#🏆・jimbos-invitational

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wicked hamlet
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is it stackable?

mellow echo
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I was just about to pitch this

winged pasture
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Stackable

wicked hamlet
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might actually work (numbers edited)

mellow echo
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Taking a skip makes all blinds permanently larger

tender musk
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double tag with that would be a lot

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thats what makes double tag so fun lmao

winged pasture
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We're going to be living in a different universe when evab is done

lapis remnant
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I feel like permanence is something better left to vouchers

mellow echo
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permanent +1 hand is too strong
but permanent bonus something is the correct idea

lapis remnant
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that feels like a bit too much in the other direction imo

raven pier
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Next let’s remove the cap from the money doubler /j

winged pasture
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+1 hand size permanent

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Add negative to a current Joker

tender musk
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permanent bonuses or optionally-permanent bonuses

lapis remnant
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I mean +3 hands/discards seems fair rn

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they are weak but they're meant to be one round boosts

winged pasture
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How about remove 5 cards from your deck

raven pier
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If you select them

winged pasture
raven pier
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Otherwise it’s just worse Immolate

lapis remnant
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ah

mellow echo
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How does +1 Hand Size compare to +1 Hand?

winged pasture
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I think hand size is probably more powerful

main mirage
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essay incoming, should i wait for people to finish this thought

lapis remnant
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yes

mellow echo
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+1 Hand feels more powerful to me, but it's really close

winged pasture
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Nah I think we are on the same page with brainstorming big balance change ideas

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We can do that later

tender musk
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go ahead evab! ship us away

winged pasture
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🚢

main mirage
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I agree Tags are great in concept, because breaking one of the normal roguelike gameplay cycles for a risk is very cool and can add a lot of tension to a run while being an experience not offered in other games. That being said, breaking a normal roguelike cycle is also one of the reasons why designing and polishing such a system is really difficult - there are no already established conventions we can follow, even loosely, because we've seen them work in other games.

Here's what you have to take into account with this skip tag system:

You are missing a shop.

  • No Jokers to improve your build.
  • No packs, which are already limited to 1 per round.
  • No more of the voucher you were offered if you skip Big Blind.
  • Less use of shop is less fun in the shop.

You are missing a round of play.

  • No money.
  • No scaling your jokers/deck.
  • Less rounds played is less fun in those rounds.

This is SO MUCH STUFF to lose in this system. A ridiculous amount. So much of the game revolves around going to the shop, and a decent amount from playing the rounds. Skip tags have to make up for ALL OF THIS somehow - and all of the things I miss out on are exactly what goes through my mind when evaluating whether I take them.

winged pasture
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So what if the tag gives you something that you are specifically hoping for in all those missed opportunities?

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Like a Polychrome for example

main mirage
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that could be an avenue of approach

winged pasture
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Is that when it feels good? Is that why it feels good?

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Or the spectral tag

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That's the same thing - a rare shop find that you can guarantee at a cost

main mirage
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polychrome to me is offering me something that the shop often struggles to give, a little bit of extra power ceiling

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Xmult is great like that

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foil/holo? no

winged pasture
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Is that the design idea that these tags should be trying to fulfil then?

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Some of the tags do - most don't

main mirage
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i think that is one of multiple ways it could approach the issue

tender musk
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i think thats definitely one of the ways

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yeah of multiple

winged pasture
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What other ways?

main mirage
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another way is to somehow tie up a bunch of shop/round value into a single tag, which would take a really strong idea to accomplish

tender musk
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and maybe having a variety is good too

mellow echo
winged pasture
main mirage
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depends how much you're keeping pace already

winged pasture
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Your best round doesn't matter if it's good enough at the end of 8 antes

main mirage
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i could get 1400 to beat BB 2 but if i skipped i'd be short for Boss 2

mellow echo
tender musk
winged pasture
tender musk
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(also hafu has 2 poly hacks right now 😳)

winged pasture
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like the economy tag seems like it's in a good spot

tender musk
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i agree! i like that there's more than one and they work slightly differently

main mirage
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economy tag is funny because it does actually give back some of that missed shop value...because it gives you the opportunity to buy more back from the shop

lapis remnant
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on that note we could combine coupon and d6?

winged pasture
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$40 is a lot of value - do you think it represents more than the lost opportunity cost?

lapis remnant
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miss a shop but make it easier to buy down the line

main mirage
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$40 sounds like it's in the ballpark

winged pasture
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like the $15 tag when a boss is defeated was a 'sometimes take' for a lot of people

mellow echo
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$40 feels too big to me

main mirage
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i wouldn't take it if i had a ton of econ already, but that's just a situational

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i would wager $15 was considered a sometimes take because people remember taking it in ante 1, the most played ante

tender musk
main mirage
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but past ante 2 im never taking

winged pasture
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What if it added $15 per ante?

main mirage
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now we're cooking

winged pasture
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Before we go further though

main mirage
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maybe a bit much but better than flat

winged pasture
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Do changes like these address the issue

main mirage
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don't know, but it's another step in the right direction i think

mellow echo
winged pasture
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And the reason for that is that you can imagine multiple scenarious throughout a run where you would actually prefer that over the missed round value?

wicked hamlet
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i think $15 per ante is excessive

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$10 would work better

main mirage
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i think it's really hard to tell when an idea would solve those listed issues without testing since this system is so unique

winged pasture
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Of course

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But it's still important to pick a direction before I steer the ship that way

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it's a slow ship

main mirage
mellow echo
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If the problem is opportunity cost, convert all that opportunity into a dollar value.
It works for me

winged pasture
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Okay, I think that depends per ante

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interesting idea

mellow echo
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IS WHY it was correct for GLUK to take the Justice over the $50 Temperance

winged pasture
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For ante 1, how much value does a single shop/round bring?

