Simi's siege thread

[simple pelican]

1. standard
2. also standard but got punished for running cr/att instead of just being fast on kahli, outsped somehow.
3. pretty normal
4. tried the tanjiro, went very well
5. I think this is an okay bolv target

[quasi mesa]

for (2), vio will water twins + a tanky shaman is much safer

Order: Shaina -> Martina -> Triana

[simple pelican]

I think that works just as well as leah, I just made a mistake in runing

[quasi mesa]

for some reason I always wonder what if some lunatic put a +230 Shaina there

[simple pelican]

will believe it when I see it

[simple pelican]

part 2:

1. standard
2. got overconfident and sent it even though I knew it was risky. It wasnt just risky, it was impossible
3. had the bolv and this def left, it works just fine
4. I stupidly thought diana could just sub for helena. She couldnt. I managed to kill theo and dismount sav before diana died so I could still win it
5. worked fine now that I put a faster set on kahli

Overall (especially second part) I have the issue of not having specific counters for these defs. and because its wgb I am forced to hit them, so I send stuff knowing its bad

[fluid coral]

You can talc or rina 2-2

[simple pelican]

this is emergency project

[fluid coral]

Talc probably works better

Just talc Racuni +1

[simple pelican]

I know what to build next

[fluid coral]

Part of siege is having 1-2 of a bunch of random 3* that you have used exactly once

[simple pelican]

how do I tackle clara sav theo without angela shahat

[fluid coral]

Uh do you own cami I forgot

[simple pelican]

nope

I have BORGNINE

[fluid coral]

BORG

Uh

Without any real form of damage thru Leo you can kinda do whatever there. Cami windy is BiS but you can basically put any tanky shit in there and it works fine

IE you can do XF Leo

[simple pelican]

now I need to fuse a xf

[south vault]

or 7 for that one niche tourney off that u needed to bruiser a weird 4* safely

[fluid coral]

The groggo incident

[south vault]

Its the Olivia incident here

[simple pelican]

[south vault]

u can probably use a different leo off for the Theo def btw

you found out that Diana unfortunately doesn't have the same kill potential that Helena does, but at least you correctly identified to not bring Helena into Theo

[simple pelican]

I only know feng leo tetra, leo jeanne helena and leo shahat angela

oh wait feng leo tetra wouldve worked

right

[south vault]

it's better than Diana for sure

[simple pelican]

is there another leo comp that could work here

that I could build

cuz this def is pretty common down here

[south vault]

honestly a lot of my leo hits are leo feng x

where x is whatever I need to stay alive

[simple pelican]

[south vault]

Aaliyah is the most common

[simple pelican]

still lf aaliyah

cant really find replacement other than amelia but that would make bolv ded

[south vault]

Amelia isn't as good either unfortunately

a lot less active sustain

I also relatively frequently use taranys into sav but idk how much I would recommend that

also if you use taranys you usually want more sustain elsewhere

[simple pelican]

cant consider it, dont own it

[south vault]

honestly I think u could do a lot of random leo +2 stuff that works there

[simple pelican]

[south vault]

the only actual risk is getting trapped outright

[simple pelican]

how does theo targetting even work

is it just random

[south vault]

random

leo nerfs his damage a fair bit tho

[simple pelican]

was just thinking of how to somewhat control the situation

which seems hard with theo

always

[south vault]

yea cami helps a lot

she sponges sav as well

I wonder if u could use the new f2p 5* windy

[simple pelican]

I guess? idk

[south vault]

he felt p good when I tested him

[simple pelican]

is not being able to get defbroken more effective than statue of gargoyles?

into this

[south vault]

malite would get dbroken by a clara proc so I'd be careful with that

although honestly

I think it would work most of the time anyway

[simple pelican]

so uhm leo + the gyomei guy +1 could be fine?

[fluid coral]

You can probably just do

Leo malite tetra

Or Racuni if ur scared of sav

[simple pelican]

will keep this in mind for next one

ty for input

[balmy mantle]

What speed was your kahli set here?

[simple pelican]

I think it was +177, it has always worked in siege so I didnt think too much about it

I changed to +200 for second hit

[balmy mantle]

Makes sense you could get outraced there occasionally

[simple pelican]

yeah think its better to go faster so I dont get shocked by the occasional swift

[balmy mantle]

Yup. Especially for wgb with this def list it’s pretty free to give Shaina second fastest swift set, or Shaina fastest and Orion second fastest, to try to catch people out

[simple pelican]

it wont happen again

[balmy mantle]

If somebody has a +230 Shaina you just take the lumps but otherwise should be good

[chilly bough]

Actually Leo gyomei is an interesting idea

Since he has built in destroy

[simple pelican]

I was also thinking

about

[chilly bough]

Dont you have Angela?

[simple pelican]

nope

[chilly bough]

Or wind pure vanilla?

[simple pelican]

lemme double check

nope

well ent said could probably use kiki with leo somewhere

could this be a case?

