Codex Arcanum - Alchemical Cards and abilities

[ember crag]

Yeah not work

[idle prism]

I'll see if I can make a version for old-calc, but if its too much effort then I'll just recommend waiting for Cryptid to update

[ember crag]

Yeah smods-old-calc is 1.0.0~alpha-1304a

[idle prism]

Is it crashing on startup? I've managed to load the game on old-calc w/ Arcanum but no Cryptid

[crisp gust]

you can use cryptid's refactor branch

[idle prism]

@ember crag I've made an old-calc branch that you can try out. Works fine with my limited testing
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum/tree/old-calc

I'll also push for what John said about using the refactor Cryptid branch

In any case old-calc branch won't be kept up to date, just a hotfix measure to be compatible with older mods

[idle prism]

Pushed a new prerelease with a small bug fix regarding how it was implementing alchemical boosters. The new implementation should be more compatible with other mods (e.g. previously it wouldn't work with Bunco's ||Domino|| joker).
Hasn't been thoroughly tested, so keep an eye out for booster pack related bugs.
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum/releases/tag/v2.0.0-prerelease2

[ember crag]

Sorry for late answer, if I use old-calc, ofc no no crash, but it missing it's dependencies and the card won't show up

[ember crag]

Thanks 👍 lemme try this

[idle prism]

Pushed a patch to fix the Card Sleeves, now they should work as intended in BetterCalc

[ember crag]

I can't find the stone for some reason

[idle prism]

There are some unused assets in the atlas, Stone is one of them

[oblique heart]

yeah, mod went on Hiatus

and stopped there

a good chunk of alchemy cards were about to be reworked as well iirc

[ember crag]

I'm using the current version

[idle prism]

Yeah, I dont think there ever was a stone alchemical

[shut cloud]

@fossil grail hello! is it ok if I use and modify the elemental tag texture for my mod?

[cyan magnet]

lyman made the texture so its prob best to ask them

[shut cloud]

@obtuse rune ☝️

[obtuse rune]

i think that was itays texture actually

[scenic nimbus]

so the prerelease doesn't like card sleeves

I could be dumb

ok I was dumb and I don't pay attention to mod updates

[last bridge]

got this when opening a reverie booster with fool metal alchemist

[last bridge]

update:it only seems to happen when hovering the mouse over the reverie ticket

[thick cliff]

Attained after using salt: opening a pack within a blind

[idle prism]

Update your steammodded, it'll fix the bug

See: #1221916334372290620 message

[hard bridge]

yes but then i cant play it with cryptid

[idle prism]

there is an old-calc branch you can use in the Codex Arcanum fork. Reverie doesn't having a working old-calc version really

you can also use the refactor branch for Cryptid which is compatible with the latest smod, but that's quite experimental from what I know

[wide geyser]

heyy is there any way I could somehow reduce the chances for alchemy packs to appear, at least through lua? I feel like they appear way too often and kinda ruins my shop a little

[idle prism]

Yep. If you go into the mod folder, then into data > boosters.lua, you can modify the weight attribute to your preference\

Currently they're as common as tarot/planet/standard packs

Keep in mind each copy of a pack will effectively 'double' its chance, so 4 normal size packs will automatically be twice as common as 2 jumbo size packs

Here would be the (adjusted) values you need to match other booster types:
Buffoon: Standard/Jumbo = 0.3, Mega = 0.0.15
Spectral: Standard = 0:15, Mega = 0.07

[fast kettle]

You get this fixed? Exact same problem running the latest steamodded and I've tried every combination to get this working but nothing.

[wide geyser]

Tysmmm, appreciate it

[idle prism]

What version is your steammodded? I'm sure Potato's problem was fixed in SMOD 1409b

so I'm guessing either your SMOD is outdated or you have a different problem

[terse trail]

Hey I'm going through and logging a bunch of mods for Skyline's mod manager. Y'all mind if I create an initial link for this just so it's available through it?

[terse trail]

Though I guess @idle prism you'd probably be a better person to ask because of Redux lmao

[thorny cove]

I was wondering if anyone knew why CA causes so many table value errors? It happens with both Cryptid and MoreFluff.

[idle prism]

I'm not sure what this means but should be fine

Oh is this that new mod manager?

