's Garbage Dump"

[solemn torrent]

LOL

[empty silo]

since it's a dumping grounds for all my ideas and art

also at least one joker has to be a completely blank card with the name "the mf that i can't draw" if i ever give up on art for one of them

too bad i can't get steammodded to work

[craggy tangle]

The shade is diff enough

[empty silo]

True

[placid talon]

Should this cosmetically make all hand mult chips jokers (and jimbo) have their recolored version of Homer slowly smiling

Also

Obligatory

The Dud
+1 mult for every triggered joker (?)

[empty silo]

I said Jacks, not jokers
Jacks are like the dud of face cards since they're lowest value

[placid talon]

oh i came with that idea to at least have something

[empty silo]

That's ok

[empty silo]

I know Rna is already a jester but I have a different function for it that better fits rna's normal function
RNA
Rare
Copy the modifiers of first played hand of round to other scoring cards in first played hand (doesn't copy rank or suit)

[tame lion]

Sugar Soda (Uncommon, Diet Soda Familiar)
Sell this Joker to gain 5 random tags

[manic pelican]

#⚙・modding-general message

[inner escarp]

Whoops

[craggy tangle]

huh

[craggy tangle]

gotta wait to see if they're using the Github version or not

if they are using like the release ver. it's a candidate for bugs galore probably

[craggy tangle]

@strong plinth hey whenever ur back you probably need to make it so that in the config if editions are disabled that specific editioned deck is also disabled

[solid wadi]

How is this menu populated on the backend, I was reading through Familiar and couldn't find how it was defined:

[timid summit]

Believe it’s auto generated from some sort of folder with all the code files (assuming it’s based on Cryptid’s file loading system, as it looks like)

[long sage]

I got a stack overflow error after using demise

and resume the run also result in stack overflow

[craggy tangle]

Yeah it seems to be auto populated

I can probably push out a fix for the editions bug and then release 0.1.1.

[craggy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/head-rub-rub-massage-stressed-annoyed-gif-11617816

where's snow when you need him ugh

[primal jackal]

Have an alternate version of Vouchers been considered?

[inner escarp]

They have

I think most of them are done but there's still a few

But you can also just add more if you'd like!

[craggy tangle]

Tickets, yes

[primal jackal]

Ah, interesting. Is there any particular post or sheet that explains them, and the ones already made?

[inner escarp]

There's the main sheet which has all the ones in the process of being added

There might be some still on suggestions

Both those sheets are pinned btw

[primal jackal]

👍

[north cargo]

mans prolly taking a earned break lol

[inner escarp]

Snow deserves the break

[craggy tangle]

true

[manic pelican]

#1255696773599592458 message

This bug is directly related to familiar

[placid talon]

Five Rocks

Wouldn't it be funny if there was a mod that counts Stone cards as separate hand types

[tawny quail]

the Ore of a Kind in question:

[inner escarp]

Rock and stone mod. It just overhauls stone cards

"ore" types are added as enhancements

New decks and hand types

[tawny quail]

mine of a kind

[manic pelican]

Well that clearly is a bug

[inner escarp]

Well yeah. What cards are under the stone?

[manic pelican]

I forgot. debugplused a card to stone then duplicated into 5 copies

[inner escarp]

Huh interesting

[manic pelican]

Replicatable with only debug plus and familiar installed

[manic pelican]

OR duplicate then set enhancement into stone, it's the same

[craggy tangle]

Balatore

that could be fun

[worthy quarry]

I just encountered exactly the same thing. I had a tarot with me and just made the other 9 into a stone. When picking the hand it recognizes the 9 through the stone

[worthy quarry]

For some reason, both of these thinktanks activate twice 🤔

right most card is this, tried it a few blinds and noticed scoring always ends with them retriggering. So 4x+4x, another x4+x4 and then the last book with a single x4

[timid summit]

It has to be updated after retrigger API

add no_callback = true to when it calculates the other joker

[spring oxide]

Pretty sure it's prob a forgotten context to check

[daring yew]

just found this mod today, I presume something is bugged for the descriptions of the new seals to not show up or the seals don't have descriptions yet

(this is with just Familar and no other mods in my folder rn)

[inner escarp]

Huh. Weird.

Yeah it's bugged. Don't ask me about it though

[craggy tangle]

Couple of questions

[daring yew]

yes?

[craggy tangle]

What's your steamodded version?

[daring yew]

leeeeeeeemme check

[craggy tangle]

If you're on an old Steamodded version that might be why

[craggy tangle]

Yeahhhh update that and that'll be fixed

[daring yew]

righty

[craggy tangle]

Tldr; jank with Friends with Jimbo update

[daring yew]

yeah had a feeling

im checking the github but all im getting is the 0.98 version and that one is older than the one I got now

[craggy tangle]

Source code bud

[daring yew]

got it

[dusky sapphire]

Oh I was gonna ask before. Are you planning to add tooltips saying what the new seals do to the momento cards that add them?

I don't recall if the seal spectrals from the base gave even have them, but I definitely feel their absence here

[worthy quarry]

dude I've been using computers for my entire life, and trying to find steammodded v1 was one of the most infuriating things I've come across 😅

Reading up on mods seeing a lot mentioning steammodded v1, googeling it, trying to understand and navigate github and I'm like "I KNOW IT EXISTS IM FUCKING GOOGLEING IT WHAT IS GOING ON" lol

I think I had to google about not being able to find it to find other people not understanding

[empty silo]

sorry I've been away
I lost interest in balatro and consequentially this mod
HOWEVER
I'm learning to make music with a thing called jummbox and I'm planning on making every variation of the main balatro theme as a way to learn so maybe, just maybe, if I manage to replicate the main theme good enough (my instruments will be off) I could make custom music for the different packs and such after I'm done with that
This is NOT a promise, but if they sound similar but different to the main game that will be good

I'm making the songs first, then changing the instruments with help from the beepbox community

[empty silo]

I rarely follow through with ideas but this time I'm trying to put as much effort into something as possible

[inner escarp]

I think that'd be awesome!

[empty silo]

It would...
If balatro wasn't in an obscure time signiture
I'll have to consult beepcord for this stuff, the most I know about actually making music is how to read sheet music and I'm not just gonna steal the sheet music from someone else. I could ask a community member to collaborate to make more accurate instruments since I don't particularly grasp how the instruments work. The moderators are really friendly since they're people who have had years of experience with beepbox (of which jummbox is the most popular mod of) so maybe I can ask for help with cleaning up the instruments

Something about beepbox and jummbox is that it has a very intricate and complicated instrument system, but gets around that by being easy to share music compositions, requiring just a single link.
It'll be really slow if I decide to do it but I'll post updates if I do

Tldr: for me, making this is the equivalent of a monkey trying to write Shakespeare

Sorry for the text wall, I am very passionate for my ideas... until I get an entirely new idea that fucks with the last one

[empty silo]

If I manage to learn jummbox's source code I could even collaborate with another creator to make a special "box" for steammodded

[empty silo]

Fun little factoid to base a misprint familiar on
https://youtu.be/2pQznnrzeBk?si=oszYd_YcFt_6ebjw

[empty silo]

Also the reason I was so unbelievably active is because of personal reasons regarding my mental health and lack of responsibility
I'm going to be much less active and hopefully the speed at which I send ideas and work on things for this mod will slow down so I don't flood these channels.
Hopefully this is the last report in a while, I'll be keeping this project in the back of my mind but for now I need to practice art and music

That being said I may use sprites for this mod as practice so others can touch up on them and make the full jester art
Hopefully these text walls are less frequent now

[manic pelican]

That does not look like two pair : (

[vernal willow]

That is a 4 oak sir

[manic pelican]

yeah, so not two pair

[worthy quarry]

wtf I just saw this and was gonna post 😅

you beat me to it

[inner escarp]

I just work here

[empty silo]

slight problem, I need to make the original sped up versions of the music for them to naturally work with balatro
how much should I speed up the file for it to get to the high speed? since I want this to work with this mod if I finish it

https://www.youtube.com/@Balatro112

[craggy tangle]

If you look in the source code you should be able to see how it's sped down if you find the song

[empty silo]

I'll go rooting around in there for the sound files...

