🕹・game-discussion

[mighty orbit]

I play vampire survivors

[fickle mesa]

okay u might wanna get that checked out but i wouldnt be too worried

unless the pain gets worse

[opal delta]

i might have to talk to my doctor about this

[woven spire]

yes

man #🃏・off-topic is the most random shit

[white zodiac]

Attention: If you or a loved one has been diagnosed with Mesothelioma, you may be entitled to financial compensation.

[woven spire]

like wtf

[mighty orbit]

Free sheet metal to weld with

[white zodiac]

how did that get out of my house

[woven spire]

why would you even want that.

[silent oxide]

No fucking way i beat blue stake with this shit

[mighty orbit]

What music u guys listen to while playing balatro

[silent oxide]

Filth by swans rn

[white zodiac]

but it's a v12

[silent oxide]

Power for power specifically

[pale wolf]

let that sink in

[opal delta]

uhh why did you ask about estrogen anyway

[mighty orbit]

I listen to heavy metal while playing balatro

[silent oxide]

They need a dealer

[mighty orbit]

Goated strat

[pale wolf]

doesn't that hurt your ears

[silent oxide]

You should defo try power for power then it's like

Really heavy rock

[woven spire]

i HATE that image

[mighty orbit]

Is it like sabaton

[white zodiac]

60 minute sorting algorithms

[woven spire]

balala theme better

[vale jetty]

This is just beautiful

[mighty orbit]

I weld bro my ears are the least of my concern

[woven spire]

balatro.

[silent oxide]

It is not like 27/92 polyrhythyms if it's one of those kind of bands

[pale wolf]

VWWWWWWWOOOOOoooooooooooppppp
VWIP vwip VWIP vwip VWIP vwip

[silent oxide]

I haven't heard sabaton but it's prolly close enough

[pale wolf]

that sorta thing

[vale jetty]

When I first starting smoking I would watch these for hours

[fading cobalt]

gets showman
Gets two invisibles
Invis copies invis
Repeat previous step

[mighty orbit]

I also listen to soad and linkin park

[fickle mesa]

mostly as a joke. estrogen causes chest pain but mostly in a soreness way distinct from other forms of chest pain because boobs

[woven spire]

what even is that

brb

[silent oxide]

Golden experience requiem

[pale wolf]

people assign different notes to an ordered list, randomize the list, and then use different sorting algorithms

[fickle mesa]

this used to work

[mighty orbit]

The lion uses splash

[woven spire]

wtf did i just hear

[mighty orbit]

The lion doesnt concern himself with the 0x

[fickle mesa]

splash is okay

[white zodiac]

sometimes 765 Hz Sine Tone Amplitude 1

[pale wolf]

i was accurate

[fickle mesa]

early game chips and then later is nice for like

kitty and stuff

[woven spire]

in what

[white zodiac]

yeah

[mighty orbit]

Is 1.1 atleast coming early 2026 or will it be another gd 2.2

[fickle mesa]

its sort of pareidolia in that sense

[opal delta]

I guess this implies youre trans…

[serene forge]

should i pivot?????????

[white zodiac]

when it's done

[lone pulsar]

is there a cult for/of jimbo?

asking for a friend

[mighty orbit]

Blue stake black deck

[fickle mesa]

yh

[opal delta]

wow so cool

[opal delta]

yeah you definitely should

[silent oxide]

No it's bait

[silent oxide]

You're already here bro fym

[woven spire]

pareidolia is the worst, always comes in the worst times, and when you need it, maybe because you have midas or canio it WONT show up

i hate it.

[fading cobalt]

Bros build:

[fickle mesa]

multiple economic synergies with little of its own solo applications, theoretical scoring applications that dont really work out and usually not staying around for long due to being the weakest link because of its dependence

[fickle mesa]

i wouldnt say the worst

[mighty orbit]

Goated strat

[fickle mesa]

a lot of econ jokers care abt face cards

sock and buskin business card parking

[woven spire]

i didn’t mean the worst, yk

[fickle mesa]

altho midas mask is prob the most powerful one

[fading cobalt]

"its eggbuckler I swear!"

Looks inside
Photochad

[mighty orbit]

Oops all is rarely useful

[fading cobalt]

The disrespect to oops is insane

[fickle mesa]

canio on paper but realistically u have enough face cards

[mighty orbit]

Canio rework when

[woven spire]

anything at all
Looks inside
photochad

[fickle mesa]

it doesnt need one

[fading cobalt]

Never

[fickle mesa]

its a great xmult scaler which is what i want from a legendary

[fading cobalt]

breathing
Looks inside
Photochad

[dreamy creek]

-> looks inside balatro chat

-> photochad

[fickle mesa]

oops is kind of a pareidolia

[fading cobalt]

Type of shit that will happen if wheel of fortune procs

[woven spire]

pregnant woman
looks inside
photochad

[fickle mesa]

i also agree with you even when its useful its not always really doing much

[white zodiac]

both econ enablers

in a way

[fading cobalt]

How in the hell does oops correlate to pareidolia

[dreamy creek]

“oops, you used all your luck today“

[fervent wolf]

Nat negative cola lol

[fickle mesa]

see above when i discussed how splash is pareidolia

[white zodiac]

indirect econ enabler

[woven spire]

does oops affect wheel?

[fervent wolf]

Yes

[fading cobalt]

I guess so

[dreamy creek]

0/4 x2 is still 0/4

[mighty orbit]

Black deck MUST be good right? ANOTHER joker slot!

[dreamy creek]

wheel will never hit

[woven spire]

fair.

[vale jetty]

Is dna worth it?

[mighty orbit]

Checkered deck main

[dreamy creek]

hell yeah

[fervent wolf]

Had wheel hit on all but 1 run today lol

[dreamy creek]

blue seals go hard

[woven spire]

ye

[dreamy creek]

impossible!

he must have altered the game files

[mighty orbit]

Checkered deck the best

[fickle mesa]

is it actually worth it here

[fervent wolf]

I played like 20 runs today

[fading cobalt]

For me it was the opposite, you stole my luck you sick son of a bitch

[dreamy creek]

bro used all his luck for the next 20 days

[fickle mesa]

like ur deck is small and u have 5 hands 3 discards

[vale jetty]

I can consistently hit 3 blue seals already and I only want to get to ante 8

[fickle mesa]

i think u can dig through the whole thing

[mighty orbit]

Who uses stunt man

[fading cobalt]

Bro STOLE all my luck for the next 20 days

[fading cobalt]

@mighty orbit

[dreamy creek]

[woven spire]

plasma deck users

[fickle mesa]

anyone who is good

[white zodiac]

preferably id find some xmult first but for smiley sure ig

[mighty orbit]

Ngl stuntman has aura though

[woven spire]

stuntman in plasma deck goes brrrr

[vale jetty]

That’s what I’ve been trying to find no luck tho

[dreamy creek]

stuntman just looks sick like that

[fickle mesa]

its not even plasma deck

[mighty orbit]

So for plasma u stack chips instead of mult?