main mirage
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probably not much

winged pasture
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First blush - $12

main mirage
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ties back into our recent conversation on building up econ early game and how you can just ignore the shop for a few rounds

winged pasture
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pulling a number out of the ether

mellow echo
wicked hamlet
winged pasture
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Okay, let's test that. Would you skip for a free holo even steven

wicked hamlet
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just worded badly

main mirage
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here's the formula: divide the ante base score req by 25 to get the cash equivalent :)

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300/25 = 12!

floral bough
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oops ping

main mirage
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don't think about any ante past 1

winged pasture
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lol

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For ante 1 specifically

wicked hamlet
winged pasture
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the holo even steven as a skip reward

main mirage
winged pasture
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Okay because that is about 12 smackers

tender musk
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tags being locked to certain ante thresholds helps the problem out

mellow echo
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In Ante 1, I wouldn't skip for Holo Steven because I can get the same value from garbage Jokers

winged pasture
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How close is it for you

main mirage
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🤔

tulip pebble
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Holo Steven on abandoned, maybe

winged pasture
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What about a holo business card

tender musk
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hmmm

mellow echo
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For a random unknown Holo, I would never take.
For a random but known Holo, I would take the ones I like to build around and would do so even if not Holo.

winged pasture
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What else is about $12

main mirage
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i'd be intrigued enough by a free random holo to test it several times

winged pasture
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A free voucher

tender musk
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the edition being on a random joker does have the problem with being disappointing sometimes

main mirage
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voucher im skeptical for some reason

mellow echo
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wait, I'm not done
I would never take, but I could see a lot of people taking it
and feeling good about it

raven pier
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Two uncommon jokers

main mirage
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despite they have long term value

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oh, probably because i have a similar opportunity in the shop already

tender musk
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what about a free voucher?

main mirage
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i can look at the shop for a voucher AND other things

winged pasture
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All I am trying to do is determine if $12 is the right figure for ante 1

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Not to actually come up with skip ideas

lapis remnant
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maybe ten dollars?

tender musk
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ante 1 i would skip for a known holo joker

lapis remnant
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enough to buy most non editioned jokers, packs, vouchers, etc

main mirage
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well, maybe i'd take a voucher +1 other small thing

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which is also close to $12

winged pasture
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I think $12 is probably a good ballpark to shoot for

mellow echo
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Max money you can get from a round + the cost of a reroll

winged pasture
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Okay so for ante 2, how much does it change

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I agree $12 isn't enough

main mirage
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update: hafu 11 mil

winged pasture
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ooooooooooo

tender musk
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i got an ad break right when she started that hand, odd todd wailing sobbing image

main mirage
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lol

winged pasture
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same lmao

tender musk
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i have missed EVERY single one live so far

main mirage
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to estimate

winged pasture
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My guess is $20

mellow echo
tender musk
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there's too many variables to get an accurate number just thinking about it for me

winged pasture
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And ante 3 my guess would be like $23

main mirage
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🤔

winged pasture
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because shops are less valuable

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the longer you play

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You need specific things that tags might offer

main mirage
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on the contrary, i think ante 3 is where things really start getting good

mellow echo
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In Ante 1, it doesn't matter to me how much each shop contains; I'm not buying any of it.
In Ante 2, it starts to matter, cause now I'm buying all of it

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Ante 3 is where my economy starts to come into play and must consider missing out

winged pasture
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hmmmm

mellow echo
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Like, by Ante 3, I have an econ Joker that I didn't have in Antes 1 and 2

raven pier
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Hafu has a strong run into Cerulean

winged pasture
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So why would ante 3 shops be worth more than ante 2?

raven pier
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Is it enough though?

winged pasture
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Sorry we should be discussing this in game discussion!

raven pier
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No worries

winged pasture
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This should just be for the comp

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No you are good

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we should move

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Please keep updating about Hafu!

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I'm watching her contemplate

tender musk
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the swashbuckler conundrum

winged pasture
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I love that swashbuckler has give and take now

tender musk
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2.9 mil

main mirage
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hang on i'll repost there

wintry topaz
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Morning

main mirage
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morning ☕

winged pasture
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Morning!

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Before you check

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What do you think the standings are

mellow echo
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ballpark some scores

wintry topaz
winged pasture
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Any ballpark scores?

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other than skoottie I guess

tender musk
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dan played 3 glass cards because "why not" and successfully cracked none of them lmao

wintry topaz
lapis remnant
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oof someone's optimistic

winged pasture
wintry topaz
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Dayum

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Clearly people aren't hitting the road enough

wicked hamlet
subtle dagger
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gm

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woah did I just miss that 145 mil?

main mirage
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that was near the beginning

tender musk
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ive been thinking about which jokers that could be switched out for the public demo, and i have some candidates and arguments

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Out

  • Business Card. We already have Reserved Parking for money from faces, and we had BC in the previous demo anyway
  • Trio/Order/Tribe. There's plenty of XMult in this version, and these are the least interesting, plus they take up three whole rare slots

In

  • Sock and Buskin. Face synergy to make the total face synergy jokers equal after Business Card is out, plus retriggers are just really fun
  • Satellite. There's very little celestial/planet synergy, so here's a cool candidate for one, plus a bit more synergy for Bull, which is niche
  • Bootstraps. A good +Mult scaling joker to go with all the XMult and economy jokers.
  • One more planet synergy card, but I'm not sure what for this one. Maybe the unrevealed spaceship joker lol
main mirage
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every raid so far has been raiding one of the players with the message "[their score]???"

