RTGAME - How much can we min max this (WE HIT NANEINF) | Balatro | Page 1

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:37 PM

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Dan is playing this seed on stream and from what I have seen it’s REALLY FUCKING GOOD. I want to genuinely know how far this seed can go.
Abandoned Deck
Black Stakes
Experimental

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https://www.twitch.tv/rtgame we can check the vod of the run

Twitch

RTGame - Twitch

Pre-Birthday Balatro, I must beat Ante 14 specifically to beat mscupcakes (call out stream)

▶ Play video

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He is playing on the no face deck, black stake

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That is what we are checking for

random trail Apr 12, 2024, 7:39 PM

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this on experimental?

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:39 PM

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Yes

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There is a legendary on ante 8 I think but Dan skipped it since it would of likely been shit

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We should probably check what it is

random trail Apr 12, 2024, 7:40 PM

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what is the seed?

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look man i dont have the experimental build but cheking the legendary would probably help

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 7:41 PM

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seed is literally just "RTGAME"

random trail Apr 12, 2024, 7:42 PM

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if its tiboulet it could drasticaly increase score

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 7:42 PM

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changing deck to plasma can easily make the output score significantly larger and from when i played it, there was a significant lack of blueprints/brainstorms

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so i doubt this can go infinite with steel retriggers

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:43 PM

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random trail what is the seed?

There seed is RTGAME

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I jokingly suggested when Dan started “hey Dan you should put RTGAME as the seed”

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And apparently

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It’s really fucking good

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We know there is a legendary soul on ante 8

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Dan skipped it

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But we know there is a legendary soul on ante 8 that MIGHT be good with this seed

random trail Apr 12, 2024, 7:44 PM

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honestly i dont feel getting experimental patch right now but chekking legendary would probably help

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:44 PM

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Can someone check what the legendary is please?

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 7:44 PM

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on second negative tag, it hits trading card so it might enable some absurd things from the legendary joker

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:45 PM

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I don’t have all the jokers so I can’t run it myself yet

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 7:45 PM

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low thunder Can someone check what the legendary is please?

im gonna try it later today

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i skipped the legendary on my run too but thats because too many eternals

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i also remember finding DNA along the way there

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:47 PM

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Jesus Christ I can’t believe this seed

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I believe someone on the RTGame discord got to fucking ante 17 on this?

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Let me check

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Oh wait

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That’s you

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balatrojoker

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Lmao

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I’m stupid

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 7:49 PM

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yes hello

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this thing

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oops, not ante 17, but still high

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:49 PM

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Do you think it can be pushed further

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 7:49 PM

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absolutely

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for one, i used abandoned deck on black stake and not plasma

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second, i used red seal 4s which mightve been red seal kings/queens with triboulet instead

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i dont think there were enough of steel card synergies to go that path (baron, mime, showman, brainstorm/blueprint)

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:53 PM

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we just need someone to go check the legendary soul

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@analog remnant

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Are you in a run right now

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 7:59 PM

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no

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I'm in a car

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rn

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 7:59 PM

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Cool

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Ok let’s make a list of info we need

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1 check what the legendary soul is on ante 8
2 look for any interesting combos

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 8:00 PM

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3 look for vouchers that allow for spectrals in some way

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(consumable slot + omen globe / pack prices)

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 8:00 PM

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so we're locked to abandoned right?

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 8:00 PM

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yes

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:00 PM

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Abandoned is what RT is running

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Abandoned Black Stake

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 8:01 PM

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havent actually tried it myself, does deck influence what you get from a seed?

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 8:01 PM

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no

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 8:01 PM

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well

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complicated

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:01 PM

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We CAN play it in vanilla deck and see if it would be better there

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 8:02 PM

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let's play with what rt did

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I think

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:02 PM

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No face cards might be tough

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If the legendary is face card related we might consider switching to a different deck

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 8:03 PM

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because of trading card though, we can just dig for face cards with standard packs

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 8:03 PM

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if it is we can spectral / strength card

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 8:03 PM

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cuz theres a trading card somewhere along the way

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somene needs to rush the legendary yoker first tho

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:04 PM

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We just need someone to check up on what the joker is

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 8:05 PM

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if its a scaling joker

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it might be better to fish for ante shop pools

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:12 PM

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So

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 8:18 PM

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didnt watch vod but ante 5 idol appears

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and a hack

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if i could go back i wouldnt have any eternals lol

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 8:21 PM

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main deck strategy will probably be idol + hack + bloodstone + OA6 (because all of those appear eventually)

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:21 PM

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Holy shit Dan is about to get to ante 14

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 8:21 PM

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or idol spam with brainstorm/blueprint if anyone can manage to find either one or showman

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:37 PM

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He ended it on ante 13

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@elder imp @raw pike

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Since you two are from the RTGame discord I assume you would be interested in this

elder imp Apr 12, 2024, 8:53 PM

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ah yes, reason i joined the balatro server actually 😅

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:53 PM

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Fun fact! I am the person who even suggested Dan does this seed

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I’m the reason the entire thing happened blueprint

elder imp Apr 12, 2024, 8:53 PM

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yeah i saw!! incredible

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what a cool seed

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 8:54 PM

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I didn’t know it was this good I just thought “hey Dan it might be cool to check out a seed like RTGame”

elder imp Apr 12, 2024, 8:54 PM

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HEHEH

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well it turned out great!! i would offer to help map the seed but unfortunately i don't have balatro myself yet 🥲

raw pike Apr 12, 2024, 8:57 PM

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same as pandragora

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just here to keep a "bookmark"

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as I will kill my productivity if i get the game and i can't have that for now

elder imp Apr 12, 2024, 8:58 PM

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yeah same here, i'm waiting until i graduate

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 9:00 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/rtgame

Twitch

RTGame - Twitch

Hi I'm an Irish guy that plays games. Enjoy my content, or else.

▶ Play video

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:00 PM

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low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Watch the vod and just put it on x2 speed

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Get us the results

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🫡

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 9:02 PM

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raw pike just here to keep a "bookmark"

unfortunately, this post may be deleted after some time (i think after its inactive for a bit)

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may want to move it over to rt's server for that reason

low thunder Apr 12, 2024, 9:02 PM

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As long as we are active

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It won’t happen

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 9:03 PM

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welp time to delve into the seed again with plasma deck this time

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:10 PM

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so what was his record?

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 9:18 PM

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first run attempt I got this info:

Ante 4 Negative Skip -> Negative Trading Card + Hack
Ante 5 first shop reroll twice(?) -> Idol
Ante 5 second shop standard pack -> retrigger lucky 4
Ante 7 Director's cut
Ante 7 second shop reroll once -> OA6

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nothing of note from wraith in spectrals

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:22 PM

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i dunno if you can get past ante 16

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LOL

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okay nvm

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i dont think re-running would get me any further so this is my second and also probably best possible attempt

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maybe i missed something though

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:36 PM

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dude the luckys in this seed are nuts

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legendary is a yorick

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uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:40 PM

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there's another one btw (legendary) in like ante 11 or 13 ish

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but no legendary at ante 9 is going to matter, at least i dont think so

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unlessssss it was perkeo and we had satelite, but neither are true

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:42 PM

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there is a wee in ante 9's queue

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bit late for it though tbh

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 9:42 PM

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second run attempt (additional info):

Ante 5 second shop tarot pack judgement: Showman
Ante 8 (with Ankh): DNA
Ante 9 (with Ankh) first shop spectral pack with soul: Yorick (oof)

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which seems to be confirmed with other ppl

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:45 PM

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hmm

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im thinking

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there's a negative tag in ante 2 right?

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if you have overstock you get an oops

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i wonder if there's any way for it to land on the oops

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:46 PM

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you mean the second negative?

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the first one lands on the x2 its pretty important imo

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:47 PM

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you reckon?

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:47 PM

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well, maybe you survive without it, i know i was close to losing quite afew times

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:47 PM

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poly invis

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:47 PM

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then you get seltzer and you're good.

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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does the invis hit anything good

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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i never saw inmvis joker

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was that ante 17?

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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ante 10

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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wow, nice you found something i didn't then, no idea what it hits

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:49 PM

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Prayge bloodstone

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in my build it hits chad first pair second

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 9:49 PM

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cursive bane if you have overstock you get an oops

when do you get an OA6s in ante 2?

