Beginner Help Thread | Summoners War | Page 2

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:27 PM

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so right crystal applied def break to me, then he did AoE smash, then great earthquake and wiped the entire team

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the turn order was

Bella
Spectra
Vero
Kro
Whomie

R Crystal applies break
Bella
Spectra
Giant AoE
Giant Earthquake

loud willow May 22, 2025, 1:28 PM

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your spectra's unfortunately the 7th hit, so the first aoe happens

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and since giant's atb is full, he does earthquake

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:29 PM

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loud willow your spectra's unfortunately the 7th hit, so the first aoe happens

yup exactly

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i watched another failed run and it was

R crystal applies break
Bella
Giant Aoe
Spectra
Giant Earthquake

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Kro did a team up so Bella was the 7th hit instead of Spectra

loud willow May 22, 2025, 1:31 PM

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wait did r crystal apply def break before any of your team move?

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:31 PM

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No

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Usually I get 5-6 turns before the crystal applies def break

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6 if Kro teams up
5 if not

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Bella
Spectra
Vero
Kro
Whomie

R Crystal applies break

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On the successful runs, Spectra reduces their ATB so the crystal doesnt def break or the giant doesnt earthquake

loud willow May 22, 2025, 1:38 PM

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a bit hard to actually gauge what happen, you'll have to wait for scarlet to assist u

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:38 PM

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will it be helpful if i post a recording? i recorded 30 runs

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i can timestamp the failed runs too

loud willow May 22, 2025, 1:38 PM

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i tried to mimic the same team, and having giant def break and aoe + earthquake right together is very difficult

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you can send streamable, if discord allows a long video

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:39 PM

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what's a streamable?

loud willow May 22, 2025, 1:39 PM

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google

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i usually record a video, send it via a streamable link, so i dont need to even click the link to view the video

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:40 PM

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ah it's too big size unfortunately

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loud willow May 22, 2025, 1:40 PM

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trim the video

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maybe 1 of which u win, and some of which u lose

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:40 PM

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ok

formal tiger May 22, 2025, 1:47 PM

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You either need more damage or more bulk. Your options are: kill the boss before he takes a turn (you should be okay to survive the revenge hit) or tank both the revenge and boss turn

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The further you get down the list of teams in gbah, the more you move toward “nuke the boss before he nukes you”

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That requires better rune and artifact quality - maybe you have that and just need some help finding the right builds, or maybe you aren’t quite ready for this comp yet

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:51 PM

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it's taking a while to upload (big file)

but so far when watching the VICTORY clips, it seems like an ATB issue

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if I reduce the giant's ATB or the R Crystal's ATB enough, I win

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Either via Spectra or Vero

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Sometimes I even tank a Def break + Giant Revenge and only Kro dies

But after that Giant doesn't have enough ATB to use Earthquake

And Def break runs out

So I can survive further Giant Revenges (Bella has heal as well)

and i win

formal tiger May 22, 2025, 1:53 PM

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I’m sure scarlet will go over this with you, but if your runes don’t support nuking the boss outright, any rolls into cd are basically inefficient and would be better allocated to other stats like spd, cr, hp (and def plus meeting acc reqs). Atk and cd are basically “bonus” stats besides the main stats from slot 2 if applicable, slot 4 and slot 6 that you can add if everything else is met from the build already

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 1:56 PM

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I see

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I was worried I was missing something, as my team meets the required spd and EHP stats

formal tiger May 22, 2025, 2:02 PM

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Speed is basically a checkbox until you get to more advanced teams with specific speed tick requirements, but more ehp is always useful. If stuff is dying, add more ehp

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 2:19 PM

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Sorry I tried clipping the video but file was too big for all the free options

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INRqOnlxXgw&ab_channel=nigielee

Timestamps:

Loss #1 - 9:13
Loss #2 - 20:59

severe pollen May 22, 2025, 2:34 PM

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is your spectra skilled up??

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wait that doesnt give -cd dejj

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question still the same, are all your monsters (except kro and whomie) skilled?

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 2:36 PM

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yes sir everyone is max skilled except whomie and kro

severe pollen May 22, 2025, 2:39 PM

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can you show the stats on your monsters?

