Othermod (Miracle System)

[worldly saddle]

also textures seem blurry

on 2x

[hardy cobalt]

i make them 1x then 2x it

actually that one wasn't exactly made by me

also 10% chance that i'll remake the sprites

[worldly saddle]

you didn't scale it up properly

urs vs mine in Aseprite

[pliant aspen]

Yoink resize.py

[hardy cobalt]

my fault for using photopea

[manic lance]

For reference proper scaling for integer scaled pixel art is nearest neighbor (I think)

Though ngl I don't like Joey's confrontational attitude

[worldly saddle]

ok 🗿

again like I explained why

If you don't like it you don't have to agree with it

but I did provide a reason

[manic lance]

imo, no one's making you interact with this thread, yet you're one of the most active people here. And all you seem to do is antaganize the dev. I have nothing against either of you, I just find your behavior far more offputting than his. Maybe I just relate better to an "imcompetent mooch" (not that I really think that about Ai gen goku myself) than a jerk, and I'm fine with that

[worldly saddle]

OK

I feel like that is misconstrued because I have given genuine feedback on several things in the past, but you can feel free to have your own interpretation on the matter

[manic lance]

That's fair enough and I may be being a bit rash

As I said, I don't have an issue with either one of you, I just don't much care for the venom and judgement

on a more practical note @hardy cobalt the mod seems to be crashing on startup atm

at least with the other mods I have installed

here's the other mods I was trying to run it with

[hardy cobalt]

I haven't checked if my mod is compatible with those yet

[worldly saddle]

yknow funnily enough that crash was also what I was getting for like the longest time

[hardy cobalt]

Happy yapfest

i will fix some stuff later

but tada problem solved

you now know what you're getting

@worldly saddle

i don't know how to make the words green

[worldly saddle]

ok

figure it out 🙂

you got this I believe in you

• grammatical changes of course

[hardy cobalt]

my guy

All the jokers are like

ok fine

oh damn

vochers

[worldly saddle]

handsize is also "hand size"

not one word

[hardy cobalt]

ok

[cold hound]

Me throthing at the mouth for all of the spelling mistakes/incorrect terms:
(Fr though, thank you for making it more clear. I'm guessing PP is just the positive of all of the Potions, minus Midas?)

[hardy cobalt]

yeah ummm

prosperity is supposed to drain you money for benefits

not give you money

also

im trying to rework voucher vodka and i added eremelium to joker juice

[cold hound]

Ohh, oki, does that mean it should drain money for the effects? Hol' on, lemme post something.

[hardy cobalt]

no i mean it's just expensive

[cold hound]

Oh, okay.

[hardy cobalt]

is 5$ cheap considering what it does or....

[cold hound]

Eh, I had a different plan, and I believe that's the same price as most of the potions.

Here.

Prosperity Punch. (1$).
1/2 chance to gain 2 discards and 2 hands, but also -10$.
1/2 chance to gain 2 hand size and a Joker Slot, but -15$.
1/2 chance to gain 2 random Vouchers, preferably of the same line, but -20$.
1/4 chance to gain a Negative copy of a Joker you have, but -20$.

[hardy cobalt]

then i'd have to rename it

Prosperity Punch Of Poverty

[worldly saddle]

More like poverty punch

[hardy cobalt]

no

btw

i got the chances workin

now heres the thing

To be balanced or cryptid?

[manic lance]

I'd prefer if the balance is what's standard for mods, which seems to be a bit more powerful than base have but not like cryptid

[hardy cobalt]

okay

ill make prosperity punch eat yer money

[manic lance]

Kinda a shame. I liked it when it was like ace of pentacles (not Alice's, the other one) where it served to either double or 0 (or was it half?) your money

Or was that a different potion?

[manic lance]

This I don't mind either, and doesn't nessacarily seem too cryptid

[hardy cobalt]

Im increasing the chances

but making it eat money

[manic lance]

The money being taken is... fine but debt is annoying, lol. Still I don't mind it

[hardy cobalt]

hehehe

oops

i just noticed that some chances are black

i gtg do something

[manic lance]

Is the word chance usually in the well.. chance color? I don't remember

[cloud tusk]

Please use orange text

[cloud tusk]

It’s not

[manic lance]

Huh? For what

[cloud tusk]

And also please use the number 1

[cloud tusk]

Hand, discard, numbers, joker slots

[manic lance]

Ah I see

That's the attention color right?

[cloud tusk]

Yes

[manic lance]

Also use chance and attention, not orange and green. I think that's better for trance compatibility

Though I don't remember if they're just always the same

[hardy cobalt]

how

or do i just use (c:money) as usual

[manic lance]

Money is for yellow/gold

You use c:attention I think

[hardy cobalt]

ok

[manic lance]

This is the stuff he meant fur not the word chance

Which is supposed to be black I think

But I may be mistaken

Sorry if this is a bit annoying. I know making incremental changes is kinda draining

[hardy cobalt]

what's c:attention for again

[manic lance]

The stuff in the message I replied to apparently

I don't really remember exactly how it's used myself. I'd just browse through the collection and look where the orange text is being used

[hardy cobalt]

theres a thing called c:red and c:blue for those

[manic lance]

Not all of them I don't think. As I said just look at what's orange in the vanilla joker descriptions

[hardy cobalt]

apparently it's not hands or discards that get red or blue but the number

so what color is this in the game?

is it the same c:blue

or is it something else

nvm

mb

[manic lance]

A good way to get the list of colors is looking at the default trance pallete file

[hardy cobalt]

ok

[hardy cobalt]

I think i should make some rng related vouchers for the potions

should i make the art myself or does someone want to volunteer?

[hardy cobalt]

Guys I went from bugfixing to reworking/adding stuff wth

[cold hound]

What idea do you have for them? I'm not the most familiar with them, but I can try.

