🕹・game-discussion

[olive stirrup]

I thought that was a deck, i confused it with anaglyph

[lofty vault]

I'm stupid ok

[cloud sinew]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[lofty vault]

Anyways it's upgraded voucher removes a discard size but -1 ante

[rancid gull]

I feel like a deck that has both heiroglyph and Petroglphy right off the bat would be so fucking strong

[gentle basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvxSAY-s1M
he takes it in ante 1

[cloud sinew]

if it had the downsides then no it wouldnt

[pastel pagoda]

I wonder what would happen in you go to ante -1

[lunar fjord]

nothing

[ancient gyro]

nothing

[rancid gull]

Did I cook then???

[lunar fjord]

its the same as ante 0

[olive stirrup]

Bro has never got a hieroglyph ante 1

[rancid gull]

Archaeological Deck

I’ll call it

[quartz salmon]

Can I survive this? I have zero flush five levels

[pastel pagoda]

I have never got hieroglyph and the other voucher ante 1

[slow iris]

it's the same as ante 0

[lofty vault]

He's doc tho he can calculate stuff insanely well I can't calculate I'll die with -1 hand

[quartz salmon]

I don’t have retcon so I would just have to pray for a luchador

[pastel pagoda]

Ah ok

Makes sense

[cloud sinew]

you literally prove yourself wrong with this example

[lunar fjord]

or u get the voucher

[olive stirrup]

Brb im just gonna try my first ever gold stake run on ghost

[lunar fjord]

u might be sble to score enough

[gentle basalt]

how?

[ancient gyro]

what sane brokowski takes an a1 voucher

[pastel pagoda]

Roll for luchador. Or just reroll the boss blind if you have retcon

[ancient gyro]

that has a side effect

[sacred maple]

Easy win on the omelette. I received triboulet in the very first skip which was a mega arcana pack + I was able to stack up a lot of kings. Money was no issue too, I got lots of hermits and temperances during this run. One of the most fun runs I had ever.

[gentle basalt]

yeah but he does value it a lot, this was just an extreme case

[lofty vault]

Only if I hit an early immolate or something and the voucher is amazing

[lunar fjord]

is hack or sock better?

[pastel pagoda]

Depends

[lofty vault]

Depends but usually sock

[cloud sinew]

he says it's "something i dont normally consider in ante 1". the reason he takes it is specifically because he's doing a seeded run and he has BEEN TOLD by the person sending the seed that it has a "really strong first ante, but then there is very little scoring after that"

[pastel pagoda]

Usually sock

[gentle basalt]

also overstock ante 1 (yellow deck supremacy)

[ancient gyro]

very contextual and unreasonable
doesn't remove the downside

[lunar fjord]

what about boss blinds and things?

or is it just better

[pastel pagoda]

Sock is just better unless pplant

plant

[lofty vault]

Even if I have money to burn I'm probably not taking the voucher cuz id rather have interest

[frank grove]

Also doesnt doc talk about why he takes it for like 10 minutes in that video?

[ancient gyro]

sock has more econ options

[pastel pagoda]

There are more jokers that benefit off of face cards scoring and they have more base chips

[ivory elbow]

Or abandoned

[rocky helm]

what's the easiest deck to unlock satellite

[pastel pagoda]

yeah that too

[rocky helm]

i had it before

[ivory elbow]

Nebula

[lunar fjord]

but with wee u can get even more

[pastel pagoda]

Yeah thats why i said most of the times

[lofty vault]

That's why the word usually is important here

[gentle basalt]

something i dont normally consider in ante 1
yeah ofcourse nobody really considers heiroglyph in ante 1 because of limited econ

but he definitely takes it quite often in ~ante 3-4
he also says "is it worth it? usually"

[rocky helm]

wait im tweaking i mean satellite

[terse dock]

get it twisted

[lofty vault]

But it's not hieroglyph it's go back in time

[terse dock]

always pivot to fibonacci

[pastel pagoda]

I feel like you should stop treating doctor's words like the holy bible

[ancient gyro]

if it's rotating, I will consider sock over hack with more econ sources. scoring isn't a really significant determining factor for choosing what retrigger

[lofty vault]

The Fibonacci pivot is amazing

[gentle basalt]

get a 68 win streak and ill agree

[ivory elbow]

Myself I got it with to the moon and both the investment vouchers

[cloud sinew]

"is it worth it? usually" isnt explained much at all. he says the same things youve said, which i disagree with. just because doc does something doesnt make it good, you're appealing to authority rn.

[frank grove]

Yeah doc is amazing at the game he can win those sent seeds in like 10 mins on average the reason he takes things that might not be the most optimal is to teach thats the point

[ancient gyro]

second hand sourcing

[lofty vault]

Doc says I shouldn't spend all my money on rerolls but that's not gonna stop me

[rocky helm]

alr

[ancient gyro]

some of his gs runs pissed me off with how he optimizes some things incorrectly like campfire timing and replacing jokers in and out

[lofty vault]

Especially on the finishing blind I'll reroll like my life depends on it cuz it probably does

[gentle basalt]

isnt that normal for everyone

[pastel pagoda]

He is just too good to care about optimizing

[ancient gyro]

3 antes in a row in one of his vids a few months ago he overfed campfire for what was supposed to be an econ management lesson on how to use campfire

[lofty vault]

Fish mog

[ancient gyro]

mostly for stickering

[frank notch]

reroll but never go below your interest cap doing this

[pastel pagoda]

Honestly I rarely take campfire because I either overfeed it or I starve it

No inbetween

[frank notch]

going below your interest cap loses you money

[frank grove]

i love campfire

[cloud sinew]

doc doesnt have the highest winstreak, so why are you listening to him over the person with the highest winstreak

[ivory elbow]

So real

[lunar fjord]

isnt it reroll equal or less than how much u make in a run

[ancient gyro]

never reroll for no reason as price hikes up*

[lofty vault]

Is hieroglyph good? Well it falls into what 99% of balatro is it depends/is situational

[lunar fjord]

*round

[pastel pagoda]

No

[serene forge]

i hate queso am i weird

[cloud sinew]

you can generalise even if it is situational

[lofty vault]

Mf that's just cheese

[pastel pagoda]

The interest cap gives you money

[cloud sinew]

for example, bloodstone is generally bad

[fringe nebula]

eh

sometimes doc do some weird ass plays i can't comprehend

[pastel pagoda]

Which allows you to roll more as a result

[gentle basalt]

i do not have proof of anyone higher
tell me when they make a youtube channel at least covering some of their runs

it is easy to literally make your win streak square of what it should be, by using game glitches that I managed to find as well

[serene forge]

it's not "just cheese"

[olive stirrup]

Goated run right there

[quartz salmon]

Goodbye to a beautiful run, my closest run to a naneinf, never did find the retcon

[lofty vault]

Only thing that isn't situational is early banana

[serene forge]

noob

[lofty vault]

Early banana good

[lunar fjord]

its not that reliable tho

[cloud sinew]

the highest winstreak is 93 on blue deck gold stake by suiii

[pastel pagoda]

Early banana is just goated

[olive stirrup]

SOME balatro players when u don't have c++

[pastel pagoda]

Helps you survive 1 round atleast

[lunar fjord]

ye

[lofty vault]

Potassium intake is very reliable

[pastel pagoda]

And you unlock cavendish

[gentle basalt]

yes, but where is the proof

you can find ways to lose and still not lose win streak fyi...