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very wholesome

raven pier
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Skoottie just did a high card build for the lols

main mirage
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hafu with the pareidolia/business

wintry topaz
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When did Steel revert back to old steel 😮

tender musk
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recently :)

wintry topaz
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Well I'm off to a 7.10am appointment then I can properly catch up 😄

tender musk
main mirage
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wOW

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holy hell, HACK

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a key component AND retriggers business card

umbral heron
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Ya this hafu run could pop

winged pasture
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Hafu is about to go off this run this is a great start

umbral heron
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Bets in now. I'm going 68 milli

main mirage
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make it 69

umbral heron
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The jokes just can't be that easy

lapis remnant
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make it 70

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no joke for u

main mirage
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make it 71 >:(

lapis remnant
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tbh watch it be like 300k

main mirage
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$68 :(

wicked hamlet
lapis remnant
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also something I've noticed

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a lot of the people like to take the +4 suit jokers when they can and go flush

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which def isn't optimal but ig it's just an easy way to pick a strat and stay with it?

tender musk
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will has a negative banana

wicked hamlet
main mirage
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hafu's build is ridiculous

tender musk
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i saw a 🪲 with her build

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but dammn that money printer

winged pasture
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bull not getting the money bonus?

tender musk
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ye

winged pasture
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Yeah that's known

tender musk
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ah okay

winged pasture
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It's more complex than I hoped

tender musk
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uh oh 😳

lapis remnant
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woah

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with a justice in hand too

raven pier
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Poly red seal six 😢

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From the standard pack

tender musk
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lmaooo

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just get 9 deaths

lapis remnant
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just get 9 strengths

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so you can use it in hack

tender musk
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thats what i meant lmao

lapis remnant
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ah lol

tender musk
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mixed up the word

lapis remnant
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issok

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you are forgiven

tender musk
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thank you

lapis remnant
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anytime

floral bough
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skootie got poly hack

lapis remnant
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the rich get richer

mellow echo
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he ded tho

lapis remnant
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the rich die

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hafu kinda cooking

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two red seals??

raven pier
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Deja Vu from Hafu

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Imagine poly aura

terse flume
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Hufu is on a good run

tender musk
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oh shes still in ante 4

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she has so much time left to get this thing going even harder

zinc crypt
mellow echo
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Hafu Hafu Hafu

lapis remnant
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full house fives full of sixes probably best bet atm

raven pier
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If that natural poly red seal had been compatible with hack it would’ve already been over

lapis remnant
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as full house already upgraded

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another???

winged pasture
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YOOOOO

terse flume
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another red seal lol

winged pasture
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Deja vu AND glass AND a 5

tender musk
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she HAS red seal on glass!!!

main mirage
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sheesh

tender musk
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hack compatible!!!!

mellow echo
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

lapis remnant
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milly easy

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at least

tender musk
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this could be the run

winged pasture
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This has big potential

raven pier
mellow echo
raven pier
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This still is huge but it might be close against Skoottie

tender musk
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she has all of ante 5 to dupe them

lapis remnant
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use the devil

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up that fortune teller

tender musk
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no, keep the devil

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better arcana pack luck

main mirage
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be the devil

lapis remnant
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ope

tender musk
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use devil on the very last hand

lapis remnant
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woah

main mirage
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h o l y

winged pasture
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WHAT

tender musk
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BRAINSTORM

raven pier
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BRAINSTORM

terse flume
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This is goingto be it

lapis remnant
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chat this is the run

raven pier
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it’s over

lapis remnant
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it's so joever

main mirage
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🧠 🌩️

floral bough
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oh wow

wicked hamlet
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ok

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sleep time

mellow echo
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the 11th hour pog

lapis remnant
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I hope cerulean bell doesn't fuck up the big run

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maybe you just get the scoring done ante 5?

raven pier
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Will she go for cerulean? Skoottie didn’t…

lapis remnant
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find out next time on dragon ball z

tender musk
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ante 5 attempt is defo safer

winged pasture
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Seems like the bottleneck here is deck manip once they get glass/red seal right

tender musk
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yeah getting the dupes and thinning

lapis remnant
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yeah and getting glass/seal early

mellow echo
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she's gonna throw by not playing Flush Five 😭

lapis remnant
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I mean level 8 full house tho

main mirage
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how is flush 5 better with 150x14 base again?

lapis remnant
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better than lvl1 fish

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TRY FOR IT NOW

mellow echo
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Extra Glass is huge because double Hack

main mirage
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there were more than 3?

mellow echo
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She has 5

raven pier
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It’ll be close I think

lapis remnant
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the big hand shall be bell

main mirage
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ehhh

lapis remnant
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I dunno Jim

mellow echo
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😭

lapis remnant
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woah

mellow echo
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WHAAAAT

tender musk
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29mil

mellow echo
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no justice

lapis remnant
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29 mil

terse flume
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omg

tender musk
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NO BREAKS

main mirage
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dang

raven pier
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One more chance

tender musk
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SHE HAS A CHANCE

winged pasture
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ONE MORE SHOT

floral bough
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no breaks

lapis remnant
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AHHH

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why am I nervous

floral bough
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idk

winged pasture
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I hope she gets it

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screw you Cerulean Bell!

lapis remnant
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hey that's not nice

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you're making the creator very sad rn

raven pier
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I’m rooting for her

lapis remnant
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one more glass

main mirage
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oh boy the glass

winged pasture
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YOOOOOOO

raven pier
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Justice ;)

lapis remnant
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poly glass six with red

floral bough
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ooh

terse flume
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LETS GOOO

tender musk
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that justice is gonna be hard to use right with bell

lapis remnant
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probably impossible

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but we'll see

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uh oh

tender musk
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nooo

winged pasture
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SMART

raven pier
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Blue seal clutch

mellow echo
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a wild dog appeared

floral bough
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wait blue seal

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wait thats so smart

winged pasture
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omg this is a minefield

main mirage
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OMG

tender musk
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!!!

raven pier
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POG

lapis remnant
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wait maybe

winged pasture
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it'll be close

tender musk
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this is MORE than skoottie

