Daily Discussion #1 - Edition Ideas Brainstorm

[river tapir]

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The first daily discussion!

It's a "brainstorm", but it's just for fun, not necessarily for any practical purpose, unless you want to count modding in the future.

What kinds of ideas do you have surrounding Editions - Jokers or otherwise?
How much room to we have to create mechanics that interact with Editions?
What about expanding playing card editions as well as Joker editions?
Are there more card Editions in real life (or digital card games) we can use and take inspiration from?

Optional reading - other posts about Edition ideas:
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1156369328309018665
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1156647095923654766
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1159588097625952286
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1172692026538590238
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1177402895134625862
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1194733492555231303
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1194874637365039124
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1188884607517589554
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1179888718996324573
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1177442906315956274
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1174830160579657869
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1174170771761926274
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1186484532552159314
#🎨・fan-art message
(did i overdo this? whatever, feedback will help me figure out how to handle this part in the future)

[limpid chasm]

add the vintage edition in there too, its too good of an idea to leave out

[upbeat python]

maybe an economy related edition that gives money or something?

[river tapir]

it's the 4th one

[distant jay]

joining thread

[buoyant shard]

🧵

[viscid rock]

oh hey my post is on here

[upbeat python]

im surprised i havent thought about an econ edition

[limpid chasm]

yeah i feel like we need econ edition

[desert trench]

I think a card-only edition would be cool, since there is a non-card edition (Negative)

[narrow acorn]

Same (yippee(

[narrow acorn]

But like what would that be

Glorified golden?

[upbeat python]

that's the thing

idk

[distant jay]

gold foil

[narrow acorn]

You can't make an edition that's literally "bad golden joker"

[river tapir]

lol

[limpid chasm]

holo is just glorified jimbo

[river tapir]

foil is bad ice cream

[narrow acorn]

But it's better

Jk

Anyways

[distant jay]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[narrow acorn]

Maybe so

[limpid chasm]

why not

[distant jay]

i think its fine to have editions that are similar to jokers

[narrow acorn]

I lied

[buoyant shard]

There's an edition that's "better Banana" and "better (unconditional) Blackboard"

[narrow acorn]

Maybe you can

[limpid chasm]

$5 each round, same rarity as holo???

maybe poly

[narrow acorn]

$5 is pushing it

[livid oracle]

Many people have though of gum

[river tapir]

i could see it begging the question of if the edition is actually good to have

[livid oracle]

or staples

[narrow acorn]

Pink seal

[livid oracle]

is pink seal confirmed?

[upbeat python]

retrigger strategy can cause people to bank money for days

[desert trench]

A “pinned” edition for cards - show up in hand at beginning of round

[narrow acorn]

It is balanced in pricing and ability?

[livid oracle]

already a voucher

[narrow acorn]

I think that's the question

[livid oracle]

magnet

[river tapir]

i mean design-wise, not balance-wise

[limpid chasm]

retrigger strat?

[desert trench]

cool

[narrow acorn]

Whoopirs

[upbeat python]

dusk sock and buskin etc. jokers

[river tapir]

i think the 4 existing editions providing raw power might be a good frame of reference. either you get points directly, or have room for another joker which gets more points

[narrow acorn]

Maybe just an ability that retriggers the editioned joker

[limpid chasm]

its every round tho

[river tapir]

is that the best way to handle editions, to lean into raw power?

[narrow acorn]

Like red seal

[limpid chasm]

like at the end

[distant jay]

+1 hand edition?

[upbeat python]

oh then that's something else, mb then

[livid oracle]

• 1 hand/discard could be cool

[narrow acorn]

Perhaps

[viscid rock]

maybe a when drawn effect for a card-only edition?

[livid oracle]

cause not only can you search more but money

[narrow acorn]

Maybe more like voucher ideas?

[buoyant shard]

Room for another Joker also means more room for econ later into the game. Also having an edition on an econ Joker does the same, allows you to hold onto it for longer before inevitably selling it for a scoring Joker.

Having a money-making edition on a mid-tier scoring Joker means you hold onto that one because it's providing more than one Joker slot worth of value, in various flavors.

[river tapir]

something i don't like about the potential econ edition is that it's okay to toss it later most of the time, whereas the other editions have a real power sacrifice attached when getting rid of it

[narrow acorn]

Yeah

+chip/mult/joker slots/Xmult is always handu

[river tapir]

drspectred posted slightly before i was done so they covered it a bit

[livid oracle]

Double numbers on joker edition?

[distant jay]

i would definitely like to see a joker or two that interact with editions in some way

[buoyant shard]

Foil and Holo are pretty weak. You're not giving up much. Except Poly is always buy, never sell. Which makes it kind of broing imo

[narrow acorn]

I keep holo sometimes

It's strong

[livid oracle]

holo great early bud\

especially on econ

[river tapir]

holo has definitely felt somewhat strong to me on top of a scoring joker

[narrow acorn]

Anything edition on a early game econ joker is a must take

[desert trench]

Shiny Joker

X1.5 Mult, +X0.5 Mult per Joker edition

[river tapir]

foil is a bit weak for sure

[distant jay]

cool idea!

[buoyant shard]

Passes the Crayon Test

[livid oracle]

Id say to weak to some things weve seen but cool idea

[river tapir]

i remember when playing card was suggested to have interactions with editions

[narrow acorn]

Maybe something with connecting 2 cards with editions together

[river tapir]

then it became Uncommon Counter Joker (which is still cool)

[desert trench]

I don’t mention card editions because they can be duplicated more easily

[narrow acorn]

Card editions so brr

[desert trench]

So someone can make a build with like X10 mult with a joker like that

[narrow acorn]

Meh

The thing is negative scaling

The thing local hates

[buoyant shard]

Could probably up the numbers to bring it in line with Baseball Card.
Editions are harder to obtain than Uncommons

[livid oracle]

like unlesss OA6's Id expect max of like 2 shinies

[narrow acorn]

Hone is coping

[distant jay]

how about one:
At the end of each ante, give a random joker a random edition

[desert trench]

Perhaps X2, +X1 (or +X0.5 but count editions on playing cards)

[river tapir]

a little too straightforward i'd say

[livid oracle]

food joker that gets a random editioned applied for x blinds?

[narrow acorn]

Mhm, 2 uncommon would be stronger than 1 edition (x2.2.5 to x2)

[limpid chasm]

x2 base is too high

imo

[narrow acorn]

You'd had to make it x0.1 for balancing

We don't want another hittheroad

[buoyant shard]

Counting Editions on Jokers AND Cards is way more interesting but fails the "two effects" test and possibly the Crayon Test

[narrow acorn]

Okay qait

Remember that one convo about 2 card editions sharing each other's abikity

What about that, but joker editions?