I don't have steammodded lol, I mostly used this mod as a premise for me to come up with more stuff for balatro and for art practice

would speeding it up the same way it's slowed down work too? I'm used to the normal version

I'm just gonna make it the way I'm most... familiar with :)

[craggy tangle]

It should just be in the base game source code I mean

[empty silo]

these are from the soundtrack, I paid for them because the soundtrack is my favorite soundtrack ever

[inner escarp]

I was thinking for the sacred packs you could definitely have some fun with it instrument wise

[empty silo]

yeah
most of it is going to be either subtle changes or instrumental mixups

[inner escarp]

I've actually used beepbox a bit for just music reading practice

[empty silo]

I'm still concepting... I need to actually learn to make music first
It's something I'll work on every now and then but for now I have other ideas

[flat dew]

how to play

[mild crater]

🤔

[gray shore]

hi yall how do i download

nvm i saw the pin

[primal jackal]

Brutha does not know. :)

[flat dew]

Where download this mod ?

[manic pelican]

pinned

[worthy quarry]

found some more double triggers, with DNA thinktank does jump and say "copied" twice but only two copies are spawned as expected. Though mime for example is another one where thinktank triggers mime twice and then mime has their own trigger.

[strong plinth]

the new retrigger api causes this, I updated the code to work with it

[craggy tangle]

SNOW

🙇‍♂️

[strong plinth]

yea?

[craggy tangle]

I missed you

❤️

[worthy quarry]

Cool! Seems like both thinktank and the other copying one both had quite a few doubles with both vanilla and modded jokers so that's awesome to hear! Really like the mod and especially the fact you can config/disable anything for more vanilla bois like myself ❤️

[north cargo]

yoo welcome back

[north cargo]

Um what

why this happen

Curse of jimbo

[dusky sapphire]

Iirc that happens when there isn't enough of the right kind of card in the pool

Though idk why that'd apply in this case

[craggy tangle]

I might try and get some work done on trying to make a way to like

get a table set up for jokers and their counterparts to make some stuff easier 😛

potentially

🤔

[manic pelican]

Did this bug fixed?

[north cargo]

Nope

has stopped (and helped) many a run

Any news on new jokers being added?

[strong plinth]

nothing added yet, trying to iron out some bugs

[craggy tangle]

a lot of backend stuff is the main issue and it's good new stuff is cropping up

cleaning up for 0.1.1 is gonna be baller

[strong plinth]

btw had an idea for a four finger familiar, it allows selecting an extra card if all other selected cards are the same suit(or something similar). can't think of a name though

[craggy tangle]

Sixer

crash with Distro

Also was fleeting Deck intentionally supposed to be added with the Merry andy description? @strong plinth

[strong plinth]

i've alreday removed it

[craggy tangle]

Also I think there is a bug i've noticed as well - Mementos cards can appear in the normal shop pool

that may be why the packs aren't working?

[north cargo]

6 finger…

You would need to add six of a kind tho cus what if for example 6 Ace of spade

[feral crown]

not really

[north cargo]

Wdm if what he said is how it works aka selecting a 6th card the chance of someone getting 6 of the same card is very possible so it would need a new hand type

[feral crown]

doesn't mean a new hand is needed

it can just be five of a kind/flush five

[north cargo]

it would be cooler tho, it fits with the whole familiar thing

hand type that is almost something that is in game just slightly diffrent

And you could also do another hand type Fuller Flush House 3 of each card like 3 spade kings and 3 spade jacks

Royal Party its a royal flush but with the nine included

[craggy tangle]

I feel like for something like that it would have to be implemented later

[north cargo]

yea ik but its a cool idea

[north cargo]

I looked up what its called when u have 6 fingers polydactyly

maybe that

[craggy tangle]

I'm still goin for sixer cause you have the opportunity to do yet another funny reference

[strong plinth]

thats what i was thinking when you said that

[craggy tangle]

exactly

make it a journal for the funny

[craggy tangle]

wip art

[dusky sapphire]

Fingers should probably be longer. Kinda looks like when you blow up a latex glove atm

[craggy tangle]

less blocky fingores gore

[dusky sapphire]

Definitely better

Only thing I'd say is the outer curve of the thumb should basically follow the curve of the hand

[craggy tangle]

that is true

best of both worlds with this last revision

follows the curve but still is thumb..

[dusky sapphire]

Looks good :3

[craggy tangle]

Sixer's Scrapbook

Rare Familiar Four Fingers
-# All hands can have a sixth card selected.

new Joey lore - at least one variant of him indeed does have polydactyl

[feral crown]

it doesn't say jester on it

[craggy tangle]

That is right

🤔 I gotta figure out how to add it..

[dusky sapphire]

It's one of those them stylized cards

[craggy tangle]

Well every card in theory has it

even like

Hallucination

[strong plinth]

have it signed like by the author

[feral crown]

what if +1 play size, so it can stack

[dusky sapphire]

Idk how many pixels you have to work with but I'm thinking a tiny barely legible badge in the bottom center

Kinda similar to the size of Joker on Red Card

[craggy tangle]

Decided on a compromise

didn't want to try and like

inherently make it more complicated

[dusky sapphire]

Still looks good

Though kinda makes the reference a bit less obvious imo

[feral crown]

where are the other 12 books /j

[dusky sapphire]

The spine might have been better tbh

[craggy tangle]

I think it's fine

[dusky sapphire]

Definitely is

[craggy tangle]

Snow can do some touchups if needed it gets the idea across

[dusky sapphire]

I just nitpick sometimes, sorry

[craggy tangle]

nah ur good

[inner escarp]

Oh I like it!

[inner escarp]

Now we need to make the triangle

[craggy tangle]

Hm

Could see a couple of funny ones for it

Chaos the Clown is an obvious choice

[strong plinth]

I think I found the High Priestess Tekana card

[craggy tangle]

Could be neat

🤔

[empty silo]

I HAVE RETURNED
My email got hacked and I can't get discord to change the email -_-

[craggy tangle]

bruh

welcome back tho bud @empty silo

[empty silo]

I'm gonna get my account compromised again this is some bull

Whenever it does actually send the verification email it's the same incorrect code

[craggy tangle]

🤔

[strong plinth]

added some detail

[north cargo]

so for this it would allow for 6 cards to be played am i correct?

[craggy tangle]

correct

[craggy tangle]

cool shit

[inner escarp]

That is baller

I cleaned up a few of my suggestions for balancing. Mainly the leapfrog pin which I'm debating on whether it should just be a gamblers pin for each skip.

[craggy tangle]

Loaded Die Pin still seemed busted @inner escarp

[inner escarp]

Whoop lemme check that one

Okay yeah that one was busted I was on something when I made that one for sure

How's about 3 freerolls

Also I focused on fixing the ones you specifically commented on.

[empty silo]

Oh my god

[inner escarp]

Nice

I was thinking of a square joker variant being Will Cryptogram

(totally not Bill cipher)

[craggy tangle]

I still think the wording of "All hands can have a sixth card selected" is better to explain it

[timid summit]

for comparison this is how Cryptid words it

[timid summit]

pierrot from jellymod worded it like this

[lime cloak]

that would imply this joker sets the selection limit to 6

setting it and adding to it are very different

[lime cloak]

if this joker is setting the select limit to 6, we've got a mod compatibility problem

otherwise, it's fine

[north cargo]

any ideas as to what happened here

also the only ethereal card is shade

when i look in collection

[strong plinth]

then you should update, there was a config thing that removed the other ones but i fixed it

[north cargo]

ah ok

[strong plinth]

H.A.M Radio art

[inner escarp]

Thats awesome

[craggy tangle]

wip on that one idea somebody had here (still gotta change some stuff around

wip name is Troublesome Triangle

inspiration obvs is the journal page

TROUBLESOME TRIANGLE

-# Familiar Square Joker

For every 3 played:

Have a 1 in 3 chance to destroy this card. Gain 4 dollars.