[fickle mesa]

its good on every deck

[vale jetty]

If I go glass it’s worth it

[fading cobalt]

Yes

[woven spire]

kinda

[dreamy creek]

no

[fading cobalt]

The fuck you mean no

[fickle mesa]

you wanna do one or the other

[woven spire]

lol

[fading cobalt]

?!

[fickle mesa]

which usually means chips because mult is significantly harder to stack

[mighty orbit]

Balatro should collab with otxo

[dreamy creek]

plasma score is calcualted by [(chips+mult)/2]^2 so you should pitch into mult OR chips

just not both

[fading cobalt]

Just say you wanna prioritise chips jesus

[white zodiac]

only took 3 minutes for you to break character

[fickle mesa]

well its nuanced

[dreamy creek]

as a professional hater, I chose peace

[fickle mesa]

there r def mult plasma runs

[woven spire]

there’s no joker that multiplies chips tho

[fickle mesa]

it wouldnt be correct for me to say only chips

[mighty orbit]

What is abandoned deck good for

[fickle mesa]

chips dont rly need multiplying

[white zodiac]

oh boy here we go

[dreamy creek]

fun fact: you need around 6x more chip/mult to make plasma worth it

[woven spire]

triboulet

[fading cobalt]

Those runs would heavily rely on xmult, bootstraps or any high xmult builder

[fickle mesa]

theyre already so high compared to mult

[mighty orbit]

Yea he is one in 5 chance to get

[dreamy creek]

trib x abandoned x paredolia

goated synergy

trust

[fickle mesa]

trib lowk not bad on abandoned

[mighty orbit]

Average black deck run

[woven spire]

how.

[fickle mesa]

ur decks already small right

[woven spire]

ye

[dreamy creek]

just get ante 1 riff raff

fr fr

[fervent wolf]

Feed it to me for free 20 mult

[fickle mesa]

so when u do start making face cards ur never gonna struggle getting them

[fading cobalt]

Just change dick for deck

[dreamy creek]

[white zodiac]

im gonna pretend I didn't see this

[mighty orbit]

How it feels moving my cards in position to use death

[woven spire]

ceremonial dagger feels like a toddler that you have to take care of, i won’t stop saying it

[fading cobalt]

Ew AI

[fickle mesa]

ive beaten abandoned w trib before

[woven spire]

also wtf am i looking at

[fickle mesa]

u need tarot gen but u sorta need that for trib to begin with

[fervent wolf]

Idk abt yall but I love just replaying some of the challenges like fragile, 15 minute city, and 5 card draw

[woven spire]

Why is it on -827

[fading cobalt]

Yo your dawg is pretty cool ngl

[fervent wolf]

Wow

[dreamy creek]

calibration error

[dreamy creek]

bet thanks

[fervent wolf]

So mean to me :(

[woven spire]

cloverpit:

[fervent wolf]

Hope this never happens, Thunk made it so it can't

Thankfully

[dreamy creek]

we need real money gambling in balatro to make it 19+

[fading cobalt]

No dice? We're dying in ante 6

[silent oxide]

Why are you playing the 10 first

[fickle mesa]

dagger is rly good

[silent oxide]

Dude

[fickle mesa]

i had 2 dagger runs back to back today

[silent oxide]

We're dying in ante 4

[fickle mesa]

both were very strong

[fervent wolf]

THANK you

[mighty orbit]

So what cant happen

[fickle mesa]

although

[fading cobalt]

Not copying jimbo? Dying in ante 0

[woven spire]

thunk made it so clear that balatro won’t be a gambling game

[fickle mesa]

they were polychrome

not negative

[dreamy creek]

real

[fervent wolf]

I'm still all the Dagger types trust

[dreamy creek]

dagger fans after picking up liquidation (+1 mult per round now)

[fickle mesa]

apologies mx dagger

[fading cobalt]

-1 you mean?

[fickle mesa]

not with egg

[fervent wolf]

Or gift card

[fickle mesa]

or if ur done growing it

[dreamy creek]

oh yeah it looses mult every round now

you right

but like egg

[woven spire]

i feel like you love the omelette challenge

[dreamy creek]

the best way to get the biggest dagger is actually with gift cards

not with eggs

[fickle mesa]

both work

[dreamy creek]

but like

[cloud sinew]

stumbled upon it

[woven spire]

yeah

[dreamy creek]

the biggest dagger

[fickle mesa]

the biggest dagger uses both right

wait no

[dreamy creek]

the biggest dagger starts with gift cards

[fickle mesa]

just gift

[dreamy creek]

and then gets like 1-2 eggs at the end

[woven spire]

the biggest dagger uses legendary jokers

Chicot.

[mighty orbit]

Uncs how was the early days of balatro like before it got popular

[dreamy creek]

chicot's best use is dagger

+20 mult

[woven spire]

lol

[fickle mesa]

my ex played balatro before it got super big

[dreamy creek]

fr?

[fickle mesa]

i dont remember much abt it unfortunately

[silent oxide]

Don't even joke lad.

[tame cobalt]

Chicot's alright

[white zodiac]

is there like a sorting algorithm that plays any fnaf audio files

[cloud sinew]

that's trib

[mighty orbit]

Flowerpot sucks donkey balls

[dreamy creek]

bro got immedietlly summoned after hearing that 💀

[woven spire]

lmao

[serene forge]

pfp checks out

[cloud sinew]

REAL

[tame cobalt]

Like idk it's comparable to luchador or mr bones

But you can't lose it early

[woven spire]

most situational joker

[silent oxide]

Yeah and you know what luchador is?

[fickle mesa]

flowerpot is niche as hell

[silent oxide]

A really fucking good joker

[tame cobalt]

Yes

[mighty orbit]

Add a slot machine joker

[tame cobalt]

I don't get the chicot hate

[white zodiac]

chicot has some competition now that luchador tech has been discovered

[silent oxide]

Make chicot have infinite sell value since he's just infininte lucha

[woven spire]

Just play cloverpit

[silent oxide]

Luchador tech?