[desert trench]

I think X1 mult, +X1 mult for each Joker with an Edition pretty much works
Same scaling as Stencil but with editions instead of empty slots

[livid oracle]

What about a 🦭 that gives the card a random edition on use (unless already has an edition on it)

[narrow acorn]

Ew rng

[desert trench]

one-time use seal basically

[limpid chasm]

rng???

[livid oracle]

fair

[narrow acorn]

Jk rng is fine

[distant jay]

hmm maybe a food joker could give edition/s so that you can't get editions on every single one

[limpid chasm]

isnt that one of the games core mechanics

[narrow acorn]

Food jonklers tend to be able to die

[narrow acorn]

No

[river tapir]

no there's no rng in balatro

[desert trench]

A Joker with like 1 in 5 chance for played cards to gain a random edition is a similar idea that could work

[limpid chasm]

i mean the mechanics are based on that

[desert trench]

Everything is deterministic

[livid oracle]

1/5 maybe to strong

[river tapir]

1/10 and maybe

[narrow acorn]

No

[limpid chasm]

packs?

[narrow acorn]

Jk

[distant jay]

retrigger synergy 😋

[livid oracle]

not how that works

[narrow acorn]

They have a deterministic path

[desert trench]

It’s not random, it’s pseudorandom

[river tapir]

has existential crisis for the 30th time about pseudorandomness

[livid oracle]

iirc

[limpid chasm]

everything is pseudorandom

[narrow acorn]

NOOOOOOO

sorry

Anyways

[river thorn]

I just read this entire covo and im still a little confused

[robust ibex]

If you play unseeded it's identical to rng

[livid oracle]

localthunk has joined the chat

everyone scatter!

/j

[distant jay]

Starfruit
Gives another a joker a random edition at the end of this ante, then is destroyed

[limpid chasm]

too weak

[buoyant shard]

Thunk has a track record of dropping leaks to spice up debate

[limpid chasm]

imagine holding it for foil

[livid oracle]

savescumming be like

[limpid chasm]

💀

[limpid chasm]

its not unseeded technically

[desert trench]

Related to this chat, a joker that synergizes with editions would be really cool for full game

[river thorn]

saves what now

[distant jay]

if you get it after the big blind, you only hold it for 1 round

[desert trench]

Didn’t thunk say he was going to nerf savescumming?

[limpid chasm]

fair

[river tapir]

"this joker always spawns with an edition" could 100% be pants' effect

[livid oracle]

I dont pay attention

[narrow acorn]

I'd rather not with more self destruct jonklers

Maybe 3 editions then dies

[limpid chasm]

food jokers are meant to self destruct, or be destroyed

[buoyant shard]

Pants clearly cares about pears

[river thorn]

so more self destruct jonklers

[distant jay]

temporary jokers are fun

[limpid chasm]

same thing might happen with noods

[narrow acorn]

I know, but I meant like, instant destruction after 1 specific thing

[desert trench]

#1177444730653655093 message

[river thorn]

so more invis then mr bones

[narrow acorn]

The food jonklers last a little long before dying (unless your a banana)

[narrow acorn]

More invisible and mr bones ig, both die after 1 trigger

[distant jay]

diet cola is one-time-use

[narrow acorn]

Forgor it's ability ngl

[distant jay]

sell it and gain a double tag

[narrow acorn]

Right

Uh

[river thorn]

i'd drink the diet cola regardless of effect ngl

[narrow acorn]

Exception ig

Idfk

It's localthunks gams

[livid oracle]

lol

[narrow acorn]

Anyways editions

We have, +chip mult Xmult and joker slot

Hand size maybe?

[river thorn]

uhhhhhh retrigger adjcent jokers

[narrow acorn]

Instead of +1 hand/discard

[livid oracle]

What about gum edition?

or like

[narrow acorn]

Stop.

[desert trench]

Slap negative onto a playing card

[livid oracle]

you know inscryption with the mushroom people

what about that with jonklers

[river tapir]

pink seal returneth

[river thorn]

hear me out, ouroboros edition

[livid oracle]

but what does it do

[river thorn]

ouroborus in inscryption gain more stats when it died

[river tapir]

and what does it look like

[buoyant shard]

I was against it before, but now that we have wax seals, I'm into have a piece of gum

[river tapir]

lmao

[desert trench]

What about an edition where a joker is still in its wrapper

[distant jay]

sleeved

hm

[upbeat python]

hmm

[river tapir]

sad unused edition

[livid oracle]

If you prefer staples than gum than sure

[buoyant shard]

you beat me to it

[distant jay]

sell value = buy value

because its still as-new :)

[livid oracle]

Wait

[upbeat python]

that makes sense

[livid oracle]

What if you had a card edition that made it so it had a chance to spawn in shop

so you can get more of them

[upbeat python]

i’ll return this nice packaged joker 🙂

[buoyant shard]

I prefer gum over staples because it has that flavor of "it's like the thing you know, but dumb"

[desert trench]

That feels a bit too weak, maybe it could also have scaling like Egg but weaker (Sleeved)

[distant jay]

could be per-ante instead of round

[narrow acorn]

The entire game is a joker

[livid oracle]

thoughts?

[river tapir]

dna but weird

[livid oracle]

yeah

[desert trench]

Ringmaster

[livid oracle]

and its an edition

[river tapir]

playing card, not joker

[livid oracle]

not jokers but playing cards

[river thorn]

an edition that whitewhales lol

[distant jay]

i think editions should be simpler

[narrow acorn]

The thing with the ringmaster ess edition is

[distant jay]

more in line with stat buffs

[narrow acorn]

It's useless after a while

[buoyant shard]

It's called "Limited Edition" but presented as a card sleeve
Increases sell value. Maybe scales, maybe doesn't

[narrow acorn]

Ye

[desert trench]

Enhanced Tag

[livid oracle]

the thing is this idea scales

[robust ibex]

counterfeit edition - this card may still appear in shops

[river tapir]

btw guys if you haven't seen the bottom post i linked in the original thread message, you should 100% go look at that now

[narrow acorn]

But after a little bit, it becomes useless

[river thorn]

whitewhale edition lets go

[desert trench]

It has like graffiti on it

[robust ibex]

ditto eyes

[river tapir]

#🎨・fan-art message

[livid oracle]

WW in the corner

[river thorn]

what if it says jonkler instead of joker on the sides

[desert trench]

It says JOKE instead of JOKER

[narrow acorn]

W

[buoyant shard]

Need Wavy Edition

[narrow acorn]

W FOR JONKLER

[upbeat python]

i imagine it to be slightly miscoloured (wrong ink palette) and a different texture

[narrow acorn]

Need straight edition

Rotated edition

[distant jay]

ooh yeah a hue shift would be swag

[livid oracle]

mm hm

[river tapir]

"omg this joker is upside down! i'll make a fortune!"