Have a 1 in 3 chance to make it a Gold Card.

Have a 1 in 3 chance to make it a Gilded Card.

I feel like with the probabilities it's always gonna hit one of the three if that makes any sense?

• each of them being related to Money symbolizes the power of a deal, lemme know what you think about balancing

[strong plinth]

so an either or thing, like one of these are going to happen instead of 1 in 3 for each

[craggy tangle]

Mhm

1 of 3 things can happen

[craggy tangle]

Revised effects:

For every 3 played, one of three things can happen:

+1 mult for every 5 dollars.

Converts a random card in your deck into a 3.

Destroys a random card in hand. Gain 3 dollars.

talked to a friend who has a game design degree

[strong plinth]

i think it'd be fitting to have the triangle to also have bill's limbs

btw H.A.M Radio is implemented

[north cargo]

im so ready for the new joker

i love this mod

[strong plinth]

this needs a new effect, it was too similar to popcorn

[craggy tangle]

Nahhh I feel like the idea is that it's supposed to be a page ripped right out of the sixer scrapbook

[craggy tangle]

Anyways suggestion - Can we change Purple Card to Blue Card? It's like Red Jester

[craggy tangle]

here's a concept

The second half real

it does line up with the original too before you ask

[craggy tangle]

THE SECOND HALF

-# Familiar Half Joker

+100 chips if played hand contains 3 or more cards.

[strong plinth]

it's purple because Ortalab has blue card

also, i like purple

[strong plinth]

btw do you have 1x for this?

[craggy tangle]

@strong plinth

[empty silo]

I have a really cool planet card idea but it will require a lot of art

[north cargo]

I really feel like there needs to be new hand types added for this, cus what could happen with this is chances for these new hands, 3 pair (basically just 2 pair but 1 more pair is able to happen), Fuller house (Full house but 3 Aces and 3 Kings or 4 aces and 2 kings as examples), 6 of a kind, Royal Party (royal flush but with the 9)

and it fits with how the game itself operates because new hand types show up as you play the game and upgrade your deck examples being flush five, five of a kind, flush house, these dont exist until you fit the requirements to do so. Just like getting the joker would make the new hands possible

[empty silo]

That's cool

Now we need more planets...

There's plenty of inspiration you can take tho

[craggy tangle]

wip on a new jester real

[daring yew]

soooooooo likely just me being that I have a lot of mods but Taromancer does basically nothing

[strong plinth]

yea probably, seems to work just fine for me

[north cargo]

Perfect for fusion jokers mod…..

[craggy tangle]

True but that needs to be updated

[thick sigil]

Just put the tape and it should be good to go

[craggy tangle]

god I am COOKING today

if anyone gets the reference you're a real g

[craggy tangle]

Anyways drumroll please....

WEIRD JO JESTERVIC

-# Familiar RIff-Raff, Legendary(?)

On blind start, creates a "Weird" joker or Jester.

Current pool ideas are:

M Jokers (Cryptid ) sans exotics
Philosophical Joker
Sixer's Scrapbook
Troublesome Triangle
Sob
Happy House

I was thinking this could be exotic(?) for some fun multilayered chicanery but that means it would need to have a massive pool

(for context, weird pool can be any meme / reference Joker since I probably missed a bunch)

@primal jackal gonna ping you cause you're the "guy" for this kinda stuff (I have no clue I work 4 days a week and hide in the corner the other 3)

[empty silo]

OOOOO DAMN!!!

Nice

I sadly don't get the reference but man that's cool

[craggy tangle]

tis only a reference to peak

Also if anybodyh wants to add Weird pool stuff just lemme know cause like this joker pool could be MASSIVE

[primal jackal]

Hmm, whadya need?

[craggy tangle]

Just was wondering if you had anything to add to the "Weird" pool idea

from like any mod

essentially it's either stuff that's specifically references, goofy, or memes

[solemn torrent]

Jankman'd probably fit.

[primal jackal]

Mhm, there's a lot of Jokers from Morefluff and probably a few from DeFused/Jokeology (the fanmade Fusion Joker expansion) that can fall under it. There's also some from Othermod, if you can stomach working with Goku.

Other than that, I believe you listed most of them.

[dusky sapphire]

So this is probably a bit outside of the scope of this mod, but I okay with bunco, and a lot of my flush builds end up turning into spectrum builds. Its a bit disheartening to not be able to take advantage of sacred cards

[dusky sapphire]

Inverse wheel triggered on a joker that was already negative

[craggy tangle]

Are you on latest git? That should have been fixed a while ago

[dusky sapphire]

yeah I am, just double checked that my modpack wasn't pulling from an old commit or something

[craggy tangle]

Anyways uh @strong plinth I feel like a QOL / feedback thing is if someone has Talisman installed it will play the multchips sound for fam_x_chips instead

I feel like that's an easy mod check that you could do instead of having a lovely patch for it idk if it's mandatory or not

[craggy tangle]

Oh btw I have figured out another retrigger bug.

WIth Rivulet (Jen's Almanac Joker) if you try and put Purple Card in a slot where it would retrigger multiple times it doesn't work

[empty silo]

Sorry I haven't been doing much related to the project recently
I'm working on other more overarching stuff like a neocities website and such.
Just a little question for the stylization of my website, but where can I find the community made joker fonts? I'm planning on using them for the website in certain places (with credit).

[craggy tangle]

@strong plinth dumb question - Does Familiar "re-implement" xchips?

Because I think in order to kill two birds with one stone we can just make Talisman a hard dependency and get the xchips code from it with the sound

I think that would be better for the long term since then if we wanna add any wacky jokers that do ^mult or ^^mult it supports that too

[strong plinth]

kind of yea

[craggy tangle]

Yeah I would say to make it easier just make Talisman hard dependency because you can disable Num/Omeganum

if that is of course possible, maybe then 0.1.1 can be released

[dusky sapphire]

did anyone ever have any thoughts on this?

[inner escarp]

No idea since I've never used bunco

[dusky sapphire]

the ideas man has no idea :P

but fr fair

[inner escarp]

I'm gonna get fired 😭

[dusky sapphire]

just noticed a slight inconsistency. The enhancements for this mod don't have 'card' in their names, but the vanilla ones do

also can we get tooltips for the seals on the memento cards that make them

[inner escarp]

I second this idea

[manic pelican]

that's not foak

[inner escarp]

I think this was discussed before

Just needs to be fixed

[strong plinth]

no, i think i changed the wrong one

[inner escarp]

Oh weird

[primal jackal]

W

[strong plinth]

sorry if progress has been a little slow lately, I'm moving soon and had a lot to do recently.

[inner escarp]

It's all good

Take all the time you need, moving is a tad bit difficult

[manic pelican]

So many ppl are moving wth

[junior owl]

Imagine you add a special joker that gives you $0 if hand contains a high card if cryptid is installed XD

[manic pelican]

Oh that

[strong plinth]

you may have an older version, Familiar.lua hasn't had 1000 or more lines in a bit.

[dusky sapphire]

lmfao

[primal jackal]

I got the Release version from Releases, do I need to get the direct ZIP from the green Code button instead?

Will do, then.

[dusky sapphire]

tbh I can't think of any mods where the release is better to get than the direct code

there used to be a couple, but not really now

[dusky sapphire]

I'd been noticing this for a while but wasn't 100% sure. but yeah maroon seals are just acting like regular red seals for me

[sturdy phoenix]

is this on 1.0 steamodded?

