Simi's siege thread | Summoners War | Page 3

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:23 PM

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this defense is actually not bad to be honest with you

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:23 PM

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let me rune rq

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:23 PM

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i don't dislike it

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shahat is a monster on defense

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and irene is criminally underrated

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that being said

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almost everyone running it is going to be a silly goose and not someone you need to be scared of

fading sable Mar 12, 2025, 9:24 PM

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i mean, first glance - it's running speed lead on a non swift threat

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:25 PM

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if this was real siege

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we could run swift shahat

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but anyways

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let's not get too carried away

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the defense has no def break

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that's the biggest weakness

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:25 PM

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327 cmb spd

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:26 PM

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but anyways

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whatever

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its fine

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327 combat is good enough

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send it

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simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:26 PM

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(I need to rune every offense now)

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oh yeah and this def (stupid rakan shit again)

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what leo angle is here dejj

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im scared to do leo feng tetra

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:27 PM

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this defense has no swift threat

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:27 PM

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HYANES

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:27 PM

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YAPP

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the only problem is

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narsha is kinda

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inherently

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anti-hyanes

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but it's fine

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just send it

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:28 PM

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shrug

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:28 PM

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her 3rd skill makes her go zoom zoom

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:28 PM

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ill put everything on -light to be sure

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dejj

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:29 PM

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yeah

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:32 PM

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actually to go back to the doublesnipe

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how safe is it with praline (still cov lead)

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I realized how much harder it is to rune my snipers for colleen

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and I dont think I can manage it

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:34 PM

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praline is fine

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:34 PM

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anything swift there kills you

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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thankfully nothing is swift

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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WhateverYouSay

fossil dragonBOT Mar 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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Namib (Wind Mummy)

Wikia

1. Touch of Corruption

Attacks the enemy 2 times with each attack having a 20% chance to inflict Continuous Damage for 1 turn. This damage of this attack will increase according to your MAX HP.

Levels

Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Damage +5%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +15%

Multiplier

0.5*{ATK} + 0.08*{MAX HP} x2

2. Body Roll

Slams the body with the enemy at the cost of 10% of your current HP, dealing 20% of your MAX HP to the enemy as damage. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

0.2*{MAX HP} (Fixed)

3. Poisoned Body(Passive)

Becomes immune to Continuous Damage. When being attacked, the attackers will suffer Continuous Damage for 1 turn. [Automatic Effect]

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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WhateverYouSay

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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I dont like this

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surely nothing is swift when youre not running a speed lead

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random topset vio also hoses you

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:36 PM

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how would you propose hitting it with namib?

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:38 PM

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FatCatIDK i mean think of it like a puzzle!

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theres no def break/brand to redirect targeting

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so irene will always seal a fire unit/not namib

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platy does fuck all other than stun nabib

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:40 PM

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but how do you kill stuff

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I dont get it

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you have one fire unit that will get trapped by irene

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:40 PM

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see namib is a tank and

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WhateverYouSay if shahat cant stack dots he doesnt do a ton

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its a fun puzzle

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:41 PM

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is this true dmg

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WhateverYouSay

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:41 PM

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yes

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its a fair bit but its less than miles

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:42 PM

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so the fire unit we take doesnt matter too much since it wont be in the match WhateverYouSay I wont think too hard on that one

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:42 PM

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wdym wont be in the match

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:42 PM

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irene

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WhateverYouSay

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:42 PM

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irene doesnt seal things for super long without some cooldown thing

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:42 PM

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oh so I can make my fire unit some sustain thing

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like khmun!

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well

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not sustain

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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like yea irene is annoying

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but

fossil dragonBOT Mar 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Never heard of this monster before. :(

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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WhateverYouSay

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gdi

fossil dragonBOT Mar 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Irène (Water Devil Maiden)

Wikia

3. Bind: Demon Bag

Steals 2 beneficial effects from the enemy, absorbs all Attack Bar and leaves the target out of the battle to decrease its HP by 5% whenever the enemy and ally's turn ends. This effect lasts for 10 turns, and its duration is decreased by 1 turn if the caster gets attacked. This skill can be only used on one Monster at a time. (Reusable in 6 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

Pos. Effects

Absorb ATB (100%)

Neg. Effects

Demon Bag (10%)
Remove Buff (2 round(s))

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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4 turn cd WhateverYouSay

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:43 PM

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o

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:44 PM

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You can also cleave this!

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i just think going surely theyre never swift and racing at -20 is insane

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:44 PM

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leah 85 frfr

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(I will not do leah)

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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weren't we talking about using praline?

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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o right

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but ent didnt like it WhateverYouSay

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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no i'm asking

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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WhateverYouSay i saw a colleen

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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because ent said -20

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oh

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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I think he meant the def would race -20

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:45 PM

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simi said praline (still cov lead)

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i would use praline lead

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:46 PM

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ill try that dejj hope I have enough dmg

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:46 PM

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WhateverYouSay

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ok i found simis target

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|| 1. Bolverk||
|| 2. Malite||
|| 3. I'm not convinced this can beat leo||
|| 4. Honestly you dont have a swift comp used yet so just cleave this somehow? Idr Simi's box. ||
|| 5. Hyanes ||

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:49 PM

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thats what it looks like for now (other than the malite)

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but is malite really needed when I can deploy the laika

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WhateverYouSay

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:49 PM

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worry

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im honestly not a huge fan of the laika tbh

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but yea that too

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:50 PM

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ok for malite (never used before dejj )

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I go malite +2 water right WhateverYouSay

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:51 PM

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yea. ideally something that controls and sustains

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WhateverYouSay

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the cv slayer

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:51 PM

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elucia!

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 9:52 PM

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@chilly bough wanna recount the carc miles elad stories

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:52 PM

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(im just gonna deploy laika here but ill hit this def with malite next time I see it in siege)

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:57 PM

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simple pelican but is malite really needed when I can deploy the laika

are we talking about carc miles eladriel?

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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yes

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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we're talking about using malite into carcano?

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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WhateverYouSay yes

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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i'm going to hard disagree on malite into carcano

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I honestly think laika works fine, the nana laika tetra hit is very safe

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The instant one unit dies (it doesn't take long) you can't really lose

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 9:59 PM

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fluid coral <@728158806588129281> wanna recount the carc miles elad stories

no.... :(

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 9:59 PM

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please do tell

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 10:00 PM

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oh no it's just

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back when i was a much less learned player

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i ran CV

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we ran into carc miles eladriel

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defense was destroyer of worlds

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:00 PM

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WhateverYouSay

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now its g1 food!

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 10:01 PM

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I still don't think the defense is bad

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I just don't think it's good in modern siege

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:01 PM

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worry

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anyways almost done runing, ill send results in a bit hmjj

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:25 PM

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do we just accept it and move on

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or is irene a swift threat now

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 10:25 PM

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Always was?

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:25 PM

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majj

fading sable Mar 12, 2025, 10:25 PM

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wowser

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irene swift, that's kind of crazy ngl

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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ICANT

chrome echoBOT Mar 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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scarlet_roses

[Message Link](#1281383011517988936 message) to #1281383011517988936
it's ok guys unluck go next

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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I mean I expected it but

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DAMN

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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wdym crazy her most common build in rta is swift

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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at least the dmg sets were good worry

chilly bough Mar 12, 2025, 10:27 PM

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You still almost won

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Listen it's just unlucky

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:27 PM

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dejj

fading sable Mar 12, 2025, 10:28 PM

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You don't have dova right?

