🕹・game-discussion

[rancid gull]

Nerdy

[frank grove]

but like that might not be what 1.1 is so we dont know

[fiery nymph]

4 dollar rebate

[devout reef]

Honestly shocked he mentioned a specific thing being buffed

[lyric wave]

ok here's unambiguously not a joke confirmation

[cloud sinew]

it's too universal

[plain herald]

[red briar]

i think i'm gonna lose the boss blind on this one

my scoring isn't quite strong enough :C

[lyric wave]

rip

[rancid gull]

What is it per hand

[ancient gyro]

ballot sort of has a bp/bs moral standing on how it's used

[echo sphinx]

nerfing a thing in a roguelike feels like a bad idea

[red briar]

if i'm playing a two pair it's like 10k

[fiery nymph]

what if wild cards smeared off to the surrounding cards

[cloud sinew]

i dont agree

[ancient gyro]

sts2:

[rancid gull]

You gotta use that halfsies

[ancient gyro]

sts:

[rancid gull]

Also you have a lot of money

[stark karma]

What if chicot made boss rerolls free instead of disabling the boss lol >:D

[rancid gull]

I think you can forgo the faceless after this round

[echo sphinx]

unless its so egregiously overpowered

[cloud sinew]

so it does nothing unless you have dcut/retcon

[vestal copper]

would making chad mp chad make things better

[leaden dragon]

ts so peak🥹✌️

[lyric wave]

[hasty harness]

too bad i cant take it lol

[frank grove]

Makes it more interesting imo but i think thunk has said that he isnt touching chad

[lyric wave]

lol

[cloud sinew]

if something is too dominant in the meta then it's deserving of a nerf, or at the very least things need to be rebalanced.
and you shouldn't really just do buffs alone, as that's how you get power creep (cough RoR2, tboi)

[red briar]

alright

[lyric wave]

what if you sold negative mime for the +0 slots it'd give you

[red briar]

ante 7 time

and i just pulled supernova

gg

[echo sphinx]

time to nerf rtb, green joker and supernova

[hasty harness]

i did it

[echo sphinx]

and make the game friggin unplayable

[hasty harness]

i got chigoat

[vestal copper]

ror2 powercreep is so bad

[hasty harness]

ante 39

[red briar]

is +33 mult good enough to take supernova on

[vestal copper]

thats just pair nerf

[lyric wave]

unironically would've been the best hit there

by far

[frank grove]

also i doubt hes going to be doing much balancing around gs players anyway

[hasty harness]

yeah especially since i have no retcon

[stark karma]

Nah it’s basically a free retcon (this is a bad idea lmao)

[primal heath]

replace your half joker with it

[cloud sinew]

blue stake is being reworked which already partially addresses the pair meta

[hasty harness]

ante 25 btw

[ancient gyro]

they're entire niche just happens to fit in the current pair slop meta

[red briar]

i was gonna replace faceless

since im already getting max interest

[hasty harness]

perkeo with cryptid would be nice but im on plasma lol

[primal heath]

ah yea that is fine too, propably

[hasty harness]

so basically impossible

[ancient gyro]

like try playing 2 pairs or any 5 card spammable hand with any of those scalers

[cloud sinew]

faceless is still incredibly good econ

since you have 4 discards

[ancient gyro]

or on some black deck seeds

[rancid gull]

He has like 70 bucks

[red briar]

i'm on ante 7

[hasty harness]

plant is gonna come back and kill me

[red briar]

is there much more econning to do

[lyric wave]

on red deck?

[rancid gull]

No imo

[hasty harness]

i beat it with luchador first go around

[lyric wave]

oh in their game

nvm

[lyric wave]

plant's gonna come and it's gonna roll straight into the psychic

[cursive panther]

What joker can i sell for the invisible joker (rocket give to much money)

[ancient gyro]

im still down for 3 hands 3 discards as a base amount for all decks to deviate away from pairs

[hasty harness]

id sell brainstorm for luchador if it happened but lol

still would suck

[cloud sinew]

#🎙・server-chat message

[lyric wave]

if you can find one

[hasty harness]

i think i need to sell brainstorm anyway for ante 32

[cloud sinew]

"chad is honestly a problem too, but I don't have the heart to nerf"

[hasty harness]

for bean

+4 handsize

[frank grove]

yeah chad is very iconic

[ancient gyro]

call it a rework for the day

[hasty harness]

i found one rn but its wheel anyway

so im fine

[red briar]

i think i'm dead

[lyric wave]

hi dead

[echo sphinx]

blue seals 😭 fair ig

[red briar]

needle will be the death of me

gg

[cloud sinew]

hes right

[cursive panther]

Guys?

[cloud sinew]

blue seals are ridiculous

[frank grove]

dont you have acrobat?

[echo sphinx]

tho how to target

[lyric wave]

how close are you to dying

[cloud sinew]

the seals go from like C -> B -> A -> S+, there's too much of a spread and blue seals are so dominating in the current meta

[hasty harness]

just sell rocket

ur gonna sell rocket when u pop invis anyway

[cloud sinew]

standards are opened solely for blue seals most of the time

[red briar]

wish me luck

[hasty harness]

right?

[stark karma]

Red seals the worst?