[spring oxide]

yes

[sturdy phoenix]

thanks

[dusky sapphire]

also this sin't happening anymore? I know there wasn't an update, so idk why

anyway it works properly

[brisk bear]

rember this goober
he lost his account info
I'm going to be him now

also I calmed down

[craggy tangle]

huh

[brisk bear]

not doing identity theft
if I decide to contribute I will

[proud field]

this is very very powerful

[craggy tangle]

Nah it scales by 2 dollars each time and will automatically take the money

you're effectively fucking over your econ in the process

[spice latch]

If your going for balance con man is absolutely not there lol. He’s reasonable early game but absolutely bonkers mid game and unfathomable for late game runs

Not sure how much you care about endless runs for balance

[craggy tangle]

That description is also kind of outdated

the new one essentially is this, it explains the joker better:

CON MAN

At the end of the shop, lose $10 and create a random copy of a Joker or Consumable in your possession. Increases by $2 on each activation

(must have room)

It also has a hidden condition of if you own both Consumables and Jokers that will randomly select between one or the other, and does nothing if you don't have room

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's not as absurdly good as you think, it's a setup joker, not a Cryptid broken joker I think

[spice latch]

Certainly not a cryptid broken joker but still definitely not in line with vanilla

personally I think out of line with he rest of the mod still. I think repeatable joker duplication is just problematic as a concept

[junior owl]

joker broke

[dusky sapphire]

It doesn't give it on payout screen

It just debits it right to your balance

[junior owl]

still doesnt work

[dusky sapphire]

Not even after you push pay out? I guess it did mess up

[craggy tangle]

It's at end of round

🤔

So like when you play your winning hand

if it still doesn't work after that

🤔

idk

[junior owl]

it works with smll values at first but when i get to big numbers it stops working

[dusky sapphire]

Yeah I know so idk why I said what I did

[dusky sapphire]

Does cryptid/talisman reimpliment higher amounts of money?

[junior owl]

i dont think so

[craggy tangle]

they do

I think it goes up to like

e308?

vanilla naneinf

or well

they make scaling to naneinf money possible I think with like

number blocks or compound

[junior owl]

but prob not small numbers like 1000

[craggy tangle]

lemme take a look at archibald's code 🔍

i'm also high like a mother rn so I might not be much help

[junior owl]

XD

[craggy tangle]

            if #G.consumeables.cards % 2 == 0 and #G.consumeables.cards ~= 0 then
                ease_dollars(card.ability.extra.money * (#G.consumeables.cards/2))
                G.GAME.dollar_buffer = (G.GAME.dollar_buffer or 0) + card.ability.extra.money
                G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({func = (function() G.GAME.dollar_buffer = 0; return true end)}))
                return {
                    message = localize('$')..card.ability.extra.money,
                    dollars = card.ability.extra.money,
                    colour = G.C.MONEY
                }
            end
        end```

this is the actual code itself

[junior owl]

why not use ease_dollars

[dusky sapphire]

Hehe

Wish I could still do that

[dusky sapphire]

Is that a talisman function? Not everyone has talisman

Tbh it's a problem with talisman is vanilla money functions stop working correctly

[hazy badge]

I’m pretty sure it’s a vanilla function

Ease dollars is also right there so not sure what’s going on with that

[dusky sapphire]

Ah weird

Idk why they'd have done it so manually like that

[hazy badge]

oh wait I'm seeing something that might explain it

@junior owl exactly how many consumables did you have

if i'm looking at this correctly if #G.consumeables.cards % 2 == 0 means it's not gonna do anything if there are an odd number of consumables

[dusky sapphire]

Huh that's bizzare

That's.... the only reason you'd code that too

[hazy badge]

yeah that was it

ig it works with the default number of consumables since it's even lol

probably need a better check though

[dusky sapphire]

But there's crystal ball and perkeo and stuff

So it doesn't even work then

[hazy badge]

xd

good thing this was spotted now and not later at least

[dusky sapphire]

Yeah definitely

[hazy badge]

@craggy tangle found the issue

[craggy tangle]

Thx! Anything I can do currently for a better check?

I can implement 2nite

[hazy badge]

uh no but I can probably figure it out rn

[craggy tangle]

ty

i am gonna go take a quick ass shower

[dusky sapphire]

Wouldn't you just have a separate case foe if mod 2 is 1?

[craggy tangle]

it's not a cross mod issue it's a

"this function isn't calculating properly" issue

I think, right Jevonn?

[hazy badge]

yeah

@craggy tangle This should be good to go, changed the if statement, ease_dollars, and message

if anything else needs to be changed just look at what I did for those

but seemed ok frim my testing

[craggy tangle]

I'll push an update tonight

thx jevonn

currently trying to optimize an upgrademod run and getting kinda peeved at the fact there is like no good way to get upgrades beyond after every big blind (rest of it is RNG)

[dusky sapphire]

Looks like you've already solved it but I meant if modulo 2 of the consumable amount is 1, then give ([consumables]-1))*$50

[dusky sapphire]

I meant modulo, the "%" opprand

[hazy badge]

this does it in less lines :p

[dusky sapphire]

Very fair

[junior owl]

Oh I think that's why because I think I always had an odd number

[junior owl]

this mod breaks stone cards

this is with only familiar

[unique dew]

hi, noticed a small error in sploosh desc "vaules" instead of "values" (i think it's an error and if not then my bad)

[primal jackal]

Do y'all mind if I can post Deluxe/Cursed versions of the Consumables from here?

[craggy tangle]

I kinda do mind bc like we still gotta do bugfixes even before adding more crossmod stuff

And not every consumable type is fully done yet

[primal jackal]

:| Okay.

[inner escarp]

However

I think it would be neat to have dx and cursed versions of em

At some point. But take it up with big man Snow

[spice latch]

Yeah as long as you understand there is a risk you will need to redo stuff I don’t see the harm

But yeah probably good to check in with the author

[craggy tangle]

I think the other point as a big contributor to this beyond like actual ideas is gonna be well

DX 1.0 coming out first

[inner escarp]

Trueing trueing

[craggy tangle]

that way it can be easy because I would assume people can make their own like

dx tarots if they're made underneath smods.consumable

(idk I haven't checked up on dev progress and the last time I used DX Tarots it broke because it adds cross mod compatibility and hasn't updated to 1.0 yet for it)

[inner escarp]

I haven't used DX in a while either so

No idea there

(I'm gonna get fired again)

[junior owl]

Is stone card getting fixed

[junior owl]

Because yes this exists and I cant look at a stone card without wondering (what suit and rank does it have

[strong plinth]

I still can't find out why stone cards do that 😭

[junior owl]

😭 what does the stone card code you add do

Added*

[strong plinth]

the closest i get to stone cards code is with suitless cards

[junior owl]

The first line in the code mentions stone cards

Steamodded adds a no_suit tag for consumables making it keep the rank and always score but make it loseits rank might do it

I forgot its for enhancement but it's not an enhancement forget me

[north cargo]

It honestly might be that, my thinking is since both enhancements take a card of your choosing and remove its suite, the game is getting confused with stone cards because technically stone cards have a playing card value assigned to it so when the game is seeing a stone card its just assuming that its actually a suite less card instead

and reassigning the playing cards value to the stone card

Hence giving the stone card back its suite and number

[craggy tangle]

Mhm

Would be better to probably use SMODS.Suit to make it a fully custom suit

I know Ceres did suitless cards and made them work

That could be good for multi suited cards as well

[worthy quarry]

are the two copying jokers activating most jokers double fixed? Thinktank and the other one, just came across thinktank and remembered they do this but I might have an old version

[inner escarp]

Prob an old version. I think it's fixed?

Though I'd have to check. Been a while since I played the mod recently

[strong plinth]

yea, thats fixed

[inner escarp]

Sick

[inner escarp]

Sorta tested Archibald out and yeah he doesn't work at higher values. Don't know what it could be but he's not outputting any cash.