[pastel pagoda]

Most of the times you just take the early banana without questions

[ancient gyro]

who's to say doc wasn't guilty of doing the same thing

[ivory elbow]

Like 5 people from everyone chatting here rn has c++ I think

[lunar fjord]

but u will need to find a replacement

[cloud sinew]

no you can't. there is no way to lose but not lose your winstreak without cheating outright (mods, save file editors)

restarts reset your winstreak

[gentle basalt]

incorrect, i've done it (on accident few times, and then on purpose, to check)

[lofty vault]

Ain't that how a win streak works

[frank grove]

doesnt resetting even reset it?

[gentle basalt]

lose, and then close game, reopen game

[olive stirrup]

The C++² people

[pastel pagoda]

Doc would never do such a thing! He is the god of balatro and my lord, why would he need to do this??????? /s

[gentle basalt]

game reopens at home screen, win streak intact

except if your previous was also a loss

[lunar fjord]

zip it up once ur done atp

[fringe nebula]

resetting makes ws go to 0

[cloud sinew]

restarting normally doesnt count as a loss

[fringe nebula]

yea

[ivory elbow]

I don't even have c man

[frank grove]

yeah

[olive stirrup]

Holy glaze

[cloud sinew]

for mr bones and for your stats excluding winstreak

[lofty vault]

I have maybe a Q

[ivory elbow]

What

[ancient gyro]

markiplier would never cheat on 10/20 mode fnaf2 🥀

[frank grove]

i feel like resetting should count as restarting a win streak?

[olive stirrup]

Me with like 1 red stake win

[lofty vault]

Q for questionable strategies

[ivory elbow]

I meant I don't have completionist

[pastel pagoda]

I honestly want to get all gold stickers on all jokers before unlock tarot merchant +

[ivory elbow]

What's your strat

[ancient gyro]

that's what it does currently

[gentle basalt]

the fact that several people were able to improve severely to the point of having good win rates following his advice

[serene forge]

actual skill issue

[pastel pagoda]

Just to show how much I hate it

[lofty vault]

Win

[olive stirrup]

Got to ante 3 btw

[frank grove]

oh i misread a message sorry

[pastel pagoda]

Well I gave someone advice

[serene forge]

would've gone further if you didn't skip fucking green joker 🥀

[ancient gyro]

o

[pastel pagoda]

And it seemed to help but like

[fringe nebula]

you didn't take grimbo???

[pastel pagoda]

You dont wanna consider what I am saying

[fringe nebula]

kekw

[ivory elbow]

I went from 3 to 32 wins in a day js by watching that guy

[gentle basalt]

congrats!

[cloud sinew]

that doesnt mean he's perfect, it just means he's better than other people.

[lunar fjord]

is balatro more luck or skill reliant?

[serene forge]

hook ante 1 is mega cringe but whatever

[lunar fjord]

its luck right?

[olive stirrup]

Broski green Joker is not good, i maybe hate that Joker unless is with burglar

[fringe nebula]

skill

[serene forge]

poly gronkler

[pastel pagoda]

Mostly skill

[cloud sinew]

it's almost entirely skill

[pastel pagoda]

But luck is pretty important too

[ivory elbow]

SON WHAT

[lunar fjord]

yeah

[lofty vault]

Balatro

[ancient gyro]

heiroglyph isn't in that ballpark, playing enough black deck has shown its symptoms of being inconsistent

[olive stirrup]

Def luck

[pastel pagoda]

this guy has the most ahh takes ever

[cloud sinew]

notice how mostly new players are saying luck and mostly experienced players are saying skill

[serene forge]

you wanna say that again

[lunar fjord]

i would say its a combanation of the two

[cloud sinew]

it's almost entirely skill

[ivory elbow]

Worst sentence ever?

[lofty vault]

My gold stakes red deck run would like to have a word with you

[frank grove]

Its almost all skill

[serene forge]

@olive stirrup what do you think of bloodstone

[lunar fjord]

cuz if u get a run with only suns its imposible to win

[ancient gyro]

luck determines decisions, skill determines win rate.

[cloud sinew]

if it wasn't then a 93 winstreak at gold stake would be statistically impossible

[pastel pagoda]

You can win without using tarot cards

[fringe nebula]

say that again?

here's my winstreak exclusive stats

[serene forge]

packs exist, so your dumb hypothetical example doesn't even make sense

[frank grove]

yeah

[ancient gyro]

too low 🗣️

[cloud sinew]

there is a seed with entirely planets in the shop and it's winnable, so your point is invalid

[gentle basalt]

btw, have you checked their most used jokers? it seems completely different than anyone else decent i know on gold stake

[frank grove]

Even bugged seeds still are beatable

[lofty vault]

I ankh a green joker and that mf carried me to a gold stakes victory

[lunar fjord]

its an exaggeration

it takes both

[serene forge]

im surprised jesus didn't take the ante 2 throwback icl

[ivory elbow]

Throwback is so good

[pastel pagoda]

It take both but it definetely takes less of one of those

[lofty vault]

Madness is amazing

[pastel pagoda]

Holy white stake

[cloud sinew]

their stats are completely expected

[ancient gyro]

tbf blue deck gives you a lot of room for you to play frickin whatever

[pastel pagoda]

This is the most white stake thing I have ever seen

[rocky helm]

im looking insinde

[ivory elbow]

???

[gentle basalt]

how do you even get that many bp and bs

[lofty vault]

What are you doing with all those blues

[ivory elbow]

I have it on orange sticker I love using throwback man

[cloud sinew]

do you understand how stats are tracked

it's completed rounds, not how many times you get the joker

[frank grove]

most peoples with like hundreds of runs tracked have bp/bs at the top

[gentle basalt]

i am aware

[cloud sinew]

blueprint and brainstorm are 2 of the most likely jokers to be kept for the whole game

[serene forge]

i have blueprint like 3rd

and brainstorm 6th

[cloud sinew]

so if you find them and take them youre almost always going to keep them

[ancient gyro]

prob just an influx of rare dupes

[gentle basalt]

yet, i have never seen other gold stake players have it in top 10

[serene forge]

bro

jesus, you're ass

[gentle basalt]

like rares are infact rare

[lofty vault]

They are almost always the joker you sell something for even if you already have like 3

[pastel pagoda]

They are infact rare

[leaden dragon]

when are we getting another new roster?

