⚙・modding-general

[keen knoll]

but i dont ubderstand how to do it

[eternal portal]

do you know what a line is

[keen knoll]

umyea

[frigid mica]

GRRRRRR

[eternal portal]

good job, next lesson another time

[wanton lintel]

i lost in the harbor freight ad before the video :[

[keen knoll]

what

[fiery vapor]

I love it when discord doesn't send the messages

[frigid mica]

I’m about to lose it.

[keen knoll]

what

[humble rampart]

piss mario

[frigid mica]

Is cass FINALLY asleep?

[frigid mica]

RONG

[fiery vapor]

like for example an edition that would cool to have is like a bar line thingy like a flat crt filter for the card

mass effect

no way nirvana reference

[frigid mica]

HIS NAME IS

GOLDEN SIGMA

[humble rampart]

how is anyone dissalowing csss to sleep i dont get it

[keen knoll]

yyea

[eternal portal]

you wont get rid of me that easily

[frigid mica]

What? No, like, you need to rest, right?

[fiery vapor]

okay so what you COULD do is learn is like

[eternal portal]

yeah

[forest knoll]

it'll be significantly easier to help you if you have a goal in mind, so that you can start by learning what you need for that goal instead of just trying to learn everything at once

[humble rampart]

this is on you if you're still here

[fiery vapor]

okay geometrically its horizontal lines

[keen knoll]

ok,

[humble rampart]

like not the other shit maybe

just from here on

[fiery vapor]

you could also look at the crt filter too

[eternal portal]

sorry i did a couple lines

[fiery vapor]

tweak it around

[eternal portal]

oh im tweaking alright

[keen knoll]

tthe what

[humble rampart]

cocaine -> discord

[fiery vapor]

okay

[humble rampart]

true combo

[frigid mica]

Please, sleep

[fiery vapor]

candycane let me ask you a question

a geniune question

[eternal portal]

cocaine?

[fiery vapor]

did you even read the shader doc on the wiki

[humble rampart]

are you offering?

[eternal portal]

math

[keen knoll]

the what

[eternal portal]

i didnt

[frigid mica]

Crystal math…

[eternal portal]

theres a doc?

[fiery vapor]

that answers anything

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/SMODS.Edition

[eternal portal]

oh, that

i dont do that

[fiery vapor]

it tells you can you look at the smod examples and extract the balatro exe to get the shaders from there to mess around with

[eternal portal]

just lazy basic shit

with lines

[fiery vapor]

you really built different

[keen knoll]

wait then i shouldnt eirher

[fiery vapor]

huh?

i mean

[eternal portal]

no you should

[fiery vapor]

its a great resource

[eternal portal]

i have no idea im doing

[keen knoll]

but u didnt

[humble rampart]

the best way to have fun in a game is to not study it

[fiery vapor]

just because someone good at it didn't use that exact resource doesn't mean you shouldn't either

[humble rampart]

sun tzu daid that

[eternal portal]

its prolly better if you do know what youre doing

[keen knoll]

but

[fiery vapor]

he did NOT say that 😡

[eternal portal]

make a candy cane shader, heres a goal

[humble rampart]

sun tzu typing in laptop speech buble reaction imahe

[eternal portal]

make a shader that puts white and red lines on the card

indonesian shader

do that

[fiery vapor]

dawg if yahi can do that so you can do candy

[keen knoll]

um,, ok-

[humble rampart]

if i make a shader im gonna make holographic look not so fucking UGLYYYTTTTT

[fiery vapor]

you could also look at the smod shaders even the ones emerel made because they are fine with you LEARNING and EXPERIMENTING with them but not USING THEM

[eternal portal]

and remember to do lines

[frigid mica]

I gotta first learn what my edition should do.

[eternal portal]

math

[frigid mica]

Or what it should look like

[keen knoll]

uh

[fiery vapor]

you could also search up like

[humble rampart]

i just wanna make an edition thats +$1

[fiery vapor]

"love2d shaders"

[humble rampart]

thas all i want

im gonna make it and not make it show up ever

[fiery vapor]

https://github.com/love2d-community/awesome-love2d?tab=readme-ov-file#shaders

[keen knoll]

what why would u ever do that

[eternal portal]

this, is also math and lines

[frigid mica]

I’m talking about why the edition exists in the first place, it’s purpose, it’s use, why you want to have that edition at all. Not just what it looks like. Also sleep bruh

[wanton lintel]

oh

[keen knoll]

geezus christ how on earth

[exotic belfry]

Minecraft

[keen knoll]

like how

[humble rampart]

LMFAO

on the fucking aseprite grind

holy shit

[eternal portal]

math

[forest knoll]

horizontal lines that randomly change color and randomly appear/disappear

[wanton lintel]

i just never close it lmao

[wanton lintel]

numbers

[keen knoll]

explain thats not just math thats insane

[forest knoll]

.

[fierce mist]

So, should I put all my joker images in one file or should I keep them split?

[keen knoll]

but.... but........

[eternal portal]

theres a lot of depth to that, but yeah its essentially just lines

[keen knoll]

explain

[eternal portal]

no

[keen knoll]

pleaseee

[forest knoll]

you can open the glitched shader in cryptid and find out

[humble rampart]

candy do you mean like, what specific lines of code in a text file translate to the math of shaders?

[worn rain]

this seems fair

[keen knoll]

i already tried that and completely crashed

[forest knoll]

wdym "completely crashed"

[fierce mist]

bump

[keen knoll]

umn mentally

[forest knoll]

reading code is an important skill unfortunately
keep at it

[keen knoll]

i dont understand a single line

[humble rampart]

so true

[frigid mica]

Hmm

[fierce mist]

bump 2

[keen knoll]

howw

[eternal portal]

this is mostly math and not lines

[forest knoll]

it's your mod, do what makes sense to you

[humble rampart]

mine is in separate but onlt because im a filthy forger

[fierce mist]

I'll unite them, then. Quality of life, and such.