[cosmic bane]

Hi, Vigor will have issues with mod added suits. You can replace "string.sub(_card.base.suit, 1, 1)" with SMODS.Suits[_card.base.suit].card_key" or look into SMODS change_base function.

[strong plinth]

I don't think the suits are available yet.

[craggy tangle]

I think Elbe means in general

[cosmic bane]

yeah, in case you're using bunco, six suits, inks and colors, or the like

[solemn torrent]

Hmm, that misprint on the left could probably be done graphically pretty easily, and it'd be a fitting alternate Death effect given the effects of the Suit Fortunes. Too bad multi-Rank cards don't work...

[lunar zinc]

Hellooo, Any idea how to fix the crash ?

[strong plinth]

it seems that the ethereal pack is having trouble loading, I'm not sure of why though.

[crimson sandal]

You tried lovely beta6?

[lunar zinc]

Yes and 7

[dusky sapphire]

yeah. it's the familiar seal, but it seems to do it on play, not discard

either that or that maroon seal

[pearl harness]

So along with bunco and smeared joker some interesting things can happen to the hands and cards, I have never seen a club be counted as a heart, I think this is hilarious im ngl

[pearl harness]

Just double-checked to make sure none of my other mods were the cause, and yea, it seems it's only between these 2

[scarlet basin]

hello! really like the idea of this mod, was wondering if content was still in progress

[strong plinth]

yea, progress just really slowed down because of a move I'm going though rn

[scarlet basin]

does the mod accept any jester ideas btw

(concepts for jesters)

[strong plinth]

yea, there's a suggestions sheet pinned

[dusky sapphire]

I noticed RNA keeps wiggling when the round ends and it wasn't used

[scarlet basin]

i think i had a neat idea for the uncommon suit stones

[dusky sapphire]

ooh I like those

diamond almost doesn't suck even

it's a miracle

[scarlet basin]

glad to hear; i think its probably more alternate to me than opposite which is good

[dusky sapphire]

Diamond actually is good too, I was exxagerating

[scarlet basin]

all of the stones in question are just red orange black and black stones respectively

[dusky sapphire]

So once there's more uh... whatever the tarots are called, can we get an option to specifically turn off multi-suit cards?

I get why there isn't now with that being what most of the 'tarots' are

[scarlet basin]

also had this idea

[dusky sapphire]

ayy not bad

[scarlet basin]

i was originally making it x2 but thats just the duo but worst

so 2.5 works a bit better

rarus is uncommon in latin btw

[inner escarp]

Yo neat!

Always glad to see new ideas

Also ngl the rarus idea is baller

I made an oops all Sixes idea but I'm wondering if Its possible to make a card that actually "rolls a dice" for a list of effects

[manic pelican]

Then what's rare in Latin

[north cargo]

it would be like any joker that has a probability with it so yes i believe so

[inner escarp]

Okay the text would just be a tad long

[inner escarp]

Okay it's done. Dungeons Dungeons and More Dungeons!

[scarlet basin]

the infinity die!?!!?

[inner escarp]

Correct!

Except it's actually just 20 sided cause I'm not gonna put in that much work and snow doesn't need to do that much work either-

[scarlet basin]

i didnt know we had a gf enjoyer in the chat :D

glad to see

[inner escarp]

There's also a sixers journal joker in the mod

[nimble coral]

Famortalab

[dusky sapphire]

Yeah, lol

[scarlet basin]

hey dev guy; thoughts on these ideaas i had for the 4 suit stones if you're still here

[craggy tangle]

Lemme take a look i'm kind of the other guy

[primal jackal]

The only thing that I'd say is for Ruby to be xChips instead of Mult, as several of the other Jesters flip around the Mult for Chips.

[strong plinth]

their good, i assume they would include the Mult-suit versions of the cards as well

[ornate copper]

link?

[strong plinth]

pinned

[ornate copper]

ok

where?\

[strong plinth]

in the corner, then click the first github link

[inner escarp]

I just saw cryptids new card and I think that would be better wording for DD&MD

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1264431379278594088/1301743664694824970/image.png?ex=672596c2&is=67244542&hm=b0ffd48b17dacba938aa572ffc8f8900fcbd5f75c66cc8a148f4a0cd42e70a5e&

[quick stone]

After removing all my mods and adding them back one by one, I figured out Familiar is the one causing this particular crash. Any idea what's going on?

[agile marsh]

anyone know where to download link is?

nvrm

im dumb

[raw tulip]

Added suggestion "oops all ones"

[solemn torrent]

Isn't that already a thing in a few mods?

[craggy tangle]

Yep, even Ortalab

[raw tulip]

I have literally only ever played cryptid so i would not know that

[scarlet basin]

it isnt really that much of a familiar idea

its less parallell and more opposite

[inner escarp]

Fixed leapfrog pins balance issues by making it multiply interest by x1.5 for each skipped blind this ante instead. So the max you can get is x3 interest which is 60$ if you have 20$ of interest.

I also fixed the wording on a couple of suggestions I made

[inner escarp]

Just working on blinds now

[inner escarp]

All blinds are officially done at least suggestion wise!

I liked the idea of the final boss blind being normal boss blind and some of the normal boss blinds being final boss blinds.

The ones that I turned into FINAL boss blinds are The Head into the Scarlet Skull, The Wheel into the Bronze Betrayal, The House into the Salmon Skyscraper, The Goad to the Indigo Incentive, and The Ox into the Blood Red Bison.

[inner escarp]

Another idea popped into my head to use the colors of the new suits for the final boss blinds there.

[craggy tangle]

I feel like I've been lacking lately too fellas my bad 😭

[inner escarp]

Nah you're good

Breaks are always good

[craggy tangle]

I'm waiting for Snow to move before I make significant progress because I wanna make sure that everything can be added in a timely manner

before making promises I can't keep

n stuff

One thing I kinda wanna debate about is making a discord if @strong plinth is okay with it for organization purposes since this mod I think is one of the few that may outgrow just a thread

[inner escarp]

I think that would be useful!

At least for the long term life of this mod

Depends on Snows thoughts though

[primal cliff]

Cryptid became massive enough overtime to need a server,but if you ask me if a mod gets that big in any aspect it’s worth it in the long run (though that’s just my perspective anyway)

[inner escarp]

I don't think this mod has the biggest community yet but I think due to its flexible nature it can grow quite a lot

[craggy tangle]

ik Pokermon got one

and that's what kinda gave me the idea

[inner escarp]

I think it'd be good for the long termN

Also just to quickly check were you gonna do a full note on DD&MD since I can see you were writing one and then it cuts off. Cause if there is a simpler way to word it (which I think I did the best I could) I'd love to know.

[primal jackal]

Once the main features with the Consumable Alts are done, then it'll probably be fine to establish a new server for it.

[craggy tangle]

I can probably make a full list of it in a min

it's just a task LMAO

[inner escarp]

Yeah no problem lol I get it

After all it IS a lot of effects

[spark wren]

Hey... uh... is Zeus supposed to show up 3 times?

[spark wren]

Yeah the familiar packs definitely don't have dupe protection

[inner escarp]

Do you have any other mods that may be interfering

Cause they work fine on my end.

[dusky sapphire]

I've never had that happen

[spark wren]

Hmm, I don't know what would be interfering really? Currently I have Grim, Familiar, and Bunco installed, as well as Elbe's fixes.

I might play some games with various mods removed to see what might be the culprit. Part of me wants to say Bunco because Bunco has historically been a pain in the ass

It's also only Pantheon packs. Familiar packs seem to be okay.

