🌱・seed-chat

[burnt fog]

if that seed would exist, then it would be seed with highest score available

[prisma pollen]

the chances are literally less than 1 in 1 billion

[burnt fog]

or possible

[prisma pollen]

No no

drespectred has a filter list for high scores already

we need constellation for example

and telescope

[burnt fog]

constellation, telescope into flush houses

[prisma pollen]

8ball early on(read: before leaf) because we don't have infinite money

[left laurel]

Fib doesn't actually contribute much. Scholar does but not as much as Todd

[burnt fog]

well, fib cause im thinking about flush house with 3 aces and 2 eight's

[prisma pollen]

we need todd later on

probably all odds

[left laurel]

The order of operations is that you get all bonuses from one card before moving onto the next.
You get the +mult from Fib, then xmult from Poly Glass, then Dusk does it all again, giving you your second +mult after the xmult has already been applied.
It looks something like
40 base
+4 = 44
x1.5 x2 = 132
then +4 = 136
x1.5 x2 = 408 (which is barely bigger than 132x3 = 396)

Everything said and done, it comes out to like a 12% bonus vs not having Fib.
Whereas Todd would give you +60 Chips per card. Then +300 is more than a 30% bonus to your score.

[burnt fog]

im just a casual player 😢

[left laurel]

Haha, no worries. It's not an obvious thing

[rapid stirrup]

@left laurel #1175526706665234572 message
Well, what I mean is rly nothing special, just managing save files on one (double)click instead of multiple 😹 thought someone already made something like that

Anyways, here, just unpack this into the folder with save.jkr and it should work (I may have gotten a little bit carried away with this)

also it wont replace save if u are not in the menu

[prisma pollen]

Extension not .cmd
not cool

The .cmd extension looks nicer than .bat imo

[rapid stirrup]

🙄

[prisma pollen]

they are roughly the same execution-wise

[rapid stirrup]

bat sounds funny

[mint kraken]

@prisma pollen is it possible to search with your seed search for seeds with the most spectral packs? i gotten like right now a seed with like 5 and i wonder how high it can get

[pallid saffron]

it is

[pallid saffron]

12

there's also 1132PDE4 and 115FZEBQ btw

[glad crest]

I assume lots of grims?

[pallid saffron]

LOTS of grims

there were like 5 or something

absolutely wild

[mint kraken]

What does Grim do I don't even remember

[pallid saffron]

gives aces

[mint kraken]

Ah

[glad crest]

2 ace - 1 card

[pallid saffron]

the first 2 seeds have 30 spectral CARDS; 115F... has 33 cards.

[glad crest]

dang

[mint kraken]

So 115f goes first

[glad crest]

1132PDE4 has holo scholar, nice

[pallid saffron]

117OQAPD (only has 28 cards)

[glad crest]

couldve gotten smeared joker earlier but eh

[mint kraken]

yeah i also tried to get a screenshot of the 4 rares but balatro bugged and it took a screenshot of the homescreen sadge

[glad crest]

lol, sadge

[pallid saffron]

11AOJ38R
33 cards (again)

[mint kraken]

we need to find the one with the most cards at this point

[pallid saffron]

in the searcher I used cards as a tiebreaker for seeds with the same # of packs

this means 12 packs and 33 cards

the theoretical maximum is 15 packs and 60 cards

[mint kraken]

https://i.imgur.com/M3ICJkJ.png

16 nines holy

[pallid saffron]

wild

[glad crest]

incantation kills holo ace LOL

[timid pier]

:0

[glad crest]

immage being goofy

[timid pier]

i c

[mint kraken]

i had like 18 nines or something but the blind that forced me to play 5 cards while having 6 hand size killed me

[glad crest]

psychic?

[mint kraken]

yeah

[glad crest]

why would that kill you

[zenith pawn]

Is there a possibility of reducing hand size to 1 with alot of ecto and qoujia?

[mint kraken]

cuz i didnt manage to get 5 nines in 1 hand

all the other hands werent strong enough

[timid pier]

prob, but surviving that long to do this is harder

[glad crest]

you do realize you can play less than 5 cardsthey just arent worth anything

[pallid saffron]

high card build :O

[timid pier]

ye

[zenith pawn]

You would probably havo to go highcard and maybe burglar for extra scaling

[mint kraken]

i know i can play less than 5 cards but i wont get any score

[timid pier]

high card build users 😎

[mint kraken]

there was an update

now you have to play 5 or it wont give any score

[glad crest]

yeah, so look for 5oak 9s?

[mint kraken]

i tried

but didnt get it

thats what killed me

[glad crest]

I thought you said something else then, mb

[timid pier]

???

[mint kraken]

i got like 3 nines and the rest were random cards

[timid pier]

rip

yeah psychic kills

late game high card users with one hand size

[mint kraken]

i mean having low hand size can kill most runs

[timid pier]

yea

[mint kraken]

like even 6 is crippling

[timid pier]

hand size really important

i watched a few of GLUK’s recent episodes and most runs that died were to a small hand size

i usually never take ecto/ ouija unless i have juggler or its in the shop

[pallid saffron]

searched about 800 million seeds, going to search seeds starting with SPEC

or I guess just SP

[glad crest]

same, or its very early I take ouija

[timid pier]

yeah for chaos

new challenge idea: spectral packs only (no celestial/tarot), all tarot/planet generating jokers are banned, spectral cards can appear in shop

maximum chaos 🔥

[molten turtle]

i never take ecto unless juggler, and never take ouija unless ante 1

[timid pier]

yea

[molten turtle]

that's my general rule of thumb

[glad crest]

taking wraith when you have all rare cards crashes the game btw

[pallid saffron]

SP.2G3Z4
28 cards only, but first seed with SP

[pallid saffron]

also what is this start

literally speedrun seed

[glad crest]

LOL

[pallid saffron]

except investment tag + these in shop are faster

which I plan on searching at some point

two pair literally one shots the boss

also have seen lots of ectoplasm and now want to go for a high card build here

[glad crest]

true

[pallid saffron]

4 cards in hand

[glad crest]

LOL

[timid pier]

wow

[glad crest]

now play a 5oak

[pallid saffron]

lost there but maybe 3 or 2 possible?

[rapid stirrup]

you'd probably need a rly huge high card build going

or

spectral shop with -hand size into 2 spectral skips with -hand size

[pallid saffron]

main problem I've noticed is not having enough money

also not a lot of planet cards or +mult cards

[rapid stirrup]

burglar?

[pallid saffron]

SP3QBE6M
finally found another SP seed

[rapid stirrup]

and high card thing

[pallid saffron]

nope

there's like no high card synergy

stopped searching after 500 mil seeds or so

found nothing

[glad crest]

dang

[glad crest]

SP3QBE6M both quijas give 2s but no even steven

[timid pier]

quijas

[molten turtle]

wee joker would go insane

[pallid saffron]

unfortunately that seed will break in the full game

but we could just find another

[glad crest]

ikr

[summer crest]

my b, was testing keyboard and sent just a stupid jumble

[humble cape]

the seed searchers people have been making aren't public yet, right?