[forest knoll]

the fucking n7 is back

[humble rampart]

it wants you

[eternal portal]

and this one is a lot of lines

[humble rampart]

pretty

[keen knoll]

what in gods name is that how

[fierce mist]

voronoi deck

[humble rampart]

whats it look like on transparency having jokers

[keen knoll]

how

[humble rampart]

like burnt or smth

or glass

poly burnt looks so ass

[frigid mica]

Is this mosaic

[eternal portal]

this was just a voronoi mask i used for another shader, not the final product

[keen knoll]

hhhhhyhhh

how

[humble rampart]

aw

so you dont have it no more?

[frigid mica]

LINES

[humble rampart]

sad

[frigid mica]

AND MATH

[keen knoll]

but its so colplex how

[forest knoll]

candy i understand you're interested but i don't think cass is going to walk you step by step through how the shader works

[keen knoll]

but-

[forest knoll]

start simpler
try to figure out the candy cane thing cass suggested

[storm forum]

🫙

[humble rampart]

whos that dumb piece of shit in the middle

[frigid mica]

How many hows

[keen knoll]

i wanna make cool stuff like that tho

[eternal portal]

i do,in my backup folder

[forest knoll]

you will work up to it from the simple stuff
be patient

learning is a process

[fiery vapor]

and if she did want to uh not right now since again... SHE NEEDS TO SLEEP 🗣️‼️

[frigid mica]

You don’t get good automatically

[forest knoll]

use the cool stuff as motivation to get through the boring stuff

[eternal portal]

heres a later version, but not the final one

[frigid mica]

And you can’t just convince people to do your bidding

[keen knoll]

but- but cass could walk me through it

[frigid mica]

They have boundaries

[fiery vapor]

and when did she said that

[frigid mica]

They need rest

[eternal portal]

i am couchsurfing

[forest knoll]

she doesn't seem interested in doing that, especially not at 4am

[eternal portal]

homeless

[keen knoll]

but,,,

[frigid mica]

You’re homeless?

[eternal portal]

i need to do paperworks tmr

[eternal portal]

for 2 years now

[fiery vapor]

what happened

[frigid mica]

Wtf

[feral prawn]

Its cold

[humble rampart]

blanket

[fiery vapor]

well if you are comfortable talking about it

[eternal portal]

tldr family sucks whatever

[forest knoll]

and more importantly, you are not entitled to her help, especially not a step-by-step walkthrough

[frigid mica]

Oh

[keen knoll]

um

[fiery vapor]

candy we are on our last nerve

[drowsy parrot]

is this fractured

[feral prawn]

Almost like i'm in a robe, 2 blankets, ac off, windows shut, door shut and its still cold,

[eternal portal]

earlier version of it yes

[humble rampart]

more blanket

[feral prawn]

👏

[forest knoll]

the people here helping you (including me) are volunteering to do so out of the goodness of their hearts. they can choose to stop helping at any time and they are totally justified in doing so, because it's their time they're spending

[frigid mica]

I believe Broke Finn isn’t the only one on “the list” anymore.

[fiery vapor]

like again

[feral prawn]

I just woke up man

[forest knoll]

i know it sounds harsh but that's the truth

[eternal portal]

if you wanna help a homeless shader coder then i do have a kofi but like eh

[feral prawn]

Why drama

[humble rampart]

shit works

[fiery vapor]

money is tight rn for me :(

i hope it gets better

[eternal portal]

then dont donate duh

[humble rampart]

EUREKA!

[eternal portal]

smartest balatro player

[fiery vapor]

TRUE

this out of context

[keen knoll]

um

[fiery vapor]

candy

[twilit veldt]

chat i know this has been asked plenty of times but where can i find a tutorial to mod balatro

[frigid mica]

I would give you money but like, I’m not allowed to.

[fiery vapor]

i don't wanna hear it

[humble rampart]

candy ur cool

[frigid mica]

I’m kind of terrible at managing my own.

[feral prawn]

What did candy do?

[humble rampart]

keep going

you're swag

[humble rampart]

like nothing

[feral prawn]

So why so harsh?

[drowsy parrot]

and then

meteor happens

[fiery vapor]

candy is begging cass on how to make shaders for like the half pass hour

[humble rampart]

just like 3 people think theyre mildly irritating

i guess

theyre fine

[feral prawn]

Oh, for thier mod or?

[eternal portal]

i literally dont have a computer rn

[forest knoll]

they're asking for help with shader coding, but it's a very complicated topic and they expect to have their hand held through the whole process by someone who's currently up at 4am with no computer access

[frigid mica]

Yeah but it’s fucking 4 in the morning

[humble rampart]

ay same

[eternal portal]

its at my old shelter

[wanton lintel]

"fuck is a perko?"

[fiery vapor]

ohh

[humble rampart]

thats not on candy?

[fiery vapor]

that makes sense

[humble rampart]

cass is picking to stay up

[keen knoll]

its not super super late here...

[wanton lintel]

time zones.

[eternal portal]

i mean with enough willpower maybe i could

[frigid mica]

I’ve been wondering that

[feral prawn]

I feel drained, and for some reason I can type without typos.

[frigid mica]

Why is cass actively choosing to stay awake

[humble rampart]

ur saying it like candy is poking cass with a tire iron so she helps them

[fiery vapor]

what exactly you are looking for

installing smods or modding your own

[main path]

huh
is anything else feelin weird

[eternal portal]

im a sick fucking cycle path

[humble rampart]

idk thats for her to know

[fiery vapor]

money is tight in general family stuff

[keen knoll]

wwhat

[feral prawn]

I feel, uhm, kind of, funky?

[eternal portal]

math

[keen knoll]

what

that still isnt helping a lot..

[humble rampart]

cycle path sounds like psychopath

[keen knoll]

ou

[main path]

like
is anything hurting
or is it just
something unfamiliar

[feral prawn]

I just kind of don't feel like me or something?

[drowsy parrot]

cass will you help me instead if i sprite the majority of the one thing that other people are on /j /j /j

[frigid mica]

I should learn how to make my own bank account (all of my money exists physically, I just borrow credit cards)

[forest knoll]

ok i'm closing discord because this conversation is genuinely exhausting

[fiery vapor]

uh f you might be huge credit card debt

[feral prawn]

I feel like someone else, which feels weird.