[craggy tangle]

concept for stakes - mini cards that change around certain gimmicks or consumables

so far i've only made art for two of em

[strong plinth]

i am getting closer and closer to my move date so i'll probably start appearing less often in the next week or two

[strong plinth]

do you have the most recent version?

because they don't say error on the bottom anymore

[strong plinth]

yea, i can look more into that once i'm fully moved

[spark wren]

lemme check

[pearl harness]

i'm getting the similar results with only familiar and brainstorm active

this is the version i have with this issue

[dreamy salmon]

Any plans to update the localization files, it's hard to do localization for other languages right now

[craggy tangle]

I think that might be outdated

[craggy tangle]

probably at some point

[fickle dawn]

how do I download this mod? where is the link?

[pearl harness]

Really? Damn... what's the latest eddition?

[craggy tangle]

https://github.com/RattlingSnow353/Familiar

posted it here but I should have bumped ver. number to be 0.1.5

[fickle dawn]

Im sorry im new to this modding community and Im also not very tech savvy

Thank you for your help

[craggy tangle]

it has some stuff I'm trying to work on for sleeves

I gotta figure out how to do Duality Sleeve 🤔

[pearl harness]

tysm :D

[craggy tangle]

just clone from git for now

duality sleeve works

[pearl harness]

even with the change (thank you for that btw it's more balanced now) that pickpocket has, i still do get the +2 hand size that it had before

[craggy tangle]

that's the point?

You get the hand size still

but you lose a discard

it's a tradeoff

[pearl harness]

oh my god im so dumb lmfao

my dubass read 2 hands

sorry for the cofussion

[craggy tangle]

ur good

for context we moved the function to be sleight of hand gaining the +1 hand

so in total you lose 2 discards but gain +2 handsize and a hand

[pearl harness]

i do think that the +2 in pickpocket should be yellow for dumbos like me who can't read lol

[craggy tangle]

oh that's my trance theme lol

[pearl harness]

but it's blue for me, that's how i got confused

[craggy tangle]

Ah I can fix that rq

should have pushed it to git along with spare sleeve

https://tenor.com/view/gato-joia-gif-27503164

[pearl harness]

yeahhhh

thanks a lot

also just found something else, pantheon packs now give the cards of hands i haven't played, like the flush five or house here

[craggy tangle]

Did you pull via git?

Oh wait you did

huh

🤔

I think I might have submitted this b4

idk if it got fixed yet but it's a minor bug

make sure u pull latest btw every deck beyond the editioned ones now have sleeve support

[craggy tangle]

I also have added a modded joker category to suggestions so that way if people wanna see stuff for other mods they can add it (with a potential chance to get in, not 100% guaranteed)

[spark wren]

Alright, I pulled latest off of the git, lets see what's still borked

[inner escarp]

Good morning krusty krew!

[craggy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/krusty-crew-patrick-spongebob-good-morning-gif-13024787

[inner escarp]

Ourple

[craggy tangle]

hopefully we get some more suggestions, I wanna see y'alls takes on modded stuff

[inner escarp]

I'll work on a few

Don't know what mods to pull from though...

I'm thinking some of the cryptid jokers

Probably the M jokers.

[thorn shard]

I guess the obvious method is W

After all, you got it set to M for mini when it should be set to W for wumbo

[inner escarp]

TRUE

Wumbo cards

[inner escarp]

I kinda fw it ngl

[craggy tangle]

TBH if we do cryptid I do wanna just have a talisman compat built in

[craggy tangle]

I think I should be easily able to do it

[craggy tangle]

Alright

next push is gonna require Talisman as a dependency

[timid summit]

Nice

[craggy tangle]

it's just easier overall then I thought since it just works once you replace a few vars

https://github.com/RattlingSnow353/Familiar

should have an updatedish readme

[inner escarp]

Neat!

[spark wren]

Isn't Strawberry just an objectively better Popcorn?

[inner escarp]

Strawberry is going to be changed at some point

For the exact reason of being too similar to popcorn

[quick stone]

I've been wanting to use Familiar again for a while, but this is the error I keep getting. What do I need to do to fix it?

[craggy tangle]

Hmmmm strange

I thought we had vigor fixe

*fixed

[craggy tangle]

🤔 what have you done to replicate the error?

or well

how did you get it

Also btw you should probably update Steamodded

[quick stone]

I get the error on startup. I thought I had the latest version of Steamodded, but I must be missing something. Where exactly can I find the most up to date version?

[worn mural]

So... Hack+Sock and Buskin?

Who's Archibald by the way?

[primal jackal]

Yes, it's basically a pure retrigger Joker, with no caveats.

[quick stone]

Downloaded the code from the Steamodded github, same error. Is there some more up to date version than 1.0.0~ALPHA-1103a-STEAMODDED, and where do I download it?

[inner escarp]

Archibald is the Jester forJames VI.

There will be 2 sets of legendaries. One for other jesters like Archibald, and one for Legendary Comedians like Robin Williams as an example

Archibald is noted for being given a royal pension for 50 Pounds yearly for his Scottish kinsman, John of the Syde. Which is where I came up with his ability of $50 for every 2 consumables in slots. I came up with all the Familiar Legendary JESTERS like Archibald. Humplydinkle/Joey J. Jester came up with the Comedians.

Theres also a few other legendaries to be added in later. Mostly just for fun ones

[craggy tangle]

It’s probably one of the other mods you’re using conflicting. I would recommend doing a binary search

[quick stone]

It's only Familiar that's giving me an error. Removing everything else, there's nothing it could be conflicting with other than Lovely, Steamodded, or Talisman.

[craggy tangle]

I have the same exact setup as you and I don't get this crash 🤔

Steamodded is 1103a as well

ohhhh wait I'm on lovely 0.5.0 beta6

@quick stone what does your mod folder look like inside?

and do you have an items folder in your mod folder?

[quick stone]

Just this right now

[craggy tangle]

And what's in the familiar folder?

[quick stone]

Oh, there is an Items folder in the Familiar folder

[craggy tangle]

could you double check Items/Consumable Types/Fortune/ for me then?

[craggy tangle]

okay.. 🤔

I'm on Linux so I'm not getting any of these issues. Did you pull from the git directly or download from a zip file?

[quick stone]

I downloaded the code from the github page as a zip file

[craggy tangle]

🤔

shit that's interesting

Has anyone else gotten this issue at all? Because this is something I can't replicate currently on my setup and it works fine

[frozen gazelle]

I don’t see in the code where the new consumables types are created but it’s hard to navigate on mobile

[craggy tangle]

    handle_name(curr_obj.name, Familiar_config)

    local should_load = false
    if type(curr_obj.name) == "string" then
        should_load = Familiar_config[curr_obj.name]
    elseif type(curr_obj.name) == "table" then
        for _, name in ipairs(curr_obj.name) do
            if Familiar_config[name] then
                should_load = true
                break
            end
        end
    end
    if should_load then
        if curr_obj.init then curr_obj:init() end

        if not curr_obj.items then
            print("Warning: curr_obj has no items")
        else
            for _, item in ipairs(curr_obj.items) do
                item.discovered = true
                if SMODS[item.object_type] then
                    SMODS[item.object_type](item)
                elseif CardSleeves and CardSleeves[item.object_type] then
                    CardSleeves[item.object_type](item)
                else
                    print("Error loading item "..item.key.." of unknown type "..item.object_type)
                end
            end
        end
    end
end```

that's the snippet itself for loading

[frozen gazelle]

I mean the actual consumable types

Like vigor says the set is Familiar_Tarots, but where is that defined?

[craggy tangle]

ohhhh

okok

            print("Warning: curr_obj has no items")
        else
            for _, item in ipairs(curr_obj.items) do
                item.discovered = true
                if SMODS[item.object_type] then
                    SMODS[item.object_type](item)
                elseif CardSleeves and CardSleeves[item.object_type] then
                    CardSleeves[item.object_type](item)
                else
                    print("Error loading item "..item.key.." of unknown type "..item.object_type)
                end
            end
        end
    end
end```

From what I understand of this code it's in this function, specifically SMODS[item.object_type]

Basically it takes object_type from the LUA file

like the individual ones

and makes a consumable based on that set

I could 100% be wrong since I never originally made this code, @strong plinth did

[frozen gazelle]

Yeah I understand that but, but what I mean is that these cards are a custom type, but I don’t see in the files anywhere where that custom type is created. Though I’m assuming that they show up in the collection for you just fine?