[uneven oasis]

Right

[humble cape]

once they are i had a challenge in mind

hm, actually

this doesn't need to be seed-related

[zenith pawn]

I was wondering if math or 00001H has the time to do a search for a seed to do a minimal card played run

i want to try and see if you can beat the game in just 6 cards and not just 6 hands

which requires skipping all sb and bb, a reroll to change psychic

ideally a double wraith start for blueprint and stencil (with at least holo on blueprint and hopefully a edition on stencil) before boss fight

[rapid stirrup]

high card gives you 10x1, what kind of edition would possibly make you score 50000 from that base lol

[zenith pawn]

Holo blueprint
Polychrome stencil
15x66=990
Holo blueprint
Holo stencil
15x64=960
Holo blueprint
Foil stencil
45x44=1980

[humble cape]

high card is 5x1

[zenith pawn]

this would be a possible first ante

the idea is using blueprint and stencil for multiplying mult

and then getting high mult jokers, ice cream and a few levels in high card planet for 10+ chips and +1 mult

if we are lucky enough we might also find a blackboard in later ante's

[rapid stirrup]

I still dont see how would you get 50k tbh, but maybe there's something I dont see

[zenith pawn]

after doing some math it seems to require getting a negative

to get higher mult for Xmult jokers

First scenario is lucky card triggering
5 base chip
50 chips(5 levels of high card planet)
100 chips(ice cream)

155 chips

1 base mult
5 mult(5 levels of high card planet)
20 mult(lucky card)
10 mult x2(holo blueprint)
x2(stencil)
x2(blackboard)

288 mult

=44640 score

Second scenario is getting polychrome on either stencil or blackboard
5 base chip
50 chips(5 levels of high card planet)
100 chips(ice cream)

155 chips

1 base mult
5 mult(5 levels of high card planet)
3 mult(mult card)
10 mult x2(holo blueprint)
x3(polychrome stencil)
x2(blackboard)

228 mult

=35340

assumming 5 pluto's

[pallid saffron]

unfortunately I’m visiting relatives for the holiday until Monday

99% chance I won’t have time to search

[zenith pawn]

Have a nice holiday

[pallid saffron]

Thank you

also don’t forget about glass cards

Only add mult at the start so probably not good enough for the run

[pallid saffron]

Limit would be 10, because you have to beat a round before the first shop and that requires 4 cards

[zenith pawn]

even expecting 5 high card planets is a stretch and that would only be 6 base mult

x2 is only 6 extra mult

[zenith pawn]

simply skip both the first and second blind and get double wraith(holo blueprint and stencil(doesnt need edition, but would be nice))

[pallid saffron]

forgot about enhancements

[zenith pawn]

1 card per boss blind would be 6 cards, it might become 8 if we cant find a perfect seed, since the last 2 blinds might take 2 cards

[pallid saffron]

for +mult maybe raised fist or scholar could also help?

raised fist won’t be very viable because even cards not in play count towards total

[zenith pawn]

mystic summit or half joker is a easy 15 mult

the issue is that you can only have 4 joker since stencil takes 2 slots

[pallid saffron]

negative

[zenith pawn]

if we can get 1 negative you can take 1 mult joker

or 2 mult jokers and skip blackboard

[pallid saffron]

Imagine blueprint + stencil + blackboard + ice cream + half joker

[zenith pawn]

i feel like it might be possible if we can find enough seed which fit the bill on the first ante

[pallid saffron]

I’d have to do the math but that could work

[pallid saffron]

I’d say after the wraith you buy half joker and use investment tags

[zenith pawn]

since 2 wraiths( which need blueprint and stencil) blueprint NEEDS holo is quite the requirement

[pallid saffron]

then you get money for everything else

[zenith pawn]

yeah

dont forget ante 2 reroll boss

since psychic is 5 cards

[pallid saffron]

must play 5 cards moment

[timid pier]

oh ya

[pallid saffron]

you’d probably have to do investment + reroll tag

If we have half joker and the small planet pack with Pluto then that brings us to $0 after ante 1 shop (I think both are $8 off of memory?)

[zenith pawn]

you want to be able to get a planet pack per round and you might not need tarot for card enchancement since you could get it from skip

deck doesnt matter since its seed and money is deleted at start from wraith

[pallid saffron]

this seed could be very rare but imagine speedrun tech with it

although planet cards would still use up time

[zenith pawn]

i dont know if it would be faster for speedruns, but could be fun to see

[pallid saffron]

I alr have plans to find a speedrun seed at some point

I did a quick search for the current WR seed but there’s ways to go even faster

[zenith pawn]

mostly skips that take up less time right?

[pallid saffron]

You’d start with double investment tag and a straight flush to beat the boss, then have everything in the shop you need for the rest of the run

[pallid saffron]

this too

current WR also uses 7 hands and 3 tarots, which could be lowered to 6 and 0 theoretically

is it possible to get 50k off of just jokers in fullskip?

[zenith pawn]

probably, but dont know too much about fullskip runs

a better hand then high card does make it easier though

[pallid saffron]

when I routed the WR I still needed two glass cards to one-shot Verdant Leaf

but with better jokers it should be viable to need none

[zenith pawn]

holo edition is really good

[pallid saffron]

There was a holo iirc

https://youtu.be/YbGVXIL6B9Y?si=3UI5Y31OB7zdWbtk

[zenith pawn]

it is already pretty optimized, but with perfect rng you can always to further

[pallid saffron]

I already have ideas to bring it down to sub 2 (hopefully)

[vocal plover]

is there a way to force polychrome onto a different joker?

[left laurel]

In normal play or with a Set Seed?

[vocal plover]

set seed

[left laurel]

Yeah, suppose the next three shops are
Droll, Golden
Splash, Droll
[DNA], Bus
with DNA having any edition.

If you buy the Droll joker before rerolling. The second and third shops with be
Splash, DNA
[Bus], other

You can strategically buy and sell jokers, causing the shop queue to "skip" any repeats and offer you jokers which would have otherwise occurred later in the run.

The editions stay in the same shop position despite the jokers being cycled.

[pallid saffron]

btw this won’t be possible with thunk’s changes to RNG in the full game

Droll Joker would be replaced with a joker from a different list

[left laurel]

You win some; you lose some

[flat harness]

what seed

[pallid saffron]

the current seed is in the video; have not start searching for a new one

[flat harness]

oh yeah

forgot

[pallid saffron]

I currently am not going to be near my computer until Monday anyway due to visiting family

But I have ideas to optimize this route a little bit with a new seed

[flat harness]

well if anyone was wondering it is IM..BCNE

[pallid saffron]

if you practice controller strats (using a controller for faster menu navigation) the 2:08 is very beatable

[flat harness]

is there a steam hotkey or something to record stuff

[pallid saffron]

I use OBS

[flat harness]

mkay

[pallid saffron]

Windows game bar also works, and I’ve used it in the past for things

[flat harness]

i cant use game bar for discords over 25MB policy

[timid pier]

you can compress video tho

or resize so smaller

[flat harness]

eh

true

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.gg/9aEPubPnnG
Heres the speedrunning server if you want to join the community

[pallid saffron]

OBS also lets you resize it I think

To fit a 2 min video into 25MB would make it really low quality though

If you want it to be validated on the leaderboards I would recommend uploading it to YouTube (or any other service where you can share video files)

[timid pier]

yeah

def

[prisma pollen]

Seed 2ABCOSTH(Familiar?) has BB shop 1

(Don't take spec skip, sigil hearts is bad for your health)

[prisma pollen]

There's also Window Steps Recorder

[pallid saffron]

I should use this for routing my speedruns automatically

[prisma pollen]

It's actually a solid high-image-quality alternative to OBS if the computer can't handle constant screen recs at 1080p

[sinful rune]

Does anyone have a Cartomancer, 8-Ball, Blueprint seed because that sounds insane

[prisma pollen]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1174345030719250513

177T by drspectred

[left laurel]

No cartomancer on that seed tho

[sinful rune]

so my seed is just worse than that one. https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1176674747262709860 I have Constellation and Blueprint shop 1 and 8-Ball shop 2.