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:31 PM

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nope

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I would not lushen this WhateverYouSay

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platy

fading sable Mar 12, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Oh i forgot platy has a revive

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FatCatIDK

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But still I feel like mih could kill platy

simple pelican Mar 12, 2025, 10:32 PM

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also shahat base is scary hmjj

fluid coral Mar 12, 2025, 10:34 PM

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fading sable But still I feel like mih could kill platy

????

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the unit whos commonly built spd hp hp

safe escarp Mar 13, 2025, 3:55 AM

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#guides

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 3:55 AM

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WhateverYouSay

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 3:59 AM

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R u gonna start ur g3 career next ssn

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 4:00 AM

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yes

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not right after rewards, but soon

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:00 AM

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where

safe escarp Mar 13, 2025, 4:00 AM

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ill use my nepo card just for u, simi

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 4:01 AM

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hollow frost where

well see Evilge

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but this is #general-sw stuff

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smh

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:03 AM

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Keep shaking it

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R non advisers/helpers allowed to suggest

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(i never read rules)

open zephyr Mar 13, 2025, 4:05 AM

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yeah it's ffa in here

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but if ur obnoxious and/or wrong all the time people get bonked

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:05 AM

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pepelaughpoint

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A certain somebody told me to fuck off

chrome echoBOT Mar 13, 2025, 4:06 AM

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scarlet_roses

[Message Link](#1232589438211850330 message) to #1232589438211850330
I feel like you should probably just let other people give advice here

balmy mantle Mar 13, 2025, 4:07 AM

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were you giving shitty advice?

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Literaly was not

balmy mantle Mar 13, 2025, 4:09 AM

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idk then

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:09 AM

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simple pelican do we just accept it and move on

But also where adriana...

balmy mantle Mar 13, 2025, 4:09 AM

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don't be obnoxious or wrong all the time and it will be fine

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 4:10 AM

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dont hab adriana...

balmy mantle Mar 13, 2025, 4:10 AM

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simi is super bad at summoning

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:10 AM

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that's unfortunate

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 4:11 AM

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yes

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and no I will not use it with hyanes there

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scarlet advice shrug
cookie is harder cc

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:14 AM

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I guess it's better into red blue white

fossil dragonBOT Mar 13, 2025, 4:15 AM

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Dover (Light Kobold Bomber)

Wikia

3. Flash Bomb

Attacks all enemies with a bright flash of light to stun the enemies for 1 turn with a 60% chance and decreases the Attack Bar by 50% with a 100% chance. This attack won't land as a Glancing Hit. (Reusable in 6 turns)

Levels

Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

4.3*{ATK}

Pos. Effects

Guaranteed Not Glance Hit

Neg. Effects

Stun (1 round(s))
Decrease ATB (50%)

sharp smelt Mar 13, 2025, 4:15 AM

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WICKED

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:16 AM

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POGGI

fossil dragonBOT Mar 13, 2025, 4:16 AM

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Woochi (Wind Taoist)

Wikia

1. Fake Attack

Performs an unpredictable attack and decreases the target's Attack Power for 1 turn. This attack will also increase the target's chance of landing a Glancing Hit for 1 turn if this attack lands as a Critical Hit.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%

Multiplier

3.7*{ATK}

2. Burning Desert

Attacks all enemies 2 times with a sandstorm and decreases the Attack Bar by 30% with a 30% chance for each attack. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

1.4*{ATK} x2

3. Magic Flute

Attacks all enemies by playing the magic flute and sets their Attack Bar to 0. In addition, decreases the skill cooldown time of all allies by 1 turn each. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

4.3*{ATK}

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:16 AM

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^ used him a couple times into BC

sharp smelt Mar 13, 2025, 4:17 AM

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im pretty sure you want a stun/freeze unit in that slot

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might be wrong tho

hollow frost Mar 13, 2025, 4:17 AM

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probably do

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he does give a good amount of push back though, I would be reliant on my 2 despair seal sets

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 4:21 AM

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yea you want hard cc

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I also run 2 despair/seals with rosemary (can make it work on her high base)

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when I cant use rosemary I have to drop a seal set

buoyant wraith Mar 13, 2025, 3:05 PM

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balmy mantle simi is super bad at summoning

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?????????????????????

simple pelican Mar 13, 2025, 3:07 PM

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its true!

buoyant wraith Mar 13, 2025, 3:37 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/panda-huahua-gif-1476795351732195837

Tenor

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susge

fading sable Mar 13, 2025, 3:42 PM

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he lost all that luck when he became an advisor postthisdog

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 2:06 AM

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box update cuz the pinned one was 2 months old

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 2:06 AM

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simple pelican

silk ice Mar 14, 2025, 2:13 AM

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chilly bough defense was destroyer of worlds

Destroyed my world. Doesnt haunt me anymore though. Sry for random reply I was reading through this thread

sharp smelt Mar 14, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Whats cv

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I hate short versions of offenses ReallyMad

silk ice Mar 14, 2025, 2:14 AM

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It was our guild

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Scarlet was our lead

sharp smelt Mar 14, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Ohh i thought its a goofy offense shortened xdd

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 2:17 AM

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worry

wraith meadow Mar 14, 2025, 2:17 AM

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please keep random comments out of help threads

static iris Mar 14, 2025, 2:29 AM

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wraith meadow please keep random comments out of help threads

i think ur taking it a lil too seriously

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dont think anyone cares

wraith meadow Mar 14, 2025, 2:36 AM

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this isnt #general-sw , idle chat doesnt belong in here, just like with any other help threads

safe escarp Mar 14, 2025, 2:38 AM

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anywaysa

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u should make more my

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 2:39 AM

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I dont have worry

sharp smelt Mar 14, 2025, 2:39 AM

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More chillings are also nice, but you'll kinda know what dupes you need/want when you start playing in g3 sieges

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 2:40 AM

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yea for now I dont need them yet, Im pretty sure I do have a few chillings in shrine

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ill use those for energy 6*s frfr

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 3:44 PM

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all look pretty standard, dont think theres anything to remark here WhateverYouSay

delicate spruce Mar 14, 2025, 3:52 PM

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use nora over one of rica/bellenus for r4

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you want a backup stripper

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 3:53 PM

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ah yeah that makes sense ty

buoyant wraith Mar 14, 2025, 3:56 PM

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delicate spruce use nora over one of rica/bellenus for r4

Don’t you want a buffer? Riley or somethin to tank the def breaks & keep hae passive useful?

delicate spruce Mar 14, 2025, 4:03 PM

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buoyant wraith Don’t you want a buffer? Riley or somethin to tank the def breaks & keep hae pas...

there's 2 styles to these haegang comps

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one of them is to use a buffer like riley/louise

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the other is to just do 2 damage and kill stuff

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i prefer the latter myself

fluid coral Mar 14, 2025, 4:20 PM

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simple pelican all look pretty standard, dont think theres anything to remark here <:WhateverYo...