[desert trench]

as a shader this would work really well

[narrow acorn]

Lma9

[desert trench]

The other idea would require texture changes

[river thorn]

hue shift + jonkler

[river tapir]

jonkler edition?

[narrow acorn]

I imagine a slight red or blue tint

Idk why

[distant jay]

the jonkler should look like a regular jimbo but chunched

[narrow acorn]

The mystery edition

Retrigger joker but you have no idea what it is

[limpid chasm]

we need jonkler

[livid oracle]

It should be the balatro universe version of bitcoin counterfiet

[narrow acorn]

Jonkler superiority

I really want jonkler to look like that whinny the poo meme

[river thorn]

balatrocoin

[livid oracle]

ya lost me on that one

[narrow acorn]

Me?

[livid oracle]

yep

[narrow acorn]

This

I expect jobkler too look like the bottom pooh

[livid oracle]

thats not the normal winnie the pooh meme LOL

[river tapir]

it's an extension

the DLC

[narrow acorn]

Mhm

[distant jay]

"limited edition" joker that looks like regular jimbo but with a fancy background and is guaranteed to spawn with an edition

[narrow acorn]

Delious last course

[livid oracle]

DLC winnie the poo meme edition

[robust ibex]

Any words in the 'foil, holographic, polychrome' vein?

[narrow acorn]

Negative

No pun intended

[livid oracle]

I dont know how those words are connected except for balatro

[river thorn]

Positive be like

[stray verge]

fullart

[narrow acorn]

Foil makes me think metal

[upbeat python]

foil and holographic seemed under appreciated due to polychrome

[narrow acorn]

Polychrome makes me think rainbows

[buoyant shard]

https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/Every-Foil-Type-in-Magic-The-Gathering-2023-Confetti-Surge-and-More/31327f95-2cf1-49de-8aeb-a8214547944a/

[river thorn]

Negative makes me think of blue skin

[stray verge]

etched is good

[buoyant shard]

"Gilded"

[river tapir]

i just remembered one that i don't think i covered

[narrow acorn]

yippee im on my laptop now

(no one needed to know that)

[river tapir]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1186484532552159314

[distant jay]

thats a good one

[desert trench]

ChatGPT pulled out “Iridescent”

[narrow acorn]

what about "lined"

not sure

[robust ibex]

I've had an idea for a lenticular joker for a while now - possible for a future joker

[river tapir]

cool

[upbeat python]

gold etched from the article looks cool

[narrow acorn]

flexible edition

[distant jay]

"neon" is a bit different but could be cool

[robust ibex]

Iridescent/holographic/opalescent are visually all very similar effects

[narrow acorn]

the animation is just the joker flopping around

[narrow acorn]

#1192307456437653544 (cough cough)

[livid oracle]

Kaliedoscopic?

[upbeat python]

wild idea: fabric

[robust ibex]

Gilded is fun

[river thorn]

Kaleidoscopic edition

[stray verge]

quilted

[livid oracle]

yeah

[stray verge]

they get a cute lil blanket on them

[robust ibex]

I could make a shader for everything to appear gold and shiny

[stray verge]

no impact, the joker is just a little comfier

[distant jay]

gilded golden ticket :)

[river thorn]

the blanket will be togglable

[narrow acorn]

wut woah

[narrow acorn]

leave jimbo the gold

[distant jay]

gilded would be really thematic for a money edition

[narrow acorn]

evil

[desert trench]

I told ChatGPT to do something different and it said “Chameleon” 💀

[livid oracle]

LOL

[desert trench]

A camouflaged joker would be cool though

[upbeat python]

24k 24k gold golden ticket

[livid oracle]

Chatgpt sometimes

[narrow acorn]

might be worth making it the gold enhancmenet?

[stray verge]

shifting

[narrow acorn]

invisible enhancement

turns the joker into phantom joker

it does

nothing

[river tapir]

the emperor's new clothes taught me that invisible valuables are the best valuables

[narrow acorn]

lol

[livid oracle]

lol

[narrow acorn]

actually tho

a "transparent"

[distant jay]

which two tarot did he spawn

[narrow acorn]

edition could fit

[desert trench]

Maybe “Chromatic”?

[buoyant shard]

I want a name for an edition that looks like polychrome but the "color" is only on sporadically placed four-pointed stars.
Maybe has wavy foil/colored lines over the card, too.
Galaxy themed

[narrow acorn]

polychromatic?

[river tapir]

fool and judgment

[distant jay]

nice

[desert trench]

Astral

[buoyant shard]

Astral Edition 🤔

[narrow acorn]

banana edition

[viscid rock]

banana edition

[narrow acorn]

+30 mult but 1/6 chance to die

[desert trench]

1 in 4 chance to be destroyed, stronger version reappears next shop

[narrow acorn]

lol

[distant jay]

the "vintage" edition idea was pretty cool

[viscid rock]

what was that one?

[livid oracle]

turgescent joker ediition would be funny

[narrow acorn]

Greyscale edition

[distant jay]

#1172692026538590238 message

[viscid rock]

Monochrome sounds cooler

[stray verge]

gains the ability it had in beta

[upbeat python]

photocopied version

[narrow acorn]

hell yeah

[buoyant shard]

As a mathologist, I think it'd be funny for Wheel of Fortune to say "random non-Negative Edition"

[robust ibex]

I can't stop thinking about a lenticular joker - it would look so cool

[narrow acorn]

throwback is sobbing rn

[stray verge]

xerox joker - everything is kind of scuffed

[distant jay]

lenticular would go hard

[robust ibex]

as you mouse over it the joker changes perspective

[river tapir]

jimbo ----> scary face

[distant jay]

lenticular could work as an edition that combines 2 jokers into one (so negative but worse lmao)

[livid oracle]

putrescent

[distant jay]

i think i like a dedicated lenticular joker slightly better than lenticular edition

[narrow acorn]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm #📜・bugs-old message

i know its not lenticular

[livid oracle]

putrescent could be a cool negative edition effect

[narrow acorn]

dw

[robust ibex]

I would make lenticular a Joker by itself and make art for multiple perspectives on the normal Joker from left to right like normal lenticular perspective

[distant jay]

that would look sick

[narrow acorn]

would be nice

[robust ibex]

it's be so fun to mouse over

[upbeat python]

people: woahhhhh

[stray verge]

deck users inconsolable

[buoyant shard]

As we consider Editions, I also want this to remain a possibility: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1194494372083937321
(Blueprint Edition of card its copying. Also, Brainstorm "outline" Edition if possible)

[robust ibex]

You can mouse over on the deck!

