Beginner Help Thread

[vague nymph]

Starting with this floor on toah.... they keep healing and getting invincibility and the round just lasts forever

[loud willow]

mellia is only used for anti crit stages and this isnt 1 of them

switch back to loren

prevent the enemy from moving as much as possible

reduce atb, stun

[vague nymph]

ok i will try thanks!

Mav's stun rate seems so low sadly

[loud willow]

use loren's s2 to strip invincibility/immunity when its up

[vague nymph]

you sir are awesome

[vague nymph]

help, they 1 shot my vero and my mav... 2nd try now still getting rekt

is my Fran's fairy blessing screwing me? As it makes me invincible to stun

[loud willow]

prevent them from moving as much as possible

im not sure about whether your monsters should be getting 1 shot, show monsters' stats

?statshare

[woeful light]

When sharing monster stats, take a screenshot from the monster storage building rather than the monster menu. This lets you show stats, rune sets, and skillups all in 1 image.
https://imgur.com/bmhiJGs

[vague nymph]

Update: I replayed it and consciously did not use Fairy Blessing , and won

[gloomy sedge]

just keep in mind veromos does not scale off damage atk very well as he is not a damage dealer

those sets actually don't look bad for your attempt, but u can still definitely optimize more

give mav and fran less cr

use gems to switch these stats if you have

[hybrid barn]

By damage you mean ATK.

[gloomy sedge]

oops, yes

havent had my coffee yet

[hybrid barn]

That seems important to specify since we do want Vero on CR and CD

[formal tiger]

Slow mav down so he moves behind you whole tesm

Finish leveling Mav up

100 cr on vero and spectra will help. Can drop attack and a little speed to get there

Give vero any defense at all please. Def arti, runes with a def% line, anything. Defense is a big part of damage reduction in this game

But like alright said, these builds are on the right track and way better than we usually see at your stage. Good job

[vague nymph]

im stuck here now but i will try what sokkermax said and try again

[loud willow]

?akroma

[woeful light]

#Akroma Stage Guide

• Team:
• Use the ?toa team + shannon.
• Tips
• Kill the Zaiross/Chloe.
• Use Fran's heals to keep Vero alive.
• Shannon's defense buff helps mitigate a lot of the akroma's damage.
• Mav's skill 3 should be used to maximize the uptime on both of Fran's heals.

[gloomy sedge]

this part you basically have to make veromos much tankier

you basically need to give him more def, since your veromos is lacking quite a bit

but it's easy because akromos are funneled into veromos so you just have to keep him topped off

[vague nymph]

should i stick to the current set of 1 energy and 2 blade?

i've swithced both artifacts from HP to DEF for vero

flat DEf or %DEF in runes?

[hybrid barn]

Stats > sets.

[vague nymph]

ideally both ofc but if i had to pick?

[hybrid barn]

Put runes on Vero that get him to the stats he needs. Sets help you get to those stats, but if he has 0 sets and has the stats that's better.

[gloomy sedge]

hp/def arent that much different in terms of ehp/survivability, you still want both

a def% with spd/cr/hp subs is basically same thing as a hp% with def/spd/cr subs

[vague nymph]

may i ask why is cr so important when vero is a tank?

[vague nymph]

got ya

[gloomy sedge]

look at his S2

[gloomy sedge]

just keep in mind that this situation only applies in cases where you're assuming you're not getting def broken, because def break otherwise basically drops your def to zero

[vague nymph]

crits affect MAX HP skills?

[gloomy sedge]

yes

[vague nymph]

ic

[gloomy sedge]

think about it

veromos does 10% max hp damage, you give him 100% cr so with 100% cd he's already doing 20% max hp damage

(this is just an example)

[vague nymph]

how about this for a start? i swithced out the artifacts for DEF runes as well

[gloomy sedge]

it's ok, but i would go back farm more runes

[vague nymph]

what about accuracy people are saying i need 45% but im only 40%

[gloomy sedge]

45% is for toah, so yes u want that much

[vague nymph]

i managed to get this now

im not sure i can do better

[brisk barn]

141258 ehp. Deffbroken: 63781 ehp.

[gloomy sedge]

that looks good

definitely would use this

[vague nymph]

gonna try this again

[vague nymph]

no luck, i cant reduce the ATB of the Akromas and they just keep killing vero

[gloomy sedge]

kill zaiross first

[vague nymph]

i was trying to

[hybrid barn]

If you aren't sure you can do better than this, then you need to farm more runes. Vero on 100 CR will help kill Zaiross and also help you kill the Akromas faster. Spectra also needs 100 CR for the extra damage. You haven't shared your runes for Shannon, but I suspect she is probably slower than Mav. You need Mav to reset Shannon so that she can give Veromos Def buff more often.

This stage acts as a pseudo-rune check. If your runes are bad and your monsters are not built correctly, this stage proves difficult.

[vague nymph]

Gotcha i'm probably hardstuck here until i get more runes then.. GBAH it is!!

[vague nymph]

At this stage is it advisable to farm gems to swap out some stats?

[loud willow]

as long as you are able to farm rift beasts with a rating of SSS consistently, yes (at least 90%)

[vague nymph]

it's a hard no then my highest rating was a C

lol

but i feel so hard stuck at this level of toah xd

should i use this to try and help progress?

[severe pollen]

sure, you can take violent, swift, will each twice

and then whatever you need most after

if you play enough you will be able to clear out the entire shop, so buy whatever you feel helps you the most first

[vague nymph]

thank u , im gonna try akroma again

my strategy is to keep zaiross permanently stunned as i can't lower akroma's ATB anyway, and keep attacking akroma while using shannon's def buff and fran's heal as much as possible

then pray

lol

was doing ok until here i think im screwed cuz of the silence

Update : GG

[coarse lily]

try using something else besides spectra

any other support you have, bella, kona, whatever

[vague nymph]

i dont have any of that sadly

[coarse lily]

? those are farmable nat 2/nat 3 mons

you will need them soon anyway

[vague nymph]

oh wait i have bella

same runeset as previous used?

[coarse lily]

bella is a support. try to use what you learned and rune him correctly

[vague nymph]

vio/will i guess

i probably have too much CR on her

and not enough accuracy

im guessing rerune that

didnt work

[coarse lily]

how are you playing this out you're doing something wrong

save a video of that last stage

[vague nymph]

okay will do

[vague nymph]

basically this though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV5KTzKXP1Y&ab_channel=nigielee

vero died SO FAST 😭

[severe pollen]

why does your mav not move last

also, you used some skills you should have saved to heal veromos

this stage is about saving your heals to keep veromos alive

[vague nymph]

right now mav is only faster than vero

everyone else is faster than mav

if i play it perfectly do u think i can clear this stage with this lineup?

[severe pollen]

team is fine, might need better runes

[vague nymph]

mainly make vero more tanky?

[severe pollen]

you should time your mav s3 to get your heals on fran back too

you used it a turn too early

[vague nymph]

ic

only use mav s3 when both fran heals are on cd?

fran s2 and s3

im wondering if it's even worth it to keep trying i've lost so much energy :/ maybe step away and farm runes for a bit

i was trying to rush as to resets in 8h

thought i could do floor90 at least

[severe pollen]

I cant play out the exact scenario in my head, you can go in again and ask while doing the stage when you are not sure

?akroma

[woeful light]

#Akroma Stage Guide

• Team:
• Use the ?toa team + shannon.
• Tips
• Kill the Zaiross/Chloe.
• Use Fran's heals to keep Vero alive.
• Shannon's defense buff helps mitigate a lot of the akroma's damage.
• Mav's skill 3 should be used to maximize the uptime on both of Fran's heals.

[severe pollen]

last 3 lines are important

[vague nymph]

i'll try one more time if not i'll work on runes xd

[severe pollen]

that wasnt true, you should have one turn without def buff

thats when vero is gonna get hit hard

you need to have burst healing ready

use mavs provokes on zaiross to prevent him from using s3/2

[vague nymph]

ah i missed this out earlier

sorry i know it's a big ask but do u think i could stream it for u to watch? im on 2/3 now

or if anyone is willing to help out

[severe pollen]

sure

[vague nymph]

i PM-d you

[coarse lily]

you can improve veros tankiness to make it easier but this is easily fixable even without

get vero to move before shannon

and then make mav move last

right now with vero moving right after shannon buffs you're basically wasting a turn of def buff

also you messed up letting zaiross get a turn, you had a chance to provoke him with mav but you used s1 instead

mav s1 on fire can glance, mav s2 cannot

vero shouldn't be getting hit without def buff

[vague nymph]

we did it!!

@severe pollen the GOAT

[severe pollen]

even tho you just finished it, make the changes jx mentioned

they would have made it easier

[vague nymph]

ah i see

those changes will be useful for rest of toah as well right?