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1 extra trigger

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base hand mult will decide

mellow echo
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Skootter didn't trust in Todd

raven pier
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Skoottie had a lot of Xmult jokers too

floral bough
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🥁

lapis remnant
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my guess is 75 mil

mellow echo
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Skootter had two obelisk at x9 each

tender musk
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oof right..

lapis remnant
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we believe

mellow echo
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Skootter also played his hand on the second to last round because he knew the Bell would ruin it

tender musk
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nooooooooo

main mirage
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F

winged pasture
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lmao

lapis remnant
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59 mil

winged pasture
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F

raven pier
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F

tender musk
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F

umbral heron
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Oh no

floral bough
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F

lapis remnant
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F

zinc crypt
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F

terse flume
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F

winged pasture
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she is so obsessed

mellow echo
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F

winged pasture
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I think she will get it

umbral heron
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Shes having fun

mellow echo
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her econ game is way better than Skootter

scarlet vigil
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Gotta love her determination

umbral heron
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I have no idea what full send temp means in this context, I don't even want to know

main mirage
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i am 100% missing her high score tonight. i have to go to bed with my recent insomnia lmao

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double fool deck is called the magic deck, right?

fluid ibex
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did no one beat skoots score yet?

main mirage
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not yet

floral bough
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not yet

mellow echo
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we had it
and then we dropped it

cinder socket
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Heya, just woke up to see skoottie has 145 mil

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What the hell

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What kind of build did he have??

mellow echo
winged pasture
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no steel strats at all right? I haven't seen much

tender musk
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nope

mellow echo
winged pasture
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Do they know red seal works with it?

tender musk
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probably not lol

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plus no mime

mellow echo
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I told Skoottie and Frost
Dan wasn't ready for that

winged pasture
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lol

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You mean 3rd place podium position Dan?

mellow echo
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black horse, coming up from the rear, Dan

winged pasture
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Skoottie has a good point in Hafus chat

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cerulean bell is like the worst boss for this contest

floral bough
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yea

winged pasture
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although any final boss is pretty bad

floral bough
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it's really evil for this specific scenario

tender musk
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the 8x ante base boss wouldve been the best-case scenario

mellow echo
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I like it for this contest specifically
the risk/reward of
going for the max out early, or getting an extra shop at the cost of facing the Bell

floral bough
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oh yeah violet vessel

tender musk
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bell is more interesting to watch :)

floral bough
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tru

winged pasture
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The contest would've been more akin to the game itself if it was scored by winning with the fewest possible cards/hands played

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and I had that on the board

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Like we discussed for daily run leaderboards

raven pier
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It’s like the killscreen in Tetris competitions - how far can you push a losing battle in order to play the exact hand you need (or clear as much lines as you need)?

mellow echo
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I understood that reference

floral bough
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same here

winged pasture
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we all saw the youtube videos

floral bough
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yep

cinder socket
floral bough
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yep

raven pier
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They also both rely partially on RNG, as the pieces you get are also really important in NES Tetris

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However I think what makes Cerulean Bell frustrating is that it’s much more random, especially when you aren’t trying to prepare for it and are fixated on a high score build

winged pasture
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The lack of a 2 round lead-in hurts a bit (although they know it's coming) as does the different objective of scoring high instead of just winning

cinder socket
floral bough
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i just noticed that scores right now would be way higher if DNA existed

tender musk
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cryptid is the best card-dupe in this version

raven pier
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People are using Death and Cryptid instead

winged pasture
floral bough
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yep

split flax
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If i win this thing I get a skoottie joker, right?

mellow echo
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Agree or disagree:
Hafu's success in these late hours despite not having as much previous experience as Skoottie
is a product of how "readable" the game is

floral bough
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oh hi skoottie

raven pier
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👋

tender musk
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the big man himself

cinder socket
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Oh it's the guy

split flax
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im just here to get justice for baseball man, make him 3x

tender musk
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i could see a baseball card buff yeah

winged pasture
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You want me to juice the ball player?

split flax
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exactly

mellow echo
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juice him

winged pasture
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That sounds about right

tender musk
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like to at least X2

floral bough
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🍹

umbral heron
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I heard from malf that skootie cheated

mellow echo
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put a green alien in the game

split flax
#

alien joker - 'same ability as baseball man but just better'

wintry topaz
#

Mandatory joker drug testing incoming

fluid ibex
winged pasture
#

Also holding a baseball bat

mellow echo
#

also in uniform

tender musk
raven pier
winged pasture
#

Also playing for the Milwaukee Jokers

#

Yeah red seal + steel works

#

oh shit

floral bough
#

?

winged pasture
#

X1.5 mult for each tag you have

floral bough
#

🤔

tender musk
#

🤔

fluid ibex
#

also hi skoottie

winged pasture
#

(unprocced only)

split flax
#

i like that, I do be having like 8 tags because I never take anything lol

floral bough
subtle dagger
#

double tags go brrr haha

winged pasture
#

We just had a massive discussion about tag changes after watching and analyzing a bit

#

I have tags on the brain

split flax
#

I really like the tags, I think the tag deck is my favorite but people keep telling me its bad

#

i think theyre just so varied in power level

tender musk
#

its not as good for a highscore hand

split flax
#

like some i never take and some are like always take

winged pasture
#

If you aren't going for high score only I think it's more fun

fluid ibex
#

i think tag is so so RNG reliant

tender musk
#

its a wacky one

floral bough
#

everything is RNG reliant

tender musk
#

and wacky is fun

split flax
#

I think tag deck will go wild in seeded though

tender musk
#

oh for sure

winged pasture
#

Oh yeah

wicked hamlet
#

wait

#

did someone win

raven pier
#

Especially when people sift through a few trillion seeds to find what they want

fluid ibex
split flax
#

whens pvp coming in the pipeline

winged pasture
#

lmao

cinder socket
#

Hey, just like how there's a "copy leftmost joker ability" joker card, is there one for the right most side?