[livid oracle]

the 0 replies

[robust ibex]

right thumbstick

[narrow acorn]

halting all urge to say "its wulzy"

[tiny cove]

Collector's edition: Sell value double after defeating a Boss Blind.

[stray verge]

hmm im not sure about that

give me a key i'll test it

[river tapir]

ooh, what about "concept art" edition

like a sketch or smth

[viscid rock]

brainstorm

[narrow acorn]

i made joker sketch a while

just brainstorm

but bad

[river tapir]

oh right brainstorm's design is literally that

[livid oracle]

Toddler edition

makes the joker younger

[river tapir]

concept art for the concept art

[narrow acorn]

baby jonkler

[buoyant shard]

Crayon Edition

[distant jay]

if there's ever a crayon joker its gotta have the most complicated effect in the game

[narrow acorn]

#🎨・fan-art message here is my "joker skecth" (because selfless plug is funny)

[stray verge]

anime edition where every joker is meticulously redrawn in anime style and doesn't fit in at all with the rest of the game

[buoyant shard]

Anyway, whatever Edition, we need to be able to apply it procedurally as a filter (with some manual tweaking only as necessary)

[narrow acorn]

it should also be "reletively" simple

not as big conern tho

[livid oracle]

Baby joker - Chews on the first card in a played hand. Then spits it out after you draw cards.

[river tapir]

monochrome edition?

[narrow acorn]

disgustang

unironically, maybe a disadvantaging edition?

although probably not

[robust ibex]

eternal

[livid oracle]

putrescent I feel like could be a cool disadvantaging edition

[distant jay]

eternal is a seal, silly

[livid oracle]

like oposite of eternal

[stray verge]

photocopy edition loses value each round

[narrow acorn]

Frozen joker

[viscid rock]

what even is eternal

[narrow acorn]

and its just in an ice cube

[distant jay]

joker cant be sold or destroyed

[viscid rock]

no like

[livid oracle]

putrescent edition - destroys at the end of ante

[desert trench]

♾️

[viscid rock]

is it an edition? seal? enhancement???

[distant jay]

its technically its own thing

[livid oracle]

seal

[viscid rock]

or its own thing

[distant jay]

but it looks like a seal

[livid oracle]

I think

Its a joker seal looking thing

[buoyant shard]

If we add "bad" Editions, we lose the possibly of Wheel of Fortune saying "random non-Negative Edition"

[narrow acorn]

Frozen edition: stops joker from scoring, dethaws after 5 rounds, doubles joker effect once dethawed

now that means you have to play to see if you can get the edition to pay off

[upbeat python]

way longer compared to “+30 chips”

[livid oracle]

I mean it already doesnt include negative

[narrow acorn]

whatever

simplicity isnt a option

[robust ibex]

yoooooooo I can do this in a shader: embossed edition (slight 3d effect)

[narrow acorn]

the powercreep is too strong

[distant jay]

i love emboss effects

[livid oracle]

YES

[distant jay]

what would that DO though

[stray verge]

i'm a (power)creep. i'm a shader.

• thom yorke

[buoyant shard]

Yeah. We want to be able to add new positive editions without adding a new keyword to Wheel text which is already long

[narrow acorn]

what

[desert trench]

Embossed Edition: +1 hand

[robust ibex]

+1 hand size i
dunno

[livid oracle]

^

LOL

same brains

[narrow acorn]

1/5 chance for a positive edition to be place on target joker

[buoyant shard]

not hand size

[narrow acorn]

hand size is more fitting imo

[distant jay]

i like +1 hand size

[tiny cove]

Second-hand edition: +1 discard

[buoyant shard]

"positive" isn't defined but "non-Negative" is

[livid oracle]

hand size seems weak imo?

[narrow acorn]

true

[distant jay]

so is +30 chips

[livid oracle]

fair

fair

[river tapir]

hand size is on only 3 jokers for a reason

[narrow acorn]

if we make it +2 hand size it becomes S teir

what are you on

[desert trench]

It’s huge

[upbeat python]

embossed old juggler:

[livid oracle]

I mean

[narrow acorn]

what about a glitched edition?

its like a mini misprint?

[distant jay]

embossed troubador

[livid oracle]

at most Id expect to get 1 of these editions

[river tapir]

i think hand size does something specifically powerful that changes how the game is played

by making your hands a lot more consistent

[livid oracle]

Ig it depends on the build

[narrow acorn]

mm

[desert trench]

X1.0-2.0 mult, randomly distributed

[river tapir]

foil/holo/poly gives you more power but doesn't affect gameplay to that level

[livid oracle]

Ok Im down with + hand size

[narrow acorn]

that, or randomly trigger foil/holo/poly

[buoyant shard]

If "Hand Size Edition" is as rare as Polychrome and Negative, it could be fine?

[river tapir]

perhaps?

[narrow acorn]

sure

i mean, 9 hand size is a chonker

[livid oracle]

I feel like hand size is like the mid point of negative rarity and holo rarity

[viscid rock]

i think between holographic and poly in rarity

[narrow acorn]

maybe inbetween holo/poly

yeah

[livid oracle]

maybe make it less expensive but rarer?

[viscid rock]

because 1.5x mult > 1 hand size

[narrow acorn]

possibly, +7/8?

for cost

[buoyant shard]

+1 Hand Size > Negative imo

[livid oracle]

fair

[narrow acorn]

Pants edition: 98% cxhance to show up, increase joker cost by 300% (does nothing except some pants)

[distant jay]

you are the 800 hour andy though

i say this with love

[tiny cove]

Coupon edition: +1 free reroll

[livid oracle]

hand size is very consistent between builds

[buoyant shard]

I speak from experience

also, hey
only 300 of those hours are unseeded

[livid oracle]

lol

[narrow acorn]

anyways

think imma hit the sack for todayu

[livid oracle]

bud thats the amount of hours I have

[narrow acorn]

bye bye people of the balatro

[livid oracle]

same

I love embossed idea though

[upbeat python]

bye bye

[livid oracle]

3d art would be sick as heck

[desert trench]

Discord wants me to leave too, it just crashed

[narrow acorn]

im actually gunna talk in roblox vc's but you dont need to know that

[livid oracle]

bye bye till tablet

[distant jay]

hmm so how do we make a joker that gives edition/s in a fun and balanced way

[viscid rock]

when sold, every joker and card gets a random edition

(trust)

[buoyant shard]

Two Face 👺

[river tapir]

hue

[viscid rock]

hue

[distant jay]

i feel thats maybe, possibly, just perhaps a bit strong

[distant jay]

ooh yeah thats a good idea, the people who came up with that one should get awards

[stray verge]

need more negative editions

edit to be clear i mean negative impact not negative edition

[viscid rock]

nah it's balanced

[buoyant shard]

Whatever new Edition, I'm not sure I want it to be too special.
I like that Polychrome and Negative makes people geek out

[robust ibex]

X Chips

[buoyant shard]

Back to the salt mines for this one

[viscid rock]

abroadthunk when

[river tapir]

this is just random words but
mystery edition

[distant jay]

we've shipped enough that they made it all the way around the world and back

[viscid rock]

local cannot leave the boat

[buoyant shard]

If there was a feature which offered Mystery Edition
I would assume it was Random Edition
and I would be wrong

[river tapir]

the tooltip says what the edition means

[buoyant shard]

after you obtain it

[river tapir]

it doesn't show beforehand?

