#RTGAME - How much can we min max this (WE HIT NANEINF)

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lean solar
solemn canyon
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I will try to reroute this for Ante 39, 2 more of copying jokers should be enough ig

drowsy osprey
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while in the beta

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not sure if you can snag the blueprint in ante 3 with ghost deck tho cuz of money constraints

solemn canyon
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There is no money issue in the early game. In the main version, in ante 2 you get mail-in-rebate instead of reserved parking.

drowsy osprey
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which then you can swap to beta for the buffed version, absolutely brilliant

solemn canyon
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Yeah, lol

drowsy osprey
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being able to swap versions, while not available forever, will probably heavily extend the possible options for seed optimization

solemn canyon
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Definately, I think we can do this every time a new beta releases

drowsy osprey
solemn canyon
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Its in Ante 18

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It would take 4-5 rerolls

drowsy osprey
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hm, i know there was a third brainstorm pretty late, somewhere ante 25+ (beta)

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but you probably cant fit that in given joker space

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and its probably too slow too

solemn canyon
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Yeah, I don't think its possible with ghost deck, I will try with plasma

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Do you know where can we get cryptid in plasma ?

drowsy osprey
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yes actually, theres a sixth sense you can pick up in ante 14

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if i remember correctly, if you use sixth sense in all three blinds in ante 16

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you can spawn a cryptid

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on the last one

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you can also spawn an aura on ante 19

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(if thats relevant at all)

solemn canyon
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Ohh ok

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TQSM

drowsy osprey
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and if necessary, you can also spawn an ectoplasm on ante 16 on the first use of sixth sense IF you are holding immolate and you do not have showman

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(i did a rather ridiculous amount of testing with sixth sense)

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you MIGHT be able to find sixth sense a lot earlier tho, i didnt check for that

solemn canyon
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Wait, you can spawn a duplicate ecto without showman

drowsy osprey
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oh shoot

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wrong card

solemn canyon
drowsy osprey
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you can get the immolate from ante 15's first use of sixth sense

solemn canyon
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Ohk, will try thisđŸ‘đŸ»

drowsy osprey
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this is all on beta btw

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i doubt the card spawning changes based on version (since spectral pack outcomes did not change according to analyzer) but finding 6th sense does

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being easier or harder to find sixth sense? no idea!

undone roost
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jolteon just telling people how to make this crazier is so funny

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im curious if this can get naneeinf if run right

lean solar
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yes it can

undone roost
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oh damn

drowsy osprey
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the question is, can the run get to ante 39?

undone roost
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i mean. theoretically?

drowsy osprey
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cuz with perkeo, its basically guaranteed to get naneinf at least once cuz you can spam all of your cryptids at once

undone roost
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yea, but if your going glass then perkeo probably isnt the best right?
also, does duping idol ever get worse than duping retriggers?

drowsy osprey
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and you want to have a relatively equal amount of idol/polychrome triggers compared to card triggers

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For example, lets say i have two hacks, one totem, one blueprint, and two brainstorms

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My cards are all glass polychrome with red seal

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without counting the copy jokers, i have 2x from glass, 2x from totem, and 1.5x from polychrome

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each card triggers once by default, once again by red seal, and two more times for hacks

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so its 2 2x trigger and 1.5 per trigger with 4 triggers

lean solar
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i mean it might be possible with burglar + blueprints on serpents at later antes

undone roost
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interesting

molten jasper
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With retcon you can continuously reroll to serpent so yea maybe

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Only thing lacking is money

undone roost
drowsy osprey
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burglar pops up for sure

lean solar
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theres an early burglar on ante 12

undone roost
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but does it matter? even with a high stock of hands your getting 50x, doesnt mean much on a multi billion x already

lean solar
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shop position 38

drowsy osprey
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its not the hand count that matters, its the amount of cards in hand

molten jasper
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But burglar wouldn’t be good cause you need to use your discard

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To get extra serpent cards in your hand

undone roost
lean solar
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for serpent you can also use hands

drowsy osprey
molten jasper
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Yeah but if you have more than 3 discards it’s not worth

drowsy osprey
molten jasper
drowsy osprey
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which means if you have 1 blueprint 2 brainstorm, you get +12 hands rather than +3

molten jasper
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I forgot that was a thing lmao

lean solar
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i typed dnas i meant blueprints

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oops

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dna can also help

drowsy osprey
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DNA is needed early to make sure yuo have cards to draw to begin with

undone roost
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hmm, bean would get you somewhere with it, but not enough to outdo cryptid

molten jasper
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So now you just need each of the 50ish kings to give 10 to the 6th plus a little more

lean solar
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bean doesnt last so it isnt worth

molten jasper
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With cryptid helping shouldn’t be impossible

undone roost
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plus, if you do crytpid, dont you sacrifice the plasma chance