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[stark karma]

Then it’s like gold, then purple

[red briar]

needle pass

[ancient gyro]

generally

[cloud sinew]

yes

[echo sphinx]

how much of that is contributed by pairslop (Curious)

[lyric wave]

I'd argue red seal is B

[ancient gyro]

the other seals do something of ample value on their own

[cloud sinew]

not much honestly

[stark karma]

Red seals are fun tho

They have a place

[cloud sinew]

blue seals are dominant in their own right

[stark karma]

Just weak

[cursive panther]

Mmmm a little bit

[echo sphinx]

cuz pairslop gets to hold onto blue seals much better

[hasty harness]

red seals are really only strong with things supporting them

[lyric wave]

if you're absolutely set on keeping rocket, you gotta sell perkeo

[cursive panther]

Ok

[hasty harness]

all the other seals are strong without other things

id say

[lyric wave]

rocket is the good option

here

[frank grove]

yeah

[cursive panther]

Got it

[cursive panther]

No I think I sell rocket

[cloud sinew]

gold seals are okay without support

[hasty harness]

do NOT

sell perkeo

[lyric wave]

yea

[hasty harness]

if u get observatory

ur cooking

[red briar]

time for final boss

[lyric wave]

essentially just sack whatever isn't part of your scoring since you're gonna sell it anyways when invis appears

[ancient gyro]

they're good for occasional rental offsets

[frank grove]

gold seals are much better with retriggers but still 3 dollars every now and again is really fun and helps with rental problems occasionally

[cursive panther]

But I have observatory

[hasty harness]

true but still way above red seals

without support

[hasty harness]

then def dont

[red briar]

if i'm just going for ante 8 should i spend all my money rerolling before the final boss blind

[devout reef]

Yeah Lilo you were right. The photochad was bait. This has been a boringly smooth run with square and grimbo

[hasty harness]

sell perkeo

[primal heath]

yes

[lyric wave]

gold seals are honestly probably worse than gold cards without support

[frank grove]

i would spread them out throughout ante 8 but yeah

[lyric wave]

granted gold cards are the best enhancements but

y'know

[cloud sinew]

luckies are a close 2nd

[echo sphinx]

its fine imo cuz gold seals are tied to spectral/pack
wait
devil is also reliant on pack rng

[devout reef]

Taking this invis to ante 8 tho lol. Haven’t needed to sell it

[ancient gyro]

spread your rerolls so you don't get severe diminishing returns per reroll in one shop

[cloud sinew]

glass is definitely slept on for glass joker enabling and deckfixing

[frank grove]

glass is pretty good i always try to have some glass in my deck

[red briar]

finally won a red deck white stake run

with egregious amounts of help

[cloud sinew]

im hoping that glass and steel are buffed indirectly by a shift towards higher hands in 1.1

[echo sphinx]

glass for deckfixing can be bait cuz they just might never break sometimes (i treid to deckfix with them and in the end glass outnumbers my Queen)
but true

[vestal copper]

golds are the best huh

[stark karma]

Glass purple/ glass blue is slept on

[cloud sinew]

sure but you can also bottom deck rebate every single round, doesnt make it a bad pickup because you can lowroll something that isnt vital to survival.

[ancient gyro]

glass and steel kinda get a decent scoring crutch from blue seals

[red briar]

which deck should i play next?

[cloud sinew]

blue

[ancient gyro]

black

[lyric wave]

checkered

[cloud sinew]

play easier decks while you are learning

[lyric wave]

oh right you're new

[echo sphinx]

blue or yellow

[lyric wave]

yeah go blue

[ancient gyro]

oh he's learning

[red briar]

i have white stake on red, yellow, blue and green

[frank grove]

i love glass with blue seals my goat

[stark karma]

You could try black

[lyric wave]

anything except black

[rancid gull]

Duality

[stark karma]

Not that bad on white stake

[cloud sinew]

do not play black deck

it's the hardest deck

[red briar]

i spent like 2 hours trying black deck

i think i've had enough of it

[stark karma]

lol

[rancid gull]

Try magic

[echo sphinx]

om

[rancid gull]

Magic is fun

[cloud sinew]

you are blinded by experience. black deck is still horrible on white, it's just relatively easy compared to anything on gold because it's white stake

[lyric wave]

blue is great because it's the easiest deck, and checkered is great because finding hands is really easy

[echo sphinx]

yellow deck is like the most simple

[stark karma]

Fair lol

[stoic isle]

i HATE anaglyph deck!!!

[red briar]

1. i don't have checkered deck

[frank grove]

yellow deck is nice cause early shops can be more interesting

[echo sphinx]

here, have some quick buck

[stark karma]

I had fun with it early on

[red briar]

i already have white stake blue deck too

[lyric wave]

damn

[ancient gyro]

checkered requires you to win on black deck lol

[stark karma]

It was the deck I got farthest on before I switched to PC

[rancid gull]

Why not try red stake on blue?

[stark karma]

If I remember right

[lyric wave]

'='

[stoic isle]

and i HATE hess!!!

[cloud sinew]

probably do red stake blue deck or yellow deck

[pale wolf]

wait so it is not even possible to unlock checkers deck?

because black deck is only for topplayers

[red briar]

i'll probably fail because no econ but sure

[stark karma]

Lmao

[rancid gull]

Dude

[lyric wave]

yeah it's literally not doable

[vestal copper]

zodiac deck ‼️

[cloud sinew]

you have +$1 a round on blue deck, your econ is set

[rancid gull]

Please trust in yourself

It’s okay to fail

[vestal copper]

behind what is it locked tho :nails:

[cloud sinew]

bus

[red briar]

are any of these worth taking

[lyric wave]

insane start

[primal heath]

both of these are crazy

[echo sphinx]

holy guacomole dilemma

[hasty harness]

ive taken

[red briar]

is bus really that good

[echo sphinx]

riffraff

[lyric wave]

both are worth taking

[hasty harness]

2 voucher skips

[cloud sinew]

yes

[hasty harness]

and 5 colas

[ancient gyro]

the tough new player dilemma

[hasty harness]

it is ANTE 27

[stoic isle]

the raff

[red briar]

how am i gonna get that up in the earlygame

[hasty harness]

no retcon

:/

[stoic isle]

raffle

[cloud sinew]

you have 5 hands

[lyric wave]

bus is INSANELY powerful

[stoic isle]

roffle

[vestal copper]

dont play face carda

[primal heath]

