⚙・modding-general

[delicate dust]

is that a bell pepper

wtf is that

[hard plank]

i would go play again today but i got too tired after exam

[main path]

exams 😭

[balmy lily]

spear of longinus

[royal sun]

bruh i play randomly for fun but having perma damaged hand aint ideal

[hard plank]

oof

did you get that checked

[royal sun]

i did

[delicate dust]

those are bedrot type days for me ngl

[royal sun]

thats also why i quit doing 16 hour runs

ya know

[hard plank]

don't do that

i play casually my rating is 11753

[royal sun]

meh you can only learn your lesson once i don't do that anymore dw

[hard plank]

by casually i just pick 13 to play with no warm up

bad idea

[royal sun]

well when i said 16 hours i don't mean with breaks

or pauses

[hard plank]

oh.

[fathom gust]

what the fuck 😭

[hard plank]

why do i even bother with Lv 13

[main path]

question that may be slightly related:
how many hours of sleep do u get

[royal sun]

and now you have context of how one can damage their hand permanently

[hard plank]

rhythm game hyperfixation

[royal sun]

at the time it was at max 8 maybe 7 or 6 on some days

[wanton rapids]

i will remain silent

[hard plank]

triangle

[wanton rapids]

aikoyori

[hard plank]

how is nothing os 3

[royal sun]

now adays tho its more along with 9-14 hours

[main path]

7 + 16 = 23
wait
math aint mathin
didnt u have like some other responsibilities or something at the time
how do u manage to go more than 12 hrs without having to do something

[wanton rapids]

icl i dont really think about my phone's os

[royal sun]

you do need to eat once a day

are you aware of that

[main path]

i know
but like
1 extra hour to do all that
eat, shower, take care of errands

[royal sun]

and no i dropped out of school

[main path]

oh ok

[hard plank]

whuh

[royal sun]

and barely showered

[wanton rapids]

travel time

[royal sun]

i regret ever going through that stage

[hard plank]

do i shower way too many times 😭😭😭😭

[main path]

well at least you shower 😭

[wanton rapids]

hopefully not

what does showering too much even mean

[hard plank]

twice daily

[royal sun]

that is too much

[main path]

i shower once daily

[hard plank]

the weather is scorching over here

[main path]

but it depends on where one lives

[shy nebula]

sucker

[deft ore]

thats fine then

[royal sun]

yeah i suppose that does

[main path]

humid area?

[hard plank]

Thailand

[main path]

ah

[hard plank]

known for uh

[main path]

oh cool
uninstall command

[hard plank]

hot climate

humid

[main path]

yeah 2x showers a day makes sense

i live in the midwest of the US of A so its not nearly as humid

[shy nebula]

it simply remove the dir then refresh the lockfile

[hard plank]

i mean sometimes i take an extra shower just to cool off in the middle of the day because

yk

[full edge]

I think I've managed to port Blockbuster Spellcasting properly into Kino. So I guess that means it's time to start on module number 3

[royal sun]

oh well i can regret but i have at the very least learned what not to do

at be it too late

[keen knoll]

waterlogged

[royal sun]

Oooo

[wanton rapids]

aikoshen waterlogged edition when

[shy nebula]

you missed the currently stuff

[lavish pike]

Ik

there, its grey now

[deft ore]

i shill paradoxs stupid ideas too much

i should shill another mod instead

[full edge]

I think with x0.1 scaling per round, the 2x blind size isn't really necessary as a trade-off

[deft ore]

play my mod https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1371680861979803668

[lavish pike]

Im only going to use forge to make a concept, I want to be able to mod the game properly

[full edge]

it'd take ages for that joker to outscore even its own penalty, after all

[humble rampart]

slower than obelisk

way worse penalty

[shy nebula]

the X1 in the currently need to be {X:mult,C:white}

[lavish pike]

does it?

ok

[umbral pilot]

pepper

[lavish pike]

oh yeah ok thx

[shy nebula]

X0.1 also seems to have an extra space in it

[wanton rapids]

would you take a joker that was x0.5, +x0.05 per round?

[lavish pike]

yeah ok

gains X0.1?

[royal sun]

damn your vision must be pretty good i didn't even see that

[lavish pike]

so good after 5 rounds

or X0.15 could be good

[wanton rapids]

that'd be x0.2

[lavish pike]

oh yeah

[humble rampart]

yeah but after five rounds its just like

nothin

you gotta keep it way longer

[lost inlet]

this might be too silly

[wanton rapids]

if anything the original could be a dubious common

[royal sun]

that is very silly

[plush hound]

fae???????????

[royal sun]

does it apply to every version of it self or just that instant

[lost inlet]

neopronoun

[plush hound]

oh

[lost inlet]

which part

[plush hound]

fuck i forgot

[shy nebula]

im sorta useless like that

[royal sun]

the selling part

[plush hound]

if theres NEO pronouns

[lost inlet]

every version of itself

[plush hound]

are there EX NEO pronouns

[humble rampart]

surely

[royal sun]

wiat so you have 2 but you can only sell 1 per ante then ?

[lost inlet]

yea

[royal sun]

almost useless but funny/sily

[humble rampart]

FREEMAN????

[full edge]

Spellcasting's skeleton's done for now 😄 Backported it to Kino. Only thing I truly can't figure out is that one spell that keeps undiscovering itself

Time to move onto Blockbuster: Value Manipulation

[distant badge]

spamton/mettaton

[lavish pike]

Is this good?

[shy nebula]

why is it *0.3 now

[lavish pike]

buff

[wanton rapids]

four rounds for x1.1 is kind of ehh

[shy nebula]

this is ...worse to read

[lavish pike]

what do I do? 😭

[full edge]

I still don't know if I'd ever pick that up outside of white stake runs where I have a lot of room for mistakes. I feel like almost any other xmult joker is a better pick up

[shy nebula]

i mean it should be X0.3

use capital X

[humble rampart]

i think the concept of 2X blind sizes clashes with Xmult gain. if its too slow then you're just taking a loss for a long time for little return, if its too fast it outscales obelisk and other Xmult scalers

[hard plank]

NEW TANTACRUL VIDEO

??

[lavish pike]

ok yeah, how about scaling +mult?

[wanton rapids]

unknown

[hard plank]

nvm

[royal sun]

that may be op gud but i suppose it would take time

[humble rampart]

2X blind size is cool but i think it goes well with something that is vitally not scoring

[full edge]

Is there a flavour reason you're making it affect the blind size?

[lavish pike]

like +15/round

[wanton rapids]

i mean cassettes have 2 sides

[lavish pike]

the cassettes in celeste unlock a harder level

[royal sun]

that is a very smart

[full edge]

Oooh, it's a celeste reference

[lavish pike]

3 In celeste for some reason

[lavish pike]

yeah :D

[royal sun]

wait wait how does it work ?

[lavish pike]

what would be a good upside to it then?

