[INACTIVE FORUM] JEN'S COLLECTION

[barren gull]

cryptid

whens the last time you've updated Talisman

[floral birch]

ah yea I may be playing old version since I'm on the one compatible with jen's

[barren gull]

are you playing jens 0.0.7 still lmao

[floral birch]

this lol

[barren gull]

that should lbe compatible with new talisman? maybe try downloading the modpack

[floral birch]

i'll download the new talisman

[barren gull]

alr

[sweet parrot]

whats that calculating mod?

[sand socket]

Talisman

[sweet parrot]

oh thats new to it then

[haughty bane]

Can't wait for Talisman to have planet coprocessing

[raven finch]

is there a way to use the latest version of cryptid with almanac?

[stiff moss]

where do i get the download? it got pulled off github

[still zephyr]

#⚙・modding-general message

[celest lantern]

how do i upgrade jen? if thats possible still? i have her and the godsmarble, but the fuse thing isnt letting me fuse them?

[haughty bane]

check your money

Also, make sure you're in an area where you can use the fusion ability

[lapis bough]

You need like

10k moneys

[ripe gulch]

i'm male.

[celest lantern]

I was not aware, I'm sorry.

[cosmic kayak]

my mod menu in game says i need jens lua the aructio and incantation anybody got gethub links

*lib

[lapis bough]

Uh look in this channel for the releases

[pure jetty]

this is my first run of this mod what the hell

don't even want to know what will happen if i play another 2

[pure jetty]

I left this hand running in the background, its at 1e8 calculations and ee50k mult

[autumn haven]

EXPONENTIAL GROWTH OH GOD

[silver sierra]

I found that Incantation messes up DX planets from Deluxe Tarots; they only increase hands by one level instead of two. Any idea what's going on with that?

[sonic cove]

average run around here

[pure jetty]

Yeah, the card I played had a ^1.13 effect on mult each trigger
And I had over 20 million retriggers

If I played a 2 and somehow moved on to the next hand... I would get e100000 retriggers...

[pure jetty]

just picked up a planet and this happened

[pure jetty]

what fusions are there other than jen?

[pure jetty]

most normal run

[raw tinsel]

How do I install this on Linux?

Heck, where do I go to download all of it?

[pure jetty]

Some stuff is seriously wrong with the rng here, Trade is appearing in every spectral(i got an ethereal tag which got duped by all those quintuple tags) and crashes whenever i use it. I've had other runs of cards always appearing in every shop reroll for 15+ rerolls like Enceladus, Orcus and temperance i think

[lapis bough]

Do you have like all the spectrals in ur tray

If so they're all blocking themselves in the packa

[pulsar jacinth]

how do i download the mod I cant seem to figure it out

[empty dagger]

cryptid discord

[mild sonnet]

this happens when i use a supercharged card, help

please?

ive been trying for 30 minutes.

i cant do this. im sorry i have to ping you.

@ripe gulch

nvm i did it

ALSO GOT MY FIRST 2M SCORE YEA BABY

and my first 8.598e28 score

[haughty bane]

Where is your Xmult_mod.ogg

Also, why are you on 0.0.7

[lavish yoke]

is there a list anywhere of all the Jens Almanac fusions you can make with the Gods marble joker

[autumn haven]

give me but a moment

all almanac fusions
jumpscare

[lavish yoke]

you the goat

has anyone ever gotten Jen Walter, Wondergeist of Omegaomnipotence

[prisma granite]

yeah

[serene jolt]

quick question about that uhhh it wouldnt let me fuse kallamar... idk if it was because i was using gemini to buff kallamar but you can see here it says no recipe

[mild sonnet]

huh

[autumn haven]

OH YEAH THATS RIGHT

there's a weird bug in the code

kalamar's fusion requires kalamar's fusion in its recipe xD

so you can't really get it

[mild sonnet]

where can i find the mod that adds joker abilities

[haughty bane]

Get 0.1.0 OT4

[serene jolt]

thats pretty funny ngl but that is very sad for kallamar

[pure jetty]

hey do you think im good to take on ante 1 now

anyway i wish there was a mod to mass skip booster packs because the number of spectral tags i have right now might be beyond human comprehension

[lapis bough]

512 cards 😭

[haughty bane]

Please add cartomancer

Also, I have heard that Jen might make it so booster pack tags instead create the booster pack in your consumable tray

[pure jetty]

yes please
or at least do that over a margin like if you have more than 20 pending booster tags

i love how you pointed out the 512 cards but not the 25000 joker slots

[ripe gulch]

25000 joker slots is normal for almanac

[mild sonnet]

what does that mean

[haughty bane]

Newest Almanac

[mild sonnet]

thanks

[lapis bough]

I mean can't you get e 100 joker slots with the cult of the lamb godsmarble fusion

[pure jetty]

I had a possible way of getting many more cards but decided against it

(i also had omega somethingorother that changed all clubs to exotics and im terrified of what would happen if i played one)

(this is my third run of the mod)

[serene jolt]

How the heck do you get wondrous jokers?

Ive never seen one in the shop ever

[grizzled cape]

It's basically Exotics but even more stupid, you have to be lucky enough to find Yaewtag, which is an even more harsh version of Gateway.