I'd take riff raff here though

[echo sphinx]

its a scaling joker, quite good and worth a pickup any day
except riffraff is there. and it can pull out the bus joker

[ancient gyro]

5 hands per round, 15 per ante

[lofty vault]

Riffle raffle to riff the raffling

[stoic isle]

riff raff w

[red briar]

and if i play a single face card once it's all wiped away

[gentle island]

GG

[echo sphinx]

riffraffle w

[ancient gyro]

score*

[lyric wave]

you have to SCORE one

not play one

[cloud sinew]

score, not just play. you have 3 discards and also you can play non-face pairs and throwaway faces alongside it as long as the faces dont score

[red briar]

i guess bro

[stark karma]

Anti pair spam Joker Idea:

Referee
Common
+1 chip for every scored card
-1 chip for every unscored card

[echo sphinx]

this could be a poll ngl

[red briar]

how would i play it

[lyric wave]

if you play an ace or a low pair and your hand just has singular face cards in it, they're discarded

[ancient gyro]

you have 3 discards which is well enough to never be in a play face scenario

[frank grove]

yeah so you can play a pair of 10s with a jack and that wouldnt reset bus

[lyric wave]

simply don't score any faces

[ancient gyro]

4 pairs beats 450 requirements, try to make use of all your hands

[cloud sinew]

democracy doesnt work here because some people are really stupid and the average player is not going to give good takes

[lyric wave]

bus is the better option here, riff raff CAN pull bus but it'll be late

[red briar]

i think i get it

[hasty harness]

whats the context

[vestal copper]

you can get a bus from riff raff anyway

[echo sphinx]

context @hasty harness

[cloud sinew]

could

it's a risk you shouldn't take over getting a bus guaranteed

[echo sphinx]

it could also get green joker

[hasty harness]

hm they both are reallly good but id take bus

[cloud sinew]

it could also just not

[frank grove]

Yeah i would take bus over riff raff in a pack

[hasty harness]

espeically on blue deck

[primal heath]

too unlikely

[hasty harness]

either way its red stake

[stoic isle]

riff raff gives you photochad

trust

[echo sphinx]

it could also get red card

[hasty harness]

so

:p

[echo sphinx]

photo

[lyric wave]

by the time you get bus from riff raff, it'll have like -25 mult from what it'd previously be

[echo sphinx]

chad

[hasty harness]

blue deck bus tho

[echo sphinx]

egg

[lyric wave]

and that's if you're LUCKY

[red briar]

okay

[stoic isle]

i invented playing cards i would know

[hasty harness]

im taking that

[ancient gyro]

somebody didn't lose their black deck streak from low raff pull

[echo sphinx]

super

[cloud sinew]

the expected value for riff is low compared ot just getting bus guaranteed

[vestal copper]

i mean yeah if you get double econ its kinda fucked

[red briar]

i already accidentally lost my mult

[stoic isle]

i also invented the number 4

[red briar]

im useless time to reset 🥺

[cloud sinew]

:( LOCK IN TWIN

[lyric wave]

nonononono

[echo sphinx]

and also direct sell value if the riffraff isnt giving the best stuff

[rancid gull]

Don’t reset????

[red briar]

but i lost my mult

[lyric wave]

this is a crazy start even if you crashed the bus

[red briar]

wgat the point

[rancid gull]

Dude what ante are you on

[lyric wave]

the bus was only at like 2mph

[red briar]

it's fiiiine

[echo sphinx]

NO DONT ITS FINEEE

[ancient gyro]

bus indirectly saves you money by not being required to need other jokers for a longer amount of rounds

[red briar]

i'll get the bus when it next comes around

[cloud sinew]

no it isnt. this is a loser's mentality

[atomic trout]

what fuck

[rancid gull]

Dude

[vestal copper]

dont get depressed upon one loss

[rancid gull]

What the fuck

What ante were you on

[red briar]

i was going into ante 2

[rancid gull]

DUDE

[red briar]

i lost out on basically

[rancid gull]

YOU WERE FINE

[stoic isle]

bro

[atomic trout]

Hang on

[stoic isle]

you can win ante 2 without jokers

[red briar]

rtb isn't that uncommon regardless

[echo sphinx]

a whole +4 mult is not a run ender 😭

[cloud sinew]

can, not probably. but they can win ante 2 with a bus

[cloud sinew]

THAT ISNT THE POINT

the point is you reset when you didnt need to

[rancid gull]

You have to stop giving up bro

It’s not helping

[hasty harness]

i dont think i beat ante 32 with this setup but if i sell brainstorm on ante 32 for bean

i think i make it

[stoic isle]

looks like somebody got a black hole

[rancid gull]

This contstant mentality will never help you win

I’m sorry

[lyric wave]

that was a good ass start, if you hadn't given up it most likely would've won

[rancid gull]

But you need to stop

[ancient gyro]

learning is playing through your blunders

[red briar]

i got abstract joker this run

[echo sphinx]

is ok
next time just play it out

[red briar]

we can salvage this

[atomic trout]

Black hole on Black Deck and lost to bad draws

[fast stirrup]

hey guys these are in the correct order right?

[cloud sinew]

black++ has taught me to play out my "losses" no matter what

[atomic trout]

That's lousy

[echo sphinx]

yes

[lyric wave]

do you have a red seal

[frank grove]

Uhh i would copy the sock once

[stoic isle]

yep looks good

[lyric wave]

if no red seal, copy sock once

[fast stirrup]

I have a few reds in my deck

[echo sphinx]

actually
id copy the sock twice instead
its worse than copying 1 trib 1 sock but
retriggers!!!