mellow echo
#

skip to make your opponent suffer

winged pasture
#

SAP style async multiplayer???

floral bough
#

^

winged pasture
#

I have thought about an async multiplayer mode

floral bough
split flax
#

with irl betting mechanics

raven pier
#

There’s really cool design space though
Imagine playing both runs separately and then for the boss blinds you do better if you get more points than your opponent

winged pasture
#

And IRL cards

#

in an IRL building

raven pier
#

Wait, this sounds like something else…

split flax
#

like lego fortnite

raven pier
#

Have you heard of poker?

cinder socket
floral bough
#

nothing

mellow echo
#

the dev confirmed it

winged pasture
#

he's not wrong

#

unfortunately

cinder socket
#

Damn

mellow echo
#

dog jealous
game too fun

split flax
#

hear me out, dnd joker, every time its anywhere from 0x - 4x

winged pasture
#

like randomly?

tender musk
#

offbrand misprint 🤔

winged pasture
#

Misprint but goated

split flax
#

yeah like a d20, there are 20 things it can hit

mellow echo
#

doesn't hit x4 tho, 5% chance to get x8 instead

winged pasture
#

That is literally misprint lmao

#

Misprint could be DND

mellow echo
#

Misprint but with crit

winged pasture
#

then misprint art could go to a random 0-4X joker

floral bough
#

ooh

mellow echo
#

random encounter

winged pasture
#

misprint already has random from 1-20 so the d20 flavour fits so well

floral bough
#

when cool blueprint edition 👀

tender musk
#

misprint with critical success and critical failure

winged pasture
#

Oops! All 20s

mellow echo
#

it has a word popup, too
again nope

split flax
#

on a 1 you just lost instantly

winged pasture
#

re-locks a joker

#

Night yall I'm out this has been a long day

#

Have fun!

tender musk
#

sleep well!

floral bough
#

sleep well

mellow echo
#

🚢

zinc crypt
#

all the new jokers look very cool

mellow echo
#

"You had 40 gold on round 1" -dog
"I've played enough games to know it wasn't good enough" -Hafu

split flax
#

she doesnt know the bull strat

#

(its not good)

mellow echo
#

lol

winged pasture
#

sorry I'm out

split flax
#

theyre on to something

tender musk
#

lol get some rest

mellow echo
#

based

pseudo vapor
#

lmao

golden quiver
tender musk
#

nono, this is the game about slot machines

cinder socket
#

Where's the dash mechanic smh

pseudo vapor
#

Used to love watching the NLSS (Nothernlion Live Super Show) when Hafu was on. Fun to watch her play Balatro

sharp kettle
#

Im surprised to see holagram have an animation while higher tier cards dont

wicked hamlet
#

wait what this isn't about backpack inventory management?

pseudo vapor
#

I kind of like the juxtoposition (big word for the day)

mellow echo
floral bough
#

whats the top left one

#

i forgot the name

pseudo vapor
#

Loving the new artwork

mellow echo
floral bough
#

ooh

mellow echo
#

ahahahahaha

#

go to bed skootter

pseudo vapor
#

I don't know much, but I know that Hafu knows card games and is very competitive

split flax
#

im surprised she was an underdog, probably best strategy game player out of everyone

floral bough
#

yep

mellow echo
#

she's got the "restart for any reason" grindset

split flax
#

thats when the magic starts to fade haha

mellow echo
#

Dog is so excited about Purple Seal, Holographic, Steel Card from Standard pack
Hafu is so over it LOL

floral bough
#

lol

terse flume
#

She's so determined

mellow echo
#

I believe

subtle dagger
#

lmao

#

yep

mellow echo
#

Murph,
Hafu has been on an absolute tear

ionic solar
#

She beat nl 4-1 in champions of fire so nls chat asked "hafu when* for weeks until he invited her on the nlss and everyone loved it

#

Really? I just woke up by accident what's the scores look like?

mellow echo
#

second place is 59 mil, off by only x3 Mult

ionic solar
#

Saw will just wwnt live again too

#

Hoooooly moly

mellow echo
#

will back from the dead?

#

Hafu's put up 3 runs over 5 mil

ionic solar
#

Welp well see how things shake outin the morning. Back to bed!

mellow echo
#

later dooder

patent elm
#

Great game @split flax

mellow echo
#

Hafu on 2x Hack again

kind cove
#

Yep, saw it too

mellow echo
#

15 hours, goin strong

kind cove
#

Idk why put glass on 4 there ngl, on 2 for the 5oak could be stronger

mellow echo
#

I haven't been watching the whole time

kind cove
#

It was in the same shop, from tarot pack

#

Business card is the only economy card this demo? That's tough

mellow echo
#

Parking

kind cove
#

?

mellow echo
#

When you play a hand, you get money for Face Cards Held

#

you get money every hand not just end of round

kind cove
#

Oh

mellow echo
#

Seance also technically works

#

Vagabond is blocked from giving you money, but it does give you a ton of value.
It's still way weaker than 8 Ball, but 8 Ball is off the charts.