[severe pollen]

yes

[vague nymph]

got u i'll do that

hope i can get to 90 at least for the reward before reseet lmaoo

[severe pollen]

good luck, if you have a problem with a stage, post here

[fresh fog]

this is not a team 2 bella, it is lacking acc

[vague nymph]

I read that shannon should move before vero for GBAH, will I need to keep swapping runes then? :/

[coarse lily]

shannon should be taken off your gbah team soon

and also it doesn't matter that much for gbah

[vague nymph]

gotcha

i'll try to speed up vero a bit then

seems bit impossible at the moment given my runes is it ok to lower the speed of mav and shannon instead?

[coarse lily]

tbh shannon is just a very temporary monster

this is probably the only stage where it makes any difference

on next month's clear assuming you keep progressing

you wouldn't use shannon at all

[vague nymph]

ah i see! thank you

[vague nymph]

Any thoughts on using different element angelmons to level mons that i need to progress?

hi friends what is the strategy for this stage?

[gloomy sedge]

cc as usual

kill jamire

[vague nymph]

not craka first? they have a revive

?jamire

[fresh fog]

how craka going to revive when the stage ends when jamire dies

[vague nymph]

...

sorry

LOL

what's CC priority like?

[fresh fog]

zaiross resets, so

[vague nymph]

resets meaning?

[fresh fog]

a skill being active to a skill being on cooldown

[vague nymph]

ah

thank u guys! managed to beat stage 90

i don't think i can progress to stage 100 before toa resets in 7h so im gonna go ahead and start building units for SF10 is that ok?

is that optimal*?

[fresh fog]

make sure yr monsters meet at least the min reqs for team 2 and team 3 of ?gbah and that yr ?toa monsters are as well, then can move to ?sfah

[vague nymph]

alright so more rune farming then

i've been spending almost 3 full days just running GBAH and still haven't met the requirements, is that normal?

or am i doing something wrong

[fresh fog]

3 days of farming can be a lot or very little depending on rng and/or how many runs are done

[hybrid barn]

Improving your runes takes time. You may have already read #1278187593594572841 but I'd recommend looking at it one more time and then looking at the resources it provides at the end.

Depending on how often you're farming, it can be quite a while, but it's also possible you're throwing out very useable runes that can be significant upgrades without knowing. For example, you might be throwing out all runes that don't have any speed, and that's just not a good idea because plenty of runes can be really good for PvE but not have any speed on them.

[vague nymph]

Hi advisers, I've looked through the ?toa, ?riftstas, and ?gbah requirements for these current monsters that I had and created a sheet comparing the required stats with my current stats. Do you guys think with my current stats I can clear toah and start to farm SF10? If not, what are the big/main changes I have to make? Or rather, which are the more important monsters that I definitely MUST hit the requirement stats before I can begin to progress?

[vague nymph]

Edited Vero's runes to make him fit perfectly... at least i got one monster down now

I dont really know which runes to try and upgrade and which to sell too

[formal tiger]

Go look over the introduction to runes that jayke linked again, and there are some further rune resources linked from that one. Then come back and apply what you’ve learned. If you have specific questions about how to apply specific things from the guides, that’s the best way to learn and get useful feedback here

[hardy echo]

Did you reach level 90 hard before reset ?
You can definitely clear toah, last month was harder than this month

Depending on the floor, I also used Tyron a lot in toah instead of mav to prevent enemies from attacking.

Loren (L), Fran, Lingling, 2a Raoq, 2a Kro.

Anyway, This content is RNG and if your ling ling dosn't do it's job it's going to be hard. T

Accuracy and speed are absolutely required to be followed in all content, they are the best stats in the game. then you have ehp and damage, if you die it either you don't have enough hp/def or you don't kill them fast enough.
You can save your currents rune sets in one of the rune settings, try different sets, and then revert all changes if it's bad. Carefull of the mana cost of such a thing if you don't have the "free rune removal" buff.

Btw, do you include tour tower/guild buff for your stats on your sheet ?
Just remember that all your monsters have 15% more base speed if your tower is maxed (depends of account level, you unlock it at some point) (loren has 102 speed, so it's 102*1.15 + runes).
It will matter on later content as most guides say for exemple "Loren needs 239 speed" but usually don't say "tower included".

(if you enable the option to show speed in the team selection screen it's included)

[hardy echo]

About your gbah farming : There is never too much farming of giant

Belladeon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > Wind Homie > 2aKro
This was my favorite team for gb, i'm a galleon hater now.

As my runs got faster, i took less hit too.
More atk on fran and artefacts that increase healing on your healers are great too.

Upgrade the runes that have usefull stats to +6 (at least 2 of : crit, speed, accuracy, stats like %hp,%atk,%def) see where it lands, then upgrade them to 12 if it's good.

[hardy echo]

It's less effective, so the teacher answer is : No no.
But as a player, i do it all the time.

Also quick accuracy memento : Your monsters accuracy reduces the enemy resistances, making them less likely to resist your negative effects. But you cannot lower resistances bellow 15%, no matter what, there is a chance for them to resist. (more accu dosn't mean anything if you are above required stats for said content).
giant has 50 res, so 35% accu is enough, it's a common mistake ?acc

[fresh fog]

we follow #guides in this channel, that means any team recommendation outside of that, stay outside of here ( #off-meta-fun )

zinc is not needed and is a worse buff blocker then lingling is

[vague nymph]

Hey Ombe, thanks so much for your detailed response.

I did clear toah 90 before reset yes. The team used for SF10 is Loren (L), Fran, Lingling, 2a Raoq, 2a Kro.

I did not realise that I had to add tower speed as well. I will have to update my sheet but this is a positive thing as it means my monsters are faster than I thought previously.

How do I know (after upgrading a rune to +6) that it's worth upgrading further? For example, if I had a purple rune with 2 useful stats - x and y. Should I only keep if it upgrades (x,x) (x,y) or (y,y)?

I can't find the more healing on skill artifact sub property. Is it [S3] Recovery +4%?

I also read that %stat is always better than flat stat, is this true also for DEF? I read that flat DEF is pretty good especially for PvE, to get the required EHP.

Thank you for the note on accuracy! Is there any command where I can check the resistances for GBAH, TOAH, etc?

[hardy echo]

Sure, removed it from my comment.
Also, he already followed the begginer guide, he needs additional answers on it
which is why i only used the teams from the guide in my advice tho ?

[fresh fog]

nice to see the effort put in, but missing a few things on this

• yr toa monsters should all be marked "low CR" except for vero and spectra*
• a few grinds or summoner skill upgrade can put some monsters closer/over their min req's
• kro is marked with acc when its better to meet all his other stats first and even then its not really needed
• while fran and mav want that much def for riftbeasts, they dont need it before (though u should be close)
• make sure you included summoner skills into your calcs if u havent

just a few things i noticed

[hardy echo]

Accuracy command : ?acc
yes it's [S3] Recovery :)

[fresh fog]

sfah, sf10 is not an acceptable floor to farm

does a rune have the potential to be the same or better than a rune that you already have thats not used

x recovery is a right side artifact (pcah)

flat def is usually going to be less valuable then def% but that doesnt make it a "bad" stat, when its a substat

[vague nymph]

Noted on Kro. Are summoner skills reflected in this UI?

[loud willow]

no

[hardy echo]

Nope

[loud willow]

have to manually calculate it based on the base stats

[vague nymph]

Ah so I have to do like HP = 10215 * (1 + summoner skill level) + 16322

[vague nymph]

*1.08etc

im at 8% HP

[hardy echo]

If you need really precise data yes

[fresh fog]

would be the way yes

[vague nymph]

Also quick question, you mention grinds - at my current level what is a good source of grinds I can farm? I'm not very strong yet

[fresh fog]

no where

but u do get grinds from lab, world boss and other sources like event rewards (dont confuse with when u can pick specific ones ?runechoice )

[vague nymph]

I've not been playing world boss at all as I've been using the energy for GBAH instead. Should I run some world bosses and with what teams?

[fresh fog]

yes

[vague nymph]

With what team though?

Also, I randomly get defeated even though some of my runs are really quick like even sub 2 minute. Is Kro the problem? Does he need more EHP?

[severe pollen]

auto select them

[severe pollen]

watch the run and see what happens

[vague nymph]

can i watch specific runs? o.O

[hardy echo]

No replay but in real time ;)

[vague nymph]

when I watch it it's always winning xD only when im away then defeated

[fresh fog]

thats how the world works

[vague nymph]

For toa, how low is low CR? Is 25% acceptable as low?

Assuming all other requirements met

Obviously I'll push for as low as possible but what is the maximum acceptable CR?

[fresh fog]

15% is the best, so try to get the lowest u can

[vague nymph]

the best as in don't go above 15%?

so 15% and below

[fresh fog]

15 is the lowest u can possibly go

[vague nymph]

oh

what's the maximum acceptable though that's my question

[fresh fog]

would aim for no more than 20%

[vague nymph]

gotcha thanks

These 5 I'm using for GBAH team 3, would u guys say they are "finalised" for GBAH and i can move on to the next team? I'm having a problem with making Kro tankier though.... he's already on Slot6 HP% and yet I can't hit 120k EHP

[fresh fog]

drop kro's acc completely

the fact u cant reach his ehp req while also having 2 hp artifacts and a slot 2/6, while also be that slow still just means focus on farming more for now

also dont forget about def as well

[brisk barn]

106256 ehp. Deffbroken: 50151 ehp.