[full edge]

I'd pitch some design directions but I can't really come up with anything that isn't wildly overdesigned, hahaha

[royal sun]

i thought it applied it once per ante no ?

[lavish pike]

eh idc throw whatever at me

[lost inlet]

oh yea

[royal sun]

does it pile ?

[humble rampart]

maybe something about booster packs, those jokers are always cool

[lavish pike]

I need this to be simple to code 😭

I suck

[humble rampart]

i mean

[full edge]

First totally unrealistic pitch is to have a few very strong casette jokers that force the boss blinds to be more punishing b-side blinds 😛

[humble rampart]

less simple than scaling Xmult but still

[wanton rapids]

oh that'd be a fun mod gimmick

i mean mf has the dx blinds but those are an intentionally small subset

[lost inlet]

?

[lavish pike]

I mean I could make the art and effect Ideas but not code

[full edge]

Yeah, it's not really jokerforge suitable. Though it wouldn't be too difficult to program, once you learn the basics

[humble rampart]

i mean cassete tapes immediatly call to mind rewinding, and the balatro analogue of that is minus ante

[royal sun]

idk how if it only works once per ante how it would pile like that. otherweise that calc doesn't work. i may be really stupid here

[lost inlet]

if you get 5 copies which isn't hard

[hard plank]

sorry

[full edge]

But the other thing I'd look into is perhaps making you go up an ante when you buy it (potentially also increasing your win ante?) and then giving a bonus from there on?

[royal sun]

but you only get it by selling and you can only do it once per ante ?

[wanton rapids]

why are you sorry aiko

[humble rampart]

+ante is almost fundamentally a downside

[full edge]

i think it's compulsive for aiko to be sorry

[lost inlet]

the emult is just a normal joker effect

*echips

oop

[humble rampart]

im not saying +ante is never useful but it feels more apt to treat it as a downside to enable upsides

[royal sun]

so does it stack and stick or no ? i feel so stupid for not getting this

[full edge]

Yeah, +ante's only an upside if you're run's already busted as hell and you have to be somewhere in 5 minutes, hahaha

[lavish pike]

Im not coding it in jokerforge
I wanna code a mod normally

[umbral pilot]

ew

[humble rampart]

i salute you for that

[umbral pilot]

why code normal when you have the forge

[humble rampart]

i couldnt be bothered to learn coding

[deft ore]

that’s what the main menu button is for

[lost inlet]

the echips stacks

[lavish pike]

why try when you can be lazy

[lost inlet]

i keep saying emult

[deft ore]

madeline no

[full edge]

Oooh, okay, I misread something, somewhere then, haha! In that case, I'm sure you'd be able to make a feature like that yourself, as long as your comfortable asking questions in the dev channel for the stuff that's undocumented

[keen knoll]

i mean no

[lost inlet]

she exploded sorry

[humble rampart]

also jokerforge does all the exporting of x1 and x2 art for me so i like it more

[royal sun]

okey its not written tho ? thats why it confused me my b

[humble rampart]

what

[deft ore]

why wouldnt it stack

[wanton rapids]

echips isnt vanilla

[keen knoll]

ccc mod does something cool where it increases the ante but decreases the ante scaling

[humble rampart]

if you have a 2Xmult joker and a 2X mult joker why wouldnt it stack

[deft ore]

if i have two cavendishes it’s not just activating one

[lost inlet]

my mod also adds other echips jokers

[royal sun]

most of them say current: insert number and i am not smart enough to auto translate

[lost inlet]

and 1 emult though i'm limiting emult to only one

[humble rampart]

like im not an advocate for xchips or god forbid echips but like

[royal sun]

thats geniunly just me being stupid

[deft ore]

that’s. scaling

[humble rampart]

why wouldnt it stack

[deft ore]

that’s just a scaling value

[full edge]

What if I trick goodmorning into including all my APIs into jokerforge? 🤔

[lavish pike]

Im definately going to ask a lot dont worry :P

[royal sun]

like i said i aint smart enough to autotranslate

[lavish pike]

do it definately

[hard plank]

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/09/the-digital-markets-acts-impacts-on-eu-users/

[lost inlet]

ngl i like trying to balance echips even if it's kinda hard

[lavish pike]

and also what upsides could I give a joker that increases blind size?

[full edge]

Probably not for spellcasting and counters. Does jokerforge allow value manipulation at the moment?

[hard plank]

i can't read

[humble rampart]

somehow balatro got somethin to do with dis

[hard plank]

balatro is on app store

[full edge]

Scott definitely had a great point with it being best if it doesn't directly score. I imagine something like additional shop slots, or free rerolls might be the way to go

[deft ore]

x2 blind size
x2 mult

[humble rampart]

i think you gotta specifically untether it from round playing

[royal sun]

il say this once, i never claimed to be smart. i aint smart and now ima go out for a smoke. if something isn't stated my brain says not there. :3

[humble rampart]

aka making it a shop joker

[lavish pike]

wow amazing

[hard plank]

best

[royal sun]

that be fun as a challange

[lavish pike]

I could, but what upsides are there to consider?

[wanton rapids]

-1 shop slot x2 mult

[delicate dust]

-1 slop

[humble rampart]

well, considerin rewinding something about retrying booster packs?

[deft ore]

cryptid dies -2025, colorized

[full edge]

I think limiting the shop is also definitely a way to add difficulty, if you prefer it's upside to be score

[royal sun]

colorized XD

[humble rampart]

like giving a joker/charm/celestial tag for skipping a booster pack

[hard plank]

I'm not British

[humble rampart]

why

[lavish pike]

yeah that seems cool, feels like an uncommon but idc about what rarity something is

[full edge]

Is there any mod with a joker that gives you some money back when you don't take anything from a booster pack 🤔

[humble rampart]

extra credits i tgink

yellow card

[wanton rapids]

that's on skip

[deft ore]

yellow card extra crediy

[humble rampart]

+$4 when a bpack is skippef

[wanton rapids]

so you can get money from a mega if you skip half

[full edge]

I mean, on skip is kinda similar enough

[lunar sluice]

yello card is boring because its literally just what if red card was money

[lunar sluice]

you could atleast make it a little more interesting

[wanton rapids]

i think unpleasant card is my favourite redcardlike because its funny

[full edge]

Eh, I feel like that effect fundamentally changed the choices you make

[wanton rapids]

some bias

[delicate dust]

those who Know 😂

[lavish pike]

what

[deft ore]

we need more red card likes

[full edge]

It's effect on paper is red card but money, but it wouldn't play like red card

[deft ore]

without it red card sucks ass

[lavish pike]

what do you mean?