In this build, it's so hard to get Arcana Packs, Vagabond is actually very potent.
It gives you something money literally can't buy.

kind cove
#

Yep, think so too

#

Parking is uncommon, meaning business card is like the only thing for most of the runs

mellow echo
#

yeah, is why Hafu has latched onto it

#

Hey, would you rather have
2 Fools
or
6 Hanged Man

kind cove
#

I'm surprised pareidolia made it in, but I guess it makes sense with other jokers available

#

6 hanged man is playing abandoned

mellow echo
#

Sock and Buskin was supposed to be in but Thunker made a whoopsie
will probably be patched in before the demo goes public

mellow echo
kind cove
#

It's hard to tell, u also get crystal ball, but with so little arcana/celestial packs it feels annoying, you have to hold onto them for a while

#

Maybe if fools are negative

#

😹

sage prism
#

Magic deck is now yellow deck

mellow echo
sage prism
#

I was talking about selling the fools

zenith sierra
#

Sell the voucher

zenith sierra
kind cove
#

Deja Vu is in

#

For hafu

mellow echo
#

round 11 tho

#

🍿

#

Auraaaa

#

Poly Auraaaaaa

kind cove
#

POLYYY

mellow echo
peak path
#

whats her build rn straight flushes?

mellow echo
#

for Seance, yeah

#

a lot of Hearts

#

unfortunately, this is not the one

peak path
#

YOU CAN ADD DOUBLE ENHANCEMENTS

raven sundial
#

Finally, I have some time to watch

sage prism
wintry topaz
peak path
#

Thats still cool though, she just had a poly bonus chip 3 of hearts

kind cove
#

No glass poly, unfortunate

#

Good run tho

#

Unlucky ante 5 boss

raven sundial
#

surprised all 4 suit jokers are here, that's like 1/10th of the joker pool

mellow echo
#

It's past my bedtime

vast karma
#

I just came back, how has Hafu been streaming for 16 hours

mellow echo
#

welcome back, my guy

kind cove
#

Cryptid and red seal

#

For hafu

#

We're cooking

mellow echo
#

it's only round 4

#

we've been cookin' so many times 😭

vast karma
#

is this what Sisyphus feels

mellow echo
#

Hafu has advanced to 2nd through 7th place lol

#

multi millions so many times

#

Stupid, you seein' this cash money?

vast karma
#

seed money would be preeeeetty good here

#

oh my god reserved parking

mellow echo
#

yeah lol

#

CC would love this

kind cove
#

Oh no she is going to lose to the wall now

#

Unluck

subtle stone
#

bruh, watched couple of hours, went to bed, woke up, did some chores, yet hafu is still streaming

#

was she really playing balatro all that time?

lusty tangle
#

i slept for like 10 hours how tf

kind cove
mellow echo
subtle stone
#

im glad dev got her to play in the event, she was so addicted to the demo

vast karma
#

oof, unbuyable holo(?) Hit the Road first shop

abstract jewel
#

This is making me so excited for the demo release on the 25th, Hafu is a machine 😅

kind cove
#

I think hafu made a grave mistake by not sleeping, I see her do quite a few blunders

raven sundial
#

no telescope in the demo ?

kind cove
raven sundial
#

so few planet packs

kind cove
#

Yeah, planet packs are very rare now

#

I think with so many joker & card packs, you can still win consistently tho

subtle stone
raven sundial
#

feels like the right planet balance is somewhere between this demo and the previous one.

kind cove
#

The weird part is that you can get 2 buffoon/standart packs, but only 1 arcana/celestial

#

I feel like it's a bug... or experimental feature

raven sundial
#

I think I've seen a shop with 2 celestial pack on hafu's stream a few minutes ago

kind cove
#

oh rly? I guess I missed it

#

I want to say buffoon packs should be a bit more rare, because we already see more jokers in shop than tarot/planets

#

but then in full game with 150 jokers, that might hurt you

#

Idk if you want to open a lot of standart packs in a normal run either

raven sundial
#

agree on buffoon packs

kind cove
#

I think standart packs chance should be cut, honestly

subtle dagger
#

hm I don't think hafu is gonna pull off anything great in the time that's left, she's gonna start making more and more mistakes if she doesn't sleep

kind cove
#

yeah, that's unfortunate

subtle dagger
#

Also imo she went all in too hard on one strat and isn't getting it anymore

#

she had some amazing runs earlier

graceful falcon
#

Me in the email: Although the tournament lasts for 24 hours, make sure you take breaks, rest and continue to have fun! Nothing is more important than your well-being.

Hafu: Hold my polychrome red seal glass 3

subtle dagger
#

💀

subtle stone
#

hafu vod now public Pog

raven sundial
#

I want standard packs to stay because it's a reliable way to add cards into the deck. This is something you can't do with tarot, tarot is mostly about keeping the same number or thinning the deck

#

And I like the idea that thinning isn't always the best strategy (not sure if that's true in the demo though)

deep lark
kind cove
#

there's only 1 hand size item in this demo

#

-> deck thinning is the way

subtle stone
kind cove
#

There's literally just painter voucher

#

what are you talking about

subtle stone
#

fourth of the spectrals affect hand size

kind cove
#

oh, I thought of a different thing

#

isn't it only 2 spectrals?

#

out of 16

raven sundial
#

Buffoons packs are strange because they're like a better reroll option. I'm not sure seeing so many jokers is necessary, even in the full 150 jokers version

kind cove
#

I kinda think it is

#

cuz it also helps you to skip the potential dupes, if you have 2 jokers in shop you dont want, if you open the buffoon pack you are not seeing them there either

subtle stone
raven sundial
#

It's hard to evaluate in the context of this tournament because they're playing for highscore, not just winning the run. So you have stricter joker requirements

subtle stone
#

i thought that seals also reduced hand size for some reason

lusty tangle
#

what time is it for yall rn

kind cove
#

3pm

deep hollow
#

8am

lusty tangle
#

5:30 am 😭

raven pier
#

8:30am

kind cove
#

Also, I just realised that the hold R restart animation uses the card back of the first available deck. I always felt it should have the back of currently used deck

#

in previous demo it was red, in this it's blue

deep hollow
#

fast reseting uses ur last deck you were using no?

kind cove
#

noo

#

When you hold R to restart, you see a card appear on ur screen, when it flips, it has a blue back side

#

it previous demo it was red

deep hollow
#

OH

kind cove
#

which makes me think it simply uses the first available deck for that

lusty tangle
#

I just tuned into hafu for the first time and i can sense someone grinding for hours upon hours

vast karma
#

Hafu has been live for 17 hours at this point

lusty tangle
#

I can definitely tell by the fast movements and semi spam clicking

tight jacinth
#

Will is still going 😂

#

oh wow his game knowledge improved a ton over the last few hours

lusty tangle
#

hafu got poly stone and its trippy

raven sundial
# subtle stone looks like someone who havent played the og playtest with 90 jokers

I haven't, I have only watched some videos. But was that difficulty issue related to the joker pool or to more general balance problems (access to tarot and planets, hardcounter bosses, ante scaling) ?