[humble rampart]

sanest person in chat

[main path]

reading 😭

[eternal portal]

like, get a hint

[keen knoll]

sorry

[humble rampart]

how is that on you candy

[frigid mica]

Good god

[humble rampart]

meta leaving i mean

[eternal portal]

theres more

[frigid mica]

No

[fiery vapor]

dear god...

[humble rampart]

🪣

[eternal portal]

🪣

[feral prawn]

I feel like you could've just said no politely Cass?

[twilit veldt]

installing

[drowsy parrot]

🪣

[wanton lintel]

rupert

[eternal portal]

i have

[fiery vapor]

same im going to bed because i got work in the morning and i used my mental energy for my mod today

[main path]

but beyond not feeling like urself
ur somewhat fine

[humble rampart]

i took my melatonin

[feral prawn]

Oh, you didn't show that so I was assuming.

[humble rampart]

everything is so much fjnnier

[fiery vapor]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki

[shy nebula]

{| x |}

[fiery vapor]

for steam deck i think you select linux too

[feral prawn]

You sound like me this afternoon not gonna lie,

[fiery vapor]

fjnnier...

[shy nebula]

cassknows

[humble rampart]

melatonin good

[wanton lintel]

rupert
rupert

[eternal portal]

this has been my dms for months, and im too tired to keep explaining that "hi hru" is not a complete topic i can engage with

[humble rampart]

fair

[fiery vapor]

wait hold on

[main path]

melatonin
yummy

[fiery vapor]

this shit going on for months

[humble rampart]

ive blocked people for less

[eternal portal]

like, i get a hi hru and then thats it even if i respond

[feral prawn]

Fair point.

[drowsy parrot]

you know like

estrogen

[keen knoll]

i i was just trying to reach out

[drowsy parrot]

thats better

and y ummier

[fiery vapor]

take a hint man

[humble rampart]

why the fuck are there always like 3 people trying to forcefem me

[eternal portal]

and i tried to talk to you, and told you that youre not really engaging to talk to

[humble rampart]

you're the third this WEEK

[keen knoll]

i

[fiery vapor]

what the fuck is forcefem

[feral prawn]

Maybe not saying hi if they don't respond might work? But you should calm it maybe.

[frigid mica]

Candycane

[eternal portal]

girl power

[main path]

this week 😭

[drowsy parrot]

.
okay listen its not forcefem wtf i was just mentioning it

[frigid mica]

Ok this is hopeless.

[humble rampart]

google it theres no way i can explain it cleanly

[humble rampart]

oh true

[keen knoll]

wha

[humble rampart]

yeah u right

[fiery vapor]

😨

[main path]

😭

[wanton lintel]

balance it out with 3 people offering you testosterone

[main path]

ok this was a bad time to check here

[feral prawn]

I believe forcefem is trying to force someone into feminization, even if they didn't want or think about it.

[feral prawn]

Pretty sure,

[humble rampart]

i got testosterone already i beat up homeless people

[eternal portal]

how do i feminize someone with lines and math

[fiery vapor]

EVEN HE WAS WEIRDED OUT ???? 😭😭😭😭😭

[eternal portal]

how do i add.....curves

[main path]

bezier curves 🔥

[fiery vapor]

alright seriously i need to sleep

[feral kindle]

hey i need some help

[drowsy parrot]

I Need Big Boobs In My Life

[fiery vapor]

good night

[humble rampart]

you gotta surround urself with more weird internet trans furries

[twilit veldt]

thanks man

[eternal portal]

bezier balls lmao goteem

[feral kindle]

at what point do i abort

[frigid mica]

I could not imagine myself leaving the house and cutting ties with my family. (I would starve and die)

[humble rampart]

coolest ppl i meet

[humble rampart]

when you beat ante 8

[keen knoll]

umsame

[eternal portal]

i got close to that several times 👍

[wind token]

haiii

[main path]

interpolate deez nuts

[feral kindle]

check screen shoy

[humble rampart]

hello

[humble rampart]

then ur late idk

[fiery vapor]

most of my friend group is queer including trans its more that forcing someone to be gender identity/expression they aren't is weird idk what to tell you man lmao

[fiery vapor]

YOURE COOKED

say goodbye to your puter

[wanton lintel]

i am this person (except for furry idk im just not one)

[humble rampart]

just google it im too tired to explain why its fine

[feral kindle]

I ABORTED ITS SO MUCH WORSE NOW

[frigid mica]

-# (I would also try to find a way to shorten my lifespan or end it right there if I was homeless and starving and close to death.)

[fiery vapor]

the doctor after he botched the abortion:

[drowsy parrot]

walking on egg shells

[fiery vapor]

i searched it up its weird

[frigid mica]

-# (Because that would mean god is no longer with me.)

[humble rampart]

this has something to do with balatro

surely

somewhere in here

[fiery vapor]

erm i would like you to have this convo... in #🃏・off-topic

[wanton lintel]

jimbo_spin

[fiery vapor]

[eternal portal]

3 weeks ago i ended up in a l'hopital

[humble rampart]

yk what i fully acknowledge i started this but i kinda feel like leaving so im gonna do that

cyall

[feral kindle]

literally its just autoscoring the one ten over and over

[frigid mica]

Started this how

[keen knoll]

what when

[main path]

damn...
what for (if u dont feel like discussing thats fine with u)

[humble rampart]

fucking idk history is written by the victors

shoo

go away

[drowsy parrot]

LMAO

[frigid mica]

Who transported you? (Besides medical team)

[fiery vapor]

This kind of like bickering which admittedly contributed to is why I don't join discord servers often

[main path]

also did anyone else catch the calculus pun

[fiery vapor]

I'm only in this admittedly for my modding

[frigid mica]

Someone had to call or see or even care to do it

[main path]

or is it just me

[feral kindle]

LETS FUCKING GO IT CRASHED

[fiery vapor]

I got it… I was reflected and transformed…

[eternal portal]

someone saw me in the window prolly

[frigid mica]

You live in a car?

[eternal portal]

car?