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i havent seen that at all yet

uneven gyro Apr 12, 2024, 9:49 PM

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if it does hit bloodstone or idol, you could probably go up to ante 19 or maybe 20

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:50 PM

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idk it was the first run i did on the seed

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where i didnt skip anything

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idk maybe i fucked something up LOL

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but you get oa6s very early

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invis didnt hit shit for me

drowsy osprey Apr 12, 2024, 9:51 PM

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cursive bane but you get oa6s very early

well with or without rerolling, trying the first negative tag a couple of times always gave negative on the Duo

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with overstock

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idk if theres a way to avoid that, might be worthwhile to just not take the negative tag in the first place

cursive bane Apr 12, 2024, 9:51 PM

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hmm

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bleh

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has anybody tried with ghost?

analog remnant Apr 12, 2024, 11:08 PM

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I can push

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can we make a gc?

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might be easier to rig if we can communicate easily

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 12:01 AM

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Notes on 3rd test run:

Ante 3 shop 3 (after big blind) has red seal 2 of clubs
Ante 5 Negative tag: Rerolled 7 times and found brainstorm 2nd slot -> hypothetical negative brainstorm if you reroll 14 times without overstock?

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Plasma Deck start:

Round 1: Play 3-7 straight
Round 2: Play heart flush
Round 3: Discard for diamond flush. Buy tarot pack for judgement into Scary Face
Round 4: Discard for spade flush. Buy Arrowhead
Round 5: Discard for spade flush. Buy spectral pack -> Immolate
Round 6: Discard for spade flush.
Round 7: Discard for 3-7 straight with all spades but 4 of diamonds
Round 8: Discard for spade flush, play full house found. Buy both packs (red seal 2 of clubs from standard, To The Moon from joker). Buy discard voucher(?)
Round 9: Discard for spade flush. Use Hermit. Reroll once for trading card. Reroll once for Hack. Reroll as many times as possible. (7 times?)
Round 10: Use Trading Card then discard for spade flush. Reroll twice for NEGATIVE BRAINSTORM

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@low thunder

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now, i need to check if i can get negative on brainstorm while getting overstock

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 12:43 AM

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Plasma Deck start (revised):

Round 1: Play 3-7 straight
Round 2: Play heart flush. Buy Overstock
Round 3: Discard for diamond flush. Buy tarot pack for judgement into Scary Face
Round 4: Discard for spade flush. Buy Arrowhead
Round 5: Discard for spade flush. Buy spectral pack -> Immolate. Buy Hone
Round 6: Discard for spade flush.
Round 7: Discard for 3-7 straight with all spades but 4 of diamonds
Round 8: Discard for spade flush, play full house found. Buy both packs (red seal 2 of clubs from standard, To The Moon from joker). Buy discard voucher(?)
Round 9: Discard for spade flush. Use Hermit. Reroll once for Trading Card and - Hack. Reroll 5 times then go to next blind.
Round 10: Use Trading Card then discard for spade flush. Reroll once for NEGATIVE BRAINSTORM

Other Notes:

Ante 5 Shop 1: Reroll twice for idol
Ante 5 Shop 2: Open tarot pack for Judgement -> Showman
Ante 6 Shop 1: Do NOT buy spectral pack (Wraith/Ankh)
Ante 6 (with Ankh) Shop 1: Reroll into OA6s and Totem (replacing showman with totem and not taking OA6s for now)
Ante 7: Do NOT reroll boss blind (rolls into the Goad, debuffs spades)

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:36 AM

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yk

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this seems very broken down already x3

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:37 AM

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not quite yet

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still workin on it

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:39 AM

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i can help in vc after a bit

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still trying to max my tourney seed rn

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:41 AM

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progress so far

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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idol is

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odd

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why are you brainstorming dna at the end of the round?

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did you switch it?

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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i forgor 💀

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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LOL

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bs hack plz

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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all the cards are red sealed lucky, brainstorm is better on idol for now i think

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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lucky is

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meh tbh

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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since its 3 * 3 = 9 versus 2 * 4 = 8

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currently turning them all into glasses, which hack would be better

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:50 AM

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ah

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true

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vc?

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:50 AM

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no thanks

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:50 AM

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you dont have to talk

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i just want to help

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:52 AM

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where would we even vc

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:52 AM

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dms

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or a group chat

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:53 AM

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i presume you are in the rtgame discord?

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:53 AM

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im not

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but i can join

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 1:53 AM

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well ill be chilling in there

analog remnant Apr 13, 2024, 1:53 AM

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beat you there

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 2:55 AM

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here's the optimized run i did, tried to push it as far as it could

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here's the details about jokers/deck:

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its ogre

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if anyone wants to try and push this further, avoid using wheel of fortunes so you can have the opportunity to use Ectoplasm on your jokers

dusty gyro Apr 13, 2024, 10:23 AM

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interesting how a run can be that optimized

low thunder Apr 13, 2024, 10:50 AM

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drowsy osprey here's the optimized run i did, tried to push it as far as it could

NICE WORK

cursive bane Apr 13, 2024, 11:47 AM

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drowsy osprey here's the optimized run i did, tried to push it as far as it could

goat

drowsy osprey Apr 13, 2024, 4:49 PM

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dusty gyro interesting how a run can be that optimized

if i had some application to read into the seed (which probably does exist) i couldve tried getting more negative jokers. only reason i had a fuck ton of instructions was to reroll manip to land negative on brainstorm, which i tried and successfully calculated

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BUT, apparently you can find Perkeo somewhere early if you are using Ghost Deck

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at least, thats what somenoe else said

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if you get an early perkeo, you can go actual infinite with steels

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i dont know if the same negative brainstorm setup will work tho

left jacinth Apr 17, 2024, 12:30 PM

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Eyo gang

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Actually insane levels of optimisation here

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Very tempted to try this on a future stream just to showcase the absurdity of it

left jacinth Apr 17, 2024, 12:33 PM

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drowsy osprey Plasma Deck start (revised): - Round 1: Play 3-7 straight - Round 2: Play heart ...

Would this be the route you'd still recommend?

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Negative Brainstorm is actually insane too

uneven gyro Apr 17, 2024, 5:09 PM

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If you're going to change the deck to get an even higher score, then yes defintely follow their line.

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But the negative brainstorm is insane no matter what, huge find you want to follow to that point either way i think

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though im not sure if it works out on non-plasma the same way since spade flush is very strong specifically on plasma

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 5:30 PM

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i used plasma deck since there didnt appear to be a Perkeo somewhere early (reason why people run ghost instead of plasma)

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general game plan is to bank off of Arrowhead for massive chips, then pivot into totem + hack flush fives once you set up your deck properly (all cards are 2 of spades with retrigger)

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while i did eventually change the spades into hearts for bloodstone, it would be better to just have only totems and no bloodstones since you dont need Oops! All 6s with only totems

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so, keeping showman is the play

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also, trading card + DNA somewhere in ante 8 with brainstorm can help fill your deck with glass 2s to make totem consistent

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and one more thing: because totem only needs 5 cards to be scored, you only need a handsize of 4 (copy a card twice with DNA + brainstorm to get 5) to play a flush five

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so, you should be able to get 2 negative jokers from ectoplasm (or three if you get more hand size from vouchers/jokers), so dont use wheel of fortune on the jokers

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 5:43 PM

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uneven gyro though im not sure if it works out on non-plasma the same way since spade flush ...

im fairly certain this works out on other deck types too (at least ones that dont modify shops, if my understanding of shop rerolls is correct)

uneven gyro Apr 17, 2024, 5:44 PM

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im talking about survivability/income, the shops dont change yes

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 5:45 PM

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you dont need THAT much survivability, i mostly did the optimization because i originally was planning on rerolling 14 times without overstock

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until i realized that i could still get it with overstock

left jacinth Apr 17, 2024, 5:48 PM

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This is several levels ahead of my knowledge but great info nonetheless, thank you very much ❤️

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 5:51 PM

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may also need to get 100% jokers, unsure how that interacts with shops

low thunder Apr 17, 2024, 5:57 PM

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left jacinth Eyo gang

Hey dan

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I was the person who even suggested the idea of using the RTGame seed

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holy fuck I wasn't expecting it to be so broken jesus

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I was losing my mind live during the stream

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it was crazy

stray hill Apr 17, 2024, 6:33 PM

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drowsy osprey if i had some application to read into the seed (which probably does exist) i co...

Your wish etc etc

📎 RTGAME_-_Analyzer.txt

low thunder Apr 17, 2024, 8:30 PM

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@drowsy osprey ok let’s try optimising it further

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Since if rt wants to do this tomorrow let’s make it as crazy as possible

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 8:33 PM

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ok does someone have a dock off all antes and information?