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oh i guess not if you use whatever it is

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sixth or the straight flush on

drowsy osprey
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ive already found setup with sixth sense to generate any relevant spectral cards

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ectoplasm, cryptid, and aura being the important ones

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(aura for one time with idol/hack at least)

undone roost
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would burnt ever be benficial? with guarnteed flush fives getting base mult higher seems highly good

drowsy osprey
lean solar
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not worth the slot, getting planets isnt hard and it just doesnt scale

drowsy osprey
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at some point yuor hand level will be so insanely high that one burnt joker proc is <1% score increase, which we are talking about magnitudes of Googols

undone roost
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makes sense

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i guess once your over like, lvl 100 it doesnt matter and thats not hard to hit speaking from expereince

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if you could make it on something other than 4s (mainly glass kings) it would be so good to get trib

drowsy osprey
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one trib = one idol

undone roost
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mm true

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i forget idol is 2x i always think its 1.5x

drowsy osprey
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thats Ancient Joker!

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by the way, do recommend using wild card flushes with Ancient Joker

undone roost
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oh 100% thats how i won my last run i did actually

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10 of spade wild ancient joker idol synergy go hard

drowsy osprey
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ik my latest run (which was my last golden stake deck run!) was on erratic with double idol, blueprint, and smeared joker for consistent idol procs even with a non-singular deck

undone roost
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could a combination of duplicating troubador and burglar get you a reasoanble amount of hand size

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ooh nice, the one i did wasnt anything special (red zodiac) but it got into ante 13

drowsy osprey
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the only exception is Burglar and thats cuz of the wording of its ability

undone roost
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ok thats stupid

drowsy osprey
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if it FLAT OUT says "+1 hand size" or "+1 discard", it will not be copied by copy jokers

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burglar says "At start of blind, gain +3 hands and lose all discards"

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an active ability instead of passive, which lets burglar be copied

undone roost
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yea

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is there ever a time in the run beyond arrowhead where chips are useful or is a single 2x on mult just always better

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im just looking at my jokers and trying to see if we can EVER hit the ante

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but i feel like keeping that much score on this deck just isnt possible

drowsy osprey
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this route runs plasma deck, so you only need to commit to either chips or mult since theyre averaged at the end anyway

undone roost
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true

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whats the highest ante we know its hit btw

drowsy osprey
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that would be my run, which is ante 30

undone roost
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so youd have to get 9 antes higher

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thats... disguisting

drowsy osprey
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yep, and the magnitude of score needed will be squared by then

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i THINK i can make it if i played absolutely optimally and route in some things Bhavya discovered while running on current patch

undone roost
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what killed your run if i can ask

drowsy osprey
undone roost
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ew, ok

drowsy osprey
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raw score will always be a problem for idol/hack decks

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perkeo steel can always make it, its a question of how many times can it make it in a row

undone roost
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thought, riff raff can hit negatives cant it?
is there a way to check what it will hit?

undone roost
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(very rough ante estimante there)

drowsy osprey
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i bet that if Bhavya routes in parts of my route (which gets a blueprint and negative brainstorm by ante 4), they can make it

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same goes for vice versa, i can route in things Bhavya found into my run

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specifically, a second blueprint (which i only found brainstorms on my tests)

undone roost
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that would be insane

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if you can push a faster perkeo you could probaby build cryptids early too
becuase obviously eventually the cost wont be able to be kept up

drowsy osprey
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there is no way to push a faster perkeo, at least with this seed

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ive already tried anaglyph deck on all the tarot pack skips, which theres only one in ante 8

undone roost
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damn

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plasma is just always the way to go right?
just looking at black and wondering if a joker slot could get you farther.

lean solar
lean solar
undone roost
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cuz on average plasma is basically squaring 1/2 of your mult (as in googol levels the 500 chips is nothing)
if a retrigger could square your full mult, it would be stronger

undone roost
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i take it back

lean solar
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If you're interested about high score seeds in general and not just this once you could read the thread about the seed I found

undone roost
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i mean yea, but i wanna get this one to 38

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and im trying to figure out if its theortically possible

lean solar
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I mean alot of ante 39 potential is getting good negatives

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Haven't seen much in this seed