[left laurel]

Wellllll, that particular seed was found using the seed searcher, so it's not really a fair comparison

If you're just looking for a fun one, this seed:
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1156234818212868096
was found during the release week, and I've gotten a lot of mileage out of it

[sinful rune]

how do you know which wheel of fortunes will work?

is it you've got to use a certain number in the run or is each wof determined separately?

[pallid saffron]

The randomness for each wof is sequential and tied to the seed

So in a certain seed, it might be that the 3rd wof gives polychrome and the 5th wof gives foil

so the first two wofs you use will always fail

[sinful rune]

Also I'm getting annoyed at my seed because I keep making stupid mistakes that make me reset back to the beginning

[pallid saffron]

Have you tried copying your save file?

[sinful rune]

I'm in the fourth ante and that takes a while.

wut

[pallid saffron]

It’s stored in %appdata%/Balatro/<profile number>

when routing I like to make a copy after each ante/shop

[glad crest]

it just takes a while

[pallid saffron]

Then when you make a mistake you can go to the main menu, paste your old save file back into its original location, and resume from it

[pallid saffron]

I also think someone made scripts to speed this up but forgot where they were

[sinful rune]

in the steam folder or no?

[pallid saffron]

Windows appdata folder

If you type %appdata% it takes you there

[glad crest]

I believe it was roblox

[pallid saffron]

or it’s <windows user folder>/AppData/Roaming or something

[glad crest]

not roblox, Im dumb

[pallid saffron]

this

[glad crest]

yeah stupid, thats their name

[sinful rune]

just save.jkr or the whole folder?

[glad crest]

just save.jkr

[sinful rune]

so how do you keep them straight? or can you rename them and they still be usable?

[left laurel]

I put each one in its own named folder

[sinful rune]

do you have one for each ante or each ante and shop?

[glad crest]

if you reroll then do it after a boss it will crash the gmaae, also I dont do it cause I find it to slow

[sinful rune]

do you put that in the balatro folder in appdata or on it's own on your desktop?

[glad crest]

reroll meaning reroll the shop

[sinful rune]

if you reroll then do it after a boss?

[glad crest]

Im bad with words lol

if you reroll the shop that is after a boss, and then save the file that file will crash you when you use it

[sinful rune]

well I'm now super proud of myself. I was able to get this far copying saves.

if it's in the shop still?

or can I never reroll immedately after a boss?

[glad crest]

yes

[sinful rune]

also do I need to close balatro in order to get saves?

[sinful rune]

to which?

[glad crest]

1st one

also the 3rd one

[sinful rune]

so just save before blinds

[left laurel]

completely safe to do it with the game running
(and I just dump it in the same balatro folder btw)

[glad crest]

👍 or just not in shop after boss blinds

[glad crest]

really? the more you know i guess

[sinful rune]

but shops tend not to be the hard part lol

[glad crest]

lol

[left laurel]

oh, you're new to Seed Optimization, huh?

[sinful rune]

very

this is my first one

spent all day meticulously figuring this out the long way

[left laurel]

Shopping is more than 30% of the optimzation

[sinful rune]

once I know what I'm doing, I can remember it

it's just moving the cards around like they need to be that's hard

[sinful rune]

like how do you mean?

also any other advice I need before I waste another day stupidly?

[left laurel]

Uhhhh, it's hard to explain in a succinct way. I'm actually working on a tutorial video for this. Give me like a day to get back to you lol

[sinful rune]

that's fine I need to conk anyway

[left laurel]

good luck, fam

[sinful rune]

totally unrealted question: have people cracked speedrunning the SPEEDRUN seed?

[pallid saffron]

I should try my hand at that

but afaik no speedrunners have tried that

[sinful rune]

From what I've heard it's a pain as a seed

[pallid saffron]

I haven’t tried it yet

[left laurel]

Hope this helps:
#🎥・videos-and-streams message

[sinful rune]

I presume you do need to close if you're reloading a save

[left laurel]

Turns out, you don't

[sinful rune]

I had another question, but I'm blanking.

I remember: how do you differentiate between identical cards?

Because with flush houses I'm gonna run into some trouble there.

[left laurel]

Trial and error. It's pretty agonizing tbh

Ok, but suppose you're using save files as checkpoints. Back up your save file and then use a Tarot card to make your repeats unique. One you know where they end up (scouting ahead one round at a time), you can go back to your last checkpoint.

[sinful rune]

Do I need to exit to menu?

[sinful rune]

do lucky cards work similarly to wof? they gotta be used a certain number of times before they yield anything?

[pallid saffron]

everything works like that pretty much

[sinful rune]

so I want my lucky cards to show up as much as possible basically

[pallid saffron]

show up or trigger?

If show up then it’s shuffler manipulation

[sinful rune]

true

do you know which it is?

[pallid saffron]

Do you want them to appear in your hand or give you rewards?

The first is shuffler and the second is its own engine

[sinful rune]

I want to know if/when they'll trigger.

[pallid saffron]

That is determined by its own RNG and is sequential, similar to glass cards, where maybe the 3rd card played will always give you money (no matter what it is)

So which lucky card you play doesn’t matter; only how many lucky cards you’ve played.

[sinful rune]

so it's counted overall, not specifically

interesting

[pallid saffron]

yeah, all of Balatro’s RNG is sequential, so the order of different types of events are predetermined on each run

[sinful rune]

I am trying to replace the 4 of hearts with the 7 of spades.

Where do I need to place it in this hand?

Same actual position or the same relative position.

[glad crest]

oh thats a math question not me

[sinful rune]

because it's in the right relative position, but the actual position was one over

also I'm two antes in and haven't seen a single hanged man which would be REALLY HELPFUL

[humble cape]

to switch the positions of two cards, you must have them in the same hand earlier at some point in the run and switch their places then

[sinful rune]

this is where I'm trying to switch them

[humble cape]

ah

then the problem here is that you have to either discard or play them together

[sinful rune]

I just can't get rid of the seven at the same time

[humble cape]

you need the 7 for another hand here?

[sinful rune]

I need it to show up for a strength MUCH later on

[humble cape]

i mean in this round

you can't discard it first hand?

[sinful rune]

If I get rid of it this hand, it doesn't show up, since that messes up the order

[humble cape]

oh i see

if you switch the 7 and 4 here though, then select the 7 for discarding, that should properly switch their places

it probably didn't work before because the 4 is the 4th card in the discard, and the 7 was the 5th

[sinful rune]

so Jh8h8d5h7s?

[humble cape]

Jh 8h 8d 7s 5h

the 7 needs to be where the 4 was in the discard order

[sinful rune]

and it was after the 5

because it was in order before

[humble cape]

what?

[sinful rune]

This is original

[humble cape]

wow that was confusing with your earlier screenshot

[sinful rune]

That was with the switch having occured. Sorry.

[humble cape]

all good

[humble cape]

this seems right then, so long as you usually discard the 4, and so have swapped the 7 in to discard instead

[sinful rune]

yes I usually did

I only remember that because I was trying to get rid of the hearts

but I needed to play 8s

and play doesn't do anything different than discard

[pallid saffron]

iirc relative (so the 4th card is the 7)

tbh this was more of a drspectred question, I think I only used shuffler manipulation once or twice before when routing

[sinful rune]

I'm just annoyed that I haven't seen a single Hanged Man in this whole run

[pallid saffron]

that’s also sequential

[sinful rune]

I know.