[chilly bough]

Sure kiki Leo Racuni/tetra sounds fine

[simple pelican]

oh wait

huh

think it was fed

[chilly bough]

I would just build kiki very tanky 100 res with acc

You shouldn't need much damage at all really I think for this offense to work

[simple pelican]

ill try it next time

[chilly bough]

Try and let us know

Use kiki lead too, it's nice

I think you can kiki these defenses down btw

With no sustain

Speed scaling DDs

It should work

Clara makes it tougher though

[simple pelican]

ill see how it goes

[balmy mantle]

Why does Clara make it tough if we are passive warrioring?

[chilly bough]

Kiki don't do anything if stunned

[balmy mantle]

Still does the first half of the passive, no?

And then you cycle around with an extra turn of debuffs the next round?

[simple pelican]

siege hits (with already received feedback on a few)

1. bit risky with triana > real reviver I Felt, worked out just fine though
2. 'just cleave it' said ent
3. Kunite > tractor
4. standard
5. used the wrong mihyang, no will
6. standard
7. can now race this with 30%+101
8. tesa is bad here. Identified byung as threat when it was really chandra (also tetra > rina)
9. bolv target, everything on -water to be sure theo doesnt do something funny
10. missed defbreak on betta and miles. didnt kill either of those 2. bernard was on topset > bruiser since I thought nothing would live and preferred being sure to outspeed miles

[delicate spruce]

holy fuck why are the images squished

1. iunu is an odd choice as a dd here... he's valuable mostly for his revive hit

the only time he's going to get hit is if cichlid s3's him, and if cichlid s3's him that resets him...

2. as long as your orochi is on a super fast swift dd set then this is good

5. i dont get this, why do you need will on mihyang

8. step back and look at the big picture. this def has no def break

10. really bad julie target

[fluid coral]

Prevents you from getting stunned or defense broken on her? There’s a world where you get unlucky

[simple pelican]

I lived in that world

[simple pelican]

I was tired and couldnt be asked to fix it

[simple pelican]

yeah should have seen that

[simple pelican]

is this because of betta? or why. thought the guarantee of shield sets would make this a good target.

[simple pelican]

1. Standard
2. didnt see why it wouldnt work
3. bolv target
4. Triana to survive initial snipe, nana to 'farm' stacks with laika. Did not at all work out the way I had planned it.
5. offense as defense, just lushen with fast 'snipe' set on orochi

I realize 4 is bad, I figure triana is the right choice but need a different +2

[simple pelican]

1. bit riskier with carc there,deployed lushen a bit too quickly. No problem at all tho
2. stupid leah target. Gemini only strips one debuff. didnt get defbreak on khmun. leah killed everything anyway
3. 2 spd scaling -> leo
4. looked fine to me and worked out fine too
5. standard

[zenith crystal]

This scary imo if -wind they have 44 lead and high hp units

[simple pelican]

fair enough

they were pretty tanky

but orochi finished mo long and amelia cant solo

[zenith crystal]

How does garo Draco work out vs Seara Orion

[simple pelican]

snipe seara and its always fine

I didnt see the vision either at first but its pretty safe

[zenith crystal]

I’ve seen a ton of losses with gdk into this

Kass is safer than kahli

[simple pelican]

so far the only thing I can make work consistently on this def tbh

i know its an old outdated def but I had issues with it before using garo draco kass

[zenith crystal]

If cleaving I personally lushen this

[simple pelican]

how would that be safer than kass

[zenith crystal]

We used to do the Fran Malala stuff

[simple pelican]

O ive heard of that

[zenith crystal]

But it’s weird now with buffs to seara

Can desync and mess you up

[simple pelican]

you cant race this with adv right with lushen

[zenith crystal]

The team you lost into has cleave angles no booster

[simple pelican]

without dova

[zenith crystal]

Riley is pretty useless

You need dova yes

Orochi new unit is close? But you want a lead that can solo perna

[simple pelican]

orochi still not enough for orion (106? I think) but yea perna fucks

best you can race is 24%+105

[balmy mantle]

Raki in your box?

[simple pelican]

nope

[delicate spruce]

miles can outspeed you. there's 2 tanky units here, you're supposed to julie squishy stuff. so good chance betta and miles lives, then betta revives carc and does s3, now no way to clean up and you lose

[simple pelican]

overestimated how much dmg julie does, gotcha

took my chances on swift miles

[delicate spruce]

miles doesn't need to be on swift to outspeed you

he gets a lot of free speed from buffs

[simple pelican]

I thought it was only like 20? 25?

[delicate spruce]

he can mess up your tuning and cut in even if you're tuned

[simple pelican]

ah

[delicate spruce]

as you buff

he gets faster

[simple pelican]

ah didnt account for that

[delicate spruce]

also while swift miles is not going to happen

swift betta is not uncommon

so also possible for swift betta to outspeed, s3, and now miles is faster too

[simple pelican]

how do you bruiser this? first thought would be kunite +2 water but feel like miles can mess it up real bad

[delicate spruce]

wind tank + 2 water? what's complicated

[simple pelican]

why wind tank over fire tank? is it just that carc + miles can hit hard enough to kill kunite?

and then say I go something like: tractor tetra malite, the dmg is split and I can sustain it whereas tractor tetra kunite could have kunite dying?

