Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod (1) [Old]

[upper pendant]

wait WHAT

imma go straight for reverie idc

[clear hare]

Reverie doesn’t work

iirc

Haven’t tried it but that’s what people said

[upper pendant]

lol as expected

well nvm for it i got some crashes haunting me nonstop on 1.0.0 rn

trying it out in alpha with all those mods means i gotta report tens of crashes a day

[clear hare]

After The Ruins I will probably make an 0.3.4 release

Since there’s already a lot of new things

Also I gotta get better at keeping track of patch notes lol

Hoping to get that done today since I’m going on vacation for like a week tmrw

[vestal seal]

gybe??

[brave ibex]

hmm

idk what that means

[vestal seal]

the joker name is just a reference to an album i'm 99% sure

[brave ibex]

Ask hexacryonic lol

Pretty sure it’s a game reference though

[clear hare]

Ultrakill levels iirc

[vestal seal]

or that

[brave ibex]

oh damn I gotta hurry up then 😭

[raven wedge]

cryptid speedrun real

[upper pendant]

well i feel lile its an issue on bunco's side?

[raven wedge]

bunco has no talisman support lol

[upper pendant]

i got trauma on the crash screen now

bruh

aight imma remove it for now sadge

so wouldnt it be dangerous tho

since no way 098 mods can have talisman support

[brave ibex]

they don't need support if they don't touch the things talisman modifies

[upper pendant]

also the compat is already applied in the main branch or its in another branch/fork

[brave ibex]

so it really depends

[upper pendant]

yea got it. so i gotta test them myself

[brave ibex]

hf with that xd

pretty sure anything that messes with the blind/score req will not work without talisman support so that's a start

[upper pendant]

ok thats almost every mod that i wanna try

but imma try with Math Certified Codex Arcanum first

[clear hare]

You can also disable the naneinf unlimiter in Talisman settings since that is what causes incompatibilities

[clear hare]

ngl you could get an insane speedrun with ante 1 The Joke

[upper pendant]

isnt that almost the main of the main feature of talisman?

[clear hare]

Yes

[upper pendant]

😭

[summer cargo]

I mean animation speedup is also nice

[upper pendant]

betmma vouchers crashed bc it HAS talisman compat i cant 😭

[raven wedge]

LMAO

[upper pendant]

i can disable stuff in its toml i know it

[raven wedge]

betmma has talisman compat but not non-talisman compat...

[upper pendant]

i remember ro-balatro has talisman compat too

[empty fern]

are there any new versions of stuffs im missing?

[raven wedge]

update your mods

[silver cobalt]

Mostly because it doesnt do anything that would even require a special change for compat

[clear hare]

update talisman

[brave ibex]

Finsished my stuff now, It's not 90 commits this time

This brings us up to 50 jokers now 🎉

[oak herald]

no sound no memory + lucky 7 from sdm0's stuff goes hard

[brave ibex]

mod synergies gonna go crazy

I think almost every mod added 7 jokers since they don't have much in vanilla 💀

just odd todd and ride the bus i think

[soft night]

rtb barely even counts

[clear hare]

merge first, bugfix later 🔥

for consume-able i can just make the number bigger

[brave ibex]

Fr

I tried bugfixing it and failed 😭

[clear hare]

what are the bugs

[brave ibex]

I’m pretty sure i’m using the wrong context

[clear hare]

for which joker

[brave ibex]

Consume-able

[clear hare]

[brave ibex]

It worked with a different context i used for testing so im pretty sure it’s that

I think I put notes in the calculate function for it and garden of forking paths so check there

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clear hare]

wait but you're using the right context

wtf

it works for me

[brave ibex]

What the heck 💀

Is this a mac moment

[clear hare]

wait what were you using to test it

I'm just using some tarots

[brave ibex]

I used planets and tarots

[clear hare]

it's working with everythingf

lmfao

even with fricking ccd

[brave ibex]

That’s wild

[oak herald]

😭

[clear hare]

also I think $2 seems fair

[oak herald]

unrelated, making a modpack out of 1.0.0 is unironically funny

[clear hare]

wait no $3

[brave ibex]

It was 5$ for 5 consumables in sheet so I went with that

[clear hare]

i want to do a proper one eventually, when 1.0.0 is released

[oak herald]

youve got multiple mods that synergize with each other somehow

[clear hare]

most sell for $1-$2 so $3 seems good for an uncommon

[brave ibex]

I was also considering 1$ and common

[clear hare]

oh god

message = "+" .. card.ability.extra.money

you're just setting a random value, this should be in the return object I think

[brave ibex]

But didn’t go through with it

Hmm

I think I just yoinked that from a different mod and assumed it would work 💀

[clear hare]

ok it works now

just have to add a dollar sihn

[brave ibex]

Oops

Epic

New release hype

[clear hare]

gotta go soon so will probably just add The Ruins tonight and then drop 0.3.4

I still want newer art for Frozen and Burnt cards so they can stack with enhancements visually but I can make some simple placeholder art if needed

literally just draw a few blue and red pixels

lmao

[soft night]

i can try

can i have a template for this

[clear hare]

the texture has to ultimately be transparent

you can use the joker template though to get the dimensions of the cards

[soft night]

excited to play 0.3.4 after work if it drops

[trail laurel]

this is my first time playing antimatter deck and OH MY, first shop synergy you say?

this is insane, I honestly never take campfire base game but how on earth could I ever say no to THIS campfire?!

ante 2 and each one is on x37 now

[oak herald]

funny

[trail laurel]

I got canvas... it's... it's retriggering the mult gain... why... how...