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?statshare

woeful lightBOT May 22, 2025, 2:39 PM

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When sharing monster stats, take a screenshot from the monster storage building rather than the monster menu. This lets you show stats, rune sets, and skillups all in 1 image.
https://imgur.com/bmhiJGs

Imgur

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 2:44 PM

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sure it's here, not changed except for some artis where i switched DEF to HP but everyone is still above the required EHP

severe pollen May 22, 2025, 2:50 PM

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the team before worked fine?

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before adding whomie

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 2:52 PM

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yup

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100% win rate

severe pollen May 22, 2025, 2:53 PM

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if your stats match the requirements and you still cant do it, take a step back and farm a bit more runes

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its not a rush to see who can clear pve first

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maybe theres a way to fix the team already with your current runes, can go over that with scarlet

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if you cant, farm better runes, get more dmg and ehp and it will work

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 3:49 PM

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I reruned whomie made him abit faster and sacrificed some damage

Did 30 runs

100% win rate but some monsters die out

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seems fine for now? since im winning 100%

severe pollen May 22, 2025, 5:23 PM

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its fine if you win it all yes

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30 runs isnt enough to know tho

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run it some more

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 5:38 PM

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yup you are right i got destroyed

vague nymph May 22, 2025, 10:48 PM

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Should i sell all Fatal Slot6 Res% runes? dont think theres anyone that uses those runes

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Same goes for Def% and Acc% (Fatal Slot6)

formal tiger May 22, 2025, 10:51 PM

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No blanket rules

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Except sell flat hp/atk/def main stat slot 2

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You should have high standards for the types of runes you’re asking about, but don’t blanket sell them

vague nymph May 23, 2025, 9:56 AM

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How often should I be crafting runes? I've not crafted a single one yet

formal tiger May 23, 2025, 11:18 AM

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Do you need more good runes?

vague nymph May 23, 2025, 12:45 PM

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yes i do

formal tiger May 23, 2025, 12:48 PM

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So…

vague nymph May 23, 2025, 11:13 PM

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help this dude wipes my team

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these 3 moves

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i got like 50+% SSS rate

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I personally feel it's a damage issue if i could sacrifice some HP and add damage i could take him down to groggy state a second time before he does all those strong attacks

formal tiger May 23, 2025, 11:17 PM

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Show builds (hint: and artifacts)

vague nymph May 23, 2025, 11:19 PM

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sometimes i kill him a 2nd time quite early on that's how i get the SSS

formal tiger May 23, 2025, 11:24 PM

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If you’re going to farm this, switch your dd left side Artis to +damage on wind. If your frontline units are dying, can switch them to -wind

vague nymph May 23, 2025, 11:28 PM

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it's v strange because the variance across my runs is huge

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some runs i barely get the 2nd bar of HP to halfway and my team gets wiped

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then sometimes i just destroy the dragon before any of his big aoe attacks

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just trying to get those fatal gems :3

formal tiger May 24, 2025, 12:38 AM

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You only have 3 damage dealers in this one because you need extra healing, so the damage output can be less consistent. There’s variance in what skills are off cooldown, ai, and which units get pulled in team ups. Best you can do is equip everyone appropriately. If it’s not consistent, don’t waste energy farming it yet

vague nymph May 24, 2025, 1:39 PM

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got u thank u!!

vague nymph May 24, 2025, 9:48 PM

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how important are vio runes on Lulu for SR5? im staritng out so dont have many vio runes

coarse lily May 24, 2025, 9:53 PM

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they're not important

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but if you're having this issue the questions become

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who has your better vio sets

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and are you picking vio sets from events?

vague nymph May 24, 2025, 11:36 PM

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mav,fran,bella

yes

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i hardly hae any vio runes at all

coarse lily May 24, 2025, 11:47 PM

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Good answer for 1st question

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You’re probably just not farming much. There’s unlimited rune picks from this event

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Make sure you’re crafting vio runes too

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 12:34 AM

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unlimited rune picks?

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u mean the unlimited shop?

severe pollen May 25, 2025, 12:45 AM

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yes

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 1:12 AM

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Do Raviti and Howl need acc%?

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howl as in lulu

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for SR5

coarse lily May 25, 2025, 1:18 AM

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read lulu skills and you tell me

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 1:41 AM

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Why are Will runes good on Bella? Is it necessary for SR5?