[delicate spruce]

not having wind just makes it a bit more dangerous as then it's much easier for carc to hit your water units

refer to ai targeting guide in #1048719420870107227

[simple pelican]

oh wait yeah carc can get defbreak on water and target that

forgot about that

[fluid coral]

Pssssst use Triana

[simple pelican]

where

[simple pelican]

Will also mention what I will do next time against the defense for these hits (they are that bad):

1. would do the same, worst case scenario (I think) played out and still won
2. dont lushen this, its easy to get trapped -> chacha +2 wind (triana + roid)
3. dont leah nana -> would skip the def for now
4. not sure if this is fine, felt very risky with rakan -> either same/skip
5. my brain was just fried from the previous losses, 0 braincells used here
   -> seara/dom tetra juno
6. Lunu was only available option at that time (I think), lost
   -> either build logan/use hraes here
7. fine
8. piloting issue, know how to pilot it now -> do the same
9. fine
10. would use dom over seara if it was avilable
    taking my time (which I did for the last 4 hits) to prepare my hits and not try to rush them clearly had better results

[delicate spruce]

yea sounds correct

take more time next siege and don't rush

if you are able to make this analysis and still end up going 5-5

you're just rushing

[fluid coral]

tbf a few of these were me saying this posthumously

But yea don’t sprint siege @simple pelican

Take ur time and ask for input

[delicate spruce]

oh you told him that afterwards and he just repeated it here?

[fluid coral]

2/3/5/8

Were ones I commented on

[zenith crystal]

Ken nana sav we used to do like tractor tetra windy

[fluid coral]

What was Lala for again? The Jeogun variant?

Ur right it was a twx core

[zenith crystal]

Juno

Nora

Ken is too dangerous to have fire healer

Imo

[fluid coral]

Ye

[chilly bough]

Wait how come we are Iunu into cichlid

I like crawler kunite tetra if it's unscouted

You are in the same guild as ent

And you have me on speed dial

Utilize that

I don't mind offense checking

[simple pelican]

I did it before a few times and it was (not ideal) but fine

but I got punished this time

[simple pelican]

yeah no a lot of these are ent teaching me stuff, im putting it in here partially so I can come back to it when in doubt

[simple pelican]

1. fine
2. put destroy on laika and its fine
3. horrible cook, racuni didnt provide as much healing as I had hoped, wind monkey didnt strip as much as I had hoped
4. fine
5. would have been fine if it was runed properly I guess, few procs and I was dead

my other idea for 5 was leo dom + support

[fluid coral]

3 wmk -> windy

Then replace carcano for an actual unit

4 Julie

5…

@simple pelican slow your Leo down

Why is it the fastest monster on ur team

[simple pelican]

I have no leo runes

[fluid coral]

[simple pelican]

im not gonna lie I wanted to copy your off for this but

windy is in 1

[fluid coral]

You also griefed the fuck out of piloting

Just divebomb Savannah

And you win

[simple pelican]

yea

I didnt think she would hit that hard on s2/1

she did

[fluid coral]

I mean it’s really

You want to take quick kills

And you just spread ur damage and gave them extra time

[simple pelican]

[quasi mesa]

5 seems like Rina food

[simple pelican]

sav defbreak into procs can kill my rina im pretty sure

[quasi mesa]

give Rina some def, like +1100 then ur fine

after -20% wind arti sav hits like wet noodle

she got no spd so no dmg

[chilly bough]

Wait what

Like Feng Leo rina?

Sav isn't necessarily built with crate and there are several strips

That sounds bad

I think the general idea of what you were going for is good

I would say just run Feng Leo tetra

If you wanna run Leo for sav

Then for 2R you can run lulu or something instead of tetra

[simple pelican]

yea I wanted to do that but

I didnt know how well lulu would perform in 2r

[chilly bough]

Why not?

[simple pelican]

because I had never done it before

[chilly bough]

What makes Leo more effective than tetra here

[simple pelican]

disabling the sav

[chilly bough]

Most siege players have melted brain and have forgotten that lulu is still cracked just because he can't be used into modern defenses effectively

I'm talking about 2R

[simple pelican]

oh

give me a sec im doing rta

[simple pelican]

you mean lulu over tetra then

Im not sure but I see a scenario where carc can get defbreak on lulu, proc to target it and miles kills off lulu

but then you have nana revive

[chilly bough]

How does lulu get def broken

Is it cdmg yolo Riley that derps into s1ing lulu

Just don't run vampire laika and he will get def broken

[simple pelican]

wait I might be misunderstanding carcs defbreak

[fossil dragon]

Carcano (Fire Sniper Mk.I)

Wikia

3. Dead Eye (Passive)

Decreases the Defense of the enemy with the worst HP status for 1 turn at the start of each turn. [Automatic Effect]

Neg. Effects

Decrease DEF (1 round(s))

provided by SWARFARM

[chilly bough]

Plus you have actual immunity with this

[simple pelican]

okay yeah

[chilly bough]

Lulu does make miles stronger but it's irrelevant

[simple pelican]

cuz his dmg gets reduced anyway

[chilly bough]

Ye

[simple pelican]

since he will always target laika

[chilly bough]

Lulu may just plain be better to be honest with you

[simple pelican]

gonna keep that in mind

[simple pelican]