[versed sable]

<- endless player

[frank grove]

they're actually not that rare btw

[cloud sinew]

heres my mobile stats, and my steam stats.

[pastel pagoda]

Its just that you take them almost always

[cloud sinew]

you clearly just havent seen many peoples stats

[brittle umbra]

how long do y'all wait to buy your first jokers ?

[frank grove]

depends on the deck

[pastel pagoda]

and other jokers are more situatonal that bp/bs definetely

[serene forge]

depends

[ancient gyro]

I could force a pickup if I wanted to replicate it since obbylicks somehow got into my top 10 from 3 runs with multiple duplicates

[lofty vault]

I got

[ivory elbow]

2nd-3rd shop and 1st if something good

[serene forge]

if ante 1 boss blind is manacle or hook you probably want a joker for that

[lofty vault]

0 econs we staying broke as fuck

[serene forge]

if it isn't you can usually get by without a joker

[leaden dragon]

i don't have my phone rn but my most used on mobile are misprint and even steven iirc

[frank grove]

yeah, if you're on plasma or checkered you can get away with not buying a joker for a little longer

[ancient gyro]

like ofc you're not gonna see many if at all any rares on something like black deck c++ where I'm playing suboptimally to sticker things that aren't blueprint and brainstorm

[leaden dragon]

am i an airball for ts?

i have barely even beat white stake

[olive stirrup]

Gold stake is fucking imposible istg

[cloud sinew]

it isnt

[gentle basalt]

how many times will you mention your black deck c++?

[olive stirrup]

Skill issue

[cloud sinew]

ive done it hundreds of times

[olive stirrup]

Bro u have c++

[cloud sinew]

it's cool and fun

[cloud sinew]

yes

[lofty vault]

C++²

[ancient gyro]

some jokers have different priority between c++ and win streaks

[olive stirrup]

I only have 1 red stake win

[serene forge]

it's impossible because you're taking a fucking perishable baron in ante 4

what are you doing

[frank grove]

Yeah i wouldnt jump from red stake to gold

[serene forge]

legitimately

[ancient gyro]

until this account gets banned again

[olive stirrup]

Only was trying

[lofty vault]

Baron...

[olive stirrup]

Idk how to play gold stake

[leaden dragon]

C--

[cloud sinew]

start by winning every stake until gold stake

[nova leaf]

Does blueprint copy riff raff

[lunar fjord]

yes

[versed sable]

yes

[cloud sinew]

yes

[olive stirrup]

?

[pastel pagoda]

Huh?

[olive stirrup]

It does?

[nova leaf]

That's 1v3 pal

[lofty vault]

Eternal riff raff is wild

[versed sable]

lmfao

[pastel pagoda]

Riff-raff is compatible?

[cloud sinew]

yes

[ivory elbow]

Jesus getting mogged

[cloud sinew]

yes

[olive stirrup]

Holy

[pastel pagoda]

Never knew that

[nova leaf]

Yeah I'm just fucking around giga

[olive stirrup]

X2

[versed sable]

Balatro discord out of context

[pastel pagoda]

Do not fear the eternal riff raffd

[cloud sinew]

if you dont know then dont say anything

[pastel pagoda]

It will give you photochad

Trust

[cloud sinew]

it's worse to spread misinformation than to say nothing

[lofty vault]

Clearly y'all don't know peak builds

[nova leaf]

I stopped playing Balatro for like 7 months and I'm tryna get some runs in for fun

[pastel pagoda]

Common maxxing

[nova leaf]

I don't really think I'm playing like a competent person but it's been fun

[olive stirrup]

Broski who would have blueprint and riff raff early game to discover ts

[lofty vault]

It worked kinda until I died

[serene forge]

i guess

[versed sable]

me :3

[gentle basalt]

what about when you said there is no way to keep your win streak on loss

[icy swift]

my only two gold stickers left i just cannot get them in a run its making me sad....

[lunar fjord]

is it possible for riff raff to riff raff another riff raff?

[lofty vault]

Small question who tf is that

[serene forge]

gronkler

[cloud sinew]

all you did was say something is true. ive yet to be shown that to be the case

[olive stirrup]

Idk

[versed sable]

uhh
with showman, sure?

[lunar fjord]

oh yea

[lofty vault]

Poly makes some jokers impossible to tell apart

[cloud sinew]

only with showman

[lunar fjord]

i forgot abt showman

[leaden dragon]

i ❤️ vanilla plus mods

[lofty vault]

(mainly Jimbo and grimbo)

[torn laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tksJbDi38tQ&list=RDtksJbDi38tQ&start_radio=1

[versed sable]

or they just look stupid

:3

[pastel pagoda]

Holon this is fire

[lofty vault]

What's the worst looking negative

[cloud sinew]

foil astro tricking you into thinking it's blueprint

[ivory elbow]

Drivers license

[pastel pagoda]

Foil astro is still very good

[leaden dragon]

he looks drugged

[torn laurel]

that video its straight up gas

[slow iris]

free win

[cloud sinew]

campfire and red card were my worst rated negative card arts
-# THIS IS A NEGATIVE CARD ART TIER LIST. THEY ARENT NEGATIVE IN THE IMAGE BECAUSE IT WAS A BOUNTY, IT WAS MEANT TO BE GUESSED.

[leaden dragon]

he's right

[lofty vault]

Hol up this is fire

[untold onyx]

get yourself the kind of run that needs you to discard 4 times

[leaden dragon]

flash card appreciation❤️‍🩹

[ancient gyro]

i think most of the time you don't see bp/bs from like "good" players here is that they play c++ which require you to make suboptimal decisions, ditching versatile jokers over something niche.

for players that focus on win streaks like brooke or vayn, theyll have more generalized stats that will inflate more commonly kept jokers regardless of what you need to sticker. those usage numbers will constantly climb because they provide the most amount of benefits across multiple scenarios, perhaps explaining the inflated rare usage.