[vague nymph]

Kro is quite slow, should I change slot 2 to a speed rune? He will have no damage though......

updated

[fresh fog]

no if u'd do that, you'd then lose out on that extra att% you get from it being the main stat

kro only needs +44 spd to reach 169 cmb spd with maxed summoner skill

[vague nymph]

what do u guys think of this? Cr is basically 100% and EHP is basically 120k

[gloomy sedge]

if this is as best as u can then its fine for now. later on when u get upgrades u can inprove it and optimize

its hard to give kro the needed stats while getting the speed, sr5 grinds makes that a lot easier

[hybrid barn]

"Basically 100 cr" is not 100 cr. You need 100 cr for consistency.

If it's the best you can do for now that's fine but don't think it's okay not to have 100 CR ever.

[vague nymph]

Is turn order determined by speed with or speed without summoner skills?

[loud willow]

determined by combat speed

[gloomy sedge]

wouldnt make much sense ito have a speed skill if it didnt factor into it

[vague nymph]

35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole

You still will get consistent runs, but they won't be as fast as they could be if you had a Ling Ling dedicated to SF10. Whatever you do, make sure she has 25% acc to land her debuffs, and at least 125k eHP (approximately +15k HP and +500 def with low towers).

Question: Does Ling Ling need 25% or 35% acc for SFAH?

[fresh fog]

35

[vague nymph]

Can someone show me a Kro or a Ling ling with ATT/CD/ATT, 35% acc, 100% CR, cmb spd 169 and EHP of 120k for Kro and 135k hp for Ling Ling? Need an example to get ideas on how to rune them

[fresh fog]

where does it say kro needs 35% acc?

[vague nymph]

35% - GBAH

[fresh fog]

where in ?gbah does it say kro needs 35% acc?

[vague nymph]

?acc

[woeful light]

Accuracy Benchmarks

0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer

for detailed information type ?accuracy in #bot-commands or read https://redd.it/4hw8da

[fresh fog]

thats not ?gbah

that is just stating the acc req's if needed

so lets look at kro's req's

[brisk barn]

Kro (2A) (Dark Inugami)

Wikia

Base

HP: 9555 — DEF: 626
ATK: 769 — SPD: 108
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 0 — RES: 15

Info

Type: Attack
Stars: 6
Devils: 6
Farmable: SD

Awaken

From: Kro

provided by SWARFARM

[fresh fog]

he has the same basic req's for team 2 in ?gbah and ?sfah: 2aKro: ATT/CD/ATT, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd, 100k+ ehp

so what does that look like

+44 spd from runes and max speed summoner skill = 169 cmb spd

needs 85% CR from 6 runes or 14.2 CR per rune (little over 1 max roll into CR per rune)

and then that leaves ehp from runes, which is a combination of hp and def

[vague nymph]

yup got u

should i filter all my runes by CR and speed and start upgrading then?

[fresh fog]

we get 1.8k hp from slot 5 main stat and 160 flat def from a slot 3 rune (both at +15)

then that leaves 3k hp from artifacts

so even before you start worrying about hp/def

u have
+4.8k hp

• 160 def

so lets say u double the base hp and def of kro

[brisk barn]

92800 ehp. Deffbroken: 43800 ehp.

[fresh fog]

so with +10.5k hp and +370 def, u have just about 93k ehp

[fresh fog]

of which, u have before

that leaves 6k hp and 200 def that you'd be missing

or about 60% hp from runes and 30% def

so we come back to numbers on each rune

44 spd/6 runes = 7.3 spd
85% CR/6 runes = 14.2
60% hp/6 runes = 10%
30% def/5 runes = 6% (cant have def on slot 1)

which leaves you with a very poorly rolled purple rune quality to make this happen and doesnt include stat sets that you could/might use

[fresh fog]

so which 2 stats stick out to you from the numbers above?

could even narrow it further to just 1

CR

as it needs 1 or 2 solid rolls into it to reach that 14-15% number per rune

people stay runing a monster is hard but its not

its just simply using numbers to get the totals that are needed

6 runes have to equal the numbers you need

[vague nymph]

hmm makes sense

93k EHP isn't nearly enough though the guide says i need 120k

which forces me to use energy sets

[fresh fog]

your focusing on the wrong thing

[vague nymph]

actually i got lost a bit here, where did these numbers come from 10.5 and 370?

[fresh fog]

kro's base is 9.5k hp, used 20k hp in the ehp command, 20k-9.5k = 10.5k

[vague nymph]

oh u just used 20k hp and 1k def as a benchmark

ok i got u

yup sorry go on

[fresh fog]

so we go onto finding runes

slot 2 4 6 are the slots that need to be found first, as their main stats are not fixed, like slot 1/3/5 are

[vague nymph]

yup

[fresh fog]

so u want to find those first as they will probably have the lowest quality to them for the stats you need (they may be missing 1 or more stats from here)

from there u make up for those missing stats from yr slots 1/3/5 to compensate for the stats that my be missing from 2/4/6

completing rune sets can give you bonuses from that set, if it also helps toward the stats needed from substats already

from there its just finding the 6 runes to reach the stats u need

[vague nymph]

so to start with i should filter all runes types in slot 2 for ATT and try to find something that has at least 3 of these 4 stats

then upgrade it to 6

[fresh fog]

u should already be powering up yr runes to +3/+6../+12 to see if your keeping or selling them

[vague nymph]

i've rarely been selling at all as i think almost every rune could kinda be useful :/

[vague warren]

Why does it say that astar and shamann do not need to be 169 speed for nbah ?

[vague nymph]

would you say this rune is pretty good then

SPD -1.2
CR +1.8
HP -10
DEF +1

i'll just make sure i have 1 energy set at least..

[vague warren]

it's okay for a slot 2

if you have nothing else

[fresh fog]

only missing hp, which could then be made up on another rune, so yes this could work

[vague nymph]

i got a question though, each rune only has 4 substats, and we need 4 stats (HP%, DEF%, CR, Spd)

[gloomy sedge]

this is a good pve rune

[vague nymph]

doesn't that mean every rune has to be "perfect" as in it must have 4 lines

[gloomy sedge]

a classic example of why blue runes are very useable

[vague nymph]

as you're guaranteed to upgrade the stats u want?

[fresh fog]

to a degree

remember the more times a rune rolls (powers up) into a stat that exceeds what u need, makes it easier for the next rune as the stats needed for that one can be lower

[fresh fog]

a blue rune you have a 50/50 chance of rolling into the substat u want it to twice

so say u have a slot 6 att% blue rune with spd and CR as the 2 substats

if it rolls twice into CR for 15%, well thats a win because now you have a slot 6 att% with good CR and spd, so u typically just need hp% or def% to roll at +9 or +12 to be a pretty decent filler rune

or

if it goes 1 roll into CR (10%) and 1 roll into spd (10), u still have a very nice filler rune that has both spd and CR and again just need to hit hp% or def% at +9 or +12

or

if it rolls 2 times into spd (15), u now have a slot 6 att% with 2 rolls into spd, a CR substat and then again just need hp% or def% to roll at +9 or +12

[vague nymph]

if it was a purple rune instead e.g. it has CR, Spd, Acc. I roll +6 and it goes into Spd and Acc do I just sell it immediately then? o.O

[fresh fog]

do u know any dd's that want a slot 6 att% with spd CR and acc?

these stats sound quite familiar to ones needed for someone

[vague nymph]

not sure what a dd is

[fresh fog]

damage dealer

[vague nymph]

hm i goess all tha toah guys

the*

[fresh fog]

no

look at the stats of ?sfah, who fits those stats

[vague nymph]

Lingling Raoq Kro

[fresh fog]

kro isnt on that list

we just went over this at the start

[vague nymph]

he is though...

oh u meant he doesn't need accuracy

ok yeah just lingling and raoq then

i found it!!!

the blue rune with CR and spd

ah i rolled resistance and CD :/

so i ended up here and noticed i dont have HP

what should i be thinking about next?

[fresh fog]

this for kro?

[vague nymph]

ye

[fresh fog]

would be looking at more hp and def

can drop 6 spd and 26 more acc

yr at +7679 hp (can still get more from yr slot 5 main stat) and yr at +231 def which would go up more with yr slot 3 main stat

[formal tiger]

You also still have another substat in that slot 5

[vague nymph]

ok im here now

im trying to swap this rune out as accuracy is useless, but it's the only semi-decent energy rune I have and I kidna need the set effect 😐

[fresh fog]

but u dont have any other energy runes

and yes, would say that that rune is lacking a little with that acc sub

[fresh fog]

26 spd to much, can drop 20 CD, and 20 acc for more hp and little more def

[vague nymph]

is this worth it? i lose a ton of CD

[fresh fog]

what main stat is that slot 4?

cuz if its anything other than a slot 4 CD, no

[vague nymph]

it's a CD on my before rune

DEF on after

[fresh fog]

thats not going to work

[vague nymph]

ok im here now

my EHP is crap too it's like 96k

LOL

i need 120k xD

[fresh fog]

well we've already been over that yr slot 5 is really weak

[vague nymph]

it has 3 of the 4 required stats though?