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dont think lulu needs any acc

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raviti yes

coarse lily May 25, 2025, 1:42 AM

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who said will runes are good on bella

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 1:42 AM

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it said in the playthrough to use will/vio

coarse lily May 25, 2025, 1:43 AM

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that's just a specific free set that was given to you for day 1 teams without farming any runes

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 1:43 AM

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i see

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is it correct that raviti needs 15% acc?

coarse lily May 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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yes

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but overall that's very low on your list of things to worry about

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 2:44 AM

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Should Tien Qin be on Spd/HP-DEF/HP or Spd/HP-DEF/ATT? For SR5

loud willow May 25, 2025, 2:47 AM

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tien qin is a damage dealer

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 2:48 AM

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but for SR5 his main job is ATK debuff right?

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so most importantly i need him to survive + move fast

fresh fog May 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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he's a bruiser, so ehp, spd, 100% CR, rest into att

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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120k EHP?

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the usual 120k EHP 169 cmb spd

fresh fog May 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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what is the ehp needed for backline monsters

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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120k

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CD slot 4 or no?

fresh fog May 25, 2025, 2:50 AM

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spd can be faster than yr other dd's

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slot 4 CR is fine

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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does this look ok? for SR5

fresh fog May 25, 2025, 3:22 AM

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jx gave an example of his tq in #1166120830921621504 imgur, if u wan tto compare

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 4:03 AM

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he was using huan not sure if it's the same?

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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For SR5 why do people do the normal beast instead of the elemental ones? Where u can pick the sets u want

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Is the normal beast weaker?

loud willow May 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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neutral beast is easier, and eventually you would want grinds from different rune sets spanning across all 3 elemental beasts

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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i see

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im still in early PvE and ice rift beast drops Energy, Blade, and Swift which most of my guys are using

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so thinking i'll farm a lot of that first

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before moving on to the others

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nvm i just tried Ice Lv5 and i got wiped

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guess it is too much stronger

coarse lily May 25, 2025, 5:08 AM

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huan and tien qin are built the same

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you dont really need to worry about farming elemental raids. they split the sets into the 3 different elemental raids pretty well and its balanced

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you need grinds from all the sets

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you really don't gain anything from farming a specific elemental raid

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 2:35 PM

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how much SR4 farming is acceptable before moving on to SR5? My SR5 winrate is atrocious

sweet locust May 25, 2025, 2:44 PM

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Don't farm sr4

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Farm better runes

sweet locust May 25, 2025, 2:44 PM

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vague nymph how much SR4 farming is acceptable before moving on to SR5? My SR5 winrate is at...

We talked about this before right

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Just keep farming

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No time farming is wasted

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If you are farming giants you are making progress

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There's no rush to get to r5. Progressing through pve feels good but you aren't really missing out on anything significant by staying in giants until you have better runes

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 3:00 PM

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okie!! thanks

formal tiger May 25, 2025, 3:14 PM

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You will be back in giants afterwards anyways

vague nymph May 25, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Generally what kind of monsters use ACC% slot6 runes and what kind of substats would we look for on them?

coarse lily May 25, 2025, 11:46 PM

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similar to res

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for the most part just a speed chase

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but if its a set that has some sort of effect (i.e. not stat set), can also go for high efficiency on a monster like galleon

vague nymph May 26, 2025, 3:48 PM

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what if it's efficient but is part of a stat set e.g. this rune

coarse lily May 26, 2025, 4:02 PM

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you haven't even rolled it how can you say if its efficient or not

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90% of a rune's stats comes from after the rolls

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vague nymph May 26, 2025, 4:03 PM

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i see your point

coarse lily May 26, 2025, 4:03 PM

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vague nymph May 26, 2025, 4:04 PM

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i rolled one into ATK so i guess should just sell it

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What kind of monsters use Despair runes and conseuqently what kind of substats should I be looking on it? I'm assuming it's Spd + Tanky stats?

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Spd, HP, DEF, Res

coarse lily May 26, 2025, 4:13 PM

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Don’t focus too much on the set

vague nymph May 26, 2025, 4:17 PM

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My Galleon just failed S3 def break on Giant, does that mean his acc is too low? I followed ?acc and gave him 35%

loud willow May 26, 2025, 4:22 PM

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give ?accuracy a read, that's answered in the first point from that command

vague nymph May 26, 2025, 4:23 PM

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thank u

vague nymph May 26, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Is there a command to read about guild subjugation?