[lyric wave]

❌

[hasty harness]

okay so top end is 161

[exotic pike]

i was speedrunning to get a blueprint and i got brainstorm instead what the fuck mam

[ancient gyro]

streaking taught me this 😀

[stoic isle]

brian storm

[red briar]

holy gruel

[stoic isle]

mmm abstract yum

[ancient gyro]

gguh

[lyric wave]

red card yippee

[echo sphinx]

yum

[ancient gyro]

red cardy

[stoic isle]

take spectral

[fast stirrup]

Are u sure?

[rancid gull]

Red card is nice

[red briar]

why is red card good

[vestal copper]

red carding

[ancient gyro]

red card, then spectral

[red briar]

do i just skip every booster pack from now on

[lyric wave]

because it's +6 mult per round

[rancid gull]

Fast scaling mult

No, not always

[stoic isle]

red card then spectral

[vestal copper]

makes not guaranteed value guaranteed

[lyric wave]

you open every booster pack from now on

[ancient gyro]

unconditional scaling requirements

[devout reef]

Bait or feasible?

[ancient gyro]

mostly

[rancid gull]

Don’t go crazy spending all your money though

[ancient gyro]

over the other common scalers

[rancid gull]

You still need Econ

[stoic isle]

take it for the funny

[echo sphinx]

do 1 trib 1 sock its generally best.
2 sock is for lmao retrigger adrenaline

[cloud sinew]

its worse to copy sock without red seal

[frank grove]

its yellow, you'll be fine

[red briar]

should i skip out on aura and medium

[lyric wave]

oh neat

noted

[rancid gull]

I guess yeah

[devout reef]

Yeah I feel like since it’s yellow I’ll be fine

[lyric wave]

medium here

[cloud sinew]

i would skip

[ancient gyro]

I'll take medium

o

[lyric wave]

either skip or medium

not aura

[hasty harness]

skip for red card imo

[rancid gull]

Bro I forgot you’re on blue stake

[echo sphinx]

eh just pick one

[stark karma]

Another large hand enabler idea:

Idk about the name lol
uncommon
x2 if played hand contains 5 scoring cards

[red briar]

then should i take the standard pack and skip it or

[rancid gull]

Blue deck I mean

[stoic isle]

purple seal is good

[rancid gull]

You would’ve been fine with ride the bus

[lyric wave]

tribe 2.0

[stark karma]

Hardly

[red briar]

next ante or standard pack

[frank grove]

oh yeah the chad, if no chad then copying sock is better right?

[lyric wave]

if it has a blue seal, take that

[stark karma]

More like seeing double

[ancient gyro]

+3 mult isnt needed right away, medium is a permanent addition to your deck while you're not in a dire situation

[stark karma]

Oh wait…

[red briar]

no blue seal

[exotic pike]

gets judgement
sells chad
uses judgement

[cloud sinew]

yes

[lyric wave]

+3 mult is also permanent

[echo sphinx]

rechading

[ancient gyro]

until you sell red card

[lyric wave]

that's a bad play thoguh

though

[vestal copper]

why would one sell it though

[ancient gyro]

not always

[echo sphinx]

whos selling red card

[lyric wave]

why would you sell your mult engine

[cloud sinew]

same argument can be made for destroying the purple seal lol

[red briar]

can i grab blue joker for early chips

[slow iris]

just got a negative abstract joker from a judgement

cool

[hasty harness]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

YES

[stark karma]

Why the fuck is tribe rare again?

[echo sphinx]

for a spectral its unlikely to beat 50 chip edition

[vestal copper]

sure

[hasty harness]

thats enough to get u through

the early game

lol

[ancient gyro]

yeah but who's doing that without reason

[lyric wave]

consistency

[ancient gyro]

fair reason

[slow iris]

and now i just found a negative square joker

[stark karma]

Ahhh yes

Flushes

[cloud sinew]

why would I sell red card without reason

[stark karma]

The most consistent hand

[red briar]

should i buy celestial packs to feed red card or keep building econ

[cloud sinew]

econ

[ancient gyro]

a better alternative scaler later down

[vestal copper]

tribe is so fucking bad

[lyric wave]

this is one card out of a current 52 that you can upgrade for something that might help in the earlygame but will never do anything past midgame

[ancient gyro]

econ

[frank grove]

econ until interest cap

[cloud sinew]

thats a reason. im just making the same arguments you are but with red card instead of the purple seal

[rancid gull]

Get your interest cap

[frank grove]

you have abstract and blue that holds you out for a while whilst you wait for money to open packs to scale red

[ancient gyro]

the former can be replaced

[rancid gull]

Red card will come with the monies

[lyric wave]

if you find econ, grab it
otherwise wait for interest

[cloud sinew]

purple seal can also be replaced

[red briar]

im so close to econ cap 🥺

[ancient gyro]

by what

[red briar]

1 more dollar

[cloud sinew]

econ, tarot gen

[echo sphinx]

idk if +3 mult is gonna do anything either

[lyric wave]

it stacks up

[echo sphinx]

yeah chips also stack up

[lyric wave]

if you think +3 mult is small, then your red card will be at +6 mult by the end of the run

[lyric wave]

not from foil

[red briar]

ok iam at econ cap

[lyric wave]

now if we were talking about runner

[red briar]

its 25$ right

[lyric wave]

yes

[red briar]

now i can start opening packs and feeding red card

[echo sphinx]

agree cuz its a decent chip joker

[lyric wave]

if we were talking about runner, those chips would stack up like hell

but foil isn't that good on a card all things considered

[cloud sinew]

yes it is

[lyric wave]

if it was on a joker, that'd be more reliable and would be something

[cloud sinew]

chips sources are rarer than mult sources

oh you mean a playing card

[serene forge]

I love Runner

[willow frost]

i see message with more than 3 reactions i react

[ancient gyro]

I prefer the immediate consumable gen in deck

[lyric wave]

yeah they're arguing that aura was the better option in that spectral

[cloud sinew]

aura is the worst of the 3

[lyric wave]

foil?