Do you have an empty template for the Potions as well?

[hardy cobalt]

Well I don't know I just wanted something to go along with the "potions"

[hardy cobalt]

Also I think I do but I need to catch some z's

[cold hound]

👍 G'night.

[cold hound]

...There was a joker called "joker?" from this mod, took it, and:

Is this an intentional crash, or what?

[hardy cobalt]

I mean it's supposed to kill itself (you know because it's not the real joker)

But I don't think it's supposed to take the game with it

So either I just rework that so instead of being an offbrand joker that destroys itself and the game into a slightly weaker and cheaper joker

Or I do something different

[hardy cobalt]

here ya go

this is 1x

and here's 2x

[hardy cobalt]

in recent times i have barely seen any eremelium cards in any of my playthroughs

so i think i gotta do something about that

[cold hound]

Thank ya, what program do you use for artistry stuff? Cuz I've just been using Paint to edit the Jokers.

[hardy cobalt]

Libresprite

[hardy cobalt]

@cold hound

look at what im cookin

[hardy cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-dog-spinning-dog-spinning-in-a-car-dog-in-car-gif-22445358

[cold hound]

Interesting...I forgor what the Nebula Deck Joker does already, lmao. Or is that a different one, hold on.

[hardy cobalt]

Astronomer

Gives free planet cards and packs

[cold hound]

Isn't that already a base-game Joker? I believe that with the idea I concepted for Nebula, it would give you Planet cards at the end of the shop depending on your most played hand.

[hardy cobalt]

I know it's a base game joker

Also idk how to make it give planet cards that is your most used hand

[cold hound]

Just look at the code for Blue Seal and Perkeo, you should be able to combo them together.

(Without the Negative, of course.)

[hardy cobalt]

Ok

[hardy cobalt]

im taking a breather

im done breathin

so far i got nebula to not crash

that's it

[hardy cobalt]

@cold hound good news

voucher vodka and prosperity punch has been reworked

bad news tho

nebula joker is being annoying

[hardy cobalt]

i need someone to talk to

[cloud tusk]

find people in the real world

[hardy cobalt]

i already did

actually hows grim going?

[worldly saddle]

Touch some grass take a shower

Something something mald idk

[hardy cobalt]

Bruh i already did

[worldly saddle]

(I'm kidding(

[hardy cobalt]

ok

[hardy cobalt]

are you working on any mods atm

[worldly saddle]

Right at this second? No

I work on familiar most of the time though

[hardy cobalt]

what's familiar?

[worldly saddle]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1267615217613803580

[hardy cobalt]

interesting

[hardy cobalt]

frick im bored

...

imma make a sprite or something

Splash + Black deck joker

defused

.....

@olive snow you like splash fusions should i go with an ink theme for fusing the deck jokers or something else

nvm

i want to at least release 2 deck jokers for this update soo

[hardy cobalt]

I hope you like double tags

[olive snow]

oh hey

[olive snow]

depends on the deck

for the ones that are just colors yeah that'd make sense

[hardy cobalt]

lets say for example nebula

also hi marie

[hardy cobalt]

https://github.com/Aigengoku/Othermod/releases/tag/1.2
Update babeeeee

now for a break

[worldly saddle]

Time for 3 months to go by 😎

[cold hound]

I helped him with finding and fixing several bugs with the Deck Jokers, so I'm happy at least.

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt
Might have a new sprite for joker(?)

(And yes, this is a reference to Mandela Catalogue.)

[hardy cobalt]

😱

actually got jumpscared by that

[cold hound]

Heh.
Whadya say, this good?
(Also, could come with a rework to the effect.)

[hardy cobalt]

mayhaps

[hardy cobalt]

that makes sense

(that stuff scares me)

also there are 2 rework options

1/2 chance to kill you after a blind

or it will kill itself and make a rare joker

option 2

idk

xmult = current hands + discards / 10

[cold hound]

Here's the effect I'm thinking of:
Joker (?)
x4 Mult...
(But after each Ante, had a fixed 1 in 100 chance to jumpscare you and crash your game.)

[hardy cobalt]

hmmm

i could purposely give it bad code to crash

but not sure about the jumpscare

[cold hound]

I mean, that's probably what happened for me before.

If so, you might need to give it a special message to let the player know that the crash was intentional, and not a mistake.

[hardy cobalt]

i don't know about mandela catalouge

so maybe i could use a quote like that

also maybe i should make it 1 in 30 or so

[cold hound]

Also, how do you find the 5th edition, Ere?

ALSO also, I might be doing art for the Vouchers. Does the Luck vouchers have any art yet?

[hardy cobalt]

hehe no

there's no art

also usually ere is supposed to be found normally

but i think i made the rate too low

so either i 2x the rate or make a voucher like shine and glow up

i don't know how to make those vouchers

the nil version looks so innocent

I can't crash

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt A simple thing to replace Shinier Foil with, so that I don't mistake it for Overstock.

[hardy cobalt]

noice

[cold hound]

👍

[hardy cobalt]

joker? has now been reworked

(also i slightly nerfed it from making it 1/100 to 1/50

[hardy cobalt]

denver what size did you make it

in pixels

[cold hound]

Uhh, it should be the same width as the Overstock Voucher that's used as a base, why?

[hardy cobalt]

it doesn't look right when shrunken

just remeber it has to be 71 width and 95 height

[cold hound]

Well, I did pull the image of the Voucher off of the Fandom page, so I didn't think that would cause any issues, as the Joker worked perfectly.

[hardy cobalt]

its alright

im pretty sure the image that you based it off was bigger than usual

[cold hound]

Maybe you could use this color theming as the basis of editing the Overstock (Plus) Vouchers for the 4 editions?