[lunar sluice]

i mean because its money the things you do with it are different but also i think having a bunch of jokers that are vanilla jokers with 1 changed thing is not that interesting

also naming it yellow card is dumb

[obsidian sky]

more like, red fard

[full edge]

I mean, that's a different issue, haha

[lunar sluice]

thats the worst part of it

you could come up with a way better reference and also a way better effect for yellow card

[wanton rapids]

i mean yellow card is canon right

to sports

[lunar sluice]

yellow card is a real card but like

i think the theming of red card but money using yellow card is just a little lazy

compared to what you could do

[humble rampart]

its boring yeah but you can see it

[obsidian sky]

idk it sounds like the perfect theming

[humble rampart]

red is mult yellow is money

[lunar sluice]

yellow cards and red cards dont even signal the same thing why would they have basically the same effect

[full edge]

I like the concept. Getting money back on a skip allows you to scout boosters at a low risk, that's a very different gameplay pattern

[lunar sluice]

the effect is not that bad

im overly critical of the effect because some extra credit jokers are a worsely executed version of the idea

yellow card is like the least bad example of it

[wanton rapids]

i mean it's more creative than blue card

[plush hound]

rainbow card

[humble rampart]

fucking blue card

god

[hard plank]

every single colours of card

[lunar sluice]

yeah imagine doing vanilla joker but chips instead of mult haha extra credit would never do that

not like theres chips abstract with no other changes

[hard plank]

transgender flag card

[obsidian sky]

evil notmario

[wanton rapids]

This is true

[plush hound]

triangular shaped colored card

when

in mf

[royal sun]

why are we talking about penalty cards

[lunar sluice]

i think some people fall into the trap of thinking they need to add 0 new mechanics so when they try to expand on vanilla they really just like

dont expand at all

because they just do the same things but marginally differently

[wanton rapids]

unpleasant card is funnier and i dont want to retread the same idea

[lunar sluice]

a bunch of mods have the problem where the jokers you play with lead to the exact same way of playing as existing vanilla jokers

they dont really spice up the gameplay at all they just exist to pad the numbers

or to force a reference

[obsidian sky]

holy shit

[worn bone]

balala joker poker

[lunar sluice]

i think theres probably a reason why most of the jokers that are references reference unique things, not like referencing something more than once is bad but imagine if blue card was literally in the game as chips red card

that would just be really boring

[worn bone]

chips obelisk

[worn dagger]

I was about to say try to find red card 😭

[plush hound]

people like fillerjokers

[lunar sluice]

i mean sure but vanilla has unique filler jokers

and theres like 150 jokers

i specifically dont mean unique from other mods

because like

[obsidian sky]

that'd be like if there was a joker called lusty joker that buffs hearts. and then that same joker was copied 3 times for other suits with random other sins. wait

[lunar sluice]

thats bound to be impossible

but a lot of effects just feel like its copying vanillas homework for the sake of having more

instead of having a good idea and adding it

[full edge]

Part of why I leaned heavily on new mechanics for Kino was because I didn't wanna retread vanilla design space too much. I think there's some stuff that's under explored, but there's the risk of it creating too homogenized a playstyle, or making a specific build too accessible

[royal sun]

lol

[worn bone]

what if there were a bunch of jokers that gave +mult for playing specific hands

and then we added the same thing but for +chips

and then the same thing but for xmult

[wanton rapids]

i mean the chips hand type jokers were actually to pad the numbers

[lunar sluice]

the hand type jokers are fine because they meaningfully change how you play the game

because you just

play a different hand type compared to if you get a different one

they are the most filler-y jokers in the game though

if you get the flush hand type joker you dont play the same as if you get the straight one unless youre only using it for sell value

[worn bone]

me when i use a negative tag and get negative zany joker or some
shit

[full edge]

Also, I do feel like there should be a set of generic and accessible scoring jokers at common. Mods tend to just not need to add those because that role's decently filled already

[hard plank]

i believe the first page jokers are mostly filler like they are useful when you need it but most of the time it's filler

[humble rampart]

temperance value 🤑

[lunar sluice]

i think vanilla has sort of filled the void with purely filler jokers that just exist to be the most easily accessible

adding more sort of requires you to add more suits or add more hand types

[worn bone]

yeah like
wtf else do you add

[lunar sluice]

and even then your hand type has to be not a secret hand

[humble rampart]

i have some common jokers that are kinda boring ngl

like uhhh

[lunar sluice]

i dont think it takes a lot to be interesting even for a common but you have to not

do literally the same thing as vanilla but with a different color

[humble rampart]

masked joker - +1 Discard if played hand contains 5 scoring face cardd

[lunar sluice]

outside of continuing an existing pattern

which is like 1/2 sets of jokers

[full edge]

I think mods that add a smaller package of jokers can reasonably skip out on adding commons, honestly

[lunar sluice]

yes

[worn bone]

me when i add a new hand type and have to add a +mult joker and a +chips joker and a Xmult joker and then i add a new consumable type so i have to add a seal and a spectral card and-

[lunar sluice]

if you add a lot you kind of need to add some commons just to introduce the ideas you are adding though

[obsidian sky]

it'd be funny if localthunk made the 120th joker called "mobile phone" and then the 150th joker was "broken telephone"

[wanton rapids]

this reminds me of that one time someone asked chatgpt for names to complete the "cycle" started by blood pact in mf

[full edge]

Yeah, new mechanics or archetypes benefit from commons

[lunar sluice]

you dont want people to never find your jokers outside of randomly pulling some crazy ass rare

[humble rampart]

i only make joker pack because when i get mods that say theyre mostly vanilla and add like 22 consumables and 4 new poker hands i get ticked off

[lunar sluice]

it also helps with the fact that the game is basically just a synergy machine if you have more synergy potential with your new mechanics

[keen knoll]

oh boy $4

[full edge]

My mod's mostly vanilla. It only adds 40 consumables, a new card layer, a new object type, and no poker hands

[worn bone]

i feel like i never really know what the heck rarity to give a joker idea or what numbers to give a joker

[humble rampart]

gift card value 🤑

[humble rampart]

thats for playtesting

[lunar sluice]

my mod does not classify as vanilla+ to me but i would say its pretty close, theres only a few things that i would say actually go across the boundary

[worn bone]

what does vanilla+ even mean anymore

[worn rain]

gaming rn

[wanton rapids]

i feel like if you made it less shitposty morefluff could be vanilla+

[worn bone]

is it just “not cryptid balance” and also not shitposty

[nova flax]

My mod's mostly vanilla. It only has 5 different malware and 12 keyloggers

[obsidian sky]

i'd say consumables are vanilla+. there are so many tarots and spectrals that consumable blocking them is nigh impossible. so what's 20 more

[full edge]

no it's 'i like it' depending on who says it, haha

[humble rampart]

i turn off modded consumables if i can ngl

[worn bone]

remembering the extra credit bunco video

[keen knoll]

my mod is vanilla bc ive barely added anything lol

[worn bone]

TRUE

[lunar sluice]

to me vanilla+ is something i could see happening in the game

well no

that means no mods are vanilla+ so let me rephrase

[humble rampart]

nice

[lunar sluice]

its something that i think wouldnt meaningfully change peoples opinions if it was always in the game from the start

adding like 10 new jokers for example

[full edge]

Consumable bloat is the main thing to deal with if you're playing with multiple mods, for sure.