[lapis bough]

Imma be honest some of the exotics and even legendaries are better than wondrous jokers (I'm looking at you booster pack generator and Maxie)

[ripe gulch]

perkeo is the reason why maxie and arin are wondrous

[lapis bough]

i can see why but getting an early yawetag and gettinmg them kinda sucks sometimes

i say as a person who never uses early yawatag and always pointer a saint

[ripe gulch]

wondrous jokers are pretty reliant on other jokers if you want to get far with them

don't expect a wondrous joker to singlehandedly carry you

[lapis bough]

Yea I know

I did get a run with kosmos tho (and then I hard locked the run with -nan money)

[hearty folio]

this mod is a "fry your pc" simulator

[haughty bane]

hehe you can perkelate the booster packs

[lapis bough]

Mhm yes yes

[autumn haven]

interesting

[serene jolt]

If i can be honest… most of the wonderous jokers arent good… (considering the debuffs of yawetag) like maybe 2-3 are great but the others dont feel worth it (the 2 that are good are gaming chair and PO3)

[lapis bough]

The best jokers are pthe fusions and then like exotics

[waxen raft]

Hi sorry if im asking a dumb question I just got done downloading all of the files required for jens almanac and the ones that make it better and was wondering if the full Jens Almanac file was in here or if all of the mods i downloaded are jens almanac

[haughty bane]

I mean, you can try launching the game and seeing if it is there

[covert vigil]

iirc the folder for jen's almanac is just called "jen"

[glass mesa]

that was my post yesterday (on my phone now abt to get off work) i scrolled up and downloaded the new jen almanac but it kept saying decencies missing even tho i had everything and was wondering what i did wrong

ill send a screenshot of my mod folder if anyone can help me when i get home

[glass mesa]

*dependencies

[steel herald]

no it required jester

like the card named jester i think

iirc

morefluff card

also fuck mb that was an old message

[steel herald]

download the modpack from the cryptid discord

that'll include everything

iirc it requires incantation

[haughty bane]

That's an old version of Almanac

update

[steel herald]

yeh after you do download that modpack get the lovely.toml file for OT4 and replace the one in the jen folder with that one

[sweet parrot]

is there a way to see jen joker fusions without trying them all

[foggy lion]

How does one set Nopeus to properly show speed options?

[ripe gulch]

if you have brainstorm installed, it overwrites nopeus and prevents it from showing more options in the settings menu

[undone nymph]

where did the funny jokers go like Jen Walter? (sorry for ping)

or did i instal something not correctly

[grizzled cape]

Why are you responding to a July message? 💀

[undone nymph]

why not 💀 i wanted to show what jokers i mean but yeah 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[grizzled cape]

They should still be in the mod, lmao.

[undone nymph]

yeah well not for me and i dont know whats wrong

[grizzled cape]

What did you install, then?

[undone nymph]

well this is my library (and yes its in the right folder)

(i have also replaced the smods-main with the old-calc vers)

[undone nymph]

any ideas?

[grizzled cape]

I don't think that's the modlist that Jen had shown with the Early Access 0.1 pack.

[undone nymph]

well all the mods that are needed (on github) are installed and a few more, does it just not function if i have different mods installed or what?

[undone nymph]

or do i need to install a certain version?

[grizzled cape]

#1279364322195144766 message
#1279364322195144766 message

[undone nymph]

its working holy moly, thanks haha

[fiery nymph]

does this work with the latest Cryptid ver btw

just in case

[serene jolt]

Was just wondering if i am on the latest vers. idk how to tell easily but here are all the mods i have on

i guess while im here im also gonna ask how do you get kosmos?

[vague ferry]

I'm trying to install Nopeus and anytime I click a card it crashes

[floral birch]

i'm sorry what?

[haughty bane]

You ran out of money

And you had NotJustYet most likely

[floral birch]

but I won, I beat the 10k blind by getting 42k

wild

[floral birch]

dear god

huh that's actually unbeatable

that's rather frustrating

[grizzled cape]

Yup, that actually managed nuke me with my build as well.

Best solution is to roll back before it and sell off a bunch of scoring Jokers. Or Luche/Chicot/Boss Rerolling.

[floral birch]

Yeah I don't have a mod for rolling back but going to now that was my best ever run it's insane

[solemn mantle]

or just, disable cruelblinds..?

[serene jolt]

thats too ez tho lol

[ripe gulch]

you need to score like double-es to beat it regardless

because there's a point where multiplication will literally do nothing, so you just win the blind regardless

[floral birch]

Didn't know that was a thing

[hardy dagger]

Anyone got the file for Jen's Almanac?

[sly osprey]

do i win balatro?

[haughty bane]

No

[sly osprey]

🍇

[empty dagger]

Unless you somehow max out the omeganum score

[cosmic saffron]

The jokers don't appear in the collection but the voucher does, I think I installed it right

[floral birch]

holy

ante 6

and one of the cards played gave a double tag when triggered...

as soon as I find the negative tag it's gonna be insane

oh good god it already triggered for voucher tag

[lapis bough]

o

[floral birch]

I think I found a glitch

it's still going

all I did was redeem the omega voucher

huh

why so mant decimal places

[lapis bough]

id suggest not taking the omega voucher, as it not only takes 5 years to redeem, they also make anything you do also take 5 years

[floral birch]

yeahh, especially with the selling things

[haughty bane]

Intentional

[fiery nymph]

chat

how do i even install this

cuz

i wanna install it together with Cryptid

and UnStable

[raven finch]

redeems previous versions

[floral birch]

Yeah, I guess the previous versions level up hands intrinsically

[raven finch]

pretty much upgrades adjacent hands, levels up when selling, create planet card when selling, levels up when leveling down and others

[floral birch]

This is a bad idea

wow talisman really is baller with its calculating update

is there a way to make events go faster with cards like business card

i have skip animation and it's rigged but takes a whilee

also what does the straddle screen mean it's so weird

[sturdy rover]

faster ante scaling

[floral birch]

Oh lord

What am I doing to cause it

Overscoring so much?