Swift masha WhateverYouSay

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 4:20 PM

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WhateverYouSay

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oops

safe escarp Mar 14, 2025, 4:22 PM

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V op, simi

simple pelican Mar 14, 2025, 4:30 PM

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worry

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 4:53 PM

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big julie fail, perna can solo maybe? but it was full will and I didnt even kill anything
standard hg, sav wanted to win with her procs but it was fine
never used this before, @fallen ginkgo gave the idea of eladriel diana triana, I dont have eladriel sadly so I tried with betta. Odin went for triana and I lost her on open, (after reviving triana she died a turn later too)
was a bit scared of ashour but windy tanked him nicely
probably not the best choice, tetra came close to dying a few times and crawler did not get a lot of stacks so It was hard to kill anything

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1)-2) shouldve switched dom and seara
4) didnt know how to hit this yet (this was first round of wgb), I would do triana miles betta I think

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:43 PM

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Hmmm

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9R is not quite right

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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the doublesnipe?

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Double snipe is correct. Covenant is incorrect

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Yes

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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hmm

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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You just kill Odin twice and enjoy your win

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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ohh kahli dejj

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or my own odin

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Well no

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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just anything that snipes odin again

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Because Kahli is being used

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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oh right

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Odin is very good

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But

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The problem is

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Ophelia can be a bit annoying here too right

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And bonk him

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So

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:45 PM

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worry yes

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:45 PM

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Do we have another option here

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It doesn't even need to be an ignore def unit if you think about it

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:45 PM

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mihyang sonia

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I think mihyang can snipe odin for the second time

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Mihyang Hraesvelg Sonia?

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:46 PM

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yes

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:46 PM

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But the clean up is annoying still

nova spindle Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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do u have claire simi

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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I dont

nova spindle Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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oh ok

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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Claire would be an obvious answer

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But there's other options, plenty of them

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Again it doesn't even have to be an ignore unit

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Fire zenitsu even would work

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:48 PM

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ok I didnt think that far haha

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:48 PM

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Honestly any element zeni works

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Even wind because he has his passive

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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odin revive is in s4 range right?

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Yes

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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ok yeah zenitsu against odins is something I can do

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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20% HP is what you get revived with

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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never thought about that

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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Its new so most people haven't and this is a bad defense

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 7:51 PM

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pepestudy ty ill keep that in mind

fluid coral Mar 20, 2025, 8:00 PM

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chilly bough 20% HP is what you get revived with

Not necessarily

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Shield is common which makes it 40

chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 8:45 PM

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fluid coral Shield is common which makes it 40

Wait how does he have shield set after dying and getting revived

fluid coral Mar 20, 2025, 8:47 PM

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chilly bough Wait how does he have shield set after dying and getting revived

worry

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?scarlet

chrome echoBOT Mar 20, 2025, 8:47 PM

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idiot advisor nice reading comprehension

fossil dragonBOT Mar 20, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Odin (Wind Lightning Emperor)

Wikia

3. Legacy of Knowledge (Passive)

Attacks the enemy while ignoring the enemy's Defense by 15% for every Knowledge you have whenever you attack. If you have 5 Knowledge, use all of your Knowledge to attack while ignoring the enemy's Defense and having attribute advantage. In addition, if you get defeated while having Knowledge, you will use all of your Knowledge to be revived with 20% HP per Knowledge used. [Automatic Effect] (Reusable in 11 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

Pos. Effects

Ignore DEF (15%)
Revive (20%)
Spend Knowledge
Elemental Advantage

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 9:01 PM

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simicat

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wait @fluid coral

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oh nvm

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I was gonna say smth stupid

fluid coral Mar 20, 2025, 9:03 PM

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simple pelican I was gonna say smth stupid

Say it anyways

simple pelican Mar 20, 2025, 9:05 PM

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I was gonna say

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if u snipe Odin you snipe the shield away

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but it still has the knowledge FatDogIDK

fluid coral Mar 20, 2025, 9:07 PM

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chilly bough Mar 20, 2025, 9:21 PM

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Oh yeah

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I can't read

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I forgot about that part

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Oops

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No zenitsu

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Go another normal snipe unit

simple pelican Mar 24, 2025, 9:20 PM

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im confused on how to trap leo, trying to make this wgb def anti leo

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I just thought I dump all into stats but I cant get a single win against my own jlh

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:41 PM

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This may sound weird but you want speed when you trap Leo

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So that killing Leo actually does something

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Let's look at this from a simpler perspective of trying to trap JLH

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I can tell you right away why you aren't winning

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What does +20k HP on theomars do

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Go very high damage with higher accuracy

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There's no reason Clara shouldn't be max acc

safe escarp Mar 24, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Yeah- do go v high acc

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:43 PM

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I'm not an expert on trapping Leo honestly but those are some things I immediately look at and see an issue with

safe escarp Mar 24, 2025, 9:43 PM

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I’d just aim for 205 tick tbh, so u actually so something after killing Leo like scarlet mentioned and u still have an ok chance at dealing with other offenses

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Theomars you really want high damage, tankiness doesn't hurt of course but you want him to go sicko mode

safe escarp Mar 24, 2025, 9:43 PM

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239 if ur runes r not dog water (esp with spd lead)

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Yeah

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If your runes were better I'd go 239 for sure

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But with your rune quality I'd stick to 205 too probably

safe escarp Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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PB might just be the goat at Leo trapping

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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He is

open zephyr Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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The times it feels the scariest is when its strip > obliv > big damage that leo usually negates or when somethign is just hella damage anyway

safe escarp Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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And my advice is from observing PB’s builds

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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Leo trap scientist

open zephyr Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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like the closest i come to losing is when there's a def break rakan or something that just hits 40ks out of nwohere

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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Well there's no oblivion in this case right

delicate spruce Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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the biggest thing is you just need more damage

open zephyr Mar 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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No just an example

delicate spruce Mar 24, 2025, 9:45 PM

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you don't need to go super slow speed like already mentioned

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btw a lot of the times a leo trap build wins for us, it's not even trapping a leo team

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you know the def i made that got a win against sf? they didn't use leo against it

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same thing for some of PB's def wins too

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:45 PM

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Which one

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The Kiara sav?

delicate spruce Mar 24, 2025, 9:46 PM

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yes

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the reason it won was just because it was super high dmg

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just nuked something right off the bat

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 9:46 PM

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I too am a fan of equity vs multiple defenses

delicate spruce Mar 24, 2025, 9:46 PM

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i think calling these things "leo traps" leads people astray

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i'd rather call them "high damage builds" where you can sacrifice some speed to get that damage

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they give you a better chance vs leo teams, but also other counters too

buoyant wraith Mar 24, 2025, 9:55 PM

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delicate spruce you know the def i made that got a win against sf? they didn't use leo against i...

What is this legendary defense

simple pelican Mar 24, 2025, 10:06 PM

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I might not have the runes for this haha

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ill give it another go

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thanks for this wall of advice

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 10:17 PM

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Kiara savannah something

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I forget

delicate spruce Mar 24, 2025, 10:50 PM

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my point was i tried to build a def to trap leo (slow and high dmg) and it ended up winning against a non-leo team

simple pelican Mar 24, 2025, 11:01 PM

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for artis, does it make sense to go +wind leftside on sav an theo?