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While you can without it's just much harder

undone roost
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oh absolutely

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but i mean you hav who knows how many people working this and its reached 30 already
9 more antes is a HUGE ask but its probably possible

lean solar
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I would ping the person the got the record at my seed but I don't think he wants to do any more high score runs for the time

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He spent too much time at my seed I imagine he won't want to do it again

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I probably wouldn't either xd

undone roost
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real

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to be honest i havent hit many high runs, for a while i just played this in my free time
for some reason this seed just seems so interesting though, it has insane untapped potential still

drowsy osprey
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that with any seed tbh, but whats so peculiar about this seed (and why i went into it in the first place) was that this is the seed RTGAME

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its so unlikely to find a seed that cna even manage to get this far and its fucking RTGAME

undone roost
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yea lol

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(it also got me to play my own seed and i got a burglar idol cryptid this could go to the moon if i play this right)

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but what makes this seed so intersting i think is it got a ton of people to try their own after
it kinda sparked a whole new thing, it has to make it to ante 39. its the legend XD

drowsy osprey
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so it seems that multidimensional travel has.... some weird quirks

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for example, after playing the seed in current patch then swapping to beta after getting rebate, rebate stayed at $3 and for some reason replayed the last ante blinds except on ante 2

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while rebate doesnt get the buffed money, its still kinda insane with blueprint/brainstorm

undone roost
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it is interesting though if you can use that well.
do any jokers for the run besides rebate end up better in pre beta

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actually
 imma go test some dimensional travel after i’m done with this.
could be viable

undone roost
drowsy osprey
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not sure hwat thats supposed to mean

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i forgot to perform multidimensional travel and i couldve had a run with two blueprints and two brainstorms.

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fuck.

undone roost
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How is multidimensional travel now a strat for a RTGAME seed

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new tech for the funny man funny poker seed

solemn canyon
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Got the Ante 39 Naneinf. There was a cryptid in 3rd round of Ante 10 (with sixth sense). Didn't need to use multidimensional travel.

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The vouchers reroll queue is very cruel. Didn't get any of the hand size voucher until I bought 30 vouchers

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uneven gyro
lean solar
solemn canyon
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Lol

drowsy osprey
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so it is easier to find sixth sense on main patch... hmmm

drowsy osprey
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Weeeeeeeeellllll shit

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Looks like beta was updated so the route no longer works

drowsy osprey
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Hold up, negative brainstorm setup still works

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I think I can salvage this

random trail
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i was just chilling and now i come back into a perkeo discovery

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thats crazy

undone roost
undone roost
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anyway you are all magic.
getting the RTGAME seed to godhood is truly legendary.
now
 how to take it to the impossible ante 40

drowsy osprey
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i did some testing on the new beta version and it seems that, with multidimensional travel (or just straight up playing on the main patch but its funnier/more optimal to do multidimensional travel)

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its actually better

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though, im missing one critical component being a showman, i wasnt able to find one for some reason

undone roost
drowsy osprey
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i do know it exists somewhere in the current patch since Bhavya was able to pull off ante 39

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though im not sure where

mossy ferry
drowsy osprey
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yeah i dont think so either, i wanna try at least one more time tho

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im makin notes on ways to setup steel perkeo as well

solemn canyon
# drowsy osprey though, im missing one critical component being a showman, i wasnt able to find ...

There is a foil showman in Ante 17, you would need reroll around 10-15 times for it (total). Pick it up and sell it when you come across blueprint in Ante 18. You won't require showman after this.
The other 2 blueprints I got were from invisible joker. There is an invisible in Ante 20 Buffon pack but that gave me mime, so not worth it. There is another invisible in ante 20, it is quite far and would take around 50 rerolls total. That gave me the third blueprint. And the fourth Blueprint I got was from Invisible in Ante 28. It is pretty early on around 10 rerolls.

indigo coral
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uh, question, what is multidimensional travel in balatro?

low thunder
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WHO IS THE FUCKING MADLAD

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WHO GOT NANEINF

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RTGAME - How much can we min max this (WE HIT NANEINF)

mossy ferry
short marsh
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so we dont need to minmax further?