[craggy tangle]

Yeah they show up for me just fine

[frozen gazelle]

Can you search in the files for key = ‘Familiar_Tarots’?

[craggy tangle]

ofc gimme one sec

nvm I found it

    object_type = "ConsumableType",
    key = 'Familiar_Tarots',
    collection_rows = { 5,6 },
    primary_colour = HEX("2e3530"),
    secondary_colour = HEX("2e3530"),
    loc_txt = {
        collection = 'Fortune Cards',
        name = 'Fortune',
        label = 'Fortune',
        undiscovered = {
            name = "Not Discovered",
            text = {
                "Purchase or use",
                "this card in an",
                "unseeded run to",
                "learn what it does"
            },
        },
    },
}```

this is in The Broken.lua for some reason, I might try to see if I can just make a seperate definitions lua instead for these

to make it less fucking tedious to find

sorry for swearing

[frozen gazelle]

I think the problem might be of the order things are loaded then

[craggy tangle]

I can definitely see that

give me one second and I think I should have a fix

[frozen gazelle]

Or rather, this definition isn’t being created on trixies install

[craggy tangle]

i'm gonna try something rq

[frozen gazelle]

I also don’t understand why you’d ever load things on in this way but what’s done is done

[craggy tangle]

Personally I suggested it because I would rather have an individual file to edit when you have an issue rather then scouring through a 10,000 line lua file but that's just me

[frozen gazelle]

That’s not the problem

Separate files is fine, I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t have the relevant smods functions in the files

[craggy tangle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Again I didn't make this code originally, Snow did

Honestly it shouldn't be that bad of a change if I need to make it just to put it in main.lua with proper commenting

yknow what I should probably just do that

what am I talking about

@quick stone can you pull latest for me?

It should contain a fix (hopefully) for your crash

[craggy tangle]

I think it's the way Snow did it for config actually to make sure something can be properly disabled by only loading it in that specific folder, only problem is when you add new stuff and it loads out of order then the definitions don't load (I think)

it's jank but it works

[frozen gazelle]

It’s just jank and harder to read, you can optionally load the files based on your config

Hopefully the fix works though, though it might still be an issue on different systems depending on how they read the files

[craggy tangle]

Hopefully loading the first file in the folder should do the trick, I figure once Snow gets back from moving we can make a more permanent solution that works

[frozen gazelle]

Yeah, it just seems like trixies download isn’t reading that file it was originally in, there’s no other reason for it not to exist

[quick stone]

Did that, still crashes

[frozen gazelle]

in your appdata folder, do you have a config folder?

[quick stone]

would this be it?

Ah, I deleted the familiar.jkr and was able to open the game!

[frozen gazelle]

🎉

figured it could be something in there stopping it from loading properly

[quick stone]

And, doing a quick test, it looks like it's playing just fine with all my other mods too. Thanks for the help!

[craggy tangle]

no problem

thx eremel

[craggy tangle]

work in progress 👀

[scarlet basin]

what is this a familiar of?

[craggy tangle]

The fool

[scarlet basin]

oh nice

[craggy tangle]

only problem is I gotta find a way to define familiar counterparts to jokers. Thinking it could be a table atm

https://tenor.com/view/head-rub-rub-massage-stressed-annoyed-gif-11617816

[queen python]

You can take_ownership of all the jokers you made a counterpart for and add the jester version into their center.

[scarlet basin]

unrelated but here are all my current familiar suggestions

[queen python]

Then just check for that

[craggy tangle]

only problem I could see is, would it be logical and/or feasible to take ownership of all 150 jokers as time goes on and when we do get Familiar variants of all 150 without breaking other mods?

I know Cryptid takes ownership of some jokers already

[scarlet basin]

you know what'd be funny

ortalab for familiar

im joking of couse

opposite of paralells

and then make a familiar version of that

familiar-ception

[frozen gazelle]

I think a table where the keys are vanilla jokers and the values are a table of familiar joker keys should work

[plucky timber]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[craggy tangle]

That's what I was thinking as well, though I don't know how well it would work with multiple familiar versions of a joker

i.e we used to have Neopolitan and Strawberry for Ice Cream

[frozen gazelle]

Just have it select an element from the table

So it’d be a table of tables

[craggy tangle]

Yeah a nested table, I see

[idle palm]

Wouldn't a familiar fool be upside down?

[craggy tangle]

We already have an upside down fool for another set of consumables

the Broken

[idle palm]

Oh what's he do

[craggy tangle]

He basically makes a familiar counterpart of your last used consumable

This extends that idea to Jokers

So instead of creating a familiar consumable this will create a Jester of the Joker you select. If there's multiple it's gonna choose one at random.

I don't know if I would want it to destroy the original joker or not yet

[idle palm]

That makes sense

[idle palm]

It's a spectral, you definitely gotta destroy it

[craggy tangle]

[idle palm]

Because, I assume familiar judgement gives you a random familiar joker right?

[craggy tangle]

Nope

[idle palm]

Oh

[craggy tangle]

it's not exactly inverses

it's paralells

[idle palm]

What'd familiar judgement do then

[craggy tangle]

Creates a random consumable card

[idle palm]

So then what does familiar emperor do?

[craggy tangle]

emperor isn't in the mod yet but lemme find his suggestion

Converts up to 2 random vanilla Consumables you're holding into Familiar consumables, keeps their edition.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_bvXtlNMzct2wmc4qfgNcujN-gHmcIkd8uJKbFcQw-g/edit?gid=0#gid=0

This sheet has all the planned stuff

[idle palm]

Interesting, and strange

[craggy tangle]

Like for instance our Baseball Card variant instead gives xmult based on the rarity of the joker

so uncommons give x1.5, rare gives x2, and legendary gives x4

[idle palm]

That seems, more like a rework than a familiar tbh?

[craggy tangle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[idle palm]

Wait so

Hold on

Default baseball card is 1.5x per uncommon right

[craggy tangle]

I believe so

jestor investor also has a rarity bump to legendary btw

[idle palm]

So the familiar baseball card is 1.5x per uncommon,

And also 2x per rare and 4x oer legendary

[craggy tangle]

forgot to mention that part

[craggy tangle]

Yeah

[idle palm]

So the familiar is literally just a straight upgrade then

[craggy tangle]

In that case yes

There isn't necessarily a strict ruleset compared to like

ortalab

[idle palm]

I just feel like the mod is presenting itself as like, hey here are sidegrades to the stuff in the game

And most of the contents I've seen do stick to that

Like familiar emperor could give you anything, even spectrals, as a tradeoff for only getting one, I like that balance

So, idk I think that familiar baseball card is losing the vision that the rest of the mod seems to be carrying

[craggy tangle]

That's a valid concern

It's also one of the cards not implemented yet into the game

so we can change some stuff around

[idle palm]

Got time to workshop it then

[craggy tangle]

TBH there's a lot of time for a lot of stuff, the main dev for this mod (Snow) is busy so I wanna try and get some stuff in this mod and keep up development to also teach myself about balatro modding as a whole

[idle palm]

I mean if you want a relatively plain suggestion then "X1.5 mult per joker with an edition" could be an option

[craggy tangle]

That could work for sure

We can also do like xchips as well or a chip option

I recently just made Talisman a dependency to have easy and convienient scoring options for xchips along with like ^mult and stuff

[idle palm]

Oh yeah wait I think all Xmult familiars use Xchips instead right?