[frigid mica]

Oh

Wait

[fiery vapor]

Wait Cass where are you at now

[eternal portal]

couch

[frigid mica]

She says she’s homeless

[fiery vapor]

Couch surfing for the night?

[eternal portal]

sorta

[shy nebula]

guys E100#{{{#3#}}}#100

[fiery vapor]

Wdym sorta

[eternal portal]

i can stay herr for a couple weeks but its very much temporary

[fiery vapor]

I see

[frigid mica]

Oh

[fiery vapor]

Well what is the plan cass

Are you looking for a job or a more permanent place

[eternal portal]

they dont hire the mentally disabled where i live

nor do we get government money

we just die or sth

so idk

[fiery vapor]

Oh! You’re just fucked then sorry that was rude

[frigid mica]

I would offer a place if I could

I keep meeting people with messed up backgrounds like this.

[worn dagger]

America:

[fiery vapor]

Me too but uh not only do I not know you well (it’s more of a boundary) but where I live it isn't save for someone like you

[eternal portal]

im european, buddy

[frigid mica]

Day by day I wish to take them to shelters so they could live another day.

[worn dagger]

Cool can I come over

[eternal portal]

balatro attracts the most depraved members of society

[frigid mica]

It’s not just balatro

[fiery vapor]

It’s that gambling I tell you

[main path]

same
i wish i could give some homeless people stuff but unfortunately im a college student so im tryna save what i can

[eternal portal]

its those damn video games

[fiery vapor]

I live in Texas and my family is… uh

Nevermind

[worn dagger]

I live in Houston Texas

[fiery vapor]

Lubbock

[frigid mica]

I met a friend from r/spinel, we’ve been friends for a long time, one day I asked them what’s up, they said they’re RUNNING AWAY FROM SHOOTERS IN MEXICO LEGIT

[eternal portal]

are they by chance...... texan?

[worn dagger]

I have no regard for people knowing where I live

[drowsy parrot]

cass what if i buy a plane

[eternal portal]

plane?

[fiery vapor]

I mean yeah I'm talking about how they won't be nice to some like you as they aren't really to me

[eternal portal]

thats like a line, but 2d

[frigid mica]

THEY PRAYED THEY COULD LIVE ANOTHER DAY

[cold cape]

is saturn mod the one that skips animations

[frigid mica]

I’M DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS

[fiery vapor]

You should be careful though

[worn dagger]

Why

[main path]

i think talisman also has anim disables

[eternal portal]

my condolences

[eternal portal]

why am i here

[drowsy parrot]

yes yes

[fiery vapor]

I mean while Texas is a big state it is still your personal information

[shy nebula]

I felt like naming it after u ❤️

[wind token]

what the fuck did i come back to

[worn dagger]

I don’t care if I get hurt :dance:

[shy nebula]

math

[wind token]

im scared

[eternal portal]

this is the amount of fractured bones inside my left foot

[fiery vapor]

Okay this is enough

Goodnight everybody and Cass I hope it goes well and you find someone willing to take you in since you cannot live on your own because of ablism

[hardy brook]

Shinku's number when

[shy nebula]

😭

[fiery vapor]

Hang in there hope is what you need

[shy nebula]

sure give me a seed function and a seed limit ordinal

[hardy brook]

A... what?

[shy nebula]

a function which maps a number to another number

and a limit ordinal

[hardy brook]

Uh. 1 = 2

👍🏻

[shy nebula]

that's an equation

[fiery vapor]

👎

[hardy brook]

oh then 2

lol

[fiery vapor]

42

[shy nebula]

thats a number

[fiery vapor]

That’s my favorite number

[hardy brook]

a number can be a function

[fiery vapor]

They are talking about a seed

You should what seeds are

[hardy brook]

Like in balatro?

[fiery vapor]

You are in the balatro modding chat

[fiery vapor]

Yeah pretty much

I mean it’s bit of a simplication

[worn dagger]

Do whatever you want just make my number 60375.5

[hardy brook]

Well Shinku69 is a valid Seed (Well Shinku is too but y'know)

[eternal portal]

x_n+1 = x{x}x
x_0 = 10

[turbid heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401984872138149928/1422766392502910976/image.png?ex=68ddddf5&is=68dc8c75&hm=2cc9929109cf72ad55ee159f3f6bb1db0b0ee1ef429f71b71899eee0c33350b9&

Le joker

[eternal portal]

x_n

x

line

math

[worn dagger]

@shy nebula

[drowsy parrot]

thats not even

[eternal portal]

im not giving you my number, buy me a coffee first

[hardy brook]

I don't know what a seed FUNCTION or Limit Ordinal are but I know Shinku is a valid seed in balatro

[shy nebula]

f(x) = 60375.5

[worn dagger]

How much usd?

[wanton lintel]

i just watched the homestuck pilot
i still have no clue what this series is about

[eternal portal]

100000000

[turbid heart]

It’s not about anything

That’s the point.

[worn dagger]

I don’t want the number

[eternal portal]

worth a shot

[worn dagger]

How much is the coffee

[drowsy parrot]

me when i got suplex'd by mood swings

[eternal portal]

100000000

[drowsy parrot]

but cass

[worn dagger]

I will buy you 1 Starbucks coffee

[drowsy parrot]

what about glop dollars

[eternal portal]

i need a really big coffee

100000000

[worn dagger]

As long as it’s less than 15$ I’ll do it

[eternal portal]

14.99 it is

[thorny dock]

another joker idea

[drowsy parrot]

peak

[eternal portal]

entropy?

[worn dagger]

Actually nvm im broke

[eternal portal]

100000000

[thorny dock]

yeah entropy crossmod

[strong obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RouQqawdB-0

[eternal portal]

is that a mod

[woven orchid]

entrop

[eternal portal]

th

thats crazy

[deft ore]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1356061616063385763

[eternal portal]

oooh

gotta try it out

[woven orchid]

i would hope she knows considering she has contributed 1e100 things to it 😭

[eternal portal]

wHAT

[woven orchid]

one balatrillion contributions

[drowsy parrot]

damn cass

[shy nebula]

shinku's number

[drowsy parrot]

is true true

[eternal portal]

ive never seen this mod in my life

[deft ore]

true is truthy

[drowsy parrot]

Have You Were A Entropius In A Past Life!