1. lushen
2. thought I could snipe craka and 3v2 it, forgot about chandra s2 on craka and lost
3. went chiclid > mihy > danu, shouldve gone chiclid > danu > mihyang, also dont think triana is optimal here because of the danu multihits
4. racing at a disadvantage of 1, took the (small) risk
5. bit of confusion for piloting this, will explain below
6. standard
7. twl seemed very good here, worked perfect
8. tiana cleave might have been better here, figured even if brita lived she would target kahli and leah can finish her off
9. ...piloting, I fed kinki revenges with aoes from imesety and copper (should just not use those skills?)
10. treated it like carc miles elad

for 5) I went dismount both -> nana -> kill beast riders
problem is that nana can defbreak jeanne, into beast riders (almost) nuking jeanne. think it can get really risky if this happens

problem I had here is I didnt want to use helena s2 when riders are dismounted, didnt want to revive them by accident

[chilly bough]

I gave you a team for mihyang cichlid danu didn't I

Yes don't use imesety s2 or copper S2 until everything is dead

[simple pelican]

yes It was uh tetra kunite crawler iirc,didnt find the time between sieges to build a crawler

also cant 2a it yet, the damage reduction looks pretty huge

[chilly bough]

What if you slow down and wait until Vio cichlid is scouted and Lushen

Scout for nem and other tanky trap things too

Nobody rune swaps on def in g1

[simple pelican]

hmm yea I can do that

ive been doing it for a few defenses this siege, but everything I checked looked to be on swift anyway lol

[simple pelican]

1. lost to a combination of my garo being poorly runed and a million procs
   2/3/4) standard
2. I think I just got runegapped, both chandra and zen lived and killed orochi.
   orochi was only on like +140 swift dd set, shouldve gone spd slot 2 and couldve won then I think
3. Ent: where is your tetra
4. scouted on vio and not tanky enough to live my lushen
5. carc did 18k per hit on windy (so no defbreak) which made it feel very dangerous, should just improve my windy
6. first time trying hg in siege, dont really like this comp that much, will build a louise for (I think) the safer version
7. last 10 minutes of siege, seemed like it would just die even if it was all on will (it was and they did)

[south vault]

Chandra zen x are easy to lushen trap

Zen is also a haegang angle

if you have it over at that point

not optimal into shun tho

[simple pelican]

[fluid coral]

I would avoid doing this

Partly because zen using s2 immediately makes variants like this kill you

[south vault]

I don't think bananaman without a dbreak kills you tbh, but ur probably right that it isn't super great

[delicate spruce]

just because you're using wind nezuko doesn't mean you can't still use mihyang

the biggest mistake people make with any of these julie or lushen comps is to underestimate the importance of the other 2 units beside the lushen/julie

it is really not expected at all that the julie or lushen wipes the board and 1 shots everything

with lushen teams, your lead MUST be super fast on swift and act as cleanup

that's why mihyang is so good even if she may be slightly slower than a ninja

you can rune her super fast and still do a ton of dmg

[simple pelican]

the only problem I have with it is the fact that my topset is already pretty slow, and I get outsped a lot even when racing +5 or higher sometimes

but the diff between mihy and orochi lead isnt that big ig

[delicate spruce]

you'll lose far more fights by not having a follow up to lushen

than you will going -2 spd

[simple pelican]

Ill use mihyang next time then

[delicate spruce]

the only reason you should be using orochi

is if you run out of mihyang, or if it's a wgb situation and you've used mihyang elsewhere

it is NEVER a first choice

same thing with gin dova/teon

[simple pelican]

got it

[zenith crystal]

some ppl disagreed with me in the past but if you are down low on swift depth - i used to move my tiana set to mihyang and share those runes

[delicate spruce]

why would anyone disagree with you on that, tiana and mihyang are exact same set

you should do that even if you aren't low on swift depth

[fluid coral]

Reset can screw you pretty hard

[south vault]

wait ur right

disregard the haegang idea there

[simple pelican]

couldnt finish all my hits this time since it was G2 siege and we got crushed in the first half.
1+2) standard
3) Not sure how I feel about this, it worked but tetra did come very close to dying early on.
4) easy lushen
5) looked like a good target, celia only strips one buffs and I will have plenty, windy can tank carc for a long time so no threats of getting killed randomly since bolv can easily outsustain vigor dmg
6) Saw this off before, decided to test it out, I race at an advantage if we ignore elsharion, by adding jultan here we can pretty much ignore elsharion
7) dumb lushen, thought the 3v1 against Nora would be very doable (not even sure about that now) but chandra ofc also lived which I should have known

[fluid coral]

easy lushen
zerath

[simple pelican]

orochi can easily clean it up no

thats what happened at least

[fluid coral]

What happens if they’re nemesis

Or just -wind

Zerath has high enough bases to survive Mirishen easily

[simple pelican]

I did not think of that

[simple pelican]

10-0 today, only one question about this hit:
first time using bolv into this and it felt safe, but very tricky
-try to get geldnir down first and put the chip dmg into ophilia
-ophilia started cycling from threat state into invinc on geldnir, I started focussing theo with bolv so the invincibility would go on him and it worked out eventually, one thing though:
If theo is on vamp, do I lose due to never getting theo low enough for ophilia to put invinc on him? or can I get around that with different piloting, my thought would be to focus ophilia then, but with her constant shield it takes a long time to get her hp down enough for her to focus herself, if the chip dmg goes into theo (who is on rev) cant it lead to eventually theo killing something?

wait

this doesnt make sense

my point is: It actually got pretty close and im completely lost on the piloting on this

[delicate spruce]

if theo is on vamp he will never kill anything...