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and what is the legendary on ante 8?

low thunder Apr 17, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Check the analyzer

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We have a run made already

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 8:35 PM

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do you guys take the mime?

low thunder Apr 17, 2024, 8:35 PM

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drowsy osprey Plasma Deck start (revised): - Round 1: Play 3-7 straight - Round 2: Play heart ...

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random trail Apr 17, 2024, 8:39 PM

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kinda sad there is no way to get the mime and baron cus they are both on ante 1

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do you have any way to get 11 rerlls on ante 3?

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wait is the seed data might be wrong if the round descriptions are accurate

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wait is it meant to say rerroll twice on ante 4 for idoll and not ante 5?

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nvm

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ye no seems pretty optimised there is a baron mime angle that exists here and it might be better, but its probbably not if u really want u can test it out

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but this seems pretty optimimised already

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 10:02 PM

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i dont think you can find mime/baron early enough

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plus, mime/baron arent great unless you have a mass quantity of blueprints/brainstorms and/or you have perkeo

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totem works just as well if not better with mass blueprints/brainstorms and there isnt an early perkeo

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 10:14 PM

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low thunder Check the analyzer

i dont exactly understand the analyzer but it seems that we may be able to pick up a blueprint in ante 3 or an invisible joker in ante 4

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both may be too far away/too expensive tho

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:18 PM

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wait... this analyzer might be wrong

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it says that you find Onyx Agate relatively soon in Ante 2 but you actually find Arrowhead instead

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nevermind.

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some jokers are correct, some arent? its a lil weird

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anyway, there IS a blueprint that can be found in Ante 2 but its really far away

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welp, time to draft yet another route

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:24 PM

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blueprint might make it better

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but ye the analyzer did seem a little of

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:24 PM

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blueprint will certainly make it better, but is it possible to get both blueprint and negative brainstorm?

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:24 PM

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im not sure worth cheking

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:24 PM

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because thats a LOT of money in rerolls

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:25 PM

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if you get rebate and play it perfectly u might

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just divide the rerolls evenly

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:25 PM

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gonna check the math soon

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:25 PM

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technicaly each round can give +15 in rebate value

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:26 PM

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according to analyzer, rebate doesn't show up

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nvm it does

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:26 PM

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ante 2

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ah ok u saw it

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do u also know if there is a way to get red seals?

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:27 PM

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wait no

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rebate actually doesnt show up when playing the seed

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:28 PM

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ah ye the analyzer do be funky

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i think its cus the seed logic changed between versions

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:28 PM

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random trail ah ok u saw it

i found a red seal in a pack early on, but might need to adjust that money for blueprint/negative brainstorm

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:29 PM

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ah cus 5 red seals is another like 4X^5

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might be 4X^10 if ur using hack

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:29 PM

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originally bought the pack in ante 3 but may adjust to ante 5 now

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:30 PM

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does pack logic change between antes

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cus basic shop logic is locked too each ante

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:31 PM

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i think packs are locked to ante as well unless its standard pack

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:32 PM

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ah ok

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well the way to improve it if it can be improved is to get the blueprint and to get red seal on all the glass cards

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:33 PM

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random trail well the way to improve it if it can be improved is to get the blueprint and to ...

that is what i did

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besides the blueprint

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in the original run

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:33 PM

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ah i see

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ye then blueprint get is the only feesible upgrade i can see

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:33 PM

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one other thing is that were using totem, so we only need 5 handsize

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:33 PM

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cus the legendary was not triboulet right

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:33 PM

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so we can use ectoplasm twice

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:34 PM

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random trail cus the legendary was not triboulet right

legendary was yorick

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:34 PM

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uuf

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the only thing about hand size is that you could argue steel value but negative increase is probably better

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:34 PM

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steel value is negligible if you dont have mime/barons

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:35 PM

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ye no i agree

drowsy osprey Apr 17, 2024, 11:35 PM

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again, wouldve used steel if perkeo was found

random trail Apr 17, 2024, 11:35 PM

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ye full steel hand rest after 2 ectos is only 9X mult

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seems like u have it figured out so just tell me if u manage to get the blueprint route working

short marsh Apr 18, 2024, 12:04 AM

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i just got here but are you doing abandoned black stake or plasma white stake

dawn fern Apr 18, 2024, 12:04 AM

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drowsy osprey again, wouldve used steel if perkeo was found

Just got here and read through this whole chat, ngl you are like my hero or something, this is SUPER cool

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I don't really get all the intricacies and am still early game, but massive power to all of you guys with this optimisation, this is amazing to watch

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:07 AM

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im not sure about deck but plasma is by far the best deck for going the farthest

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as it balances the equation

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sometimes people run ghost deck but thats mostly for perkeo runs

short marsh Apr 18, 2024, 12:09 AM

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ghost deck would barely do anything here tbh

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:10 AM

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ye probably not

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:10 AM

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so i think i can route in blueprint

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:10 AM

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yo

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:10 AM

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i just need to see if i can actually pull it off

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:10 AM

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also question what deck are u using

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:10 AM

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plasma deck, works best with totem

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and is just the best unless you have perkeo

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:11 AM

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ye thats what i tought just wanted to be sure

short marsh Apr 18, 2024, 12:11 AM

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random trail also question what deck are u using

im gonna use plasma since its def best late antes

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:11 AM

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would be hype if the blueprint route is possible

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then i also kinda helped in the optimiasation( not that much tho)

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:13 AM

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random trail then i also kinda helped in the optimiasation( not that much tho)

you provided the seed analysis, which notified me that blueprint can be obtained

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:13 AM

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les go

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:16 AM

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it was cutting it VERY VERY close

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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les gooooooooo

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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but its possibile

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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huge

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is the red seal still possible?

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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yeah, i think its in an ante 5 shop

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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yo then this is huge

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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now heres a question: is going for invisible joker worth it?

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:17 AM

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drowsy osprey now heres a question: is going for invisible joker worth it?

probably

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best case is another hack

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then u copy with blue print idol and get 2 hacks

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:18 AM

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cuz what im thinking is get showman for multiple idols

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:18 AM

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i mean another brainstorm/idol is also huge

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:19 AM

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ik you can get two idols by ante 8 using showman, but i had to sell showman then

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:19 AM

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2 idols is huge

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:19 AM

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cuz eventually youll get two more slots from two ectos, which then youd want one more of something you already have

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so i think keeping showman is right

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:20 AM

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ok so run it with me what is ur joker setup when there is an invis joker in the shop

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:20 AM

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will do

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:20 AM

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im assuming no ectos have been used

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:20 AM

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none as of yet (none have been found)

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:21 AM

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ok what are the jokers u have?

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:21 AM

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i havent been able to find invisible joker yet

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also, im just gonna put the revised version and notify dan

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:21 AM

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also there is a dna on ante 8 is that worth?

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:21 AM

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NEW SEED ROUTE @left jacinth

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Plasma Deck start v3:
Ante 1 Small Blind: Play 3-7 straight
Ante 1 Big Blind: Play heart flush.
Ante 1 Big Blind Shop: Buy Overstock, then Temperance
Ante 1 Boss Blind: Discard for diamond flush.

Ante 2 Small Blind: Discard for four of a kind 2s. Then, discard for two pair Q/Js.
Ante 2 Small Blind Shop: Buy Arrowhead
Ante 2 Big Blind: Discard for spade flush.
Ante 2 Big Blind Shop: Buy spectral pack -> Immolate
Ante 2 Boss Blind: Discard for spade flush.
Ante 2 Boss Blind Shop: Reroll three times

Ante 3 Small Blind: Discard for spade flush
Ante 3 Small Blind Shop: Reroll three times
Ante 3 Big Blind: Discard for spade flush, play full house found.
Ante 3 Big Blind Shop: Reroll twice then buy Blueprint.
Ante 3 Boss Blind: Discard for spade flush.
Ante 3 Boss Blind Shop: Buy Hermit, then reroll once for Trading Card and Hack. Use Temperance, then reroll 5 times.

Ante 4 Small Blind: Skip for Negative Tag
Ante 4 Big Blind: Use Trading Card then discard for spade flush.
Ante 4 Big Blind Shop: Reroll once for Negative Brainstorm. Buy Discard voucher

Other Notes:
Ante 5 Shop 1: Reroll twice for idol
Ante 5 Shop 2: Open tarot pack for Judgement -> Showman
Ante 6 Shop 1: Do NOT buy spectral pack (Wraith/Ankh)
Ante 6 (with Ankh) Shop 1: Reroll into OA6s and Totem (replacing showman with totem and not taking OA6s for now)
Ante 7: Do NOT reroll boss blind (rolls into the Goad, debuffs spades)

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:22 AM

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ok so acording too seed data there is a dna and misprint on ante 8

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:22 AM

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random trail also there is a dna on ante 8 is that worth?

i think rares in the analyzer are accurate

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since i found DNA then

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:23 AM

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ah ok then u could get 2 misprints with showman on ante 8

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:23 AM

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i took DNA early to setup totem quicker, but you may be able to ignore it for now

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at some point you need DNA to duplicate glasses so you dont run out

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:23 AM

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do you have overstock + or just regular overstock?