[cloud sinew]

doesnt matter what it hits

[frank grove]

Aura sucks, even if its like 50% foil its not worth it over a purple seal

[red briar]

i'm gonna start having to play multiple hands to score soon

[lyric wave]

oh yeah

[exotic pike]

whats the best joker to brainstorm

[echo sphinx]

medium trumps aura om

[red briar]

what do i do?

[cloud sinew]

photograph

[cloud sinew]

thats completely fine

expected actually

[red briar]

i got two spectral packs to gamble on

[serene forge]

I hate when aura gives me polychrome

[red briar]

and big egg

[echo sphinx]

ohmy days its the bloodstone guy hi

[ancient gyro]

sure

[cloud sinew]

take both

[exotic pike]

oke

[lyric wave]

grab egg and spectrals

[echo sphinx]

gamba

[serene forge]

I love Medium

[red briar]

ankh and hex

[willow frost]

take mime too wtf

[lyric wave]

prob skip

[cloud sinew]

skip

[ancient gyro]

take both and rip overstock

[serene forge]

do you die if you hex red card

[echo sphinx]

neh

[plain herald]

WHAT A START!

[lyric wave]

why mime?

[serene forge]

what is red card at

[lyric wave]

the classic rare skip

[red briar]

talisman and hex

[willow frost]

speculative mime is always good

[red briar]

free money or 3 mult

decisions decisions

[cloud sinew]

im not dropping blue joker for a hex'd or ankh'd red card there

[red briar]

im gonna take some free money

[ancient gyro]

sure

[serene forge]

true

[red briar]

and we can take egg and mime

[radiant blade]

atp i dont even know

[willow frost]

lets fricking go

[echo sphinx]

??????????????????????

[lyric wave]

you need more

[red briar]

wait

[cloud sinew]

this is not vanilla behaviour twin

[red briar]

what does mime actually do

how would it be useful for me

[lyric wave]

it retriggers held in hand effects

like gold cards

[cloud sinew]

it's speculative

[red briar]

oh

[cloud sinew]

it does nothing for you rn

[echo sphinx]

retrigger held cards (ehhhhh.) with blue seal, gold card etc u can take that. rn the deck has neither

[lyric wave]

that's the neat part, it won't do anything rn

[red briar]

i have a gold card i think

[ancient gyro]

retriggers effects held in hand (blue seals, gold, steel, stm)

[frank grove]

so gold cards, steel, blue seals doesnt do much right now but can be a very good money engine later

[radiant blade]

fr

[willow frost]

LETS GO

[plain herald]

💀

[red briar]

sure, why not

[willow frost]

mime is a joker i take like 95% of the time i see it lol

[red briar]

6 WHOLE DOLLARS

[ancient gyro]

basically, mime has a good amount of pieces that work well

yeah

[red briar]

i'm quite rich

[echo sphinx]

:kaching:

[red briar]

i can spend 8$ for 6 mult

[serene forge]

nothing, but gold cards and blue seals are super strong and get better with mime

[ancient gyro]

that's like one more pack

[red briar]

a whole 43 smackaroons

[serene forge]

so if you have the space mime can be a good pickup

[red briar]

do i take +3 mult or a gold seal

[frank grove]

yeah mime is one of the more decent speculative pick ups imo

[lyric wave]

+3 mult

[cloud sinew]

skip

[serene forge]

pass

[hasty harness]

+3

[frank grove]

skip you already have a gold seal

[lyric wave]

oh right you do

[echo sphinx]

pass ig

[red briar]

BLUUUE SEAL

[cloud sinew]

unless it's a blue seal i probably wouldnt take anything

[lyric wave]

HUGE

[ancient gyro]

skip until your red card is at a stable enough mult

[cloud sinew]

BLUE SEAL

[lyric wave]

grab blue

[serene forge]

here win

[echo sphinx]

YASS

[frank grove]

TAKE

[red briar]

huge actions

[stoic isle]

BLUE

[serene forge]

and yeah that's why we take spec mime

[cloud sinew]

now you play pairs for blue seal

[red briar]

i also have juggler in shop but

[lyric wave]

it's worth digging by using your 5 hands for the blue

[red briar]

pairs?

[cloud sinew]

take it over abstract

[red briar]

i been playing flushes this whole t ime

[cloud sinew]

😭

[exotic pike]

ex

ez

[ancient gyro]

💔

[paper skiff]

I got a Blueprint guys look

[frank grove]

pairs allow you to hold the blue seals and gold cards in your hand more

[red briar]

common new player trap i understand

[coral sluice]

Take it? Or try to find something to get me past Ante 32? Both the Juggler and the mime were Nat negative. Next ecto is -3 hand size.

[red briar]

but im worried if i play pairs ill lose out on scoring

[lyric wave]

🔥

[exotic pike]

LMAO DNA FOUND

[echo sphinx]

HOLY TOTALLY BLUEPRINT JOKER

[stoic isle]

the demon of babylon disguises himself with the cloak of the righteous

[paper skiff]

Truly

[ancient gyro]

a majority of your score is from jokers

[lyric wave]

not after one blue seal hit

[hasty harness]

IM ON ANTE 29

[red briar]

nevermind

[lyric wave]

the levels will do some crazy magic

[hasty harness]

NO RETCON

LOLLL

[cloud sinew]

flushes scale the same chips as pairs, and are only slightly faster with mult

[hasty harness]

game is trolling

[atomic trout]

This Deck suuuuuuuuuucks

[cloud sinew]

but you have mult sorted with red card

[red briar]

so i just need to discard and play hands until i find the blue seal

[lyric wave]

yeah

[red briar]

blue seal located

[frank grove]

nice!!