[simple pelican]

yeah my rambling doesnt make any sense

[delicate spruce]

you had the right idea just target one unit with bolv but attack something else with chip dmg so geld only heals those things

the offense is fine, nothing will ever be 100% against theo but this is good enough

[simple pelican]

okay yeah fair enough

I always see so many loss conditions with theo, valid or not

[simple pelican]

1. I rely on gemini to not derp and lost the gamble
2. snipe zeratu and fine
3. sonia killed gapsoo just fine, cov failed to kill kumar. didnt put my best runes on cov so I have that to blame I think
4. standard
5. looked fine to me, almost lost due to inting in cleanup tho
6. got suggested this, worked well
7. standard
8. Ive done this before, fine
9. standard
10. very suboptimal but didnt have anything else to hit, I think leo feng tetra is better here, but didnt have a third tetra to use

Overall I wanna be able to hit more defenses now, my losses lately have been because I feel like I have to do something suboptimal, because its my best option

some defenses I have in mind to work on hitting:

• Ashour nana byung
• Clara chilling emily unscouted
• Fiona eshir truffle unscouted

also Moore Tesa Sav but I already know the counter to build for that

[chilly bough]

Don't you have Hyanes you silly goose

[simple pelican]

yes

but where is my verad

o yea I wanted to ask that

can I use bellenus

[chilly bough]

Do you have wind robo

[simple pelican]

yea

[chilly bough]

Into Nana byungchul

It works fine

[simple pelican]

[chilly bough]

Why do you keep lushening tanky teams

Stop

[simple pelican]

someone already lushened it

with a worse lushen than me

[chilly bough]

You are forgiven

[simple pelican]

[chilly bough]

With mihyang???

Based

If you had miri I'd say fuck it send it

[simple pelican]

but yeah I tend to lushen a bit too much

[chilly bough]

They just randomly lushened it with

Mihyang????

[simple pelican]

yes

[chilly bough]

O_O

[simple pelican]

my guild is food other than the warlords

[chilly bough]

Same it's me +29 warlords

[simple pelican]

[delicate spruce]

3. you're not pralining correctly

first if you're using sonia with praline, do you have her on a correct build?

i.e. she should be runed like a regular sniper, on slot 4 cd

[simple pelican]

yeah thats how I runed her

[delicate spruce]

ideally you don't use sonia with praline

much better to go cov kahli/hraes sonia

you will get a lot more dmg out of sonia, and then you can more confidently snipe brita with sonia

[simple pelican]

Ill try that next time

[delicate spruce]

if you do use that team, the correct order is to leave kumar for last

kill brita with sonia, gapsoo with cov

your atk buffer should always be tanking the remaining monster

[simple pelican]

I did already struggle with getting enough dmg on cov being tuned to praline

(I ran +190, not topset)

I can only imagine its even worse with kahli

[delicate spruce]

kahli isn't a sniper when you're using her as a booster

and you dont need cov to be completely tuned

sonia is the only one tuned and you remove the swift threat with her

[simple pelican]

ah okay, kahli can also be like on +190ish cr4/atk6?

[delicate spruce]

if you use hraes then hraes s3 is also providing some fluff damage

also just going back to the original reason you lost

which was cov failing to kill kumar

gapsoo is a bit squishier than kumar, and also slightly less likely to be on -water compared to kumar

[simple pelican]

I just realized I have odin too

I can do 1) cov praline odin
2) cov kahli/hraes sonia

and hit it twice

[fossil dragon]

Odin (Wind Lightning Emperor)

Wikia

3. Legacy of Knowledge (Passive)

Attacks the enemy while ignoring the enemy's Defense by 15% for every Knowledge you have whenever you attack. If you have 5 Knowledge, use all of your Knowledge to attack while ignoring the enemy's Defense and having attribute advantage. In addition, if you get defeated while having Knowledge, you will use all of your Knowledge to be revived with 20% HP per Knowledge used. [Automatic Effect] (Reusable in 11 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

Pos. Effects

Ignore DEF (15%)
Revive (20%)
Spend Knowledge
Elemental Advantage

provided by SWARFARM

[simple pelican]

as long as I snipe gapsoo wth cov first I can safely snipe kumar wih odin right

but brita could win that maybe

[delicate spruce]

yea again you cannot have your atk buffer be the one that has elemental advantage against the remaining monster

if you want to use cov odin, you should use bastet or megan as buffer

or colleen

[simple pelican]

oh yeah right I forgot about that

[simple pelican]

@delicate spruce If I would snipe the Ashour version with cov kahli sonia
sonia -> brita?
cov -> ashour is fine?

or can gapsoo solo that

[delicate spruce]

your atk buffer should always be tanking the remaining monster

[simple pelican]

so I snipe gapsoo with sonia

3v1 against brita sounds scary though

[delicate spruce]

oh sorry i misread your team

but i still think thats the route i would go

i dont think there's a huge difference either way you do it

[simple pelican]

Ill snipe brita actually since theres no way I can tune cov

[delicate spruce]

yea if brita is potentially the fastest then you do have to kill her first

[simple pelican]

wow it was swift brita and it outsped me

[delicate spruce]

uh how fast is your kahli..