[pallid saffron]

so it might just be an unfortunate thing about the seed

[sinful rune]

yeah

but it's a seed I found myself

then again I haven't made it much past ante 2

[pallid saffron]

I remember the original seed for the Thinning challenge also had really bad Hanged Man RNG

[left laurel]

Switch the cards in hand before choosing which cards to discard
then, choose the same positions to discard

discard, or play

[left laurel]

This move is correct, with the 4 of hearts in the 7 of spades spot
but when you play the pair, the 7 of spades reverts to where it would normally be in the hand

[left laurel]

in this position, more the 7 of spades one space to the right, where the 4 of hearts would have been

For the rest of the round, treat the 7 of spades as if it were the 4 of hearts

[sinful rune]

but the 4 of hearts is before the clubs in the first place

[left laurel]

oh, is it?

silly me

[sinful rune]

This is original

so just leave it bhe because it happens to work right

[left laurel]

yeah yeah

[pallid saffron]

does the position of cards in the held hand matter during a round? (I know it does at the end)

[left laurel]

If you happen to open an Arcana pack between rounds, you may need to move things around again, pretending the 7 is a 4

[sinful rune]

but because the 4 of hearts would have been played, I'd play the 7 of spades and make sure that the 4 of hearts is where 7 of spades should be

[left laurel]

no, but it's sometimes easier to track if I keep is consistent throughout the round
until I get comfortable enough to just leave it

[sinful rune]

I don't THINK i see them

[pallid saffron]

as expected; good to know for speedrun routing

[sinful rune]

but good to know that the shop counts as the round

welp I need to go back to ante 1 again to see what I did wrong.

I somehow replaced the 4 of hearts with the 5 of hearts

I don't know HOW

but I did

[left laurel]

Someone asked about how to deal with multiples.

One kinda of lazy way to do it is shuffle all of them into the arcana pack. And then just track which cards "slots" are in your starting hand, next 5, next 5, etc.

You can see me doing this in 177 run in Part 3

[sinful rune]

I did ask that

This is the original hand.

So is this properly switched?

[pallid saffron]

Now the 7 will appear whenever the 4 would

[sinful rune]

And I think the next time it shows up is three hands away when I need to strength it

[glad crest]

congratz, you are now a wizard

[sinful rune]

I don't feel it

[humble cape]

🧙

[sinful rune]

I've done these blinds so many times

[left laurel]

🧙‍♂️

[sinful rune]

now I'm trying to figure out if a 15 gold Temperance is better than a Sun, which seems to be my most common conversion card.

[glad crest]

yesnt

[sinful rune]

yesnt?

[glad crest]

yes and not

yesnt

[sinful rune]

And I can't adjust it in any meaningful way because there's a Temperance right before it that I need to get rid of in order to get new Temperance.

[sinful rune]

I'm still getting this. I was supposed to have a 7 of spades here, but it keeps not showing up

[glad crest]

uh

magic

[sinful rune]

somehow that process replaced it with the 5 of hearts

don't know how

[glad crest]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-magic-gif-12725683

[sinful rune]

replaced 4 of hearts with 5 of hearts

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-didnt-help-at-all-gif-23741835

[glad crest]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-gif-25791948

anyways gn

[sinful rune]

night

[humble cape]

are they both showing up in the same hand in a later round?

[sinful rune]

no

that's the only time I see the 7 i think

7s and 5h both appear

but its not supposed to switch those two

yup they do

[humble cape]

guess that's when you'll need to switch instead

[sinful rune]

yup

[sinful rune]

Tomorrow I can finally move forward after figuring that out.

[rapid stirrup]

was there already a seed found with multiple blueprints since white whale bug can be recreated now? 🤔

I know its a bug, but for a silly fun it'd be interesting to see how crazy things could get with it in a seeded run

[pallid saffron]

imagine double blueprint and double dusk

[rapid stirrup]

😸

youd probably want to get the dupe cards late, so you dont have to get dupes of other cards early

[pallid saffron]

I’ll have to discuss the search criteria with others but I do want to find a seed

It’s pretty much the same with slightly fewer restrictions and two repeating jokers

[zenith pawn]

can the white whale bug be triggered on any seed as long the the same joker shows up in shop cue?

[rapid stirrup]

ye

but the jokers still appear in order set by seed

[pallid saffron]

if you do the setup for every joker you buy then as long as it’s in the queue somewhere during the run it will work

[zenith pawn]

then it might be interesting to see if dusk and blueprint show up twice in the current world record seed

[pallid saffron]

#1174345030719250513 message

[zenith pawn]

taking into account the last jokers drspectered reached in his run

since it needs to be within that timeframe

[pallid saffron]

drspectred went through ~100 jokers

no duplicates of these jokers if I checked properly

[rapid stirrup]

ye there isnt

[zenith pawn]

no dupe dusk and blueprint

[rapid stirrup]

probably a really rare thing to occur

within 100 jokers

[pallid saffron]

Blueprint is rare and Dusk is uncommon so they don’t show up as often as, say, misprint

[zenith pawn]

what are the odds of rare jokers appearing in general compared to common and uncommon?

[pallid saffron]

the game chooses randomly from each pool with fixed odds, let me look at some old messages to see

82% common (25)
15% uncommon (16)
3% rare (4)

parenthesis is number of jokers in each pool

[rapid stirrup]

less than 1% chance of bp

😭

[pallid saffron]

Wraith also exists to give a guaranteed rare

It also relies on the joker queue so it is pretty manipulatable; just always pulls from rare pool

[rapid stirrup]

oh I see

[pallid saffron]

so if that appears mid-run from a spectral then there’s a high chance for blueprint to be possible

[left laurel]

Could probably dig, like, 7 jokers deeper at the cost of, like, two Ceres cards

[zenith pawn]

If we can find a seed with 2 blueprint and 2 dusk with aura being polychrome, then we probably dont need high ceres level, telescope and constellation

Might be missing something tho

Just making sure, but the white whale bug cant get you 3 of the same joker right

[left laurel]

seemingly so, yeah

[pallid saffron]

I’ve tested this — no

00001H did source code analysis and it requires a very specific sequence of events to trigger — having 2 jokers already causes the duplicate check to still work

[rapid stirrup]

What if you repeat the collection thingy after getting 2nd dupe

Or you tried that?

Oh

I didnt read next msg

[pallid saffron]

tried this and a few different things on a seed with lots of a repeated joker

[rapid stirrup]

gotcha

Btw, I was wondering, does taking wraith move up the joker queue or is it somehow separate from it? Cuz I remember trying something seeded and taking wraith seemed to have changed a lot for jokers appearing in the shop

[left laurel]

I think I remember someone experiencing something similar?
As if rare skip causes the queue to skip all jokers until the next rare occurs

[rapid stirrup]

that'd be interesting for seed searching if it's true

cuz you'd be able to skip to dusk if it's like 200th joker, when the first rare is 190th

[pallid saffron]

it only skips one joker, but turns that joker into a guaranteed rare joker

[pallid saffron]

it might be because the rarity of the jokers becomes offset from the joker queue

[rapid stirrup]

possibly

[pallid saffron]

I’m pretty sure Wraith pulls from the joker queue but not joker rarity queue

[rapid stirrup]

I was getting an uncommon after getting wraith, which wasnt appearing (at all) without it

I might be able to find the seed give me a sec

[pallid saffron]

So let’s say the rarity queue is [common, uncommon, rare] and you start with a Wraith

[rapid stirrup]

D3IE43YS

the uncommon? I believe was the banner, and wraith was giving stencil

[pallid saffron]

If I am remembering properly that is a separate queue from jokers

[rapid stirrup]

oh I think I understand wym

[pallid saffron]

Which could also manipulate jokers

Either that or the joker RNG is run twice but iirc that’s not what Balatro does

[rapid stirrup]

so rare/uncommon joker skip works same way?