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or go full cd lines

delicate spruce Mar 24, 2025, 11:05 PM

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always +ele left side

simple pelican Mar 24, 2025, 11:13 PM

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also, does it make sense to move theo to will?
I put him on revenge now but if leo lands pushback on theo t1 I really dont do anything

chilly bough Mar 24, 2025, 11:17 PM

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No run revenge

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I mean test it

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But probably revenge will yield you more wins

simple pelican Mar 24, 2025, 11:24 PM

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ill do some more testing

safe escarp Mar 25, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Gl simi

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(I’d clear this def regardless of high dmg)

simple pelican Mar 25, 2025, 1:39 AM

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yeah its a problem, so do I

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especially when testing jeanne leo helena

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helena starts going off and its just over

chilly bough Mar 25, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Post builds

simple pelican Mar 25, 2025, 1:40 AM

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Sadge its not done yet

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need grinds

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but ill show what i have now

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safe escarp Mar 25, 2025, 2:30 AM

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so op...

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 8:54 PM

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first wgb hits:
2) can I consider this safe? sniped brita with bethony and ritesh with fire kass
I have never done a 1v3 against ashour before, figured praline can tank enough before I manage to kill ashour
3) felt fine again, I do think theres some stuff that can go wrong
5) first time hitting this defense, thought of chow but didnt really know how to rune him here, eventually went for atk%/cd/hp% with around +23k hp, was still very close to dying on open, maybe run hp%/cd/hp% next time on lower dmg?

safe escarp Mar 26, 2025, 10:30 PM

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sure on chow change but u should use a wind tank in 5R in case ur racuni gets 2 tapped (wmk, eveng feng, can try new gyomei, etc)

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:35 PM

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hmm yeah I see

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ty

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second batch

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not the safest hyanes but it seemed safer than double snipe (I dont know how else to hit this)
standard julie warning , wasnt trapped but galleon missed everything. couldve lost
I think im doing something wrong in piloting, almost lost destroy race
I try to kill mihyang first, then vritra and leave cichlid for last, it takes a very long time to kill mihyang tho due to all of the sustain. maybe leftside also adds for windy instead of -dark?

chilly bough Mar 26, 2025, 10:41 PM

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Stop posting here you didn't lose

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Stupid

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(gz 10-0, offenses look ok overall, I would change r5 on first one but otherwise honestly this looks pretty good with your box)

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:42 PM

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chilly bough Stop posting here you didn't lose

majj you can win with bad offenses

chilly bough Mar 26, 2025, 10:42 PM

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Was windy on a damage build?

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:42 PM

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sec ill show windy

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I use this build for everything lol

chilly bough Mar 26, 2025, 10:43 PM

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Just switch to crate 4

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And keep rest

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Full adds

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Try to not hit cichlid shield

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:44 PM

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im not sure what you mean by that/why

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you mean switch target when something has shield?

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to keep up with destroy?

safe escarp Mar 26, 2025, 10:50 PM

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simple pelican second batch

3R- most likely dont need both vero and juno, u want a water unit to tank byung (OR IS THAT FIRED BYUNG?)

4R- abuse 5* in isgw

5R- seems good; a lot of ppl use kh/water bird/ shren and snipe carc too (I doubt random guilds would run swift carc)

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:51 PM

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I would be scared to get outsped by miles to be honest on 5r

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especially on second swift

safe escarp Mar 26, 2025, 10:51 PM

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that's fine- khmun being stunned doesnt stop u from using bird s2--> shren s2 to snipe carc

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:52 PM

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oh right its fire!

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also on 4r, uhhh yea if its a 4* def I know how to hit, im scared to put random 5*s in it since it would be a first time using it dogkek

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what 5* abuse would you recommend in 4r?

fallen ginkgo Mar 26, 2025, 10:53 PM

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Honestly leo feng seems kinda beefy there

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Mihyang damage is cut, vritra revenge only makes feng yan faster, etc

simple pelican Mar 26, 2025, 10:55 PM

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I would have to try it, never lost with tetra kunite against this tho

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I also have more confidence in my kunite and windy runes than in my feng runes

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(I dont have feng runes)

safe escarp Mar 26, 2025, 10:55 PM

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u could have pulled out ur chow against for 4R tbh

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but yea i just blind feng thatt no cap

simple pelican Mar 29, 2025, 10:32 PM

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only realized I had no sustain when I entered the battle, thank god fire monkey is op
bad julie, I honestly dont know what else to do here

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I liked 1), but maybe I Just runegapped

chilly bough Mar 29, 2025, 11:07 PM

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no 1 sucks

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dominic will make lulu/miles stew

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5R you can probably juno +2 if you have juno

simple pelican Mar 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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o wow I forgot about juno

simple pelican Mar 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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chilly bough dominic will make lulu/miles stew

I was afraid of this, runegap it is

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I struggled to figure out what to use to tank dom here

sharp smelt Mar 29, 2025, 11:21 PM

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Talc businejj

fossil dragonBOT Mar 29, 2025, 11:26 PM

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Talc (Water Battle Mammoth)

Wikia

3. Trained Skin (Passive)

Decreases the inflicted damage by half if the damage is less than 20% of my MAX HP. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Decrease Damage (50%)

simple pelican Mar 29, 2025, 11:26 PM

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right WhateverYouSay

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and then miles -> some fire bruiser that strips

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how is wind monkey talc eshir

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hmjj

chilly bough Mar 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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Not eshir

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Cleanse needed

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Xing isn't bad, he should end up stripping dom a good amount

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Racuni or harm

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Probably just Racuni

simple pelican Mar 30, 2025, 12:55 AM

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I actually ran full tank xing lol

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was afraid that perna + dom can kill

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I need to get better at identifying these things dejj

chilly bough Mar 30, 2025, 1:07 AM

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it's okay

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you won

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fuck the haters

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 8:36 PM

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first g3 siege:

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 8:38 PM

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?dontsnipe

chrome echoBOT Apr 1, 2025, 8:38 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/111620344564965376/1335006876198375486/image.png?ex=679e998a&is=679d480a&hm=7054ed64dfd58634f85d3a9fb03a726d1f68981bf66b9c01d9e60e9e4a2704fb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 8:39 PM

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bolv
thought this would be nice, had a hard time killing ophilia tho, dont know if I could have lost this
felt like a good one for rosemary
if I went attack lead I wouldve won, kumar lived on 1%
I think this is a build issue? only tested it twice before going in and my dias just got deleted after a few turns (I couldnt kill misty since vigor kept proccing into s2)
scouted, only taranys was will
this isnt very safe, looking into safer things
scouted
forgot colleen heals and boosts gapsoo, almost lost
ffa hit, siege was already won

balmy mantle Apr 1, 2025, 8:39 PM

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Two for one on that hit

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 8:39 PM

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uhh yea I havent had any issues sniping byung with bethony hmjj but im aware it can live

balmy mantle Apr 1, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Brita also had dmg reduction

fallen ginkgo Apr 1, 2025, 8:42 PM

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5 just seems like a bad comp in my opinion. Dias can die to Misty pretty easily and if Vigor decides to S3 Tetra he can roast her too. Plus I don't think you have a ton of damage.