[tame cobalt]

If i get chicot it means I don't have to worry about blinds that could counter my build

[fickle mesa]

luchador is solid chic is just better luchador

oh unless u wanna use glitches

[ocean yoke]

Ok what

[fickle mesa]

in which case

[mighty orbit]

Will there be more tarot cards added or since he made one for all of them there wont be new one

[fickle mesa]

i actually dont fully get the luchador glitch

[serene forge]

face card brainlets hate anything that doesn't help number go up

[silent oxide]

How much base mult you got there chum

[ocean yoke]

😳

[serene forge]

they will then subsequently complain about the plant every time they lose a run

[ocean yoke]

Not much

[silent oxide]

I pray you make it past ante 4 and get a good run

[tame cobalt]

It's like the best counter to a bunch of their boss blinds too 😔

[silent oxide]

I've had a few today

[dreamy creek]

ahh matchup

[ocean yoke]

Yea I hope I don't fumble

[silent oxide]

These two were botu good

[dreamy creek]

chicot does luchadoors job way better

[hybrid tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297195743676727339/1428421812152176710/YouCut_20251015_222600850.mp4?ex=69175afa&is=6916097a&hm=28ca2c964b80656dc1334e90c229761c0d843f04d6f4a8f4e54d91752350ee39&

[ocean yoke]

Got some steels though

[fickle mesa]

many ways to beat the plant but chic is in fact one of them

oh yk something cool i just realized wrt dagger food

[white zodiac]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[ocean yoke]

any benefit to me getting apps all 6s in this run

[fickle mesa]

chic is better than luchador because you can use it and THEN feed it to the dagger

[ocean yoke]

M

[woven spire]

talking abt chicot here’s the #1 chicot hater

[balmy ridge]

i cant sleep

back to balatro!!!!

[hybrid tendon]

lmao

[mighty orbit]

Whats the wr balatro ante 8 speedrun

[serene forge]

I love Chicklets

[balmy ridge]

no i'm the #1 chicot hater

[dreamy creek]

I'm the # √(-1) hater

[woven spire]

i bet roffle hates him more

[hybrid tendon]

chicot is nice

was my first legendary

[dreamy creek]

ch*cot

[balmy ridge]

you're right

[woven spire]

my first legendary was canio

[balmy ridge]

we should sensor chicot

sensor?

censor?

[nova mantle]

GREEN DECK GOLD STAKED!!!! AND CANIO GOLD STICKER TOO WEEE

[dreamy creek]

sensor

[opal delta]

my first legendary has been perkeo for both my first and second file for some reason

[balmy ridge]

i was right the first time

[icy swift]

Same...

[balmy ridge]

cantio

[silent oxide]

Perkeo wants you twin

[dreamy creek]

cangoatio

[woven spire]

same to me but with canio lol

[mighty orbit]

Balatro is like the poker buckshot roulette

[atomic trout]

Noooo

[hybrid tendon]

chicot for both of mine lol

[balmy ridge]

perky yo

[dreamy creek]

buckshot roulete kills you, balatro just game overs you

[nova mantle]

honestly it wasnt as hard as people seemed to put it, i legit had fun in gold staking green

[balmy ridge]

you die in balatro you die in real life

[dreamy creek]

real

[woven spire]

jimbo laughs at you*

[mighty orbit]

You probably die if you cant pay the money you gambled away

[balmy ridge]

someone should do that

[dreamy creek]

life linked

you can do that yourself

but ill advised

[fickle mesa]

there may be a reason for this

[woven spire]

what is ur pfp?

[balmy ridge]

you're telling me to kill myself?

[fickle mesa]

it might be the chicot guy

[balmy ridge]

that isn't very nice.

[dreamy creek]

NO NO NO NO

[fickle mesa]

woah another shadow

[stark karma]

ankh here or just truck on?

[dreamy creek]

1k+ dms from mee6 when mee6 was still a good bot

[nova mantle]

only one deck stands between me and c+ now...

[mighty orbit]

Perkeo overrated

[balmy ridge]

your username is strange, please don't interact with me

[balmy ridge]

mmmnurp

[white zodiac]

from all the times you got banned

[balmy ridge]

perkeo is the goat

[woven spire]

wait isn’t mee6 a good boy anymore?

[stark karma]

meow?

[nova mantle]

and that is?...

[dreamy creek]

idk I'm not clinniclly online enough to know

[balmy ridge]

i'd take the blue seal i think

[fickle mesa]

the legendary jonker

[balmy ridge]

or familiar works

[woven spire]

you just said it wasn’t.

[nova mantle]

oh yeah, fair lol

[dreamy creek]

i forgor

dimentia

🧠

[woven spire]

dimentia

[balmy ridge]

dementia

[atomic trout]

Same boss...

[stark karma]

I have two

[nova mantle]

i also got a run with both yorick and canio in purple stake so, maybe a streak of luck?

[dreamy creek]

you wanna know who else has dientia?

[stark karma]

it's either ankh trib which I dont really need but its funny

[dreamy creek]

you wanna know who else has dienentitia?

[balmy ridge]

you can never have enough blue seals!!!!!!!!!!

[white zodiac]

what

[woven spire]

dentia?

[stark karma]

or keep vutting cards

[balmy ridge]

unles you have a mime

[nova mantle]

idk, hope i get the same luck on black deck

[balmy ridge]

which you don't

[nova mantle]

anyone got any tips to tackle it?

[stark karma]

I wont ankh I think

[balmy ridge]

like i said familiar is fine probably

just hope for not jacks

yeah definetely don't ankh

[nova mantle]

i feel it shouldnt be too hard but idk

[dreamy creek]

ankh for the funzies

[balmy ridge]

play good win fast

black is the best deck

[fickle mesa]

yeah dont try growing square vs ante 1 boss blind unless u know for certain you can or u have mult

[woven spire]

exactly the face i do when i get chicot

[dreamy creek]

ur anus is best paired with black deck

[white zodiac]

check if you get hit with one of the two cringe a1 boss blinds

[balmy ridge]

first boss blind just needs 2 5 card hands leaving 2 for squimbo scaling

[nova mantle]

the propaganda aint gonna get to me im sorry 💔

[woven spire]

and raised fist

[dreamy creek]

no un ironiclly uranus is a good option in black deck

[nova mantle]

hook and?