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we hit naneinf

mossy ferry
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not just naneinf, but ante 39 naneinf

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the end of endless

lean solar
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I mean in the world record score seed we tried to see who can score the highest past inf

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who up for that

solemn canyon
indigo coral
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ohh

supple mason
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Wait you can switch in between versions while playing the same seed? Interesting

dusty gyro
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yes but that's pretty cheaty

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at least imo

supple mason
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I agree. Just didn't know that was a thing

indigo coral
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ngl that feels like cheating lol

mossy ferry
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too bad it’s impossible to cheat in a singleplayer game

lean solar
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It's definitely possible to cheat in a single player game, no one will care since you're playing alone but it is possible to cheat

drowsy osprey
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and probably the same with the other invisible jokers (tho it would be better to get blueprints instead with those ones)

drowsy osprey
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but it would be very funny to incorporate it in due to how absurd it is

indigo coral
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it would,

solemn canyon
drowsy osprey
solemn canyon
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There is a sixth sense in Ante 9 as well

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Its kinda far, you have to reroll like 40 times

analog remnant
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what the heck did I miss this time

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just an infiniry

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ggs guys

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I wish I could have helped more

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I guess the only way to make this any better is get the infinity earlier

mossy ferry
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i mean it's already capeable of getting to ante 39

left jacinth
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Wonderful work gang haha. Genuinely cool to see yous engineer the shit out of it

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If it is possible to do a specific route and setup I'm down to showcase it one more time. I think come scoring infinity once that'd be the last of the engineering possible here haha. Don't think I'd be able to go all the way to ante 39 to exhaust the rounds

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The stuff Perkeo enables is really funny, just completely pushes the game further beyond what should be possible

mossy ferry
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ante 39 is funny tho because that is when the blinds themselves ask for naneinf, and so due to just how programming works in general you just lose
it is the end of endless
it does hover become a bit monotone as all you do for a while is copy cryptid a lot and then when u need to use it a bunch of times to win the blind

drowsy osprey
analog remnant
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could help making the route doc

drowsy osprey
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ive got this as a starting point:

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You must start the run in beta patch (1.0.1e)

Ante 1 Small Blind: Play 3-7 straight
Ante 1 Big Blind: Play heart flush.
Ante 1 Big Blind Shop: Buy Trading Card, then buy Overstock, then buy Temperance
Ante 1 Boss Blind: Swap version to current patch (1.0.0). Use Trading Card on 9 of Diamonds. Discard for diamond flush.
Ante 1 Boss Blind Shop: Buy Rebate.

Ante 2 Small Blind: Use Trading Card on 6 of Clubs. Discard for KQJT9 straight.
Ante 2 Small Blind Shop: Buy Stuntman.

From this point on, you no longer need to care about the hands you play since you'll always get enough chips. Instead, use Trading Card on any card with rank above 5 and Rebate on all blinds while you have them since you will be building a deck consisting only of Red Seal Lucky 5 of Diamonds. (Note: For teeny tiny optimizations, try and remove all cards of one rank so Rebate targets cards that are plentiful in your deck more consistently.)

Ante 2 Big Blind Shop: Buy spectral pack -> Immolate. Buy Hone voucher.
Ante 2 Boss Blind Shop: Reroll three times. Buy Wasteful voucher.

Ante 3 Small Blind Shop: Reroll two times and buy Egg.
Ante 3 Big Blind Shop: Reroll twice and buy Hanged Man. Then, reroll one more time and buy Blueprint. Put Blueprint on Rebate while discarding and on Stuntman while playing.
Ante 3 Boss Blind: Use Hanged Man.
Ante 3 Boss Blind Shop: Buy and use Hermit. Reroll once and use Temperance. Sell Egg then buy Idol then reroll 5 times.

Ante 4 Small Blind: Skip for Negative Tag.
Ante 4 Big Blind: Swap version to beta patch (1.0.1e).
Ante 4 Big Blind Shop: Reroll once for Negative Brainstorm. Put Brainstorm on Rebate while discarding and on Stuntman while playing.

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currently its written for idol strats, but most of this is still applicable to steel king strats

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one thing to note is to swap version back to current patch before using the Soul in the spectral pack in ante 9

peak ruin
drowsy osprey
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and technically more optimal so thats my excuse of incorporating it

peak ruin
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Dear god

drowsy osprey
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multidimensional travel!

peak ruin
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Im assuming the ultimate goal is to get a run that scores so high the number of chips underflows

drowsy osprey
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its already been achieved by Bhavya

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im routing it so its easy for anyone else to do it

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once i found out that perkeo spawns on current patch, bhavya immediately jumped in and got naneinf very easily

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perkeo moment

peak ruin
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Well since somone broke the underflow barrier that makes me wonder what the minium number of blinds you need to play to beat the game on this seed

solemn canyon
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I did the first naneinf run on Ghost deck. There is still scope of much optimization, I believe below Ante 14 is definately possible. Will try to route it tomorrow.

proper locust
small arrow
proper locust
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so theres no actual benefit?? 😭😭

small arrow
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From what im understanding no

lofty monolith
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As far as I can tell the changing versions does give a few small benefits, but a lot of the purpose of doing so would be the spectacle of multidimensional travel

drowsy osprey
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which, dont get me wrong, is pretty significant but its not necessary

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though, it could accelerate the speed at which you can get naneinf

proper locust
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ohhh okay

solemn canyon
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Got the Ante 13 Naneinf. This is done completely on the current patch. Ante 12 may not be possible without switching versions.