I did not think... wow

every sold card is being treated as 4 sold cards now

[oak herald]

now reach e308

[trail laurel]

got the error joker 👀

I can't... I just can't

if I take it I know my game will crash, I can't

game lags so much already at blind end do to all the money, lol

my 13 or so satellites

[silver cobalt]

You should probably also add the cold and the core because they would be really simple after doing all the work on the ruins

[trail laurel]

I got double scale 👀

it just keeps going

the... the double scale value isn't lost on boss blind defeat?

oh this just keeps getting crazier

[static sparrow]

Question

Can double scale double a double scale

[dull mural]

tried to use white hole with universum

[brave ibex]

No

[dull mural]

ah it crashes whenever i try to level up flush

[brave ibex]

Download most recent source code for cryptid

I believe math fix a few universum bugs already

Unless these are new ones 🧐

[dull mural]

yeah ima do that
i dont check for updates that often

[remote locust]

On CCD Deck, it’s easier to get exotic jokers than epic jokers

[dull mural]

buying boredom then rerolling crashes

okay i just started getting a bunch of seemingly different crashes?

and now im softlocked
playing a hand crashes and selling any jokers also crashes

cool?

[dull mural]

this is the crash i get when i tried to sell redeo

and this is the crash i get when i try to play a hand

[brave ibex]

Maybe try updating steamodded too

[dull mural]

mnnope

selling redeo again^

and playing a hand

unfort

[clear hare]

Is boredom bugged? I’ll check when I get back

Also playing Cryptid with achievement enabler is wild

[dull mural]

oh yeah

i keep forgetting to remove it cuz it just doesnt work lmao

[clear hare]

It does now

It didn’t work for a few versions of Steamodded but that was fixed

[remote locust]

math, when you are in a spectral pack or arcana using a consumable enchanced card counts as a card usage for the pack

not sure if that was fixed recently, i still need to update cryptid

[jaunty scarab]

ehh I doesn't bother me because I always play modded on the two other profiles so achievements never trigger anyways.

At least it seems like that.

[dull mural]

i tried it cuz i started using the more speeds mod while playing my vanilla profile

[remote locust]

welp.

[brave ibex]

Just get infity

Infinity counters the blind I think

[remote locust]

the blind seems to not work properly, bug fixing rn. could be talisman and the excessively large numbers tho

[clear hare]

Just score naneinf

But yeah comparisons can be weird if you start getting into ee12 territory or so

[remote locust]

it was an issue with where i added the lovely injection

died

[grim tendon]

trolling

also

[clear hare]

I think it’s still possible with edge cases
Like you score 9ee40 and the blind raises to 1.1e(e40+1)=1.1ee40<9ee40

[tired cedar]

i dont think i need to see either of those blinds exist in the real world

are all of the cryptid blinds that mean lol

the version ive most recently played with just has the 2 time related blinds and the tax

[remote locust]

You must score 0%-5% over or 8%-10%, both ranges exclusive

[remote locust]

It’s from another mod

Specifically created for the bosses to be mean

[tired cedar]

oh i see
that makes more sense lol

i mean i think the tax is mean but it's like "the plant" mean and not "whatever that is" mean

[remote locust]

dw there are 14 other ones

[brave ibex]

Consume-able is working properyl for me now

so weird...

[lime inlet]

jonkel
When a Common Joker is triggered, 1 in idk chance to earn idk% of money
Percentage increases by idk% per Common Joker

[oak herald]

"i'll do it myself"

[remote locust]

what?

[oak herald]

i had a challenge idea

antimatter deck, but scaling is ridculously fast

[remote locust]

that's fun, why?

[oak herald]

...unfortunately i don't know what math calls antimatter deck internally

[remote locust]

gee if only you could check

[oak herald]

it's probably just cry-Antimatter but eh

[clear hare]

That or cry-Antimatter Deck

[oak herald]

👍

note that i had to do it in a sort of "hacky" way by modifying the gotta go fast challenge from betma internally

100000, 1e13, 1e30, 1e70, 1e120, 1e174, 1e235, 1e300
score reqiurements if anyone is curious

[vestal seal]

what ante would have talisman infinity reqs

[remote locust]

yes

[oak herald]

no idea

but i made post 8 ante scaling faster

[remote locust]

extremely unrelated to the question

[vestal seal]

i mostly mean vanilla cryptid

[oak herald]

oh

uhhh

vanilla?

2e153

[vestal seal]

very big number

[remote locust]

for me it the ante wouldn't go up past 113

[soft night]

?

nvm found the cause prob

[clear hare]

Update Talisman

[clear hare]

Wait here me out

Make it scale so ante 4 is e300 and ante 8 is ee300

[remote locust]

when Lavndender Loop is Infinity

eh actually that would take a while

[clear hare]

Lavender Loop effect would be virtually nonexistent

Tbh I will probably push Ruins to 0.3.5/0.4.0 since I don’t want to push 0.3.4 off until after I go on vacation

This way I can basically just bugfix today and release something that’s polished (hopefully)

[oak herald]

unfortunately im not sure how to add in talisman support for this

[clear hare]

to_big(1,1e300) = ee300

[oak herald]

👍

[clear hare]

Also if you can, maybe patch ease_ante to disable ante lowering

Or just ban hieroglyph, petroglyph, redeo, etc.

Maybe also ban boss rerolling 👿

[remote locust]

make a time based off of the time in the run

which scales exponentially

[clear hare]

Multiply in-game dt by real-time spent this run

Won’t mess up the mod Ankh or anything

[remote locust]

blind which scales via tetration based on the amount of playtime on balatro

[clear hare]

Does luasteam let you grab that?

[remote locust]

idk

would be funny tho

[clear hare]

I don’t think it does :(

[oak herald]

i'll make the challenge tomorrow

[cold sandal]

hmmm

:)

Ima set the base blind reqs to 1.1 or something now

Surely this wont be a bad idea right

I wouldn't be surprized if it crashed

It worked lmao

[remote locust]

Luchador or die

[cold sandal]

how long does it take to crash

[remote locust]

won't it just go until infinity

[cold sandal]

Yeah

But im wondering how much i can do before game go boom

[clear hare]

This won’t crash though

[cold sandal]

New Blind Idea
Lavender Loop But Better
1.001x base, scale blind requirements by ^2 every second spent this round

{joke}

[silver cobalt]

Can we like

Actually make the tags

Those things still havent been added

[static sparrow]

Jimball is peak tbh but
Is there a toggle for the music, or can I somehow edit the mod code?
I know I could mute Im just picky-

[clear hare]

That’s actually what I planned next after blinds!