[lofty vault]

Red card becoming yellow card is fire tho

[ivory elbow]

Cool

[gentle basalt]

3 consecutive screenshots i took just now (now that i think of it, i should have played pairs to make sure it increases my counter, but trust me)

[ancient gyro]

i disagree

[lofty vault]

Or poly red card just becoming an oil spill

[pastel pagoda]

True

[cloud sinew]

its ugly as hell

[lofty vault]

gren

[leaden dragon]

have y'all played all in jest?

incredibly underrated

[pastel pagoda]

I mostly play white stake runs and my 2 most used jokers are blueprint and brainstorm

[nova leaf]

Well this will be a mechanical run

Wait no wrong one

[gentle basalt]

(i cant do it again unfortunately, it resets on 2 consecutive losses in my experience)

[nova leaf]

This one

[versed sable]

i think it has the upside of "funny" at least

[cloud sinew]

ah. that is because of cloud save manipulation, not because of the game inherently, but your point does still stand

it's just mobile only

[brave goblet]

Tried to greed by ankhing a hexed baron, died instantly

[lofty vault]

Skill issue

[lofty vault]

Bait

[ancient gyro]

tbf I've accidentally found out about this once on my black++ expedition

[brave goblet]

I had a photochad too

oh well

[lofty vault]

Bait

[torn laurel]

the "good players" 🗣️ im dead.

[pastel pagoda]

I think they meant people who did c++

[cloud sinew]

well yeah, C++ is sometimes used in here to mean youre skilled but it absolutely does not mean that

[lofty vault]

I don't know what I'm trying to do in balatro ngl

[gentle basalt]

C++ has little correlation with skill...look at win% instead

[versed sable]

i did c++ and i'm sht 🔥

[gentle basalt]

C++ is just proof of having enough time

[lofty vault]

General goal is all of it but idk how I'ma get that done so I'ma do everything I can until I get sick of it

[ancient gyro]

c++ is a time investment
win streaks is a skill oriented challenge

[torn laurel]

ive been trying to get an ante 39 perkeoless run but the rng its way to insane and i might never get it

[cloud sinew]

win% would be fine if it counted restarts

[ancient gyro]

or wr

[lofty vault]

Chat how about instead of these c++² players it's c+⁵

[versed sable]

Be me, do it multiple times

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[torn laurel]

show me those multiple times

[cloud sinew]

it's going to be way more rng after 1.1

because you cant do crimson or chicot bug

[pastel pagoda]

Agreed

[leaden dragon]

does anyone know a mod that adds new face cards like princes and butlers

[pastel pagoda]

Screw that guy

[cosmic sun]

I hate Bloodstone

[cloud sinew]

#⚙・modding-general

put modded stuff here, per rule 11

[lofty vault]

I hate rough gem

[pastel pagoda]

We ALL hate bloodstone

[ancient gyro]

outside of vayn

[versed sable]

Okay, technically i've only done it once so far, but the reasons the other two times didn't happen are

1. i accidentally scored naneinf so i quit the run
2. i'm still in the run

but here's proof of one -w-

[torn laurel]

im talking about ante 39 perkeoless with no bugs

not naneinf

[lofty vault]

Thank you type of plant

[versed sable]

you didn't specify bugless lol

[torn laurel]

dawg

[serene forge]

noob

[leaden dragon]

so uh

how do i make mods

[lofty vault]

It's called checkered deck

[leaden dragon]

i wanna add shit like the mimic as a legendary joker

[gentle basalt]

perkeoless but not bugless is kinda weird ngl

[versed sable]

[lofty vault]

I'd start by going to the modding channel

[gentle basalt]

like you are willing to make use of a bug, but not a joker that is literally in the game

[pastel pagoda]

dude go to the modding channel

[torn laurel]

true. we should be allowed to cheat in any game

[versed sable]

Subjective

[cloud sinew]

i think its fine

[versed sable]

because perkeo is a lot harder to find than a bean run lol

[serene forge]

noob

[cloud sinew]

bugs are almost certainly going to be patched out eventually, jokers likely arent

[nova leaf]

Should I

[torn laurel]

perkeo its a joker in the game

[lofty vault]

Ok fern 🌧️ 💙FUR ♥️

[torn laurel]

the bean bug its a cheat that someone found

[ancient gyro]

2 bugs and one staple naneinf ingredient getting axed in 1.1

[pastel pagoda]

Its the funny play

[gentle basalt]

what is the second thing?

[fringe nebula]

if your planet level is high enough, go for it

if you still need flash card, no

[nova leaf]

But what am I XMulting in the first place

[cloud sinew]

"cheat" is subjective, youre not breaking any rules by using it

[pastel pagoda]

I wonder if the chicot bug is gonna get patched

[ancient gyro]

old serpent

[versed sable]

Cheating is debatable in a singleplayer game when it's a pretty well known thing, i think

[cloud sinew]

it has been confirmed to be patched in 1.1

[pastel pagoda]

4 mult from the flush

[gentle basalt]

what is new serpent?

[nova leaf]

Flash card?

[pastel pagoda]

Aw

[lofty vault]

Snake

[ancient gyro]

new serpent is capped at 8 hs and you draw at most 3 cards

[lofty vault]

🐍

[gentle basalt]

i see

[fringe nebula]

jj

[lost vault]

cheating is okay in singleplayer games as long ss you dont boast about it

[torn laurel]

it kinda is cheating, the bean joker doesnt work like that

[cloud sinew]

you draw as many cards as you played/discarded, up to a max of 3

[lost vault]

it does though

[nova leaf]

jj? I'm stupid sorry

[lost vault]

its not supposed to but it does

[gentle basalt]

which one is correct?
both are different

[pastel pagoda]

Naneinf is gonna be so much harder

[cloud sinew]

it's not specific to bean, it's specific to hand size effects and crimson heart.

[lost vault]

jflash jcard

[brisk bluff]

Free win ❤️‍🩹

[cloud sinew]

the one i just said

hold on

[leaden dragon]

uh

[lunar fjord]

would they change naneinf?

[torn laurel]

we all know its cheating

[pastel pagoda]

I hope they will

[lunar fjord]

is it possible that they increase chip scoring?

[cloud sinew]

#🎙・server-chat message

[fringe nebula]

please check the name of each joker

[torn laurel]

gotta stop pretending 😂

[lunar fjord]

so that e308 wont be the highest

[leaden dragon]

any ideas for my legendary joker? (it's the mimic from fnaf sotm)

[cloud sinew]

probably not

[nova leaf]

Gulp

[cloud sinew]

that would mean using a different data type for score

[pastel pagoda]

I hope they add some more synergies that can naneinf

[cloud sinew]

it will be emergent, it won't be made for high scores.

the game is balanced around ante 8, endless is secondary to that

[pastel pagoda]

Yeah fair

[gentle basalt]

hmm but the last sentence makes me think its a joke...so maybe its not confirmed yet

[ivory elbow]

Naneinf being like e1000 will be like actually impossible

[lunar fjord]

yeah but

[nova leaf]

I think I need Flash Card and getting madness sounds like a bad play so I will not

[cloud sinew]

blue stake and matador are confirmed to be reworked elsewhere, why would it be a joke

[pastel pagoda]

Naneinf only happened because the game wasnt able to calculate the number

It wasnt even intended

[cloud sinew]

#🎙・server-chat message

"the first 3 are true"

[ancient gyro]

god forbid a cracker get a little chatter action

[cloud sinew]

so hes not removing blue seals

but the rest are true

matador rework, blue stake rework, serpent rework

[pastel pagoda]

WAIT MATADOR REWORK????