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 12:38 PM

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in rift-water and rift-light, it is recommended to use talia lead (CR) if you have water twins. however, i already have the twins at 100% CR as I use them for sr5, without a CR lead. Should I use Fran lead for the rift beasts then for 10% spd?

loud willow May 27, 2025, 12:39 PM

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yes make fran lead

visual fog May 27, 2025, 1:31 PM

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what should i play if i wanna get player exp the fastest way is it dragon giants or something else ?

fresh fog May 27, 2025, 2:00 PM

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u farm what u need to farm for #guides

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Should I build 2a Kahli if I already have Eirgar? Im at PCAH stage of pve

smoky meteor May 27, 2025, 8:13 PM

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?dhole

woeful lightBOT May 27, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Second Awakening Priority

Once you get a Lumel 5 team up and running, it is always better to spend Dhole energy farming runes over making 2As - only make 2As when you need to build one.

During #guides : Kro → Spectra → Raoq → Lulu → Icaru/Vigor/Shamann
High Priority PvP: Eshir, Kahli, Bernard, Tractor, Chacha, Elucia, Jultan, Shren
Low Priority PvP: Copper, Bulldozer, Jubelle, Seren, Miho, Lala (last resort sr5 cleanser)

See ?dholeinfo for more information on dungeon teams and Lumel 5 team.

smoky meteor May 27, 2025, 8:14 PM

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As you see Khali is listed after beginner guides

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 8:15 PM

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gotcha thanks i'll just rune up eirgar then

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 9:21 PM

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is 3301 DEF a hard requirement for 2a Icaru for PCAH? or can i do with 3100

gloomy sedge May 27, 2025, 9:21 PM

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hard req, but you can consider summoner and guild skills

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 9:22 PM

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guild skills work for PCAH?

gloomy sedge May 27, 2025, 9:22 PM

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not that tab but

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theres another set of buffs from being in a level 30 guild

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 9:23 PM

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ah i see it's 5% more

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still need 100 more DEF :/

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 11:24 PM

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If my rift beast teams all meet the speed requirements without Verde leader skill, should I still use Verde as leader? For more speed

loud willow May 27, 2025, 11:37 PM

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yes, should be using verde lead

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 11:55 PM

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Ok, what about the other teams where i'm not using verde? as i have water twins

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i'm only using verde in Wind rift

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Btw how come I didn't get SSS even though my points > 3.5m? is it because i didnt kill him a second time or..?

fresh fog May 27, 2025, 11:55 PM

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because u didnt met the req's

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which is also to kill

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 11:56 PM

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Sabrina is short about 7% CR

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besides that i meet all the reqs

fresh fog May 27, 2025, 11:56 PM

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for SSS, not for the monsters

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 11:56 PM

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oh

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I was using Fran lead

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for a bit more speed

fresh fog May 27, 2025, 11:57 PM

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u can do 10M dmg, but if u dont kill the rift beasts, its still A+

vague nymph May 27, 2025, 11:57 PM

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icic

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how does one end up doing 10m damage without killing it though

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concentrating all the damage within groggy phase #1 then dying after?

fresh fog May 27, 2025, 11:58 PM

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it was an example..

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 12:04 AM

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so is Fran lead ok? Seems pointless to have any other lead as my monsters already have close 100% CR (except Sabrina at 93%)

fresh fog May 28, 2025, 12:09 AM

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leads are not yr issue here

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an really any lead outside of more dmg, is whatever

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 12:12 AM

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i see

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 1:47 AM

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When can I replace Fran with Eirgar for rift beasts?

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 5:59 PM

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for NBAH: Kro: similar to Shamann, only 1 hit but if you have him go last there's a decent chance that it's 1 hit that will count.