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 8:44 PM

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balmy mantle Brita also had dmg reduction

I didnt snipe her tho shrug

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 8:45 PM

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fallen ginkgo 5 just seems like a bad comp in my opinion. Dias can die to Misty pretty easily ...

hmm yea probably

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:27 PM

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simple pelican first g3 siege:

2 should be gapsoo imo

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:28 PM

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thought about other none spd lead options, went for safety to not get a random swift ophilia or something

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Bruiser with gapsoo

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:28 PM

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oh

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didnt consider that

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:29 PM

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That’s why I’m telling u

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It’s pretty egregious to have 2 light units and one do nothing tank, and on top of that a dark tank healer that hard counters one of those light units

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:30 PM

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im not good at on the spot bruiser solutions haha

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:30 PM

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See Audrey slam gapsoo

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When possible ofc

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What was the thought process for 9 lol

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:32 PM

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double snipe

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:32 PM

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Weird booster

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I guess tanking brita and sniping other two l

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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ye

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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yea that was the idea

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completely forgot about colleen healing

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Klo is there some meph thing for 3?

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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dont have him

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Oh, me neither

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Anyways klo beat me to it

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But

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?dontsnipe

chrome echoBOT Apr 1, 2025, 9:35 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/111620344564965376/1335006876198375486/image.png?ex=679e998a&is=679d480a&hm=7054ed64dfd58634f85d3a9fb03a726d1f68981bf66b9c01d9e60e9e4a2704fb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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I really thought byung was usually fine with bethony

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but I guess not

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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If u like to lose ye

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Or if your name is kloheizung u might be able to get away with it

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I like to lose so I do it

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For kumar brita, how would u bruiser it

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Kumar brita + wind

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:41 PM

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buoyant wraith Klo is there some meph thing for 3?

not something I can think of

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we just used mephisto for taranys defs

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or wind spectre

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:41 PM

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Fair enough

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:41 PM

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I dont think we had gapsoo defs on eu either, unlike you guys

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:42 PM

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I think u see them less higher up too? Didn’t see em in tourney I think

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Lexy sounds funny into Gapsoo Perna tho

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Evilge

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:42 PM

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She blocks healing right

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I know a lotta ppl like her

fossil dragonBOT Apr 1, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Lexy (Fire Assassin)

Wikia

3. Deadly Seduction(Passive)

Decreases the HP recovery amount that all Monsters receive by 50%. Increases your Attack Bar by 15%, up to 60%, whenever an enemy recovers HP. After enemies recover HP 5 times, you will inflict damage that ignores the enemy's Defense on your next turn. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Ignore DEF
Increase ATB (15%)

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:43 PM

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O that’s funny lol

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https://tenor.com/view/wickedsteer-wicked-pepe-steer-gif-25014625

Tenor

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:45 PM

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I can check out the lexy stuff worry

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they ran this def quite a lot

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:46 PM

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buoyant wraith Kumar brita + wind

@simple pelican

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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I would do the belligerent tech thing im not allowed to leak Evilge

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but I dont have the unit for it

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Did we have tech for that

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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smh

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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not for that but it works there too

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Simi really be saying hehe I have tech you dont

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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I don’t think u need tech for that…

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Don’t be cringe and just leak

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:48 PM

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buoyant wraith I don’t think u need tech for that…

I might not

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but if it works why not

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Just slam tractor

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There’s only 1.5 defense breakers…

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Water +2 wind clears no?

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:49 PM

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it should, I think

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yea it shouldnt be hard

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I just dont think about bruisering angles during siege

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they take longer for me to think about and rune up

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Well, time for u to start

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Lol

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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and this was pretty early in the siege I think when we were taking 9

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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We have jayke that refuses to cleave and simi that refuses to bruiser

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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or retaking

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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I'm jayke

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

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The dynamic duo

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Cleaving is lame

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

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cleave as much as you want if you do it properly

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Bedge

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

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OMEGALUL

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I dont refuse to bruiser

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I refuse to bruiser without testing

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

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ICANT

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Cleaving without testing however..

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Simi, imo if u see two light units and don’t think abt a dark tank

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that’s pretty

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susge

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

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I thought about lushen first

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Any double element Def that can't rng Def break = single tank

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

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its my first instinct

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can I cleave this

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Well

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Something to work on lol

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 9:54 PM

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JUST CLEAVE

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 9:55 PM

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simple pelican I didnt snipe her tho <:shrug:381546745089228801>

u left brita as last?

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:55 PM

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I did yeah

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I mean I dont see any other option if I double snipe it

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 9:57 PM

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might as well go fire string/fire pup girl+ 2 snipers so brita targets ur supp

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just double ld snipers only since aint no way they have -light/dark

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 9:58 PM

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Fire who?

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:58 PM

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colleen?

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 9:58 PM

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wait i forgot about colleen

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she works too

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 9:59 PM

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uh I think my only other ld snipe is

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shren

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oh taru too

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oh you meant fire dog girl

buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 10:01 PM

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Who tf

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:01 PM

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buoyant wraith Apr 1, 2025, 10:02 PM

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Damn I totally forgot those existed

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:02 PM

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same

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until bp came out...

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:02 PM

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yea shes a booster now

fossil dragonBOT Apr 1, 2025, 10:03 PM

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Yeji and Sapsaree (Fire Dokkaebi Princess and Sapsaree)

Wikia

3. Gold Please!

Grants Immunity for 2 turns on allies and increases their Attack Power for 2 turns. Additionally, increases the Attack Bar of the target ally by 15%. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1

Pos. Effects

Immunity (2 round(s))
Increase ATK (2 round(s))
Increase ATB (15%)

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:04 PM

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ah crap I might have fed her for ld pieces worry

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:05 PM

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but ultimately klo is right tho- dont snipe those against top 2 guilds

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but snipe away in the meantime...

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 10:07 PM

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I would send it into anyone, i like to limit test my runes businejj

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:07 PM

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PepeLaugh

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:07 PM

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The limit does not exist...

balmy mantle Apr 1, 2025, 10:13 PM

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That was the week simi got his hair cut

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:13 PM

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worry

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:20 PM

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How do you like the mimirr Loren elucia off

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It's just a modern day khmun variant

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:20 PM

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Ive tested it a lot into ashour brita taranys if only one will

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Its solid

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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I assume you Loren the taranys and elucia the Brita?

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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and I think currently my best option for that def

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Wait no elucia kumar

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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open zephyr I assume you Loren the taranys and elucia the Brita?

elucia goes on kumar

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since thats a must cc

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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My phone autocorrected when I said Kumar the first time

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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my guildies are having fun throwing wind cyborg robo conrad into that

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Bedge

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

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yeah I dont have conrad

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Sadge

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:22 PM

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Should I built some robo Conrad offs

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They seem ok into 3x bruiser comps

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:22 PM

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shrug

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real quick, finally changing the dhomie s1 to single hit,
wouldnt it also be nicer for me to go for the other s2? I dont have verad so stun > defbreak makes sense to me

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 10:26 PM

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why single hit

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isnti multi hit better

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:27 PM

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scarlet told me hmjj

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 10:27 PM

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i like funny adds s1

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its aids for toa hell tho

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:27 PM

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I think single hit is also 'slightly' safer into tl

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but

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thats not a lot

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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fair enough

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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but yeah im not sure where the strip is needed

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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It's just a backup in case you miss

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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maybe if dhomie misses s2 strip and procs

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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P much

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:50 PM

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i agree with halo

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can i get a helper progression check

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:51 PM

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12%

fading sable Apr 1, 2025, 10:51 PM

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you dont get helper just for saying "i agree with x" or giving redundant advice btw

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:51 PM

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It's ok he knows that just doing "I agree" is negative points

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:51 PM

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i was unaware that results in NEGATIVE PTS

fading sable Apr 1, 2025, 10:51 PM

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PepeLaugh

open zephyr Apr 1, 2025, 10:52 PM

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I told you last week

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:52 PM

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i dont recall but that's wild...!