44 spd/6 runes = 7.3 spd
85% CR/6 runes = 14.2
60% hp/6 runes = 10%
30% def/5 runes = 6%

[fresh fog]

ahh ok, u changed it, good

[fresh fog]

now u can drop 18 spd, 20 CD for more hp/def

can even drop a little att if needed to get that hp and def from substats

[vague nymph]

managed to drop some speed for a bit of HP

so i think i need to drop more acc for CR now

am i starting to think boaut it correctly

[fresh fog]

yes and can still drop some CD as well

[vague nymph]

how much CD can i drop

[formal tiger]

See if you can complete an energy set somewhere potentially

[fresh fog]

base + a +15 6star CD rune is 130 CD

[formal tiger]

Using 6 broken runes means you are not allocating runes very efficiently

[vague nymph]

ok so i'll change my filters to energy runes only now

how should i think about it then now

find similar stats to what i already have?

[fresh fog]

improve yr weaker runes yr using

or using a similar rune to complete a set

[vague nymph]

ok i've completed an energy set and got my CR to 100% too

got a bit more def too, at 105k EHP now

i got 250 fatal runes that i've not even looked at yet as i'm still in PVE phase... i need those rune slots :/

what I can think of is I need to start looking at only blade runes...?

then i can drop CR and get more HP/dEF

[fresh fog]

how high are your hp and def summoner skill?

[vague nymph]

15% each now

im summoner lv48 though so im very close to getting them to 20% each

[fresh fog]

so add 1300 hp and 90 def to yr ehp numbers

[vague nymph]

isn't it only 5% more base stat?

[vague nymph]

so like 500HP and 30DEF?

[fresh fog]

or if yr at 20%, u can add 1800 and 120

they go off % a monsters base stats

[vague nymph]

oh

yeah i get what u mean i've done that already

[brisk barn]

108889 ehp. Deffbroken: 50007 ehp.

[fresh fog]

ahh ok

so basically now, its trying to increase the quality of the runes on him with increase hp and some def

so like you said completing another set, to free up more room for more hp, for example

[vague nymph]

I looked through my Blade runes, I don't have enough speed on any of them

seems impossible at the moment

[fresh fog]

oh stupid me

kro only needs 100k ehp

[vague nymph]

oh really o.O

?riftstats

sorry wrong one

[fresh fog]

?sfah

[woeful light]

Steel Fortress Abyss (Hard)

• Teams and Turn Order:

  1. Loren > Fran (L) > Ling ling > 2aRaoq > 2aKro (2:00-1:30)
  2. Ling ling > Loren > Fran (L) > 2aRaoq > 2aKro (1:00-1:30)

• After PVE Teams
  3. Ling ling > Lushen (L) > Loren > Fran > Brandia/2aKro (45-50 seconds)

• Requirements:

  • Ling ling: ATT/CD/ATT, 135k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
  • Fran: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd
  • Loren: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 239+ cmb spd, 45% acc
  • 2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
  • 2aKro/Brandia: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd
  • Lushen: ATT/CD/ATT, 241 cmb spd, 100% CR, Must 1 shot waves without attack buff

• Other Info:

  • Monsters with same cmb spd requirements, see turn order above
  • Artifacts used depends on what the monster needs, EHP (hp/def) or DMG (att)
  • Difference between team 1 and 2, depends if one is using lingling in riftbeasts/sr5
  • Lingling needs 240+cmb spd for team 2 and can be built more bruiser-ish (slot 4 CR and/or slot 6 HP%)

[vague nymph]

jesus i swear i saw 120k

i feel dumb now

maybe that was spectra

[fresh fog]

vero and spectra do for gbah, ya

[vague nymph]

does kro not need 120k EHP for anything at all?

that means my kro is done 😄

thank u ❤️

(I sweaar KRo still randomly dies in GBAH)

[fresh fog]

he might, yes

[vague nymph]

This is my GBAH lineup now, every requirement is met now just need summoner speed for Kro

[fresh fog]

especially while his dmg is still lower

yep and that just comes once u max yr spd skill

with repetition, this becomes easier and quicker to do (runing monsters)

then also helps you understand what runes to keep

[vague nymph]

i'm still a bit confused over this

as i always feel like the rune can be used somehow by someone

but seirously thank you so much i've been stuck on this team forever lol

[fresh fog]

its a learning experience

the more times u do it, and the more unique monsters you rune, help you understand what runes are good and what are "bad"

[vague nymph]

some requirements seem so insane though

for example for ?riftstats I saw the Mav and Fran requirements

they say u need +15k HP and +1.5k DEF

if you calculate that using base stats + summoner stats that's like 200k EHP

then u still need 45% acc as it's toah

and 180 spd

seems so impossible lol

[fresh fog]

but think about it mathicmatically

[vague nymph]

not to mention the runeset limtitation like Fran needs Vio set, which beginners like me dont have many of

as i can't farm DBAH yet

[fresh fog]

hp, def, spd, acc are the only stats u need, so its about quality of the stat s u have on a rune

fran WANTS vio

doesnt mean she needs it

as well as she gets first pick of those "vio runes" if u have them

u have vio runes from summoners way, from rewards from bosses (random free runes) and from pick rune events (as well as lab)

[fresh fog]

and u benefit from a slot 2 spd with them as well, which is 1/2 this req

[vague nymph]

yeah this should be all vio right?

[fresh fog]

yes

?runechoice

[woeful light]

No matter where you are in the game, choose Violent anytime you get to pick the set for a rune event reward. Anytime you get to pick an artifact, pick Attack type.

[vague nymph]

should i be looking out for grinds/reappraisals at my stage? or not yet

if im close to a requirement

[fresh fog]

to use them?

to a degree

covered some in #1278187593594572841

[vague nymph]

is it worth it to lose some ATT on Loren? If I get to lower her CR even further

She doesn't really do damage anyways?

[fresh fog]

att is not a stat that loren needs

[vague nymph]

yeah just speed right?

needs to be as fast as possible

[fresh fog]

spd hp def acc

enough spd to reach min and be tuned
enough acc for the area's she's used
enough ehp to meet/exceed req's

[vague nymph]

gotcha thhanks a bunch gonna try and rune all my shit to meeh toah requirements so i can start runing lingling and roaq

Does Fran need acc?

i don't see any requirements on it

[fresh fog]

rather have more att, but not 0

[vague nymph]

is 26% accuracy ok?

[fresh fog]

ya

[vague nymph]

What about Mellia? Does she need acc?

in ?toa it doesn't mention any acc requirement

but in the beginner guide it says everyone needs 45% except Fran

[fresh fog]

at the bottom of ?toa

[vague nymph]

Mellia is the only monster who doesnt need skill ups, the others see ?qstart and ?devilmon
Used in Anti-Crit stages against Jultan/Kumae and Arta

doesnt say anything about acc

[fresh fog]

hmm seeems i removed that part the last time i was working on it

yes she wants 45% acc

[vague nymph]

Gotcha

is it safe to sell all flat stat 2/4/6 runes? i know in the guide it says there are usable ones (those that have godly speed rolls) but at my stage can i just sell them all?

or sell all flat stat2/4/6 that dont have a spd substat

[fresh fog]

?runestats

[woeful light]

https://imgur.com/XQALng3

[fresh fog]

white text

[vague nymph]

Speed is 4-6 for 6*

so technically any 6* rune that has a speed substat can hit 20

[fresh fog]

blue runes can only get to 18

6-6-6

[vague nymph]

oh right forgot about that

any other good rules of thumb for bulk selling?

[fresh fog]

all 4 star and below runes can be auto-sold

about it

[vague nymph]

yup got that

i can't buy another violent set til tomorrow?

[fresh fog]

swift, will, + 2

[vague nymph]

sorry what's that mean?

[fresh fog]

for the other 4 sets you can get

oh thought u were asking what the other 4 sets you'd get

[vague nymph]

oh i can't buy 10 sets of violent runes?

[fresh fog]

no u cant

[vague nymph]

Need help getting Lingling to 135k EHP, currently at 117k (will be 121k after summoner level up)

I can't drop acc as the runes that have acc also have 3 other useful substats

[fresh fog]

she should most definitely be on slot 4 CD

[vague nymph]

that's gonna be tough for me...

Whatever you do, make sure she has 25% acc to land her debuffs, and at least 125k eHP (approximately +15k HP and +500 def with low towers). This may be tankier than what you're used to, so one possible compromise is to rune her with slot 4 CR, sacrificing a bit of dmg/CD for the extra tankiness/spd you need.

i followed this

as thought impossible if i was using slot 4 CD

[fresh fog]

where is this from?