[covert vigil]

it happens every time the ante changes in endless mode

[floral birch]

Neat

[floral birch]

it has been 10 minutes

[floral birch]

shoudln't there be like a merge button here?

or something

[covert vigil]

that's been updated
fusion is now an ability card in your consumables area

[floral birch]

ah I see, huh I was wondering how i'm supposed to get exotics right now it's just sorta hope there's a booster pack for them if there isn't go to next ante wait a minute for it to calculate etc

wait so I just have to memorize what jokers can be merged and manually select them? that's, quite unfortunate with negative deck huh

[hollow knoll]

when i try to open the Equilibrium Deck I get an error about "common_events.lua"

[torpid maple]

Can anyone tell me how to install OT4 Modpack? My game keeps crashing on launch

[thorny epoch]

how do i download it

wheres the link for it

[solemn mantle]

cryptid discord

[jagged grail]

its a cryptid thing, doesn't have anything to do with jen's mods
happens with magic deck too

[pallid cypress]

Can anyone help me?

[pallid cypress]

nvm. fixed it.

[floral birch]

you are a legend mate

actually a life saver

[autumn haven]

oh i didn't make this

i just got it from the faq

gimme a second

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15G4EvZdbH_8brmgg25UU4oGppRgj65dJJamWX2RcdFY/edit?tab=t.0

[floral birch]

hell yeah

wow can't copy paste save or print and it's in the recycling bin of owner, better screenshot this

for posterity

lmao

[turbid moat]

Where’s the download link for this mod

[sturdy rover]

discord.gg/cryptid

[pure jetty]

WHAT

[haughty bane]

Yes

[autumn haven]

jen walter: NOOOOO!!! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO OBEY ME!!
the 7 stone straddle cards:

[pure jetty]

conduit is easily the strongest non-omega spectral

[pure jetty]

wait what? you can still get naneinf in money?

conduit is pretty cool

[pure jetty]

also is it just me or does omnipotent wondergeist crash with literally nothing else whenever i play any hand(i have tahitiede 1)

it also crashes when i sell hermit apparently
is it to do with the money?

[flint kite]

Hullo, I downloaded the mod recently and I’m having fun finding all the secrets and stuff

I have a question about one joker in particular, one that’s probably been asked before, The Sigil

I figured it’s probably something to do with the godsmarble and the Jen joker, but now I’ve worked so hard to get the wondergeist of omegaomnipotence and an extra godsmarble for nothin.

I’d just like a small hint, is Jen related to how to get the Sigil?

[lapis bough]

Nan money is fine just don't get negative Nan money cuz it locks you out of the run if u ever leave it

[pure jetty]

then whats wrong

[lapis bough]

Im not sure

Is it hard crashing or is it error log crashing

[pure jetty]

error log

i closed it but can get it back up

[covert vigil]

iirc the sigil just plain isn't available yet

unless there's been a relevant update since i last checked. which was a while ago

[lapis bough]

It probably isn't money because when I got Nan money nothing happened

So it's prob like one of the jokers

[pure jetty]

before crash looks like this

selected card and owned consumables don't matter

error log is this

crash happens if i play the hand or sell hermit

[covert vigil]

and yeah, money is still a regular floating point number in this version of talisman
the version that makes it a bignum has a breaking error in it, so cryptid won't use it

[flint kite]

Well...heck

And I went to all this trouble

Kosmos and Ultra Jen in the same run for nuttin

Well, does anyone know what the ‘straddle’ thing that keeps popping up means at least?

[covert vigil]

ante go faster

you may benefit from reading the almanac faq, which can be found in the cryptid discord #1330933860988485672

[flint kite]

Thank

Oh ok gotcha

Useful info

Rn I’m working on getting Kosmos and Ultra Jen together

[grizzled cape]

||You can no longer make them feel uneasy. 😭||

[flint kite]

Idk what that means

[flint kite]

Uneasy?

Also

I'm the best

Ignore me having to do this on a second run

[grizzled cape]

||In the pre-0.1 era, there was a fusion of Ultra Jen and Kosmos into Godsmos, and that was a reference to their line. It is unfortunately gone. 😔 ||

[flint kite]

D:

What did it do?

[grizzled cape]

Basically Ultra Jen currently and Kosmo's old effect, but with {} instead of power, as a placeholder for the new effect that Kosmos has.

[flint kite]

What was the old effect?

I only started playing this a couple days ago

[lapis bough]

66{666}mult and chips iirc for each hand level

And also retriggers each joker six times

[half swan]

pls help wheres the mod

[autumn haven]

on the cryptid discord

[ripe dune]

or on the top

[novel gust]

wsg

[ripe gulch]

JenLib

0.3.5

New function jl.ctu(set)

• Counts the total number of times consumables from a specific set have been used. (ex. jl.ctu('tarot') will get the number of times a tarot has been used in the run)
• Not case-sensitive; 'TAROT', 'tarot', 'Tarot', 'TaRoT', etc, will all work the same
  New function QR(fc, count, de, t, tr, bl, ba)
• Calls a recursive Q() function, can help with queuing events to happen later than ongoing events

[ripe gulch]

Aurinko

0.4.12

Added Aurinko global table, currently only contains one value; VerboseMode, defaults to false

• Set to true to show hand change animations if it's applied secretly, false to hide
  Removed a needless event queue call that was causing event queue bloat

[ripe gulch]

Aurinko

0.4.13

Oops

[untold nest]

is downloading jens almanac not avaliable right now?

[ripe gulch]

the most recent open playtest version is available on the cryptid discord

[long coral]

where's jens alamanac?

[haughty bane]

Join Cryptid Server

[long coral]

which channel?

[haughty bane]

Almanac-Versions

[long coral]

i cant find it

[haughty bane]

You're not in the cryptid server

[swift pasture]

youre supposed to download https://github.com/jenwalter666/JensBalatroCollection?tab=readme-ov-file right?

i added it to my mods folder but it didn't add anything new

[haughty bane]

you need to go to almanac-versions and download almanac there

in the cryptid server

[swift pasture]

where do i put that zip file

nvm i got it

[sharp veldt]

where can i find valid recipes?