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:53 PM

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simple pelican real quick, finally changing the dhomie s1 to single hit, wouldnt it also be ni...

k1d is v cool with dark homie too btw

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 10:54 PM

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dont hab worry

safe escarp Apr 1, 2025, 10:54 PM

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same

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i see guildies use him plus another atb pusher

chilly bough Apr 1, 2025, 11:10 PM

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simple pelican I think single hit is also 'slightly' safer into tl

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this is why its better

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:10 PM

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doesnt the other one do this too?

chilly bough Apr 1, 2025, 11:10 PM

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even if you miss s2 and you proc you have another chance to strip

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:10 PM

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oh

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s1

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yeah

chilly bough Apr 1, 2025, 11:10 PM

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simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:11 PM

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simple pelican maybe if dhomie misses s2 strip and procs

yea figured here^^

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 11:13 PM

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chilly bough

"each" frfr

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god we love c2u

chilly bough Apr 1, 2025, 11:14 PM

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I think honestly most of the time you win as long as you get your most important strips out

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i mean most of the time you win

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in general

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unless you bring it into the wrong place..

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 11:15 PM

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you can still win even if you bring it into the wrong place

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:15 PM

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gonna admit its a lot harder finding places for rosemary

chilly bough Apr 1, 2025, 11:15 PM

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honestly true this comp is the bees knees

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it is but you're finding places

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gurhs

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and you're winning

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so you're just goated

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:16 PM

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frfr

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 11:17 PM

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I brought it into wind zenitsu

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and it was hella funny

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xdd

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:17 PM

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HUH

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?fun

chrome echoBOT Apr 1, 2025, 11:17 PM

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This is #1047269577614164098 : We give advice on efficient progress

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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i thought its dark

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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?entrei

chrome echoBOT Apr 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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Roses are grey
Violets are grey
Everything's grey
I'm colorblind like Entrei

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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luvv

simple pelican Apr 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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we have a command for everything...

sharp smelt Apr 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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?reasontonotenditall

balmy mantle Apr 2, 2025, 12:10 AM

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safe escarp i dont recall but that's wild...!

“I agree with sokker” is worth triple positive points tho

simple pelican Apr 2, 2025, 12:11 AM

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sadly its hard to agree with you....

safe escarp Apr 2, 2025, 12:17 AM

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o ok- good to know...

severe moon Apr 3, 2025, 4:34 PM

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poking for visibility to follow my buddy simi

solar moth Apr 3, 2025, 5:00 PM

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sharp smelt my guildies are having fun throwing wind cyborg robo conrad into that

Ew

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Conrad robo into that def is troll

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ReallyMad

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 2:04 AM

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simi

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u have wind zeni?

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this odin/adrianna/wind zeni about to be meta for a while...

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Classic

buoyant wraith Apr 5, 2025, 2:07 AM

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safe escarp this odin/adrianna/wind zeni about to be meta for a while...

What’s this

open zephyr Apr 5, 2025, 3:36 AM

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@simple pelican

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This aint general

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🙃

simple pelican Apr 5, 2025, 6:44 AM

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safe escarp this odin/adrianna/wind zeni about to be meta for a while...

I only have odin of this…

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 12:58 PM

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Wow that’s kind of crazy

sharp smelt Apr 5, 2025, 1:44 PM

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Simi fed Adriana and Wind Zeni

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 5:59 PM

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safe escarp this odin/adrianna/wind zeni about to be meta for a while...

Hopefully it’s food

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xdd

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:00 PM

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LEAK TECH, SCUTI

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apoc needs ur assistance...

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Tssk

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Refer to @sharp smelt for tech

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:01 PM

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tru

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klo is the goat

sharp smelt Apr 5, 2025, 6:01 PM

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evilge

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:01 PM

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frfr

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:02 PM

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poggershype

chilly bough Apr 5, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Increases your Attack Speed for 2 turns, then attacks the target once and random enemies 5 times. The faster your Attack Speed, the greater the damage becomes. When attacking, stuns targets for 1 turn with a 30% chance. (Reusable in 4 turns).

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:04 PM

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but hear out klo's +2

sharp smelt Apr 5, 2025, 6:05 PM

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enough leaks Alarm

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:05 PM

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scheme

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:05 PM

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hiding tech, smh

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:06 PM

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Guys laika is good into this!

If you fight null and we run this please use laika!!

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:06 PM

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we losing to null anyways... Bedge

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u in pending this season, right?

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:07 PM

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I have 2 accs

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shdd

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 6:07 PM

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that's a lot of frickn passion

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:07 PM

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One in pending one in null

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 6:08 PM

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safe escarp that's a lot of frickn passion

PainChamp

simple pelican Apr 5, 2025, 6:14 PM

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worry

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this is a lot of yap

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 7:12 PM

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simple pelican this is a lot of yap

Gotta keep the activity up…

simple pelican Apr 5, 2025, 7:12 PM

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my hits werent worth posting worry

wraith meadow Apr 5, 2025, 7:13 PM

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safe escarp Gotta keep the activity up…

that is not what these threads are for, its not #general-sw

fading sable Apr 5, 2025, 7:14 PM

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simple pelican my hits werent worth posting <:worry:949284539690262558>

post them anyway so people can make fun of your hits

safe escarp Apr 5, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Oh ok… I’ll just wait for simi to face these defs before referencing them

simple pelican Apr 5, 2025, 7:18 PM

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you can teach me how to beat it here worry

solar moth Apr 5, 2025, 9:09 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/emoji-shock-gif-6475834490877121384

Tenor

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Alright simi drop hits

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frfr

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 2:29 PM

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wgb set 1:

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sonia actually outsped my kahli, mistake in runing. still won
standard
standard
snipe eladriel -> shun
I think this is fine, was a bit scared of not having enough sustain but I just killed everything with mhw in a few turns

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I do need more snipe runes and fast swift sets. runing 3 cleaves in one wgb set was a reality check

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 3:25 PM

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Nice job. I would like to see a Racuni in 5R instead

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The reason being shahat heal blocks on s1

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 3:27 PM

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over juno right?

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well thats not a question worry

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 3:30 PM

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Next time for this comp you want Kahli moving first so she can use her s3!

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 3:30 PM

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worry do not leak

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 3:30 PM

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Sorry I'm being a little shit

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Yes over Juno

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A good amount of the time Juno is better but if there is healblock you need Racuni

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 3:31 PM

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pepestudy noted

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Unless you decide to run a Vero pairing

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 3:31 PM

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I thought about it for a bit

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but thought juno healing would be more

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but yea healblock dejj

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good thing shahat died t2

delicate spruce Apr 9, 2025, 3:57 PM

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or just dont dont run anything besides juno and then nothing can get heal blocked and you don't have to worry about it 🙂

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i honestly think you can 1v3 this def so its whatever

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 3:57 PM

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Lmao it's true

fluid coral Apr 9, 2025, 4:26 PM

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delicate spruce i honestly think you can 1v3 this def so its whatever

You can probably get out healed ngl if they’re on destroy you can just lose

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Destroy shahat will probably kill Juno before Juno kills him

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 5:49 PM

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second set:

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I still dont love this, but its my best answer
plan was to finish off jeogun with a swift seara, it was full will (still won)
?dontsnipebut figured with bethony, no hp lead and my atk lead it would be fine
I wanted to julie this first, lot of cleaves in this set already so went for hyanes (julie would be on budget runes)
same as first set, fixed the tuning this time

delicate spruce Apr 9, 2025, 8:21 PM

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seara is a bit awkward as a random lead for lushen team, you could use khmun if mihyang is being used elsewhere

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for 3 did you snipe byung with beth first?