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peak ruin
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I cant wait for rt to revisit this seed and be utterly gobsmacked by the setup

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Like we have to have facecam for this

mossy ferry
peak ruin
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On a completely random and unrelated note i wonder if RT would be interested in trying my game if and when i finish it.

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And yes i am making a videogame

solemn canyon
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I don't have specific route written down for it, but I can provide general guidelines.

Here are the shop queues:

Ante 1
Shop 5 Temperance
Ante 3
Shop 34 Blueprint
Ante 5
Shop 48 Baron
Ante 9
Soul (Perkeo)
Shop 127 Seance
Ante 10
Shop 71 Brainstorm

These shop queues I got using Immolate seed analyzer created by @loud quail

Every ante has a different Shop order. For eg, to calculate how much to reroll for Baron in Ante 5, we can just do 48/3(since we are seeing 3 items per shop because of overstock voucher) = 16. We have to see 16 shops in total in Ante 5. 3 shops we see naturally (after beating an ante) so we have to reroll 13 times total in 3 rounds,i.e., 13/3= 4.3 ~ 4/5 rerolls per round.

Some of these shop queues will be a little bit off. As the analzer assumes we have taken every voucher, so because of vouchers like planet & tarot merchant,
So if we have not taken these vouchers, the number will be
a little bit higher.

I also picked up Trading Card, Stuntman and Midas Mask during the run. Can't remember where the Mime was exactly, most probably its in Ante 6 somewhere.

Use Seance on Ante 10 to get Deja Vu and Cryptid. Make sure to copy seance to get both simultaneously.

Do not get Brainstorm in the first shop of Ante 10, as there will be no space, play a round get both spectrals, sell seance and then go for Brainstorm.

Use Blueprint on Mime during the rounds to get $9 per gold card.

loud quail
# solemn canyon I don't have specific route written down for it, but I can provide general guide...

https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/?ante=13&cardsPerAnte=15%2C30%2C50%2C75%2C100%2C125%2C150%2C175%2C200%2C200%2C200%2C200%2C200&deck=Plasma+Deck&version=10014&seed=RTGAME
My online seed analyzer doesn’t have that issue of auto-redeeming vouchers, so the actual placements end up being:
Ante 3: #32 Blueprint
Ante 5: #27 Baron, #86 Blueprint
Ante 9: #52 Seance, #54 Sixth Sense, #74 Brainstorm
Ante 10; #27 Brainstorm

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As for the other Jokers you mention:
Trading Card - Ante 4 #4
Stuntman - Ante 2 #6
Midas Mask - Ante 3 #9
Mime - Ante 1 #10 or Ante 5 #65

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Exploring the seance and sixth sense queues more may make it possible to obtain ectoplasm in ante 9 or 10

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Besides that there’s no way to get negatives besides Negative Tags. In Ante 4 Invisible Joker is #26 so it may be possible to line it up, but that seems unlikely

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I don’t have the reroll queues listed out on there but it may be possible to get more desirable jokers earlier with them

solemn canyon
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Showman is an issue with this seed, can you find an earlier showman?

loud quail
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Let me check if it appears in the reroll queues

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Here's where Showman appears that may be realistic:
Ante 8, as the 5th Joker in the Uncommon Reroll Queue
Ante 10, as the 1st Joker in the Secondary Uncommon Reroll Queue

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the first few jokers in the Uncommon Reroll Queue are Four Fingers, Pareidolia, and Marble Joker
Four Fingers appears in Ante 9 #66 and Ante 2 #17
Pareidolia doesn't appear
Marble Joker appears in Ante 3 #24

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The issue with getting Showman this way, though, is that you’re pretty much playing with 4 joker slots in ante 10, which gives Showman no benefit

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if we want more jokers, Ectoplasm appears as the 2nd Spectral from Ante 10 Sixth Sense and the 3rd Spectral from Ante 11 Seance

solemn canyon
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Then the only hope is invisible of Ante 4

loud quail
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Ankh also doesn’t appear early in the queues until ante 13, so we can’t do ankh/ectoplasm strategies anyway (even if those jokers are eternal)

solemn canyon
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Sixth sense isn't compatible with copiers, so we can get atmost 3 spectrals from it

loud quail
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Ah

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We can still get ectoplasm by using it in two rounds, and then buy Showman