Itayfeder is inactive at the moment, @obtuse rune might have an opinion on the matter

[obtuse rune]

Could you explain what you mean by initial link?

[terse trail]

I just mean having a download available through the mod manager (it links to github so it just grabs the latest zip) even if there's not a fancy page and thumbnail and stuff made up for it on there

That's what I've been trying to do, to help populate the mod manager with as much of the stuff that's out there as possible

[obtuse rune]

oh, go for it then

can't speak for itay but i hardly think there's an issue in just using our github link

[nocturne portal]

crash upon opening the game

[idle prism]

The original mod will not work, use one of the working forks instead

Here's one https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum

[nocturne portal]

alright

i was looking for that

[mossy folio]

Hey, hope this is ok to ask here. I'm trying to use Redux here, and for whatever reason it super crashes to this screen before it even shows any other mods.

Second screenshot is my other mods (ignore Dragonite Card Pack, it's just a suit skin mod to put the Dragonite line on Diamonds)

[idle prism]

Not home at the moment to diagnose

Only thing I can see immediately is you’re on lovely 0.7.0 where there’s a 0.7.1 version

But that probably isnt the issue

[mossy folio]

You are not going to f||unk||ing believe this\

Appreciate it lmao

[idle prism]

Brilliant

Ill be sure to update the metadata to reflect incompatibility lmao

[wise crescent]

Ran into a potential issue with the mod. So using Quicksilver, it does the +2 hand size for the blind, but every single blind afterwards now has a -2 hand. It went from the standard 8 to 6

Anyone else run into this issue by chance?

[wise crescent]

@idle prism Just in case you don't see this ^^

[idle prism]

Weird. Do any other alchemical cards have similar issues? E.g. does Ignis take away an extra discard?

[wise crescent]

not that I've noticed, just Quicksilver as far as I'm aware

I'll keep messing around and see if more of them do anything similar

If it helps to diagnose as well, I'm using the latest smods that was released just a bit ago

Don't know if that helps in the diagnosing process or not, but I figure I make a mention of it

[wise crescent]

So that's interesting... I'm using the Philospher's deck so I can easily get Alchemical cards to test it out. I tried using Ignis and Aqua and none of them did what Quicksilver did. I also tried to see if I could replicate that issue with Quicksilver, and it didn't do it this time around... which is very strange

[idle prism]

Did you use quicksilver multiple times in a run?

[wise crescent]

Just one time

[low summit]

Uhh how

[idle prism]

good question (wrong thread fyi)

what mods do you have installed?

[low summit]

Uh yeah sorry lmao i read wrong, my bad, the reverie thread somehow dissapeared from my feed. Also sold and bought and reactivated the same ticket and it somehow worked

[marsh sluice]

does 2.0 pre-release 3 of the redux work with latest smods?

[marsh sluice]

@idle prism

[idle prism]

cant think of any reasons why it wouldn't

[marsh sluice]

should i get the main branch or the actual prelease build

[idle prism]

should be the same

[marsh sluice]

👍

[idle prism]

I'm doing a thing

(Polychrome effect ain't new, but appearing in the collection is)

[oblique heart]

Interesting

So like polychrome on alc cards has a different effect?

[rocky merlin]

@idle prism a bit of a bug report: the way you're hooking this line prevents other mods from being able to match the same pattern

this negatively impacts my own mod

[idle prism]

would it be better if the payload was multiline?

[rocky merlin]

yeah i think that would resolve it

[idle prism]

I'll push that then

[rocky merlin]

👍 thanks you

[idle prism]

It's pushed now, not a release yet though cause I'll bundle it with other stuff

so download from the repo directly

[rocky merlin]

awesome thanks so much

[blazing osprey]

The game reports an error after using this card

Oops! The game crashed:
card.lua:675: attempt to index a nil value

[idle prism]

I think I have diagnosed the issue, I think it specifically breaks in non-english translations which is why you encountered it

will push a fix soon

[idle prism]

I've pushed a fix for this, let me know if any other issues arise as I haven't tested non-English versions until now

there may well be other issues

[blazing osprey]

OK, he's not reporting errors.

[echo shell]

@idle prism I wanna ask this with the utmost respect, as I'm a big fan of this mod and your fork of it.