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 8:34 PM

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delicate spruce for 3 did you snipe byung with beth first?

I did yes

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 8:34 PM

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delicate spruce seara is a bit awkward as a random lead for lushen team, you could use khmun if ...

yea khmun wouldve been much better, was looking at things to make sure jeogun dies right after lushen nukes, but couldnt really find anything

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better to get that extra help from khmun then in the 2v3

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altho I would be racing with a big disadvantage if swift

solar moth Apr 9, 2025, 10:12 PM

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simple pelican wgb set 1:

You and ttw the first def

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 10:13 PM

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does carc not destroy windy

solar moth Apr 9, 2025, 10:14 PM

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meh but anyone who runs this def will not rune it properly

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 10:29 PM

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simple pelican does carc not destroy windy

He does, just snipe it, TWT isn't a good comp for you anyways, your runes suck

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 10:30 PM

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my swifts are lowkey worse tho worry

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 10:30 PM

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Farm better runes

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Or buy them

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 10:30 PM

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worry

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 10:31 PM

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PepeSwiper

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 10:31 PM

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my bank account has the same number

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Nice

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Dp123 affordable

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Send it

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 10:31 PM

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hmjj

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 10:31 PM

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(I'm out of crystals too)

open zephyr Apr 9, 2025, 10:48 PM

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My bank account says -500k send help

solar moth Apr 9, 2025, 11:27 PM

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If you cant kill a high dmg carc fast enough that is def a rune issue then

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PainChamp

simple pelican Apr 9, 2025, 11:29 PM

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high dmg carc can 2 tap windy or something

chilly bough Apr 9, 2025, 11:51 PM

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open zephyr My bank account says -500k send help

neko_Proud

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Love to see the homies thriving

balmy mantle Apr 10, 2025, 12:45 AM

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open zephyr My bank account says -500k send help

Tell the bank it’s an overflow error and they owe you money

open zephyr Apr 10, 2025, 12:46 AM

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They said it was underflow. It's now -800

balmy mantle Apr 10, 2025, 12:49 AM

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Win some, lose some ig. Gg go next

simple pelican Apr 22, 2025, 9:57 PM

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9-1: last hit was this loss
brain kinda turned off for this one

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I keep wanting to use aya but cant find decent pairings with her

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my current conclusion is, stop using her

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I keep forgetting I cant properly use half of my heals here, or I cleanse myself

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and then nobara just dies to a single proc when defbroken

delicate spruce Apr 22, 2025, 10:02 PM

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simple pelican my current conclusion is, stop using her

this is a good conclusion. i'm sure there could be specific cases where she's good, but for the most part she's just way overhyped

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i forgot what your box was like but if you have units like cami or juno, those are great with vero/tetra/racuni etc

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and you can just bruiser it

chilly bough Apr 22, 2025, 10:06 PM

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simple pelican 9-1: last hit was this loss brain kinda turned off for this one

Man what the fuck

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You guys know how to beat Nana byungchul stop using this shit

simple pelican Apr 22, 2025, 10:06 PM

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you guys is not me

chilly bough Apr 22, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Belligerent has many answers

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Check the threads

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rightnow

simple pelican Apr 22, 2025, 10:06 PM

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I will have to search again majj

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o wait I got my conrad HOH now Gladge I can use that

sharp smelt Apr 22, 2025, 10:09 PM

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also nana acc lead with neph goes crazy

chilly bough Apr 22, 2025, 10:09 PM

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sharp smelt also nana acc lead with neph goes crazy

This is a good defense dude

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What do you mean

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It beats.. uh.. that

sharp smelt Apr 22, 2025, 10:10 PM

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(TL Owner)

simple pelican Apr 22, 2025, 10:10 PM

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worryGasp

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I had 50 minutes for 8 hits Sadge too little time for me

frail shell Apr 22, 2025, 10:29 PM

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simple pelican 9-1: last hit was this loss brain kinda turned off for this one

Hyanes hoh!!!

simple pelican Apr 22, 2025, 10:31 PM

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I just picked it Gladge

buoyant wraith Apr 23, 2025, 12:08 AM

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delicate spruce this is a good conclusion. i'm sure there could be specific cases where she's go...

How much do you like raoq? I’d be somewhat worried about him killing the neph revive

delicate spruce Apr 23, 2025, 12:08 AM

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dont use raoq

buoyant wraith Apr 23, 2025, 12:29 AM

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In general?

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Would u use the qeb Odin raoq into nana byung zeratu?

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Or just no raoq at all

delicate spruce Apr 23, 2025, 12:32 AM

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no raoq at all

frail shell Apr 23, 2025, 12:47 AM

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Raoq was cool until I ran into swift byungs

chilly bough Apr 23, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Or -fire byung

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And you fail to resnipe

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ummm

fallen ginkgo Apr 23, 2025, 2:49 AM

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Or nem byung.

sharp smelt Apr 23, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Glad this shit never got meta on eu

buoyant wraith Apr 23, 2025, 3:27 AM

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chilly bough Or -fire byung

You’re supposed to hit the ld twice

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In theory

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But i guess it’s bad anyways

solar moth Apr 24, 2025, 6:11 PM

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chilly bough Or -fire byung

You don’t snipe byung with roaq team

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ono

chilly bough Apr 24, 2025, 6:31 PM

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If you leave byung for last you can just get solo'd gurhs but anyways these raoq lines suck

buoyant wraith Apr 24, 2025, 7:47 PM

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chilly bough If you leave byung for last you can just get solo'd <:gurhs:1184963878468198512>...

He doesn’t kill qeb is the idea… but ye apparently it sucks I guess

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 9:51 PM

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I have a question regarding the spread of swift sets:
If I get a wgb set like this where I cleave practically every defense, I find it hard to identify where to use what swift set

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for this I ran +220 adriana, and then +205 on the other cleaves

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(I had also hit this exact same set before, we faced this guild a few weeks ago)

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 9:56 PM

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The practical answer is don’t cleave 4x

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 9:56 PM

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but yeah my assumptions were:

pretty low base (assuming eludia moves first), bernard already races with a big advantage, can put a slower swift here
no swifts used here
I guess I have never been outsped on this defense? not sure if a lot of people run this vio or not
this looked like the most likely defense to have topset to me, also barely a positive race
this defense is just weird, I remembered nothing being swift here

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 9:56 PM

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5 loses to haegang

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For example

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 9:57 PM

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is chiwu not anti- haegang?