[buoyant shard]

Does Wheel?

[river tapir]

@ localthunk fix pls

huh?

[distant jay]

wheel does

i rember

[buoyant shard]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[distant jay]

the triple tooltip combob

[buoyant shard]

I can recall seeing that on Aura as well

[robust ibex]

both have the triple

[buoyant shard]

I would like to see one more Edition but not more than two more Editions.
Pick your babies

[stray verge]

I want seven more editions

[distant jay]

new editions would potentially make that a quadruple or a quintuple

[stray verge]

I want an unsolvable problem space

[viscid rock]

fifteen more editions

[distant jay]

which is silly

[buoyant shard]

Think of the onboarding tho

Don't smite me at the cost of the Children

[river tapir]

think of the mods tho

[stray verge]

not just the men but the women and the children

[distant jay]

i'd be happy with 1 or 2 new editions for full release or post release

but i would definitely want one or two edition synergy jokers

[robust ibex]

hol up I didn't bring this topic up

[viscid rock]

yes you did

[stray verge]

yes, you should release the balatro character creator

[distant jay]

its ok lol its just fun to talk about

[buoyant shard]

Would love the opportunity to pick "hats" for Jimbo, themed after the Jokers you've gotten the collection sticker for

[sweet tangle]

Idea
Unreliable: 1 in 4 chance not to activate

[distant jay]

that has issues with passive effects

[sweet tangle]

It could maybe just have a chance to deactivate at the start of a blind

[river tapir]

mimic edition

it has a joker's eyes and smile in the middle, with the card scrunched around them a little

[distant jay]

it eats your cards

and then, you

[narrow acorn]

baltro horror

[lethal torrent]

How about a testmode? Where you can pick any hand and any joker combination to test out the scoring output?

[buoyant shard]

Not sure how it relates to Editions, but yeah. That's an idea that's been pitched already.

I don't expect it'll come bundled with the 1.0 release (if ever). You'll need to add a new interface for that. Menus to select Jokers and Editions and such.

[distant jay]

and UI is the worst part of gamedev 😔

[buoyant shard]

Words from the man himself

Additionally, I think such a feature would take away from playing the game

[narrow acorn]

good thing modders exist

[buoyant shard]

Definitely going to be a mod that exists

[livid oracle]

lol

[narrow acorn]

if i knew what and how to use love, i would be a person to mod alot for balatro

probablyt can't be that hard

[buoyant shard]

never to late to learn

[livid oracle]

I mean math edited save files to do that for the hand dup vid

[narrow acorn]

learnt C++ in like a monthish

and python in less

[livid oracle]

where they got the 50+ digit number

[distant jay]

ill be impressed when even saying how many digits the number has needs to be expressed in scientific notation

[livid oracle]

wont happen cause integer limit 😭

unless you wannt say 3 x 10^2

[narrow acorn]

what is integer limit

isnt it 64-bit

[livid oracle]

its like 2^1024?

its google calculator limit

around 10^303?

[distant jay]

1.79e308

[livid oracle]

I was close

[desert trench]

1.79e3.08e2

[distant jay]

shrimply implement break_infinity.js in balatro

[livid oracle]

2e2e2 is a lot

[narrow acorn]

2 tetrated?

thats 16

[livid oracle]

new word unlocked

[narrow acorn]

3 tetrated

however

is 9 trillion

[livid oracle]

wow

[narrow acorn]

4 tetrated

[livid oracle]

thats it?

[narrow acorn]

is too big that im not going to talk about it

scorry

i forgot

[river tapir]

he forgor 💀

[livid oracle]

wouldnt 2e2e2 be like a lot more than 16?

[narrow acorn]

idk

[livid oracle]

or do I not know how e works

[narrow acorn]

tetration starts at the top

thats how exponets work

your saying 2^(2^2)

[distant jay]

e isnt ^

[livid oracle]

cause wouldnt it be 2x10^(2x10^2?)

[narrow acorn]

oh wait

sorry

im dumb

i forgor

my math doesnt math

[distant jay]

anyway back to editions

[livid oracle]

anyways back to my book

Im past 50% so yay

[buoyant shard]

Jokers are easy because any Joker is "just another one"
Editions are hard because there are so few to begin with

[distant jay]

and they have to interface well with all of those jokers

[buoyant shard]

I liked Gilded because it was

1. Simple in function
2. "Implementable" as a postproduction filter

[distant jay]

i like gilded for the same reasons

[desert trench]

2^^2 = 2^2
3^^3 = 3^(3^3) = 3^27 ~ 7 trillion
4^^4 = 4^[4^(4^4)] = 4^(4^256) has 8e153 digits

[river tapir]

4^4 = 256

hyooge

[desert trench]

oops

[distant jay]

i liked embossed, but less so than gilded thematically, it doesnt fit in with the other editions as well

[buoyant shard]

Thunk seemed to like Embossed Edition (slight 3D effect) because he already knows how to implement it.
Question for me is what Effect should go with it.

Another thing I like about Gilded, is it's so very clear that the chosen Effect and the Look go hand-in-hand.

You said the same thing with less words

[distant jay]

B)

embossed might be good for it's own joker

[river tapir]

feels like a waste to use something that could be an edition as just a joker

[distant jay]

i just feel its too different from the other editions

but id be happy for it to be the in game somehow

[buoyant shard]

Don't think of it as wasting an Edition
think of it as redeeming something that was too complicated/weird to be an Edition

[distant jay]

like with lenticular as well

[buoyant shard]

Yup, that one, too.
Too complicated for Edition.
Redeemed as a Joker

[river tapir]

embossed is a design, not an effect

nothing too complicated about it

lenticular, i could see

[buoyant shard]

Embossed could be an Edition, yeah. But I wouldn't consider it a waste if it was a Joker instead

[robust spoke]

Has +1 Hand/Discard been suggested as edition? 🤔

could have a group of 3 new editions -
+1 Hand
+1 Discard
+1 Hand size
All are kinda the same "theme"? But might be a bit too much to be in the vanilla game

[limpid chasm]

yeah that makes it too complicated

5 is a good number i think

its round-ish

[robust spoke]

I saw gilded edition suggestion, it could be something like +3$ at the end of the round

or hmm, raising sell value?