Why does Kro going last make a differnece? I notice that he's also set to go last in other dungeons like GBAH and PCAH (apart from Verde)

fresh fog May 28, 2025, 6:01 PM

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you want necro's shield to be down so that yr last hit (shamann) can nuke the bosses hp

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 6:21 PM

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Thoughts on Eirgar replacing Bella for wind rift?

fresh fog May 28, 2025, 6:23 PM

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he's already runed for pcah, so i dont see in the harm of testing and seeing if he makes it more consistent

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 6:30 PM

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the units i have for wind rift meet the requirements but i'm barely getting 70-80% SSS rate

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maybe it's my artifacts

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should i try getting -wind% dmg taken

fresh fog May 28, 2025, 6:31 PM

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because wind rift is the hardest and biggest dmg check of the rift beasts

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 6:31 PM

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i guess i need more dmg

fresh fog May 28, 2025, 6:32 PM

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also tend to have less fire monsters built

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 6:36 PM

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i'm going to try switching to fran lead first as i have enough spd without verde lead

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hopefully that fixes it :/

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but so far when troubleshooting it seems i always do great only when Bella heals the team before Phase 2, 2nd lightning roar

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These are my current stats, I can't auto SR5 as I fail too many times.

Thinking of working on something that can improve my wind rifts and also help out in other content - should I start building Balegyr? I can use the beginner event to get a Verde copy (I have the other fusion materials ready just need to level and awaken them). I also have Astar and Perna in my summons

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Astar seems useful in multiple content

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but Perna has ATT% leader skill which is useful for my wind rifts since i hit the spd requirements without Verde (L)

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any thoughts advisors?

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ah I don't have good vamp runes though as I have only been running giants.. so Astar will be hard to rune

sweet locust May 28, 2025, 8:01 PM

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I don't think baleygr is worth building anymore

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Wind is the hardest rift in my opinion to get consistent when you are starting. Some people will say it's light but I always found wind to be harder :)

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It will come with time. I'd just keep farming giants

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I never used baleygr in wind rift. Once you get higher quality runes rifts (as well as pretty much all pve content honestly) become very trivial

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I would just stick in giants. Again no time farming giants is wasted.

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 8:43 PM

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same for SR5? I just need more time in giants?

fresh fog May 28, 2025, 9:00 PM

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literally any problem in this game can be solved with more farming

vague nymph May 28, 2025, 9:09 PM

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what does this grey icon mean?

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for Ellunia and Khalderun lv5 bosses should we go straight boss or kill the minions first? Im playing it manually ofc

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 8:36 PM

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What teams should beginners use for the angelmon dungeons?

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 8:37 PM

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any, doesnt really matter

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theyre all easy dungeons

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 8:38 PM

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vague nymph what does this grey icon mean?

thats a khalderun thing, would read the boss skills

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 9:44 PM

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do stunned enemie have lower RES?

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?toa

woeful lightBOT May 29, 2025, 9:49 PM

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# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE

Additional commands
- Floor 100 bosses: (?toafemale and ?toamale )
- Other floors: (?arta ?akroma ?ragleo)
First ToaN (normal) clear will consists of the ?justdoit team
ToaN/H (normal/hard) will be a combination of Vero, Mav (wind penguin), Fran, 2aSpectra and Loren after ?justdoit
- Mellia will only be used on anti-crit stages for either loren or spectra
Monsters: - mentioned sets are just suggestions
- [Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc
  - See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements
- [Fran] - Violent-Swift/Any SPD/DEF/HP, Def Artifacts, 200 SPD
  - See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements
- [Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆, faster than mav, 45% acc
- [Loren] - Swift/Any, SPD/DEF/HP, HP/Def Artifacts, 45% acc, 200 SPD
- [Veromos, 2aSpectra, and Shannon] are runed as they are for ?gbah and 45% Acc

Additional Info

If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do. This is the time you learn what monsters do.
- Will start to be able to auto more floors as your monster runes improve otherwise manual the floors
Mellia is the only monster who doesnt need skill ups, the others see ?qstart and ?devilmon
- Used in Anti-Crit stages against Jultan/Kumae and Arta
Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages.
Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 combat speed) and everyone else moving before he does.

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 9:49 PM

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?toamale

woeful lightBOT May 29, 2025, 9:49 PM

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ToA Male Boss Guide

Team
Vero (L), 2aSpectra, Fran, Loren, Shannon/Mav
Use ?toa in #bot-commands for information on builds for the monsters in this team.
Boss Info
Male boss is much easier than the Female counterpart.
All you have to do is prevent the boss and right crystal from taking turns with ATB reduction while you kill the boss, Fran S1, Loren and Vero S2.
Only attack the boss with your damage dealers (Vero/2aSpectra) and loren, and redirect other basic attacks to the right crystal to prevent the boss from revenging a lot.
Ignore the left crystal. The Heal block from it isn't a threat since the boss shouldn't be taking a turn and Vero can just cleanse it anyway.