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 9:57 PM

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worry

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 9:57 PM

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am I stupid worryGasp

fossil dragonBOT May 7, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Chiwu (Fire Sage)

Wikia

3. Sleeve Attack

Attacks all enemies with world devouring powers to remove the beneficial effects on all enemies and decrease their Attack Bar by 30% each. Afterwards, increases the chance of landing a Glancing Hit for 2 turns. This attack will deal more damage according to your Attack Speed. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

{ATK}*({SPD} + 200)/90

Pos. Effects

Absorb ATB (30%)

Neg. Effects

Remove Buff
Glancing Hit (2 round(s))

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Seee the glancing debuff

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FatCatIDK

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-30% +40%

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hg boosts 10%

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Compared to pushback

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 9:58 PM

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I think I read hgs skill wrong WhateverYouSay

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ok yes I did, too many words

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so I can haegang 5, and potentially make 1 set a bit faster

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altho my topsets are like:
+220
+210
+205 a few times

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so realistically only the first one can REALLY race

delicate spruce May 7, 2025, 10:17 PM

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hit a tower that has already been hit by a guildie, watch replay, and then you can cleave 5x

chilly bough May 7, 2025, 10:30 PM

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delicate spruce hit a tower that has already been hit by a guildie, watch replay, and then you c...

This is the strategy. Except do it 4x, bruiser the swift defense

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 10:31 PM

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In general @simple pelican unless you’re rune gapping heavily I’d only race twice (blind)

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One you race topset (this is on the defense where you’re racing closest to even) one on second set where you’re racing at a notable advantage

chilly bough May 7, 2025, 10:31 PM

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(he's never rune gapping)

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 10:31 PM

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hmjj

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 10:32 PM

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fluid coral One you race topset (this is on the defense where you’re racing closest to even)...

so here you could do

julie
hyanes
bruiser
adriana
haegang

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to use this set as example

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Sure

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Although you’re racing even ish twice

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1.68 * 108 =181.44
1.64 *111 =182.04

simple pelican May 7, 2025, 10:33 PM

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dejj

fluid coral May 7, 2025, 10:33 PM

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1.68 * 111 =186.48
1.64 * 113 =185.32

arctic owl May 7, 2025, 10:50 PM

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Sorry to interrupt but what ticks do you run the herne comps atm normally

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 7:36 PM

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waiting

chilly bough May 13, 2025, 8:35 PM

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sharp smelt <:waiting:1276322648372019275>

He had a rough siege

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 8:35 PM

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we can fix him

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the point of this thread isnt to post 10-0's anyway waiting

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 8:44 PM

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OMEGALUL

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I mean I can show you this

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I thought the mimirr adriana sonia wasnt that bad for a rush hit

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but I missed stun and it was kinda gg

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acually I was just relying on somehow killing zeni before immunity runs out worry

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and then I took wrong lead next hit

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and got outsped by a scouted VIO IRENE...

chilly bough May 13, 2025, 8:50 PM

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They are struggling vs platy Irene Shahat and Odin Adriana zenitsu

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 8:52 PM

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happens its fine

frail shell May 13, 2025, 9:19 PM

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isnt lushen like lowkey better than praline cleave

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Sadge

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 9:20 PM

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if its scouted its w.e

chilly bough May 13, 2025, 9:25 PM

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we're lushening platy?

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why are we lushening platy

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how's that better

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mihyang damage without speed/atk buff is fake

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 9:31 PM

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i prefer double snipe aswell

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:41 PM

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simple pelican I mean I can show you this

i wonder if khmun is a better lead here

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something like snipe sylvia, khmun tanks irene & adriana tanks zenitsu

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even if you lose the swift irene race who cares

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thoughts?

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i think i'm kinda cookin here

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sylvia is a bit faster than irene and can hit any of them, but it shouldn't be a huge deal- i don't think sylvia + zenitsu can one tap the sonia

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also, nup was saying khmun feels really good into wind zeni

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:49 PM

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sylvia + wind zeni can one tap sonia

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thats exactly what happened

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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simple pelican sylvia + wind zeni can one tap sonia

you didn't snipe sylvia?

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or you did

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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I sniped irene

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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did you outspeed

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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yes

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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my idea is that

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you snipe sylvia and khmun tanks irene

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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well I also didnt think that much about it

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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if swift sylvia + zenitsu outspeeds and goes sonia in that idea then you lose

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so i'm not sure if that is possible

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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I had to cook something fast, and win faster

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:55 PM

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fair- and again, i'm just trying to help :/ i don't know if this offense is good either

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just throwing something out there

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:55 PM

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I know Gladge , I will just have to stay away from sylvia defs honestly...

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:55 PM

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that i think might be a cool idea

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 10:55 PM

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throw a shield set in there aswell

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so irenehas to slurp through 4 buffs

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:56 PM

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hmjj

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:56 PM

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sharp smelt throw a shield set in there aswell

🧠

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:56 PM

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I can try it a bit in tower and see if it feels nice

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:56 PM

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i feel like that's klo endorsing the idea

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poggershype

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 10:57 PM

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i run my mihyang on a random shield set so I can easily use it with chilling

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and its decent into irene

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a bit COPIUM but sure why not

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:57 PM

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but who cares if khmun gets eaten by irene too Hmmmm

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:57 PM

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I have a shield mihyang for with chilling too but its starving

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:57 PM

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well i guess makes easier for zeni to kill u

sharp smelt May 13, 2025, 10:58 PM

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buoyant wraith but who cares if khmun gets eaten by irene too <:Hmmmm:624422574709014538>

you dont need a off-set for khmun anyway

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so might aswell give shield a shot

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frfr

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:58 PM

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frfr

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 10:59 PM

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I will ask someone with a brain to put this def in tower

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:59 PM

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simi lmk how it goes, i'm curious

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 10:59 PM

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simple pelican I will ask someone with a brain to put this def in tower <:o7:136544379022304879...

doesn't need brain, just runes KEKW

simple pelican May 13, 2025, 11:14 PM

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actually khmun adriana races like -5

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against swift sylvia

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so I should forget it...

buoyant wraith May 13, 2025, 11:36 PM

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simple pelican so I should forget it...

i mean you can make sonia tank it maybe

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idk how hard it is to tank a zenitsu s1

open zephyr May 13, 2025, 11:40 PM

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Hard

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That skill is insane

leaden flame May 14, 2025, 3:24 AM

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I didn't read all of it, but as I was reading the thread, you talked about the everyone's speed is limited to Leo's speed, so I thought of a question that I always had. If Leo had 150 speed, and all my mons with originally higher than 150 speed, were set to 150 speed, what determines who moves after Leo?

open zephyr May 14, 2025, 3:26 AM

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Attack bar and speed (as if Leo wasn't there)

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If everyone is the same speed after Leo passive then attack bar will fill identically for every unit excluding passives, skills etc. (tetsuya passive, amduat passive, Megan S3)

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So if there a tie of attack bar (normal into Leo unless it's a speed trap, don't worry this is niche), the fastest Mon will move

leaden flame May 14, 2025, 3:29 AM

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open zephyr So if there a tie of attack bar (normal into Leo unless it's a speed trap, don't...

So after Leo moves, the mon who originally had the highest speed would move?

open zephyr May 14, 2025, 3:29 AM

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It's how Leo Lucifer works with only a 1% attack bar gain. Leo deals enough damage for 1% atb to his team, now even if lushen + buffs are 200 speed slower on runes than the opponent they'll still move first

open zephyr May 14, 2025, 3:29 AM

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leaden flame So after Leo moves, the mon who originally had the highest speed would move?

Yes, assuming no atb gain or decrease (like Leo's passive)

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