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Which may make it possible to get an extra Brainstorm (although the issue of not having enough slots before persists)

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Because if you have Baron, Mime, Sixth Sense, Seance, and Perkeo, this strategy is actually worse since you have no more slots

lean solar
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You can't copy jokers that destroy something as the first hand/discard used aka trading card or sixth sense

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You can copy card creators though

loud quail
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Invisible Joker coming after a Foil Joker might make that strategy viable for getting an extra joker

solemn canyon
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We can buy negative invisible from Ante 4 and sell it after all of our jokers are set. But its uncertain what invisible will give us

loud quail
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just ran this in debug mode to confirm the setup works

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you need $56 for all the rerolls, and then $15 to buy it

loud quail
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And from there you can’t really control what it gives

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You’d want Perkeo, Blueprint, or Brainstorm to affect it the most

solemn canyon
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Is there something like it gives the first and last joker only

loud quail
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But really anything will help and maybe save an ante or two

loud quail
solemn canyon
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Ohh

loud quail
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Not sure how reflective this is of what Invis will actually do but I manually spawned every joker in, in the order they appear, and I got Baron

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I then spawned them in a different order and got Blueprint

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I’m going to try getting them all from the shop now and seeing what happens

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I tried buying them when they spawned naturally

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I got Baron again

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so that's likely what is copied

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Getting Blueprint in ante 5 could change it, but that seems unreasonable

solemn canyon
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We can sell the Ante 3 blueprint before getting the Ante 5 one, but will it affect invisible?

loud quail
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Let me look more into it but I think invis goes based on the order you buy Jokers, and now Blueprint would take Baron’s spot as the 3rd joker

solemn canyon
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Ohh

loud quail
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Yeah that’s what it looks like in the code

solemn canyon
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Ante 12 Naneinf

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11 doesn't seem possible because of showman

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I tried burglar serpent as well but there is no serpent within first 20 Antes. And we don't have unlimited rerolls

loud quail
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6/5 joker slots is wild, I want to see RTGame’s reaction to that

loud quail
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Maybe you could copy a few hermits to get just enough money for the rerolls?

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Or temperance is probably better

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Wait never mind - you don’t have Retcon

solemn canyon
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Yeah lol, Money is not a problem after Ante 5. With Blueprint & Mime, each gold card gives 9$. I had like $300 left after buying branistorm, I spent all in shops for more deaths, hanged mans and plutos.

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I even tried selling perkeo at the end of Ante 11 to buy DNA. According to my calculations, I would be 3-4 cryptids away from Naneinf. But, when I sold Perkeo, the slots went to 5/5 from 6/5

loud quail
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Yeah, when you sell Invis you lose the joker slot

drowsy osprey
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now that im free from exam stress, im gonna try some testing with version hopping

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specifically to try and see if i can smuggle a showman in from beta to current version

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cause it seems highly impractical to try and find showman naturally in current version, especially considering how deep it is into shop queues

loud quail
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Version hopping is huge actually

drowsy osprey
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version hopping also turns the invisible joker into brainstorm

loud quail
drowsy osprey
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that was something thath i used in the original route (showcased in rt's vid)

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now im just trying to unwind how the joker queues have "shifted" because i routed showman into that route via a judgement while you had idol in hand

loud quail
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When I get home I can run the analyzers on 1.0.1e; there’s no Showmans there that are convenient without resampling queues

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Even 1.0.1c doesn’t rly have any good ones

drowsy osprey
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unfortunate that you can no longer freely access it tho

loud quail
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You can download the version manually with Steam console and SteamDB

drowsy osprey
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ideally we can find a showman as early if not earlier in 1.0.1e, but if it comes to it we can use that

loud quail
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That might be a bit too cheeky though if 1.0.1e also has an accessible one in Judgement or reroll queues

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As you said

lean solar
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btw when you adding the judgement items in the soul math?

loud quail
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I can enhance The Soul tonight or tomorrow

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I was focusing more on the new UI (which would have that) but that will take me much longer to make

lean solar
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also is there any big change that you need to add from 1.0.1c to 1.0.1e?