How likely is it that you include controller support?

[idle prism]

there's no controller support?

in what way is it broken?

[echo shell]

When you open up an Alchemical pack, you can't select from it with a controller

[echo shell]

then again, I suppose another mod may be responsible, but I'm not sure

I have a similar issue with blind packs from Bunco

[idle prism]

hmm, blind packs and alchemical packs both have a lot of custom stuff going on with them

do other modded booster packs have the issue?

[echo shell]

Virtual Packs do not, all the stuff in Reverie seems to work great, like the Tag packs

I'm pretty sure it's just those two, yeah

I only ask because Redux Arcana is like, easily my favorite Balatro mod. It slots in so well, 10/10

@fossil grail did amazing, hopefully I can get my grubby mits on an update of musical suit too

[echo shell]

Very strange bug; I've played for a while with Redux, and the Gold alchemical card hasn't shown up yet?

Also the Philospher's Stone spectral card

[idle prism]

the gold alchemical I think requires you to have gold in your deck?

lemme check the latest version

yeah its set to require the gold card

as for philo stone, it's just very rare, as rare as the other secret spectrals

[idle prism]

Tested now with a 24-item booster pack, confirmed that the gold alchemical will appear if you have gold cards in your deck

so it just means it wont show up early in the game at minimum, which probably contributes to not finding it

also just confirmed philo stone will appear, again via similarly large booster packs

so it can appear in normal gameplay, its just rare

(even with 50-card packs it took a few tries)

[echo shell]

Ooh, very fair! Thanks for taking a look, sorry for the bother 🙂

I should have guessed gold would want gold, the Philosopher's Stone thing being super rare occured to me, but I figured i'd find it eventually with all the hex decks I was playing. Guess not!

[idle prism]

Im not sure if secret spectrals can appear in shop via hex deck

I dont think I've ever seen it

[echo shell]

What other Spectrals are secret? Besides modded ones

[idle prism]

I'm refering to soul and black hole

[echo shell]

Ooo, gotcha

Yeah Soul doesn't show up often at all. Black Hole at least pops up in the Celestial packs every now and then

[idle prism]

I've pushed a fix to this now, was surprisingly easy

[idle prism]

@astral summit not sure if you're aware of this issue. It's a pretty trivial fix, you just need to patch G.UIDEF.card_focus_ui as well as G.UIDEF.use_and_sell_buttons

[echo shell]

You’re a hero

[idle prism]

Trying a new animation

[last bridge]

thats so cool wth

[obtuse rune]

that is a very cute touch

thanks for keeping our mod alive like this

[idle prism]

thank you for the mod

[elfin anchor]

I've been testing all my mod combinations. And for now, Codex isn't compatible with Bunco, Rift-Raft, and All in Jest

[keen cairn]

Codex is very dead and has been for some time

But I guess peeps are working to make that not true

So my b

[keen cairn]

https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum

Have you tried this?

[elfin anchor]

Oh, that is very sad. Because this mod is peak

[keen cairn]

The fork might work fine though

[elfin anchor]

Let's see

[elfin anchor]

HOWWW???

Are you a magician???

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

Now I can play with a lot of mod, you are my hero

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[keen cairn]

I'm not but jumbocarrot may be :p

Yw :3

[idle prism]

I’ll take the compliment

[idle prism]

Finally, after a month of procrastination, I am now confident enough with the stability of Redux Arcanum to move it out of pre-release. Marking the occasion is a handful of small but nice additions to the mod, listed below. You can check out the full balance change on the first pre-release page.

• Added achievements! Only four right now, I want to add a couple more when I think of some good ones. Right now these are mostly silly challenges.
• A Chinese translation by snowylight that covers everything except the achievements that were added this update
• Mutated Joker nerfed to start at +0 chips, mostly to better mirror Fortune Teller rather than a particular balance reason.
• Some small QoL and aesthetic additions: Chain Reaction has a new animation, and you may find something new in the collection.
• Game state should save better upon game reload.
• Variety of bug fixes for various alchemical cards

Thanks for enjoying the mod, and extra thanks to @fossil grail and @obtuse rune for creating the original mod we love!
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum/releases/tag/v2.0.0

Here's a preview of the new achievements

[fossil grail]

XD good to see the mod is still alive and kicking

super proud of this community!