[deft ore]

🤯

[eternal portal]

the batro

[thorny dock]

OF COURSE MISS MUSE OF VOID

[shy nebula]

fixed it up cuz some issues

[eternal portal]

what

[shy nebula]

idk if i should ping shinku or not

probably not

[eternal portal]

who

[drowsy parrot]

@hardy brook

[eternal portal]

oh

[deft ore]

4 left

[main path]

@shy nebula im remaking some old highschool cs assignments in rust

[shy nebula]

@main path

[limber cairn]

someone give me a mod to try out, ideally one with a decent bit of new content and one also on bmm

[shy nebula]

cool

[deft harbor]

modded balatro goes fucking hard sometimes

[hardy brook]

WONTON FISHBALL???

H-How big is this?

[shy nebula]

idk i thought of that sequence of words several years back

[shy nebula]

it obliterate TREE3

[hardy brook]

O-Oh

I'm a big number

[shy nebula]

the {} number arrays is beaf value btw

[hardy brook]

BEAF?

[shy nebula]

Bhttps://googology.fandom.com/wiki/Bowers'_Exploding_Array_Function

[deft ore]

was going to say lucky rabbit mentioned and then i realized

[hardy brook]

Beef

[deft ore]

anyways grab bag mentioned

[fierce mist]

Okay. Someone wanted me to make a joker that changes one random card left in hand to a spade.

  local xiferp_spade_change = psuedorandomelement(G.hand.cards, [table])
  set xiferp_spade_change to suit_conv //priorly set to spade
end```

will this about work for that?

[deft ore]

it's pseudorandom_element not psuedorandomelement

[hardy brook]

So Tree(3) is pretty biig, I know that

[deft ore]

i'm assuming this is pseudocode right?

[fierce mist]

yes

[deft ore]

what's the [table] doing also

[fierce mist]

I thought the random went (seed, table)

[hardy brook]

I'm trying to understand this and i see googo, I know what googol is

10! makes me think 10 factorial but i'm sure that's wrong

[deft ore]

no it's the table then the seed

also G.hand.cards is. maybe not the best seed

[deft harbor]

My mod is the fucking key to this synergy and it's amazing

[fierce mist]

Oh.

[wanton lintel]

what should i add to blackjack 2

[shy nebula]

nah i defined a notation called ultrafactorial

[hardy brook]

Ultrafactorial?

[shy nebula]

basically it uses factorial and array of operator

[fierce mist]

so, what set seed to? xiferp_card_hand?

[deft ore]

Dual Ace that can be worth 2 11 or 12

[shy nebula]

to create ridiculously massive number

[hardy brook]

https://googology.fandom.com/wiki/Ultrafactorial

Is it this?

[deft ore]

xiferp is your mod prefix i assume?

[shy nebula]

nah

same name but different

[fierce mist]

yea

[hardy brook]

ic

[fierce mist]

prefix:xiferp

[deft ore]

whats the joker called

[hardy brook]

I'm trying to gauge a scale on tree(3) vs this number. I know it's big because it looks like googol is an exponent

[shy nebula]

googol is the exponent of the operator itself

[fierce mist]

Scott's Joker rn, it's just a temp name cuz it's my joker made for scott

[shy nebula]

and it's actually an argument to a fgh function

[hardy brook]

wait, exponent of the operator??? like + and - are operators?

[deft ore]

the seed for a random thing should usually be modprefix_key (key of the card without your prefix)

[wanton lintel]

whats a thing i can crash course python on that isnt my ti-84 because that takes 3 eons to type in

[fierce mist]

Alrighty.

[deft ore]

for one card that needs multiple random things you can add something else to it, usually one word that tells you whats being randomized

like modprefix_key_rank

[fierce mist]

I just want the suit this time

[drowsy parrot]

googology is just numberslop without balatro lmao

[hardy brook]

https://googology.fandom.com/wiki/TREE_sequence#Values_for_\(\text{tree}(n)\)

Huh...

[shy nebula]

as long as you defined it you use it

[deft ore]

number go up in its purest form

[shy nebula]

an operator in itself is sort of a function

[deft ore]

concocted in a lab

[shy nebula]

numberslop with infinite resource

[wanton lintel]

i made a video game character

[fierce mist]

It's such a buzz to watch the number go up.

[fierce mist]

I like 'em, very Zero (the YouTuber)-styled.

[shy nebula]

hyprland is cool

[hardy brook]

So TREE[3] < Shinku

[wanton lintel]

when did i put this in my code 😭

[fierce mist]

Now that's a big head! Least you got the neck to support it! (your number's large!!!)

[shy nebula]

yeah i gave the operator a huge exponent

unfathomably massive, even

[hardy brook]

So what's a comparable number then or is there none?

[shy nebula]

dunno sorry

[hardy brook]

dang you made me REALLY big then lol

[willow wolf]

what

[hardy brook]

Correction, my Wonton Fishball

[fierce mist]

Literally blew you up to infinity

[wanton lintel]

python

[shy nebula]

sorry it's not infinity

[hardy brook]

Infinity is still larger

[shy nebula]

although the definition still used (several types of) infinity

[fathom gust]

the d

[fierce mist]

I know, but for all intents, it might as well be.

[hardy brook]

interesting

[shy nebula]

ok now ill talk about limit ordinal

i take it yall familiar with the number 0?

[hardy brook]

Of course

0 = nothing

0 apples = no apples

[fathom gust]

i swear to god if 0 suddenly turns into something

[fierce mist]

Whoawhoawhoawhoawhoawhoa slow down! You're going to fast! /j

[wanton lintel]

0 = 1

[shy nebula]

ok now given the number 0 and the operator +, *, ^

the first (integer) number you will never be able to reach with those operators and 0 is 1

[willow wolf]

so if i had 0 games and the amount of bacon i had was the amount of 0s in 1

would that mean

i'd have unlimited bacon, but no games

[fierce mist]

||-# arguable, since 0^0 could be 1||

[shy nebula]

its not that well defined, let's exclude ^ for now ig

[hardy brook]

I'm following ya so far.