+2$ sell value at end of round or whatever

[river tapir]

egg edition

[limpid chasm]

egged

[robust spoke]

eggition

[buoyant shard]

Negative Jokers give +1 Joker Slot
Negative Consumables give +1 Consumable Slot

There could be Negative Cards, and if so, they should give +1 Hand Size while Held.
So like, as you're drawing to refill your hand, if you draw any Negatives, you just keep drawing.

In the opposite order, Gold Cards already exist but as an Enhancement instead of an Edition.
No reason there can't be both Gold Cards (Enhancement) and Gilded Cards (Edition).
Since Foil has overlap with Bonus Cards, and Holo has overlap with Mult Cards.

Is there an effect for Gilded Cards which makes sense both on Jokers and on Cards?

[tall python]

The red/blue offset "Glitch" effect could look nice, and maybe manipulate both mult and chips, since it uses both of their colors. Could otherwise add a hand/discard at random (glitching the stats), since they both also use those colors. Would need to be on draw with cards instead of on score though since changing stats while scoring could get messy with some jokers

[buoyant shard]

Not terribly interested in a "combo" Edition.
Would prefer a unique effect.

I think "+1 Hand Size" Edition could work as long as it's at the same level of scarcity as Negative and Polychrome.
And if it were the "Embossed" look Thunk was keen on, I think that would be fine.
There's nothing really flavorful about "Embossed" being tied to Hand Size.
But there's nothing really flavorful about Foil, Holo, and Polychrome having the scoring effects that they do
(other than, the coolest looking one has the strongest effect)

Not a fan of an Edition doing either + Hands or + Discards since those are handled by the Vouchers.

[tall python]

Poly also has the glass counterpart so im all for "gilded"

[tropic lark]

now what if negative cards would allow you to play hands with more than 5 cards 🤔

[buoyant shard]

Thunk is strongly against this

[river tapir]

which is why it will likely be one of the first mods

[buoyant shard]

much requested feature, yeah

[tropic lark]

I'd figure, there would be way too many hand types to account for

imagine 10oak lmao

[buoyant shard]

Negative Steel and Negative Gold cards would be pretty dang cool (strategically interesting, not just OP synergy)

[robust spoke]

My idea for editions giving hands/discards come from the fact that we have jokers affecting your hands/discards, so it does not feel completely off to me.

[robust spoke]

Money at the end of round is the only one I can think of for gilded, unless we just think of effect unrelated to money

[echo narwhal]

Negative playing cards being cards not counting towards hand size limit is a thing that was suggested a few times, and I like it, expanding negative edition to all cards.
Moreover, if you push it further, negative playing cards not counting towards "5 cards in played hand" opens up 6+ cards hand types. That could be difficult to scale them in chips X mult, but aren't we here to discuss mad things?

[buoyant shard]

#1195909575770128445 message

[robust spoke]

Should there be such restriction for edition ideas or no -

• Effect can't be "give X when triggered", because cards can be retriggered, and jokers cannot

[river tapir]

"hands with 6+ cards" is on the roster for daily discussion at somepoint

[tall python]

Gilded - base chips are added to $ instead when scored, so lose score to gain cash. Incompatible with stone, and as rare as poly. Tho idk how it would work on jkrs

[river tapir]

i can expedite when that gets discussed if people request it

[echo narwhal]

Yep, I was reminding it to see if other would be wanting to brainstorm on 6+ cards hands. 😉

[robust spoke]

Because if you do give money or tarot or spectral or celestial cards, then having edition on cards and the duping cards makes it go crazy, while on joker it only triggers once 🤔

[buoyant shard]

Not strictly necessary that Editions be valid on both Cards and Jokers. But it would be pretty neat when possible

[river tapir]

negative playing cards are a unique enough method of increasing hand size that i would be happy to have them

although i think that may be another reason to not have a hand size joker edition - redundancy

[robust spoke]

Crazy idea: Anaglyph edition - retrigger card (although we already have retrigger seal, so might be eh)

[buoyant shard]

"Goes crazy" gets people excited. I see Negative Steel as the complement to Poly Glass, with the Highest Scoring runs wanting both, not just one. Higher ceiling which is also harder to reach is exciting for players

[river tapir]

oh neat parallel there

[buoyant shard]

Wouldn't want to step on the toes of Seals which so far have wildly unique effects such as "gain Tarot when discarded."

[robust spoke]

shrug, I might be a bit against negative card edition, because then theres no downside to making more cards, and it just goes mad crazy the more you do. Blueprint + dna on negative steel cards is just too broken

[buoyant shard]

Fair

You get rapidly diminishing returns on Poly Glass

[robust spoke]

Maybe if making card negative gives you -2 joker slots, then I'd think on it

or something as severe

[tall python]

Could seals not have their own type? Feels wierd having 2 enhancements

[buoyant shard]

They do?

[robust spoke]

you still have the part that negative cards allow you to not care about ecto downside

[limpid chasm]

seals aren't enchancements, they're seals

[tall python]

Oh I see, thought the wiki said otherwise

[buoyant shard]

Well, it would only provide it's benefit when drawn.

[robust spoke]

True I guess, maybe I am a bit ahead on that one

[limpid chasm]

turn your whole deck into negative

infinite ectoplasm

[echo narwhal]

I suggested a rather original darwback to negative cards (that they discard themselves without further draw with non-neg cards of same rank or suit), but think the idea sounds too complicated, and having the +1 hand size only when drawing it sounds fine unless you come up with some busted synergy.

[robust spoke]

I was already discussing that it gives +1 hand size when drawn

the permanent alternative is completely broken

[buoyant shard]

Even at "+1 Hand Size while Held," Blupid raised a very good point: #1195909575770128445 message

[echo narwhal]

Yes, that's what the end of my sentence is about, that the +1 hand size being only when you have the card in hand makes it sounds quite reasonable to me.

[limpid chasm]

card cloning would make negative too broken

[robust spoke]

Yep, there's no downsize to big deck, at all

you create new card which is already negative, so it does not affect your draw at all

[river tapir]

im sure some kind of downside could be created

the -2 joker suggestion does seem a bit extreme though

also takes away from some of the main fun of the game

[robust spoke]

I was mostly talking about the "scale" of the downside

it was not a serious suggestion

maybe, make 2 joker slots debuffed, so you can still own jokers, but 2 joker slots are permanently debuffed, so jokers down do anything

[buoyant shard]

Thing about Negative cards is it's effectively card removal (automatic redraw)
... until it's not (because dupes)

[robust spoke]

give card cannot be duped tag? 😹

[echo narwhal]

Thus, what do you think of automatic discard under some circumstances? So it's harder to keep this in hand.