[dreamy creek]

balala university uses it

[fickle mesa]

were u not just telling me my username was strange and to not interact 😭

[white zodiac]

manacle

[balmy ridge]

i'm correcting you, not interacting with you

[nova mantle]

aight 🙏

[balmy ridge]

@nova mantle

[woven spire]

manacle is aight

in ante1

[balmy ridge]

just try fill joker slots early if possible

[white zodiac]

not on black deck gs

[balmy ridge]

and like.. think i guess

[dreamy creek]

the manacle haters after i duplicate chicot to give myself extra hand size

[balmy ridge]

black deck takes more brain power than most other decks methinkles

[nova mantle]

i can do that yeah

[white zodiac]

you need some form of support

[nova mantle]

sometimes...

[white zodiac]

like luchador 👅

[woven spire]

i wasn’t thinking abt black deck

[dreamy creek]

ante one luchadoor...

[balmy ridge]

or you could just get trib ante 1 then you don't have to think

[nova mantle]

plasma was the hardest one for me so i already kinda know what to expect

[balmy ridge]

:D

[woven spire]

basically serpent without chicot

[white zodiac]

the question was directed towards black deck gs

[balmy ridge]

plasma was the hardest????? have you ever played nebula??????

[white zodiac]

plasma is harder than that

[fickle mesa]

this is silly yes u are interacting w me and if u have no mult u value the money first and foremost and additionally u probably need ur hands to dig for the cards to make ur 5 card hands meaning u wanna throw away 5 at a time not 4

[dreamy creek]

have you tried shrimply having your chips: mult ratio being 5.81x more?

[woven spire]

didn’t see that

[silent oxide]

Have you even tried playing a stuntman

[mighty orbit]

Ghost deck top 3 decks

[balmy ridge]

i disagree

[silent oxide]

No comment

[balmy ridge]

it's generally easier to get chips than mult

[white zodiac]

my gs streaks agree

[balmy ridge]

literally all you need is like a somewhat decent amount of chips

on plasma stuntman and a few planets is enough to win

[dreamy creek]

violet vessel....

[white zodiac]

that's statistically incorrect

[nova mantle]

plasma's got the chips to mult pivot thingy so theres that, in black i can apply all the strategies that normal decks have so itll be less painful

[balmy ridge]

dr spectred said that on a video

xmult is

of course a multiplication so it's alot

[nova mantle]

brosky aint making it past ante 5 😭 💔

[balmy ridge]

but most xmults are rare

[white zodiac]

oh god here we go

[woven spire]

man i just hate bloodstone

fucking stupid joker

[dreamy creek]

nah

[balmy ridge]

chudstone

[dreamy creek]

consider yourself an op 😤

bloodstone my goat

[balmy ridge]

floodstone

[dreamy creek]

i love bloodstone

[thorny pewter]

Do i take dna?

[balmy ridge]

uhhh

dud stone

OOH

dudstone

[dreamy creek]

#1 bloodstone glazer

[nova mantle]

yeah FUCK NEBULA
nebula's an artifact of pure hatred it'll be always be worse than to play plasma for me 💔

[balmy ridge]

maybe not i think

nothing insanely good worth copying

[nova mantle]

plasma's harder tho

[woven spire]

i ALWAYS give it a chance, but that little son of a bitch ALWAYS ragebaits me

[opal delta]

uhhh no

[nova mantle]

nebula is js a more excruciating experience

[white zodiac]

way to contradict your stuntman argument

[balmy ridge]

idk i don't think i've ever lost gold stake on plasma

but i haven't played a whole lot of plasma so

[nova mantle]

ehh, id rather get rick

[dreamy creek]

a) get dice
b) use it as an ante 5-8 option when you need lots of x mult and can play multiple heart flushes
c) smeared jonkler

[white zodiac]

do a 10 gs win streak on it

[silent oxide]

Brosky

[balmy ridge]

10 gold stake wins consecutively is absurd for any deck to do, which you know

[woven spire]

Yeah i like it with oops but not alone

[balmy ridge]

but i can try

[thorny pewter]

Aight thanks

[silent oxide]

Yeah no balls

Do it

[white zodiac]

Brooke did 10 consecutive wins on black deck gs

[dreamy creek]

DNA is the best joker in the game, you're literally made of DNA

[nova mantle]

chicot believer be giving advice straight outta hell 😭 im crine bruh

[white zodiac]

I did 15 rotating and a bunch individually it can't be that bad right

[heady narwhal]

chat should i pivot here?

[dreamy creek]

THE PIVOT' THE PIVOT IS REAL

[white zodiac]

is this a litmus test

[woven spire]

what is pivot?

[balmy ridge]

@white zodiac ill give it a shot when im finished eating my cereal

[nova mantle]

wheres deck

[balmy ridge]

(its 3:43am)

[tame cobalt]

Never back down never pivot

[white zodiac]

ight

dude

[nova mantle]

suddenly changing the strategy in the middle of a run

[tame cobalt]

Only cowards pivot

[heady narwhal]

lotta seals

[dreamy creek]

when you rotate your body while having one foot on the floor not move

[fickle mesa]

is there a reason to

you seem pretty set rn i cant lie

[heady narwhal]

well my 3oak is level 2 already

[white zodiac]

what's with ppl just staying up at 3am don't you have like work or school or something

[woven spire]

ohhh

[fickle mesa]

its not catching up w pair

[nova mantle]

timezones

its 9:30 for me rn

[balmy ridge]

i have college mondays through thursday, then i have a half day on sunday

[dreamy creek]

but like still, even at 3 am in a different time zone

[white zodiac]

ppl staying up at 3 am isn't a time zone thing

[balmy ridge]

but i'm an insomniac so i usually go to college on no sleep anyway

#thug

[white zodiac]

oh mbn

[nova mantle]

oh i thought you meant at this specific time sorry 💔

[fickle mesa]

i love 3osk but u have so many pair levels already

4oak is closer but still i cant imagine ur at a lack of scoring atm

or will be at any moment soon

[viral totem]

Ok guys, I hear about how high card is the best bet.

Does this apply to green stake or am I on my own here lol

[nova mantle]

id guess you could go for it with your kings and 3's

[balmy ridge]

who told you to play high card lol

[fickle mesa]

pairs are significantly more powerful than hc

this applies on most decks

[tranquil cargo]

if it works on higher stakes, it works on lower stakes (except eternal-dependent strategies below black stake)

[fickle mesa]

and all stakes

[viral totem]

I know right lmao

[opal delta]

cryptid is obsessed with jolly jokers for some reason

[fickle mesa]

high card is powerful though

[white zodiac]

it's ehh

[fickle mesa]

its good w like square joker

i mean id rather do pairs w square

[white zodiac]

scaling is absolute piss but you'll get to use it with whatever chips ig

[fickle mesa]

but you can like hold more gold cards and blue seals

[white zodiac]

it's like in the middle of the road

[viral totem]

I see a lot in the community that high card builds go crazy or whatever in the early blinds.