[lyric wave]

ideally only win once you have blue seal, and if you really want to you can dig for gold too

[echo sphinx]

i agree with this but its still funny to hear "only slightly faster" when 2 is 2* of 1

[ancient gyro]

flushes have a higher failure rate against bosses and finding flush specific jokers and what not

[frank grove]

if you find a devil or chariot i would put it on the blue seal as well

[cloud sinew]

relative to the consistency drop off it's really not that much

[atomic trout]

Suuuuuuuuuucks

[red briar]

hey buddy

how goes

[lyric wave]

use em

[cloud sinew]

use them

before going into shop

[ancient gyro]

if mult jokers didn't exist id pay attention

[echo sphinx]

gotta use them (hover and click the use that pop on the right ithink)

[frank grove]

also mult scales usually scale much faster than this so the mult from flush levels only really matter for photo, aj and glass

[lyric wave]

^this is so you don't block mercury from spawning btw

[red briar]

did dat

[exotic pike]

do i go for the particle accelerator build...

nah

[lyric wave]

you have no perkeo

[red briar]

what can i do here?

[cloud sinew]

hanged man

[lyric wave]

either hanged man or skip

[hasty harness]

just hang some numbered cards

[ancient gyro]

hung men

[hasty harness]

make blue seal easier

[lyric wave]

^

[red briar]

gotcha

[echo sphinx]

chariot a steel i think

[frank grove]

yeah i would hang the aces probably

[echo sphinx]

tho hanged man.

[cloud sinew]

death into blue seals and hanged man are all you really care about over +3 imo

[red briar]

i also have this as my shop

[lyric wave]

hermit maybe

[cloud sinew]

they already have very good econ

[lyric wave]

ah fair

[ancient gyro]

blue seals are your chip scalers that happen to not consume any joker slots

[lyric wave]

hologram could be something

[cloud sinew]

HOLOGRAM

[frank grove]

hologram is a pick up

[cloud sinew]

AND MAGIC TRICK

TAKE BOTH

[red briar]

over what?

[frank grove]

egg

[lyric wave]

oh fuck I had completely written off magic trick

[brisk torrent]

collecting the gems

[red briar]

egg and juggler?

[lyric wave]

forgot it had hologram uses

[cloud sinew]

probably drop egg

[stone dagger]

Crazy combo

[ancient gyro]

eggy

[echo sphinx]

holo :thonk: and playing voucher
hm
does egg cover the cost

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to drop 2 jokers

[ancient gyro]

or juggle

[cloud sinew]

the voucher is magic trick

[red briar]

oh

lol

[cloud sinew]

take magic trick and hologram

[frank grove]

they have money from gold card, seal and interest

[lyric wave]

do not grab dusk lol

[cloud sinew]

doesnt really matter

[red briar]

now how will i grow my hologram

[cloud sinew]

magic trick

[echo sphinx]

oh rgith

[ancient gyro]

standard packs

[cloud sinew]

and standard packs

[red briar]

you right

[cloud sinew]

and spectral packs

[frank grove]

and standard packs

[lyric wave]

hologram is now something you want to scale over the +3 mult in a standard pack

xmult is huge

[red briar]

blue seal located

time to win

[stoic isle]

SPADE SPADE

[lyric wave]

hanged man is even more of your friend now as well

[ancient gyro]

key note, late game it's ok to not scale red card as much with its diminishing returns and other x mult jokers getting more out of it

[red briar]

another 2 mercuries

[stoic isle]

i should play some balatro

[red briar]

woot woot

[stoic isle]

but i don't feel like it

[lyric wave]

I usually stop at like +40-+50

[echo sphinx]

this sh so fun to participate in

[cloud sinew]

you should never really "stop" scaling it

[lyric wave]

well yeah but

[ancient gyro]

and pairs don't care about deck bloat compared to other 5 card hands

[lyric wave]

I value it less after that

[red briar]

lvl 6 pair...

[frank grove]

yeah if a pack is bad you might as well skip

[red briar]

1.25x hologram

[frank grove]

nice !! you win these

[red briar]

stuff is looking okay for now but it could totally be looking better

[lyric wave]

how's scoring going?

[cloud sinew]

it can always be better

[red briar]

i have glitched and crazy joker in my shop both of which i don't need

[lyric wave]

misprint tech!!

[cloud sinew]

works in collection

doesnt matter

[red briar]

misprint whatever that is

[lyric wave]

yea

don't grab misprint here

[ancient gyro]

another x mult joker would be cool

[red briar]

i think it's called misprint i don't have it discovered

[cloud sinew]

300 runs and youve not picked up misprint once

[red briar]

nope

[ancient gyro]

couldnt make it out of r1

[lyric wave]

that's insane

[red briar]

i just didn't see the point in it

[lyric wave]

it's good mult early on

not something to rely on, but something that can save you

[cloud sinew]

you dont even know what it does

[red briar]

what's the range on it anyways

[ancient gyro]

tbf it's problematic in its own silly way

0-23

[red briar]

it gives random mult

[echo sphinx]

ig
its a simple mult joker with some rng

i think 0 to 23

[red briar]

regardless

time for the next ante

[cloud sinew]

it's very good early

[red briar]

the hook might be scary though

[cloud sinew]

just not something to rely on in the mid game

[mental bloom]

holy econ

[cloud sinew]

why

youre playing pairs

[red briar]

it could discard my blue seal which woul be not a good time

[lyric wave]

blue sels

yeah

[tacit nova]

17G7RURZ pretty much perfect hanging chad run but i sold against the mark 🙁

[cloud sinew]

one blind of not scaling, boohoo /lh

[red briar]

:C

[stoic isle]

one time i got space joker and oa6 and it failed 5 times in a row

[red briar]

it matters to me...