[worn bone]

i come from the minecraft modding scene where vanilla+ also has lost all meaning

[keen knoll]

hey thats how many im adding!

[lunar sluice]

i have so many consumables but tbf

i dont think they are that bloated

on account of them being inversions

runes are the only real new consumable set and they dont even have booster packs

[worn bone]

yeah, runes not taking up their own booster pack also helps a lot

ninja’d

[royal sun]

i cannot mod for my life but i did love cc on minecraft and hence is my only own made code

[full edge]

Vanilla+ is a concept that can't be defined at all, honestly. Even more so in a game that doesn't get patched regularly, so there's nothing to measure against besides a static pool. There's no patterns over time at all

[humble rampart]

i dont like new consumables and enhancements because if i play a lot of mods at once theyre in their own little bubble of interactivity and its boring to me. like wow i got a consumable that doesnt do anything outside is mod, fuck me i guess

[plush hound]

is my mod vanilla leaning

[worn bone]

even in minecraft where the game does get updates regularly vanilla+ is still so hard to define

[lunar sluice]

no

[worn bone]

i see people call create packs vanilla+ and

no??????

[full edge]

Vanilla+ to me is generally just something that's comfortably in line with balatro's aesthetics, more so than anything. But I don't ever use the term, really

[lunar sluice]

this is why i add inversions to every mod that i feel like doing that for

infinite crossmod potential

[obsidian sky]

i'm gonna make a vanilla- mod.

[wanton rapids]

nomoremult:

[obsidian sky]

that can't be real

[keen knoll]

cryptposting

[humble rampart]

they did that already and it just removes all basegame content

[shy nebula]

hi should i make nxkoo 2

[wanton rapids]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1380780133018767450

[royal sun]

@humble rampart i have had to disable mods because of the consumables at some points but i do like having them sometimes sry for the ping

[lost inlet]

i'm scared of jokers being too hard to find from adding a consumable type to the shop

[worn bone]

ortalab quartz stake

[lunar sluice]

being able to use flipside on any consumable you find within reason is nice

[keen knoll]

i dont think cloning is a thing yet

[obsidian sky]

wait wait wait. did they make NoItemBloat for balatro

[lunar sluice]

but also it makes twisted packs more interesting

[full edge]

I mean, that's basically always the case with enhancements, right? The base game doesn't have them inherently have a lot of specific interaction either? Though I definitely see the point. Of there are a lot, they can definitely feel like they're too difficult to consistently interact with

[humble rampart]

reply seemed easier but sure

[wanton rapids]

wtf is noitembloat

[keen knoll]

banner? ig

[rough harbor]

1+1=?

[royal sun]

so i somewhat understand where you are coming from scott

[shy nebula]

nxkoo is an ai

[lunar sluice]

enhancements are usually in their own little bubble anyway outside of a singular joker sometimes

except thats only the case for like 3 enhancements

[ornate bone]

we should hide insane comments within the source code of mods.

[full edge]

#1353866504743161886 was made to specifically solve that by always resetting the joker spawn Rate to vanilla's 😋

[wanton rapids]

i feel like i have a few filler designs in fluff but it's probably fine

[shy nebula]

god implementing a sticker is a pain

[worn bone]

WAIT IT DOES

[keen knoll]

yea i mean theres only one or two jokers that target each enhancement in vanilla

[royal sun]

that would arguably be funny

[keen knoll]

and nothing for wild cards

[lost inlet]

oh nice

[humble rampart]

the thing with vanilla enhancements is that mods can interact with them. i can make a joker that does stuff with wild cards but how and why would i add a joker that interacts with felt cards from poblobi's pack of silliness

[lunar sluice]

btw why doesnt it work like that without glue

[ornate bone]

like "A big fat hack approaches."

"todo: fix this god forsaken subroutine."

[lunar sluice]

ig its because

it depends on what you want

[full edge]

Yeah, that's the core functionality, hahaha. The rest is just fluff

[lunar sluice]

but you have to make a decision somewhere

and i feel like jokers being consistent is a better decision to make

[wanton rapids]

say that again...

[worn bone]

you can make the joker only exist with the mod installed! make your joker interact with felt cards
you can do what you want forever

[keen knoll]

im also planning to add a custom consumable type to my mod lol

[wanton rapids]

its not funny if comments like that are forced

[obsidian sky]

i once made a mod for a game that "fixes the issue of having too many items when playing modded" by removing all vanilla items and called it noitembloat. fast forward to 2-3 years later when i find out that two other people made mods for two other games that mimicked my mod down to the description. it was so funny

[worn bone]

i want to make jokers like that tbh

[humble rampart]

yeah but not everyone is doing that

most no one is doing that

[worn bone]

they should

[humble rampart]

because why would you

[ornate bone]

well true.

[worn bone]

because its fun
i love crossmod jokers

[granite forum]

if you add consuambles they should have as low as frequency as possible
Even sidegrade tarots should be 0.5 weight to appear less often

[keen knoll]

if bloat bothers you that much then use banner or something

[keen knoll]

me too

[full edge]

Vanilla doesn't have to cate about that, and Smods' doesn't want to make that design choice, I think

[worn bone]

but then they never show up

[keen knoll]

well wb the booster packs for the consumables

[lunar sluice]

i mean as i said smods has to make a choice somewhere

there isnt 1 objective option and one subjective option

[granite forum]

nah the shop rate

[full edge]

But generally, any form of playing many mods together will unbalance the shop in a way that you need to address as a player

[lunar sluice]

the choice to make it not be the case is still a decision that you have to make

[granite forum]

booster pack rate down too but nor by much

[lunar sluice]

just because thats how it works already i mean

[humble rampart]

my point is that if i get a lucky card i know that theres jokers for it, and if i have a lot of mods theres probably even more lucky card jokers
if i find out i have a lemon card with 5 jokers from one mod, what thefuck do i do with that

[lunar sluice]

theres things about vanilla already changed afaik

with negative playing cards

[worn bone]

cool and original idea: ooo guys what if they only showed up in the shop with a voucher

[keen knoll]

well you could just make it never appear in the shop without a voucher

oh

[worn bone]

i cant wait to get 10 of these instead of something useful like grabber

[wanton rapids]

can negative playing cards ever actually show up in vanilla?