[heady narwhal]

by the way i did not take the trio here

[white zodiac]

good boy

[fickle mesa]

not early on no

[heady narwhal]

it's the opposite of that

they go crazy in the antes after you've already won

[viral totem]

Yeah I thought so but idk why people say it

[nova mantle]

its very easy to ignore high cards when pairs just offer double the scaling tbh

[fickle mesa]

unless u have lots of chips and mult already but even if u have like michel and blue or whatever you're still better off playing a flush until u level stuff up

[fickle mesa]

1.5x the scaling

but yes your point stands

[viral totem]

Like maybe people are like "durrr lol low stakes so easy bro you need single whatever bro so easy bro haha"

[nova mantle]

unless im running something like card sharp and i already had many hc levels

[white zodiac]

@pale wolf https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLph0YrNsLw9WIXrd52c0xBn5OmyngUNCV&si=HglSKht2SvXPsKrJ

[fickle mesa]

oh low stakes or low antes

low stakes are easily won by pairs

and high stakes are also won by pairs

[balmy ridge]

@white zodiac free

[fickle mesa]

all stakes are won by pairs

[white zodiac]

ok

[viral totem]

I'm on magic deck green stake right now

[silent oxide]

All stakes are won exclusively by playing flush fives

[fickle mesa]

this is a very good pair setup

[viral totem]

Magic deck is one of 3 decks I still need to pass with green deck

[fickle mesa]

an early mercury gives u access to enough levels to enable it immediately

[balmy ridge]

oh

[viral totem]

Ah

[balmy ridge]

i'll just hold r this is too free it doesnt count

[fickle mesa]

plus early crystal ball means blue seals are more powerful

[viral totem]

I bought this the first round and lost 😭😭😭

[fickle mesa]

dont take r1 blueprint brainstorms

theyre often sorta winmores - insanely busted but you dont need them

sometimes i just intentionally ignore them and my winrate doesnt really shift that much

[white zodiac]

you should play it out

[white zodiac]

I do this for the epic profile screenshot

[balmy ridge]

its too late

runner on plasma + brainstorm it was a win

didnt find any gold stickers i didnt already have either

[white zodiac]

that's not how the game works

[balmy ridge]

like i said i didnt count it anyway

[opal delta]

theres a really awesome bundle on humble bundle right now in my opinion

its labeled as indie fears

[fickle mesa]

i wish i could share screenshots

[viral totem]

I'm screwed, but UGH. THROWBACK is my favorite Joker

[dire sapphire]

throw it back

[balmy ridge]

le skull emoji

[fickle mesa]

unfort my pc is in the gutter atm so all i have is my steam deck

which can do screenshots but like i havent bothered learning how

[opal delta]

screwed on ante 1??

youll be fine

[viral totem]

Nah but like, I'm totally gonna screw up ante 1 lmao

[dire sapphire]

my favorite joker is supernova

[viral totem]

Or not

[dire sapphire]

that feeling when flush

[fickle mesa]

my fav joker is uhh

idk

i have a soft spot for non common scaling jokers besides constellation though

[opal delta]

as you can probably tell from my name my favorite joker is currently hallucination

[balmy ridge]

constellation is uncommon

[dire sapphire]

they just dont like it

[viral totem]

Sooo I went for flush

[dire sapphire]

it scales too easily

[balmy ridge]

blud is a toilet

[fickle mesa]

yes

that is what i said

[dire sapphire]

imo constellation should be 0.05x or 0.075x per planet

[balmy ridge]

toilet blud those who knows 💀

[fickle mesa]

no its plenty balanced

fwiw i like it

[white zodiac]

that sounds awful

[viral totem]

I'm literally a toilet

[balmy ridge]

cons is fine the way it is i tihnk

[opal delta]

balatro update: youre in hell now

[fickle mesa]

its just less interesting to me than like

the less powerful ones

[opal delta]

humanity is dead
blood is fuel
hell is full

[viral totem]

Constellation has saved my stupid ass a few times

[fickle mesa]

the only one thats as good as const is hologram

[dire sapphire]

update to really mess with y'all:
mime now has a 1 in 2 chance to trigger

[balmy ridge]

what

is that realk

[dire sapphire]

i fuckin hope not

[kindred valley]

Purposefully starving my yorick since ante 6 because I don't like him

[dire sapphire]

[white zodiac]

rebate is prob the only very strong joker that is in need of a mandatory nerf

[balmy ridge]

then why would you say that

you're a liar and a scumbag

[fickle mesa]

but hologram u engage w the mechanics a lot more imo

[cloud sinew]

funny

[dire sapphire]

it would be funny if it did happen

[viral totem]

Lmao I made it to ante 2

[opal delta]

theres a mod called nopelatro that makes every joker have a 1/2 chance to trigger and makes oa6 a legendary joker

[kindred valley]

Constellation op

[fickle mesa]

its much more interesting being forced to like add a polychrome stone card or whatever to ur deck when u normally wouldnt

well not forced

[dire sapphire]

that sounds fucked up

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[fickle mesa]

but highly highly highly encouraged to

[balmy ridge]

i hope that whatever they do with blue stake makes it more plausible to not play pairs

[viral totem]

OKFG CREATE RAND9M JOKER AND ITS HANGING CHAD

[kindred valley]

Chad:

[fickle mesa]

chad doesnt need a nerf imo

[white zodiac]

that's prob less on blue stake and more on new boss blinds

[fickle mesa]

no matter what mr spectre says

[viral totem]

Should I use my fool on judgement or nah

[balmy ridge]

probably not

[fickle mesa]

its powerful yeah but its sort of like a good pareidolia

[white zodiac]

versatile ≠ fundamentally overtuned

[kindred valley]

Chad should probably be like how it is in multiplayer tbh

[balmy ridge]

did they

[viral totem]

Hmmmmm'st

[balmy ridge]

ban the pregnant man emoji

🫃

o i just cant react with it

[cloud sinew]

chad is generally the best retrigger

[white zodiac]

that kinda ruins the joker reference

[fickle mesa]

re my pareidolia as a genre explanation from earlier

[kindred valley]

I like the way doc puts it

With chad you only need one interesting card to profit infinitely

[white zodiac]

yeah

[vale jetty]

Guys I need help with math, it’s easy but I’m so tired I don’t wanna do it lmao

[kindred valley]

Dusk should be common and chad should be uncommon imo

[fickle mesa]

uh

is this bad?