[pallid saffron]

probably but have not tested

[glad crest]

very secific sequence of events to trigger (just got back from doing other things)

[pallid saffron]

yep

you have to view the page with the joker in the collection before buying it

[glad crest]

that doesnt seem to hard?

[pallid saffron]

not hard, just specific

[glad crest]

oh then

[pallid saffron]

depending on people’s playstyles it’s something they would almost never do during a run (including me)

[glad crest]

its possible?

[pallid saffron]

I can do it consistently

try the seed I gave in #📜・bugs-old

[glad crest]

so whats the max

[pallid saffron]

2

but you can have a joker’s effect trigger 4 times due to blueprint

[glad crest]

true

Im off to see the wizard I mean do the bug

[pallid saffron]

🧙

[glad crest]

I keep failing

I DID IT!

ot works for planets

found saturn in the shop and tried to see if I would get the glitch, and I did

[pallid saffron]

It probably works for tarots, too

Could be important for RNG manipulation

[glad crest]

probably

maybe you can do it with spectrals if you open a pack and get 2 of the same one

but then I mean you can only pick one option

[pallid saffron]

I think the card has to be displayed in the shop? 00001H understands more about the internals of the bug

[glad crest]

yeah

[zenith pawn]

that could still be usefull if you have 3 of the same spectrals in a row, if you could get 2 of the same the next pack would contain the third. instead of it just skipping over the second and third

[glad crest]

hmmm

[zenith pawn]

same thing applies to tarot and planets, but less so. you can reroll to get planets and tarots to show up to avoid wasting certain planets/tarots

[glad crest]

wait

wait wait

does vouchers work?

id test it but Im, in the middle of double egg and double juggler run

[left laurel]

I would assume not

[pallid saffron]

they might tbh

[glad crest]

they might

[pallid saffron]

doing homework otherwise I would test

[glad crest]

thats it Im testing

[glad crest]

gl

[mint kraken]

Double hone?

[glad crest]

imagine

doesnt seem to D:

only way I would see is getting all vouchers and then doing it

[pallid saffron]

what if I find a seed where the first two vouchers should be Hone?

Then do the glitch on the first Hone and maybe it reappears?

[glad crest]

do it

[pallid saffron]

give me like an hour because homework

[glad crest]

Ill test it

if you give seed

[pallid saffron]

ok

[glad crest]

it doesnt work D:

got clearance sale ante 2 then got ante 3, redid the seed and did the bug but didnt work

[pallid saffron]

rip

I assume you went to clearance sale in collection before using it?

and didn’t savescum?

[glad crest]

yeah

Ill try again for holo

incase I savescummed and forgot

[pallid saffron]

unfortunate then

[pallid saffron]

savescumming almost definitely breaks it

[glad crest]

I dont remember if I did or not

[pallid saffron]

then I’d recommend trying again

I’ll also try when I’m done

[glad crest]

GDYLS979 is the seed I used

I did it again and no success

[pallid saffron]

I believe it’s not possible then

[glad crest]

yeah

[glad crest]

I did the thing

[delicate kelp]

Q8RD2RHV - 3 wraiths in the first 3 spectral packs

[stone bear]

abandoned has bus 2nd shop

first wraith is poly dna?!?!?

[steady basin]

I could've gotten new pb if I didn't nut at the beginning 😔

NPB2ZUZ6 2 Ectoplasms in the first 2 spectral packs and a lot more interesting things after on

[whole jacinth]

As someone who memorized all the powers of 2 up to 1,048,576, the mult makes me happy

[left laurel]

oh, that's satisfying
Also, a neat talent 🤔

[tight pecan]

2147483647 (plus one) is another good power of two to memorise

[mint kraken]

the 32 bit integer isnt it?

[cedar pagoda]

6M88N94A
go nuts

skip first blind for poly half joker and loyalty card

[glad crest]

I only know to 4096 😦

[whole jacinth]

Although 33554432 is just amazing

[royal dragon]

1 is my favourite 2^x

[pallid saffron]

I like 16777216 (2^24)

[mint kraken]

the 8 bit color value

[glass lantern]

No spoilers but seeds GOTHLORD and LORDGOTH both go pretty hard 😛

[sinful rune]

TM6QGJYJ Three Enchanced Cards in three shops. No Hone.

4 now

[wispy grove]

Fun little 8-ball seed, a lot of opportunities for glass making. Didn't even bother to get the DNA that showed up.

[glad crest]

nice

[livid rose]

UQP7YD5V 4 negatives and a bunch of other holos

[gentle kettle]

cough thats cartomancer not 8ball cough cough /j cough

[zenith pawn]

Math would you have the time to look for a seed with double wraith skip(with the first two rare jokers being blueprint,stencil), first 2 jokers editions(if this is too hard 1 of the first 2 is fine too), a reroll tag on ante 2 and a ectoplasm before ante 5.

still want to see if the demo can be beaten using only 6 cards

[left laurel]

only 6 card deck?

or 6 card hand?

[stone bear]

i have a 5 card hand seed where first wheel gives poly

[zenith pawn]

6 cards for the whole demo, that means playing 1 card per boss blind and rerolling psychic

Holo blueprint copying stencil is pretty much required for the first ante

could also do different combinations for editions and stil beat it.

[left laurel]

Ah

[zenith pawn]

ectoplasm is also great since hand size is irrelevant

[left laurel]

Calculate what combination of Jokers would get 50k, and then work backward from there

[zenith pawn]

to get a idea of what might be required(more then 5 joker slots):
5 base chip
50 chips(5 levels of high card planet)
100 chips(ice cream)

155 chips

1 base mult
5 mult(5 levels of high card planet)
3 mult(mult card)
10 mult x2(holo blueprint)
x3(polychrome stencil)
x2(blackboard)

228 mult

=35340
assumming 5 pluto's

since 5 is not getting there

even if you trigger lucky card

for 20 mult

well, if you have polychrome and blackboard it should get there, but i dont want to depend on lucky if necessary

[left laurel]

Seems like you could benefit from having a Stone or Foil card in there

[zenith pawn]

forgot about stone, and thought about foil, but thought searching requirements were already too though

double wraith start with blueprint and stencil, having edition,a ante 2 reroll, and more is pretty harsh i think

[left laurel]

First boss can be beaten with a single Stone card
MiF already has a small collection of seeds for that

[zenith pawn]

investment tags also good

Holo stone card?

[left laurel]

Double Arcana Skip, one gives Stone, the other gives Judgment for +mult Joker

have you seen the only Stone Cards run?

[zenith pawn]

i saw about it in the discord chat, but havent seen it yet

found it, am looking at it now

#🎥・videos-and-streams message
if you were to skip all of ante 2 you wouldn't be able reroll on theis seed, where can i find the other stone seeds?

nvm found it

[zenith pawn]

checked all 15 seeds and none have the scaling or reroll ante 2 required\

[left laurel]

Wasn't expecting them to. Just wanted to throw it out there as a non-Wraith way to be successful.