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in the rng

drowsy osprey
loud quail
loud quail
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The game generates a number from 0-1 and goes in the order of the collection for each rarity to pick the actual joker

supple mason
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version hopping will be dead once the update goes to full branch right?

loud quail
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Not really

supple mason
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how would you downgrade?

loud quail
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I imagine version hopping will be treated like profile manipulation as taboo

loud quail
drowsy osprey
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so it would be flower pot, since what happens between current patch/beta is seeing double on current patch and idol on beta (idol is one to the left on beta)

loud quail
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To manually download older game versions

supple mason
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ahh gotcha

loud quail
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I’m getting Merry Andy turning into Showman

drowsy osprey
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which makes me... very confused

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not sure if i modified my collection order, do you know a way to reset it?

loud quail
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As well as Flower Pot

loud quail
drowsy osprey
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something strange is that both 1.0.1c and 1.0.1e spawned Idol if you did not own it when using the judgement in the arcana pack in ante 5

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but its replaced by Showman in 1.0.1c and replaced by OA6s in 1.0.1e

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i dont remember the inverse order on 1.0.1c (using judgement then rerolling into what wouldve been idol)

loud quail
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Since that’s the Uncommon Joker before Showman

drowsy osprey
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we have a deadline, oh boy

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either that or use the SteamDB thing

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if experimental goes live later this week

loud quail
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We’re close to putting it together, honestly

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Just have to finalize the route, see if version hopping can improve it and send it to RTGame

loud quail
drowsy osprey
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earliest showman thats practical is probably the ante 11 one in 2nd uncommon shop queue

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seems like 1.0.1c is the best option for smuggling a showman unless theres something weird with judgement getting replaced by something else

solemn canyon
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Make sure to play this whole run in the current patch 1.0.0.

Ante 1: #5 Temperance
Ante 2: #2 Mail-in-Rebate, #6 Stuntman
Ante 3: #9 Midas Mask, #20 Egg, #32 Blueprint
Ante 4: #4 Trading Card,#26 Invisible Joker
Ante 5: #27 Baron, #65 Mime, #86 Blueprint
Ante 9: #52 Seance
Ante 10; #27 Brainstorm

Here is the route:

Ante 1:
Shop 2 Get overstock Voucher and Tempetance, Do not use temperance.

Ante 2:
Shop 1 - Get Mail-in-rebate,
Shop 2 -Get Stuntman,
No rerolling.

Ante 3: For Blueprint at #32, we have to reroll 8 times total.
reroll 2-3 Times in each shop and get Blueprint in the third shop.
Buy Midas Mask & Egg when you see them while rerollling. Make sure to play as many face cards as you can after acquiring midas mask.
Keep the blueprint at Stuntman while scoring.

Ante 4:
Shop 1- Reroll 7 times for the negative invisible setup. Stop rerolling after seeing Polychrome Mad Joker. Sell Midas Mask & pick up Trading Card during rerolls.

Skip for the negative tag.

In the next shop, there will be negative invisible joker, buy it and keep it, we will sell it in Ante 10 for an Extra joker slot.
Make sure to discard and get most gold cards in the hand before playing.

Use trading Card to delete low cards from the deck (2-9). Later we will need to play a straight flush.

Ante 5:

We have to go #86 Blueprint, but we don't have to do it in 3 rounds, there will be heiroglyph voucher in Ante 6 which will take us back to Ante 5, so we will have 6 rounds total in Ante 5.

Reroll 4 times in each shop.
For baron, sell mail-in-rebate

As soon as you go to Ante 6, pick up heiroglyph immidiately, then reroll 4 times

For Mime, sell egg. Make sure to use temperance in the consumable slot before selling.

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Before going to the 6th shop of Ante 5, Sell Blueprint, reroll 3-4 times and pick up the blueprint in the shop.

This rebuying Blueprint was because of Invisible Joker. If we didn't do it. Invisible would've given us Baron. Now Invisible would give us Blueprint.

Now that we have mime, money is no issue for us, keep doing what you were doing. Make sure to move the blueprint to mime quickly as soon as you play the hand so that each gold card will give $9.

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Ante 6,7,8: Nothing to reroll for here. Gather money, delete cards, open booster packs, and get steel kings (Even 1 would be enough). Stuntman will take care of scoring.

Ante 9:
Make sure to have a straight flush in your deck if not, do deck manipulation, & convert suits.
Sell Stuntman for Perkeo,
Reroll 4-5 times in each round and in the final round, sell trading card to buy Seance.
Stop discarding for gold cards, discard for Kings and keep Blueprint, Baron.

Ante 10:
Shop 1 - Do not Roll for Brainstorm, we don't have space.
Round 1- Keep Blueprint on Seance & Play the straight flush to get 2 spectrals( Deja Vu & Cryptid). Use Deja Vu immidiately if you have a steel king in hand.
Move blueprint to Baron for scoring.