[woeful light]

jx9

[Message Link](#1166120830921621504 message) to #1166120830921621504

Steel Fortress B10 (SF10)

It's time to start farming real artifacts. And by real I mean start caring about the artifact substats rather than just the main flat stat. For this dungeon we'll need to add 2 monsters to our roster: Ling Ling and 2A Raoq. Ling Ling is a 4* fusion, and Raoq should be your 3rd 2A monster. The team is Loren Fran Raoq Kro Ling Ling.

Raoq is runed exactly the same way as Kro. Ling Ling is a bit trickier. For purposes of SF10, Ling Ling is mostly there just for her buff block debuff. You don't need any damage on her for runs to be safe, but it does help speed them up. It's ideal to have Ling Ling move first on your team so that she can apply the buff block debuff before anyone else on your team moves and triggers a shield. However, runing Ling Ling to move first is a bit difficult as until now I had recommended that your fastest swift set go to Loren, who is also on this team. And then the bigger problem is that Ling Ling will be used in Rifts and Raids as well, and those Ling Ling builds will require her to have damage.

Basically what I'm getting at is that for now, you probably want to rune Ling Ling on a slower damage build (very similar to Kro/Raoq) even though it's not ideal for her SF10 usage. You still will get consistent runs, but they won't be as fast as they could be if you had a Ling Ling dedicated to SF10. Whatever you do, make sure she has 25% acc to land her debuffs, and at least 125k eHP (approximately +15k HP and +500 def with low towers). This may be tankier than what you're used to, so one possible compromise is to rune her with slot 4 CR, sacrificing a bit of dmg/CD for the extra tankiness/spd you need.

As always, go straight boss and ignore towers. You can expect an average of around 1:15 runs. Read #1091799234010943648 to figure out what artis to keep/use.

Req. by nigel6917. Quote from · Oct 29, 2023, 1:35 AM

[fresh fog]

last part

sfah can some out since, along with many other changes

[vague nymph]

i see

[fresh fog]

with this, u could have 1 of slot 2 or 6 be hp% to help with the ehp needs for now

but having a slot 4 CR rune at this slow of spds, would be unacceptable

and the reason for her needing to be tanky is, if she dies, the team basically fails

[vague nymph]

can i use def% instead?

cant seem to make it work with hp%

[fresh fog]

it'd work

[vague nymph]

hm cant seem to do any better than what i have currently

are there any events that can help me out

[fresh fog]

identify where yr lacking and if u cant make it work back to more farming

[vague nymph]

farming it is

[vague nymph]

anything useful a beginner like me should pull before the event ends in 24h?

I have galleon from the event and i pulled astar already

[coarse lily]

this isn't really much of an event. follow #1049886722831429672

[vague nymph]

why do u say that?

[coarse lily]

its just giving you 5 weeks of options in 1 week

none of the individual options are special or better in any way than usual

[vague nymph]

so just follow sstones then e.g. if i dont have wind joker summon the list with him in it etcetc

[coarse lily]

yes

[vague nymph]

awesome i just pulled 2 wind jokers in a summon10

@coarse lily in your guide you mention that Not all substats are created equal. Value CR, Spd, and HP% more than others. Would you say this is also true for accuracy?

From the perspective of a new player who is still in pve (toah and soon to be Sf10)

[coarse lily]

i'm not sure what you mean

that is a specific list

they are not examples of a larger subset

[vague nymph]

I mean should I value accuracy the same as CR/Spd/HP%?

I'm clearing out my slot 1/3/5 blue runes and selling everything that doesn;t have 2 of these 3 stats

(or 1 of these stats + 1 innate stat)

as a follow up question, why HP% and not DEF%?

[coarse lily]

i'm honestly trying to figure out how this is confusing

do you think acc is part of substats that are "cr, spd, and hp" or is it part of "others"

[vague nymph]

obviously it's others what i'm asking is will it be different from my perspective

for PvE

and early stage in the game

[coarse lily]

is the guide not a beginner pve guide?

[vague nymph]

... good point

[coarse lily]

if you read the section right before that

i'm pretty sure it even emphasizes this point

that this is specific advice for early game pve

[vague nymph]

ok but how come acc isn't important though sometimes i find it hard to hit the required accuracy when runing for toah etc

it's not as "necessary" to complete runs?

also is there some sort of difference in scaling for HP and DEF for u to pick HP% and not DEF%?

[coarse lily]

it doesn't say it's not important

but you will need a lot more of other stats than acc

[vague nymph]

so acc isn't a hard requirement? just more like a "good if you have it but fine if u dont"

[coarse lily]

no

the cr that monsters who need cr need is much higher than the acc that monsters who need acc need

generally monsters that want cr want max cr. that's 100.

toah needs 45 acc

cr is a harder requirement to hit

[vague nymph]

ok that makes snese

what about DEF%?

[coarse lily]

this one is a good question

there's 2 reasons for this

first, with the way damage formulas are calculated in this game, and the amount of base hp vs base def an average monster has

you end up maximizing eHP at roughly a 3:1 ratio of bonus hp%:def%

this of course can vary a lot depending on the specific monster, for example monsters like fran or mav with really low base def would tip this ratio even more in favor of bonus hp%

so already, you just need a lot more hp than def

and then second, def break is a common debuff in this game, and there are skills that ignore def altogether

hp gives you a lot more protection against that than def

[vague nymph]

i see, thank u for clarifying!

[vague nymph]

Can I use a flat stat or HP% rune for slot 2 instead for Lingling? I been farming thousands of runes but dont have any ATK% Blade SLot2 runes

nvm i don't have a single rune with both speed and crit anyway 🤣

[loud willow]

you can use hp% instead of atk% as long as you are able to meet rune requirements

note that rune 4 should still be CD%

[formal tiger]

Don’t limit yourself to blade

Could use energy, swift, intangible, broken

Start what finding the best available slot 2/4/6 runes, then fill in the build with 1/3/5. 1/3/5 is where you could look to complete sets if you have a rune that fits to do so

#1274995809447968770

[vague nymph]

Should I replace one of my CD% substats with acc? Then I would hit all requirements for Kro except for CR, of which I have 99%

[gloomy sedge]

no

try avoid gemming stats that have rolls

its just inefficient

if anything a better use of gems would be to regem cr likely

i wouldnt worry about acc on kro though, hes only missing 4% which isnt a big deal

[vague nymph]

sorry I meant Raoq not Kro*

typo there

but yeah I will regem cr as soon as I have that gem

[vague nymph]

is this also true for Raoq?

the guide says he needs 35%

in ?sfah

I guess I could just gem that too

this would fix it

[vague nymph]

Will this team be good enough to farm SFAH?

I noticed the section in the beginner guide says SF10 and not SFAH

[loud willow]

you can test your team by running 1 set of 30 runs

[vague nymph]

Are gems or grinds more rare/more difficult to farm?

[formal tiger]

There are more potential stats that have gems

And now that there are separate raids for more set specific you can focus grinds more easily than before

But every rune needs multiple substats grinded and only one gem line

Just farm what you need at any given point

[vague nymph]

Verde is the only one to factor his leader skill into his combat speed.

does this mean Verde gets the leader buff (28% attack speed) even if he's not the leader?

[formal tiger]

No

But you only use him in this dungeon and you use his leader skill

Everyone else needs to be runed to meet speed requirements in other dungeons

So when you build them you can’t rely on verdes leader skill

[vague nymph]

Ah, so just for clarification - only for this dungeon (DBAH) where Verde is this leader, specifically for Verde the 169 cmb spd can be reached after taking into account the 28% buff. As a follow up question, how is this 28% buff applied? Is it to the base stat, similar to how summoner skills are applied?

[vague nymph]

done it's average 1:20 and best clear time is 1:00 with 0 fails

[gloomy sedge]

All skills always apply to base stat

Summoner skills and leader skills

So using verde leader +your current summon skill you would just do verde's base * (1 + 0.lead skill + 0.speed skill)

That would be the combat speed that he starts in the dungeon before runes

[vague nymph]

How much of SFAH should i farm before proceeding to riftbeasts?

[gloomy sedge]

Basically until most of your monsters have upgrades better than the white quality artifacts

Kro benefits immensely from a water+ damage

Vero loves the CD lines, etc

can give #1091799234010943648 a read

[vague nymph]

i've read it already but can't fully understand it yet, is there any team builder/guide that tells you the best lines on each monster?

[coarse lily]

it's fine if you don't fully understand it

find someplace you don't fully understand and then ask about it until you do understand it

don't just ignore the whole thing completely and then give up

[vague nymph]

may i ask why is this?

[vague nymph]

does the CD work for S1 (since it deals continuous damage)?

[gloomy sedge]

well you use him in gbah where most of your farming comes from

[vague nymph]

did this as per your advice, CD for more and less HP and also S2

[gloomy sedge]

yes, it works on the main dmg from s1, dots are not affected

[vague nymph]

it's 0 rolls though sadly

for right artifact

and 1 roll left artifact

[gloomy sedge]

yeah that's why you have to farm more

[vague nymph]

there's no way to roll them up individually right? u have to find a brand new artifact

[gloomy sedge]

yep

they come auto rolled

[vague nymph]

Does the additional damage by %spd/atk etc take into account summoner skills and leader abilities?

e.g. if my speed was 108+46

is 50% spd atk = 76?

or more, due to summoner skill

nvm, found it it's in the guide

The additional damage is calculated off of your total and current stat (as opposed to base stats). That means atk buff during a battle will increase your damage from add dmg by atk, while slow debuff will decrease the damage from add dmg by spd.