[silver cobalt]

Also eclipse and echo cards but enhancement api is still in the works

[clear hare]

When I make more settings this will definitely be on there

[silver cobalt]

I guess the tags have somewhat taken a backseat

[static sparrow]

Ballin'

[silver cobalt]

Since everyone had a meme joker phase

And then blind shennanigans

[clear hare]

Tbh I just didn’t work on Cryptid that much

Because of finals and then blinds were fun to make

And now I’ll be on vacation without my computer so it might be another week

[silver cobalt]

Fair enough

And i cant carry on without you cause im also on vacation

[summer cargo]

Hmm this gives me a funny idea for an enhancement

when this card is scored, draw a card

[silver cobalt]

LOL

Maybe like recyclable card?

Made of recyclable paper

[clear hare]

I like that idea

[silver cobalt]

Kinda this texture

[summer cargo]

It's kinda worthless on its own but goes hard if you have card retriggers

[static sparrow]

If the enhancement drew it after drawing your next hand, then that'd be p good
Since, if it was just on it's own it'd just draw back up to full hand if it was high card

[summer cargo]

also
Mirror Card
When this card is scored, create a Perishable copy of this card and draw it to hand
(Mirror cards are destroyed if debuffed)

[clear hare]

I was thinking like crumpled paper

[remote locust]

“Enhancement” idea, Glued: you cannot draw this card

[clear hare]

Thats unfolded

[silver cobalt]

Bloody Card
^1 mult, gains ^0.01 per bloody card destroyed this run

[raven wedge]

free infinite mosb fuel..

[silver cobalt]

Tarots could be
Circle of life for recyclable cards
The lake for mirror cards
The altar for bloody cards

[brave ibex]

altar could be a spectral ngl

[silver cobalt]

Good idea

But then how do you get enough bloody cards for them to do anything lol

You would need to destroy so many

Also for the naming i went for concepts that were adjacent to the enhancements but not directly referencing them

[soft night]

welp i finally pulled off NSNM and light up the night together

hardcrashed the fucking game at ante 26 alongside a shitton of canvases, errors, and exponentia

[clear hare]

unable to repro

[silver cobalt]

Maybe these should start out with 1.1, like exponentia

[remote locust]

No I mean a card enhanced with a consumable

Like from CCD deck

[silver cobalt]

Or hammerspace

[clear hare]

it makes sense with this concept tbh

powerful reward that requires committing to it but is well worth it long-term

[clear hare]

oh

OH

[silver cobalt]

About what?

[raven wedge]

did cryptid happen to kill to_big?

[clear hare]

not starting at ^1.1

[clear hare]

update Talisman

if it's undefined

[raven wedge]

okay it's their fault then

[silver cobalt]

Ok

[raven wedge]

my stuff is always updated

[silver cobalt]

I just dont think it would be spectral worthy

[clear hare]

[silver cobalt]

You just do not get enough of them

[clear hare]

good thing 0.3.4 is releasing soon and they will be downloading Talisman 1.2.2 along with it

[silver cobalt]

If it started at 1

[clear hare]

agreed

You’d need card duping strats and that’s not guaranteed

[silver cobalt]

Add them to the sheet

Or else

[clear hare]

I'm fixing a bug rn

will add after

nice
(I used The Vacuum, hence the consumables were removed)

alr I will probably do one more test run and then ship it

[vestal seal]

first recorded time matador is good

[silver cobalt]

It actually gives you -60

[clear hare]

bug: opening standard packs causes numbers in enhancements to change globally on Misprint deck

surely my first fix works

[vestal seal]

when scoring animations are disabled, waluigi very slowly runs through every joker

idk if this is reported or not

[clear hare]

looks like its animation is not disabled by talisman

fixed

now that this should be fixed and enhancements work properly, let me try getting through a "normal" run on misprint deck

NICE

[raven wedge]

4.20 mult 69 chips

nice

[vestal seal]

nice jokes arent funny 🤓

[clear hare]

this run is pretty good

[raven wedge]

ortalab???

[vestal seal]

its still so funny that blurred joker has the ortalab template

[silver cobalt]

You are in denial

[clear hare]

ortalab reference confirmed???

[vestal seal]

i think the nerd emoji was pretty good indication that was a joke(r)

[silver cobalt]

Thay response was also a joke

[vestal seal]

then we are all good

[silver cobalt]

The most dead mod ever

Besides reskinned

[clear hare]

well reshuffled is "finished" tbh

[silver cobalt]

Good point

[clear hare]

some ppl want to revive it though from what I've seen

[silver cobalt]

Ortalab just kinda ended a third of the way through

It just died on the spot

[clear hare]

i think it just needs a coder

i can def see it revived at some point, and pretty quickly once it gets going

issue is all the mod devs are busy working on their own mods

[silver cobalt]

I just suck at coding lol

[vestal seal]

and half of the 0.9.8 mod devs arent active

[clear hare]

I could see Crimson Heart reviving it once they return

[silver cobalt]

And im also on vacation for 1 amd a half weeks still

[silver cobalt]

It has a 1.0 branch

[vestal seal]

i mean mostly in general

[silver cobalt]

Ye

[jaunty scarab]

That is probably out of date for current Steamodded alpha xdd

[vestal seal]

mostly in general probably means the same thing but whatever honestly

[silver cobalt]

You did update it tho

[cold sandal]

quick question; are there any jokers other than marble that create cards at the start of round

[clear hare]

idts

def not in vanilla

[vestal seal]

certificate

that adds to hand though

[cold sandal]

Yeah im just looking for adding to deck

[clear hare]

it's done a bit differently though

to hand, not to deck

[vestal seal]

marble is probably your best shot

[clear hare]

soul gave me a X16 mult trib

and I have a hanging chad with 13 retriggers

now I just got 18 free rerolls from reroll vouchers

average misprint deck run

almost hit the exodia

[remote locust]

what'
s that?