I remember doing this for a mod

[fathom gust]

horror

[deft ore]

finally bringing justice to nxkoo

[shy nebula]

ok, so with 0, 1 and the operators +, *, ^. the first number you cannot reach is omega (denoted as w)

it's what yall think of when we talk about infinity

1 + w < w + 1

[deft ore]

omega is actually denoted as ω smh

[shy nebula]

yeah but im lazy

so we could use w

those looks close enough

you, you can count past w, like w is just 0, by appending + n

w, w + 1, w + 2, ...

[fierce mist]

y replacing þ be like

[shy nebula]

eventually you reach w + w

or w2

[willow wolf]

hey, what does mu omega mu spell.

[fierce mist]

uwu?

[willow wolf]

μωμ

[fierce mist]

I was close!

[shy nebula]

CwC

[willow wolf]

no thank you.

[deft ore]

nothing wrong with an uwu

[willow wolf]

please dont say cwc

christian weston chandler...

[shy nebula]

anyway countinue on that path and you will reach w * w

or w^2

[willow wolf]

what about wlw

[shy nebula]

it's w(l+1)2

[fierce mist]

Ah, wulti-level warketing

[shy nebula]

countinue and then we get w^w

[hardy brook]

Wristian leston wandler

[shy nebula]

then we can build a power tower of w

[willow wolf]

i know this mf uses tumblr, i just cant prove it

[hardy brook]

oooh

[shy nebula]

w^w^w^w^w^...

that number is called e_0

(epsilon_naught)

[fierce mist]

You'd be suprised by what you learn... (never use it, but do watch a bunch of comps)

[willow wolf]

i have a tumblr account

[hardy brook]

Alright

[fierce mist]

I have one, never posted.

[willow wolf]

https://www.tumblr.com/luminyaa

[fierce mist]

Anyway, back to infinity 101

[shy nebula]

yeah so you can have e_1 = e_0^e_0^e_0^...

[hardy brook]

Alright that makes sense, infinite Ws makes an E0, Infinite E0s make an E1

[fierce mist]

but wait, can't that 1 be a w?

[shy nebula]

eventually you reach e_e_e_...

that ordinal is denoted as zeta_0

[hardy brook]

ζ_0

[shy nebula]

you arent ready for the crap to come

[fierce mist]

I know math

I'll be fine

[hardy brook]

So I assume you can go ζ_ζ_ζ_ζ_ζ_...

[fierce mist]

Why you crying?

[shy nebula]

yeah its eta_0

[hardy brook]

η_0?

[shy nebula]

ye

[hardy brook]

I asssume it goes down the entire greek alphabet as you continue

[shy nebula]

the next ordinal is a bit special

[hardy brook]

oh

[fierce mist]

Now that was good timing

[shy nebula]

first we talk about ordinal collapsing function

https://googology.fandom.com/wiki/Ordinal_collapsing_function

[hardy brook]

https://youtu.be/-mtcfkWDbOU?si=KQDneKQZyYrIoqeL

[shy nebula]

im listening to rslash while talking math rn

[fierce mist]

That's parallel universes.

[hardy brook]

I know, but it fits this

It's more for me but in case people wanna hear it too lol

Okay so OCF as I'll call it

[fierce mist]

Let it be known, all lectures will be bettered with SM64 file select music behind it

[hardy brook]

Oh yeah, i got a quick question:

On average which one of these will make a larger number?

[shy nebula]

id assume the latter

it got a bigger exponent

[fierce mist]

Is that first one pulled from a bleeping 2swap video?

[granite sundial]

How does this look?

[hardy brook]

Yes

[shy nebula]

so it'll eventually dominate tha former

[fierce mist]

decent. Like the dithering for the shading. Not quite the place for this, though.

[hardy brook]

Context: The first one is the Plus times Plus function simplified. The second one is actually SUCCESSION + SUCCESSION

[granite sundial]

why not?

it's for my mod

[fierce mist]

usually, mod joker designs are shown in fan-art

[granite sundial]

so?

[fierce mist]

this channel is to chat about the code, or infinity as it is currently

[granite sundial]

that's #💻・modding-dev

this is #⚙・modding-general

[shy nebula]

ok so now we do fundamental sequence

[hardy brook]

or at least my attempt as simplifying ((_PLUS) (_SUCC)) (_SUCC)

[hardy brook]

mhm

[fierce mist]

If you wanna chat about the design alone, that's fan-art. this is for talking about mods overall

[shy nebula]

basically all limit ordinal has a fundamental sequence associated with it

like w has 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ...

[granite sundial]

🤦‍♂️

[shy nebula]

w2 has w, w + 1, w + 2, ...

[hardy brook]

Alright

[shy nebula]

w*w has 0, w, w*2, ...

w^w has 1, w, w^2, ...

[fierce mist]

Look, I get it, but still. Joker designs aren't the point of this server. The modding servers are mostly for code.

[shy nebula]

e_0 has 1, w, w^w, w^w^w, ...

[hardy brook]

we do talk about art here in Modding chat a bit

[fierce mist]

we do?

[hardy brook]

mhm

If it's for a mod

[fierce mist]

Oh. @granite sundial, nevermind.

[hardy brook]

I shared my art for a concept i'm working on with RattlingSnow here this morning i believe

[granite sundial]

Told you.

[hardy brook]

But yeah I'm following. Isn't the w^w^w thing that "up arrow notation" or am I wrong

[shy nebula]

basically for a being a limit ordinal with cofinality w, a fundamental sequence of a is a monotonically increasing sequence with length w with supremum a

[shy nebula]

actually no

[fierce mist]

Look, I'm not Balatro player if I don't know when to fold! (wait, wrong game)

[shy nebula]

e_0 is basically w^^w

[hardy brook]

gotcha

[fierce mist]

It's just mostly code-oriented

[hardy brook]

actually this is mostly anything but modding at this point lol

[shy nebula]

i like fold

[shy nebula]

a

[fierce mist]

I'm partial to origami myself!

[granite sundial]

How does this look?