[empty dagger]

watch if the joker's description seems... off

[vague nest]

what the fuck am I doing, I just get a chromatic saturn and my game dies

[tardy skiff]

crash with OT5

[sturdy rover]

put this in discord.gg/cryptid https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1285645497717096468

[safe notch]

hi, really appreciate the mods. is there any way to stop incantation from automatically stacking consumables? (i.e. they remain unstacked unless I manually stack them). sorry if this is the wrong place to ask

[haughty bane]

Why would you want that?

[safe notch]

just a matter of personal preference, when I'm doing observatory runs, for example, I like watching the animation until it gets to be a little too long, then I'd like to stack the consumables.

[steady zephyr]

why does incantation have its own perkeo

are there like 2 now or does it disable the other one from being found whats up with that

[haughty bane]

It's so it doesn't copy the entire stack

[covert vigil]

taking ownership normally puts your mod badge on the thing
i guess incantation never disabled that. i don't know how long the option to not do that has existed

[haughty bane]

Well if you're playing Jen's Almanac it has the Almanac badge instead since Almanac has an override too

[hollow bone]

do we know when the next jens version is coming out so i can play it on the latest version

[haughty bane]

There is an Open Test released today

It's in the cryptid discord server

[haughty oasis]

do yall know where i can find jen's almanac since the modpack doesnt have it anymore?

[vestal moth]

？

discord.gg/cryptid

[haughty bane]

It's in #almanac-versions in cryptid

[haughty oasis]

thank yu

[bitter river]

So, it's still in Open Test right? Because it needs old Cryptid.

[bitter river]

Are you testing it too? Cause I probably wait.

[steady zephyr]

does that like mess with stat tracking because its not using the vanilla one or what

[haughty bane]

[random pond]

Any idea on what to do about this?

Nvm

Literally just added a 9

[steady zephyr]

it doesnt it looks like

[visual harbor]

do you know how to fix this?

[random pond]

open the lovely.toml in notepad or vs code or similar code editor and add a '9' to the priority line

[hollow bone]

is there any way to turn off straddling in the modpack

[covert vigil]

yeah, edit jen.lua, ctrl+f "straddle", and change true to false

[pearl reef]

been getting a crash when using blurred planets that seems to be from aurinko

[haughty bane]

I don't think Aurinko is designed for better calc

[dapper pivot]

to be clear almanac isnt fully up to date right?

just curious

[tall falcon]

nope, gotta use old calc or...

https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1334129453642547280 this

[dapper pivot]

is that a link to cryptid server

gotta leave a server holdo n

[tall falcon]

ya

[delicate wraith]

is the new jens alamanac out yet

[tall falcon]

supremeleaderniko

[tall falcon]

no that's an unofficial fix, sort of

it's very experimental and pretty laggy tbh

[sand socket]

https://discord.gg/QPN98RQQgd
by the way, Almanac has moved to its own discord server now

[haughty bane]

It's now discord.gg/almanac

We got level 3 in just 2 hours haha

[long coral]

and now in the literal almanac server

[glacial mantle]

For some reason my incantation's config appears as error, I've tried reinstalling(both just redownloading the lua as well as full clean reinstall by verifying game files)

Is there a way to fix this?

[sweet tulip]

hmm where is the Almanac mod?

[reef knot]

Being worked on for new update.

Just hang on a bit more.

Join the Discord server to see progress.

[sweet tulip]

aha oki! Can't wait, seems like a fun mod

[vague ferry]

Incantation doesn't seem to work with the voucher "Observatory" that adds a 1.5X Mult per planet card.

[red anvil]

idk if this is known, but i just found a bug with aurinko where if you use a editioned planet, then later a normal edition, the normal edition is taking away from the value that the last planet's edition changed

i'm fairly certain i'm not touching planet functionality in any of my other mods

are planet cards setting chip/mult values to specific values for their level, rather than adding to them or

[analog viper]

I cant get the mod to work?

It says im missing nopeus but i have it

[keen ermine]

can someoéne give me almanac I nver played it and I wanted to play for a whole month now

nvm I found it

[covert vigil]

is nopeus enabled and the correct version?

[ripe gulch]

the version of aurinko you're using is out of date

[red anvil]

nope. my version of aurinko is the current version. as a sanity check, i removed and redownloaded it from github, still does it.

[ripe gulch]

i fixed it a while back, i don't know why it's here again

actually i might know what's going on

it is working, it's just not accounting for mult that's already been provided by existing levels

[harsh sphinx]

Jen I installed Jen’s almanac with my already installed cryptid or do I need to delete cryptid?

Do i**

[haughty bane]

Delete the old cryptid

[red anvil]

yep.
new clip of it for further proof - something particular to note is that this happened right off the bat off of loading a save

[red anvil]

a fun thing i found about aurinko that i don't think is intentional - if you have burnt joker with an edition, it applies the edition to the upgraded hand

[haughty bane]

That is 100% intentional

Burnt joker is instigating the hand level up, and thus its edition applies

[red anvil]

nice

[tepid escarp]

neat

[ripe gulch]

[INACTIVE FORUM] JEN'S COLLECTION

NOT ACTIVE

I'm no longer active here. All activity is now taking place in my own Discord server.

discord.gg/polterworx

[tepid escarp]

may i have some of your mods?

[fresh ingot]

Oh you want almanac?

[echo dust]

I want jens almanac old version

[paper phoenix]

no

[haughty bane]

Not happening

[covert vigil]

hey someone who already has this downloaded, what's the key for Tuskallisetkäsiraudat
checks wiki and also The Solo, actually

[haughty bane]

You can find it in the lua

[covert vigil]

yes but i don't have the lua. because i don't have this mod downloaded

[haughty bane]

I don't remember which is which

but the epic blinds' keys are just epic<blind>

so like epicox

[copper marten]

Is there a spreadsheet of all fusion combos yet?