[craggy tangle]

Yes

[idle palm]

Like mathematically that doesn't actually change the game much but it's an aesthetic difference anyway

[craggy tangle]

so 1.5xchips for each Jester potentially could be a good balance

🤔

[idle palm]

Xchips = Xmult

They're 100% mathematically equivalent

[frozen gazelle]

there's ever so slight differences if you have it on individual scored card triggers

[idle palm]

That is the ONE nuance

Is order of operations

[frozen gazelle]

like if bloodstone was xchips it'd be every so slightly different

[idle palm]

Especially with foil editions on jokers

But broadly speaking Xchips = Xmult so you can't really flip one to the other and call that a good familiar, because it's just the same joker with different colored math

[craggy tangle]

I mean there's some fucking wild examples in there so you're technically right

case in point my favorite jester in this entire mod - con man

[idle palm]

Card sharp familiar?

[craggy tangle]

Showman

It's fucked for balance so I might need to rebalance him at some point but instead of finding duplicate jokers in the shop you basically automatically pay a fee at the end of the shop (starts at 10 dollars) to make a copy of a random joker or consumable at the end of the shop and it increases 2$ on each activation.

It also doesn't ignore the fact that you don't have enough money I think if you're in positive so it can put you in a net negative for $

Easily the best way to balance it is to change the $ amount increased from 2 to probably 5

[idle palm]

Wait wait wait wait

Even if your slots are full?

[craggy tangle]

Nah it respects slots

but if you have one or the other you can duplicate specifically a joker or a consumable

[idle palm]

Idk that I'd spend $10+ to duplicate a consumable ngl

[craggy tangle]

It's better with certain mods. Cryptid and Pointer come to mind

[idle palm]

Ok that really doesn't feel like a fair comparison lmao

[craggy tangle]

I usually play modded a lot so

that's my point of reference

[idle palm]

Sure sure just funny is all

[inner escarp]

Wow there was some talking up a storm here!

[idle palm]

I was curious about the fool?

Which led to me being curious about a chain of other things

[inner escarp]

Ah I see. I am also here to answer any questions. I will say some Familiar versions have effects that are more different than others

[idle palm]

I think the main thing I was raising an eyebrow at was baseball card's familiar being a direct upgrade

[inner escarp]

Yeah. Some of them are direct upgrades which usually does change the rarity for balance reasons.

For example I added a suggestiong for Turtle Bean which is Can of Baked Beans, being a rare food joker other than cavendish. Due to it being similar to the Pot of Jokes from Cryptid but having a cap at 20 handsize.

[idle palm]

Cavendish isn't rare btw

[inner escarp]

Wait am I stupid perhaps

[idle palm]

Yeh nah it's straight up common

[inner escarp]

You're thinking about Gros Michel

[idle palm]

Nope

They're both common

[inner escarp]

Really?

Huh. Weird

[idle palm]

I assume the reason behind this is so when you get gros michel to go extinct you have pretty good odds of actually finding Cavendish

Since it being rare would make it suuuuper hard to pull

[inner escarp]

Ah yeah guess I was insane

[idle palm]

Anyway

What's can of beans do

[inner escarp]

-2 hand size, increases by 1 at end of round. Caps at +20 hand size

[idle palm]

Wtf why's it go so high

28 cards is obscene

[inner escarp]

A little bit yeah. That is why its rare

[idle palm]

I feel like

+1 per boss defeated

[inner escarp]

Ill ofc balance it as needed. It IS just a suggestion.

[idle palm]

May have been a lil more relevant to the game state

Especially because like

-2 hand size barely matters if you're dealing with it for just 2 rounds, one of those rounds being just -1 in fact

Like it's almost redundant

[inner escarp]

I do like +1 per boss defeated alot better honestly.

[idle palm]

And then cap it at +5 to parallel the original bean

[inner escarp]

Sounds good yeah.

[idle palm]

Which, personally, I don't think would need to be rare anymore

[inner escarp]

Yeah which is alright

I think Uncommon might be good since it is just a full positive besides the startup of it.

[idle palm]

Mmmmhm

Also if I may propose a different name, I think Chickpea or Garbanzo Bean would be good

[inner escarp]

Chickpea it is then

[pearl harness]

has the funky issue with smeared joker been fixed?

well, it's more of an incompat, i think, but y'know

[inner escarp]

No idea

[dusky sapphire]

amathyst deck seems to not be working

[craggy tangle]

I would have to check that out

[clever plover]

the menu to enable/disable things just doesn't work
it says it wrks on restart but when i restart the game all the options continue to be checked

[worn mural]

Half queen

[idle palm]

"faded" I could see being an edition

dunno what it would do but I'm just betting you could do that with a shader

[quick stone]

I've got an odd problem: Stone cards are being scored as if they have ranks/suits. After disabling and enabling my mods, I found that this is only happening with Familiar. Any idea what could be causing this?

[junior owl]

yeah frot eh love of god they need to Fix this

[spring oxide]

Must be a lovely patch screwing it up

[junior owl]

But yeah I refuse to play til it's fixed

[craggy tangle]

Again snow is still moving I think

[north cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/sitting-alone-justin-bieber-ill-show-you-looking-get-a-view-gif-18498969

how it feels waitin for new items in this

[craggy tangle]

I'm on a balatro burnout and snow is gone

so uh

yeah

😛

[quaint swan]

huh

fair enough jsdhsdjh

*this huh was me looking at the code and not seeing an issue

oh nevermind there it is

i made a pull request if the mod dev is still around

but in the meantime uh!

this is what i did to fix the issue i hope

local get_idref = Card.get_id
function Card:get_id(base)
    local id = get_idref(self)
    if base == true then
        return self.base.id
    end
    if self.config.center == G.P_CENTERS.m_fam_split then
        for i = 1, #G.hand.highlighted do
            if G.hand.highlighted[i] == self then
                if i ~= 1 then
                    return G.hand.highlighted[i-1]:get_id(base)
                else
                    return 0
                end
            end
        end
    end
    if G.jokers then
        for i = 1, #G.jokers.cards do
            if G.jokers.cards[i].ability.name == "j_fam_smudged_jester" then
                if id == 3 then
                    return 8
                elseif id == 6 then
                    return 9
                elseif id == 13 then
                    return 14
                end
            end
        end
    end
    return id
end

replacing the original hook

[primal jackal]

@strong plinth
Gotta do my thing, y'know?

[junior owl]

What happened

NVM I scrolled up a little bit I saw snows moving

[hasty heron]

lol how do i downoad this?

[tame lion]

check pinned comments

[pallid skiff]

is thinktank supposed to copy the ability of the rightmost joker twice?

[pale jewel]

Hello! How can I get this mod?

[tame lion]

pinned messages

[nimble coral]

Is there gonna be an update? Was intrigued by the mod still

[craggy tangle]

@nimble coral uhhhh two main things

1. Main dev is moving

2. I have no coding experience beyond very basic stuff for Balatro and am in a burnout

Stuff is on a hiatus at this time I would say realistically but once RattlingSnow is done moving content will probably resume

[nimble coral]

I see

[craggy tangle]

Yeah I’ve been mostly doing bug fixes and like small updates to make sure shit works still along with like making Talisman a dependency

[worn mural]

Damn 😔

Sad to see a similar mod never get finished

[craggy tangle]

I still have to add that suit fix

[craggy tangle]

What

It’s not never going to be finished

What are you talking about

[craggy tangle]

^ refer to this

[worn mural]

So it isn't over yet?

[craggy tangle]

Not that I know of no

[strong plinth]

Yea its not over yet, i'm just stuck in a hotel atm. So i don't have a house nor my pc yet.

[craggy tangle]

🙇

he's back

for now

[craggy tangle]

Any updates on when the move will be complete?

@quaint swan should have merged your PR btw

[strong plinth]

no i dont have much information myself, just a waiting game atm