[simple pelican]

well I saw you mention +190 praline on atk lead is fine against this def so

+190

[simple pelican]

1-7) standard other than:
4) already discussed with Ent, very risky since Iunu can kill both lushen and mihyang after revive, also betta can easily live. Just dont lushen unscouted things anymore
8) already somewhat discussed here, +190 kahli is NOT fast enough
9) I didnt like this, the original offense I went off of is Chow cami racuni, thought elucia could slot in for cami here but you lose a lot of safety, elucia can die from chandra while cami does not have that problem.
10) scouted vio zen, went with this from #general-sw , ?general moment.
Never again
(even tho its bad even if I outspeed, it was either +191 vio or higher, or they swapped, I got outsped.)

[fluid coral]

for 9 run windy

And then sub Elucia for an auto cleanser (tetra)

[simple pelican]

ent

if I had more tetra

I wouldve used them

[fluid coral]

You only have 2?!?!

[simple pelican]

I wish I had more

[south vault]

he's poor

don't discriminate

[fluid coral]

[south vault]

(but please make more, you need like 5 at least)

[fluid coral]

Nat 4s drop like candy

[simple pelican]

I dont have any

[fluid coral]

You don’t even need to skill her

[simple pelican]

tetra avoids me I swear

[fluid coral]

I have 10 and most of them are only maxed on s3

[simple pelican]

Ive been asking

[fluid coral]

[simple pelican]

but if I had more tetras, chow tetra windy is fine here

[simple pelican]

one more thing about this, is this where I say: okay I got outsped so I go for (example: +200 kahli), or can I write this off as wtf happened here

[chrome echo]

jx9

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+190 praline with atk lead sounds good to me

Req. by simmieeee. Quote from · Jan 16, 2025, 5:29 PM

[delicate spruce]

i dunno maybe its a weird thing at lower levels where newbs think brita should be swift

[simple pelican]

it was very weird lol

even without any buffs they almost died to my snipes

[delicate spruce]

i mean if possible you should always make kahli as fast as you can, on slot 4 cr

it's easy to tune sonia to topset swift and still have more than enough damage

cov can still be slow

[simple pelican]

yeah I can do +202 kahli on cr4 atk6

compared to +190

and the sonia tuning wont be that big of a deal

since she was already a bit overtuned

[delicate spruce]

i guess what i mean by +190 praline is that your cov should be tuned to a hypothetical +190 praline

even if you use a topswift booster

[simple pelican]

oh like that, I misunderstood

tuning to +190 praline is still hard for me lol

I did that last siege and it resulted into cov not killing kumar

but we already discussed that

[delicate spruce]

then maybe just wait a bit until you farm better runes or pull better monsters like claire

[simple pelican]

yeah was just trying to expand the amount of defenses I can hit by a bit

since the things I know how to hit are going very smoothly

[delicate spruce]

do you have hyanes

[simple pelican]

yeah Im working on the off right now with wind robo

couldnt get it ready before this siege tho

the idea was to work on that +after that another leo offense

jeanne leo helena is sort of rotting since I dont find a good target for it usually

and this means leo barely gets used

and I need to abuse premium stuff

[south vault]

leo feels a little dead imo rn, its not just you

[simple pelican]

I still see plenty of sav on defense down here

but they all have something that fucks helena

chandra/moore usually

[delicate spruce]

don't force it

it doens't feel dead to me but overall i really dislike the notion that any teams are free wins or that there are any teams you can use every single siege

[simple pelican]

Simi's siege thread

[simple pelican]

1. standard bolv target
2. seemed like a decent julie target
3. was a bit scary, not sure if its rng or a bad target overall
4. didnt want to doublesnipe with 2 damage reduction units, hyanes off isnt done yet, will retire this offense soon I think
5. I just didnt do enough dmg, zaiross missed reset on byung and it was pretty much over
6. tank tesarion to tank perna + chandra, went very quick as I got oblivion + defbreak from tesarion into chow nuking perna
7. roid > windy here but I dont have a roid yet somehow
8. standard
9. good lushen target, clara cant win this 1v3 I think
10. ran out of tetra so used lulu, was fine

[fluid coral]

1. Good
2. Standard Julie warning
3. Uh don’t do this Nicki can cleave you (at least she could back in apoc)
4. Not a huge fan of cleaving byung here if you get unlucky with defense breaks you’re dead
5. Eh I guess
6. Tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra tetra
   7/8 standard
7. Sure
8. Id be cautious here, if they’re tuned the right way they can just go for a water unit. Should be fine but this is better when the +1 doesn’t do damage

Something like byung hits lulu -> def break hat -> stunned hat is scary

[simple pelican]

whats the standard julie warning

anything can be trapped if they want it?