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:24 AM

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regular overstock

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whats unfortunate for the new routeis that you skip on getting Hone + Discard vouchers 😦

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:25 AM

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also ante 7 has a negative walkie talkie balatrojoker

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so if u did 4 spam it might do something(not really)

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oh this hurts

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you could have gotten blueprint in ante 7

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but its on the rare backup list

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wich means that you have to find a rare u already have

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but the shop has no rares

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on its list

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:27 AM

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unlucky

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:28 AM

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also is the immolate on ante 7 worth?

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 12:28 AM

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drowsy osprey Plasma Deck start v3: Ante 1 Small Blind: Play 3-7 straight Ante 1 Big Blind: Pl...

Thank you ❤️

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:28 AM

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more optimizations are underway

iron torrent Apr 18, 2024, 12:28 AM

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he's becoming too powerful huh

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Actually insane science under way

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:28 AM

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ye no anon is crazy

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 12:29 AM

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I'm gonna stream the route tomorrow evening, will absolutely credit yourself

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Insane science under way and very much appreciate the routing

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Toughest thing I need to remember is thinning the deck appropriately

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Did a mock run tonight and lost because the idol chose a jack haha

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:31 AM

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anon btw i found out there is aura on ante 2 it might be worth insepcting

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if its poly

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wait is on immolate pack prob not worth

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:33 AM

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it is

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:34 AM

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aura is worth or not worth?

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welp the blueprint is the only optimiasiation i can find with the data i have

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it stops at ante 8

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i guess just hunt for poly cards but u probably already do that

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:38 AM

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fuck

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i couldnt find a red seal card

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uhhh

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 12:38 AM

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getting the dna is very very significant from playing

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:39 AM

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there is a Deja Vu in a spectral pack post ante 8

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:39 AM

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wait there is a dusk on ante 5

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:39 AM

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but i think i screwed up the rng cuz i didnt take Hieroglyph

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:39 AM

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acording to the data

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:39 AM

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random trail wait there is a dusk on ante 5

i dont think dusk is worth a joker slot at ante 5 since you have Hack, Blueprint, Trading Card, Arrowhead, and Totem taking up slots

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tho now that i think about it, maybe you dont need hack that early?

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:40 AM

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i mean if u can get either hack or dusk later its pretty good

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 12:41 AM

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Red seal definitely needed somewhere yeah haha. Getting blueprint is genuinely insane in this though

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:41 AM

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ye it was very deep in rerrolls so its crazy that anon found the route

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atleast deep for early antes

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:42 AM

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i had only 4$ left to spare after doing all rerolls for negative brainstorm

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so yes, it was VERY close

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:42 AM

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what was the final setup u had btw

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at the end end

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:42 AM

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for my original optimized run?

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:42 AM

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ye

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 12:42 AM

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you can probably find it in an image in this thread

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im gonna go do colleg things then im hopping back onto this

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 12:43 AM

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getting blueprint instead of bloodstone is gonna be nice

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might be pretty basic but this should be an explentation of the optimal setup with the current route

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imma go sleep now

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 4:49 AM

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ONE LAST TIME, heres an improved route for this seed

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(its gotten so long that i need to put it into a txt file)

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its gotten so precise to the point where after rerolling 5times for negative brainstorm setup, you have EXACTLY ONE dollar left. you also have one dollar left (again) after getting Idol, Showman, and your retrigger 4.

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@left jacinth i apologize if this ping wakes you up at 6 in the morning

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the main change is that there is a lot more optimization of money, which lets you buy both Hanged Man and the Discard voucher in addition to all the rerolls

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 5:14 AM

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📎 RTGAMESeedPlasmaDeckRoutev4.txt

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 5:24 AM

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Fucking amazing work Jolteon

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Holy shit

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 5:33 AM

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i will not be sending the final score that i get (cuz thatd be boring) but this is proof of concept of what this seed can do

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 9:13 AM

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Thank you, very excited to try this. I'm guessing the reroll for the second idol early is no longer advised too?

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 3:05 PM

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nope. youll still probably find it but dont pick it up yet so you can keep trading card/arrowhead for longer.

left jacinth Apr 18, 2024, 3:09 PM

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Thank you!

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 3:25 PM

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pretty much all the updated info youll need is in the text document above and all the tips in the "Some Tips" section are relevant for after following all the steps

atomic pine Apr 18, 2024, 4:48 PM

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Holy fucking bingle chat

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good work

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 9:40 PM

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good work guys rt got really far with this

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:41 PM

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2.432e96

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A googl is possible if literally any dusk is acquired

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 9:41 PM

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ye probably its only 3 more triggers but it would probably work

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:46 PM

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Holy

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Fucking

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Shit

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Guys…

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@drowsy osprey

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Just had a realisation

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There might be a way to get more ectoplasm…

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Set up for 6’s and use spectral joker

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There is a chance

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For e100

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Not even just e100.

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Way further

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 9:58 PM

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The key difference

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Is more jokers

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Is that if we can keep DNA

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

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We have sustainablity

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

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That means we are no longer restricted to the hand size limit of 5.

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

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WAIT DNA AND SPECTRAL COMBO

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IN THIS CASD

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Which means we can squeeze one or two more Ectoplasms out of our handsize.

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 9:59 PM

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BOTH PROC AT THE SAME TIME

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:00 PM

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One very specific problem

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I dont think Dusk shows up anywhere early

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I swear it was up to ante 18 when it first showed up

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that might be too late

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:00 PM

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We can built with face cards

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Right?

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Make it so every card is considered a face card

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Retrigger all face cards

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:01 PM

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That is one extra joker slot that we take up

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However, it can be used as a crutch

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Ik sock and buskin is found relatively soon, not sure about pareidoilia

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 10:01 PM

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drowsy osprey One very specific problem

dusk showed up but there was only 1 ectoplasm that showed up

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he did not have space for it

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:02 PM

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random trail dusk showed up but there was only 1 ectoplasm that showed up

plan is to completely forsake Hack and go with Dusk

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 10:02 PM

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ah for sock value?

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:02 PM

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Sock and buskin in ante 2

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 10:02 PM

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can you still get blueprint with the sock?

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:02 PM

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Not before ante2, that screws up the money optimization

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 10:02 PM

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ah ok

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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Might be able to afford blueprint if you dont buy a discard voucher

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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It’s in ante 2

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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But that means the voucher pool gets messed up too

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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drowsy osprey But that means the voucher pool gets messed up too

Honestly

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Good

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What the FUCK was that voucher pool

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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True, the vouchers were very ass this run

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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ANTIMATTER AT 25???

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PM

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i mean if u can get animater faster that would be huge

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but im not sure thats possible

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the only way to get antimater earlier would be to buy more vouchers earlier

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:06 PM

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Jolteon

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:06 PM

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i have no idea how voucher queues work, especially if you throw in voucher skip tags too

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:06 PM

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Is your twitter anon jolteon

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:06 PM

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No.

low thunder Apr 18, 2024, 10:06 PM

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Like work to word?

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What’s your twitter

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So I can @ you

drowsy osprey Apr 18, 2024, 10:07 PM

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it is actually YellowCat (@YellowC53261900) since i used to go by that alias earlier

random trail Apr 18, 2024, 10:07 PM

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if i member right vouchers are coded to antes, and if you have a voucher thats supposed to show up on the ante it rolls a backup

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only way to get vouchers to show up earlier is to buy more vouchers

analog remnant Apr 18, 2024, 11:37 PM

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oh I havent been in here in a while

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actually nuts rtgame showed up in here lol

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@low thunder I also vced with anon to assist with build ideas on 4/12

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is there any appearance of diet cola?

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also, have we checked every negative tag under the sun, including on shop rerolls

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i could do the investigating

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here's the first one, arrowhead double reroll negative tag

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(im looking to see if something happens

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:05 AM

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first negative tag always lands on duo

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doesnt matter since we want to play that blind anyway for immolate money

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second negative tag can be maniped to land on brainstorm

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third negative tag (somewhere in ante 10-11) always lands on misprint and if you have double tag, faceless joker(?)