[cloud sinew]

a rarity change is generally a bad fix imo

[fickle mesa]

if i have a gold seal now its 6 extra dollars in some rounds

[kindred valley]

Dusk costs a lot of money to make worth

[dire sapphire]

update ideas:
space joker is now 1 in 3
hanging chad is now 3 retriggers, but an uncommon joker
baron is now 1.75x so its maybe more ok in gold stake
gold cards now give 2$
rebate now gives 10$, but only works on the first discard of the round

[kindred valley]

Yes

That's not necessarily overpowered but it's not really balanced either

[cloud sinew]

making baron 1.75x would basically do nothing for it's balance within a8

[fickle mesa]

i dont see how this is necessarily a bad thing

its centralizing yeah

[kindred valley]

Chad is wayyyyyy too versatile

[fickle mesa]

it makes it tough to ignore but i dont think thats bad

[lyric shore]

gold card nerf is crazy, chad buff is crazy

[kindred valley]

Chad works in literally any build and is so easy to make happen whenever it's common and cheap

[white zodiac]

im just gonna ignore this one

[dire sapphire]

shpace jonkler

[cloud sinew]

well no, it doesn't

[kindred valley]

No matter what you're playing you can still get value out of gold seals

It's money gen

[daring perch]

chad is for five card hand builds

[fickle mesa]

well

[cloud sinew]

chad works where basically any other retrigger joker would work

[daring perch]

gold seals arent the most common of a thing

[fickle mesa]

first u need a gold seal

[dire sapphire]

what if i made more ideas

[daring perch]

and also not straights

[kindred valley]

Gold seals, lucky cards, glass, polychrome

[white zodiac]

ok I'm not wasting sleep over this conversation

gn streaks

[cloud sinew]

chad absolutely works well in straights, what

[fickle mesa]

chad being good for glass is like

[daring perch]

what if bloodstone was x2 but 1 in 4

[kindred valley]

Chad works for literally any hand type lol

[cloud sinew]

thats worse than old bloodstone

which was 1/3 for 2x

[fickle mesa]

yes factually it does secure the endgame

[daring perch]

usually when i run a straight build its about just. playing straights and not really what cards are in them

[nova mantle]

too bad i aint taking it...

[fickle mesa]

sometimes

[daring perch]

generally i dont take like. lusty or somethign with runner

[kindred valley]

If I'm playing pairs or high card I still want chad for chips and enhancement retriggers

Even just with an empress that's +8 mult

[daring perch]

what if bloodstone was x3 but 1 in 6

[fickle mesa]

well chad isnt much of a scoring joker on higher stakes

[kindred valley]

Chad is like +20 chips earlygame if anything

[fickle mesa]

its a value generator

[kindred valley]

Chad does basically everything lol

[fickle mesa]

use it to retrigger your gold seals or lucky cards

[kindred valley]

It's super fun! But a little overtuned

[opal delta]

also chad obviously doesnt work on every build

[fickle mesa]

powerful yeah

[opal delta]

like on baron mime

[fickle mesa]

but to an extent that like i think is reasonable

[opal delta]

its just taking up a joker slot at that point

[kindred valley]

You are not doing baron mime in gold stake

[cloud sinew]

baron/mime is incredibly uncommon within a8 so thats not a great argument

[opal delta]

ow

[kindred valley]

I can't imagine a build that wouldn't benefit from chad because the instant you get lucky cards or gold seals you're profiting

Even tarot gen with 8 ball and such

[opal delta]

made a wrong argument and my body started to cramp up

[fickle mesa]

first u need to get those cards

[dire sapphire]

more update ideas:
8 ball is now a 1 in 3
hallucination is now a 1 in 3
spectral generators can now produce black hole/soul at the same rate they would normally appear at
abstract joker is now +4 mult per joker
mult cards are now +6 mult
blueprint/brainstorm can now only copy common/uncommon jokers
perkeo now creates 2 copies instead of 1

[kindred valley]

More likely than you'd think

[cloud sinew]

a build that wouldnt benefit is a build that doesnt have those

[fickle mesa]

and lucky cards are easy enough but also like

[opal delta]

I got instant karma’d right there

[kindred valley]

I suppose

I mean, those things just happen and you're likely to have a chad-able thing

In your deck

[twin lantern]

it's common for a reason

[kindred valley]

If you're playing pairs you can chad that bonus card you made in ante 2 and now you're practically covered for chips

[dire sapphire]

i dont like hanging chad

[fickle mesa]

you can totally have a deck w lucky cards that never proc 20

[opal delta]

okay I made my point wrong sorry

[kindred valley]

It's more for potential money gen than scoring

[cloud sinew]

statistically improbable though

[fickle mesa]

eh

oh i mean 20 dollars

[twin lantern]

no lmao I'm not saying you were wrong i was just joking about it's rarity

[cloud sinew]

yes i know

[dire sapphire]

hm that gives me an idea for a challenge

[kindred valley]

I think uncommon chad isn't a great solution but it'd definitely work

That was my first thought but it's kinda sucky

[cloud sinew]

how would it "work"

all it does is make it appear less often, doesnt change how often you take it when it appears

[kindred valley]

If chad were uncommon you'd just barely see it and that's lame

[lunar zealot]

Making chad uncommon just gives it bbc synergy

[fickle mesa]

chad just fits as a common thematically

[cloud sinew]

nah

[lunar zealot]

Photochad is fine as is

a crutch

[dire sapphire]

Challenge - Gambling Addiction

Begin with a full deck of lucky cards
Lucky cards are the only way you can make money
Oops! All 6s is banned

[cloud sinew]

chad does fit as an uncommon

[lunar zealot]

and sure chad is almost always a must take

So is rebate

so is bus

[cloud sinew]

considering all other retriggers are uncommon

[kindred valley]

Imo there just needs to be more retrigger effects because there's like four not counting red seals

[fickle mesa]

commons are generally applicable while uncommons are more specialized but reward leaning into them

[dire sapphire]

supernova > bus

[lunar zealot]

Hell no

[kindred valley]

There's five

[fickle mesa]

the way i see it at least

[lunar zealot]

Bus lets you obelisk pivot

supernova doesn't

[kindred valley]

Chad, buskin, dusk, seltzer, dusk

Right?