[full edge]

Yeah, I know, but the design choice is already made implicitly and adhered to, more so. Regardless of whether that's the best decision

[granite forum]

yeah, mods aren’t all balanced around each other at all so crazy synergies can immerge that are unintentional and unbalanced

[keen knoll]

no

[granite forum]

only perkeo

[lunar sluice]

i think its the same sort of situation

[keen knoll]

its explicitly stated as being a smods addition in the docs

[wanton rapids]

❌

[lunar sluice]

doesnt matter for vanilla so you may aswell make the decision in the favor of what works best for mods instead of what is already the case

but idk how other people feel about that

i know the negative playing cards thing was something some people cared very strongly about in the past

[granite forum]

really? Must be very rare then to get negatives in shop
I thought perkeo was the only way

[worn bone]

wait hang on is this why i lose so much in modded and feel like i never have enough jonklers

[wanton rapids]

perkeo doesnt touch playing cards

[full edge]

I more so mean that the game can get flooded by consumables that want you to use multiple to interact, which the shop is too small for. Gaining +1 mult for each tarot used is a lot less useful if there's 10 consumables all reducing general spawn rate

[woven crag]

they cant but they existed in a trailer

and theyre also

[granite forum]

playing cards
Me dumb

[woven crag]

very wierd in vanilla

as in they dont fucking work

[humble rampart]

very nice

[lunar sluice]

thunk removed them for a reason

i could go on and on about it but basically tl;dr

you cant balance them

[keen knoll]

you can use glue for modpacks to patch the issue up a bit

[humble rampart]

yeah really

[lunar sluice]

not without modifying every mod and also a lot of vanilla

[full edge]

I mean, it's not just jokers, the opposite issue becomes that it starts suppressing tarots and planets. I think it'd need a pretty thorough system to really account for it

[lunar sluice]

probably

[worn bone]

yeah planets being rare is super fucked

[lunar sluice]

i would prefer it keeping jokers consistent since they are more important but a better solution than even that would be ideal

[full edge]

😋

[granite forum]

Death and a negative card is +2 steel kings to your hand, scaling indefinitely
Negative is so unbalanced on playing cards

[worn bone]

you kinda need planets

[keen knoll]

do not eat the glue

[shy nebula]

type erasure

[woven crag]

i love infinite hand size 😋

[lunar sluice]

negative playing cards are bad because it gets easier to get more the more you have

so you just start

[full edge]

I made the glue, I can eat it if I want to

[lunar sluice]

scaling and scaling faster and faster until your whole deck is negative

and you have infinite hand size

[humble rampart]

ngl sometimes i just boot up a run and make a negative steel red seal king cuz i feel like it

[worn bone]

what if negative playing cards were +card selection instead

[keen knoll]

eating glue isnt healthy

[lunar sluice]

opening an arcana pack and getting 50 negatives drawn to hand makes it basically guaranteed that you now have 51 negatives

if you find a death

[humble rampart]

thats dramatically worse

[woven crag]

i mean

[lunar sluice]

selection limit is useless in vanilla outside of discarding

[woven crag]

its more balanced than hand size

[keen knoll]

-# youre gonna hate rift raft then

[granite forum]

now trib and idol are even better because suddenly you can play all the cards held in hand and get near double of what baron can produce

[woven crag]

you get more on scoring effects though? thats not useless

[full edge]

Negative playing cards also create loops where you can use death and draw 30 cards each hand, which the game just doesn't want you to do

[lunar sluice]

+2-11 chips when youre at a stage where you can make negative playing cards is not really useful

[lost inlet]

cryptid adds an entire mechanic to make selection limit better

[humble rampart]

stepping in a bear trap is more fun that being nuked sure

[granite forum]

selection limit is good guys

[lunar sluice]

thats what i was referring to

[granite forum]

only reason held in hand is better is because it can scale and starts 3 higher

[lunar sluice]

after a certain tipping point it becomes a feedback loop where every death you get it basically guaranteed to increase the amount of negatives you have which just makes the chance even higher

[obsidian sky]

i mean. it's +2-11 chips and an extra red seal glass polychrome idol bloodstone whatever else trigger

[full edge]

Ah, sorry, must've missed that

[woven crag]

infinite negative steels

i love balance

[lunar sluice]

not polychrome

negative is an edition

[humble rampart]

• whatever retriggers you have

[obsidian sky]

oh right not polychrome

[humble rampart]

that is so not the point of the message tho

[lavish pike]

triangle has good ideas

[worn bone]

+hand selection also lets you do the funni four fingers thing and play straight flushes and stuff easier

[lunar sluice]

i mean sure but

[granite forum]

it is still really good and naneinf runs would depend on it

[humble rampart]

good lord

[woven crag]

would jokerless naneinf actually be like reasonably possible if negative playing cards existed
because yknow. infinite steels

[worn bone]

what would create them

aura?

[full edge]

I should get back to figuring out the proper math for #1353866504743161886 and see if I can make an option to do things dynamically. Ideally, I'd want there to be an option that expands the shop in a way that makes assumed spawn rates remain somewhat similar to what they'd be in vanilla. Or vanilla + only that mod, I guess

[lunar sluice]

most builds that are strong enough to not die on ante 12 benefit less from the hand played and more from just having 50 billion cards in hand

[humble rampart]

sure honestly

[dense egret]

what the evil plant will do?

[lunar sluice]

theres like 2 good builds in this game

[keen knoll]

make it X3

[humble rampart]

if you get enough fuckin steels

[lavish pike]

2.5

[worn bone]

so then what if you played 50 billion cards

[lunar sluice]

i mean sure play 50 billion cards but thats not easy

[woven crag]

if you would just pull an early red seal steel negative (probably seeded but still)

you just

win

[granite forum]

You would need about 1000 negative cards in deck with steel and red seal

[humble rampart]

see also:
Ramen, Cavendish, The Duo, The Trio,

[obsidian sky]

all ace cards are debuffed

[woven crag]

just lock in

also

plasma

[granite forum]

mmm fair

[woven crag]

and getting 500 isnt THAT bad you can just add cards and convert them for free with death

[worn bone]

chats whats your favorite modded mechanic just. in concept

not even how it plays just the concept of the mechanic

[woven crag]

just get like magic trick or smth

[lavish pike]

All face cards are debuffed, draw all face cards first

[humble rampart]

the linked cards from bunco are pretty cool

if i could fuckin use tarots on them

[lost inlet]

forcetriggers

[humble rampart]

but i cant so

[worn bone]

YEAH

[lunar sluice]

you need like 400 with plasma

[obsidian sky]

honestly can we get negative blinds

[humble rampart]

+1 boss blind

double up

eat shit

[magic gale]

no there’s a few viable builds in balala

[worn bone]

they would be so much better if you could use tarots on them but also how tf do you ui that

[dense egret]

XD

[magic gale]

for naneinf?

[obsidian sky]

reminds me of when i found out that going down an ante on 8 makes you fight two showdown blinds in a row

[lunar sluice]

most of them are the same thing

[magic gale]

that’s true tbh

[worn bone]

for example, flush- i am beaten to death with hammers

[lunar sluice]

baron mime, perkeo observatory, ectoplasm ankh

[woven crag]

baron mime and observatory perkeo (usually both at once)

[dense egret]

wait i think this shit already exist

[woven crag]

thats it

[humble rampart]

i like doing that its fun

[lavish pike]

damn

[lunar sluice]

all 3 of these general strategies barely benefit if not get harmed by playing more cards

[ornate bone]

Oh I thought of a stupid idea for a joker designed to hinder the player

[full edge]

Oh man I truly dislike bunco's linked cards. Really like the rest of the mod but the linked cards never play like I want them to, haha

[quartz wasp]

im pretty happy with this little guy. boss blinds are badass

[magic gale]

perkeo stencil ankh :3

[lunar sluice]

yeah thats ectoplasm ankh

[ornate bone]

RESET BUTTON

Resets the ante to 1 and destroys all jokers in hand.