[clear hare]

all suit planets

[remote locust]

no suitless suit (stone cards), :(

[clear hare]

let's just say I got ERROR

[remote locust]

are we saying that because it's true?

[clear hare]

it gets better

e107

oh no we have vermillion virus

good thing my jokers are replacable

[remote locust]

question

does vermillion virus work on eternal jokers

[clear hare]

yes

I have my set up

3/8 chance the boss does nothing, and I get two extra chances if it does something

reasonably priced jimball

[scenic pumice]

❌

it only has the text

[clear hare]

ok let's see if we get scammed

nice

[remote locust]

imagine it replaces one with an exotic

[clear hare]

it can't

[remote locust]

oh

[clear hare]

I use the same joker rates as shop

[scenic pumice]

aw

wait

[remote locust]

so in equalibrium

[clear hare]

also you can abuse that to get 1 joker slot

[remote locust]

you can get a voucher

[clear hare]

yes

wait now I need to try that

[remote locust]

blueprint on Retcon

[clear hare]

also because it replaced a negative joker I just got a free joker slot

[scenic pumice]

woo

[clear hare]

also it happened on discard so 🪲

[raven wedge]

make it call remove_from_deck() coward

[remote locust]

i feel it shouldn't do that

also does Sapphire Stamp check if it was disabled before removing the extra card selection thing

[clear hare]

you can get softlocked with chicot bug

[remote locust]

no not that

[clear hare]

but tbh I'm fine with that since it matches chicot behavior

oh the other thing

[remote locust]

when you defeat the blind it takes the extra selected card away

does it check to make surr you didn't disable the blind

[clear hare]

doesn't using defeat() and disable() work fine

or do I have to add a check

[remote locust]

i think you do

[clear hare]

you've written more blinds than me so I trust you

[raven wedge]

defeat does not have a self.disabled check

i. think

[clear hare]

now we have two blind developers

[raven wedge]

i'm still the blindomancer

[clear hare]

and you would be right!

now that I'm patching vermillion virus should it replace a joker when you select it or not?

[remote locust]

it should

[brave ibex]

does vv only give commons? cuz that's all i got the only time I faced it

[clear hare]

ok it turns out remove_from_deck calls set_blind

and now vv is looping forever

uh oh

[raven wedge]

i think you can try using the joker replacement code i made for better balatro

[remote locust]

not reset

[raven wedge]

wtf lmao

[clear hare]

also looks like it only uses commons

I can fix that too

[remote locust]

put your code in a if not reset

[clear hare]

👍

oh wait no wonder it was all commons because I forced the edition poll to be 0

💀

[remote locust]

wow

[clear hare]

also DoE won't apply because it's not in shop

also I kinda like that orb displays 0 chips

it makes it a surprise

[remote locust]

#1251538877156425738 message boutta ruin Cryptid runs forever

[clear hare]

wait actually it replaces before the hand is played with current code

I actually like that better

it's so evil

[remote locust]

as in after "Play Hand" is pressed

[clear hare]

ok lemme check this all works and then I'll drop 0.3.4

[remote locust]

coward /j

[raven wedge]

coward

fuck it we ball

[true harness]

we ball

oh no
the song
the JIMBALL song is haunting me again

[clear hare]

it's here!https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/releases/tag/v0.3.4

[subtle nova]

maybe this weekend I'll feel inspired and program a joker

[silver cobalt]

Oh god does it use the cursed 2x art for efficiare

[clear hare]

Sending prayers to 1x users

[silver cobalt]

Sending prayers to me

Im gonna have a pitchfork mob outside my house

[jaunty scarab]

But D6 Side art looks the best at 1x 😭

[true harness]

me when a single white hole broke high card

uhh

apparently, backing out while leveling up breaks infinity

[true harness]

oops

edition override from deck ability overlapped Perkeo

[teal plover]

i made this for math but he didn't want to use it so i'll be using it in my own mod

i'll show it here anyway because why not

[true harness]

what does it do

[remote locust]

for me, ty /j

[jagged garden]

Mathguy vs MathIsFun in a sand pit fight

[fervent grotto]

ah yes. speculo

and a hundred brainstorms (well less than that)

lets see w hat happens if i copy trib

[true harness]

man
I don't want to sell anything now

[raven wedge]

WHEN YOU SEE IT

WHEN YOU FUCKING SEE IT

[fervent grotto]

question

how is that x12.1 mult

[true harness]

double scale

[fervent grotto]

yeah how does it work exactly

i never figured

[true harness]

take throwback for example

[fervent grotto]

0,25x per skip

[true harness]

start at X1 Mult, increase by X0.25

[fervent grotto]

yeah

[true harness]

every increase raises the increment by X0.25 Mult

it would be like this

X1, X1.25, X1.75, X2.5, X3.5, etc.

[fervent grotto]

so
1.0
1.25
1.75
2.25
3.0

did i miscalculate

lmao

ah yes counted 0.5 twice

but yeah i get the idea now

now get in the M and m jokers

and double scale

imagine

[true harness]

Exponentia is cracked enough with double scale

[karmic bough]

Why everything 1*1

[teal plover]

universum can usually wind up making hands go down to 1 x 1 after using a white hole

[fervent grotto]

oh

how does that even work

[true harness]

it gives ^Mult instead of Xmult

[fervent grotto]

yeah i remember

it's like ^1.1 at the start right

and grows by 0.01

[true harness]

the lag

for some reason pot of jokes is giving Xmult

which is clearly not from poly

[remote locust]

Now imagine an exponential scale

[fervent grotto]

how come then lmao

[true harness]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fervent grotto]

just picked up cryptid literally yesterday

so far the most interesting mod i've seen lmao

the sheer absurdity of it

[remote locust]

have u played CCD deck?