[shy nebula]

i hate roblox so ofc i hate this

[fierce mist]

Decent. Like the dithering for shading, and the text down the side

[fierce mist]

never played roblox so ofc don't know this guy

[shy nebula]

ok now lets talk about fast growing hierarchy

[granite sundial]

Death.

[shy nebula]

actually before that i have to address the elephant in the room

ok so you guys know real numbers right?

[hardy brook]

Mhm

[shy nebula]

numbers such as 0.01, 0.161491487419...

pi, e

[granite sundial]

yep

[fierce mist]

I prefer the term lateral, but yes

[hardy brook]

yeah and imaginary numbers with stuff like "2i"

[shy nebula]

we have uncountably infinite numbers of those number

[granite sundial]

i'm aware

[fierce mist]

ah, vertical numbers

[granite sundial]

real numbers > regular numbers

[shy nebula]

so we come to the first uncountably limit ordinal

W or w_1

[fierce mist]

complex numbers > real numbers

[shy nebula]

as such, uncountable ordinal doesnt have a fundamental sequence

[hardy brook]

O...kay?

[fierce mist]

So how does this relate to Shinku the number, do. Xekatia?

[shy nebula]

yeah so ordinal collapsing function exists to uh "convert" a "higher-class" class ordinal to a "lower-class" one

[hardy brook]

So it makes it easier?

[shy nebula]

ok so now for the most common application of ocfs in googology

fast-growing hierarchy

the fast growing hierarchy is a hierarchy of functions that grows extremely fast, and is used to measure growth rate / strength of other systems that generate big numbers

[fierce mist]

Got a good joker idea

[granite sundial]

what should he do?

[shy nebula]

it's simply defined as
f_0 (x) = x + 1
f_(n + 1) (x) = f^x_n (x) (f^x_n meaning you apply f_n x times, aka f_n(f_n(f_n(...f_n(x)...))) with x copies of f_n)
f_a (x) = f_a[x] (x) (a is a countable limit ordinal, a[x] denotes the xth element in the fundamental sequence of a)

[shy nebula]

the background is plain

[fierce mist]

take a lesson in infinity

[granite sundial]

i'm trying to focus on him not the background

[hardy brook]

is that what the f in SWF (Shinku's Wonton Fishball) is?

[shy nebula]

yes

[granite sundial]

can I get some actual ideas, instead of this bullshit

[shy nebula]

I_0 being the smallest inaccessible ordinal

[hardy brook]

Learning math

[shy nebula]

learn math bro

dont play roblox

playing roblox with only get you traumatized

[fierce mist]

We're taking a math class, you wanna join or no?

[granite sundial]

no

[shy nebula]

anyway, psi being the buchholz ordinal collapsing function

[fierce mist]

Okay then, kindly, please leave.

[shy nebula]

when v is omitted, it defaults to 0

so it creates a countable ordinal

[hardy brook]

I see

[shy nebula]

by using that we can creates functions that growth super fast

f_w (4) = f_4 (4)
= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_3(4))))
= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2((4))))))

= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_1(f_1(f_1(f_1(4)))))))))))

= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_1(f_1(f_1(f_0(f_0(f_0(f_0(4))))))))))))))

[hardy brook]

oh

[spare geyser]

and of course i can run the shockwaved shader perfectly fine but when someone else runs it they crash i fucking hate shaders

[shy nebula]

= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_1(f_1(f_1(8)))))))))))))

[vapid swan]

Why is math letters now

I hate society

[shy nebula]

== f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_1(f_1(16))))))))))))

[spare geyser]

how does this keep happening where I can run a shader but then someone else runs it and game is die

[forest knoll]

always has been

[shy nebula]

= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_1(32)))))))))))

f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(64))))))))))

[fierce mist]

it's always been letters

[shy nebula]

= f_3(f_3(f_3(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_2(f_1(...f_1(64)...)))))))))))

there is uh, 64 copies of f_1 there

[shy nebula]

f_1 = 2 * x

[vapid swan]

(you found it!)

[buoyant kestrel]

chat should i do the thing and make new suits

[vapid swan]

Only if it has something to do with chicken nuggets

McDonald's suit

It's just the M

[buoyant kestrel]

you bake two suits in the oven to make new ones
hearts + diamonds = rubies

[shy nebula]

f_2 is 2^n * n

[buoyant kestrel]

diamonds + diamonds

[shy nebula]

f_3 (n) > 2^^n

f_w (n) = f_n (n)

[hardy brook]

Interesting. I'll have to read later because it's late

[charred rune]

i feel like thats too op though

make moss a consumable maybe?

[buoyant kestrel]

self destructs

[charred rune]

ik that

[buoyant kestrel]

if you dont get eternal on that it is going to die

[shy nebula]

anyway f_(w^w) (10^100) is pretty big

[charred rune]

wait ur adding eternal to playing cards or is moss an edition

[buoyant kestrel]

moss is enhanced and eternal on playing cards works already

it just isnt in vanilla

[charred rune]

ok

if it reaches X0 then nothing happens

[buoyant kestrel]

if it reaches X1 it dies

thats in the description

the card go kaboom

[charred rune]

what abt eternal?

[buoyant kestrel]

it stays there

[charred rune]

oh ok

[buoyant kestrel]

because X0 sucks

[charred rune]

my one friend gonna make an eternal moss deck then flex it like:

[buoyant kestrel]

deadass gonna make a joker that prolongs moss

[charred rune]

make it add X1 to moss when it reaches its expiration point to prolong the process

[buoyant kestrel]

yesss

[charred rune]

my dumbass whenever someone accepts a random idea i made for a mod:

[fierce mist]

I mean, you give enough ideas, I might take one...