[simple pelican]

whats the approach when there is a +1 that does dmg (like byung)

the kona mara thing?

[fluid coral]

Wait why Mara

[simple pelican]

uh

mara is dark amazon right

wait no im stupid

the whole point of that is to ignore eladriel

and he isnt there

then idk what to do here, it has BYUNG and completely random defbreaks

[south vault]

leo racuni shren

idea is swift racuni to boost shren to kill carc u can tank miles/byung afterwards, loses to tank carc and i guess u would have to run a good shren set that lives byung s2 but kills carc

i just cooked it, no guarantee it is feasible

[simple pelican]

that sounds cool

[south vault]

test it before trying

i have no idea how feasible it is to kill with shren and not die in cleanup

[simple pelican]

I also saw a carc miles zen def

I think you can do uh

something with fire kass there?

also should assume I have already used my leo

[south vault]

i cant really think of anything thats not either runegap or based on leo/ to not get sacked by miles

im sure theres more stuff to hit it with tho

[simple pelican]

I runegapped hard

with nana laika

like killed both carc and miles in 1 hit

[south vault]

do u have a helena

[simple pelican]

yea

already used jeanne leo helena before this

[south vault]

u can find ways to use helena to tank miles too

ah

[simple pelican]

in 3)

[south vault]

yea just helena as itself is a good water tank too

[simple pelican]

id have to rerune then I guess

[south vault]

generally for these poverty offenses

u basically would always have to

[simple pelican]

Ophilia is another tank I have ig

[south vault]

ophelia is worse into miles tho

[simple pelican]

because of the strip?

how about triple rev lucia

to just outheal their dmg

cant get stunned by miles either

[south vault]

not horrible

look at helenas passive tho

her reduction against water is p huge

[fossil dragon]

Helena (Fire Unicorn)

Wikia

3. Eternal Flame (Passive)

Recovers your HP and Attack Bar by 20% each when you attack on your turn. Reduces the damage dealt by Water attribute by 50%. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Heal (20%)
Increase ATB (20%)

provided by SWARFARM

[simple pelican]

oh yeah

[south vault]

but generally you want to get carc out of these defs as soon as possible

then it gets a lot easier

the f2p tank for miles is khmun btw

but its not as good as premium options ofc

[simple pelican]

ill give this another thought when I actually see one of these defs again

because this was a first

but even with dmg reduction from water

cant a defbreak on helena be very dangerous

[south vault]

ye

u would for sure want another support to protect her

but after carc is gone ur fine

[simple pelican]

im actually struggling with this defense even though it doesnt 'look' that hard

I cant cleave/snipe this I think, unless I take the risk of theo doing theo things

[delicate spruce]

you can take the risk of theo doing theo things

[simple pelican]

I also already used sonia and thats my only real premium sniper

is this doable with 'poverty' options?

[delicate spruce]

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there's lots of ways to make pralining a theo a bit safer. you can choose snipers that have a bit of extra survivability like kahli, odin, federica

Req. by jx9. Quote from · Feb 5, 2025, 2:11 AM

[simple pelican]

👍 thanks

[fallen ginkgo]

You could also just pull Tiana Jaara and hit it with that.

XD

[simple pelican]

[delicate spruce]

also you can just lushen or tiana with various other dds

[simple pelican]

I won the lushen hit but it was extremely close, after nuke I got to a 2v3 against dom + theo

mihyang missed strip on theo and got deleted by him

after that it was nezuko + lushen vs dom

if dom targets lushen there I lose

[delicate spruce]

you're not supposed to use mihyang on theo

you use mihyang on dom

[simple pelican]

oh wow

[delicate spruce]

don't forget mihyang has auto crit... she easily kills wind

her strip is extremely unreliable, never gamble it on theo

[simple pelican]

alright ill know that for next time

[fallen ginkgo]

You also can go +wind left side artis on MY and it does even more damage because no one is building Dom on -water artis left side.

[simple pelican]

yea

[simple pelican]

last few sieges have been going good except for jeanne leo helena. Ive been losing with it a lot.

today was 9-1 with this being the only loss

I think helena into chandra is just always inting isnt it

I thought, this team has no immunity, jeanne can keep chandra in check

I missed provoke on jeanne and chandra like 3 times

and eventually helena died

[fluid coral]

Can’t you just… tetra malite +1 and press auto?

[simple pelican]

guess who ran out of tetra after 3 hits

[fluid coral]

Ok

Vero

[simple pelican]

I mean yeah that works

but my question really is, how to stop inting with jeanne leo helena

I just dont think I understand the off

[fluid coral]

Idk I don’t use JLH

[chilly bough]

Fuck JLH

(I don't own Helena lol)

(Jayke had the same wtf where do I use jlh question recently)

[simple pelican]

yeah I read that part of his thread a while ago

I didnt get any wiser really

ofc Ill always look to disable spd scaling dds with it

but I thougt it can also work well into no immunity defs, like this one

but then chandra comes in

[fallen ginkgo]

Yeah jlh into chandra is bad because he can defend the units that you want to kill and then hit Helena. Plus he boosts atb with S3, so he can help his team to move. Jeanne has a cleanse plus a provoke which can kill helena's momentum. I think this particular defense was not quite the right place for it.