Foil: Silvery colored Overstock.
Holographic: Gold colored Overstock.
Polychrome: Rainbow colored Overstock Plus.
Negative: Inverted Overstock Plus.

[hardy cobalt]

you don't need to do those yet

just keep on cooking the joker art

[cold hound]

Alright, I'll install the new version and see how it is. 👍

Also, here's some rework ideas for Jokers that are rather weak currently.

**Torture: ** +15 Mult per Blind cleared. Other Jokers cannot give +Mult.

Rich Get Richer: +0.1x Mult for each 5$ you have.

Gambler Joker: Mult: 1/5 chance for +20 Mult, 1/15 chance for x4 Mult.

Gambler Joker: Chip: 1/5 chance for +77 Chips, 1/15 chance for +777 Chips.

Knurples: Probably just reduce rarity to Common, to put it on the same pevel as Banner. Also, probably give it some better art, cuz holy.

[hardy cobalt]

Knurples its funny cus its bad

[hardy cobalt]

as torture

i could just make it give 5 mult

(cus idk how to disable mult jokers)

[cold hound]

Too bad, cuz:

[hardy cobalt]

holy shet

thats amazing

1000000000000000000/10

[cold hound]

(It's blue because of hands, instead of discards like Banner.)

[cold hound]

Could just make it so that it automatically debuffs Mult-giving Jokers while you have it, but IDK if that'd be good or not.

[hardy cobalt]

as i said idk how to do that

[cold hound]

Betmma has a Voucher that debuffs Jokers, so you can probably just look into that, or even ask him how it's done.

@hardy cobalt Looking at the Potion Catalogue causes this crash now.

[hardy cobalt]

...neat

i think it's missing a non-discovered sprite

[cold hound]

Will it cause any issues if the potions are spawned?

[worldly saddle]

probably

actually idk

🤔

probably not?

[cold hound]

I'mma doing a run, let's see.

[hardy cobalt]

it does

i found out while trying to make nebula

[cold hound]

Hmm? The Joker list works just fine, it's the Potions that are causing issues for me.

This happened after I beat the first Small Blind.

[hardy cobalt]

must have been a potion that spawned in

[worldly saddle]

can you copy paste the actual issue

🤔

so we can see a fuller stack trace

[cold hound]

There we go.

[hardy cobalt]

I swear i put sprites for all the stuffs

[worldly saddle]

It looks like Potions don't like cryptid

🤔

[hardy cobalt]

what

but i also don't use cryptid

and i get the same crash myself

[worldly saddle]

oh yeah maybe it's the actual thing itself then

[cold hound]

It was working fine before, at least until this latest OM update.

[worldly saddle]

just make an undiscovered sprite it ain't that hard

¯_(ツ)_/¯

takes like 2 minutes

[hardy cobalt]

ok i already got some i guess

but where do i put it

[cold hound]

If it's the Consumable Sprites that are the issue, then look into the Tarot code that handles if the item is discovered or not, and you can likely adjust that.

[hardy cobalt]

but they're all discovered

[cold hound]

I just tried that as well (undiscovering and rediscovering), and it caused the same crash as well. Do you have any clue what you changed in the recent update that might've caused this?

[hardy cobalt]

mmmm no

well maybe some nebula deck coding

either that or the potion rebalancing

[cold hound]

Isn't that the x2 Tarot/Planet Card chance?

[hardy cobalt]

no that's zodiac

[cold hound]

It's only showing up when I open the Potion Catalogue, so it's likely something with the rebalance.

[hardy cobalt]

joker juice

was Sjoker juice

[cold hound]

You found it?

[hardy cobalt]

yeah i think thats it

yep

potion problem publicly executed

A Simple S gave a lot of shieza

but now

i can go back making nebula

[cold hound]

Nice work. Do you know where this issue is in the code, so I can fix it myself?

[hardy cobalt]

go to Other tarots

then atlas =

it should be joker juice

[cold hound]

Just did it, it should hopefully work now. In the meantime though, given it's such a big issue, you might need to make a update to the Github to make sure it's fixed there.

[hardy cobalt]

i will

[cold hound]

There we go, working just fine. 👍

[hardy cobalt]

yippee

ok i updated the download

by the way i wasn't sure if i could make 2 center.ability.chips so i just buffed it to 777 chips and changed it to 1 in 15

[hardy cobalt]

@cold hound I reworked rich gets richer but i couldn't exactly make it like you asked

it just has a base x_mult of 1.1x

and increases by 0.01x for every dollar you had at the end of the round

[hardy cobalt]

I thinking of making more potions

[hardy cobalt]

@cold hound i revamped them

btw this is the power of rich get's richer

[cold hound]

Nice, that actually sounds pretty good. 👍

[hardy cobalt]

Ight

Btw all the reworks are done (one way or another)

[hardy cobalt]

thinking

1. new potion
2. the witch (a tarot card)
3. 🍔

[hardy cobalt]

hey guys what do you think of this sprite

[hardy cobalt]

ooof

[cold hound]

Aint that ||Joker (?)||

[hardy cobalt]

yep

it works

[cold hound]

👍

[hardy cobalt]

so nice to know that there's more than one person playing the mod

[manic lance]

I need to test it for mod compatibility again soon

[hardy cobalt]

i think the only problem for other mods would be the potions

[manic lance]

I just know last time I tried it crashed on startup

[hardy cobalt]

i killed some bugs

(painted deck joker no longer crashes the game when sold)

[manic lance]

I'll test it tonight, but if you wanna test it before hand, I post the mod pack I use publicly

[hardy cobalt]

rare error discovered

a blue screen

@manic lance

[manic lance]

Means Something's crashing super early

[hardy cobalt]

can't be mine

[manic lance]

Though make sure you actually downloaded the mods.zip file is how trying my mod pack

[hardy cobalt]

i did

and extracted it

[manic lance]

Just making sure because downloading the source code gives mostly empty folders

[manic lance]

And made sure you didn't have duplicate steamodded or some other mod?