[robust spoke]

or

[river tapir]

auto discard is interesting

[robust spoke]

uhm that might be hard to describe... like disallow creating new cards (dna), but allow copy (death)

[river tapir]

also multiple possible triggers for it, so it's workable

[robust spoke]

then you have 2 effects

[buoyant shard]

Auto discard now really is "card removal with extra steps"

[buoyant shard]

Disallowed on Jokers, worse on Editions/Enhancements

[echo narwhal]

I was thinking that it would trigger right after drawing, and you don't get to replace the auto discarded card.

(Entire hand drawing I mean.)

[robust spoke]

wym

I was replying to auto discard, forgot to use the reply feature

[buoyant shard]

The "2 effects" rule for Jokers?

[robust spoke]

Yeah, I feel like editions should be "super simple things", because there is only so much you can fit on the extra tooltip

so the edition itself should not have "does that but also does this when ...", the creation of it should give a downside, but the edition itself should remain simple

[buoyant shard]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. The "2 effects" rule is even more strict for Editions (and Enhancements)

You got it

[robust spoke]

We do have lucky card tho

[limpid chasm]

true

[river tapir]

here's a thought - card duplication is already kind of linear and homogenizing. could this mean it's either okay to let negative cards be duplicated, or perhaps they could be allowed if duplication methods are brought into line?

[buoyant shard]

(Lucky Cards)
An abomination
But one of Thunk's favorites gameplay-wise

[robust spoke]

lucky cards are fun, I agree

I under appreciated them in my first hours

[buoyant shard]

Same

[robust spoke]

but they do have their fun use

[limpid chasm]

on average they are way better than mult cards

[echo narwhal]

I got it, just trying to come out with some downside to +1 hand size on cards. 😉
Would this still be too long / complicated?

+1 hand size
Discards itself when a hand is played or discarded
Then you keep the negative card only 1 hand.

[buoyant shard]

Nah, worse, because they give mult

[limpid chasm]

huh

[robust spoke]

lucky cards with retrigger mechanics = money machine

mult feels like an eh effect, so you might consider taking it

[buoyant shard]

+Mult proc = round ends, thus less money machine

[limpid chasm]

thats still better than mult cards????

[buoyant shard]

Round ends is bad lol

Only money matters

[limpid chasm]

but mult cards give 0 moners

therefore that makes them worse

[buoyant shard]

Small and predictable amount that you can play around

[robust spoke]

thats correct, maybe drs misunderstood you

ah, I guess not

[unborn field]

that all depends on your other jokers, if you have no source of income you want to end round quickly. If you have 8ball or sclaing jokers ending a round early is a waste

[limpid chasm]

true

[unborn field]

Also woke up a bit late en missed a 700+ message discussion about editions

the discussion started at 3 in the night

timezones

[river tapir]

i'll see what i can do about timezones

[robust spoke]

I feel like the mult part is there so you consider taking it for the first time, if lucky was just 1 in 25 for money... you'd be like heh thats so bad

either way we went off topic

[unborn field]

i scrolled through it a bit and saw gilded and embossed being talked about, but no clear anwser for the effect.
did i miss anything else thats important?

[robust spoke]

Idk how many people is here from asia/australia part of the world, but europe's evening & america's morning should cover most of it?

[buoyant shard]

Thunk is most active in the Discord in his evening, if that's relevant

[robust spoke]

but the discussion is for the people 😭

[unborn field]

europe in shambles

[robust spoke]

:agony:

[echo narwhal]

Oh wait this makes neg steel null. Then;

+1 hand size
Discards itself before drawing
?

[river tapir]

not much deviation on gilded from what i saw, usually $ at end of round, although i think +sell value was mentioned as well

[sweet tangle]

Negative Could be +1 Hand Size, cannot be duplicated

[unborn field]

what about this:
Gilded (Increase interest cap by 20%)

[robust spoke]

it was, but that does not work on cards, so

[unborn field]

or any other percentage, but if interest voucher exist in full game it would also scale with those

[river tapir]

sell value on playing cards could instead be destruction value

[robust spoke]

lol

thats a weird one

[buoyant shard]

I think it's more fun to collect pretty cards than to delete them immediately

[robust spoke]

I dont think it's worth it, unless it's 10+$

also true

[buoyant shard]

+$ at end of round works. For Cards, you would decide if you want it to be Played, Held (like Gold already), or both

[robust spoke]

You'd need to buy the card (card/spectral packs?), then buy hanged man/glass/etc. to allow destroying card, and only after that you will be paid from card destruciton

that's around 8-12$

[echo narwhal]

Another idea that addresses duplication concerns, yes. But I like Death and DNA. 😢

[unborn field]

seems like too similar comapared to gold, wish gilded could give income/help another way

[robust spoke]

we do have mult and chip cards

foil/holo

[river tapir]

as weird as it is to just copy Devil's effect, i can still see some value in having it be identical trigger. then you can stack it on gold cards and that would feel pretty good 👍

[robust spoke]

^

also it should not be possible to retrigger gilded

[buoyant shard]

Or stacking Gilded on Steel

[robust spoke]

otherwise might be tricky to balance

[river tapir]

still not certain an income effect belongs as an edition, but

[robust spoke]

Considering editions are a bit powerful than enhancements, I'd expect gilded to be 5-6$. If you can both copy and retrigger that, isnt that too broken?

[buoyant shard]

Foil and Holo being 30 and 10 are weird when compared to Bonus and Mult cards

[unborn field]

i wasnt saying the same effect is a bad thing, just that i hoped it could give income in another way

[buoyant shard]

Shrug

[robust spoke]

Same, but it seems like there isn't any better ideas

[unborn field]

it would depend on its rarity, foil is alot more common compared to poly and negative

[river tapir]

what if gilded cards are an end-of-round income multiplier?

1.2x?

[robust spoke]

hmmm

jokers too?