[fervent grotto]

also maximized + paraidoleia sounds fun

[true harness]

what does CCD stand for, I wonder

[teal plover]

because it is, literally every card including stone counts as a king

[fervent grotto]

exactyly what i'm doing chief

[fervent grotto]

yeah

cheapest all-deck king solution

[teal plover]

Consumable Cards in Deck, it's named after a vanilla bug

[true harness]

I see

[fervent grotto]

yeah i've seen that bug

it's absurd

[true harness]

same

[fervent grotto]

especially in vanilla

it's just cursed

[true harness]

at least in vanilla it breaks the game
now we have a real CCD deck that actually works

[remote locust]

imma look at Talisman ee308 is limiting, i want to see if it can go higher.

[fervent grotto]

currently looking for oa6

[true harness]

well, Tetration Mult should break that limit with ease

[fervent grotto]

i've got it ahahahah

there's maximized behind it

[teal plover]

there are bignumber systems that can hold more than 9.99999e1.7976931348621742e308

all we really need to do is just have the exponent in the bignumber's data be a table instead of a number, and do all sorts of behind the scenes stuff to make it work

[fervent grotto]

oh speculo you're kidding me

[remote locust]

can't help but notice that that's only 2 es

[teal plover]

i know

[remote locust]

honestly might just make my own class and subsistute it for Talisman's

[teal plover]

i have made a bignumber system of my own before for gmod

[fervent grotto]

imagine copying this with alll the brainstorms

[teal plover]

i'll see if i can code a new bignumber system for talisman in the hopes that math will use it

[remote locust]

ill do the same

[true harness]

you run out of discards before being able to draw any more from your deck

not worth

[fervent grotto]

lmao

well unles you get that

[teal plover]

but i want to be a bit careful with it because, i don't want any exponent to go past 9,007,199,254,740,991

[fervent grotto]

draw your entire deck at the beginning

[fervent grotto]

who cares if it's all kings

but yeah it's just a fun idea

[true harness]

lol

[remote locust]

does lua just keep allocating memory without limit, or does it overflow at some point.

[teal plover]

that's not the problem, the problem is precision loss

9,007,199,254,740,992 + 1 will equal 9,007,199,254,740,992 because of precision loss, for example

and that can be a big deal for bignumbers with a lot of exponents

[fervent grotto]

ah found it

I kinda want a few copies of it with speculo now

but idk how i' gonna arrange that XD

if I just copy speculo wtih all the bs it's gonna crash i swear

[remote locust]

to be honest 2*ee100 is basically the same as 9*ee100

[lime inlet]

when the blind req is 3*ee100

[teal plover]

but mathguy, think about when an exponent needs to roll over to a higher exponent

a number can suddenly become a lot smaller if the higher exponent can't increase due to precision loss

[remote locust]

what im saying is the moment you have a second e the main co-efficent is basically pointless

[remote locust]

and i totally agree with this

[teal plover]

you mean the mantissa?

or the first exponent?

[remote locust]

sorry i don't really know the terminology

[remote locust]

im just talking about this

and how one can basically throw away the 2 and 9 as these are basicallt the same number

[teal plover]

the mantissa is the number that comes before any exponent

4.3912e299
- mantissa

[remote locust]

okay

yes the mantissa

[teal plover]

why throw away the mantissa?

[remote locust]

in what situation will the difference between 2e100 and 9e100 matter?

[teal plover]

it can still happen.

it doesn't matter if it's unlikely

[remote locust]

*2ee100 and 9ee100

[teal plover]

again, it can still happen

[remote locust]

ig

[teal plover]

the chances are low but it can happen, i wouldn't discard the mantissa for any reason

i mean, you can't have really have an exponent just on its own; it has little meaning without a mantissa

i know that talisman displays really big numbers without a mantissa, but behind the scenes the mantissa is still there

[remote locust]

should we move this to Talisman forum?

[fervent grotto]

bit of overkill

uh oh, what does error do

especially when in large quantities lmao

i've got like 4

[lime inlet]

smth that's gonna crash ur game

[fervent grotto]

well

what crashed it was trying to sell an error

XD

[true harness]

iirc

after 3 rounds, sell Error to make it do sth

[teal plover]

after a random number of rounds, sell to duplicate every joker, can overflow past maximum slots

that's what i remember the last time i used it, i don't know if its functionality has changed

[swift jacinth]

why are there so many stakes

i just finished yellow, and now theres jade

[true harness]

uhh

it's taking about a minute to boot

I removed Cryptid and Talisman but it still persists, probably something to do with Steamodded packaged along in the zip file

[true harness]

huh
6th card breaks fish

[clear hare]

Because it’s a Six of a Flush, not Five of a Flush

It’ll be a fish when it gets deselected

[raven wedge]

what the fuck

💀

[clear hare]

Normal Cryptid run:

[remote locust]

Lavander Soup

[cold sandal]

Score at least infinity

[clear hare]

ee308 is funnier though

[granite ibex]

e(1e308)308

[summer cargo]

Yeah this is a good round 1 shop

[clear hare]

#⚙・modding-general message

[summer cargo]

honestly i think the thing id like the most is the option to en/disable things more granularly at some point, eg. tenebris's money generation

[violet egret]

wait does selling universum keep the higher hand levels

[true harness]

it does
you just no longer get the Multiplicative leveling up

[violet egret]

well anyways im bored and im going for ante 100

wait how long does it take to reach inf base score in talisman

[clear hare]

yes

[true harness]

yes

||ante ~1e152, not worth trying because heat death of the universe would happen far sooner than you reaching 1% of the way||

[violet egret]

shocker

[summer cargo]

Hmm
Left a shop and it exploded, i kinda hate that it's cut off like that so you can't tell what mod is causing it

it worked when i rebooted the game so ?