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basically something always irrelevant

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since showman is staying the entire time, i dont think you can manip these

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looking at RT's stream, there are no more negative tags until ante 26

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:09 AM

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damn wtf 😭

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wait

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would we get a better run on anaglyph

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x3

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:10 AM

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i doubt it

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:10 AM

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my main thing is like

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if we spam duplicate arcana packs

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couldn't we in theory basically force a soul after a certain point lol

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/ so much money

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:11 AM

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well theres a soul in ante 9 that gives yorick

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:11 AM

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hmmmm

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:11 AM

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do the tarot pack skips share the same card pool as the arcana packs in shop?

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if they do, then theres no point cuz RT opened every arcana pack and did not find a single soul

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plus someone else managed to get a soul but it wasnt perkeo

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:12 AM

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drowsy osprey do the tarot pack skips share the same card pool as the arcana packs in shop?

no

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different pool

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:12 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:12 AM

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do you see what im seeing

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:12 AM

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yeah im seeing it

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:12 AM

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WAIT

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spectral packs would go goofy

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:13 AM

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itd be very very annoying to route a path with anaglyph instead of plasma tho since the entire 2-10 antes are done by using only arrowhead + copy jokers

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:13 AM

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drowsy osprey itd be very very annoying to route a path with anaglyph instead of plasma tho si...

annoying, yes

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possibly better for score

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also yes

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:13 AM

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i think ill try the 6th sense idea first

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:13 AM

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can we vc again for it

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?

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:13 AM

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(using retrigger 6s + dusk instead of retrigger 4s + hack)

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:14 AM

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i wanna help some more

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:3

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:14 AM

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if i happen to be doing it, but i have no plans on tackling this seed for a few days

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:14 AM

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understandable

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:14 AM

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i spent about 5 hours last night minmaxing it before the stream

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:14 AM

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which i missed 😭

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:15 AM

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it was mostly trying to squeeze every dollar out of each blind

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the most stylish method used was buying temperance in ante 1, then buying egg in ante 4, then using both + hermit to get the money for ante 5

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:15 AM

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yeah i was reading that

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im thinking about anaglyph rn just because i'd need to see what rounds would be worth skipping

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:16 AM

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i'll keep that in mind since shop rerolls will be the same when playing on plasma deck

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wait no

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nevermind, you can only test the tarot pack idea with anaglyph

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:17 AM

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why only the tarots?

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wb negatives

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ik the next negative isnt until 26

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but if a run can get there

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:3

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:18 AM

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i thought the idea was to use double tags on a mega arcana in hopes of getting perkeo to pivot into steel deck

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:18 AM

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oh that's also an option

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:18 AM

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cuz idol builds are always capped by how many jokers you can have

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:18 AM

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well my main thing was the negative could allow for blueprint, brainstorm, retriggers, and other shit

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while spamming arcana packs is basically only
soul searching

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:19 AM

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well, i dont remember any really outstanding jokers in the reroll pool in ante 10-11

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so if i manage to get a deck to ante 26 (which i think i can with 6th sense), i will spam rerolls and give you data for that

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:20 AM

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drowsy osprey so if i manage to get a deck to ante 26 (which i think i can with 6th sense), i ...

ok!!!!

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i'd love some

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:20 AM

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im still pretty proud of routing negative brainstorm without a seed analyzer

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:20 AM

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wait

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:21 AM

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i would not have routed in the blueprint if i didnt have the analyzer tho

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:21 AM

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aren't negatives a different pool than normal jokers

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spamming rerolls wouldn't work if the negative jokers are always the same

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/ different than shop pool

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:21 AM

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i think the negative TAGS use the shop pool because the jokers are converted into a negative card rather than generating a full negative card

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for example, RT found a negative scary face which i found too

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:22 AM

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but then why is the first neg tag always the duo

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no matter what reroll

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:22 AM

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this is under the assumption that shop pools are based on ante

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because skipping the big blind forces you to open the shop after the boss, you start a new ante

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which means that you cannot manipulate the shop with rerolls because it just started a new chain

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:23 AM

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ohhhhhhh

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im dumb

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:23 AM

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the same thing happens with the negative tag in ante 10-11, always lands on misprint

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:23 AM

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wooo...

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(the duo negative isnt even half bad 😭

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:23 AM

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main reason why duo negative is ignored is to get immolate for very important money + interest soooo

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:24 AM

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yeah i know 😭

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:24 AM

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not like duo negative makes a large impact in the grand scheme of things, its only one 2x when you are doing 25+ of them

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:25 AM

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average idol run

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:25 AM

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and perkeo steel technically

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also, i assume you are more acclimated to balatro's lingo

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what do people call the perkeo strategy archetype?

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aka perkeo and spamming steels with baron/mime

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:25 AM

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idk

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im only like

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decent

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(i don't pay attention to lingo)

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:26 AM

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oh ok, ill just keep referring to it as perkeo steel

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:26 AM

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oh i was thinking the perkeo/observatory shenanigans

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:27 AM

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theres also eternal perkeo ankh/ecto

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that one seems so awful to find in a normal run

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:29 AM

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drowsy osprey theres also eternal perkeo ankh/ecto

this seems either sixth sense/seance or just

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that deck pilled

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ghosty

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regardless i think plasma is good for a while, but if you want to push antes a little more you may need to look into switching decks for more time

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anaglyph seems good but idk

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:32 AM

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plasma is effectively squaring your score in a totem build tho, i dont know if thats worth forsaking

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maybe im just stubborn

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:33 AM

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drowsy osprey plasma is effectively squaring your score in a totem build tho, i dont know if t...

my main idea is basically look for a way to force a card generation

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:33 AM

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analog remnant my main idea is basically look for a way to force a card generation

elaborate?

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:33 AM

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anaglyph arcana pack

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:33 AM

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or reply to a previous message if you already explained it and i missed it

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oh that

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:33 AM

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test every judgment and soul

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:33 AM

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that absolutely has potential

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:34 AM

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i have the attention span of a child rn though

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so

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i probably could not run that alone

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:34 AM

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:V

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:47 AM

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i just want to say if you get perkeo rolling you can easially get nanaif with the telescope upgrade

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:47 AM

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that's why i want to test anaglyph

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:47 AM

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but anaglyph is most likely not gonna get that far

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i have a lot of anapglyph experience and the deck is preatty weak

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ur not going to be able to get the early blueprint and you will most likely loose out on brainstorm

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but it would be cool if you manage to find the hidden perkeo angle

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if we assume you get a decent early setup before u get the telescope perkeo strat rolling

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and we say blueprint is unrealistick

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then your score should increase at base by 3.75 at each shop

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when you get the third brainstorm

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:52 AM

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theres also the very slim chance that perkeo just happens to be in a singular tarot pack skip

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but at that point, might as well test with anaglyph

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:52 AM

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if thats the case then it could blow the whole run open

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if it is in an initial skip pack around ante 11-20 you can make do with 1 less hack

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making it the same run but you do perkeo setup for late game

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at that point you can probably hit the kill screen

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:53 AM

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ik anaglyph is weak

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but

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it's a good testing joker right

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:53 AM

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its a good testing deck

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:54 AM

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ahem

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deck

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😭

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:54 AM

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but i mean lets say perkeo is 9 packs deep on ante 11

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how are u getting that while not dying

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if it is first pack its easy

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:55 AM

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random trail how are u getting that while not dying

yeahhhhh

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:55 AM

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but if you could get perkeo from a skip in around ante 11-20

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:55 AM

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we may have to uproot our whole build

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:55 AM

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with plasma then u can give up a hack

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and scale way farther for late game

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then u have 4 perkeo procs wich is 5X more score each shop

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:56 AM

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true

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:56 AM

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earliest arcana pack skip i could find is ante 8, second blind

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and the analyzer doesnt read anywhere beyond that

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:56 AM

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mmm

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:56 AM

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at least, the one Cadwah provided

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 12:57 AM

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we may have to test the packs ourselves

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:57 AM

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ye i know the analyzer is not deep enough for more optimasation

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:57 AM

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i found the github that has the code for the analyzer but i dunno if its capable of looking into the tag packs themselves

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:57 AM

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u kinda have to test all packs but the probability is extremly low for more power

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 12:58 AM

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assuming the seeding method remains the same, the only things shifted around by the beta patch are the jokers since some got rarity changes

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so the fact that the analyzer is not up to date is irrelevant for arcana packs

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 12:59 AM

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ye no the analyzer seemed acurate for packs but it did not include the contents of tag skips

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imma be real im not sure there is much more to optimise

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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the only thing i could think of was glyph

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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there migth have been a hiden secret ectoplasm

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in one of the skips

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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would ghost deck be worth testing either...??