[ivory elbow]

Nerfing blue stake, now it's -0.5 discards

[pastel pagoda]

HE WILL ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING NOW????

[winter estuary]

I'm ok with naneinf methods being patched, as long as new viable tech is introduced

[ancient gyro]

new loyalty card resprite in the works

[cloud sinew]

that has been confirmed for a long time lmao

[pastel pagoda]

I live under a rock

[lunar fjord]

arent they changing wild cards too?

[torn laurel]

getting ante 39 perkeoless its insanely hard because you have to get +2 negative jokers on top of the normal perkeoless naneinf rng stuff you gotta get

[cloud sinew]

he's patching them because theyre bugs, not because theyre for naneinf

[winter estuary]

I was primarily talking about the serpent rework

[cloud sinew]

he's patching that because it's not a hard boss blind usually, it's normally helpful

[grizzled robin]

is baron the only way to naneinf

[pastel pagoda]

I wonder if persishable jokers will change

[ivory elbow]

No

[pastel pagoda]

Well yes

But no

[torn laurel]

this might kill the perkeoless ante 39 run

[ancient gyro]

serpent didn't feel like a threat at first encounter

[cloud sinew]

#🕹・game-discussion message "I would hazard to say that serpent is a benefit more than a detriment on a majority of runs
it's just not good at being a boss"

[lunar fjord]

can u naneinf with trib?

[winter estuary]

It is now
idk if anything new is coming

[pastel pagoda]

You can get perkeo

Ectoplasm

And ankh

Then you have to find an eternal joker

[ancient gyro]

you can naneinf with a lot of things with perkeo setups

[pastel pagoda]

Then you copy the joker a bunch of times with the ankhs and extoplasms

[ancient gyro]

excluding bugs

[past ocean]

(I prefer Stencil for the last step)

[cloud sinew]

nothing new will be added for naneinf intentionally

[pastel pagoda]

Yeah stencil is the coolest naneinf

[lunar fjord]

with observatory?

[lost vault]

stuntman

[cloud sinew]

not observatory alone without a ridiculous copying setup

[ancient gyro]

ankh ecto

[pastel pagoda]

Observatory is basically impossible

[lunar fjord]

oh

[lost vault]

it sure isnt

[torn laurel]

if they remove serpent

[ancient gyro]

is the most "joker agnostic"

[past ocean]

It's like 540 planets I think

[rocky helm]

people say that stencil naninf kills you, but if you win the blind and get lucky to get a paintbrush/pallette voucher to have 1 card

[ancient gyro]

well you're not going to be able to burger serpent naneinf in 1.1

[ivory elbow]

Then you die cuz not enough score

[rocky helm]

wdym

you have 87 stencils

[past ocean]

High card gaming

[versed sable]

Can't wait to quit balatro in 1.1 🔥

[pastel pagoda]

you die of hand size

[torn laurel]

that basically makes it so that the only way to get naneinf its with perkeo

[pastel pagoda]

if you get 0 hand size you lose

[rocky helm]

and then if you win the blind, you can get the voucher

if lucky

[cloud sinew]

0.5x(log1.5(1e308)) rounded up is 875, so youd need 875 1.5x's to naneinf on plasma

[torn laurel]

that sucks man

[brisk bluff]

Struggling for 20 years just to randomly get a win handed to you

[gentle basalt]

dont naneinf, simple

[past ocean]

Bro actually did the math

[ancient gyro]

im fine with that, naneinf isnt the core fundamentals of balatro

[cloud sinew]

of course i did, we're talking about math and you just guessed lmao

[past ocean]

Fair point

[pastel pagoda]

thats like a ridicolous amount

[cloud sinew]

exactly

[ivory elbow]

Red stake can't be that deep

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[pastel pagoda]

Yeah

[serene forge]

that's orang

[pastel pagoda]

But amber acorn is brutal

[torn laurel]

or maybe just stay playing on 1.0?

[serene forge]

i'm fucking colorblind and i can tell that's orang

[cosmic sun]

I hate Baron and Barron

[versed sable]

lmfao

[cloud sinew]

you need an average of ~7.17 planets a round with getting perkeo as soon as possible (after 1 blind, either skipping or from shop). so youd need to find 7 copiers VERY fast

[serene forge]

good

[ivory elbow]

Mb I'm colorblind prob

[rocky helm]

its orange

[winter estuary]

I'm p sure this doesn't work, your hand size is stored at like -1000 internally

[torn laurel]

never mind this isnt terraria

[serene forge]

the less reason to play endless, the better

[cloud sinew]

this doesnt work

it's stored at a negative value internally, as ever said

[pastel pagoda]

Without endless you cant get your wee to 9000 chips

[rocky helm]

alr, because this is haunting me

[serene forge]

you have negative handsize

the game just displays it as 0

so adding handsize won't work

[cosmic sun]

I would smoke that endless pack but it will probably still exist

[cloud sinew]

think about it like rock bottom in isaac, if you understand what im talking about

[serene forge]

do i need an over 9000 wee to win

[cloud sinew]

youd need to get as much +handsize* as you took negative handsize before being able to see an increase
-# minus your base handsize

[pastel pagoda]

yes

[serene forge]

i need to play isaac again

[past ocean]

Js missed a negative skip with 8 double tags and the next one's in ante 30 (I'm in ante 14) 😭

[ivory elbow]

Oh boi is that a niche sigma boi reference to the meme from the pop culture "it's over 9000"

[pastel pagoda]

God damit

You could have gotten showman and 7 jimbos

[past ocean]

Pinnacle of skill I tell you

[cloud sinew]

negative showman wouldve been a good hit for endless

[serene forge]

its fine negative tag is cring

[past ocean]

Worse than t

👍

[brisk bluff]

7 perkeos would be more favorable

Ngl

[leaden dragon]

is steamodded bugged rn

[pastel pagoda]

All the jokers you see are jimbos untill you sell the showman

[cloud sinew]

its always bugged twin

also not the channel for this

#⚙・modding-support

[ivory elbow]

Why did everyone die

[pastel pagoda]

Heart attak

[past ocean]

?????