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 9:52 PM

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?toahell

woeful lightBOT May 29, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Use your ToA Hard team to clear ToAHell stage 1 for Summoners Way.
For other stages/F2P viable options for 30★, check the pinned guide posted monthly in #update-theorycrafting. (When its finished)
Make sure to read the FAQ post as well
Toa Hell FAQ by yak

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 9:58 PM

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What's the best team for mana cyrstal dungeon?

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for beginners

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i'm at Rifts now

fresh fog May 29, 2025, 10:04 PM

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use yr best estimate

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its nothing that serious

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:27 PM

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vague nymph do stunned enemie have lower RES?

no

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:35 PM

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when runing monsters for PvE, as some of them need to hit certain acc% requirements, is it usually better to have

multiple runes with only one roll of acc in each
one rune with multiple rolls in acc, so other runes can focus on other stats
doesnt matter

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:38 PM

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mostly 3 because runing monsters mean just putting 6 runes together that meet stats

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for example u can have 2 rolls in acc% in one runemeans other runes need 2 less rolls of it, or its part of an innate too

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same for anything else in stats

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:44 PM

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gotcha

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so i shouldn't be too quick to sell runes that roll twice into acc%

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:45 PM

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it just depends on the rune

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u should be keeping runes that are efficient

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:45 PM

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efficient = high rolls into multiple useful, relevant substats?

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btw, who should I use for 2a Shamaan's dungeon? fran loren kro + shaman keep dying

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:51 PM

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efficiency means higher rolls

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:51 PM

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vague nymph btw, who should I use for 2a Shamaan's dungeon? fran loren kro + shaman keep dyi...

does shamann has runes?

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:51 PM

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gloomy sedge does shamann has runes?

no he's empty

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:52 PM

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then yes thats why

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:54 PM

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how is Shamann runed for NBAH?

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is he a support or dd?

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:55 PM

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like astar

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0 spd full damage

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after ehp reqs

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:55 PM

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and 100% CR i presume

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:55 PM

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85%

vague nymph May 29, 2025, 10:55 PM

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ah ok

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thank u

gloomy sedge May 29, 2025, 10:56 PM

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since the boss is dark so elemental advantage

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 12:57 AM

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I just summoned MIhwa, should I replace someone for her? Also, should she go into my wind-rift team? I have Astar as well

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Q2 : Are these angelmon dungeons worth doing multiple times?

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:01 AM

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vague nymph Q2 : Are these angelmon dungeons worth doing multiple times?

no, u clear once and then u dont touch again

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:02 AM

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vague nymph I just summoned MIhwa, should I replace someone for her? Also, should she go int...

who? and i really dont like these team compositions

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:02 AM

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fresh fog who? and i really dont like these team compositions

im not sure maybe Raoq

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:02 AM

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for sr5

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:02 AM

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hmm could you suggest some alternatives?

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i can show you my box

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:02 AM

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i dont understand why u have fran and bella on teh same team

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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or why u have raviti with darion

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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idk i was following the beginner playthrough...

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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?sr5

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Solo Raid 5 (SR5)

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If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.

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vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:03 AM

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woeful light **__Solo Raid 5 (SR5)__** - **__First Solo Raid 5 Team:__** follow [infograph](...

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This was Jx9's party screenshot in the playthrough

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:04 AM

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fresh fog who? and i really dont like these team compositions

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:05 AM

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He had raviti with darion and also fran + bella

loud willow May 30, 2025, 1:05 AM

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not a guide

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:05 AM

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"not a guide"

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:05 AM

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what's optimal then? given my monsters

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:05 AM

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??????????????

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:06 AM

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but i have twins

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need 2 DD slots

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:06 AM

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ok so drop 2, so u can add in the twins

coarse lily May 30, 2025, 1:06 AM

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the team looks fine

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as always if its fails its your runes

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:07 AM

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im passing 29 out of 30 runs on average im not failing

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was just wondering if i should change to get faster times

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:08 AM

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29/30 is failing

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:08 AM

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:/

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so u guys dont recommend finding a way to slot mihwa in?