[nova whale]

no way feder??

[forest quest]

feder woke up???

[fossil grail]

XD hibernation is done

though i am not back to developing mods for Balatro

[solar saddle]

Oh hey you're back, 👋

[brave scaffold]

this might already be a documented issue but I can't pick up Alchemical Cards from the Alchemy Packs

[idle prism]

what version of arcanum and steammodded are you using?

[brave scaffold]

Arcanum is 2.0.0 prerelease 5 (couldn't get any other version to work) and steamodded is 1.0.0 beta 0506a (also couldn't get any other to work, setting up mods was a finicky pain)

it's the only issue I've noticed so far

and I definitely had free space to put the cards

[idle prism]

My bet right now is on a steammodded issue, but I'll have to check to be sure

are you able to post the lovely log file? Go to your mods folder, then the lovely folder, then logs, then upload the one most recently created

[brave scaffold]

ok sure

[idle prism]

(or technically whatever one would correspond to when you were playing with this mod)

[brave scaffold]

here

[idle prism]

Awesome, thanks

[brave scaffold]

other than this issue the mod has been awesome otherwise

[idle prism]

I cant seem to reproduce this on my end, sorry. Do you have any other mods installed that could mess with this?

[brave scaffold]

yeah I have a few other mods

I'll list them

[brave scaffold]

3xCredits
Cosmos
Neato Jokers
Prism
Handy
KCVanilla
SDM_0's Stuff
Celeste Card Collection
Too Many Decks

although I didn't have Celeste Card Collection before I noticed the issue

[idle prism]

Alright I tried it with these, still doesnt break on my end

sorry I cant diagnose it

for what its worth I just downloaded the latest version of all of these and the latest steamodded, so maybe your solution is to update all the mods?

not just latest releases fyi, like I downloaded the latest version of the repository

[brave scaffold]

ok

thanks for the help anyways

[thick cliff]

Hidden guys in files detected!

[nova whale]

those never got added? huh

[idle prism]

they've been there forever, dont know if there was ever a plan for them

[hidden vigil]

Will be cool if they do get added. Curious what they do.

[eager cradle]

so i used cobalt on flush, defeated boss blind with that flush and then i go to run info and see that my flush level is still 3 and not decreased. Isn't it supposed to take poker hand's levels back?

[eager cradle]

it works in regular blinds too

[idle prism]

That’s an old bug that should be fixed

What version of the mod do you have downloaded?

Actually nevermind, I forgot to change the version number so that wont be helpful

[idle prism]

Try updating to the version I just pushed
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum/releases/tag/v2.0.1

[eager cradle]

It's 01:37 in my country so I'll test it a little bit later, thanks for fix

[eager cradle]

how? in herbalist deck description there's nothing about negative cards

and i don't have any vouchers except for 1 discard and pestle from deck

[idle prism]

It can just happen sometimes

You got very lucky

[eager cradle]

if you copy card held by bell with wax, it force selects it too lol

[idle prism]

what did you do to cause this crash?

[coarse shuttle]

Load the game

[idle prism]

Oh I see now, if you're using the version in pins then that has been out of date for a long time

you need to use an updated fork

(if you're not already)

[coarse shuttle]

ah

[coarse shuttle]

What fork do you suggest, @idle prism?

[idle prism]

These are the two I know to be working/have worked. Redux Arcanum is mine, so I can vouch that it works. AirBurn0's hasn't been updated in a bit, but if it works would be more faithful to the original.
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum
https://github.com/AirBurn0/Codex-Arcanum

[coarse shuttle]

@idle prism Would it be easy to add a sleeve of alchemy?

[idle prism]

Redux Arcanum already has card sleeves, so I'd say yes

unless you mean something else?

[tepid tinsel]

oh yeah I made those lol

[tepid tinsel]

if you want I can poke around my conversations with itay and in this thread since I'm pretty sure there were some ideas on how to use these

[thick cliff]

Oh, absolutely do that! I've been wanting to get insight on those.