[grizzled cape]

:(

I havn't even been much into Balatro lately, but...damn, that announcement still sucks to see.

[ashen plaza]

I understand not having the motivation to continue but.. why take them down??

its. stupid??

especially the collection, whats the point??

[haughty bane]

Jen's philosophy on why the mods were taken down: "if i don't feel welcome, my mods don't feel welcome either"
This should tell you why the mods were taken down.

[limber ivy]

hey i can't download mod can any one give me file

[echo mulch]

you can find it on reddit

[limber ivy]

oh thanks

[tepid escarp]

shame its gone

[candid tendon]

what happened to Jen Walter?

[covert vigil]

that, approximately

it's from a few months ago but it's the cancellation announcement for the mod

(unless some new recent thing has happened, in which case idfk, i was never actively following polterworx stuff)

[haughty bane]

The mod is not coming back still

[tepid escarp]

yes

[north ice]

sad

[north ice]

Are there no mod files left at all?

[tepid escarp]

Only on some people's pc

[north ice]

okey

[pine gulch]

why couldnt they just keep the mod active just not update it?

[covert vigil]

he absolutely could do that
he decided not to, though

[tepid escarp]

I thought it was explained like what?
10 seconds a scrolling up

[haughty bane]

If you can read, you'd know why

[tepid escarp]

98

[grizzled cape]

I really do think completely taking down the mod was a bit much.

Oh well, at least we have Entropy as a semi-replacement.

(I am still staying in the Discord, though, in case it might take a return for a true archive...rn, they're doing GMod stuff.)

[tepid escarp]

I dont want to think entropy as that

[grizzled cape]

Given that it has a defined rarity above Exotic and reintroduces both Tetration and the need for Omeganum into scoring, it's going to at least draw comparisons.

[echo mulch]

Yeah but so far the devs haven't stolen assets or shadow banned people so

[muted anvil]

👆 ☝️ ⬆️

[cerulean cloak]

did i miss smt?

where do i get almanac?

i was told good mod but idk where get

[haughty bane]

It hasn't been avalible to download for months

[unique wren]

The creator said they discontinued the development

As well as removed any way to download it

And will sue anyone who reupload it

It's over, move on

[humble idol]

Don't think they said that, but the did remove the github download and all download that were sent on discord (Or at least in the Polterworx server and here.)

[trail heath]

yea they didn't but they really hate peeps sending the mod. Altho something we have is not something they own, so they don't legally have any ownership over the mod. I did get banned from the server by trying to covertly share the mod with some peeps.

[haughty bane]

Don't know why people still disrespect Jen's wishes

[humble pelican]

yeah

people keep uploading it to places

[fallow vale]

That's simply because it's the equivalent of a child saying that they are taking their toys and going home, can't force people to just give up a fun thing because the creator wants to scorch earth it

[haughty bane]

It was a passion project, not a toy

[shut island]

I’d say the perpetual reuploads are merely another flavor of the Streisand Effect

[covert vigil]

i mean in terms of legal ownership, no, having files on your computer doesn't mean you own them, that's not how it works. legally, jen owns the mod he created and has the right to forbid others from distributing it
(practical ability to actually stop people is, of course, an entirely different story. this is not what i would do with a mod i wanted to wash my hands of)

[fallow vale]

That's, not really how the legality works, jen does not own the mod, they own the ideas with the mod, since the mod is a derivative of balatro, it's in legal jargon not jen's to dictate who uses the mod. It would be up to the Eula of balatro as a whole.

[covert vigil]

nah, the copyright of an unauthorized derivative work does in fact belong to its creator, not the owner of the work from which it derives; thunk has the right to shut down mods if he likes, but he can't take them as his own

(not that he would)

to the extent that pwx is a distinct work from balatro, it's a work owned by jen

same way nintendo can c&d all those fangames, but they can't turn around and sell them
(and nintendo would, if they could)

[dusky belfry]

hey so im not really into all the legal stuff, and ive never played the mod, and what im about to say might be totally not ok for the situation (maybe?) but i just wanted to ask, if this is even a place which is okay to ask for, the story of the mod? like, yknow, the "true ending" and stuff, why the characters are what they are and their names, and sorry if this upsets anyone for saying this after all jen has gone through, but if someone could just tell me about it i'd be really happy

again, i cant put it into words and i dont think anything i say could really convey what i feel for jen walter, but in the simplest way i know, i feel bad for them, i dont think anybody should go through what they did, and i may not know everything about what happened, but i wanted to say this

maybe saying all this stuff is completely useless and has no meaning but if anyone truly cares about what i think about this, i wanted to say it for them to see it

just for the record, im a 15 year old teenager, so if you have something to say to me about what i just said just keep that in mind

[haughty bane]

As someone who is entrenched in the mod (I was literally a joker in the mod) I have absolutely no idea what the story is or if there even is one

[covert vigil]

there was some concept of lore
it was never really all that well defined; the most relevant information i ever saw was in the guidelines for submitting your ocs to the mod

or, well, the parts we saw weren't well defined
it was probably more extensive in jen's notes and head

[muted anvil]

Technically it's not entirely Jen's mod, a majority of textures come from players and some are from other mods, it's a community mod, it's not a work owned by Jen, it's an union of several works by the community. Remember that well.