[lunar zealot]

bro said dusk twice

[opal delta]

you said dusk twice

[lunar zealot]

Hack

[fickle mesa]

well

[kindred valley]

I meant hack

[fickle mesa]

technically mime

[kindred valley]

Lol

[dire sapphire]

[kindred valley]

Yes 5

[atomic trout]

Another loss.

[kindred valley]

5/150 jokers retrigger

[dire sapphire]

one is bound to lose eventually

[atomic trout]

Damn you Flint! I had a Level 86 Pair going

[dire sapphire]

the house always wins

[fickle mesa]

idk u get one gold seal (hard to do) and now chad is a bit stronger than a golden joker

i dont see the point made here

[dire sapphire]

golden joker my beloved

[kindred valley]

I don't think photochad is a crutch

[atomic trout]

Screw that! I won

[lunar zealot]

Yes it is

[atomic trout]

Never

[dire sapphire]

i should make a mod with all my terrible ideas

[kindred valley]

I mean it's just a powerful combo, if you don't take it you're silly

[cloud sinew]

the point made is that this applies to everything that is on-score.
chad works incredibly well with every single on-score joker, which makes it overbearing relative to most other jokers in that niche

[lunar zealot]

But then again im biased because i don't like photochad

Yeah thats right i fuckin said it

[dire sapphire]

i got some cool ideas and some REAL bad ideas

[lunar zealot]

i think photochad SUCKS

[kindred valley]

One death:

[opal delta]

thats so based

idk

[fickle mesa]

yeah but then money has like diminishing returns and stuff

its not like rebate where it instanstly gets u a ton of money

[cloud sinew]

so rebate really isnt that much stronger than golden joker because of diminishing returns! /strawman

[lunar zealot]

r/strawmanarguments should be a thing

[kindred valley]

Probably is

[lunar zealot]

where we just make strawman arguments

[dire sapphire]

ideas i think are cool:
xMult ride the bus but it only scales on Aces

bad ideas:
the EVIL plant
any balance change ideas i have

[fickle mesa]

u need to build into chad so it then pays u back more but in a balanced way

[cloud sinew]

I enjoy making strawman arguments and stating them as such because that's not my actual argument, it's just fun to use them

[fickle mesa]

also in a 52 card deck

[lunar zealot]

Sis i love strawman arguments because i am a deeply flawed hypocritical person

[cloud sinew]

...?

[dire sapphire]

buff hanging chad

its too weak

[cloud sinew]

i dont understand what youre saying here at all

[fickle mesa]

ur probably not finding the gold seals every round

[cloud sinew]

and you dont need to

econ doesnt need to be consistent

[fickle mesa]

invest into it with deaths and gold seals and lucky cards and get rewarded w value

[lunar zealot]

When the fajitas come out sizzlin

[fickle mesa]

if its the jokers that are a problem then like

[kindred valley]

Luckies are easy to get, lots of money gen (also lucky cat to the moon)

Stones are easy to get, hard to draw, but that's 150 chips

Mult cards are extremely easy to get and that's +8 mult

Any editoned cards are rare but are super valuable with chad

Any on-score jokers like the suit based stones, business card, 8 ball, odd todd

[fickle mesa]

idk

its hard for me to break down but

the runs with chad never feel too different compared to the ones without

outside of photo obv

or golden ticket that one can be a little overtuned

[kindred valley]

I feel like if a joker has me taking rental perishables more than not it's pretty damn good

Chad just provides so much value

Pretty consistently

[lunar zealot]

i wonder how chad can be balanced

[daring perch]

campfire my goat

real use for rentals

[lunar zealot]

1 in 2

[cloud sinew]

retriggers the first and second card once

[kindred valley]

One trigger on the first two cards

[fickle mesa]

its good but is it good in a way unreplicable by other jokers

[daring perch]

chads fine as it is i think

maybe the multiplayer balancing

thats as far as id go though

[kindred valley]

I like multiplayer so much because it acts as normal on high card builds

[lunar zealot]

imagine your chad just goes

[pale wolf]

i would be only a little sad with chad changing

[cloud sinew]

i would be so happy if rebate got nerfed

[fickle mesa]

also i think photochad is special game design wise

[daring perch]

update ideas:
wheel now has a 0 in 4 chance to trigger and also always hits foil (so nothing changes really)

[fickle mesa]

its a very obvious combination

[cloud sinew]

it feels so miserable taking rebate for the 5th time it's appeared in a row

[pale wolf]

i think its fine as is but the mp nerf isnt that big of a deal outside of specifically glass and photochad

[kindred valley]

I think chad and rebate are really fun "overpowered cards", and I always lean more towards leaving the balance as-is in discussion

But I wouldn't mind some changes lol

[daring perch]

it feels very much of a "fuck you" to photochad

[fickle mesa]

but not spelled out

[kindred valley]

If rebate were 3 dollars I'd be fine with that

[daring perch]

it used to be

[fickle mesa]

which is good! u want the player to find something and have that "woah holy shit" moment

[kindred valley]

Honestly, 4 dollars would make it still feel powerful and fun

[fickle mesa]

and since its common thatll probably be it

[opal delta]

I made it, wanna be the first person to post

[pale wolf]

rebate is nutty and I enjoy using it but yes it is way big

[cloud sinew]

and that was with current blue stake and old gold stake.
reworked blue stake and not old gold stake would make $5 stupidly broken and $4 rebate still overtuned

[kindred valley]

The only other option is to buff jokers like to do list

[pale wolf]

i hope it's $4 with 3 discards

[cloud sinew]

well no

[kindred valley]

It's a bad option

[pale wolf]

🙂

[daring perch]

to-do list is doomed to be inconsistent as fuck and also really good

[kindred valley]

To do list is good

[cloud sinew]

TDL is fine because econ doesnt need to be consistent

[kindred valley]

If strush was a hidden hand to do list would be a banger

[lunar zealot]

Dude i was joking

[daring perch]

my main issue with to do list is that i keep fucking seeing it like. ante 1 on strush

[fickle mesa]

the best option is to upgrade other econ jokers and increase the price of everything

[pale wolf]

i hate eternal to do list tho

[daring perch]

i aint picking that shit up i need immediate money

[lunar zealot]

delete the sub people are just gonna use that for politics

[cloud sinew]

no thanks

that sucks

[fickle mesa]

yes i was joking lol

[kindred valley]