[zenith pawn]

yeah, tarot into judgement is a good way too, but i thought getting blueprint and stencil in ante 1 would make scaling alot easier, since you effectively already have 4X mult

i dont really know what the easier way of searching for a good seed is tho

[pallid saffron]

I’ve searched for Blueprint/Wraith seeds before and Judgement/Tower tarot seeds, and the first is much easier to find

[zenith pawn]

the difference is that you need editions on at least 1 of the 2 first jokers

preferrably 2

[left laurel]

We can do editions

[zenith pawn]

can you check for a seed with double wraith skip(with the first two rare jokers being blueprint,stencil), first 2 jokers editions(if this is too hard 1 of the first 2 is fine too), a reroll tag on ante 2 and a ectoplasm before ante 5?

[pallid saffron]

yes

[zenith pawn]

what are odds for editions appearing?

[mint kraken]

Foil 2% holographic 1.4% poly and negative 0.3%

1 in 25 for an edition or 4%

Can be doubled with hone also

[zenith pawn]

if i did the math correctly that 192million seeds for each seed that meets the requirement, not taking into account ectoplasm

[zenith pawn]

never knew how much hone increased your chances, interesting to know

[mint kraken]

"Foil, Holographic, and Polychrome cards appear 2X more often"

Maybe in full game we'll have glowup which makes it 4x instead of 2x

[zenith pawn]

upgraded vouchers would always help

[zenith pawn]

2 spectral tag appearing
1/16
1/16

2 wraith from specter pack
1/5
1/5

2 specific rares from wraith
2/4(blueprint or stencil)
1/3(the remaining one)

first two jokers editions
1/25
1/25

ante 2 reroll
1/8(2 chances at reroll skip)

total odds:1/192.000.000

[pallid saffron]

you can also imagine, perhaps:
1/5 - ectoplasm in next spectral pack
~1/2 - another spectral pack appears in the run
1/5 - good enough RNG throughout rest of run
yielding 1 in 9.6 billion as a rough estimate

still doable with the seed searcher tbh

keep in mind that without blueprint being holographic, you can’t beat the first boss with high card, so it might be more like 1 in 20 billion

[pallid saffron]

in fact when I search this I might only check for this, as it’s much likelier and more consistent than both jokers having an edition

[zenith pawn]

holo on stencil and foil on blueprint would still do it, but i get your point it isnt just editions, it is also the right editions

holo on blueprint would ofcourse be preffered

since in the last few ante's you will need every bit of help you can get

[zenith pawn]

checking if holo is on blueprint would be usefull, but i didnt know if it was a thing you could easily code in

[pallid saffron]

I can :)

[rotund python]

it ends up at NOSPOILE

wait im stupid did i highlight the wrong thing

oh well lets try it

[high depot]

I have a very weird request if someone could help with it, I need a seed with a poly aura skip in ante 1, justice tarot in shop, and a boss reroll skip for ante 2.

[humble cape]

have you seen https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1161847176402583602 ? i don't know if it has your other requirements but it could be a start

[high depot]

I checked like 20 or so of them and didn't find ideal ones so I am wondering if a more specific search would be possible. I don't how finding these seeds work so I am not sure if my request is doable or not.

[whole jacinth]

Talk to MathIsFun

[pallid saffron]

👋

[humble cape]

yeah, the people with the seed searchers have done things like this before

[pallid saffron]

very doable

[humble cape]

i assume it wouldn't be too difficult

[pallid saffron]

currently working on a Low% seed (what Kas was asking about) but I'll add it to the list

[high depot]

thanks

[pallid saffron]

update: here's 30 seeds
111C746R
112JHZQZ
1146INMZ
115FIUD5
115G8ZVR
115ZEJRG
116UCDUP
117KBFA4
117O3N5B
117P1THX
117ZB3BW
119WF9P1
11AAXUZM
11ATIUAE
11BL1DSE
11BM45EU
11CGF9R5
11CWCLFD
11D8FEQZ
11DKLZ6P
11ELEQ33
11EY4MG7
11F1C4MR
11F55QOE
11HD2CYS
11HH1P1L
11HIBR1A
11HKMJAT
11I2DNQX
11IR8YI2

All of these have holo blueprint + wraith spectrals and an ante 2 boss reroll
I didn't add the ectoplasm check because after ante 1 you need good shop luck anyway, which will need to be searched manually

gonna run this for a bit longer then post the results in #1156061354076155944

lol [seed: 115G8ZVR]

[glad crest]

lol

holo blueprint with stencil go crazy, banner for chips also

[pallid saffron]

some nice runs (different seed)

[pallid saffron]

but water exists which is the issue with using it

[glad crest]

true

[left laurel]

I'm invested in this project, too
Can't wait to see what Kas comes up with

[pallid saffron]

by the way I have 99 seeds now

[glad crest]

Im invested in being invested in this project

[pallid saffron]

searcher is fast

[glad crest]

LOL

[pallid saffron]

115ZEJRG is the first promising one, you get a glass card or money doubler after this and might be able to beat water

117P1THX
Really good jokers, really bad planets

just skated by the needle here (same seed)

made it here with lvl 1 high card (not with 1 card per round)

anyway that was me trying to go through the first ten seeds, going to let this run a bit longer and then send all the seeds

I have 186 right now

[glad crest]

dang, neat

[rapid stirrup]

question is, why run yellow deck when first 2 skips are wraith 🤔

[left laurel]

habit, I imagine

they're trying to win playing only High Card, so the deck doesn't really matter

[glad crest]

skill issue I mean what would the best deck be?

[humble cape]

i imagine the best deck would be one that's good at making high card 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[glad crest]

yellow deck gives higher chances for chip jokers

[left laurel]

Well, it may be important at some point to use a specific High Card, such as a Stone Card or a Glass Card

[glad crest]

yeah ik

and I believe they said they are doing glass for more multi

stone prob better though since holo blueprint into stenicl

[left laurel]

Something I encountered when doing the "Only Stone" run,
If you're play only Stone cards, you can't swap them with any non-Stone cards,
making the deck manipulations very tricky

[left laurel]

Glass is useless actually

[glad crest]

true

[pallid saffron]

^this
+$10 is useless
+1 discard is almost useless
removing face cards is a defecit since it removes cards that give the max chip value

also just hit 400 seeds

after searching 12.5 billion seeds, or about 0.5% of the possible seeds (not including symbols)

[rapid stirrup]

removing face cards kinda works tho? if u make a card editioned and need to look for it

[pallid saffron]

yeah, but I'm mainly trying to route early game so for that I am able to discard much less often

was kinda just bored while letting the searcher run

anyway I'm going to share all the seeds now, so we can move discussion to that thread

[glad crest]

so when do you want to try my idea for seeds

Im busy tomorrow so if your busy I want it some time during the weekend if that works for you

[pallid saffron]

I should be able to get it by then

[rapid stirrup]

speaking of editions, I think holo is the best one for this, so stone + holo?

[pallid saffron]

honestly I might do it right away

[glad crest]

oh sweet

[rapid stirrup]

(I mean the 6 cards played)

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1179930586069094492

[pallid saffron]

messed up the search criteria but this seed is fun anyway WHITEXBR

first seed I see has this [WHITE2ND]

[glad crest]

oooo

shiny

any money tag skips?
so I can buy it

[pallid saffron]

no but I spaced it out to first 4 shops so you can build up money

this seed in particular has it in 3rd and 4th shop

enjoy 69kb of seeds

actually let me get this to like 100k seeds so someone can make a filtered seed generator

[glad crest]

LOL

ok

[rotund python]

WHIT11V7 has two money skips for 2nd boss

Use Mystic Summit and Constellation

[glad crest]

ok

was asking about if money skips for the poly scholar and blueprint but math said no

[rotund python]

oh nvm

For some reason the seed I entered was ENJOY69K

when i copy from embedded code it copies from the message

but I still won with a 200k score

[glad crest]

nice

[rotund python]

lots of foils and constellation

[zenith pawn]

I have to give most of the credit to math, without seed searching this would be impossible to find. Will probably start running after school ends

[sinful rune]

BJ2DWZPY This seed has amazing Wheel luck.