[idle prism]

Pushed a new update to Redux. Mostly to make the mod compatible with SMODs new probability functionality.
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum/releases/tag/v2.0.2a

[balmy lance]

I have a question : why do I get a missing dependency if my SMODS is the latest version

[idle prism]

because I messed up lmao

[idle prism]

Got the fix up:
https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Redux-Arcanum/releases/tag/v2.0.2a

[balmy lance]

thx

[brisk terrace]

Hi on the latest Redux release and the steamodded you point to this crash happens on startup

[finite tapir]

saved

[idle prism]

do you have any other mods installed?

[idle prism]

I have an idea on what might be the issue and have pushed a potential fix. Try updating and see if it helps

[rich solar]

why is it doing this

[brisk terrace]

sorry for the delay! sadly the version I think you pushed still causes a crash :/ and yes I have a lot of other mods though this is the only one that causes this crash

[idle prism]

Well the error is ever so slightly different, so I think I did something

[idle prism]

I messed around with the spritesheet and got the margins wrong, will post the update soon

[idle prism]

I'm not sure what could be causing this anymore. If you know how to access your lovely logs I'd appreciate if you would DM me your common_events.lua file there so I can see what exactly is happening with your mods

Make sure to DM a version that has Redux enabled

[rich solar]

leaf turned my new card debuffed

[peak trench]

I'm considering getting into playing with some mods, and this is one of the mods I'm really excited for, but I'd like to also throw in the Extra Credit mod, and I'm wondering if that ruins Codex Arcanum, since Extra Credit adds 45 jokers, while Codex Arcanum adds only 8, making the alchemical cards harder to create synergies for.
Anyone got any experience playing this alongside other mods? Does it detract a lot from the Codex experience?
Also, has anyone made addons for Codex, adding more jokers to counter the dillution from other mods?

[idle prism]

That's a problem with a lot of mods that add unique content like this, and it's usually just a compromise people have to put up with

There's no great solution to it unfortunately outside of making addon mods like you said, which I don't think anyone has done

[peak trench]

Interestingly there are several mods that add 'alternates' of vanilla jokers (does the same thing, but 'slightly' different) to prevent dillution of vanilla content with too many mods on (Would be nice with one of those with only alternates of some of the most iconic and vital jokers instead of trying to make an upside-down version of the entirety of core game) I'm hoping someone makes an addon for this purpose for Codex. I love the concept, and the visuals are just perfect also.

[idle prism]

I can certainly think about it. I've been thinking of doing the same with other mods. Easiest way of doing it would be encouraging cross-mod content, where other large mods add a few extra jokers if played alongside this mod

[peak trench]

Got a couple ideas that might work:

Witch's Cauldron (Rare)
Temporary effects of alchemical cards last an additional round.

Homunculus Joker (Common)
Every scored 3 has a 1 in 4 chance of creating an alchemical card.

Philosopher's Stone (Legendary)
When you use an alchemical card that gives a temporary effect; this joker has a 1 in 5 chance of destroying itself and making the effect permanent.

Transmutation Joker (Uncommon)
If hand played contains a Straight with a 2 in it; Create an alchemical card

Accidental discovery Joker (Uncommon)
Create an alchemical card when you discard a viable 5-card hand.

Stargazer Joker (Common)
Using a planet card has a 1 in 3 chance of creating an alchemical card

Fool's gold (Common)
+2 Mult and +6 Chips for each alchemy card used.
-2 Mult and -6 Chips at the end of each round.

[stray fossil]

Gappie, what do you mean by this?

🤨

[mellow hearth]

I've played Codex Arcanum with Extra Credit before and it played fine together. The new jokers in Codex are good, but the meat of the mod is in the consumables which appear from new booster packs and vouchers. It also has a couple of decks which emphasize the arcanum cards, so I don't think you'll miss out on much if you combine both mods.

[slender moat]

I just wanna say that this was the mod that got me interested in Balatro mods, was the first mod I installed, and continues to be one of my favorites

Also alchemical cards are just really cool

[zinc arch]

still waiting for the big comeback of this legend

[heavy plover]

Realness

Same here

(Other than the fact that I haven't actually played any modded Balala yet)

[peak trench]

Same.
Btw; aside from Redux, is this mod abandoned?

[slender moat]

I think so

[peak trench]

Such a shame. Unique concept and beautiful artwork. Would love to see it continued and expanded on.

[smoky solar]

Redux has expanded it