[stoic isle]

fun

great

[hasty harness]

ante 30

retcon

finallyyyyyyy

[lyric wave]

me when no oops all 6s

[lyric wave]

we're so back

[ancient gyro]

that won't kill you long term

[stoic isle]

oops! no 6

[hasty harness]

it came perfect time

lol

[lyric wave]

lmao

[cloud sinew]

ive had space miss 26 times in a row before. happens eventually if you play with it for long enough

[hasty harness]

idk if i beat ante 32 tho ngl

[lyric wave]

bean would be your best shot

[stoic isle]

then i ran out of discards and had to use one of my hands and it leveled up that

[hasty harness]

yeah bean for brainstorm right

[atomic trout]

No. No noooo nooooo!!

[hasty harness]

i just dont know

[red briar]

👀

[lyric wave]

ye

[hasty harness]

if the extra handsize will be enough

[cloud sinew]

skip

[mental bloom]

1 round and here's how much money I made

[hasty harness]

cuz its -1 copy

[cloud sinew]

wait

WAIT

[hasty harness]

not just handsize

[lyric wave]

hologram

[hasty harness]

but ill try it

[cloud sinew]

i forgot about hologram

[atomic trout]

Brainstorm isn't Eternal!

[lyric wave]

holo value

[frank grove]

hologram?

[mental bloom]

almost 200

[red briar]

what about this shop

[echo sphinx]

should be good to go Next Round

[lyric wave]

bean is +5 permanent hand size if you get it at the right time

[frank grove]

I would go next

[cloud sinew]

i literally said "wait" "WAIT" "i forgot about hologram" twin

[hasty harness]

yeah with bean bug

[red briar]

gulp

it's okay

[frank grove]

i snail ... sorry

[hasty harness]

i cant really use

burglar tho

[cloud sinew]

roll

[red briar]

holy technical reroll

[lyric wave]

burglar would go insane

[cloud sinew]

why would you not roll

[rancid gull]

Goated

[echo sphinx]

owo

[frank grove]

i forgot about the magic trick

[red briar]

time for next anti

ante

[cloud sinew]

even without magic trick why would you not roll

[rancid gull]

Yayuhhhh

[cloud sinew]

theyre well above interest

[rancid gull]

You got this

[red briar]

how the FUCK did i get 11k in one hand

from one pair

[lyric wave]

pairs go nuts

[red briar]

it doesn't make sense with the jokers i have

[cloud sinew]

because you have a very good setup

[frank grove]

saving for packs since the next boss is hook right?

[ancient gyro]

chip scaling moment

[cloud sinew]

yes it does

[shell dagger]

Bc pairs are the best hand in the game

[red briar]

does it ?

[shell dagger]

And you have chips mult xmult

[red briar]

regardless

[echo sphinx]

setup is good
+chips, +mult, xmult

[lyric wave]

it's because you've played this game really well and made choices that made your jokers stronger

[ancient gyro]

fyi, scoring with flushes will yield a similar result with far more work

[cloud sinew]

you have very good chips scaling with blue seals, you have very good +mult scaling with red card, and you have hologram and magic trick

[red briar]

do i rr

[cloud sinew]

roll

[rancid gull]

Sure

[ancient gyro]

chariot

[echo sphinx]

chairot and roll

[lyric wave]

you have scaling +mult, scaling xmult, and blue joker with adding a shitload of cards to your deck

[red briar]

erosion and the world

[ancient gyro]

lol

[lyric wave]

erosion is funny here

but don't

[red briar]

both not very useful

[shell dagger]

Chariot even better cos mime

[frank grove]

yeah

[ancient gyro]

I'll take world if nothing else better

[fickle mesa]

this is like the biggest straight ever i think

[red briar]

time 4 next ante

or next blind

[cloud sinew]

"even better" is still not good though, red card is scaled very high

[atomic trout]

I lost

[ancient gyro]

pair scaling

blue seal

[rancid gull]

It’s okay chungus you did it

[frank grove]

yeah but they're like level 12 pair already or something

[ancient gyro]

it's a 3 dollar well worth investment

[lyric wave]

red card is their mult source though

[frank grove]

just throw the steal on the blue seal

[red briar]

yay

[atomic trout]

How do you reach Ante 12 on Black Deck?

[lyric wave]

and that triggers after the fact

[echo sphinx]

yay, blue seal!

[cloud sinew]

why are you trying to do that lmao

[ancient gyro]

why not more scaling for something that's not gonna kill them regardless of either decision

[fickle mesa]

also am back, i imagine everyone mustve missed me hehe

[lyric wave]

if you can get through the early and midgame, the joker slot

[cloud sinew]

because its money

[red briar]

2 plutos

grrr

[shell dagger]

The same way you reach ante 16 on plasma just with a harder early

[frank grove]

yeah but 3 dollar for a little bit extra scoring on the blue seal they haev to hold anyway si fine

[lyric wave]

wb

[echo sphinx]

rip, gluttony for the 7 gold

[atomic trout]

Because I'm curious

[red briar]

another blue seal

[rancid gull]

Petroglyph!!!!

[red briar]

[atomic trout]

And die early too

[red briar]

time for boss blind

[lyric wave]

take it

[atomic trout]

Plasma is weird

[atomic trout]

Nuu

[rancid gull]

Exactly

Believe in yourself

[red briar]

should i justice a card into a glass card just incase i need it

[atomic trout]

Hell no.