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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wich would give dusk but i dont know about much more

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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analog remnant would ghost deck be worth testing either...??

someone DID say in the RTgame discord that they found perkeo in ghost deck

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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GUH

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:00 AM

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buuuuuuuuut i tried it and i couldnt find anything

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and when i asked them, they did nto respond

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:01 AM

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hmmm

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:01 AM

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mans might have lied for clout

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:01 AM

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we could uproot

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or that

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:01 AM

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nevermind they did respond, but they say "I dont know"

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:01 AM

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i dont know how ghost deck helps getting perkeo

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if there is some tech i dont know that might be a me issue

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:03 AM

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my guess is that spectral shop is modified by including spectral packs into the shop pool, which do not affect tarot packs

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so changing to ghost will (probably?) not affect the ability to get perkeo

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:03 AM

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ye i know some run ghost for runs cus of early immolates

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an ankhs

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:04 AM

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isnt the main reason to run ghost is easy spectral in consumable slot?

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:04 AM

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but i dont think it helps here

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:04 AM

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and easy ankh

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and easy earlygame money with immolate and temperance/hermit

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:04 AM

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ye those are most of the reasons

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:04 AM

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drowsy osprey isnt the main reason to run ghost is easy spectral in consumable slot?

only if you can find perkeo

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:05 AM

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ghost deck for endless is mostly the perkeo deck

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while plasma is the everything else deck

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problem is that arrowhead carried until ante 10 on plasma

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but it will do nothing on any other deck

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:05 AM

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im willing to dig

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but itll take so much effort 😭

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:06 AM

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so to run em you need an entire new strat

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:06 AM

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i am certain you find ride the bus in ante 1 or 2

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that could help

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:06 AM

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abandoned deck (no)

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:06 AM

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i say the best shot of optimising is cheking all uncheked packs up too ante 20

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that includes the extra pack when hieroglyphing

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:07 AM

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no petroglyph?

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:07 AM

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as im pretty sure there were alteast 1 skipped pack there

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i think rt cheked all petro packs

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but i mean chekking all packs is good

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:07 AM

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see we need like

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multiple instances or something

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:07 AM

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that includes buying and selling cola on every skip

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:07 AM

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so we can test judgements

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:08 AM

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the judgment pool is fixed btw

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:08 AM

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how far?

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:08 AM

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RT did not use every judgement he found, its a possibility

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for another blueprint/brainstorm or smth

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:08 AM

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i guess

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i mean chekk all wraiths could be value

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:09 AM

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i remember taking the first wraith (in ante 6?) and it gave something uselss

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:09 AM

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cant wait to get burnt joker

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:09 AM

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drowsy osprey i remember taking the first wraith (in ante 6?) and it gave something uselss

are wraiths pools in anything specific?

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:09 AM

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each pack has a set joker in them while i think global jugdments have a global jugdment pool

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if you have them in consumable they use a global pool but in packs they are set

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:10 AM

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so if you judgement then fool

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?

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:10 AM

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so if every fool you use is a jugdment you might see something spicy

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:10 AM

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:10 AM

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as you map the entire global jugdment pool

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:10 AM

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i can try that whenever i redo this run with sixth sense

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:11 AM

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oh wait

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:11 AM

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but the entire joker settup was perfect from RT atleast for not having legendary jokers

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:11 AM

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the main thing i wanted to test was

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:11 AM

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the only thing that could have made it better was getting a dusk from jugment after the antimater

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:12 AM

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negative anaglyph, and tarot anaglyph

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:12 AM

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random trail the only thing that could have made it better was getting a dusk from jugment af...

the sixth sense idea that i had right after the stream was to build around 6s and dusk isntead of 4s and hacks

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that way, you can get more consistent ectoplasms/polychrome cards

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:12 AM

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ectoplasms, polychromes,

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wraiths??????

proven lotus Apr 19, 2024, 1:12 AM

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yo guys how i can search for the app that lets me see the joker queue for a seed?

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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but dont you have a guaranteed poly from the aura at ante like 15

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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random trail but dont you have a guaranteed poly from the aura at ante like 15

more poly is good right

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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random trail but dont you have a guaranteed poly from the aura at ante like 15

for some reason, when I did my run two auras i got were holographic

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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analog remnant more poly is good right

u only need 1 as u can dupe it with death

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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i have no fucking clue how rt got poly

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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😭

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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it is dependend on wich card u choose if i member right

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:13 AM

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star saw it i believe

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oh

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well thats nigh impossible to match then huh

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:14 AM

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if you test each card possistion they give differnt things

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i mean just copy rt

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thats the right card to hit

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:14 AM

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youre thinking that if i use the same card (i think 2 cards from the left) ill get poly?

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:14 AM

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sounds about right

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:14 AM

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i have seen someone play super optimised seeds before and card posistion manip changes the rng

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but essentialy yes

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 1:15 AM

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ok great, ill keep that in mind

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:15 AM

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i think that position always gives poly

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u might be able to get poly earlier if u test all positions of the first aura

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 1:15 AM

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that's so much testing 😭

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 1:16 AM

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ye no that sounds missreable

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is there a save state mod that might help

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you can also just back out before the pack closes

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and test again when you are there

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i think there are only really 2 optimiastion routes left. 1 is a secret perkeo. 2 is another retriger after getting anitmater wich is really tight

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but if u find something let me know

drowsy osprey Apr 19, 2024, 2:41 AM

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so i was theory crafting how you would pull off the plasma strat with 6th sense

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and the conclusion i have come to is that you cannot rely on retrigger 6s and dusk

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this is because the whole point of using 6th sense is to get more ectoplasms since you can use at most 3 before you physically cannot use anymore

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and because you can only copy cards with DNA on your first hand, exceeding handsize will be a problem

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for example: if you have 2 handsize and you copy a retrigger 6 four times so you have a flush five

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you need to play at least one more hand to get dusk to trigger (assuming you take no +1 hand vouchers), which means you wont have a flush five by then.

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there are two workarounds:

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get more hand size via vouchers, which may be completely random depending on voucher system. if it isnt random, then we know that they are some of the last vouchers we can take, so its not viable.

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use ectoplasm until we have 2-3 ectoplasms in our consumable slot, then sell off 6th sense and use normal hack strats

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because i do not want to venture into a 3+ hour run just to test one thing, i will choose the second option

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so long as the comparative amount of 6s versus 4s is minimal, the risk of idol selecting the wrong card will be minimal

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additionally, because we can get the ectoplasms relatively early (hopefully), the antes do not require retrigger jokers to operate in our favor, so even if it idol lands on 6s we can still play a flush 5

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and if it does land on 6s, we would need 2 6s in the deck (if we have 3 copy jokers) or 3 6s (if we have 2 copy jokers), which can definitely be outpaced by 4s assuming we used all copy jokers + DNA on the 4s before getting 6th sense

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of course, this is a backup plan in the <5% chance of happening and will not work by ante 15+

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BUT, it is theoretically possible. i did see a sixth sense go by in the shop while RT was playing

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the last thing left to do... is to confirm that its possible

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also, theres the possibility of using pareidoilia (all cards count as face cards) + sock and buskin (retrigger all faces) but pareidoilia wastes a joker/negative slot that could be used for something else

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that is the backup-backup strategy

random trail Apr 19, 2024, 6:19 PM

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just want to say vouchers are seed dependent

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only way to see vouchers earlier is to buy other ones

analog remnant Apr 19, 2024, 7:02 PM

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ik this

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anaglyph voucher tag :3

drowsy osprey Apr 20, 2024, 11:05 PM

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the experiment was performed and yielded negative results

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however, one important thing is that i did manage to pull off two ectoplasms rather than one

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had i cut my losses and sold sixth sense to get brainstorm (which i skipped because i thought i had more time/could still get another ecto out of sixth sense) i couldve gone further, which may have gotten me another ectoplasm in a pack

drowsy osprey Apr 21, 2024, 3:39 AM

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I have found a solution.

analog remnant Apr 21, 2024, 11:04 AM

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oh?

random trail Apr 21, 2024, 12:37 PM

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another ecto takes the game a lot farther cus you can take another retrigger

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or idol if you manage to get that

spare meteor Apr 21, 2024, 4:11 PM

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How the hell did I miss all of this?

clever vessel Apr 21, 2024, 6:21 PM

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just watched the YT vid, was it ever discovered what the legendary was that Dan skipped? I'm tempted to run this to see what I can figure out

low thunder Apr 21, 2024, 7:01 PM

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Yorik I believe?

analog remnant Apr 21, 2024, 8:12 PM

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damn!!!

mossy lintel Apr 21, 2024, 9:01 PM

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drowsy osprey

What difficulty is this running on?

drowsy osprey Apr 21, 2024, 9:02 PM

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white stake, its the best for plasma deck since you get more time + money to setup

mossy lintel Apr 21, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Ah, that makes more sense. I hit some odd patches where I was $1-2 shy at ante 3

drowsy osprey Apr 21, 2024, 9:03 PM

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the only other viable stake to maximize score is black with ghost deck due to eternals + ankh, which basically necessitates perkeo

mossy lintel Apr 21, 2024, 9:18 PM

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~~Only other question - on Ante 3 big blind. ~~

Ante 3 Big Blind: Discard for spade flush, play full house of 7/6s found.