[hardy cobalt]

i removed the dupe

[manic lance]

Make sure it works without othermod, it does for me

[hardy cobalt]

im overwhelmed

900 Jokers

[manic lance]

Sorry

Oh lol

Nvm

[manic lance]

Hehe

[hardy cobalt]

let me try 1 run

[manic lance]

I thought you meant by the testing, which I was gonna say I could just do tonight

[manic lance]

It's a pretty fun way to play the game imo

[hardy cobalt]

i can't even decide

the deck

[manic lance]

I like sandbox deck

[hardy cobalt]

i chose green with hoarder

[cold hound]

I just wish that Deck Creator can return for 1.0, cuz it was genuinely just amazing.

[hardy cobalt]

what the helck

my brain is about to explode

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Might just be an oversight or an issue with Jen, but Negative Consumables that are turned into Nil consumables do not give extra consumable slots.

[hardy cobalt]

I think I only made it give 2 joker slots

[cold hound]

Yes, but the issue is that the edition still applies on Consumables as well.

[hardy cobalt]

Wouldn't you want more consumable slots?

[cold hound]

Yes, but that's not the issue here. I'm saying that Nil DOESN'T give Consumable Slots, even when on consumables, when they get overridden by the Voucher.

[hardy cobalt]

I'll fix that

[worldly saddle]

local man sees familiar for the first time:

[hardy cobalt]

You!

You messed with my head

[worldly saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

nuh uh

adios amigo

[hardy cobalt]

Yuh uh

[manic lance]

Familiar is Snow's project. I think Joey's just an ideas person there

[hardy cobalt]

Oh okay

(I must make this mod good enough for the collection)

[manic lance]

Well booting with it would be a start :p

[worldly saddle]

Ehhhh not just an ideas person

part time coder

actual art person

[manic lance]

Sorry wasn't trying to minimize your role

I remember now you do art too, didn't really know about the coding

[worldly saddle]

yeah I coded the sleeve support

and the Merry Andy Deck

and some other bits and pieces here and there

Denver is an idea guy I'm a get shit done guy 😎

which I mean once we figure out this aureate bug

0.1.1. babyy

balance galore

[manic lance]

Denver is really good at being an ideas guy tbh. Has a lot more patience and persistence than me

[hardy cobalt]

I added most of his deck jokers

[manic lance]

But yeah, you do good work on familiar, and I wasn't trying to minimize that

[hardy cobalt]

(Red, yellow, blue, green, black, painted, ghost, zodiac, magic, and anaglyph)

[worldly saddle]

Yeah and my bad for bargin' in like that

I just like my recognition when it's due

😎

[manic lance]

I'd do it too ngl, so no worries

[hardy cobalt]

Same

[manic lance]

Anyway the actual content in othermod already fits right into my mod pack last I remember. It just needs to... boot with the other mods installed. Idk why it's crashing so hard

[hardy cobalt]

It only crashed because I had 2 steammoddeds

At least for me

[manic lance]

Oh it went away when you fixed that? Missed that context

So yeah I might add it tonight if I can play a game with it without trouble

[hardy cobalt]

Ight

[hardy cobalt]

You know

Playing coonies mod pack is starting to fill my head with ideas

[cold hound]

👀 Elaborate.

[hardy cobalt]

Ideas for vouchers and stuff

[cold hound]

Hmm, is there any concepts that you want to work further on, or do you need base ideas for it?

[hardy cobalt]

Like a voucher that gives plus one booster choice and pick

But yeah I'd be glad to hear some base ideas

[worldly saddle]

I eman

at least 2 vouchers exist that give +1 booster slot

[hardy cobalt]

no i mean

+1 card in the booster pack

Also I like familiar now

[cold hound]

They mean INSIDE the Booster Pack, not the actual Booster Pack slots in the shop.

[cold hound]

Sorta like OFFBYONE from Cryptid, right?

[hardy cobalt]

Nvm I'm making it a deck

Also for the sake of not being too broken

It's gonna double the price

[cold hound]

Double is a bit much, just +2/3 dollars is fine.

[hardy cobalt]

Dude +2 choices and +1 pick in booster packs

[cold hound]

Oh, you just said +1 choice before, mb.

[hardy cobalt]

(And if I could make a unlock condition for a deck joker version I would)

[hardy cobalt]

don't let me deck ever again

[hardy cobalt]

man

i keep on getting side tracked

[cold hound]

Question, what does this deck do again?

[hardy cobalt]

I wanted it to gives +2 booster card choices and +1 pick but it inflates the price

But rn it's being wonky

[cold hound]

I'm sure you'll figure it out. 👍

[hardy cobalt]

I hope

Also I gotta give it galdur compatibility

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt I may have had an idea for a Stake-related Joker, if you don't mind.

Staked Joker (Rare).
Provides a boon depending on the highest Stake you've beaten with this Joker.

• White Stake: Nothing.
• Red Stake: Gain +3$ when beating a Small Blind, or the first Blind of an Ante if there isn't one. Apply all previous Stakes.
• Green Stake: 5% smaller Blind Size. Apply all previous Stakes.
• Black Stake: You may spend the inverse of a Eternal Joker's sell value to sell that Joker. They still can't be destroyed by any other means. Apply all previous Stakes.
• Blue Stake: Either +1 Hand or Discard, depending on which is lower currently. Apply all previous Stakes.
• Purple Stake: 10% smaller Blind Size. Apply all previous Stakes.
• Orange Stake: You may spend 3$ on a debuffed Perishable Joker to undebuff it, and restart the timer. Apply all previous Stakes.
• Gold Stake: All Rental Jokers cost 50% more of their usual cost instead of 1$, but MAKE 3$ at the end of each round instead of taking away. Apply all previous Stakes.