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thought she's great for sr5

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:08 AM

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who is mihwa

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:09 AM

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fire 9tail fox

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:09 AM

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is she listed as a monster to use?

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:09 AM

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not in the screenshot

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but as u like to say it's not a guide 😄

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:10 AM

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?sr5 is the guide

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:10 AM

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oh

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:10 AM

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which is what kepts being told to you

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:11 AM

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woeful light **__Solo Raid 5 (SR5)__** - **__First Solo Raid 5 Team:__** follow [infograph](...

well it literally also says "read the guide found in Beginner Playthrough" then i'm told that's not a guide xD

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so pardon me for being confused lol

fresh fog May 30, 2025, 1:11 AM

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specific sections

coarse lily May 30, 2025, 1:16 AM

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at your point you shouldn't be building random monsters to try to improve it

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it'll improve with better runes/grinds

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and if you want to add different monsters then wait until you build stuff for other purposes like pvp and then slot them in

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 1:17 AM

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i see, thank you!

sweet locust May 30, 2025, 10:38 AM

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Yeah just keep farming. Its better like I said to get high quality runes than to grind low quality ones.

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 5:52 PM

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should ido the rainbowmmon dungeon much?

coarse lily May 30, 2025, 6:25 PM

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no

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and i think you mean angelmon?

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rainbowmon is limited to one time

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you can do the angelmon once for the first clear rewards but don't farm them

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 6:46 PM

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no i mean Rainbow Garden B1

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it can be cleared repeatedly

coarse lily May 30, 2025, 7:12 PM

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vague nymph no i mean Rainbow Garden B1

can you screenshot it

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 7:13 PM

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coarse lily May 30, 2025, 7:14 PM

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are you sure it can be cleared repeatedly

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try it

vague nymph May 30, 2025, 7:16 PM

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oh it's locked lol

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sorry

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:08 AM

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Need some help with wind rift, this is my current team. I am killing the dragon but I'm not hitting 3.5m damage, who do I need to ugprade?

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 3:09 AM

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more damage on your damage dealers

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and i dont see astar recommended in wind rift

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:10 AM

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he's recommended after you're done with beginner guides

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which i'm close to

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so i thought might as well

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when i was using Kro instead i was dealing more damage on average but my entire team was dying

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 3:10 AM

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thats a rune issue, and switching monsters wont fix it

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:10 AM

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i see

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do I need to get more attack on Fran?

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to heal the party to full

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 3:11 AM

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more atk helps on fran since her heal scales with atk

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but dead monsters dont do damage or heal others, so you should not sacrifice her tankiness

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are your front line dying before your back line? or are your backline dying first?

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or all are dying equally

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:12 AM

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equally on the 2nd roar

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usually right here, if Bella doesn't heal everyone to full

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then my party dies or gets close to dying and barely kills it

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so all dependent on Bella's turn order

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 3:14 AM

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if your team with kro deals a lot more damage and die faster, its a tankiness issue

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:14 AM

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this is my team's HP usually when i'm about to kill dragon

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it's very very close to a team wipe

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here's another run

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here's yet another... it's always so close for comfort

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 3:16 AM

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wind rift is the hardest of rift beasts, so your rune quality needs to be slightly better than what you have for other rift beasts

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:16 AM

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it seems easier to just improve damage?

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vs improving every single monster's tankiness

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more ATT more CD

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 3:16 AM

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you need a balance of both

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you're not expected to nuke the boss in 1 turn

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 3:57 AM

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What's good to buy from the unlimited shop?

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 4:01 AM

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energy/scrolls/runes/crafting materials

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the prices will keep going up the more u purchase a specific item, so good to purchase a variety of everything

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except mana, unless you are mana deficient

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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how do i decide which rune i need?