~~Should I be rolling for a flush, then still maintain 7s and 6s while digging for that?~~

Nevermind, figured it out

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 12:58 AM

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My Magnum Opus...

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It is done.

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It is finally done.

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@low thunder

mossy ferry Apr 22, 2024, 1:03 AM

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lol i just watched his video on this

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 1:26 AM

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There is one thing left I need to fix.

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How to consistently put Polychrome onto a glass card.

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Once that is solved.

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It is finished.

mossy lintel Apr 22, 2024, 1:34 AM

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I somehow keep stalling out around Ante 11 - even with red seal steel 4s. Maybe I shouldn't be getting rid of trading card in exchange for DNA as early as I do

left jacinth Apr 22, 2024, 9:08 AM

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Oh no

indigo coral Apr 22, 2024, 9:09 AM

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yooo

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the cook has finished

analog remnant Apr 22, 2024, 9:17 AM

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course 3 is being prepared

analog remnant Apr 22, 2024, 11:37 AM

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drowsy osprey

what score did this get?

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 4:22 PM

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for fixing poly try hitting the third card on second aura that should give poly

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 5:20 PM

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analog remnant what score did this get?

I did not get polychrome on a card which heavily curtailed the run. I believe I now know how to fix that.

analog remnant Apr 22, 2024, 5:21 PM

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ah ok!!!

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I'd love to watch / help

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:01 PM

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im gonna be honest. i have no idea how i got to this point.

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but IT. IS. POSSIBLE.

jaunty glade Apr 22, 2024, 10:02 PM

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How much time in total have u spent on this one seed, ur level of dedication is insane!!!

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:04 PM

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too much

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but theres not enough time...

latent shard Apr 22, 2024, 10:13 PM

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I don't know why but I can't get arrowhead to show up

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:14 PM

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double check that you completed most of your collection and that you are playing on the beta

latent shard Apr 22, 2024, 10:18 PM

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I didn't know it was on the beta, tyvm!

analog remnant Apr 22, 2024, 10:49 PM

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OMG JOLTEON

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WOOOOO

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:54 PM

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money

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i needed money

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i needed money at the very end

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 10:54 PM

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btw is this score with or without polyu?

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:54 PM

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when it mattered most

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this was with poly

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 10:54 PM

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ah ok makes sense

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really good work

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:55 PM

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the setup was 1 hack, 1 blueprint, 3 totems, and 3 brainstorms with a showman

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had i had more money

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i couldve replaced the showman with another hack

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or another totem

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...

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 10:55 PM

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wait isnt there any other money optimisations?

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:55 PM

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not money optimizations

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just money

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i entered the last few antes with $200

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i needed so much more than that

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 10:56 PM

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ah i see i mean if u can get 2 gold red sealed cards thats alteast +8 more each blind

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until final ecto

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:56 PM

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that round

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that run

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i took a different route

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 10:57 PM

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ah ok

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:57 PM

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which didnt let me generate at least 600 by like

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ante 14

random trail Apr 22, 2024, 10:57 PM

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i mean ur the runner so u know best

drowsy osprey Apr 22, 2024, 10:57 PM

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its because i found an invis joker

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and got another brainstorm

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that was not worth it

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fuck.

obsidian gale Apr 23, 2024, 6:22 PM

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but can it go further?

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i believe that is the question

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is Sisyphus happy?

lean solar Apr 23, 2024, 6:26 PM

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if you enjoy optimizing seeds i have a seed to suggest to you jolteon

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my own seed i found

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https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1226587975463211089

drowsy osprey Apr 23, 2024, 7:04 PM

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i dont want to do seed optimization unless its for a dumb reason (like this)

lean solar Apr 23, 2024, 7:06 PM

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owell

obsidian gale Apr 23, 2024, 7:22 PM

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is this the dumbest reason you've optimized a seed?

drowsy osprey Apr 23, 2024, 7:37 PM

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ive never optimized a seed before. so yes, this is the dumbest reason since its the only reason ive found so far

drowsy osprey Apr 25, 2024, 2:53 AM

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One last thing that I will do before posting the final iteration of the RTGame seed route (which has now reach a 2k word count) is test the last ditch effort for Perkeo with Anaglyph (idea provided by @analog remnant ) since that is realistically the only thing that could possibly beat the optimization that I've set up

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Other than what I've done so far, I don't think this seed can go furhter

analog remnant Apr 25, 2024, 3:18 AM

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if that idea does work, i would love to look at it

fresh shell Apr 25, 2024, 12:11 PM

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I think this seed is cool, but by no means a “god seed”, with how absurdly strong perkeo is right now, getting perkeo in ante 1 is pretty much a prerequisite for anything to be considered as a god seed with regards to WR score.

lean solar Apr 25, 2024, 12:53 PM

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i dont think this seed was meant to be considered as a good seed, rt decided to use his own name and try and optimize that for a challenge rather than a god seed, and second of all getting perkeo early is necessary for a god seed but not ante 1, the wr score seed has perkeo in ante 2 and not ante 1, what makes a seed a god seed are the other factors that follow and that you can use in the rest of the run

drowsy osprey Apr 25, 2024, 7:30 PM

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this seed was never meant to be a god seed since it doesnt have an early perkeo

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but its still a strong seed regardless and itd be fun to push it to its absolute limits

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(if it had perkeo, there would be no limit to push because there is literally no limit)

drowsy osprey Apr 25, 2024, 9:39 PM

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Uh.

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Might need to do a bit of rerouting.

drowsy osprey Apr 25, 2024, 10:52 PM

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For those of you who were here from the start, I mentioned earlier that someone said they found Perkeo on Ghost deck.

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When I tested this, it appeared to be false.

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However, I've come to the realization that its possible for card selections to be different between versions

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In particular, Souls give different legendary Jokers if you are playing on the Beta or not.

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The first Soul card that you find, which is in Ante 9, gives Yorick on the beta but Perkeo on the main.

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While I could simply try and route the seed on the current version, I've also noticed that instead of Brainstorm, an Invisible Joker spawns, rendering the whole Negative Brainstorm setup completely useless

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In addition to that, there are a lot of other factors that rely heavily on the Beta patch, specifically the early Arrowhead and an easy Sixth Sense in Ante 14.

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Then I've come to a very, very important realization.

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I can make a cross-update route.

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That way, I can play through the earlygame for money + Joker setup, then swap to the main patch when I pick up the Soul, then swap back.

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And since both the current patch and beta patch RTGame seed did not house many Steel Perkeo jokers (only one Baron, zero mimes)

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I can still use Idol/Flush Five, now with Telescope + Perkeo to scale further.

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Anything that you've seen before is going to be snapped in half.

dreamy heron Apr 25, 2024, 11:15 PM

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drowsy osprey (if it had perkeo, there would be no limit to push because there is literally no...

What now lol- I find it so funny you said that 2 hours before a perkeo jumpscare

drowsy osprey Apr 25, 2024, 11:18 PM

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The score counter shall bow down to me.

wheat swift Apr 26, 2024, 12:13 AM

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We're gonna have a 3rd part to the RTgame seed it seems

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Can't wait to see if RT gets to ante 39

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(Also mad respect to Jolteon, dude is an absolute legend for committing this much to the bit)

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 12:36 AM

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that is, if RT wants to do this again, though with even more shenanigans injected into i

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also, i havent tested any of these theories yet

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still purely theoretical

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just that if it works, itd be very funny for the route to involve savestates (wheel of fortune/ectoplasm), future sight (early game route), and multidimensional travel (swapping game versions)

wheat swift Apr 26, 2024, 4:18 AM

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I can see the title now.