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Also, Green Deck Joker still crashes my game when I add it to my Slots, lmao. I think something with the Discard portion is causing it to break.

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Heya, don't mean to bother you, but have you seen this yet?

[hardy cobalt]

ye denver

[cold hound]

Alright, I hope it's being worked on soon then. 👍

[cursive nymph]

Me too

[manic lance]

Forgot to say before that I'm still getting a crash with this mod and my current modpack

[hardy cobalt]

Are you sure it's not dx consumables

[manic lance]

I don't have DX consumables

And the game doesn't crash if I don't have this mod

it's a crash on startup

[hardy cobalt]

I'll see what I can do after the initial update

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt It looks like the first Voucher value is still fixed, while the 2nd one is modifiable. Both probably need to be modifiable.

[hardy cobalt]

I did that on purpose

[cold hound]

Oh, okay.

[worldly saddle]

bruh

[hardy cobalt]

It's my mod joey

[worldly saddle]

I get that but I can still

not agree with it

[cold hound]

The fixed chance should probably be 1 in 4 instead of 1 in 8, so that it doesn't have worse chances than "Does jack shit" Space Joker and "Let's go gambling!" Tarot.

[worldly saddle]

Don't diss space joker he just procs when he wants to

it's when he feels like it

[cold hound]

Unless if I use 6's or other modifiers, I feel like that NEVER procs for me, and when it does, it's on a shitty random hand instead of the hand I want to upgrade.

[worldly saddle]

again it's when he feels like it

you gotta give him time you gotta let him cook

it's only a 25% chance

[olive snow]

how's this mod going

haven't checked in with you guys in a while

[hardy cobalt]

It's decent

[olive snow]

did you start on those fusions yet

[hardy cobalt]

Chartreuse and purple exists

(Of course as defused)

[olive snow]

the fusion part is easy

[hardy cobalt]

No

It really isn't

[olive snow]

yes it is

you set the rarity to 5, and then add this function somewhere in the lua file
FusionJokers.fusions:add_fusion("j_splash", nil, false, "j_half", nil, false, "j_tsun_soaked_joker", 8) for example
soaked_joker should be the key value of the joker which is being made, (add j_modprefix_ before it)
j_splash and j_half are the materials
nil are replaced with values you want to carry from the materials
tsun is mod prefix, you set your mod prefix in the steamodded header

the final value in the function, 8 here, is the cost

that's how much it costs to fuse the jokers

then as long as your mod loads after fusionjokers (set your mod priority higher than -10000) you're done

[hardy cobalt]

Ok

But what's a tsun soaked joker

[olive snow]

soaked joker is a fusion i made for my mod

i'm coding splash fusions now rather than just concepting them

[hardy cobalt]

Noice

Well I'm not really gonna overwrite purple and chartreuse

But I'll try using it

[olive snow]

you don't need to overwrite anything about a joker you're turning into a fusion

it's identical to registering a joker normally except the rarity is 5

that is the fusion rarity

[hardy cobalt]

Let me try

[olive snow]

what's your mod prefix

[hardy cobalt]

othe

so j_othe_red and j_othe_blue into j_othe_purple

[olive snow]

yep

[olive snow]

i don't know if you need the mod prefixes or not when fusing using modded jokers, i'll check rn

it doesn't look like you need the mod prefix for the materials

according to jestobiology

so if it doesn't work try with just the key values of red and blue without the mod prefix

the fusion result does need the mod prefix

[hardy cobalt]

ok

honestly idk how

[olive snow]

what's the key value for the red and blue jokers

[hardy cobalt]

j_othe_red_deck_joker and j_othe_blue_deck_joker

[olive snow]

so just to make sure

you put key = j_othe_red_deck_joker

in the field?

[hardy cobalt]

the key itself is red_deck_joker

[olive snow]

okay

[olive snow]

then try FusionJokers.fusions:add_fusion("j_red_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_blue_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_othe_purple_deck_joker", 6)

[hardy cobalt]

do i need fusionjokers for this?

[olive snow]

yes

you do

[hardy cobalt]

oh

[olive snow]

it works on 1.0.0 with the backwards compatibility on steamodded

[hardy cobalt]

ok

also do i need to put the fusion function

in othermod.lua

or can i just put it in othermod_jokers.lua?

[olive snow]

as long as you load your mod after fusionjokers it doesn't matter

so as long as your mod's priority is higher than -10000

you're good

also fusionjokers on their own have a bug that affects end of round cash, but multiple people have pushed fixes for this

[hardy cobalt]

...

is it ok if i just do defused instead

[olive snow]

that defeats the entire point of them being fusions :v

[hardy cobalt]

but all of this it to complicated

besides isn't the mod 6 months old

[olive snow]

it's

one line of code and one value change...

that is literally all you need extra

(and the fusion mod of course)

[hardy cobalt]

ok but what is that line?

[olive snow]

FusionJokers.fusions:add_fusion("j_red_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_blue_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_othe_purple_deck_joker", 6)

[hardy cobalt]

no i mean the fix

[olive snow]

that is the line
the fix is that i removed the mod prefix from the material jokers in the function

[hardy cobalt]

ok but i did that

already

[olive snow]

did it give you the same crash

[hardy cobalt]

FusionJokers.fusions:add_fusion("j_red_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_blue_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_othe_purple_deck_joker", 6)
FusionJokers.fusions:add_fusion("j_yellow_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_green_deck_joker", nil, false, "j_othe_chartreuse_deck_joker", 5)

opps

*oops

[olive snow]

yeah you need to get the fusionjokers mod

and then it'll work

[hardy cobalt]

i did

v

[olive snow]

what is your mod's priority

[hardy cobalt]

idk

alphabetiical?