[covert vigil]

that does complicate the copyright status, sure
i'm not sure how precisely ownership of a collaborative work... works, in the absence of a formal agreement on the subject (which i'm assuming to be the case here, since otherwise this conversation on who owns the mod would've been a lot shorter :v )

my initial point still stands, though; the mod belongs to its creator(s), and downloading the files doesn't confer ownership upon its users

[haughty bane]

Balatro had that issue when making localization because initially it was community driven, until it became a problem

But the mod is still owned by Jen, and the people who sprited their assets own their assets, which can be removed from the mod if they wish for them to be removed

[covert vigil]

which is definitely complicated by the mod no longer being available

I'm not even sure if Jen still has his local copy

[haughty bane]

The asset I made can be used in whatever I want regardless of what happened to the mod

I chose to submit it to the mod, and it got added, but at any time I could ask to have it removed

For any reason

[covert vigil]

sure, that's a right you have, assuming you didn't sign it away as part of submission. i don't actually remember what the submission process looked like other than the "characters can only be terrified (not another emotion) when you score stupid big numbers" rule

which i think was a different part

[haughty bane]

There was nothing legally binding that prevented you from having your assets pulled

All you have to do is ask Jen, and he will remove the asset(s) in the next version

[earnest herald]

?
balatro's localization has always been outsourced to various translators by the publisher
it's never been "community-driven" outside of a single day about a year ago when they launched Crowdin and then took it down the next day after overwhelming backlash

the "problem" with crowdin was a misunderstanding between people responsible for balatro and the community

[earnest herald]

The backlash and accusations of trying to cut costs on localization were completely undeserved, considering Crowdin is something used by developers much bigger than localthunk (for example Mojang and Valve), but Crowdin was still taken down to stay in good graces with the community

[earnest herald]

the closest thing to "copyright issues caused by community-driven localization" was when the creator of the ProperRussian mod told people to not copy-paste from their mod onto Crowdin, but i don't remember if that was an actual issue they had or if it was a preventative measure

unless i missed similar incidents during the short-lived existence of balatro crowdin

[daring turret]

Me when Jen takes me to court for sharing his mod (his lawyer is Dandy from Dandy's World):

[covert vigil]

yeah, "what someone has the legal right to do" and "what someone can actually, practically, do" are very often not the same :v

[mild valley]

How did this forum get active

[covert vigil]

i have an annoyingly strong viewpoint on how copyright works (not to be confused with my different, equally annoying stance on how it should work)

[haughty bane]

Ah I misremembered how long it was, my bad

[haughty bane]

I think that copyright is a clown show and is one of the most abused systems to stiffle innovation

[covert vigil]

true!

[haughty bane]

I'm not going to create a 12 paragraph tirade about how copyright law is a genuine detriment to this world, just watch EmpLemon's videos on it

[echo mulch]

sounds like someone doesn't know what copyright is for

[mild valley]

Copyright?

[long coral]

o7

[fallow vale]

Legally incorrect but ok, it's really up to the community online

[covert vigil]

legally incorrect but ok

[fallow vale]

That's my line

[verbal osprey]

i dont see how anything minty said is incorrect

[daring turret]

M

[haughty bane]

M is dead

I killed hi

[humble idol]

legally distinct but ok. (capital letters & punctuation)

[hard rampart]

I get his not active here, but how you get to his server

[haughty bane]

It doesn't exist

[hard rampart]

Darn everything gone?

[muted anvil]

No wonder, his server was doomed.

[hard rampart]

Why what happened

[humble idol]

Most people were there for the mod, member count went down by like 40000 or something (dont remember exactly).

[silk bloom]

who would have seen that coming

[haughty bane]

Prominent modding figures in the Balatro modding community pushed Jen out pretty much

[gilded reef]

Also accusations of art theft

And Polterworx was too much, even by cryptid standards

If you ask me, the lack of M jokers was the main culprit

[hard rampart]

This all very intriguing

[haughty bane]

This was acknowleged and remedied, but it was never let go of

[safe scroll]

Yeah I never understood why he kept getting bashed for despite fixing his mistakes

[sinful oasis]

how do i download the freakin mod

@sand socket yo can i get a new invite

[hard rampart]

Someone has to have a copy of it

[noble wadi]

well it goes against jen's wishes to redistribute or do anything with so probably won't be around for long if it is up

[mighty mango]

It’s been up for a while, wdym

[mighty mango]

Mathisfun is MIA basically. Just google for like archive or something

They got everything on there

[hard rampart]

Oh I see I didn't know it was against them wishes to not be redistribute then I understand

[sinful oasis]

alright

i dont think it works with new version of smm

[tepid escarp]

no, dont do that
just like, dont try to install it idfk

[haughty bane]

The mod is incredibly outdated as this point and is entirely unplayable with anything new

Unless you get the exact correct mods, it won't even work

[tepid escarp]

oh yeah, its in the "earlier this year" section of my files

[haughty bane]

Crazy that people still want the mod

[valid shadow]

go play Mayhem

you can pretty much say Mayhem is Polterworx's descendant

even the fact that the majority of both mods' codebase is stored within a single file

[tepid escarp]

crazy?

[vague mountain]

That's outdated information, mayhem is split into modules now

[queen path]

it would probably be easier for people to make their own crazy broken mods at this point than to attempt to get pwx working considering how outdated it is now

[tepid escarp]

Actually im pretty sure someone is trying to remake almanac effectively

Not exact effects

But very similar ideas and jokers

[spark frigate]

I'm pretty sure there were patches that made polterworx work but even then, those patches are probably outdated by now too lol
Just make your own Polterworx at this point

[tepid escarp]

thats what iso is doing

honestly, if you want some content and you cant have it, make it

modding is fun and I think more people should do it, it also could reduce the ammount of "alManaEc wHere"

[noble wadi]

it's just unfortunately a little hard to get into imo

but thankfully jokerforge is starting to make things easier which I guess is kinda controversial to some

[mighty mango]

This is why we need an "Almanac-Inspired" mod

Y'know what.