[shell dagger]

Sure

[red briar]

i don't imagine i will but still

[lyric wave]

plasma is an easier earlygame with a harder midgame and a trivial lategame with enough xmult

[ancient gyro]

you suggest them to roll down a few shops ago and now you're telling them to not take chariot in a blue seal heavy run?

[echo sphinx]

sure, why not

[lyric wave]

you could sure

[echo sphinx]

this hypocrite man

[shell dagger]

What hand is carta mas alta

[cloud sinew]

???

[atomic trout]

High Card

[cloud sinew]

i do not see how i'm a hypocrite

[atomic trout]

I always play high card

[echo sphinx]

mime
well over $30
"dont take steel"

[shell dagger]

Interesting

[slow iris]

i love money

[cloud sinew]

how does that make me a hypocrite

[lyric wave]

rolling has value

steel is throwing away money

[red briar]

time for medium

[frank grove]

thats not hypocrite though thats just a bad opinion

[cloud sinew]

literally

[atomic trout]

High Card. I love it

[cloud sinew]

can't blame me for disagreeing when youre just using the wrong term

[red briar]

this deck...

[shell dagger]

I am a beginner at Spanish but i didnt think hc would be translated to something like hand most tall

[frank grove]

like does it matter to take the chariot no not really they win anyway but with mime its probably worth it

[leaden dragon]

uh

[leaden dragon]

do y'all have joker ideas

[cloud sinew]

highest card

[stoic isle]

can someone say "idk just take a random one" for me rq

[rancid gull]

You

You’re a joker now

[atomic trout]

DAMN right

[rancid gull]

Welcome to the club

[leaden dragon]

hmmm

[cloud sinew]

you should be playing pairs over high cards really

[stoic isle]

please

[atomic trout]

Carta alta. High Card

[echo sphinx]

sorry
emotion got in the way over this one user

[cloud sinew]

pairs scale better and have better joker synergy for not much consistency loss

[leaden dragon]

+15 hypermult >:)

[red briar]

another 2 mercuries

[atomic trout]

No. 🧿⚰️🙉

[lyric wave]

pairs are top 1 hand, even if hc is top 2

[red briar]

we are at level 8 pair now

[faint linden]

Fuck it. ^15 mult

[atomic trout]

Sometimes I have to

[cloud sinew]

hc is not top 2, it's overshadowed by pair too much to be that high

[faint linden]

We teaching him pairslop?

[rancid gull]

Ahhhhh

[atomic trout]

That's gross

[red briar]

3.75x mult hologram

[frank grove]

yeah hc is in the obelisk shadow if pair was the stone tower

[red briar]

i got dis

[echo sphinx]

eris bing second looks so wrong

[red briar]

btw is it fine to spend if you're over 25$

[cloud sinew]

eris bing 👽

[atomic trout]

Third place High Card

[leaden dragon]

tux penguin, he gives ^15 mult if the player is playing on linux

[red briar]

as long as you meet interest cap u can spend?

[lyric wave]

yes

[echo sphinx]

bogos binted

[atomic trout]

Your name is literally Checkers

[lyric wave]

ideally be above interest cap so you preserve money, which you can use while still being above interest cap

[frank grove]

yeah thats roughly what you want to do, but spread your rolls and dont roll down too much in one shop

[hasty harness]

hallucination fr hit once on 6 triggers

💀

[red briar]

level 10 pairs...

[faint linden]

I saw the stake indicator. How are you feeling?

[rancid gull]

We taught him pair slop

[echo sphinx]

more or less
(i start thinking of reroll like $5 over max interest)

[stoic isle]

WHY ARE YOU TEACHING THE NEW PLAYER PAIRSLOP

[lyric wave]

because it's good

[cloud sinew]

because they want to win

thats actually all they care about rn

[stoic isle]

IT'S BORING

[echo sphinx]

we love this community

[cloud sinew]

THEY WANT TO WIN

[red briar]

should i grab this voucher

[frank grove]

but it works, also the first time you do it its not that boring

[cloud sinew]

AND SO WE ARE TEACHING THEM HOW TO

[rancid gull]

WINNING IS FUN

[echo sphinx]

WINNING IS FUN

[lyric wave]

yessssssss

[rancid gull]

AND YES

[lyric wave]

well wait

how much money are you at @red briar

[stoic isle]

I DON'T CARE THE WHOLE POINT OF A GAME IS TO HAVE FUN

[lyric wave]

winning is fun

[rancid gull]

PAIR SLOP IS FUN THOUGH

[faint linden]

It would help his collection

[rancid gull]

I THINK

[stoic isle]

ONE META ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER IS NOT FUN

[cloud sinew]

why are you policing their fun.
if theyre having fun then shut up ❤️

[echo sphinx]

check your balance
$35 or over i take (unless if going into boss blind)

[cloud sinew]

@red briar are you having fun

[faint linden]

RTB is fun imo

[red briar]

e r

if i win this red stake i'll be having fun sure

[cloud sinew]

keep your yap shut @stoic isle

[frank grove]

you win these for sure

[stoic isle]

kinda sounds like chat is just telling them what to do instead of letting him play and figure the game out himself

[red briar]

lvl 12 pair sure is fun

[ancient gyro]

oh look it's the fun police

[stoic isle]

retrograde

[cloud sinew]

they lost 300 games in a row

and came in here asking for help

[echo sphinx]

i like the part where the score is on fire

[rancid gull]

Score on fire is awesome

[echo sphinx]

if pairslop helps with that then ill sloppair

[faint linden]

It's a tutorial. Let us teach him how to cook

[rancid gull]

TRUE

Jugger will be a chef too