[olive snow]

in the steamodded header

--- priority = <value>

[hardy cobalt]

it doesn't say

[olive snow]

add it

and set the priority to a number higher than minus 10000

[hardy cobalt]

so -9999

[olive snow]

yeah that'll work

[hardy cobalt]

it doesn't crash

but it doesn't show the fuse

[olive snow]

did you continue run to test

[hardy cobalt]

huh

[olive snow]

or do you mean in the collection

does it show up in the collection

[hardy cobalt]

it shows fusion in the collection

[olive snow]

okay

so when you have red deck joker and blue deck joker (and $6) it should say fuse when you click on one right

[hardy cobalt]

it doesn't show it

[olive snow]

🤔

[hardy cobalt]

let me try adding othe

[olive snow]

double check the keys of the jokers

i know they used to be called red joker and blue joker so maybe the keys are still red_joker and blue_joker?

[hardy cobalt]

red_deck_joker, blue_deck_joker, green_deck_joker, yellow_deck_joker

i added othe and it works

[olive snow]

oh alright then

well there you go that's fusion figured out

[hardy cobalt]

ok

btw

is there a way for me to add a check for whether or not i have fusion jokers installed

[olive snow]

there is

jestobiology does it at the top of its lua file

[hardy cobalt]

ok

[olive snow]

so when you wanna do something mod specific you run a line if is_fusionjokers then...

after putting these at the top of your code

:)

[hardy cobalt]

oh hi joey

whassup

@olive snow i added it as an if statement but now the jokers won't appear

[olive snow]

look at how jestobiology does it

[hardy cobalt]

i did

[olive snow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hardy cobalt]

wait i found some more

yeah so

it only works if i have fusion jokers

i wonder

can i make a fusion with 3+ jokers

[hardy cobalt]

I feel like adding 3 more fusions (excluding ink)

[hardy cobalt]

I need ideas

[hardy cobalt]

@cold hound I require fusion ideas

[cold hound]

Do you have any particular Jokers that you want to be fused, or just go nuts? Also, I think Green/Chart still needs to be fixed, as far as I know, cuz I think it's still causing crashes for me.

Along with the thing from the Scrawl Voucher.

[hardy cobalt]

go nuts (you may or may not include modded jokers)

also im not sure about how green and chartreuse crashes

[cold hound]

Just make sure to double check it, try to ask people like Betmma, and review the code for Green Deck to make sure everything's fine with it.

[hardy cobalt]

aight

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-dog-spinning-dog-spinning-in-a-car-dog-in-car-gif-22445358

[hardy cobalt]

Man 🐴

[hardy cobalt]

Sundae

(GM) version

+30 mult, +150 chips, 1/6 chance to die

(C) version
X3 mult and X3 chips 1/1500 chance to die

(This is concepting)

[olive snow]

oh by the way

denver's gonna love this

you can register a fusion with multiple recipes by just running the fusionjokers function a second time

with different arguments for the materials

[hardy cobalt]

Otay

[hardy cobalt]

Ik I asked him to make some ideas

[hardy cobalt]

I wonder what denvers cooking

Fusions 1,2

Banana splits (Gros) and (Cavendish)

As of how I'm getting xchips imma figure it out

[hardy cobalt]

I'd like to talk to someone digitally

[cold hound]

At work, and I have to make sure to study for a Calc exam first for Thursday. I'll cook something for you, though.

[hardy cobalt]

Aight

[hardy cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-dog-spinning-dog-spinning-in-a-car-dog-in-car-gif-22445358

[cold hound]

Have ye figured out the Green stuff, and how to get Fusions working? I'm still studying rn, but once I'm done, I can help you with some concepts.

[hardy cobalt]

I forgor about the green

Also you need fusion mod

(At least for now)

[cold hound]

It crashes every time I take it, and yes, I have Jen's fork of the Fusion Mod rn.

[worldly saddle]

that's obvious lmao

[hardy cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/rats-spinning-gif-gif-26440214

I wonder what denver cooked

[cold hound]

Depression, as I dunno how I did on the exam. 😓

Side note though, I did make this, in case you wanna use it for anything:

[manic lance]

Pedro Veo?

[cold hound]

That's meant to be a C and M. I'm not too familiar with upside-down writing, especially in pixel art, as you can see. (And the C was originally meant to be a G, but it looked hella weird, so I just changed it to a C).

[manic lance]

Oh I see it biw. Idk why I was reading it sideways

What does it mean though?

[cold hound]

It's a reference to one of my friend's OC, which is a clown-attired cat.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1110587932668084255/1286037990459838546/IMG_20240918_150429.jpg?ex=66f6ffb6&is=66f5ae36&hm=aa5a9953470a794aa4e525d9ea9e225c146c3e2385c216157a6a34a041580bc9&

[manic lance]

Ah cute

[hardy cobalt]

Hmmmm interesting

An oc

Best I could make is this scrinkly guy

[hardy cobalt]

BTW I think I know how to make it a G and M

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Okay, I think I have an actual opportunity to make some more Fusions.

Polaroid (Photograph + Black Deck Joker).

Negative/Nil cards also trigger the effect of another, random vanilla/Othermod Editon.

Springtrap (William + Mr. Bones).

Gains +50 Chips, +10 Mult, and +1 Hand Size after beating a Boss Blind. Prevents death if chip count is at least 25% of the required Blind, and resets the scaled scores back to 0. Destroys itself if scaled scores are 0 when preventing death.