[true harness]

I think there's something about Steamodded packaged within the zip

now it takes way longer to boot
the game crashes when I try to load my vanilla save, even without any other mods installed

[subtle nova]

(Scroll moment)

[vestal seal]

the only way i could realistically see it is extreme diligens abuse

[clear hare]

Or until I add something that gives X2 ante

[vestal seal]

that would be diligens

[cold sandal]

Art for

2x

[remote locust]

what an impressive joker

[weak burrow]

peak art

[remote locust]

or playing car

*car

[clear hare]

Best art I’ve ever seen for this mod

[remote locust]

**card

[clear hare]

Why is my playing car speeding

[cold sandal]

Lmao

I just saw it in the suggestion box and was like

ok

sure

[brave ibex]

Talisman bug, fixed in a newer version

[brave ibex]

QSU6LV4V has a natural epic first shop if anyone wants to mess around :p

if you have newest ver it's caramel

[oak herald]

for some reason i had a legendary joker idea

Freezer:

All Food Jokers are frozen (they don't tick down)

[jaunty scarab]

Why not freeze all jokers?

Cannot be depleted and cannot be destroyed.

[oak herald]

🤔

maybe freezer sounds better as an epic idk

[raven wedge]

okay i see LobotomyCorp

will fix

[echo jacinth]

is there a joker where "hand stops scoring when it gets past blind size"

[scenic pumice]

seems more like a rare/uncommon

rare if it applies to all jokers

[brave ibex]

try updating steamodded

that version looks a bit outdated

[clear hare]

0601a 💀

[clear hare]

Replace the Steamodded version with that from the last Cryptid release

[summer cargo]

So am I missing something about The Tax or is it just "if your hands count is 2 or less, you lose"

[raven wedge]

yes

[summer cargo]

amazing game desog

[clear hare]

Cryptid moment

[raven wedge]

Cryptid moment

[subtle nova]

Cryptid moment

[umbral dagger]

Cant wait for someone to get the black deck -> hieroglyph -> the tax -> guaranteed loss true combo

[brave ibex]

blueprint burglar will clutch

[summer cargo]

👍
I wasn't even shooting for that

but i guess that's what you get with ^1.3M twice

it's a shame, i was trying to make a whitenight build

[soft night]

KING SEX

WE FOUND HIM

[upper pendant]

Baron de Sade

[jaunty scarab]

Where's Baroness?

[vestal seal]

shoot the moon

[rough violet]

im so glad this deck exists

[celest tinsel]

is crypted balmod or steammodded?

[summer cargo]

steamodded/lovely

mostly lovely

[soft night]

this looks sick

[clear hare]

A lot of both

[celest tinsel]

i cant find a link to steammoded?

[soft night]

it comes packaged with the latest release i think

correct me if im wrong

[celest tinsel]

wdym?

[clear hare]

The latest download for Cryptid (in pins) includes a version of Steamodded compatible with it

[celest tinsel]

thanks

cant find steammoded still. might be blind.

nvm

found it on main page

dont know how to use github

how do i get it to work with a zip folder?

[clear hare]

Extract the files into Mods folder

So Mods/Cryptid, Mods/Talisman, and Mods/Steamodded

[celest tinsel]

how do i fix this?

this is my mods list

[clear hare]

Update lovely

Also don’t rename Talisman folder, since that will cause a crash later

[celest tinsel]

i didnt?

lovely is in the crypted folder rightnow. should i move it out a layer?

[silver cobalt]

No the lovely that is already out a layer

[jagged garden]

Will blurred joker art ever get changed? Really feels weird having an Ortalab thing in here

[celest tinsel]

that one dosent work

[brave ibex]

Ashen mountain done

[celest tinsel]

its like 2 months old

[brave ibex]

I don't plan to

[silver cobalt]

Yeah uh update that one

[celest tinsel]

cant find a link to.

[silver cobalt]

If you for some reason have the entirety of lovely inside cryptid

That not a good idea

[silver cobalt]

https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector

[silver cobalt]

That isnt lovely

Those are lovely patches being used by cryptid

The actual lovely is the one in the mods folder

[celest tinsel]

what do i do with the lovely-ingector-master?

cant find where to get "lovely-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc.zip"

[silver cobalt]

Dowloads lol

[violet egret]

Is there a way to make the scaling per ante increase a lot at very late antes

Like after ante 40 it increases by X1.5

[scenic pumice]

late antes already scale way faster then that

[celest tinsel]

i dont know ehre that is

nvm found it

[silver cobalt]

Unzip it

And just out in in your mods folder

Make sure to avoid a double folder

Delete the old lovely

Huzzah, update

[celest tinsel]

looks like this now

moved it to the right place

cant delete it

[raven wedge]

close the game

[celest tinsel]

i thoug hi did XD

[raven wedge]

put the version.dll in the game installation directory, not the mods folder

[celest tinsel]

im getting this now

ok it changed to this

[remote locust]

imagine only going to ee308

[clear hare]

I think they mean like ^1.5

[remote locust]

big blind was no exxageration

[celest tinsel]

mathisfun do you have any idea why its not working?

[brave ibex]

achivement enabler doesn't work and is very buggy so I would start with removing that and seeing if there is still errors

[celest tinsel]

renaming talisman fixed it?

[brave ibex]

yeah

idrk

[celest tinsel]

cards just go up to score and then score without playing any animation

just goes up gives me my score

[remote locust]

anyone have tips for how to reach absurd scores, tryna get a third e

[celest tinsel]

like if you play 4- cards on the sycick

[remote locust]

go to settings

Spectral Pack then Talisman

[celest tinsel]

found it

[vestal seal]

error spam on exponentia canvas

[remote locust]

btw does double scale work with exponentia

[brave ibex]

double scale works with everything

except non scalers

[remote locust]

The Tax does not like my nonsense, got it (it bugged and ddn't let be get past 2.22e480)

[brave ibex]

cruel blind final boss: "you can't win lmao"

[remote locust]

not sure why it capped me incorrectly tho

[brave ibex]

maybe a rounding error?

no that doesn't make sense

[remote locust]

the number storage uses a decimal

but they are a whole 0.1 apart

still very discernable

[cold sandal]

ADHD Joker with any of the Sly, Wily, Clever, Devious, or Crafty Jokers is gonna be the best Joker combo

without question

Because of effect 151

as a reminder effect 151 is this

151: Conditional Chip Jokers now all give xChips instead of +Chips (Or ^Chips if this effect has been triggered before (Or ^^Chips blah blah blah you get the point I don't know the proper wording))

Like sure you have to get 151 a bunch of times

[celest tinsel]

just you avrage equilibrium deck run

[cold sandal]

but then you just win

[remote locust]

only?