I may as well do something about it to scratch that itch

[haughty bane]

I saw one recently

People in the stream video said it reminded them of it

but man it just does not compete with what PWX does

also it has this high scoring effect that makes the game unreadable

[next scaffold]

you have like a billion projects wdym another one 😭

[mighty mango]

Ik ik

But i’m making it open to all to help build a new one as long as it’s not using preexisting jokers/effects from this

I got 2 projects i’m gonna work on tho.

[vague mountain]

I don't want to compete with polterworx
Mayhem is not supposed to make the game suffer and be purposefully broken. Yes, hyperoperations are nearly objectively unbalanced and the mod is not even close to vanilla+, but I'm not going out of my way to make it just forcefeed the player OP stuff. Getting to the hyperoperations, which are fusion jokers, is a lot of money, and jokers, and fusion conditions, and finally getting there will also make the blind sizes be hyperoperational
None of what i said however is present in the videos because the VODs are nearly 4 months old and these are very recent changes and decisions

[haughty bane]

Ah I see

Thank goodness that distortion effect was removed

But yeah I did see some placeholder stuff

[vague mountain]

uh
no
You can customize it extensively, even disabling it entirely, but that's not going anywhere

[haughty bane]

Oh, well if it's configurable then that's fine

Youtubers should probably disable it mostly for visibility sake but that's on them to do that

[tepid escarp]

Oh the bit rate

[tranquil zephyr]

Not sure if that translates to: OCs/characters as legendary art on non legendaries

Although from first glance of Junkyard, seems to also do this

[tepid escarp]

yes

[muted anvil]

"I don't want to compete with polterworx". Bro you can't compete with a thing that doesn't exist anymore. Stop restricting your ideas to please certain people. Polterworx was a cyclone of hate and fortunately it has disappeared.

[vague mountain]

Why are you lecturing me on not making a polterworx clone when i said i don't want to make a polterworx clone (and currently am not)

[tepid escarp]

Sorry but I thinks its quite rude to say that

[tranquil zephyr]

as someone who still takes visual cues from Almanac and had stayed in the server until its disappearance, even if I broke away from cryptid, that was rude

Even with I dont agree with some of its design (hence my mod is closer to vanilla, kinda) and it wasnt entirely blameless, to say it’s “Fortunate” that it disappeared is just… disgusting.

[gilded reef]

Eh, someone has to fill the void
Hate? I didn't interact much with polterworx and i know jen stole art from other mods(his defenders claimed they were placeholders)

[bitter hinge]

uhh i think it's time we lock this or something, he's not coming back

[muted anvil]

In reality, Jen didn’t really steal any arts, basically he did what I call the 'vulture' technique, that is to say he retrieved arts from dead (or almost dead) mods. Besides, I would find it quite poetic that people use the content of his dead mod: the cycle that repeats lol.

[muted anvil]

I say this because with what you are saying, one might think that you don’t want to do this for fear of receiving hatred.

[muted anvil]

Rude, but true.

[muted anvil]

I said "fortunately" regarding the fact that it obscured the modding community. I spoke almost at no time, but it was obvious that the period before Almanac was better. But a term that would describe the situation more is that it’s not surprising. The popularity exploded way too fast, and naturally a thing disappears as fast as it appears. There are people who receive attention too randomly and much too quickly (like Jen), and these people often do not have a personality suited to this kind of situation. There are quite a few cases like this on the internet, and the fate of the mod was already written since the day when special channels were created on Cryptid.

[tepid escarp]

no I just think that your're a dick

[muted anvil]

Even that’s not surprising.

[tepid escarp]

:|

[north ice]

mhm... so, as I understand it, all you have to do is find someone with a copy of the mod?

it's very sad when you're just getting to know Balatro, Balatro mods, and such projects.
and then this happens..

[tepid escarp]

Nope, jen asked for people not to share the mod from what i know

I have the mod, and i follow that said thing

[north ice]

ah

Well, what can I do

okay

[tepid escarp]

You just cant do

[north ice]

I've already figured that out.-

[humble idol]

-# i think that's called graverobbing.

[humble idol]

Was the reason that the period before Almanac was better (disagree on that really strongly) really because of Almanac? What difference did it do that made it so much worse that the positive effects of the developments of other mods was still in total worse than the period prior, may i ask in what way it made it so much actively worse? The popularity did grow fast yes, though it died rather slowly, its death was caused because of it being shut down due to people continuing to hate even after the main reason for the hate was gone, its popularity would have continued if it wasn't discontinued, so i kinda agree on the personality based stuff, but its fate could have easily been avoided.

[muted anvil]

The community had been dead for a long time believe me. If his server lasted this long, it is only because he wanted to keep its popularity for a personal reason, all that remains of his community are those who defend him blindly. Firstly, he never realized that his community was focused on his mod, and not on himself (it’s the classic misunderstanding), basically the fast popularity just grew his head. If you want my opinion, it’s silly to think that the problem comes 100% from the haters.

[north ice]

Is it possible to find out the reason for the hate towards Jen?
I don't understand what all the hate is about
if you know

[tranquil zephyr]

It used to have a valid reason, being art theft
then after the matter was resolved, there were these reasons (not all listed):

• OCs and "legendary art" in non-legendaries (the most petty and the most unjustified)
• They never forgive Jen for the art theft, even after the matter was resolved
• Popularity (now moved onto cryptid)
• Cryptid-type numberslop where it basically becomes easy but worse (truth, but that also can apply to Cryptid as well)
• Straddle/Tension (admittedly good ideas, bad execution, this resulted in Overscoring in Valkarri and Overshoot in my mod as "successors" if you will)
• Blinds too unbalanced for their liking (Epic Blinds don't have a condition apart from after round 40, they should've been punishments for scoring too much, and for some reason has extremely high base values, the wee and the descending)
• No Github for the main mod, requires joining the server for the mod
• Some say behaviour of the creator, but that itself may be also due to said hate

[north ice]

Well...