[brisk bluff]

Because they’re waiting for the next screenshot of my gold stake black deck run

[rocky helm]

this channel is hilarious, like it is so active with everyone helping everyone else and/or a heating argument hapenning, and then the next second people go all silent and not respond to everyone else

[ivory elbow]

So true

[cloud sinew]

because there arent really that many people in chat

[woven spire]

hallo

[leaden dragon]

anyone wanna play multiplayer rn?

bored asf

[cloud sinew]

the server is only active when the 10 (hyperbole) people who normally talk here are here, and then +2 new people

[serene forge]

hi

[rocky helm]

sure

[woven spire]

hallo

[cloud sinew]

2 years without content updates will do that to a community tbh

[versed sable]

-# and i'm just a lurker
-# (and new, tbf)

[woven spire]

true

am i in those 10?)

[ivory elbow]

I joined this server literally today

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon im down to play mp

[leaden dragon]

look for me dawg

erictheepicguy

[past ocean]

I've never talked here, I joined to wait for 1.1

[cloud sinew]

you will be waiting with the rest of us then <3

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon wut??

[cloud sinew]

i assumed it would be delayed in the first place because thunk has spoken about how he doesnt like deadlines and promises

[leaden dragon]

my name is in there

[rocky helm]

in where

wait im stupid

[leaden dragon]

the lobbies???

[past ocean]

Where]

[leaden dragon]

IDBDT (code)

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon im in

[cloud sinew]

<@&1133519078540185692>

wrong reply

[leaden dragon]

uh

[rocky helm]

sigh <@&1133519078540185692>

[pastel pagoda]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

[craggy hearth]

bam

[cloud sinew]

i was already typing a message and then i quickly pinged mods

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon ready up

[leaden dragon]

it's telling me to tell you to make a new profile and unlock everything

[rocky helm]

ah

i swear

[leaden dragon]

i don't make the rules ig

[rocky helm]

im on unlockall

ok wait

[ivory elbow]

10 000 polychrome jolly jokers from that one cryptid joker

[rocky helm]

what about now

[leaden dragon]

m

[rocky helm]

ok lets go

[ivory elbow]

Why did the first half of my message js disappear

[past ocean]

I never understood Crypid's obsession with Jolly Jokers and the letter m

[rocky helm]

speak of jolly joker @leaden dragon

[rocky helm]

they have it in the wiki

[plain briar]

dusk or chad

[ivory elbow]

They were just feeling a little... jolly

[hidden lance]

ahhhhh

[past ocean]

Chad for yaoi

[pastel pagoda]

Okay I think I know the lore

[cloud sinew]

#🙋・frequently-asked: "I will not answer questions about future content in the game. This allows me to work freely without making promises publicly and remove content that doesn't end up working well with the game."
and
"the update will be out when it's done and tested"
as well as saying before the 1.1 delay post that it's out when it's out, and it's done when it's done

[pastel pagoda]

So theere was this guy in the discord server of cryotid mod who always spammed m

and when the dev asked them what their least favourite joker was they sad jolly joker

[rocky helm]

yes

thats it i think

[ivory elbow]

It's 1 am and I'm trying not to laugh at sad jolly joker

[past ocean]

Is that where m chain came from?

[rocky helm]

yes

[cloud sinew]

no

wait

[rocky helm]

oh wait

yes

every m joker is from that'

[cloud sinew]

sorry i thought you replied to the least favourite thing

[versed sable]

Sad joker, -8 mult if played hand contains a pair.

[rocky helm]

rawg the guy is still on ante 1 boss are we joking

[ivory elbow]

Ts genuinely frying me so hard

[manic talon]

would you rather X25 or X27

[cloud sinew]

balatrodle in 3

YAY new balatrodle just dropped

[willow frost]

spawn camping balatrodle is insane

[plain briar]

do i take rare skip tag and hope for brainstorm

[ivory elbow]

Can someone give this a buff so this isn't js negative so this is balanced and can work as a joker in a mod

[lost vault]

x9

[rocky helm]

let me think 🤔

[willow frost]

and -6 dollars a round

winning

[willow frost]

might as well

[rocky helm]

-10 mult if contains pair, +3 mult every time hand with pair is played. Caps at +45. Negative mult converts to x1.

[manic talon]

true shouldve copied the rental cavendish

[gloomy quartz]

desicions desicions

[slow iris]

👀

[lost vault]

bets move

[fringe nebula]

skip

[plain briar]

we always gamble

[cloud sinew]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

[still pike]

I beat black stake ghost deck

[lost vault]

oopstronaut > oopstone

[ivory elbow]

Gg

[cloud sinew]

balatrodle in 7, im gonna go apeshit
SPOILER IS FOR BALATRODLE ❗ DO NOT REVEAL IF YOU CARE ABOUT BALATRODLE SPOILERS

[fringe nebula]

it's fine on green stake ig

[still pike]

My glass kings i had for 3 or 4 antes never broke

[olive stirrup]

First ever gold stake win

[rocky helm]

If you get a holographic sad joker it just cancels out

[plain briar]

what do i replace

[lost vault]

ah yes. ||scaling||

[rocky helm]

bloodstone??

[ivory elbow]

We can see it's seeded man

[fringe nebula]

bloodstone

[cloud sinew]

😭

[lost vault]

makes perfect sense

[still pike]

And ante 9 black stake sent plant at my face

[fringe nebula]

time to do unseeded gold stake win

[safe moat]

@misty tartan

[olive stirrup]

Sad Joker, reverses all +mult effects when a pair is played

[cloud sinew]

and it's on a 10 of spades erratic seed

[fringe nebula]

LOL

[cloud sinew]

i didnt even need to check to know, i just recognise it atp

[ivory elbow]

Lmfaoooo

[olive stirrup]

Lol

[fringe nebula]

yeah no wonder why

[lost vault]

sorry..... seeded dont count croski

[still pike]

I got 5 mill on a 230k blind

[ivory elbow]

Jesus getting absolutely crushed here icl

[shell dagger]

he’s just very lucky and pulled that seed naturally with a natural red background

[olive stirrup]

Thats normal

[lost vault]

phhh

[shell dagger]

i mean, he walked on water after all

[vernal breach]

(Manifesting mime and blueprint)

[lost vault]

right

my bad for doubting you jesus 🙏

[still pike]

Win? (Also take a guess what score ima get on this blind)

[ivory elbow]

5

[olive stirrup]

E12

[plain briar]

any point of invis?

[shell dagger]

11 mil?