[celest tinsel]

you can go higher?

[cold sandal]

Thats kinda small

[remote locust]

I can

[remote locust]

e4.74e730 is above Infinity limit

[silver cobalt]

Gg you managed to get it working

[cold sandal]

I still gotta make like 160 more effects for the ADHD Joker

[celest tinsel]

its lagging hard

[stark charm]

Loadsa Multi!

[celest tinsel]

i am crashing my computor on each card

[remote locust]

this talisman version still doesn't work very well though

i can't select face down cards without closing the game

[celest tinsel]

5k cards :0

[remote locust]

i can still release it if anyone wants in the highly buggy state.

[cold sandal]

Reminder that this exists

[remote locust]

k

[cold sandal]

Oh yeah friendly reminder if anybody wants to make effects for the ADHD Joker feel free to do so

[brave ibex]

wip labyrinth 👀

[remote locust]

me when Mult^ instead of ^Mult

[cold sandal]

ADHD Joker effect 151 would still get infinity

[remote locust]

btw infinity limit is ee308

[cold sandal]

Eventually

[brave ibex]

what do you have so far lol

[cold sandal]

All of this

Plus 345: Hand is considered a straight and 314: Create a random item concepted by MathIsFun_

[brave ibex]

some of those don't look too difficult to do tbh

maybe if I have free time

[cold sandal]

112 is just Chad but less

131 is just Effarcire

[cold sandal]

Who would win? Omeganum or ADHD Joker effect 151

[remote locust]

OmegaNum has a higher cap

[cold sandal]

ADHD 151 was made without a cap in mind lmao

10{1000}9e15 scaring you? just get 1001 ^s with ADHD Joker effect 151

Might take 10 years

[remote locust]

changing exponentia's effect to ^^3 now

[brave ibex]

expo gaming

[cold sandal]

@clear hare Should we add a secondary suggestion box for more recent suggestions so that when one of us goes to port suggestions over to the main sheet we can just look at the newer suggestions rather than having to search through the old suggestions to find them?

[brave ibex]

add me fr

so I can put in anything I do

[clear hare]

Uhh sure

[clear hare]

Might need those new formatting libs…

[swift jacinth]

theres a little bug about a blind i think, ssomething about to_big being nil

[clear hare]

Update Talisman

[swift jacinth]

kk

yep it works

[cold sandal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6st5Uf08xz0nNjXJ0LZiBo6TG26F5IZRkV4xulZicI/edit?gid=2121748169#gid=2121748169

And ofc the pin is updated too.

[lofty surge]

this is soo unbalanced

this is larger than violet vessel in 12 secs

[brave ibex]

Cryptid moment

[remote locust]

Do you know what mod you are using?

[raven wedge]

Cryptid moment

[silver cobalt]

So the suggestion box is now just the graveyard?

[cold sandal]

Yeah kinda

Vault and Locked might be added if theres a way to get rid of Locked

Like if you use a key or something

who

[cloud granite]

Check edit history

[junior river]

why is there no antimatter joker.,.,.

copies every joker in the game,,.,

[raven wedge]

Antimatter Joker: Installs Antimatter Dimensions on your device

[true harness]

we have Negative Joker as Epic, and Tenebris as Exotic
why not Antimatter

something like:
Antimatter Joker (Epic)

Sell this joker to gain +1 joker slot, +1 consumable slot and +1 hand size
Gain +1 more of each slot when Boss blind is defeated

[lime inlet]

m

[silver cobalt]

There updated

[dusty python]

oh wow, the nostalgic candy art do be nostalgic lol

[cold sandal]

Recyclable Card

2x

some random Deck i made

2x

(It's just Ghost Nebula and Magic on top of eachother)

[weak burrow]

Looks like an image after being compressed too hard idk why lmao

[cold sandal]

Dont make me pull up the oversaturated nebula deck

doesnt look that bad though

[dusty python]

do plasma deck oversaturated lol

[cold sandal]

Plasma deck and the unused gradient deck

Abandoned deck looks so bad

[dusty python]

oh wow painted deck is horrendous, as well as ghost

[cold sandal]

Even further beyond

[dusty python]

you just murdered anaglyph, didn't you?

[cold sandal]

Last one

Abandoned Deck is now the McDonalds deck

[clear hare]

McDeck

Oversaturated (Edition): Retrigger this Joker, Consumable, or Playing Card

Oh wait red seal exists

[cold sandal]

If we're adding an Oversaturated Edition how many times is it gonna be boosted

[clear hare]

Oversaturated (Edition): Double all values of this Joker, Consumable, or Playing Card

[clear hare]

Waiting on Edition API

[cold sandal]

Oversaturated Immolate

With the way it's worded now that I'm reading it the Recyclable Card doesn't really do anything

[clear hare]

I hope ChatGPT coded this properly

extern float saturation = 1.5; // This will control the amount of oversaturation

vec3 rgb2hsv(vec3 c)
{
    vec4 K = vec4(0.0, -1.0/3.0, 2.0/3.0, -1.0);
    vec4 p = mix(vec4(c.bg, K.wz), vec4(c.gb, K.xy), step(c.b, c.g));
    vec4 q = mix(vec4(p.xyw, c.r), vec4(c.r, p.yzx), step(p.x, c.r));

    float d = q.x - min(q.w, q.y);
    float e = 1.0e-10;
    return vec3(abs(q.z + (q.w - q.y) / (6.0 * d + e)), d / (q.x + e), q.x);
}

vec3 hsv2rgb(vec3 c)
{
    vec4 K = vec4(1.0, 2.0/3.0, 1.0/3.0, 3.0);
    vec3 p = abs(fract(c.xxx + K.xyz) * 6.0 - K.www);
    return c.z * mix(K.xxx, clamp(p - K.xxx, 0.0, 1.0), c.y);
}

vec4 effect(vec4 color, Image texture, vec2 texture_coords, vec2 screen_coords)
{
    vec4 texColor = Texel(texture, texture_coords) * color;
    vec3 hsv = rgb2hsv(texColor.rgb);
    hsv.y = hsv.y * saturation; // Increase the saturation
    hsv.y = clamp(hsv.y, 0.0, 1.0); // Ensure the saturation stays within bounds
    vec3 rgb = hsv2rgb(hsv);
    return vec4(rgb, texColor.a);
}

[cold sandal]

This is 2x saturation btw

Double Up Deck:
Every value in shop is doubled.

hmm

[dusty python]

just a short question, what are the jokers centered around 7s based on?