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"A stupid, stupid man bankrupts a casino with multidimensional travel"

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Also because of how seeds function, it could work. It'd either stick to the state of one of the seeds with beta or vanilla qualities, or it does work and causes the run to take a long time.

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:21 AM

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Well.

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I've already confirmed it.

wheat swift Apr 26, 2024, 4:21 AM

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So it does work?

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:21 AM

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I present to you my Magnum Opus: The RTGAME Seed

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Aaaand the recording got fucked up

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Great

wheat swift Apr 26, 2024, 4:22 AM

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Holy shit, e101

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That's a massive jump from e89

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:22 AM

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And its only going to go up from here.

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And I still have a DNA and Showman

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And I still havent gotten the +1 Joker Slot from Antimatter

wheat swift Apr 26, 2024, 4:25 AM

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This is absolutely ludicrous stuff man

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Potential for high seeded runs has quite literally doubled

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How long did all of this take you to figure out btw?

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:27 AM

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Ever since the start of this thread, which was nearly 2 weeks ago

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Since then, I have lost track of how many hours I've put in

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But all i know is I had at least 150 hours worth of playtime before and doing this seed fucked up my statistics big time (i.e. which Joker did I complete the most rounds in)

mossy ferry Apr 26, 2024, 4:50 AM

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i feel like seeds being different between the versions and not being related necessarily to the changes of the patch should be something that should be reported to the dev imo

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:05 AM

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The seeds being ever so slightly different between versions is purely because of rarity changes and how cards are selected from the pool

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(at least that's my best guess)

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What could've happened is that when Localthunk was balancing Yorick, he rearranged the queue order such that everything else was shifted ever so slightly to cause this discrepency

supple mason Apr 26, 2024, 5:08 AM

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Tbh the bufoon packs have the biggest effect imo. Once those were added I to the first shop it changes the joker orders in shops alot. For example the previous seeded world record speed run seed is dead now because it no longer gives a stuntman in the first shop or pack last I checked.

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:12 AM

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That might also be a butterfly effect from Localthunk rebalancing a lot of Jokers by changing the rarities. I've noticed that common and uncommon Jokers are highly inconsistent if you try and get them with the old seed analyzer because there have been a lot of rarity changes in balancing.

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Anyway,

supple mason Apr 26, 2024, 5:13 AM

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Holy e142 👀. Looks like I got some work to do.

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:13 AM

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I made some particular mistakes that can be corrected in a different run

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(such as not going for a third ectoplasm or being too greedy with Showman or occasionally forgetting to optimally use Perkeo)

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Hopefully this is able to scale fast enough to reach naneinf.. but I have my doubts

supple mason Apr 26, 2024, 5:15 AM

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When you gotta move 2-3 jokers every round your bound to slip up once or twice. It's a pain to always remember lol.

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I had several rounds on my seed where I forgot to move a blueprint back and it cost me a planet card or two. Which goes a long way.

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:23 AM

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I remember missing at least 3 whole Jokers shifts, meaning I only copied 1 planet card at least three times soooo yeah

uneven gyro Apr 26, 2024, 5:28 AM

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Weird stuff

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You can cheat gold-stake on current patch

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:29 AM

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I wonder if it resets the timer on Perishable...

uneven gyro Apr 26, 2024, 5:29 AM

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It literally removes your -1 handsize

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by starting the run on beta-> going to standard

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:29 AM

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Yikes!

uneven gyro Apr 26, 2024, 5:30 AM

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I bet you also dont have to deal with scaling pack costs

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:30 AM

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Once the beta hits main tho, you won't be able to freely swap versions so I'm not sure if this is that important of an issue to fix... yet

uneven gyro Apr 26, 2024, 5:30 AM

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Yah, + its single player so who really cares if people cheat

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but that's.... really interesting

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and buggy

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:31 AM

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I was genuinely surprised and not surprised that swapping versions spawned Perkeo instead of Yorick

mossy ferry Apr 26, 2024, 5:31 AM

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drowsy osprey Hopefully this is able to scale fast enough to reach naneinf.. but I have my dou...

i think only baron + mime + steel kings + cryptids can

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 AM

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Well... i'll be honest I dont really feel like routing a steel king + mime run into the RTGame seed

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Especially cuz I only found a single Baron and no mimes by Ante 8

mossy ferry Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 AM

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yeah it’s been done a lot

uneven gyro Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 AM

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Nah you can hit nan-inf with perkeo+ 5flushfive and retriggers. The first person to hit nan inf with perkeo+telescope or w/e its called hit nan-inf without mime/baron.

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but i think you need way more planets than getting perkeo in ante 9

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to hit nan-inf

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 5:33 AM

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agreed, but i gotta work with what ive got

solemn canyon Apr 26, 2024, 11:38 AM

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Got the naneinf usinf mime and baron. The run is done on the main version to get the perkeo. There was also a cryptid on ante 9, so started duping it right away

lean solar Apr 26, 2024, 12:02 PM

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Gotta love how people worked on e142 and this man pulls a inf

solemn canyon Apr 26, 2024, 12:29 PM

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As long as there is perkeo, there is inf

wheat swift Apr 26, 2024, 3:27 PM

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That confirms an ante 39 then, neat

mossy ferry Apr 26, 2024, 3:32 PM

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wheat swift That confirms an ante 39 then, neat

depends if u can dupe cryptid fast enough

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:21 PM

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solemn canyon Got the naneinf usinf mime and baron. The run is done on the main version to get...

good shit, still want to try using telescope strats tho for a theoretical consistent naneinf

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if that doesnt work, ill try and route a ghost deck version

lean solar Apr 26, 2024, 4:22 PM

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i dont think observatory scales fast enough with the amount of copy jokers we have in this seed

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ive seen 1 inf with observatory but that was with hack and idol

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:23 PM

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sucks that perkeo spawns so late, but i want to try it anyway

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:24 PM

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lean solar ive seen 1 inf with observatory but that was with hack and idol

also main engine is still hack and idol

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at this point im just holding out for hack/idol instead of baron/mime cuz ive already invested so much into making a hack/idol deck work xd

left jacinth Apr 26, 2024, 4:31 PM

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Actually insane how far yous have been able to push this haha

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How on earth is infinity possible

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:32 PM

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Cryptid + Perkeo

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I made a discovery that is probably a semi-gamebreaking glitch where shop outcomes are changed if you swap between versions

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The first Soul on beta spawns Yorick on beta and Perkeo on main

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So what you can do is start on beta for Brainstorm/Blueprint setup, then swap to main for Perkeo, then swap back for everything else

dusty gyro Apr 26, 2024, 4:34 PM

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left jacinth How on earth is infinity possible

naneinf is closer to e290 than infinity but

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yeah

left jacinth Apr 26, 2024, 4:35 PM

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That is insane haha

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:36 PM

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solemn canyon Got the naneinf usinf mime and baron. The run is done on the main version to get...

This person relied solely on Perkeo + Cryptid with Mime/Baron to break naneinf once

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What I want to try is to see if its possible to break naneinf consistently with Perkeo + Observatory

left jacinth Apr 26, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Godspeed

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If it is possible would be an honour to showcase again

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I can't believe the swapping version things like that's so funny and extreme haha

lean solar Apr 26, 2024, 4:38 PM

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drowsy osprey I made a discovery that is probably a semi-gamebreaking glitch where shop outcom...

i mean i dont think its a glitch just sometimes versions change the luck algorithm, i think immolate which goes based on the luck algorithm was changed like 4 or 5 times cuz of that

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:39 PM

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lean solar i mean i dont think its a glitch just sometimes versions change the luck algorit...

Not really a glitch but rather an exploit yeah. The different versions have differing shop pools because of rarity changes/balance changes

lean solar Apr 26, 2024, 4:40 PM

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dusty gyro naneinf is closer to e290 than infinity but

~~tbh you cant really say youre closer to infinity compared to a regular number since infinity isnt a number, we have a high score in this game of e2.8m but thats still not infinity~~

drowsy osprey Apr 26, 2024, 4:40 PM

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I probably cannot break naneinf with Perkeo/Observatory, so if I can't I'll try and route a ghost-deck version that relies on Baron/Mime (which will likely be drastically easier to pull off)

lean solar Apr 26, 2024, 4:40 PM

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you can maybe try to do the black stake strat jolteon

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oh wait no youre doing consistent inf

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nvm

dusty gyro Apr 26, 2024, 4:41 PM

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lean solar ~~tbh you cant really say youre closer to infinity compared to a regular number ...

shush

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