[past ocean]

Balatrodle in 5, this is insane

[still pike]

11 mill

[vernal breach]

Take it at worst youll get your chad back

[olive stirrup]

Why spoil it

[shell dagger]

damn ez gg

[past ocean]

I didn't though

There's a spoiler tag

[rocky helm]

some guy already spoiled it lol

[plain briar]

ight

[still pike]

Fuck (what do I play to keep going? Or am I cooked?)

[leaden dragon]

getting extremely humbled in pvp rn

[cloud sinew]

its over

[shell dagger]

Cooked

[ivory elbow]

New skip tag confirmed, spoiler tag, next shop has the joker that is today's balatrodle

[slow iris]

glass joker is fun (sometimes)

[leaden dragon]

WHAT THE FUCK

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon did u get the blueprint?

[leaden dragon]

no

[rocky helm]

bro

i mean brainstorm

[olive stirrup]

The scaling xmult space card how is called

?

[past ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/flightreacts-alextekah-roloroll-yasK38fdvOi6IR1gbn

[cloud sinew]

keep balatro multiplayer content in the BMP server or in #⚙・modding-general please

[still pike]

Oof (atleast I beat black stake)

[ivory elbow]

Constellation?

[slow iris]

i sold trib for glass joker

[olive stirrup]

Thx

[still pike]

Time for blue stake

[vernal breach]

Classic

[cloud sinew]

i love how small (file size) and easy to run balatro is

[past ocean]

What are the hardest Gold Stake decks in your opinion?

[ivory elbow]

Black

[cloud sinew]

black deck, plasma deck, nebula deck

<@&1133519078540185692>

[leaden dragon]

black is hard on anything tbh

[past ocean]

Oh mods

[still pike]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[leaden dragon]

oh <@&1133519078540185692>

[vernal breach]

Go shit your pants

[craggy hearth]

Pmo

[olive stirrup]

In 7 the balatrodle

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to ping multiple times unless its not been checked in like a minute or something

once is enough

[olive stirrup]

I didnt know how to play

[steep sphinx]

one more and we have a two pair

[cloud sinew]

@mod...

hello lawyer

[smoky merlin]

hi

[vernal breach]

Im keeping gold stake black deck for last. Im like over half decks gold stake finished.

[cloud sinew]

easiest 5 are blue, yellow, abandoned, zodiac and checkered

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon did u find the yorick

[past ocean]

I've done Ghost and decided I'd stop there

[leaden dragon]

also nope

[ivory elbow]

Checkered is js such a good deck

[rocky helm]

bro

there is a yorick, you're cooked

@leaden dragon do u want to play cryptid mp

[vernal breach]

I got so satisfying oops6s and bloodstone run on checkered

[rocky helm]

it's just "oops"

[heady narwhal]

black and plasma and green are pretty hard

[past ocean]

Tell me your favorite Joker and I'll see if you pass the vibe check

[leaden dragon]

son

[rocky helm]

wat

[leaden dragon]

sure :)

[heady narwhal]

erratic and nebula are hard to sit through

[rocky helm]

alr

[vernal breach]

Lucky cat

[past ocean]

Pass

[leaden dragon]

hold on

downloading rn

[ivory elbow]

Swashswashswashbucklerswash

[rocky helm]

grimbo

[past ocean]

Slight pass

[last path]

let's go gambling ahh run. guess which joker was my first

because that joker in itself would be a gamble when taken first

[rocky helm]

oops

actually no eternal family

[fringe nebula]

taking eternal family at ante 1 is bold

very bold

[halcyon juniper]

misprint for maximum gambling

[leaden dragon]

alr

[past ocean]

Absolute pass

[leaden dragon]

i'm down @rocky helm

[rocky helm]

ko

hold up let me fix it

[hidden lance]

ohhh the balatrodle pissed me off today

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon hold on my thing keeps crashing

[rancid crown]

Got 4 holograms, literally a free win

[leaden dragon]

is there even a way to play cryptid on multiplayer tbh

[rocky helm]

wait how is that possible

[rocky helm]

yes

[hidden lance]

invis

[rancid crown]

Invisible jokers, literally got 3 back to back after popping on the holo

[leaden dragon]

how

[rancid crown]

I sold every joker except holo before selling the invis

and got invis jokers by pure luck

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon just launch up multipolayer and cryptid,, EXQXC

[still pike]

Uhm

[lime remnant]

very fun if successful

[ivory elbow]

I literally only starred playing blalateo for cryptid

And my friend told me I need to 100%the game to unlock mods

And I discovered only like 3 days ago that u don't have to actually do that

But I'm still never playing modded until c++

[leaden dragon]

do i just choose standard and it will already have cryptid @rocky helm ??

[rancid crown]

good luck 🫡

[rocky helm]

i made a lobby @leaden dragon

just join EXQXC

[leaden dragon]

alr

[rocky helm]

did u do madness

[ivory elbow]

Ty

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon did u turn on madness!!

[leaden dragon]

yes

[rocky helm]

ok god

lets go

[still pike]

I cant get the ankh off my screen on this run and to do so I have time end run

And I dont wana

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon

[leaden dragon]

WHAT THE FUCK

[rocky helm]

i won

gg @leaden dragon

[leaden dragon]

gg

[rocky helm]

wait...

does it say i won for youi

[leaden dragon]

yeah

[rocky helm]

OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT ^MULT

[nova leaf]

I'm assuming getting better at Balatro is basically just transitioning from perma restarting until you get whacky runs with a pretty evident route to victory (like this one) to being able to spam pairs as consistently as one possibly can

[night turret]

Copy hologram? Or keep copying bus?

[rancid crown]

how much is holo at?

[cloud sinew]

depends what holo is at, what bus is at, and what your base mult is

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[rancid crown]

bloodstone hate 💔

[cloud sinew]

bloodstone hate my beloved

[serene forge]

deserved hate

[rancid crown]

bloodstone is goated 💔

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon only e41? i, on the other hand, have e5,389

[fringe nebula]

i feel like keeping $20 for hermit value is necessary on green deck
i'm quite unfamiliar with it so idk

[serene forge]

maybe

[rancid crown]

Nah but fr i think bloodstone is overhated a bit, like it aint good but its not that terrible

[cloud sinew]

bloodstone is pretty bad

[rancid crown]

It has potential to be good

[serene forge]

bloodstone is not hated enough

[rocky helm]

@leaden dragon i accidentally sold primus, you win this tim

[serene forge]

that's not good

[leaden dragon]

kay

[serene forge]

that's literally a meme template

potential man

[rocky helm]

again?