[And I'll make a few more later. For now, it might be best to consider Jokers that interact with the Potions.]

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Also, I think this mod is incompatible with Cere, as I crashed after completing a round with it on, but after I took this mod off, it worked perfectly fine.

[hardy cobalt]

Weird I tried it as well and it works

[manic lance]

Are you on an older version of steamodded? Your mod also worked with my modoack for you and it still crashed for me when I tried it

[hardy cobalt]

Hmm I haven't updated for a while

So It's maybe that

[worldly saddle]

you should probably keep an eye on using latest steamodded

helps to debug a ton of issues

🤔

[hardy cobalt]

Ok

[hardy cobalt]

Imma buff spring trap and make so that every time it revives the chips increase by 2.5% and the extra chips and mult increase

Then it destroys itself when it reaches 50%

Actually that's too op

Imma increase the revive chips by 5% every time and decrease the max to 35%

Also imma test if fusions can work for cards that isn't jokers

[hardy cobalt]

BTW I don't know about what to use to make Pedro but I could make it so when he reaches certain xmult lucky cards will be able to more things

[cold hound]

Interesting, maybe you can choose a buff, and the more you have Lucky Cards trigger, the stronger it'll get.

[hardy cobalt]

Imma see how betmma does it

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt I may have a different effect for Pedro, if you wanna hear it.

[hardy cobalt]

Yeah sure

I didn't even make progress yet anyways

(I forgor)

[cold hound]

Here's what I got:

Wild Joker (Uncommon): Wild Cards cannot be debuffed, and retrigger an extra time.

Multicolored Cat [A.K.A, PedroGMO] (Fusion/Rare, take your pick): Lucky Cards count as all suits, cannot be debuffed, and will give this Joker 0.33x Mult whenever one triggers (starts at whatever you were with Lucky Cat).

[hardy cobalt]

Hmmm ok

[cold hound]

Also, you should probably work on fixing some of the capitalization and wording of some of the Jokers.

[hardy cobalt]

Noted

So basically

Pedro makes lucky cards wild as well

Makes wild cards immune to debuffing

And gains .33x mult per triggered lucky

(Might as well make wild cards lucky)

[cold hound]

It's meant to be a fusion, so ye, it'll be powerful. That'll also work.

[hardy cobalt]

Good thing I know how to fuse

[hardy cobalt]

I forgor 💀

im feeling alittle silly

so the banana splits can't melt

(for no reason whatsoever)

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Hiya, how are things going?

[hardy cobalt]

I forgor 💀

[cold hound]

Then remembor, duh.

[hardy cobalt]

My free time is almost non existent atm

I won't be able to Pedro rn

But imma just add a joker called upgrade

Eventually

[hardy cobalt]

I'm sorry

That it crashed

But I don't that much time on my hands so until I do

This is gonna be another jellymod

Othermod (on pause)

[cold hound]

@hardy cobalt Hiya, just checking up on ya. 👍

[hardy cobalt]

Hi denver

[cold hound]

I finally got LibreSprite, so I can make Joker sprites a bit easier. I was using this to crop out some Cryptid Jokers earlier to have Math make them into Emojis.

[Oh, and I also made Spy blue, lol.]

[pliant aspen]

feel free to use that sprite freely (if denver is ok with it)

[cold hound]

Honestly, I was planning for it to be a part of a potential Candy/Cursed Exotic rework (I forgor the name of it).

[pliant aspen]

ah

[hardy cobalt]

Neat

[main shadow]

its been a long time since i looked at this thread

[hardy cobalt]

Hello its me the maker im still alive

Othermod (on pause?)

[hardy cobalt]

Othermod (revival?)

[hardy cobalt]

@round fable

[hardy cobalt]

yeah in case yall still care about this mod

its not dead anymore

[hardy cobalt]

goal for the revival update

is to add a deck

add a few jokers

and add some mod compatabilities

[hardy cobalt]

i finally fixed green deck joker 🎊

and it only took 2 years

[hardy cobalt]

just updated the potions (not that anyone cares)

imma add

mmm

maybe 5 more jokers

(technically 6)

[hardy cobalt]

Im gonna make a few challenge jokers and well challenge joker itself

[hardy cobalt]

Othering my mods yippee

[worldly saddle]

more like othermid

[hardy cobalt]

Unfortunatley i suck at art so

Othermod (LF art and suggestions)

[hardy cobalt]

implemented wrapped cards

[hardy cobalt]

Damn im bored

[hardy cobalt]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hardy cobalt]

I 4gor

[hardy cobalt]

damn i wish i had someone to talk to

[hardy cobalt]

Balling my latros

[proper scarab]

I made some joker designs for this. If you can spot all of them, you win a lovely no-prize!

[hardy cobalt]

Pagerson is almost done

Theres just a few teeny issues with the xmult

[hardy cobalt]

https://github.com/Yabozo2026/Othermod

Its released for anyone who cares

[proper scarab]

WOOOO!!! WE CELEBRATE!!!

[hardy cobalt]

Well hows the mod

[hardy cobalt]

Ok so theres nothing wrong with the mod got it

[crystal plank]

i remember this

[hardy cobalt]

Im also taking suggestions

[hardy cobalt]

btw

for 0.0.3

i thinking of adding 2 vouchers

clown car and big top

all they do is add 10 jokers into the "pool" (shop)

[hardy cobalt]

I spin

[hardy cobalt]

damn

i need suggestions

[cold hound]

So given the recent rule change about not using AI to help in coding, do you pan on recoding this on your own?

[hardy cobalt]

i have never used ai in coding so i wont have an issue with that

also hello again denver

[hardy cobalt]

wait actually wdym by recording this?