I never felt like that pool was too specific and lacked soft synergies, these jokers should provide a large set of solutions in any context. Things get more difficult when going for optimal highscore since the game isn't balanced around that.

lusty tangle
#

hafu is playing so frantically

boreal reef
#

Is skoottie’s run still number 1?

lusty tangle
#

the 17 hours are wearing her down so much

#

think so

kind cove
#

it is

ionic solar
#

Holy moly

#

I'm awake just need to get some coffee in me. Is she the only one still live?

lusty tangle
#

i don't think so

raven sundial
#

willneff is live

ionic solar
#

Shoot

#

They been going all night dang.

graceful falcon
#

Is there a clip of Hafu's 59 million score?

ionic solar
#

Did Dan say if he'd be on this morning. I know frost and malf prob will

lusty tangle
#

i forgot what jokers skoottie used i think it was obelisk popcorn photo and bs

#

I think the plan is red poly glass face cards

formal glacier
#

He had the low card retrigger one too. Hack I think? Forget its name

lusty tangle
#

oh yea

#

ok so red poly glass 2,3,4 or 5

#

with pareidolia ig

kind cove
lusty tangle
#

she has red glass 2

#

with hack

#

she might cook

raven pier
#

Hafu could have something here, but we’ll see what happens

#

It’s still only 4 rounds in

lusty tangle
#

yea she needs vagabond so badly

#

shes gone dead broke so many times lol

kind cove
#

it's so early, she might be able to cook something

lusty tangle
#

all she needs is money honestly

kind cove
#

and not to die to some boss blind

raven sundial
#

oh she has hack and one glass 2

raven pier
lusty tangle
#

now pareidolia for the final combo

raven pier
#

Got some hermits

lusty tangle
#

she moneying rn

kind cove
#

and already 29 mil high score on leaderboard

formal glacier
#

That's the 59m

lusty tangle
#

now she gotta obelisk

#

noooooo

terse flume
#

Will Neff climbing

lusty tangle
#

she skipped obelisk

ionic solar
#

will just hit 900k

lusty tangle
#

nice

ionic solar
#

hes got a coach on the call though its so funny lol

terse flume
#

Yeah

lusty tangle
#

nah i gotta join that

raven pier
#

Who?

lusty tangle
#

willneff got a coach lol

raven pier
#

lol

lusty tangle
#

he on bell

raven pier
#

is the coach anybody from the discord?

lusty tangle
#

idk i just hear the voice

#

bro got notes on the screen 😭

#

he's that one guy whos studies like no other

fluid ibex
#

good morning

lusty tangle
#

hafu and willneff

terse flume
#

Frost Prime too I think

fluid ibex
#

WILL?

raven pier
#

Hafu has been live for just under 18 hours

lusty tangle
#

I can see the effects of streaming for 18 hours on hafu 😭

#

will on his mega hand

#

flush five 3 red sealed 4 multed 1 bonus

#

he's going for it

#

at the slowest speed imaginable

steady obsidian
#

lol

subtle dagger
#

gosh

fluid ibex
#

im gonna be busy helping my father move some stuff for a bit so im not gonna be able to watch… i would love a last minute blowout from hafu though

steady obsidian
#

slow motion

formal glacier
#

After watching 4x speed its excruciatingly slow

lusty tangle
#

871k

steady obsidian
#

892.8k

lusty tangle
#

oh yea the best hand

#

900k pretty good

raven pier
#

Glass is the important one

#

Will in 5th now

subtle dagger
#

pretty decent

lusty tangle
terse flume
#

Anyone saw how much exactly Will Neff did before the 892k? It was 900k something

fluid ibex
#

we need glass hack red seals with any good scaler

lusty tangle
fluid ibex
#

true

steady obsidian
kind cove
#

interesting that hafu didnt take invisible

#

could still dupe hack, it'd give more than baseball

lusty tangle
terse flume
fluid ibex
#

i think realistically glass two hack red seals with fibbo, even steven and obelisk is the shot

#

i know thats very specific but

#

someone can hit it

#

even if its like 3 glass 2’s

kind cove
lusty tangle
#

photo pareidolia is a good combo as well

kind cove
#

only thing that could kill her is unlucky draws

fluid ibex
#

pareidolia could go nuts maybe? i havent seen any cards that give chips/mult with face cards in this build though

kind cove
#

I didnt see scary face either

graceful falcon
#

A cook

lusty tangle
#

photo gives 2x mult on first face card proc

#

with red seal it goes off

fluid ibex
#

if anything people have been getting their jimmies absolutely jimbo’d with face cards

lusty tangle
#

and hack

graceful falcon
#

oh no

fluid ibex
#

oh true

lusty tangle
#

oof hafu dam

kind cove
#

why would she do that

#

with all 6s

#

she really needs sleep

steady obsidian
#

greed

lusty tangle
#

heh greed

fluid ibex
#

not a morning blunderrrr

kind cove
#

what does she get from all 6s at this point anyways huh

raven pier
#

It was for business card synergy but now it’s kinda useless

kind cove
#

wof?