[cloud sinew]

so does everything

I put Bloodstone in C tier the last time I made a tierlist for a8 gold stake, I think I disagree and would put it in D tier now

[last path]

took this run to ante 12 big blind. because i invis'd an oops instead of card sharp. then showman'd a chad in endless. so the pivot to glass was inevitable despite risky. how much gambling could you want. i.e. how much glass do i get forced to break

[cloud sinew]

also I would move fib down and move yorick up

[rancid crown]

Ive never found bloodstone to be as bad as yall are saying it is but maybe ive just been lucky idk

[serene forge]

i still dont understand how people keep putting invis jonkler so high

[serene forge]

the fact that you need to be lucky is bad

it's unnecessary inconsistency in a game that demands consistency

[minor portal]

Hit the Road in B tier, tier list is acceptable.

[rancid crown]

Can you not understand what im saying? Im literally just saying that my experience with bloodstone doesnt seem to be as bad as everyone elses, stop hating so much 😭

[night turret]

So we got holo at 2x, and ride the bus is around 18 I think?

[cloud sinew]

whats your base mult

[delicate tide]

I disagree with sm damn that’s crazy

[cloud sinew]

if your base mult is 18 or less, copy bus.
if higher, copy holo

[leaden dragon]

hear me out on my mod name

project s.u.s (super unbalanced shit)

[night turret]

What’s base mult

For the hand I’m playing or the jokers

[cloud sinew]

the hand youre playing

[thorny axle]

Double rare shop

[night turret]

16

[cloud sinew]

then copying bus is better

[olive stirrup]

Campfire s+ is wild

[thorny axle]

the nefarious riffraff

[cloud sinew]

i still agree with that placement

[thorny axle]

evil and imtimidating cartomancer

[rancid crown]

campfire is goated, especially on gold stake

[night turret]

Thanks

[versed sable]

I would think banner would be a little higher, and flowerpot same tier as baron?
Otherwise yeah i can't really argue tbh

[thorny axle]

astromoner of DOOM

yeah a lot of stuff enable scampfire

[cloud sinew]

banner is +60 that scales down, it's not great.
also flower pot and baron are both incredibly specific and incredibly inconsistent

[hasty harness]

if you have the econ campfire is a free win

[thorny axle]

baron CANNOT be this ass

[cloud sinew]

baron is one of the worst jokers for ante 8 gold stake

[shell dagger]

Do you still put fib at S

[thorny axle]

its not goated but surely its not below the tribe

[cloud sinew]

no. i'd move it down to A

[versed sable]

Baron and flowerpot both suck for gold stake but i assumed they were about the same spot overall, idk lol

[cloud sinew]

it absolutely is below Tribe

[shell dagger]

last time we convinced zoahl to move it down

is that how u spell it

[olive stirrup]

Out of context is INSANE

[cloud sinew]

no it isnt

youre just porn rotted

[hasty harness]

chicot should be higher

imo

[thorny axle]

why is baron so ass

i thought it was just fine

not amazing but there's worse out there

[hasty harness]

baron is trash on gs because its too slow

[shell dagger]

countered by multiple bosses, relies on kings being drawn, not useful unless you have base mult

[cloud sinew]

it's inconsistent, one rank specific, dies to multiple boss blinds almost unconditionally, and it relies on base mult

[shell dagger]

which means the required setup is quite high

[leaden dragon]

why can't i change the number

[cloud sinew]

there arent many

showman, idol, splash maybe

[leaden dragon]

oh shit i forgot #⚙・modding-support

[shell dagger]

i don’t know scratch sorry

[hasty harness]

splash is actually good in a lot of niche situations

[serene forge]

anecdotal fallacy

[hasty harness]

splashing in gold seals etc

[cloud sinew]

"a lot of", and "niche situations" is a bit of an oxymoron

[hasty harness]

its more then you would think tbf tho

[devout heron]

guys help

[shell dagger]

it’s usually pretty low impact but it’s only $3

[untold onyx]

That negative obelisk was calling to me like the mask was calling Jim Carrey

[devout heron]

idk what to do

[thorny axle]

campfire fuel

[shell dagger]

peam

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[thorny axle]

sell everything and go all in on the standard pack

[leaden dragon]

hey uh

modders

[cloud sinew]

opportunity cost of a joker slot

[shell dagger]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

NOT HERE TWIN

[leaden dragon]

can y'all help me?

[cloud sinew]

GO TO THE MODDING CHANNELS

[leaden dragon]

i went tho

[cloud sinew]

okay so wait

[hasty harness]

yeah of course but i mean like you can pick it up if you have nothing else and its not horrible

[thorny axle]

are tiers ordered?

[cloud sinew]

not ordered within tiers necessarily, no.

some are, most arent.

[rancid crown]

again, i wasnt dissagreeing with you on the bloodstone bad situiation, i was only saying that I PERSONALLY havent found it as bad as you are making it out to be, i did not say anything else, nor did i say that you are wrong

[unborn cliff]

nerd words

[shell dagger]

what tier would everyone put bloodstone on a checkered deck tierlist

[thorny axle]

cuz i will say showman is the worst joker in the game

[cloud sinew]

i agree

[thorny axle]

think of it this way
most jokers
worst case scenario they do nothing

[unborn cliff]

C - D for checkered specifically

every other deck probably an F

[cloud sinew]

C+

[shell dagger]

i haven’t played enough checkered deck for a good input but maybe B or C

[versed sable]

outside of endless, maybe

[cloud sinew]

Ive played checkered quite a lot

[cloud sinew]

Outside of endless, definitely

[worthy tinsel]

will betray you when you need it the most soon dw

[shell dagger]

im working on the checkered streak (slowly)

at 3 rn 🔥

[cloud sinew]

My best is 13

[thorny axle]

splash gives like +5 chips
bootstraps requires you to sit on money
Throwback is 1.5x

[cloud sinew]

and it was because i wanted to beat vayn

[thorny axle]

but you'd rather have them than not

[vocal rose]

sigh

[rancid crown]

I rarely use bloodstone on anything other than white stake plasma anyways

[cloud sinew]

Not really

[worthy tinsel]

C-D

[shell dagger]

D feels a bit low

[vocal rose]

F tier

[shell dagger]

but idk

[cloud sinew]

Splash can be ,and often is, detrimental

[thorny axle]

how

[shell dagger]

bus

[thorny axle]

sell button:

[cloud sinew]

Bus, glass when you need it for security scoring

[shell dagger]

pillar (niche)

[cloud sinew]

Then your argument doesnt apply

you said youd rather have it than not

[thorny axle]

okay fair

the point is in most scenarios most jokers will do at least nothing

[cloud sinew]

and?

[thorny axle]

showman has the downside of not letting you consumable block
and for what?
another hanging chad?