Shop 2 - Reroll 7 times for Brainstorm, we could've rerolled 3 times in last shop & 4 times here for money, but we have excess money now.
Sell Seance, Buy Brainstorm. Now we have our perfect joker set up. Sell the negative invisible, we will get Blueprint.
Make sure you have nothing except cryptid in consumable slot, and start duping.

Ante 11: More duping

Ante 12: Last round, we finally have enough.
Get one red steel king in hand, use all the cryptids, keep 2 copiers on Baron and 1 on Mime & play the hand.

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Get all the helpful vouchers in general but do not take the planet merchant or you won't get heiroglyph

small arrow
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how did we go from hack idol getting to ante 26 to getting naneinf in ante 13

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optimising is crazy

drowsy osprey
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good shite

small arrow
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Is there an external tool that lets you see the list of tarot/planet/jokers for every ante or is it just hours of trial and error

solemn canyon
left jacinth
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If it's okay with yourselves, would be happy to showcase this on stream

lean solar
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I think the entire reason he put in the effort is so you can show the peak of how the seed can be played

I ain't him but it wouldn't make sense to not

solemn canyon
loud quail
left jacinth
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Thank you! Noted there. Is there a way to do that via Steam?

loud quail
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Use the manifest ID 1435140510430378530 (the previous non-experimental build)

left jacinth
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Thanks there!

loud quail
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yw

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lmk if you have any issues

analog remnant
low thunder
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How far are you people going to push this

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I made this thread as a joke balatrojoker

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(Keep going btw)

lean solar
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I mean inf was done, ante 39 was done, only thing left you could consider as improvement is how early can you get inf and even that was reduced to ante 12

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Maybe you could do the theoretical highest score past inf improvement

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Like what I did with my old god seed

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I posted it and people tried to see who can get the highest score past inf

loud quail
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Also it’s now version locked, since there’s not a Perkeo anymore

low thunder
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No way to downgrade?

lean solar
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There is a way to downgrade using the steam console method

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Math knows about it I personally don't know how to do it since I don't need it

loud quail
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Ye, I told RTGame how to do that

drowsy osprey
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i lost the urge to keep optimizing this seed ever since Bhavya managed to break ante 39 and ante 12 naneinf

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one theoretical improvement that could be made is an earlier naneinf using version hopping for showman + negative brainstorm

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and even then, itll be at most one or two rounds earlier since perkeo appears so late

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so honestly not worth the effort imo

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i believe the era of optimizing the rtgame seed is over

left jacinth
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Ah yous did amazing though, genuinely been really cool to see. Thanks gang for everything here 🙂

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Still hoping to give it one more go and try reach that infinity

gleaming bobcat
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are you going to stream it drift king?

low thunder
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Thank you for your efforts jolteon

drowsy osprey
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i did hypothesize version swapping but clearly it wasnt necessary

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once perkeo was found, Bhavya took the reins and went the rest of the way

lean solar
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I get what you're saying but take the compliment lmao, you've also put in effort is what he was trying to say xd

left jacinth
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Oh my God I haven't unlocked it hahaha. Figured it out!

loud quail
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Seeds depend on joker unlocks, so I’d recommend playing on an unlocked profile

low thunder
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We are ready for tech support

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Mr Rumble Tumble

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O7, we wish you luck

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He forgot the mail 💀

idle violet
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foolishness


low thunder
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Uhhhhh

idle violet
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whah oh

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does that affect anything?

low thunder
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will it be enough

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@drowsy osprey before or after

low thunder
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WE DID IT

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INFINITY

solar crest
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clap, everyone 🙏

limpid crag
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Ayyy

pseudo crane
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The next thing we need to do is to get the RTGame seed to Ante 39

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I don't know if it's even possible

molten jasper
lost solstice
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i can check

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i have them all

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just give me the guide

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but...

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if its on an experimental version i cant

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oh course mime baron

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oh i see

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already done

low thunder
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that was 3 months ago

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legendary soul was perkeo, which dan used in the infinity run

cosmic latch
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So I did the seed in update 1.0, everything is correct all the way to séance, where it gives me two other spectral cards other than deja vu and cryptid..

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Is there something that I'm missing?

cosmic latch
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I have figured it out!

ornate mica
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yall have a guide?

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ah nvm

bronze pumice
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FAKFHV3

low thunder
rocky ridge
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Literally the drift king

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I wish i could play this seed, sadly i'm not on the old patch

stuck pivot
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flush 5 got to e100, with enough blueprint/brainstorm to get negative eris

low thunder
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Bumping this

finite bobcat
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interesting