[rotund python]

WHITE2ND: First spectral spawns Stencil, was able to buy poly A+ in shop later

But blueprint I didnt have enough money for

[pallid saffron]

has white whale blueprint (or poly A+, then blueprint in next shop)

[rotund python]

interesting, i'll give that a try

[pallid saffron]

It’s funny, both the seeds WHITE and WHITE2ND have early white whales

[sinful rune]

white whales?

[rotund python]

White whale is a term where you cheese the game's bug

You can buy the same card twice in a shop

In fact I did one in WHITE2ND just now

To do this:

• When you see a Joker you want to buy, don't buy it yet.
• Open Options > Collection > Jokers
• Go to the page where that same Joker is found. Exit the menu immediately (press ESC)
• Buy the Joker and encounter it later

[left laurel]

Realized just now you meant Polychrome Scholar and not, like, Polychrome Ace. You absolute goon.

[rotund python]

everyone remembers jokers by design and not name

[left laurel]

Everyone else, maybe

[rotund python]

I did win that seed with 192k

[gentle kettle]

As someone that can name every v0.9 joker, I can say that's a lie

The white whales are pretty crazy tho

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1179946209859874869

[gentle kettle]

I know, I saw 🙃

[royal dragon]

I just find it interesting how the white whale bug is even possible. Like, how does this effectively manipulate the already predetermined shop spawns? I understand that it works but

[stone bear]

we need a constellation white whale seed

[left laurel]

Many features of the shop queue are predetermined but perhaps not predetermined to the extent you think they are. I made a video explaining it here:
#🎥・videos-and-streams message

[glad crest]

there is a part of the code that checks for multiple jokers, but when you open collections it redoes the code for look for multiple jokers and doesnt find it since you havent bought the joker

so the code thinks you have 1 joker until you either savescum or look in collections again

[royal dragon]

that explanation helps a lot, and Shadow's comment also helps explain why, thank you

[glad crest]

00001H told local in bug reports, I was just passing the torch

[gentle kettle]

except the torch is a gamebreaking piece of code

[glad crest]

exactlyyyy

[gentle kettle]

this is bad for your mental health

pls stop

[glad crest]

never

[gentle kettle]

Always

[storm oyster]

Something tells me that UUI1TZ84 has some good potential for Royal Flushes/Flush Houses in Clubs (again).

[hushed sphinx]

Goofy ahh seed

ED4QGWVU

like 6 spectral packs

[glad crest]

Nice

[hushed sphinx]

first one gives blueprint

won with straight flushes only

[stone bear]

ooooh ill try this

[stone bear]

third spectral gives poly five?!

[left laurel]

MiF found this seed for 12 Spectral packs:
SPFH5G3I

[hushed sphinx]

it never gave me polychrome

[stone bear]

huh thats weird

[gentle rivet]

Well was just playing through some unseeded runs and found ARAWDFK1 where 2nd shop has both stencil and DNA. Haven't completed run yet but it might be able to pop off with yellow deck

There's also a spectral pack in the first shop, but it's got destroy for aces and destroy for faces so prob not worth picking up

[sinful rune]

well 5oak aces

[pallid saffron]

Tomorrow night I'm going to begin searching for the optimal white whale high score seed, but I need help from the community on what the search parameters should be. I want there to be quite a few seeds so we can filter the best using sorting and manual routing.

Here were the conditions used in the last search, and I want to expand this to include what is possible with two blueprints and two dusks:

• The first spectral gives Polychrome Aura
• One of the first 80 jokers is negative
• 8 Ball and Blueprint appear in the first 5 jokers
• Burglar appears in the first 10 jokers
• Constellation appears in the first 20 jokers
• Blackboard, Loyalty Card, and Dusk appear in the first 80 jokers

In this thread, let's define a new set of conditions that uses the power of the white whale glitch to aid in this search.

Current ideas:

• extend search range to first 100 jokers
• 2nd Blueprint in first 50 jokers, then Dusks after?
• Telescope Voucher in Ante 2-3
• Spectral Pack in Ante 1-4, check all for aura
• Order search criteria based on importance: Poly Aura, WW Print+Dusk, Telescope, Xmult

Nice-to-haves, but not necessary:

• Crystal Ball Voucher in Ante 3-4
• More negatives

[sinful rune]

so is the number given by misprint pre-determined as well?

[pallid saffron]

yes

[pallid saffron]

ZK5Z9RLD
found a cool seed without searcher this time

has 3 early negatives, one naturally and two from the 4 negative tags in a row (the 4th one doesnt proc)

[mighty lichen]

**:bar_chart: why can i still do this **

🇦 someone should really fix this

[devout void]

wow i didn't think that would actually work someone should actually fix that

[gentle kettle]

lmao yeah we can do that

[humble cape]

perhaps it would be fine to leave available

unless someone finds a way to abuse it, it seems fine

[gentle kettle]

kinda easy to spam tho

[humble cape]

it's also easy to spam normal messages

i assume the consequences would be the same

[mighty lichen]

**:bar_chart: this should not be allowed **

🇦 seriously

[gentle kettle]

unironically this is very good

[devout void]

we have access to some other bot stuff too though, something about applications and something about... pigs?

[molten turtle]

yeah

[sour jolt]

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[gentle kettle]

okay wait lets stop doing this in seedchat lmao

[humble cape]

🤔

[devout void]

yeah

[humble cape]

where the botzone at

[gentle kettle]

off-topic

ig

[humble cape]

:^)

[tough trellis]

9Q15X6C6

Really early blueprint, managed to get a negative joker through a spectral pack and drew a stencil for easy 4x mult on every hand. Didn't play it anywhere near close to optimum but managed to win easily with flushes only.

Also grabbed a couple holo cards and one foil

[glad crest]

niceee

[tight pecan]

blueprint DNA seed HHSGWADB - don't screw it up like me :)

[iron sage]

F

[rotund python]

no worries, i did it

I did a diamond J + 10 flush house build

[humble cape]

yo i just found a seed with blueprint, burglar, and grabber all by round 2 shop

KW4SB115

this is nuts. what should i do with this??

[zenith pawn]

most cards played unseeded

[humble cape]

holy shit

2 pair build then?

[stone bear]

high% real

[humble cape]

actually does cards played stat only count scoring cards?

[zenith pawn]

dont know, but assume it just means every played card and not scored

[humble cape]

you know what, i'll just test it on another profile

[zenith pawn]

so use alot of hands discard everything and then 1 shot it with the last cards

[humble cape]

not the seed, the cards played stat

[zenith pawn]

good luck🫡

[humble cape]

it does count unscored cards

[pallid saffron]

Setup WW for both cards if you haven’t bought yet, maybe you can beat the low score record

[humble cape]

awesome

[glad crest]

it doesnt count scored cards

just cards played

[humble cape]

nah nah nah i'm a no glitches boi

[glad crest]

🙄

[pallid saffron]

I respect that

[zenith pawn]

it isnt a bug its a secret feature

[glad crest]

^

[stone bear]

sad that the feature is getting removed

:[

[pallid saffron]

and readded as a joker

[stone bear]

true

[humble cape]

ok i think this was a good round

[glad crest]

Its not getting removed until full release iirc?