In that case for a team with Fran and Mav (that buff bothe ATK and Spd), how do we know which stat is more valuable?

So as a general example assuming max summoners skill

base spd = a
additional spd from runing = b

final spd = (1.2a (summoner skill) + b) * 1.5 (buff from Mav)

then from there i can calculate how much damage is added?

then i also gotta take into account that Mav and Fran both have different speeds and hence will be buffing across different cycles..?

[coarse lily]

i wouldn't worry about trying to get damage from mav or fran with add dmg from artis

should focus on survivability for those monsters

[vague nymph]

nono i mean for monsters that are on the same team as them

as they getb uffed

[coarse lily]

who are you working on?

[vague nymph]

my rift beasts team

mainly bella kro mav fran

raoq

once im done i will move on to verde and ardella

[coarse lily]

prioritize the correct +/- ele for the hardest content they are used in

for example if you use kro in water rift and wind rift but water rift is already super easy and wind rift is the one you're struggling in

then look for +/- wind arti for kro

even if it doesn't help him for water

[vague nymph]

What's the most efficeint way to level a new mon to lv40? Is it Lapis at Faimon Hell?

fastest* way rather

[gloomy sedge]

yep

[vague nymph]

In the beginner's guide @coarse lily you write that Verde must be the last turn taker in riftbeasts - my Verde has a speed of 170.85 and kro has a speed of 171.2. Is that ok? They both round off to 171

[loud willow]

the cmb spd always rounds up

so 171.2 becomes 172

[vague nymph]

Sorry I saw it wrongly, my Kro actually has a speed of 170.2

so Kro and Verde both have 171

who will go first then?

[loud willow]

if both monsters have equal speed, the monster to the left of your team moves first

for rift beasts, i believe the order would be the left frontline monster, followed by the right frontline monster, followed by the backlines, from left to right

for other content where you're using both verde and kro, verde will always be the lead and therefore, verde moves first

[vague nymph]

cool so since they round up to the same number all i have to do is put Kro to the Left of Verde then?

[loud willow]

yes

[vague nymph]

This is the Dark Rift, i'm at 90% rate of SSS, sometimes this happens, sometimes Mav alone dies, sometimes Fran alone dies, sometimes Fran + Raoq dies. How should I improve my team?

[vague nymph]

Can someone reconcile this for me please?

Lapis will need a slight rune change, you do need to get her faster
(aim for at least +70), which likely will involve swapping her Atk slot 2 for an Spd slot 2
rune. I

Lapis - [SPD-ATT]/CD/ATT, 180 SPD after Speed Skill and Leader Skill

180 SPD after Verde's leader skill is = 141 cmb spd (141 * 1.28 = 180.48)
But if we're going for +70 then the cmb spd = 95*1.2 (summoner skill) + 70 = 184, then we take 184 multiplied by 1.28 (verde's skill) = 235spd

Which is the requirement?

[formal tiger]

.

But also the playthrough is not intended to be a guide

Follow the commands from #guides

The playthrough was jx talking through his mindset playing a new account right after a big update dropped

Things have changed since then

And teams have been ironed out

[vague nymph]

command says 180 spd after leader skill so i guess that's the one?

[formal tiger]

Are you using verde leader skill every time you use lapis?

Leader skill is also only applied to base stats not total stats

[vague nymph]

at the moment, yes

[woeful light]

aceatall

[Message Link](#1049393485372993567 message) to #1049393485372993567

• How to Calculate Total HP/DEF/ATT and Combat Speed

(base x [ 1 + summoner skill + leader skill+ team set] + runes) x (1 + buff) = total

• Base:
• Monsters base stats
• **Summoner and Leader Skills and Team sets: **
• Turn percent into a decimal
• Team sets include: Enhance/Fight/Deter
• Buff: ATT 50%/DEF 70%/SPD 30% buffs
• Turn percent into a decimal
• Dont worry about this unless Speed tuning with spd buff or another special case
• Total SPD: Combat Speed (cmb spd)

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Mar 11, 2024, 7:00 PM

[vague nymph]

what is combat speed actually?

[fresh fog]

total speed, thats all combat speed is

[vague nymph]

so when the ?riftstats command says 180spd after speed skill and leader skill

it means 141 cmb spd?

[formal tiger]

.

[fresh fog]

except yr not using verde lead in fire rift and ^

[vague nymph]

oh yeah gotta recalc

[formal tiger]

?rift-fire

[woeful light]

FIRE BEAST

Boss Mechanic: spawns minion bombs that will attack and explode dealing damage to your monsters.
The minion bombs can only be hit with AOE attacks

Frontline/Backline
The damage isn't reduced by the amount of that you have, so run 2 FL, 4 BL.

Team Suggestion without water twins
Front Line: Fran/Mav
Back Line: Lapis + 2aKro + Raoq(2a) + Verde

Team Suggestion with water twins
Front Line: Fran & Mav
Back Line: Sabrina + Talia + Lapis + 2aRaoq

Leaderskills
Lapis(ATT%)/Verd(SPD)

• Use ?riftstats in #bot-commands, if you want help knowing how to build these units.
• Confused by a listed name? use /monster name:Monster to find the normal name.

[vague nymph]

i guess guide outdated? :/

[formal tiger]

You’re better off with atk lead since most of your team should already be runed fast enough without lead

[vague nymph]

i see

Damage Dealers - ATT/CD/ATT 140+ spd, 100% CR,
+200% attack and 170 CD is usually enough for SSS all rifts no fail

This 200% attack is of base stat right?

so if the mon base attack is 600 then i need +1200 from runes

[fresh fog]

correct

[vague nymph]

usually in other dungeons EHP, CR, and Spd are the hard requirements

but for rifts ATK is equally important?

or can I drop attack to hit EHP CR Spd requirements?

[fresh fog]

u have additions to a monsters mins req's now

[vague nymph]

in the form of damage ?

[formal tiger]

Correct

You can’t get sss if you don’t do enough damage

[vague nymph]

so i have to watch the run and see if it's a damage problem or tankiness problem

[formal tiger]

Most rift beasts nothing should die

Dark can be annoying

Wind can be annoying

[vague nymph]

so for most rift beasts, damage is the problem

not HP

[formal tiger]

More hp doesn’t help much in rifts after meeting build requirements

Frontliners like to be tanky but that’s baked into the requirements

The further you get into the game, the more stats you need to include in your builds

Either extra stats (like adding damage here) or way more of the same stats (a siege tank needs way more hp and def than stuff you build in pve)

[vague nymph]

Why do we always want Verde to go last?

[fresh fog]

want u to think about that one, then get backto us

[vague nymph]

I mean it's probably something to do with the passive (crits increase ally attack bars), but I don't see why he has to go last... even if he's first (so his ATB is full, ally's ATB not full), then isn't it better that he fills up allys' ATB rather than letting them "overflow"?

[fresh fog]

thats just a huge waste of atb

the spds yr dealing with arent particually high to begin with

[gloomy sedge]

you might find the ATB overflow section in #1048719420870107227 to be an interesting read for you if you want

[vague nymph]

i just realised the answer is very simple

he goes last because allies need to use their skills and have skills on cooldown first

before verde passive kicks in

[gloomy sedge]

that's not still it

[vague nymph]

would be a waste to increase ATB if skills not yet on cd?

ok i've no clue then

[gloomy sedge]

well, think about it. your monsters are going to be already tuned to be faster than the combat wave, so they will move first regardless of verde atb or not

if you have verde go 1st, then 2nd monster, you'd just give them 40% atb, so they move with 140% atb overflow (yes this is a thing and how the game exactly works to determine monster turns)

so when they take their turn, they go back to 0% atb

BUT if you had verde move last, your first 4 monsters take their turns normally, but keep in mind that as long as each monster moves, they will still gain more atb

so a monster could have 60% atb for example or so when verde takes his turn

he hits, gives 40% atb to the monster to give him 100% atb

if he has more atb than the enemy wave, he takes a turn

[vague nymph]

so if entire team is tuned to more than the combat wave, everyone starts with 100% atb?

[gloomy sedge]

not exactly

like i said, the section in #1048719420870107227 focuses on the atb overflow and is something you could read if you want to understand better about it

swgt.io has a visual speed tick calculator too to see how atb gain works in realtime, but that's a bit more advanced for your average player

[vague nymph]

okay i'll have a read first

so since the entire team is speed tuned to go first, my entire team will hit 100% atb before the enemy anyway, and having verde go first will just lead to wasted overflow?

[coarse lily]

yes

[vague nymph]

If I have a 70% SSS rate (30% SS) on a rift beast and no one is dying (record shows victory with no deaths), that means i need more damage on attackers?