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how i'm thinking about it is for example on slots 2/4/6 it's hard to find runes with relevant substats, so if say I had a blade slot2 ATK% rune and it only has 2 relevant substats, i want to improve that so i'll be crafting blade runes?

loud willow Jun 1, 2025, 5:03 AM

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yes, craft blade runes

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 8:17 AM

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Why doesnt 2a shamann have a cmb spd requirement? And astar?

gloomy sedge Jun 1, 2025, 8:34 AM

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they don't really need it since they'd get pulled with raoq/icaru to do dmg to waves. and the waves don't do much dmg on their own

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they do have to be tankier bc of the reflect damage

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 9:41 AM

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gloomy sedge they don't really need it since they'd get pulled with raoq/icaru to do dmg to w...

what about the boss stage?

gloomy sedge Jun 1, 2025, 9:43 AM

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the boss stage limits your speed

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so it doesnt matter that much

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shamann and astar will still move before the boss

vague nymph Jun 1, 2025, 9:43 AM

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ah i see! thanks

sweet locust Jun 1, 2025, 2:04 PM

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It seems like all of your issues come down to the same thing basically haha

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Keep farming

vague nymph Jun 3, 2025, 2:48 AM

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If I gem a stat say it's 7-11% ATK and I get 7% ATK

Then I grind it to make it 7% + 4% ATK

If I regem it, does the 4% stay or reset?

severe pollen Jun 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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it stays

vague nymph Jun 3, 2025, 2:49 AM

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thank u 🙂

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min gem max grind xD

vague nymph Jun 4, 2025, 7:53 AM

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Does S3 recovery arti work with Bella's heal (heal max hp%)

loud willow Jun 4, 2025, 7:57 AM

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have a look at#1091799234010943648

vague nymph Jun 4, 2025, 7:58 AM

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yeah I saw bella in the table just wanted to confirm

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so if the skill says 30% max HP and the arti increases recovery by 10%, is that 40% total or 33%?

loud willow Jun 4, 2025, 8:00 AM

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33%, its multiplicative, as stated in the guide under that specific section

vague nymph Jun 4, 2025, 8:10 AM

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thanks

vague nymph Jun 8, 2025, 2:11 AM

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If I pull 2 astars do i use one as skill up material?

coarse lily Jun 8, 2025, 2:13 AM

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yes

vague nymph Jun 9, 2025, 2:30 PM

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Need some help for HOH, using my Toa team but they just get bursted so hard by the wave

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(I get outsped and they all keep hitting at the start of the wave)

loud willow Jun 9, 2025, 3:02 PM

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HoH is very rune dependent

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if you want to clear up to 10F completely

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your stats must be much better than the stat requirements stated in ?toa

vague nymph Jun 9, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Generally, what are considered relevant substats for Will/Destroy/Guard/Vamp runes?

fresh fog Jun 9, 2025, 6:42 PM

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will is more of a jack of all trades rune set, a lot of things could use them

destory more for tanks, bruisers as you wont see pure dmg dealers using them

vamp is a weird set, mostly for dmg dealers and an offensive skogul (if thats still a thing even)

vague nymph Jun 11, 2025, 5:23 AM

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am i supposed to keep rolling until i get Spd6 CR6% ATK8%? or is this good enough

loud willow Jun 11, 2025, 5:40 AM

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the event doesnt end anytime soon

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this isnt the worst, but i would aim for hp%/def% in place of flat atk unless you're going to use it on a swift cleave

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you get 10 free rolls everyday, try to make use of it, could get you a combination and roll value better than your current one

vague nymph Jun 11, 2025, 6:03 AM

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thank u

vague nymph Jun 22, 2025, 9:38 PM

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Which gems/grinds should I sell once i run out of slots?

coarse lily Jun 22, 2025, 9:50 PM

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you ran out of grind/gem inventory?

vague nymph Jun 23, 2025, 5:58 PM

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yes sir i did

coarse lily Jun 23, 2025, 6:43 PM

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use them instead of selling them

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the expectation is that any and all runes you are using should have all the gems and grinds on them possible

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this doesn't mean max grind them to +7 or +10 or whatever, just that you start with at least something on everything

vague nymph Jun 25, 2025, 5:21 PM

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Got ya. What happens after I do that and then eventually I run out of slots again?

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I guess re grind to max stat?

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Is it worth buying Eirgar multiple times in Ancient Coin shop to skill up? Or better to buy reapps

formal tiger Jun 25, 2025, 5:26 PM

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vague nymph Is it worth buying Eirgar multiple times in Ancient Coin shop to skill up? Or be...

No, you can skill him up with regular vampires

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There are runes where you want to regrind chasing higher grind values, and there are runes where you just want any grind for some extra stats. In general your pve runes are fine with just whatever grind, your higher value PvP runes you will want to chase high grind rolls

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