[glad crest]

gj

[steady gorge]

that bug is already fixed

[zenith pawn]

now you just need to keep this up and make your deck bigger, so you can play even more cards

[glad crest]

oh ok

[humble cape]

yeah that's going to be difficult

what are all the card addition methods

dna/spectrals?

stone joker?

i don't remember any tarots that can

[glad crest]

thats it

[zenith pawn]

thats about it i think

you can copy dna

[glad crest]

hand dup glitch

[zenith pawn]

but not the stone joker, since it needs to be on burglar

[humble cape]

makes sense

[zenith pawn]

unless 8 hands i enough

[humble cape]

can i beat 1200 with 11 hands 🤔

[zenith pawn]

then its fine to copy stone joker

[zenith pawn]

there was a 1200?

[humble cape]

big blind 2nd ante

[zenith pawn]

ow you mean score

[humble cape]

i think 3oak might be the easiest and most consistent way

[zenith pawn]

i thought played cards

[humble cape]

lol

i need to build up my money again

[zenith pawn]

minor difference

[humble cape]

so i'd rather not spend if i can afford not to

[zenith pawn]

just upgrade your straight flush and use that

all other hands to discard

[humble cape]

^

[zenith pawn]

gl, i have to go

[humble cape]

cya later

[glad crest]

dont forget its cards played not hands played so you dont have to play EVERY hand, just EVERY card

[humble cape]

i know

but more hands = more cards usually

maybe flushes is better than 3oak

ok i think i can afford not to spend this shop

[glad crest]

well you gain more money

[humble cape]

ah i see what you mean

[glad crest]

also straight flush already 150 x 8 so thats 1500

[humble cape]

oh right, if you do a-10

1200

🤔

[glad crest]

I cant math

you right

[humble cape]

i had already started the round, but i made it

the shop is giving me 8-ball lmao

[glad crest]

lol

[humble cape]

it also has a mega spectral

do i buy both and hope it's enough

i decided to grab both

i could grab incantation 🤔

so im gonna

good news: 8-ball has given me 2 very useful tarots

bad news:

[glad crest]

mb was in bathroom

use high priestess, sell if bad, use emperor

[humble cape]

i did it in opposite order

figured i'd need the planets more

maybe that was wrong, idk 🤔

[glad crest]

I think its wrong cause of the possibilitys of tarots vs planets

[humble cape]

yeah probably

i don't know if 4-card hands in psychic count towards the stat

probably not worth it to do anything else though 😞

[glad crest]

they should since it counts towards loyalty

[humble cape]

oh interesting

doesn't count for bus 🤔

[glad crest]

nope

doesnt count for dna either

[humble cape]

psychic beaten

[glad crest]

can I have seed?

[humble cape]

sfadjsdasjds another spectral pack

[humble cape]

here

[glad crest]

kk

[humble cape]

whoa

i think i accidentally just WW'd a hermit

i was checking collection to see what my last used consumable was (by looking at fool)

[glad crest]

gj

LOL thats amazing

[humble cape]

ok save scumming fixes it

NO GLITCH

[glad crest]

booooo

[pallid saffron]

using an unintended mechanic to disable a glitch

just looking at the collection again cancels it btw

[humble cape]

fr? weird

[pallid saffron]

it makes the game realize its mistake pretty much

[humble cape]

trying to fit "unseeded glitchless world record" into my nickname ends up pretty messy lol

[pallid saffron]

you can just put WR for now, don’t think anyone’s topped this seeded and/or glitched

[humble cape]

tru

when the next demo comes around i'll probably remove it anyway so the odds are low it's relevant

[pallid saffron]

and with the demo ending soon, I don’t plan on looking for a high% seed

[humble cape]

figured

i might try to rerun my chips only challenge in the next demo and see if i can beat it again

[pallid saffron]

I’m curious if new demo will have 6 antes or 8

I’d guess probably 6

[glad crest]

prob 10923785

[pallid saffron]

2^1024

—> #🎙・server-chat tho, this is getting off topic

[humble cape]

tbh i don't even know if thunk means there will be 8 total antes or 8 full antes and a boss

i'm leaning towards the second

since the current final boss has its own screen

[pallid saffron]

yeah, because screenshots have been out of 8

[humble cape]

the demo screenshots have been out of 5

and yet, verdant is in 6

[timid pier]

technically it can be assumed that the game skips the small and big blinds automatically with no choice on ante 6 to fight verdant (ofc no skip tags)

which can explain the slight difficulty spike as you would’ve have 2 more shops and blinds to prepare if it was a normal run

[humble cape]

so uh, due to white whale

min best hand has a new category

17 hands, 2942 score to beat verdant

i think i deleted my spreadsheet i was using to make calculations for the first one. gj me

nope, found it

[iron sage]

is this a double blueprint double burglar kind of thing?

[humble cape]

ye

last time Min Best Hand was done, we only had 11 hands to work with

drspectred was able to route a seeded run to achieve a best hand of 4546, the lowest possible in the game

but now with WW we can get 17 hands, bringing the minimum to 2942

i wonder if drspectred would want to run this a second time or if they'd rather be done with it lol

alright, 5 candidates for the 2942 score:

• 107 x 25 (2675) with 1.1x Constellation
• 107 x 11 (1177) with 2.5x Constellation
• 163 x 5 (815) with Blueprint 1.9x Constellation
• any combination of 19 x 2^7 (2432) with Blueprint 1.1x Constellation
• any combination of 19 x 2^5 (608) with Blueprint 2.2x Constellation

there are more i can find if necessary

[humble cape]

I'm noticing 107x11 is high card 2 with 10 plutos exactly

[rapid stirrup]

I kinda like the idea of the first more, that you can actually prepare for the final fight and also maybe carry over some skip bonuses.
Also when thunk was sharing the scaling for infinite it had "antes past 8" parameter, so I'd assume 8 will be the final boss

As for the custom boss screen in the demo, it might just be for the demo only, but it's a speculation ofc

[timid pier]

i think it's meant for a demo thingy, where it was built to "catch your build off guard"

as it says "/5?"

when i first played i didn't know there would be verdant

which i guess that serves the exact purpose

[rapid stirrup]

yea I guess that makes sense

but again, I think it won't be like that in full game (there is only so much times you can catch somebody off guard lol), unless last boss will be "ante-less"

[timid pier]

one interesting idea is that ante 8 includes final boss along with normal boss

aka 4 blinds in an ante

[rapid stirrup]

how would boss reroll work then though

[timid pier]

🤔

yea didn’t account for that

it’s an idea anyway

[zenith pawn]

i think you would be able to reroll ante boss, but never final boss

still, i think its more likely that the ante boss is replaced with final boss and then you could continue in endless

[sinful rune]

Easy 5oaK 8's seed. No 8-ball. 😦 6E7FQXAT

[humble cape]

back when we were trying to figure out the absolute max theoretical score, Emperor/fool infinite came up from the idea that an RNG quirk could end up accidentally generating the same tarots in a pattern

i would like to know if there's a seed with a patterned tarot order like that @pallid saffron

even something manipulable with consumable slots, like holding onto multiple tarots so they don't show up

[pallid saffron]

For it to be infinite, there would need to be a repeating cycle in LOVE’s math.random() that allows for alternating emperor and fool when passed through Balatro’s other mechanics

I’ll have to check if that is possible, but even if it the odds of that happening among Balatro’s relatively small seed pool might be slim

[rapid stirrup]

I think you only need 1 emperor? every emperor needs to give fool + some other tarot, then you fool previously used emperor, use/sell the 2nd tarot, repeat