[obsidian sky]

chaos the clown if he was awesome

[lunar sluice]

ectoplasm ankh will work with most xmult jokers if you have enough time

[magic gale]

woaow

[woven crag]

you dont even need stencil its been done with cavendish right

[full edge]

Also, I'm very biased, but my favorite modded mechanic is Counters and more mods should use them

[worn bone]

counters?

like, the mtg system?

[full edge]

Somewhat, yeah

[humble rampart]

counters

[full edge]

They're in Kino

[humble rampart]

the thing that counts

[quartz wasp]

do i have your blessing to use counters in Grimoire if i ever figure out how to think with my brain again?

[lavish pike]

I have a challenge idea where every blind is the pillar

[wanton rapids]

the ever-reliable Blockbuster:

[ornate bone]

Counters. like poison which lowers the card value until you get the counter off your card.

[humble rampart]

also hey askedforit

[full edge]

And I made an API for them #1406740128231194644

[woven crag]

triangle

[humble rampart]

sup

[wanton rapids]

eris

[lavish pike]

tringle

[wanton rapids]

poison counters which destroy a card once it has 10 on it

[full edge]

Oh, no need to ask, haha, absolutely go ahead

[lost inlet]

one of the primary motivations for me making my mod is making it so baron mime isn't the only thing that can easily go deep into endless

[lunar sluice]

not like i like endless, but the extra benefit of 6 cards compared to 5 is a lot lower when youre not going into endless

its still a positive but like

[wanton rapids]

actually this could be interesting. partial card destruction could still probably be playable

[obsidian sky]

what if there was a mod that adds dice that can be dragged onto cards to make them do things based on dice value

[plush hound]

can someone just make a mod that ends the run in Ante 8

[lunar sluice]

youre not getting red seal glass bloodstone ancient joker all of that shit before ante 12

also

[full edge]

Poison counters lower your total score atm. Fire counters destroy your card once they reach 10 counters, atm

[humble rampart]

can i see an example im curious

[lost inlet]

and also just making endless mode more fun

[lunar sluice]

it has the same problem

[wanton rapids]

Hm....

[plush hound]

like no endless button

[lunar sluice]

where with enough of them and some hand size upgrades it gets reall y crazy

you can play like 16 cards or something without glitches probably

[full edge]

Meta's working on that, no?

[lunar sluice]

idk if thats an accurate max

[wanton rapids]

oh yeah that's better theming probably

[lunar sluice]

no

you could play your whole deck

[humble rampart]

i made a joker specifically for buffing red seal steel king builds

[lunar sluice]

by duping bean

[humble rampart]

evil laugh

[worn bone]

red seal polychrome steel king joker,,,

[lunar sluice]

i still think this is way too op even if duping bean itself is an odd strategy

you can play so many extra cards

[full edge]

Though Fire counters do tick up themselves, so it's not entirely an mtg poison match up, haha

[humble rampart]

held red seal polychrome steel kings of spades set score to NaNinf

common

[lost inlet]

this joker which is only obtainable in endless mode

[lunar sluice]

the best balatro mod is better

{1e308}1e308 mult

common

[wanton rapids]

i mean it's probably good to have them do something on their own so if you sell the source they aren't useless

[worn bone]

score = 1e308

[humble rampart]

charon from hades the videogame specifically or charon from greek myth broadly

[shy nebula]

{{1}}1e308 mult

[hard plank]

i found something https://www.samsung.com/galaxyace/main.html

[quartz wasp]

i have a rare joker in my mod that gives you +1 card selection but i feel like anything past that would probably get a bit excessive

[worn bone]

fuck you X0 Mult

[quartz wasp]

i mean it does stack but there isnt a great reason to

it does let you play three pair and fuller house though which i think is funny

[lunar sluice]

not a thing you can do

in balatro

[hard plank]

why are they in a dome

[manic summit]

aaaaa

[lost inlet]

greek myth broadly

[worn bone]

if there was a spectral card that was +1 card selection -1 joker slot would you use it

[lunar sluice]

no

[manic summit]

No

[wanton rapids]

no

[lost inlet]

i might still change the flavor

[hard plank]

no

[humble rampart]

i have a guy that gives you +2 hand size per skipped booster pack the last shop and hes prolly my favorite joker ive made

[wanton rapids]

card selection is okay? but jokers are better

[lunar sluice]

i dont think i would ever take -1 joker slots unless i was guaranteed to win which is boring anyway

[obsidian sky]

just use it at 5 jokers 🔥

[humble rampart]

5 eternals

[lunar sluice]

i mean sure

[humble rampart]

still nerfs ectoplasm actually

nvm

[lunar sluice]

in this one specific circumstance

out of like 1 trillion

its good

but im never gonna get there anyway im a casual

i play on white stake

[royal sun]

i guess its supposed to be a bubble,

[obsidian sky]

honestly still more applicable than obelisk

[worn bone]

-2 obelisk is goated

[humble rampart]

if it has one use case out of a trillion then its balanced, have you heard of this combo called incantation hologram?

[lunar sluice]

incantation is good outside of hologram

[humble rampart]

ive never used it outside it

[wanton rapids]

obelisk is good but i hate it

[lunar sluice]

best spectral no way but people who think incantation is bad are stupid

[humble rampart]

not once

[worn rain]

i hate obelisk

[humble rampart]

same

[lunar sluice]

ive used incantation many times

[obsidian sky]

incantation is being my goat on abandoned deck. and when i'm preparing for driver's license

[lost inlet]

real

[humble rampart]

obelisk is so fucking needy

holy shit

[lunar sluice]

obelisk is good if you get it early and never good any other time

[humble rampart]

if i see an early obelisk i reset

bad omen

[quartz wasp]

how are people so productive this + 4 seals is all i have in like a month of work

i see people churning out mods with like 100 jokers and theyre all good

[worn bone]

ive only made three jokers 😭

[delicate dust]

something sometrhing quality over quantity

[lunar sluice]

it took me like

6 months to make 100 jokers

[worn bone]

if obelisk is so bad why does it have a stake sticker

checkmate, atheist

[lunar sluice]

among other things that i added

[hard plank]

oops not again

[royal sun]

huh

[quartz wasp]

i find it so hard to come up with ideas that havent already been done in existing mods

[lunar sluice]

i dont play many mods tbh

[hard plank]

sorry my phone is silly

[exotic belfry]

To be fair you are doing everything yourself

[worn bone]

go batshit insane

[quartz wasp]

i guess that's true

[worn bone]

add the autism hand

[lunar sluice]

even with my stubbornness ive had to get a lot of help

[hard plank]

it's ok i feel you

[wanton rapids]

it took me 18 months to make like 80 jokers

[humble rampart]

i make NO seals, NO editions, NO consumables, NO enhancements. and if i dont come up with something i KILL someone.