[river tapir]

ye

it'd make it distinct enough from devil/golden joker

[robust spoke]

5 gilded x2 income oh boy

or wait

[river tapir]

and has higher ceilings for more rewarding stacking

[robust spoke]

not like that lmao, x2.48 from 5

[unborn field]

seems like it would be busted on cards

[river tapir]

it'd have to be held in hand at end of round trigger, same as gold cards

so max 3 unless you invest in hand size or blue seal

[unborn field]

whats that burned joker called again?

the hand size one

[robust spoke]

burnt

[river tapir]

lol

[robust spoke]

it's now nerfed tho

[unborn field]

it can give you insane hand size

[river tapir]

i think i'd be all for that if you work that hard for it

[robust spoke]

you only get 1 hand size per round

[unborn field]

even after the nerf it still seems pretty damm good

[robust spoke]

true

[unborn field]

i would say it should have comparable rarity to poly and negative

[robust spoke]

multiplier sounds fun, but might be too broken, I agree

[unborn field]

could also make it not apply to cards

so only jokers

and then just change % to balance it

[robust spoke]

1 in X chance to double interest income?

well, then you need to specify that "while this card stays in hand" for edition, no?

[river tapir]

again, if you go to all the effort of gaining large hand size to fuel an income strategy, i think you should be allowed to do it

not to mention getting lucky with that combo in the first place

[robust spoke]

I believe getting editioned cards is much easier for the full game, compared to the demo? 🤔

[tall python]

I might be way off base here but if i had a suggestion towards daily discussion it would be to focus topics more on opinions than suggestions. Like maybe " fave card art". Im not opposed to what we have now, but we neither see the vision thunk holds for baltaro nor have all the info on even the full release. Im happy to discuss improvements to the game, but leave that to when its directly asked for, and the suggestions threads. Though again i may be wrong and this is quite fun.

[buoyant shard]

"[Don't] see the vision"
Speak for yourself 😂

We've got "2 effects" rule
And "Crayon Test"

[river tapir]

as stated in the first message of the thread, the brainstorming sessions are purely meant to be for fun

not to take over design of the game, or what have you

[buoyant shard]

Only I have secret agenda. If idea is good enough, I harass Thunk until it becomes a reality

[robust spoke]

🚢

[buoyant shard]

🚢

[limpid chasm]

🚢

[river tapir]

im court martialling you

🧑‍⚖️

[buoyant shard]

Noooooo

Judge Latrato in session

[river tapir]

"your honor, league of legends"
"death"

[buoyant shard]

Understandable. Have a nice day

[echo narwhal]

Also, this can give ideas to modders (I'm starting to want to give it a try to play with some mad ideas and see how it turns).

[river tapir]

huge pointing up emoji

[robust spoke]

I was also going to bring up the modding

would be interesting to play with some of these ideas

[buoyant shard]

Despite appearances, completely unbalanced and overly complicated ideas are welcome. Mods are opt-in, afterall

[river tapir]

and broken ideas are (usually) great to try at least once

[river thorn]

timezones be timezoning

[lethal torrent]

How about a glass deck from start?

[unborn field]

i think that one has been mentioned as a possible daily challenge

[lethal torrent]

Every card is glass. Double the chance they break after played.

So the challenge now become maintaining the deck size til reaching the end, cuz with this deck reaching wins isn't gonna be a problem

[river tapir]

it was even guaranteed chance to break

2 "oops all sixes" jokers

[robust spoke]

Funny balance point for negative cards could be disabling seals/enhancements. Probably hard to explain in text, but it could fix the issue with 100x negative steel cards

Also maybe "discard when triggered"

so you can only trigger it once, any following attempts to re-trigger (joker/seal) fail

[distant jay]

That doesn’t actually matter I think- polychrome jokers activate once but polychrome cards can activate several times with retriggers

How about gilded as just +1$? It would activate the same as the first three editions, so it would work on jokers and cards both

Having a single joker with gilded like that would make you break even for playing hands, or even gain slightly extra from interest

[echo narwhal]

The more I think about an econ edition, the more this seems the simplest and least "abusable" way to do it.

[unborn field]

seems rather weak when on jokers

whatever you make it on cards the effects will always be stronger, so i guess you cant really do much about that

[echo narwhal]

4 hands, triggers 1/hand is +4$ with base 4 hands, sounds good.

[buoyant shard]

Simpsons did it
#1156142024089681930 message

[lethal torrent]

Dammit

[buoyant shard]

Y'all remember when I said something like "making your deck 100% the same suit and rank is not as trivial as you all are thinking"
and then Thunker came back the next day and was like "ok, actually he's right"?

I think with this Gilded thing y'all are being overly conservative and trying to solve a balance problem that doesn't exist. +$4 per round on Joker and if Card is Held (with "retriggrs") would not break the game. Well, not anymore than Poly Glass.

Would probably not want it to be $4 so as to not step on the toes of Golden Joker giving +$4. Maybe +$3 then. A little awkward that Gold Cards also give the same +$3 bonus. An argument could be made to change Gold Cards to +$4 anyway, leaving +$3 for Gilded. Something thematically satisfying about Golden Joker giving the same payout as Gold Cards.

Anyway, regardless of what number you pick for the payout, this is balanced against how available the Edition is. Currently, Editions on Jokers are way easier to obtain than Editions on Cards. This is one of the balance points for Polychrome Cards (vs Jokers).

[distant jay]

the only reason i dislike that idea is because of how different it is from the other editions being an on-played effect (barring negative), but i def agree on the balance

if 2 editions were added instead of just gilded, and they worked similarly, it wouldnt be an issue at all with me

idk i could just be making up problems though

[robust spoke]

I know, my concern is that polychrome on cards activates only for score, if you give money for every trigger you can easily retrigger cards, completely inflating your economy, depending on how much you get per trigger, numbers could go over $500 per round

[river tapir]

money multiplier at end of round is still an option

[robust spoke]

1$ per trigger still feels like a lot on cards, but maybe that's alright

[distant jay]

its much less than golden ticket gold cards

[buoyant shard]

You can already do this with Mime and/or Red Seal on Gold Cards
but are still limited by how many you can hold in hand

[distant jay]

this seems like a cool unique idea

[livid oracle]

^

[robust spoke]

fair point I guess, but you do need an extra joker for that

[distant jay]

true

[robust spoke]

also, I don't think because 1 broken money printing machine exists, we need another

I start thinking that increased reroll cost scaling after like 10 rerolls might be necessary for such cases, lol

to force player into considering rerolling across multiple rounds, and not just go in before last boss

and to burn through insane amounts of cash u can get from golden ticket

[robust spoke]

True, but I was calculating for playing like 4 hands with red seal on them. Add burglar and vouchers, that's x3 at least

with 1500$ per round, you can probably find all jokers as negative, lol

[distant jay]

the more i think about it, the more i like the X1.2 ending cash, despite my reservations with an edition that has a held-in-hand effect

just seems really interesting

[robust spoke]

I feel like golden ticket + retrigger stuff + bp + burglar would the best way to start infinite, just from the amounts of money you can get. It would be super boring to burn through all that cash though