[charred rune]

ok, gimme a joker you want to pair up with a synergy or improve, mr. jimbo joshua jokkeman

[buoyant kestrel]

hehehe

[fierce mist]

Hmm... How about my own Corrupted DNA? DNA but worse! (It copies the first card of a hand, and adds or removes a rank and randomizes the suit)

[charred rune]

randomize everything (rank, suit, edition, enhancement) and make the card visuals the Cracked D6 from Isaac

i can make the art if you want

[fierce mist]

Hmm, okay... how about another one: make a direct synergy with Vampire! (or a card that immediately debuffs it)

[charred rune]

wdym by that (little bit less broad)

[fierce mist]

Like a joker that prevents cards from losing enhancements

[charred rune]

oh ok

[fierce mist]

Call it garlic

[charred rune]

i was thinking crucifix or holy mantle

[fathom gust]

i have no god damn ideas for jokers

im just stuck

[charred rune]

locks enhancements on cards, cannot be switched in any way (syn with CD6), cards that remove enhancements act as if they unenhanced the card

[fierce mist]

Then tell us some jokers you have!

[charred rune]

i shall bestow upon you my greatest gift: Mickey Mantle Joker

[worn rain]

IT FUCKIN WOOOORKS WOOOOOOOO

[fathom gust]

i forgor i privated my mod due to…
reasons

[charred rune]

and joker toploader

ignore the red dead pixel, was screenshotting from aseprite

[fierce mist]

Then still tell us! (unless privated means 'deleted")

[keen knoll]

red dead? like the game?

[charred rune]

what the fuck would a joker based on this do though

my hg just sent me this 💀

[keen knoll]

discarded cards probably

[fierce mist]

Hmmmm.... adds blue seals

[worn rain]

this card is so fucking cool man i cant

[charred rune]

wait awesome

[worn rain]

i gotta fix the crash causing me to be unable to add tooltip but im not worried abt that rn, this working at all is crazy enough 2 me

[charred rune]

wait that's sick

[wraith seal]

looks amazing

[fathom gust]

something something fpe joke and god awful unbalancing

[keen knoll]

does that mean it can destroy itself or

[charred rune]

baldis basics perhaps?

[worn rain]

only blueprint compat

i dont think theres any blueprint compat jokers that kill themselves

[forest knoll]

let's take a look 👀

[keen knoll]

sssssseltzer???

[worn rain]

ohh

right yea i think itd break but it wouldnt kill quick look

i cant rlly test that either

just gotta hope no one has enough hands to break a quick look's seltzer LOL very niche edge case

[fathom gust]

}
},

oops

[forest knoll]

if it's just running the blueprint effect, it shouldn't do the limited timing thing

[worn rain]

its copying the whole card tbh

its not blueprinting it realistically

[charred rune]

WHO LET THE WIZARDS IN THE KITCHEN AGAIN!?!

[forest knoll]

ah

[keen knoll]

maybe make it eternal?

[worn rain]

like, the fake nested seltzer? or quick look?

[keen knoll]

can eternal foods destroy themself?

[charred rune]

wizard joker: randomizes food joker values

[worn rain]

the way quick look works is kinda based on ortalabs pinkprint

[fathom gust]

i forget some jokers exist
or there’s just localization for jokers that do not exist at all

[keen knoll]

what

[wraith seal]

better crit popup instead of eval status text

[fathom gust]

anyways im gonna go through a horrific sleep schedule

12:39 and i have to wake up at 6:00 what’s the worst that can happen

[charred rune]

gotta wake up at 7:00 and yet im actually refreshed in the morning

[deft ore]

hardcoded 😭

[drowsy parrot]

guys

are you not ready for hotpot

it will not exist in a week

[deft ore]

guys
are you ready for Oops! The game crashed:

[granite sundial]

what should he do?

[deft ore]

give +4 mult

2 dollar common

[granite sundial]

i'm actually asking, what do i make him do

[drowsy parrot]

idk i never played phighting

[granite sundial]

https://phighting.wiki/The_Broker

[deft ore]

There is currently no text in this page

[granite sundial]

lies

[deft ore]

nvm it loaded

weird placeholder to have when something isnt loading

[drowsy parrot]

idk what you want me to do with this information

[shy nebula]

white edge

[granite sundial]

what do i make him do?

[drowsy parrot]

no like genuinely

[shy nebula]

nothing

cuz he is a bum

[granite sundial]

if you're not going to contribute, don't talk at all.

[drowsy parrot]

its like you gave me a newspaper that had cnc machining reported then told me to machine something i dont even know what this guy is capable of doing

[granite sundial]

https://phighting.wiki/The_Broker

[storm forum]

Something to do with 4OAK and money...

[deft ore]

this wiki page doesnt say shit

[drowsy parrot]

you just slapped my face with another newspaper

[deft ore]

what does he do in this game

[deft ore]

no it's the same newspaper though

[shy nebula]

i contributed

you on the other hand fails to come up with an idea

[fierce mist]

Speaking of jokers, should this guy do something?

[drowsy parrot]

ok

this is actually rude

[deft ore]

crash the game instantly if you have talisman

[deft ore]

🔥

[shy nebula]

true

[drowsy parrot]

you didnt contribute at all

[deft ore]

what the fuck is the church

[fierce mist]

And... nothing else- that's actually funny

[deft ore]

also what does he do in game

[granite sundial]

Use the hyperlinks

[shy nebula]

f_w (floor(n)) mult then

[drowsy parrot]

^^^^ this is much better to base off as the function for the joker

[granite sundial]

USE THE HYPERLINKS

[deft ore]

like that tells me shit

[shy nebula]

rude like the ultrakill level loader???????

[granite sundial]

it does

[deft ore]

the groups function is currently unknown

[shy nebula]

Scritch

[fierce mist]

USE THE HYPERLINKS

[deft ore]

okay thanks

[granite sundial]

the red text

use it

[deft ore]

what hyperlink says what he does in game then

[drowsy parrot]

alright hold on

[vapid swan]

"Shit, I pissed on my towel, better turn it into clout!"
Aka; Japoker

[drowsy parrot]

hands down hold on

listen

[shy nebula]

AsDeref<>

[granite sundial]

yes

[deft ore]

piss boy post my beloved

[deft ore]

that doesn't answer the question

[worn rain]

i cant get over how cool this is im so hyper rn

[granite sundial]

https://phighting.wiki/Brokercoins
https://phighting.wiki/The_Broker/Dialogue
https://phighting.wiki/The_Broker/Gallery
https://phighting.wiki/The_Broker