[cold sandal]

^

[dusty python]

ah, thx

thats kinda cool

[celest tinsel]

what dose blank deck do?

[cold sandal]

||Nothing. It doesn't lie when it says it does nothing. In the future it'll be used to unlock the Antimatter Deck though.||

[celest tinsel]

ah

how do you type spoilers?

[summer cargo]

||text||

-> ||text||

[celest tinsel]

||why dose the antimatter deck make things cost a fraction of a dollor?||

[brave ibex]

misprint deck

[vestal seal]

misprint deck yeah

[celest tinsel]

ah

thanks

:(

[dusty python]

canvas is f*cking crazy.

[celest tinsel]

what dose it do again?

[cold sandal]

||Retrigger all jokers to the left once for each non-common joker to the right||

[celest tinsel]

oh

how do i normaly get epics?

also for a sugestion ban the tax on the golden needle chalange

[cold sandal]

They just spawn in shop like other Jokers

Just

really rare

0.7% i think

[celest tinsel]

i just got a first shop gateway on very fair deck

[cold sandal]

Thats wild

What did you get from it?

[celest tinsel]

small spectral pack

[cold sandal]

What did you get from the gateway i mean

[celest tinsel]

this one

oh

tenebris

[cold sandal]

If you beat next round you'll be good to go

Just dont die

to the big blind

[celest tinsel]

i beat it

[cold sandal]

w

[celest tinsel]

my game just crashed and reset the run

[cold sandal]

💀

[celest tinsel]

yeeep

[silver cobalt]

Im really ehhh about this art

I was thinking of it actually having the recycling symbol

Or being made of the brown of recycled paper

Possibly both

[jaunty scarab]

Wrong chat whoops

[abstract summit]

I added mathisfun's joker

[clear hare]

[summer cargo]

vouchers = very yes

(there's actually more offscreen)

[jaunty scarab]

I think I'm in an infinite help

[summer cargo]

but that's not a...?

[jaunty scarab]

Maybe using a card that ||dupes all jokers|| with another joker that dupes jokers was a really bad idea

[summer cargo]

oh did you do error + archibald

yeah, really bad idea

ended up with like 3000 jonklers

[jaunty scarab]

I think I have like 40 of these HELP ME

[trail laurel]

I tried updating cryptid/steammodded/lovely and now the game won't launch :<

I don't know what I did wrong lol

the game reaches the point where it shows the black screen but never moves past it

[brave ibex]

show your mods folder

[trail laurel]

🤦‍♀️ why the hell do I have 2 steammodded folders

I'm so stupid, hold on

thank you lol, I have no idea how that happened\

wait, I'm confused, looking at the collection now, is ||crustulum just infinite? if rerolls give permanent value and you get infinite rerolls?||

[celest tinsel]

yes

[cold sandal]

game is become cookie clicker

[celest tinsel]

game just glitched and set me to ante 8?

[vestal seal]

thats a boss

[celest tinsel]

lets do a chalange

[celest tinsel]

wdym?

[vestal seal]

you probably went across the boss "the joke"

[celest tinsel]

oh

i didnt double the score though

welp getting that on ante 1 is an ass

[trail laurel]

weiiiird, my game crashed with antimatter deck cuz I had used the cryptid spectral to duplicate a bunch of wild 8 cards in hand, then I attempted to play them all, game crashed then, after that, it took 4 restarts before the game didn't crash on start, then I went back into the game and now the cryptid's I have aren't affected by misprint deck anymore

they used to say make 4 copies of 3 cards, now it's back to 2 of 1 card

hmm, game crashes seem to happen so easy with infinite selection, I don't even think I tried playing more than 8 cards in that hand
now I'm curious just how many cards it takes to crash here

crash on 7

oh wait hold on, whatever the crash here is is unrelated, I just crashed from playing a regular 5 flush

wait a sec... I think something might be up with talisman

ooooh, ok, the settings changed in this update

ok, yeah, something is really up, I'm getting naninf so easily, even with that setting turned back on

[celest tinsel]

OP BUILD

[cold sandal]

Did you make sure to restart the game? iirc turning that on requires a restart.

[trail laurel]

naneinf feels WAY to easy to reach
I've never even seen it before today
even the skip I have enabled Isn't seeming right

[trail laurel]

I've restarted a couple times now do to crashes

is there a way to check the update version of a specific mod? I want to check talisman because it's possible I may have missed installing the new version of that

[cold sandal]

Shows on the crash screen

[trail laurel]

is 1.2.2 the right version?

[cold sandal]

idk

There might be something incompatible with another mod you have installed

that'd be my only guess

[cold sandal]

Really cursed Joker idea(s):

Threading Joker:
Set hands to 1 when blind is selected. Gains x1.5 Final Score for each hand lost this way (Starts at 1x). Resets at end of round.

Seeking Joker:
Repeat hand types do not score. Gains x1.5 Final Score for each repeat hand type played (Starts at 1x). Resets at end of round.

Speaking Joker:
Any hand type except for the first one played will not score. Gains x1.5 Final Score for each hand type played that isn't the same as the first hand type (Starts at 1x). Resets at end of round.

There will definitely be more

Coming soon

But those were the first 3 I thought of

[clear hare]

Not the first time someone noticed this

Do you have a savefile so I can test this when I get back home from vacation?