[loud willow]

yes

it means you deal too little damage during the boss groggy state

[vague nymph]

gotcha

[loud willow]

req for SSS is 3.5m, SS is 3m

failure to kill the boss in 2nd phase will result in A+ instead

[vague nymph]

My Lapis seems a lot weaker vs the example Lapis in the beginner guide... did jx9 have basically perfect runes to achieve those stats here (every rune has 4 relevant substats)

[loud willow]

you dont need vampire runes for lapis

can simply use a mixture of blade/energy/fatal

for fire rift, lapis is required to do enough damage to clear out the fire minions around the boss

and some tankiness to survive

[vague nymph]

ah i see

that makes it a lot easier, thank you!

but just for knowledge, for him to be able to achieve those stats with vamp, he needs 4 relevant substats per rune?

[loud willow]

yes, rune quality specifically

which you should not have since you should be farming giants for runes

you will never need vamp runes for lapis either way so dont need to worry about switching to vamp down the road

that example lapis is built 3 years ago, many things have changed since then, rune quality and requirements are some of them

[vague nymph]

i see

yeah i have been only farming giants so i don't have a strong vamp set at all

At my stage where I'm almost able to farm rifts at 90% (still working on the team, now about 70-80% SSS), should i be looking for runes with 3 relevant substats, gemming the 4th substat, then grinding them all?

Also, should I only use beast claw/horn for grinds since i'm already getting gems from the rift?

I'm assuming always craft grinds as I need a lot more grinds as well wheres gems only fit in one slot

As a follow up question, since I'm already doing rifts, should I start regemming my perfect runes (runes that have 4 relevant substats)?

Following that, I'd also gem runes with 3 relevant substats?

[formal tiger]

Craft what you need. Right now you don’t have access to grinds because you haven’t reached sr5, so it could make sense to craft grinds

Don’t bother regemming runes that already have relevant subs for now. You almost certainly have lots of other runes that need the gems more

[vague nymph]

thank u sokker

[vague nymph]

bump

[vague nymph]

bump

[formal tiger]

This is the same answer to your other question about whether to craft gems or grinds

[formal tiger]

You are always looking for runes that are as good as or better than your current runes. That means more relevant substats, or higher rolls on the relevant substats, or both. There’s no one-size-fits-all answer. But you should be gemming and grinding runes you are using if you have the resources available, yes

[coarse lily]

i'm not sure what you mean by 4 relevant substats per rune

if you mean literally what you said, as in even a white/normal quality can end up with "4 relevant substats", then yes. that's the entire goal of picking out the right runes for your monsters, and it's something you should aim for starting from day 0

or by 4 relevant substats do you mean legendary quality runes?

[vague nymph]

if im farming water rifts the most i should be maxing out waater skills right? then reset later?

[loud willow]

yes

?whomie

[woeful light]

Making Your First Homunculus:

• Will start by upgrading the water homie and evolve its skill tree (doesn't matter which you pick).
• Due to the fact Water Rift will be your first 100% SSS rift, this makes collection resources for reappraisal stones and rift beast crystals for your homie easier to obtain, as well as, it having better gem's for your current runes, compared to other rift beasts
• Once Water Homies skill tree is fully evolved, you will receive a refund coupon to reset its element and skill tree (this is where you follow the below image)

https://i.imgur.com/1xVmfyQ.png

[vague nymph]

Are rift difficulties evenly distributed, or are some rifts naturally harder than others?

For example, if my average damage for all rifts are 4m, but average damage for dark rifts are 3.5m, does that mean I'm struggling the most in dark (and hence should upgrade those units)

[vague nymph]

In rifts, if the whole team dies, what is the likely reason? Is it a lack of damage?

[gloomy sedge]

Lack of dmg yea, typically

[vague nymph]

The SR5 guide says Fran and Loren aren't recommended to be leaders as they are small - what does size have to do with anything?

Should I be fusing more Ling Lings to level up her skills?

Which of these guys should I use as SR5 leads? I have yet to use these summons from the welcome event. I have 124 tickets to roll for event4 as well. Not sure if I should roll for anyone new orn ot

or not*

[fresh fog]

sure u can

[fresh fog]

fedora + vero + loren/stella (if u end up using her)

[fresh fog]

?nat4event

[elder jackal]

Cd someone please help me build an arena offense with the nat5 and ld4 I have?

[fresh fog]

this isnt yr thread and, if u are done with #guides , see ?ao

[vague nymph]

how long should i hold this out for? I've not used any of the summons yet in case i get them from scrolls

[fresh fog]

?nat4event

[woeful light]

• ** Summoners Way Pick A Nat 4 Event**

• This event does NOT expire, so there is no hurry to summon from the event till you need it

• Can summon 1 Wind, 1 Water, and 1 Fire Monster

• The list of recommended monsters: ?sstones

• Summoners Way 30 Nat 4 Skill Up Event

• See the ?devilmon command, Galleon will be the only nat 4 used for this possibly, till one has finished step 1 and 2 of #guides .

[fresh fog]

2nd bullet point

[vague nymph]

will lingling be eventually used as fusion material?

[fresh fog]

no

[vague nymph]

what's best way to get more angelmons to level up fusion monsters?

[fresh fog]

no1 said u need to use angelmon to level monsters

[vague nymph]

what's the best way to level them up then?

get a ton of unknown scrolls somehow?

[fresh fog]

how do u level any other unit up

[vague nymph]

just auto select

sealed shrine

[fresh fog]

???

u level monsters up in faimon

[vague nymph]

woops

took too long so i used fodder

[fresh fog]

thats stupid as fk

[vague nymph]

why

[fresh fog]

why would u waste fodder on giving a monster xp

fodder is for evolving

[vague nymph]

ic

[vague nymph]

what are some good artifact substats (Left) for tanks like mav and fran?

[fresh fog]

mav: -fire
fran: - (x)

[hybrid barn]

#1091799234010943648 Read through this and you'll get some ideas on what lines might be good.

[vague nymph]

how much speed and acc are needed for SR5?

Is it ok to farm SR2/3 to get weaker grinds to progress towards SR4? OR is it a waste of resources

[smoky meteor]

Farm more runes instead

[vague nymph]

bump

[gloomy sedge]

should be explained in ?sr5 first link

[vague nymph]

don't think it is

for example if i had darion on 35% for gbah but i'm not using him for gbah anymore can i lower his acc then? im not sure if he's used for any other later content

[gloomy sedge]

yes

its like 15% acc iirc

?acc

[woeful light]

Accuracy Benchmarks

0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer

for detailed information type ?accuracy in #bot-commands or read https://redd.it/4hw8da

[vague nymph]

is there a way to check if a mon will be used in later content?

so that i can find out if it's safe to lower their acc or not

[gloomy sedge]

not really but you can ask about it

but from this point in sr5 ull be building a lot more monsters

and their reqs are going to be the same relatively for other pve stuff

so dont worry about it too much

[vague nymph]

ok, thank u!

[vague nymph]

Is it worth traininig monsters at Faimon til lv40? Or are the returns too diminishing at high lv30s where u should just stop and let them level up naturally when used in dungeons

Raviti (Full skillups) or Fedora (No skillups) for SR5? Need one DEF lead

[loud willow]

should always fully level your monsters till 40 at faimon

can use raviti

fedora needs his s3 maxed

[vague nymph]

Huan or Tian Qin?

[loud willow]

tien qin > huan

[vague nymph]

awesome thanks

Nangrim + Xiao Lin OR
Water Twins?

[loud willow]

sabrina + talia

[vague nymph]

Would u guys replace anyone with Riley (no skillups)?

Team 1:
Vero (L) Howl
Shannon Lingling Whomie Tien Qin

Team 2:
Fran Bella
Loren (L) Kona Water Twins

Team 3:
Raviti (L) Darion
Colleen Kro Raoq Ardella

[loud willow]

no reason to use riley

that team composition is fine

[vague nymph]

thank you

What kind of blue runes should I be keeping? I read somewhere only if you can get Spd + 18 ?

[loud willow]

end game players still use blue runes

should be comparing with the runes in your inventory

[vague nymph]

can you give an example please?

[loud willow]

lets say u have a blade rune 6 atk%

with cr 6% and cd 7%

and you roll cr 6% twice, so the final result of your rare rune at +6 becomes cr 18% and cd 7%

if you roll from +6 to +9 and get a third roll of hp 6%

you compare to the other blade 6 atk% runes in your inventory

if you had a blade 6 atk% hero rune but it low rolled into cr thrice, making a 4% cr become 16% cr, alongside a 7% cd and another hp 6%, the rare rune above would still be better by comparing the cr difference (and considering that cr is a premium stat as well)

therefore you would keep that rare rune in this instance

secondly, note that you should be more lenient with rolls on runes 2/4/6 compared to 1/3/5, since its much harder to get proper rolls with the right main stat on even number rune slots

[vague nymph]

ah

i see what u mean

thank you

yeah i have huge scarcity problem with slot 2 runes

[vague nymph]

does anyone provide any rune tutorial/filtering services? or a coach to look through my runes and teach me what to look out for? happy to pay an hourly rate

[formal tiger]

@sweet locust

[sweet locust]

hello

@vague nymph let me see what we can do

[vague nymph]

Are water twins worth deviling?