Lol no

[daring perch]

what if bloodstone was x4 and 1 in 10

[cloud sinew]

it wasnt very obvious tbf

[fickle mesa]

it is now

[opal delta]

does leaving work

[pale wolf]

lol

[kindred valley]

Why does trading card give money

Why is it even econ

[daring perch]

you're trading in your cards for some money

[fickle mesa]

i mean it wouldnt work thematically

[kindred valley]

Trading card is one of the most powerful cards in the game payout or not

[daring perch]

also because like. thats one discard for half a hanged man

[fickle mesa]

it doesnt need to but 3 dollars is not a lot anyways

[daring perch]

its GOOD but like one discard is a lot

[crystal field]

rental trading card always worth

[daring perch]

mainly it makes rental trading worth

[kindred valley]

Trading card is always worth no matter what stickers

[crystal field]

true

[unreal iron]

just make a rare that gives a guaranteed hanged man

[fickle mesa]

trading card is so good but i question its worth all the time

specifically in the endgame

[crystal field]

make a joker that deletes every card in uour deck

[cloud sinew]

absolutely not

[daring perch]

Two Fucking Rental Trading Cards
"holy shit" -jollydude

[lunar zealot]

Prolly

[fickle mesa]

ill see like doc keep deleting cards but like

[kindred valley]

Cards shouldn't give specific other cards or else that kind of ruins the randomness of the game

Imo

[fickle mesa]

at a point its better to just

[daring perch]

I would not take an eternal trading card

[fickle mesa]

discard

normally

[cloud sinew]

this is a mistake really

[kindred valley]

Free deck thinning forever

[daring perch]

eh idk about that

[fickle mesa]

okay so

[unreal iron]

something like cartomancer except it can ONLY generate hanged men

its probably way too powerful so the drawback can be "cant sell the hanged men (you have to use them) and every hanged man costs 2$ to use"

[crystal field]

the nice thing abt trading card is u can choose when you wanna use it

[fickle mesa]

a lot of cases where eternal trading card will serve u well

[daring perch]

Sometimes my deck is thin enough

[kindred valley]

Maybe

[unreal iron]

basically free ass deck fixing but also at a costly drawback

[fickle mesa]

exactly. and if in ante 7 i decide the answer is "no" im not taking it

[daring perch]

I don't want to die in Ante 10 because my flush five build has a slot full of nothing

[kindred valley]

Trading card won't get you to the point of seeing your whole deck by itself

[crystal field]

yeah thats fair

[fickle mesa]

okay but endless isnt real

[kindred valley]

You need some immolates or something

[daring perch]

balatrue

[opal delta]

it didnt work 😔

[crystal field]

if youre going for just ante 8 trading card too late isnt worth

[fickle mesa]

its an extra side mode

[cloud sinew]

it absolutely will

cutting almost half your deck allows for some stupid stuff

[daring perch]

sure if you get it like. ante 1 maybe

[unreal iron]

ante 1 trading card has insane potential

[crystal field]

but if you care at all abt endless its still worth id say

[kindred valley]

I think this should just remove two cards for two dollars because why are we even using hanged man

[cloud sinew]

yep

[daring perch]

usable jokers 🤮

[fickle mesa]

ante 8 is what the actual game is

[kindred valley]

No joker in this game provides you a specific consumable

[unreal iron]

like, why not? its something like a better trading card technically

[crystal field]

no thats what the game is balanced towards though

[unreal iron]

it can be a first idk

[cloud sinew]

only one thing requires you to go into endless and that's petroglyph

[kindred valley]

Roguelike design kind of thrives off of things not directly relating to each other

[daring perch]

No joker in balatro besides Perkeo provides negative consumables

[kindred valley]

You want emergent gameplay

[daring perch]

i think more specific stuff can still lean into that

Like. Don't make Exodia

[crystal field]

you aren’t even required to even win the game

[kindred valley]

Like marble joker simply puts the stone cards into your deck instead of giving you infinite towers

[cloud sinew]

...?

[daring perch]

she blue on my print till i unlock condition

[fickle mesa]

technically there are a couple explicit synergies

[daring perch]

yeah but the option here is either waste a discard or make jokers with a use button

i dont like jokers with a use button personally

[cloud sinew]

name them

[crystal field]

basically, how is petroglyph requiring you to go endless

[fickle mesa]

michel and cavendish, stencil and itself

[daring perch]

The unlock condition

[unreal iron]

vagabond rahhh

[crystal field]

Ohhhh

[cloud sinew]

the unlock condition is getting to ante 12...

[unreal iron]

fr??

[cloud sinew]

yes

[unreal iron]

wow

[daring perch]

vagabond is goated

[cloud sinew]

it's the only thing in the game which requires you to go into endless

[kindred valley]

These don't really count

[fickle mesa]

why dont they count again

[kindred valley]

They're both the same joker just twice

[daring perch]

Michel and Cavendish is more of an unlock-condition type thing imo

[fickle mesa]

michel and cavendish are the same joker now?

[crystal field]

how is gros micharl and cavendish the same joker

[kindred valley]

You can't have both ever

[fickle mesa]

news to me

[cloud sinew]

yes you can

[fickle mesa]

you can

[daring perch]

❌

[unreal iron]

i love forcing 4oak/f5 by ante 4

[kindred valley]

With showman?

[cloud sinew]

theyre both just never in the pool

[fickle mesa]

ankh or invis shenanigans

or showman

[cloud sinew]

2 gros -> 1 dies -> cavendish in the pool

[daring perch]

not even you can just ankh or invis

[kindred valley]

I see

[daring perch]

showman works though

[lunar zealot]

Cavendish is gros michel

[cloud sinew]

showman doesnt add gros michel back into the pool once it's gone extinct

[crystal field]

i thought if one dies they all die

is that incorrect

[cloud sinew]

nope

[lunar zealot]

Once gros michel dies all instances of gros michel in the shop pool become cavendish

[kindred valley]

Ok but they're explicitly supposed to be "the same"
And they don't work off of each other

[daring perch]

you find two before then

[crystal field]

i must have jut gotten very unlucky that one time i had 2 bananas

💔

[vale jetty]

I just accidentally won a game without playing a flush, I diluted my joker pool 😞

[daring perch]

mf they literally arent

[fickle mesa]

so one of these gives +15 the other gives x3

[kindred valley]

Cavendish isn't like "3x mult for every expired gros michael" because that's stupid

[daring perch]

how in the hell are those the same

[fickle mesa]

cavendish is "only appears if gros michel has expired"