[obsidian sky]

it's like people who draw the fucking mona lisa on a daily basis and then post it online like "quick doodle teehee :)"

[delicate dust]

same thats why i stopped

among other reasons

[visual kindle]

That's the easiest

[hard plank]

i still love my 3 megapixels photos

[worn bone]

one of my jokers is literally just taken from a bsky post somebody else made

[lunar sluice]

i mean sure it might be demotivating when people can do good things quickly but you could do that

if you keep doing it

it just takes time

[humble rampart]

robinstar galactica

[royal sun]

i am sorry why tf is your phone sending data about it self

[obsidian sky]

you can't be doing this to me

[worn bone]

my biggest issue is coming up with rewards for jokers because my brain will not come up with reasonable +mult or +chips or xMult

[humble rampart]

marble joker in buffoon pack

[crude verge]

Drill

[worn bone]

i fucking came up with Xhandlevel

is xhandlevel good

[humble rampart]

rocket crash landed

oops

[wanton rapids]

xhandlevel is busted because it's permanent

unless it's not

[worn bone]

oh no its temporary xhandlevel

[humble rampart]

i have like one single scaling Xmult joker

[delicate dust]

Xmoney when

[lunar sluice]

xanything thats permanent is busted which is why hermit has a cap

[crude verge]

recordatory, the mod im working on is like a... "balatro alternate universe"

[shy nebula]

perma ^^^hand level

[wanton rapids]

=$ ages ago

[humble rampart]

fucking everything i have is utility jokers

[delicate dust]

actauly?

[hard plank]

it's in the wrong format

[lavish pike]

Are these concepts good?

[lunar sluice]

i actually do have 1 xperm thing in entropy and its

[worn bone]

its xhandlevel just for the current hand, “hand acts as though it has double the hand level”

[royal sun]

its still readable but yes

[lunar sluice]

the xlevel chips and xlevel mult planets

but they are inceredibly hard to abuse

without perkeo

[lavish pike]

New Joker is called Prime factor Decomposition

[lunar sluice]

and even then you need a lot of perkeo triggers

[hard plank]

gboard broke

[humble rampart]

See also : wee joker, runner, square joker, castle

repaint looks fine if weak

[lunar sluice]

its like 1.2x for a random hand

so yea

low

[obsidian sky]

need a joker that gives xgamespeed. or xvolume

[shy nebula]

new joker should be rare
repaint is okey

[worn bone]

doesnt paya’s have that

[humble rampart]

xgameresolution

[wanton rapids]

see pta / morefluff

[royal sun]

you up at 9 am. yeah you may wanna delete those whilst encrypted it does display stuff

[obsidian sky]

truly, nothing is original 😔

[lunar sluice]

i mean

[tranquil vessel]

concept seems good, but you'll def need to tweak the numbers

[hard plank]

my mod doesnt have any of those

[lunar sluice]

if you reduce things down to being only the effect and not the condition then sure

[lavish pike]

:| Rare? for a scaling +chips joker?
There are common jokers that can give a lot of + chips but ok

[lunar sluice]

at that point every joker is either four fingers, joker, blue joker, or gold joker

[humble rampart]

wee joker is literally the best scaling +chips

[shy nebula]

https://balatrowiki.org/w/Wee_Joker

[worn bone]

x10 mult if your name is paul 🔥

[storm forum]

?

[humble rampart]

if its satire im killing ruby

[lavish pike]

ok fine

[hard plank]

?

[tranquil vessel]

you just made a 5x better wee joker

[humble rampart]

yeah really

[lavish pike]

ok ok

+5 chips tho

[royal sun]

at the very top it says 2025:09:26 00:36:04 +07:00

[humble rampart]

still better than wee

works with like 4 or 5 ranks instead of

[royal sun]

i miss read that

lol

[lunar sluice]

wee isnt the best rare so maybe its fine if you just make it rare

[humble rampart]

2s

[lunar sluice]

idk

[hard plank]

i mean it's in the file name

[worn bone]

creating Wii joker that gives +8 chips when played U is scored

[worn bone]

w
wait holy shit

[humble rampart]

if you're determined to make it a common you could get away with making it +3 chips per ranked PLAYED

[worn bone]

aikoyori add this

[lunar sluice]

i think a bigger issue is that it just supersedes wee by being the same concept but with more ranks

but if thats what you want then sure

[royal sun]

it says unkown on discord but if you open said file it says your android version and time

[hard plank]

ah

[lunar sluice]

you would almost always want this over wee unless you already have all 2s

[humble rampart]

more like +2 honestly

+10 chips per hand for playing specific ranks seems

aight

[hard plank]

probably just image metadata idk

[humble rampart]

middle ground of square and runner

[hard plank]

what android version am i on

[royal sun]

if its your gboard you could force downgrade the version

[lavish pike]

#🎨・fan-art message
I had this idea

[hard plank]

idk lol

[lavish pike]

Is this any better

[hard plank]

pasting from clipboard seems to work just fine

[royal sun]

Android BP2A.250605.031.A3.S938B********

[lavish pike]

Im not planning on making something super good like the other effect for the joker

[plush hound]

alright watch this swag

[lavish pike]

and ik the formatting is a bit off but idc

[plush hound]

imma beat this record

[royal sun]

i censored the last part because its somewhat personal to device

[worn bone]

chartreuse joker:
+0.01 glop on discard
+1 sfark on hand played

[humble rampart]

see also: trading card, spare trousers, immolate, hanged man, flash card

[lavish pike]

T-T

[dense cedar]

he lp my g\ame crash£s wh, en i cont.inye ,gam/e

[hard plank]

yeah the paste from menu works

[obsidian sky]

flea joker - gains +10 chips every time a face card with hair is scored

[lavish pike]

Im trying

[wanton rapids]

absurd deck thinning

[humble rampart]

no im saying its good to have jokers to compare roles of

[worn bone]

what

[lavish pike]

GOD DAMNIT I CANT MAKE A COMMON JOKER

why cant i think of something that isnt as good

[hard plank]

1 ISN'T A PRIME NUMBER

[humble rampart]

11 is

[hard plank]

AAAAAAAA

[dense cedar]

i be g

[worn bone]

its not composite either though

[shy nebula]

Exusiai [Omegalegendary]

-# Transcend all Blinds.
-# ^2 Chips and Mult. Increase operator level when a hand is played. ^2 self's values when cards are discarded.

Transcended Blinds has {Current Ante}{sum of hands and discards} size.

Boss Blinds has additional abilities.