[severe pollen]

not during #guides

?devilmon

[woeful light]

For New Players

• Veromos > Spectra 2A > Vigor 2A > Raoq 2A
• Galleon if used on your gbah team (S1 and s3)
• Use ?nat4event skill ups on recommended pvp nat 4's before using devilmon (includes galleon)
• Save the rest of your devilmon until #guides is finished and you are ready to start PvP

✥ Nat 5★ monsters are generally prioritized with devilmon. However, there are 4★ monsters which require skill-ups and are worth devilmoning ASAP (for example, galleon for 100% harmful effect rate on S3). For more information about this, check the 4* skillup part of #1048719420870107227 .

[formal tiger]

There is now a monster called water twin angels which is very meta in rta and also seen in siege. That monster could be worth using devils when you are at the point of prioritizing PvP. Water twins as in chakram and boomerang should not be deviled

[vague nymph]

what about my summoner's way reward skillups? not sure who to use em on... i don't have anyone i need to use them on at the moment

[gloomy sedge]

awaken one wind joker and use it on him

[vague nymph]

gotcha thanks!

[vague nymph]

Should Howl be runed SPD/HP/HP or SPD/HP/DEF for the 2a Dungeon and also for SR5?

[formal tiger]

Whatever gets the needed stats

[vague nymph]

If I use Riley as ATK buffer for PC10, does she need max skillups?

[formal tiger]

?pcah

[woeful light]

Punisher's Crypt Abyss (Hard)

• Teams and Turn Order: do not skip straight to team 2

  1. Eirgar/Colleen > Bella/2aIcaru > 2aRaoq > 2aKro > Verde (L) (1:20-2:00)
  2. Eirgar (L) > 2aIcaru > 2aRaoq > Pang/Fuco > Verde (0:45-1:00)

• Requirements:

  • Eirgar: SPD/CD/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
  • Belladeon: SPD/HP/HP, 100k EHP, 195 cmb spd, 35% acc
  • Colleen: See ?sr5
  • 2aIcaru: 3301 total def, 169 cmb spd, 35% acc
  • 2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 120k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
  • Pang/Fuco: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd
  • 2aKro: ATT/CD/ATT, 130k EHP, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd
  • Verde: ATT/CD/ATT, 90k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR

• Other Info:

  • Monsters with same cmb spd requirements, see turn order above
  • Artifacts used depend on what the monster needs, EHP (hp/def) or DMG (att)
  • A Belladeon that has been 2nd awakened will NOT work in this dungeon
  • Dark type monsters should have at least "15 minus dmg from Light" artifact substat
  • Team 1 Boss Target Order is L > R > Boss
  • Team 2 is straight boss

[formal tiger]

Stop following the playthrough and start following #guides instead

[vague nymph]

oh ok

i don't have eirgar though..

oh wait i think i have the coins

[severe pollen]

where does it say you need eirgar

colleen works just fine

[vague nymph]

right

what are the cons of making a 2a Icaru instead of just using Belle?

the same Belle that i'm using for rifts and sr5

[severe pollen]

make icaru for nbah when you get there

use bella until then

(if your bella is NOT 2a)

[vague nymph]

is it better to leave her unawakened (2a) just for this purpose?

i was wondering if i should 2a her to make SR5 easier then make a replacement for her later on'

[severe pollen]

yes, bella doesnt need 2a and it breaks him for pcah

so dont 2a

[vague nymph]

i meant is it better for my account overall

if u get me

[severe pollen]

its not

[vague nymph]

For GBAH

Belladeon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > Wind Homie > 2aKro

Is it acceptable if Wind Homie goes last (after Kro)?

[gloomy sedge]

sure the last two doesnt matter that much

as long as he's faster than 169 cmb

[vague nymph]

thank u

[vague nymph]

is this likely a damage issue?

17 runs so far, first defeat

before i switched shannon for whomie it was 100% win rate

[vague nymph]

\

[smoky meteor]

Are they all meeting the requirements?

[vague nymph]

yes sir

[smoky meteor]

Show builds

[vague nymph]

note that the 120k EHP requirement I put down was for SR5, for gbah the requirements are only 100k and 80k EHP for Kro and Whomie, so I've met them

[formal tiger]

Show Artis

[vague nymph]

what is the best way to do that?

from arti management screen?

[formal tiger]

Yeah that’s fine. Will show stats from both sides in one screen

[formal tiger]

Fix your left side artifacts

• damage on element is the easiest way to add huge damage if you know what you’re hitting

[vague nymph]

i consciously put damage on water for whomie

[formal tiger]

What happens on failed runs?

[vague nymph]

anything else i can do?

[vague nymph]

im trying to catch it but havent caught it yet

oh

just saw it

giant smashed the ground and 3/5 died

[formal tiger]

All your damage dealers should be on +damage on water, with multiple rolls

[vague nymph]

only kro and bella survive with low HP

then they die next

[formal tiger]

+4% isn’t even one roll

If adding more damage from real left side Artis doesn’t work, you can try making everything tankier (either - damage from water or more bulk from runes)

[vague nymph]

anything else i can do besides this regarding artis?

[formal tiger]

What do you mean?

[vague nymph]

what other arti changes would be helpful

besides giving kro and whomie water dmg

[formal tiger]

Do you have pcah built?

[vague nymph]

no i'm not that far ahead sadly

[formal tiger]

That’s fine

Vero and spectra want +water too

Spend some time in sfah and farm until you have each of them with an arti with at least one roll into +water, preferably more

That’s the whole point of building sfah at this stage

Left side arti +damage by element is multiplicative on total damage dealt, so it adds a ton of damage. The same amount of extra damage from runes would be weeks/months of farming

[vague nymph]

gotcha! thank u i'll go ahead and do that

so similarly for SR5 if I wanted to farm a ton of energy/blade grinds I'll be fighting the ice dragon do i need dmg water left arti as well?

[formal tiger]

As you work through the guides, spend some time farming each new content you build. It’s not just a checklist

[formal tiger]

Yes, would work there too. Idk about “need” as I haven’t farmed anything besides original r5

[vague nymph]

ah why not? isn't it better to farm the elemental ones as u got higher chance of getting the specific set type of grind?

side note what is the element of the original r5?

the chaos beast

[formal tiger]

Neutral

You will use lots of different runes as you progress through the game, and they will all want to be grinded

You might eventually reach a point where you need more vio or swift grinds than anything else, but that comes later

[vague nymph]

i see

will i need to change artifacts often as i progress through the content?

hey i just got this from sf10 that's quite nice 2 rolls - i guess it goes on kro first?

[formal tiger]

Good arti. Can go on any of your DDs, see which element is your worst of the 4 DDs when you’ve farmed for a bit

But you should be in sfah not sf10

[vague nymph]

sfah* sorry typo

[formal tiger]

And yes, it’s common to switch Artis depending on what you’re farming (and for siege, switch left sides based on what you’re hitting)

[vague nymph]

in this game is it better to evenly split stats over your DDs or better to concentrate everything onto 1 DD?

For example is it better if i had 4 DDs with 5% water dmg each or
3 DDs with 4% water dmg and 1 DD with 8% water dmg?

I know it's not a simple yes/no question but could u shed some light on the calculations/how scaling works?

[formal tiger]

Depends on the comp. Certain mons just have better scaling than others, so you want to amplify their damage

Like Luna has massive single target enemy max hp damage, so extra damage on her would make more impact than the same increase on someone else in her team

But for your comp you’re using now, there’s no one standout

Doesn’t really matter anyway, not like you can reallocate stats from one arti to another

[vague nymph]

gotcha thank u sir

[vague nymph]

Hey sokker I reapped all my GBAH DDs to have at least 10% damage to water and my Bella to have -5% damage from water, but I still failed 2 battles out of 30 😦

There were also a couple close shaves where i barely won

it seems really random too as to who is dying first, I'm assuming it's the giant's slam attack that does huge AoE damage

Let me resend team stats and artis as well

[sweet locust]

I'll help you figure this out today if needed

We can fix it for you

[vague nymph]

okie dokes i was actually hoping to fix it before so i can farm as many runes as possible before our call 🤣

[formal tiger]

These Artis are improved, good job

Scarlet will take great care of you, and this might be something that’s easier to address while looking through your runes together

Only thing I would ask for now is what specifically happened on the failed runs? Are you dying to giant revenge? Is it on the giant’s own turn after the tower applied def break? Looks like everyone but Bella is wiping (triggering whomie passive) at the same time, so I’m guessing it’s def broken aoe hit on giants turn after he’s already revenged. But watch for a fail and figure out what it looks like

[vague nymph]

so giant's one smash after applying def break on me + critical hits does too much dmg

this round in particular he attacked twice in a row