#

why

raven pier
#

Should’ve sold for brainstorm lol

lusty tangle
kind cove
#

yea exactly ...

lusty tangle
#

i think

#

idk

kind cove
#

it does

#

all 6s is so useless now

fluid ibex
#

excited for murph to wake up and see its still a wash in the tournament

fluid ibex
lusty tangle
kind cove
#

its ante 5

#

no business card

formal glacier
#

I like that the leaderboard is 5 people and there is a total of 6 people in the tournament. Last place guy just sent straight to the basement to stay out of sight.

lusty tangle
kind cove
#

she just needs to survive

lusty tangle
#

I think she gotta hermit before proc

raven pier
#

With death and justice she might still clutch it

kind cove
#

might just go for high score on tooth

#

she is not buying anything in the next shop

lusty tangle
#

mega on tooth is wild

steady obsidian
#

oh no no no

lusty tangle
#

i think she's gonna mega

kind cove
#

ye nice

lusty tangle
#

yup

steady obsidian
#

still holding on to that all 6s

fluid ibex
#

what deck is she running?

lusty tangle
#

get rid of oops tho 😭

steady obsidian
#

magic

kind cove
#

magic

lusty tangle
#

magic

#

the gathering

kind cove
#

start with 2 fools and crystal ball voucher

fluid ibex
#

ye thats nutty

raven pier
#

She could’ve bought a brainstorm there too

lusty tangle
#

68m

kind cove
#

68

#

pb!

formal glacier
#

new pb

steady obsidian
#

almost 10 M improvement

lusty tangle
#

she does not sound like she likes that pb

steady obsidian
formal glacier
#

2nd place is last place

fluid ibex
#

pb is nice but it just hurts looking at it compared to skoottie

raven pier
#

If she had sold all 6s for brainstorm she would’ve smoked skoottie

steady obsidian
#

how many glass broke?

lusty tangle
kind cove
fluid ibex
#

like DAMN skoottie just did it like that

lusty tangle
#

and good glass/red seals

fluid ibex
#

yeah which was overall lucky but like

lusty tangle
#

if he got that ONE card to glass it would've been 1b

sharp kettle
#

*2/5 broke i think

kind cove
#

did someone clip the 68?

#

I havent logged on my twitch acc for ages

lusty tangle
#

1 red sealed glass 2/3/4/5 = X8 mult which would've gave skoottie a huge boost

fluid ibex
#

its a mixture of no one truly going back to study that run + this game is obviously still luck based, so it really is jimbos choice if he wants someone to jump up in points

steady obsidian
#

i'll clip it

lusty tangle
#

its honestly a problem with timing

steady obsidian
lusty tangle
#

like early game is ROUGH with tryna get all the neccesary jokers + ecom

fluid ibex
#

yeah

lusty tangle
#

and the red seal + glass

#

rn the best +mult source is tarot joker

#

and the best xmult is obelisk

fluid ibex
#

it definitely sucks for players to have to pick and choose how they wanna play with their money due to jokers like bull and vagabond

#

its like do i go broke for some tarots or do i stay crazy up in hopes i hit great jokers and try to keep money for my chips to stack

lusty tangle
#

so u gotta build 2 different jokers early-mid game onwards with one requiring a pseudo build to scale it up

fluid ibex
#

obelisk is rare or uncommon?

kind cove
fluid ibex
#

true

lusty tangle
#

i think uncom since i saw baseball proc 4 with it earlier

fluid ibex
#

shit

deep hollow
kind cove
#

while money, it's rng what cards you draw in the pack

deep hollow
#

its a wild uncommon

fluid ibex
#

baseball obelisk is broken as fuck

lusty tangle
#

rng isn't that bad its just the money

#

I think you can replace obelisk with baseball if you get a good ecom and a lot of neg uncom jokers

#

but that's a little too much

fluid ibex
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its not always about the money .wav …
sometimes its about WILLNEFF GO WILLNEFF HELL YEAH BABY PLAY 12 MORE COPYRIGHTED SONGS

raven pier
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This was the saddest part of Hafu’s PB run

lusty tangle
raven pier
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She didn’t see Brainstorm

fluid ibex
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Oh.

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BDJSND

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THIS IMG IS PAINFUL ON ANOTHER LEVEL

deep hollow
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brainstorm on that hack wouldve been so crazy

lusty tangle
fluid ibex
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NO WAY.

lusty tangle
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tbf she keeps going dead broke

lusty tangle
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and the only time vagabond shows up was when she had the most money 😭

ionic solar
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she did pb tho. now 68m

kind cove
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she wants to get the #1 tho

ionic solar
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yaya

kind cove
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she sounded so frustrated from the 68 lmao

fluid ibex
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the sell oa6 into brainstorm wouldve went nuts in that shop its sad

ionic solar
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yea i was in the chat like HOLY

lusty tangle
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she needs vagabond cause she is going DEAD BROKE CONSTANTLY

deep hollow
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we all are gonna go so crazy when we get are hands on this demo tho

ionic solar
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and she was just like ahhhhhhh dang

kind cove
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if only she got the BS agony

raven pier
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With that brainstorm it would’ve broken 2 billion

kind cove
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Ikr

raven pier
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Extra x32

ionic solar
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sheeeesh

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frost is back and charged up. hes on early too

lusty tangle
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with how many retriggers there are just 1 non glass card would be a MASSIVE reduce(skoottie be like)

steady obsidian
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Hafu with the $64

lusty tangle
steady obsidian
kind cove
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fingers seance for hafu

lusty tangle
kind cove
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she cookin?

covert umbra
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just woke up

lusty tangle
ionic solar
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im eatin my breakfast then hoppin online

covert umbra
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hows leaderboard going?

lusty tangle
kind cove
raven pier
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Hafu threw 2b

deep hollow
covert umbra
ionic solar
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did skoottie say if hes playing this morning or not?

raven pier
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She didn’t buy brainstorm in shop

deep hollow
lusty tangle
raven pier
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18 hours without sleep does that

covert umbra
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dang

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gtg again