[worn rain]

FUCK 😭

[lavish pike]

thats why i put it after 7, and not before

[royal sun]

s938b is codename for the region/device as for the first part bp2a 250605 that is the version you are on or supposed to be last part of it 8 missing is more personal or thats how it usually is

[humble rampart]

being narcicistic here but i think +2 chips per rank played (not scored) would be fine honestly

[humble rampart]

between square and runner

in power and specificity

[hard plank]

s25 ultra is sm s938b yep

bp2a seems to just say android 16

[royal sun]

ahhh and then security patch i suppose

[lavish pike]

idk how I could make that

[royal sun]

that makes sense

[shy nebula]

@main path

Aikoyori go play Arknights now

[humble rampart]

i mean im not a coder but i cant imagine itd be that hard

probably similar to vampire

[hard plank]

maybe this

[hard plank]

i did say next week

[lavish pike]

I cant find a variable that has played card rank

[shy nebula]

Ok

[royal sun]

oh yeah def those last numbers/letters is region rom specific

tho

[humble rampart]

thats gotta be wrong

aint no way

[hard plank]

i mean you can kinda install any on your device

if you know how

[royal sun]

i can tell you No

[hard plank]

just need the phone model to match i believe

[royal sun]

for reason of compoment difference

[shy nebula]

You can get card rank

[hard plank]

exact model

[shy nebula]

By using get id

Or something

[lavish pike]

idk what that means

[hard plank]

as in exact model number must be the same

[shy nebula]

Then put it in a table

[eager berry]

actually thats not hard but not as first thing you want to code

[humble rampart]

faire

[lavish pike]

treat me like im thick, but not in a ride way

[hard plank]

I'm pretty sure component differences have different model numbers

[teal patrol]

i'm wondering how to balance a joker i'm making
basically it turns another joker into a negative version of itself when blind is selected and gives 1 mult for each copy of itself per hand
the thing is idk how to balance it because it's mult goes off the rails and is totally unbalanced when eternal jokers are thrown in

[humble rampart]

supernlunder

[royal sun]

here is how my phone work not sure if thats the case anymore for samsung but when i installed the incorrect regional rom wifi got disabled then it was photo over sms

[humble rampart]

negatives are hell

[hard plank]

not balanced at all

[teal patrol]

yea ik

[humble rampart]

negative jokers are even more hell

save yourselr

[teal patrol]

here's what i'm thinking: just make it give +3 mult. no scaling shenanigans

[hard plank]

the sign points towards Cryptid

[humble rampart]

making negative jokers is already enough of a power

[dense cedar]

can someoine hel;p when i press continu;e my game crashes

[teal patrol]

i swear to Jimbo i'm not trying to make Cryptid 2: The Crypting

[hard plank]

make a random joker negative

that's already better than any legendary

??

[teal patrol]

yall didn't listen

[humble rampart]

ive heard this somewhere before

[royal sun]

i think you are correct tho. it seems to be metadata that is in the wrong format. not sure what is the correct format

[teal patrol]

it does make negatives

[humble rampart]

a spectral card maybe

[teal patrol]

but they're just negative copies of itself

[hard plank]

why does it need to give +3 Mult

[eager berry]

the tip is: you may see how similar things made in game or in other mods and try to redact code for your own ideas

[hard plank]

oh

[humble rampart]

thats still temperance value

[hard plank]

temperance value

[humble rampart]

you can have it be just that

[teal patrol]

yea true

[lavish pike]

yeah ok

[hard plank]

also abstract scaling

[wanton rapids]

philosophical joker is playable

[lavish pike]

what should I name my mod

[humble rampart]

and gift card

[teal patrol]

kinda debating making it have sell price set to 1 dollar when you have it but that feels too complicated

[wanton rapids]

good modname

[humble rampart]

and swash

[lavish pike]

names are my least faviorite thing to do

[hard plank]

gudbalatromod

[royal sun]

the one time negative went out of hand was when i started gaining 40 jokers each round and had to continue selling jokers

[lavish pike]

yeah, but one small tweak
gud's balala

[hard plank]

please play my mod

[humble rampart]

mine is called Surrealisms because i use a lot of surrealist paintings as inspiration

[lavish pike]

I have

[teal patrol]

yea that's basically impossible to happen with my joker because it cannot convert it's copies because... that does nothing

[royal sun]

it was the same run where i had to wait 2 hours for it to calculate

[humble rampart]

does it have to be itself

like whats the concept

[teal patrol]

yea

[humble rampart]

like the art/name

[teal patrol]

the concept is Abomination Nation from horse race tests, which spreads itself to other horses it touches

[hard plank]

i wish balatro was

[teal patrol]

the joker of it is meant to simulate this and be a spreading virus

[lavish pike]

what licence do people put in their repositories

[royal sun]

i cannot remember what it was but i belive it was jolly jokers

[hard plank]

only horse race i know of is Uma Musume

[dense cedar]

pls help

[royal sun]

i just kept gaining more of them

[humble rampart]

only horse race i know of is my ranch yeehaw

[hard plank]

British people

[humble rampart]

are you british yet

[royal sun]

[lavish pike]

I am

[wind sun]

yet

[lavish pike]

yes

[teal patrol]

tbh i think in the end i'm just gonna lower the amount of mult per clone and make it sell for jack shit

[lavish pike]

you will be british

[royal sun]

nah they haven't eaten fishnchips yet

[lavish pike]

this is a threat

[lavish pike]

i dont like fish or beans >:P

[wind sun]

b e a n s

[humble rampart]

speaking from experience dont bother with negative jokers

theyre impossible to balance

[royal sun]

ahhh ye beans on toast

can't forget that

[dense cedar]

beans on toast actually tastes good

[teal patrol]

i know it's hard but i've thought this out and, in my opinion, it's balanced

[royal sun]

i agree on that

and so is fishnchips in all honesty

[lament talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852038736664723476/1420831590766084106/2025-09-25_13-55-56.mp4?ex=68d6d409&is=68d58289&hm=28c892ebbba3f4b55d92217ccbb4b52a32a423c4ff6a691214fd65ee8e6e9dfd&
showing this off because it's pretty awesome I think

[wind sun]

yeah it just does not look delightful

[teal patrol]

actually fuck it

hold up

[humble rampart]

its exponential growth of infinite negative jokers that give mult isnt it

[royal sun]

no it looks shit but its fucking good as hell

[dense cedar]

you just havnt seen good fish n chips from the chippy

[teal patrol]

i mean yea but the thing is you can only get +5 at max per round

a few more if you have an extra joker slot but good luck lmao

[humble rampart]

the copies dont copy themselved?

[hard plank]

please

[royal sun]

the worse it looks often results in it being better when it comes to british food

[eager berry]

open mod
instead of playing balatro playing klondike

[teal patrol]

no they do they just need another joker to assimilate

[humble rampart]

what the fuck is going on

[teal patrol]

why are they blank

[lavish pike]

🔥 react this

[humble rampart]

then that sounds fundamentallyn anti-sinergistic

[lavish pike]

I cant for some reason