[cold hound]

Re-coding.
Wait, huh?-
OH wait, I must've remembered your own name (AI Goku), and thought it meant you coded it like that, my bad.

[hardy cobalt]

the old name was just my pfp

which in this case is not what i am using

[hardy cobalt]

hello othermodders

[hardy cobalt]

https://github.com/Yabozo2026/Othermod

fixed the stuff

guh

[hardy cobalt]

Uh

[hardy cobalt]

chat im cooking

[hardy cobalt]

Still cooking btw

Just in 2 kitchens now

[silent sail]

I found it!!!!

[hardy cobalt]

Congratulations

[silent sail]

You were hard to find

[silent sail]

I had to sell the Joker because slow down play way too much

[hardy cobalt]

The version your playing is outdated

[silent sail]

I downloaded the most recent release you had

[hardy cobalt]

Yeah

Thats kinda outdated

[silent sail]

Ok, can you post the new version I download it quickly and play it

[hardy cobalt]

The new version is incomplete

[silent sail]

Oh well then can't play it

[hardy cobalt]

Othermod road map

V2 - Adds a few stuff and the entire miracle system

V3 - Adds loads of jokers and fusions of said jokers

[silent sail]

You push an update?

[hardy cobalt]

i said road map

yk

plans for updates

[silent sail]

oh that what it mean sorry

[hardy cobalt]

Yeah after the miracle update maybe i should add 30+ jokers

There will be 2 clown car vouchers that will make 10 jokers each findable

Also

Adding a joker that prays

And transforms based of you sinned or cosinned

[silent sail]

Wtf!! My man got Catholic redemption mechanic

[hardy cobalt]

Yes

Basically

It gives stuff depending on the miracle rank

[silent sail]

Oh I wanna really try that out

[hardy cobalt]

I didnt make it yet

I gotta finish the miracle update

[silent sail]

Yup, I figure so I will wait

[hardy cobalt]

Btw to all my 10 fans

the update is very close to being finished

[silent sail]

Oh I waiting

[hardy cobalt]

Heres a leak for low miracle rank gros michel

(theres no art change sorry)

[hardy cobalt]

Just need 3 more sprites

[silent sail]

Would have different sprite?

[olive snow]

you have to name it gross michel because it is moldy now

[hardy cobalt]

K

[hardy cobalt]

IT IS FINALLY DONE

https://github.com/Yabozo2026/Othermod/tree/main

othermod 0.3 🎉

this is for my 10 fans

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l5cb5YmtvGHVOBqjxNDVogCX1UJ9OW3SOzh3H0G2Bh8/edit?gid=1571121375#gid=1571121375

also google sheet for suggestions

@silent sail

Othermod (Miracle System)

[somber wolf]

i shall be testing it now.

uhhhh

so it isnt

working

[hardy cobalt]

how?

[somber wolf]

im trying it again but it basically wouldnt show up as installed ingame when i installed it (balatro mod manaegr)

ope.

nevermind, it works.

oh thats baller actually

jokers based on decks

[hardy cobalt]

yeah i did it first, dont let anyone else say otherwise

[somber wolf]

okay

oops just lost the run

PLUS THREE?!/!?! JOKER

that seems like alot for just an uncommon

oh thats rare nvm

[hardy cobalt]

huh

which joker you talking about?

[somber wolf]

painted deck joker i think

IS THAT PRIME

DRINK

[hardy cobalt]

yes

[somber wolf]

divine cqard okay

and

evil divine card or whateve

i wonder what miracle ranks do

yhere goes a miracle rank i guess

wait why am i so ass at the game

[hardy cobalt]

they boost luck related cards

and yes retriggers wheel of fortune

[somber wolf]

ah.

peak.l

[somber wolf]

okay its cool

but a bit confusing

[silent sail]

I am trying to play this but we been cleaning the house for over a week, in preparation for my mother in law coming over to visit

[hardy cobalt]

Damn no one gives a shit about this

[silent sail]

I am literally on a duck farm with my wife helping a friend otherwise I be home playing

But here a duck

[hardy cobalt]

Zam

[silent sail]

This actually hiss at me

They were not happy with my approach

[low kettle]

i give a shit walp

[hardy cobalt]

I need more shits

Way more shits

(Also suggestions for next update)

[silent sail]

So I have some things to mention, Ritch get Ritcher those sort repeatedly trigger slowing down round

And the Joker ideas are within the realm of vanilla, I didn't see the miracle system unless your talking about the consumables

Which if that it, they do have interesting take but I feel like there should be more to support it

[hardy cobalt]

I didnt know how to make ui

So i cant show your current miracle rank

[hardy cobalt]

The idea for the next update is simple

Add more food jokers because im hungry

Add 2 clown cars because why not

Add a crazy amount of jokers and fusions for the clown cars

(And maybe rename this mod to something more eyecatching like labrato or something)

Current food items that will likely be included

-Strawberry

-Golden Strawberry (yes the one from celeste)

-invincible candy

-Kiwi

-Golden Kiwi

[low kettle]

cantaloupe

[hardy cobalt]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hardy cobalt]

Maybe

Do note

Strawberry and kiwi and their gold variants are gonna work like gros michel and cavendish to an extent

[coral cipher]

so what is this mod about?

could i get a very brief but intriguing description about it?

[hardy cobalt]

it anOther mod

basically it adds abuncha stuff

[coral cipher]

aah'

[hardy cobalt]

and also adds an entire gameplay mechanic

[cursive nymph]

This mod badly needs polish
Mainly in the descriptions
And what happened to the negative effects of potions?

[hardy cobalt]

It got annoying

Also i tried to make i affected by the miracle system

Just tell me where to polish

[cursive nymph]

Start with the descriptions

[hardy cobalt]

Which ones

[cursive nymph]

Start with the deck jokers