First of all, thank you very much for your answer

and secondly
Of all the reasons, I don't understand the reason for blinds.
I think it's a pretty good thing that makes you think about your run. That's why I liked Epic and Legendary Blinds from Unik's mod
and then when most (all) blinds can be ignored with Chikot or divine jokers.. it makes it boring

I have no complaints about the rest
It's a shame that all this happened, I just want to get acquainted with Jen's project out of interest

[tranquil zephyr]

oh thanks, that being said...
The Wee, The One and The Descending were still very harsh, even for Finishers (they were not finishers). Like the Descending's offspring, Salmon Steps requires a ^0.7 base size for a reason
And Jen's Epic Blinds can spawn after round 40 that's it meaning unless you have a strong joker to back yourself with, it's inevitable, whereas my Epic and Legendary Blinds have that and you must have a high overshoot in the first place (otherwise they will not spawn), with one exception (a high risk high reward joker), where unless you also play it with an easy to get to high values mod, you'll rarely notice them
Plus some of them are bugged as hell (epic house)

admittedly that reason may have been minor by comparison, but still noted by some (such as Ruby)

[north ice]

oh those, I forgot about them
I was talking about blinds at high stakes, but I agree about regular ones too.

[muted anvil]

In any case, he was not reputed to be very good at game design.

[noble wadi]

I never really didn't like the OC stuff even if it made things awkward if someone were to split away from the mod

it was fine, just, awkward

can't ever understand why ppl get so worked up over non-legendaries getting legendary plating even when they provide the reasons why its bad

[tranquil zephyr]

dunno why exactly as well apart from maybe "violation of vanilla" standards, art quality varying (bit more understandable), some say allows for "lazier" joker design (not designing the joker art to match the effect) or that much of them are OCs

[north ice]

Are there any other mods that don't shy away from using hyper operations?
besides Jen almanac, Mayhem, Cryptid (his add-ons)

[haughty bane]

The Epic blinds were still unfinished in development by the way

[haughty bane]

In some hypothetical scenerio the mod that me and my girlfriend would make would have hyperoperators

But knowing me, it will never be finished

[tepid escarp]

Im also like that 😭
ive already binned mine

[lean ocean]

Hehe funny my son go +2 mult on cards

[tepid escarp]

the pruplr thing

[tranquil zephyr]

There is also morefluff; it technically has tetration, albeit only before scoring

And limited to ^^1.04

[north ice]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllll

[north ice]

🍿 interesting

[north ice]

[north ice]

okey

[haughty bane]

If it ever does get finished, there will be a thread

[ripe radish]

I think the main thing people got mad about at the time (me included) wasn't jsut the art theft but Jen had made like 2000 euros off of the mod technically through Kofi donations so they were basically being paid to have stolen art

sorry to continue this but figure I should let ppl know since I don't think anyone had been refunded off of Kofi

[humble idol]

-# don't think it was of purely the stolen art, unless they stole all the art, most people also donated because of the unbalance and because its easy to get haha funny big number.

[muted anvil]

What ?!!

[ripe radish]

Yeah that's a real thing that happened

[ripe radish]

I mean it's still making a profit off of stolen art optional donations or not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted anvil]

This story's getting dark.

Maybe there was stolen art, but there was indirectly stolen hours of work coming from the community (I mean wasted).

[hard rampart]

At first this sounded like case bullying now this sounding like they were grifter

[next scaffold]

Can we just close this thread already, there's pretty much no constructive discussion occurring anymore

[hard rampart]

Makes sense

[muted anvil]

In any case, it’s better if Jen is forgotten. And by the way ignore those who want to take advantage of their past "notoriety" in his dead community.

[ripe radish]

Yes please I agree on this

close / delete the thread

[muted anvil]

Currently only a moderator can do this.

[mighty mango]

Oh no, he did steal some art without my permission initially. obviously that's water under bridge now but thought I'd clarify it wasn't 100% like that

[safe scroll]

Didn’t he apologize for art stealing at one point and attempted to fix it with replacement? Memories are a bit blurry about this

[haughty bane]

They also removed their Ko-Fi as well, and didn't bring it back

[neon schooner]

@long isle can you close this thread

[haughty bane]

That would be a good idea

[muted anvil]

I think he did it. However, he never apologized for wasting time on dozens of people. But for the stole arts, did he apologize because it was bad, or because he didn’t want to lose his reputation in his community ? The guy made way too many mistakes to have really questioned himself. In my opinion, Jen is a bad person who just wanted to take advantage of the hype on him (ko-fi strengthens the theory).

I don’t know when he made his Ko-Fi, but if it was done just before the period when he started to drastically slow down the mod’s development, it would make sense.

Maybe even pwx is a typical case of what should not be reproduced in the future of modding.

I’m just getting back to the stole arts, in fact he didn’t really make a replacement, he mainly banned people for ridiculous reasons like : using an internet drawing site with samples.

[ripe radish]

https://shop.ko-fi.com/jenwalter666

I mean they still have it I think but idk if it's for Polterworx now

[muted anvil]

The theory is it was always for himself.

Afterwards, I don’t know if your sentence is ironic.

[tepid escarp]

can you not be rude

also @long isle probably close this, the mod is gone and all it is is "can I have mod" (thanks in advance)

[muted anvil]

Says the guy who said to me "you're a dick"

[tepid escarp]

for being rude ¦|

im leaving

[muted anvil]

It's relative

[muted anvil]

By the way, the real problems behind pwx, and not reproduce that afterwards.

[haughty bane]

It's for gmod now

[muted anvil]

What a great investment