[simple pelican]

yea learned it the hard way

[south vault]

I use that off into certain variations of ashour taranys +ld

but I can't realistically say it's that great there either

[delicate spruce]

at its core jeanne leo helena is a leo team

you use leo into monsters with spd scaling skills (think things like ifrits, beast riders), or at least some super fast defs that you can't safely outspeed (think things like sylvia, lora, etc)

"defs with no immunity" is something that never even crosses my mind when thinking about what to use this on

i mean yea if the def has immunity you can't use this, but the majority of defs don't have immunity

[simple pelican]

yeah Its just been really hard finding defenses that I can use it on. Almost every single sav defense I see has moore/chandra lead, which is way too scary

[simple pelican]

question about this wgb def I want to hit (only mihyang is runed right now)

my first thought it to double snipe this, I thought a bit about bruisering it but couldnt really figure out the aoe defbreak + strip stun threat there is in this def

I also wanted to try feng vela mihael but moore strip into kiki can screw me over I think

about the doublesnipe:
I obviously snipe molly first, then kiki
do I go with mihyang on molly? or sonia

Im not very confident in mihyang

[balmy mantle]

another skillup on s2 probably helps

[delicate spruce]

mihyang is not a true sniper

you can use her to snipe squishies like carc or clara, but a lot of times in those cases even if you don't 1 shot the carc or clara it's still a safe 3v2 (i.e. no sustain on def)

there is no way in hell mihyang kills any of these 3 units

you can praline it though

[simple pelican]

praline cov sonia (on cd4)?

[delicate spruce]

the advantage of the spd based double snipe is just so you can race easier

[simple pelican]

with praline lead then I guess

[delicate spruce]

there is not a major swift threat on htis def so you don't need it (i guess you can consier swift moore but even then, meh)

[simple pelican]

yeah I considered it but I guess thats just a risk ill have to take

[delicate spruce]

yes praline cov sonia is fine

if you want to bruiser it, you cant use feng vela mihael

not enough sustain/cleanse, especially passive cleanse since you will get cc'ed hard

best bruiser would be something like tesa tetra vero juno etc

[simple pelican]

took me over an hour to figure everything out but here are some wgb hits:

1. honestly took so long to realize hyanes is my best option, I didnt like the idea of wind robo here so I tried to cook with poseidon, it worked fine but felt a bit weird, maybe wind robo still better here
2. we talked about this, was still very close due to not runing my cov fast enough, both kiki and moore cut
3. I think this is fine
4. wanted to use leo here too but its on 3R so. bolv seemed like best option
5. dom can kill through immunity, juno + tetra can tank for a while

[delicate spruce]

1. is this a case of needing to find the best +1 if you don't have verad?

[simple pelican]

yes

[delicate spruce]

@chilly bough do you have any ideas? you've probably thought much harder about this than i have

i don't like poseidon here, he doesn't have any hard cc

2. so you went praline > sonia > got cut? how fast is your praline and cov?

5. this is a bit scary using juno to tank manon. most of the time should be fine, but if you run into dmg manon and get a bit unlucky with byung and manon procs, can easily lose juno

[simple pelican]

im not sure about the exact numbers since I loaded my default runes again. praline was around +195 with sonia tuned at +160ish
cov at +155

[delicate spruce]

thats too slow, +155 cov is tuned to only like +170ish praline

[simple pelican]

yeah I knew it wasnt tuned (which should be fine) but didnt realize how slow it really was

[delicate spruce]

i think the issue a lot of you are having is that you're having trouble identifying what monsters are potentially fast or swift units

versus what monsters are not

you can't just look at if there's a speed lead or not

there can be cases where the def has a spd lead but no swift threat

and there can be cases where the def has hp lead but a swift threat

(not that that's what's going on here - i'm just saying in general

because here moore is a spd lead and a swift threat)

if there is something that's can be fast you do need to be fast and have your stuff tuned

[simple pelican]

I see

[delicate spruce]

the other thing that's applicable in other cases (but not this one) is that you can cheat and have your 3rd monster not tuned if your 2nd monster is tuned but snipes the swift threat

maybe i'm talking too much without even trying to understand why you fucked up

was your cov not tuned by accident? or was it intentional and you thought you didn't need to race?

[simple pelican]

a mix of rune issue and thinking swift moore isnt that common

[delicate spruce]

note it didn't even need to be a swift moore to cut you with your speeds

it's not uncommon for a random newb to slap on their best despair set on a moore

[simple pelican]

yeah just checked swgt

[delicate spruce]

and it happens to be like +170ish

that was enough to cut your cov

random newbs aren't going to rune things to be on tick

ok so you were aware that your cov wasn't tuned

[simple pelican]

yes

[delicate spruce]

and just thought you could cheat in this situation

ok

i know in someone else's thread i floated the "+180 spd" number for praline

so first, your cov isn't even tuned to a +180 spd praline, so this is way too slow in practically all cases

and second, this isn't a def where the +180 spd number applies to. because moore can be a fast spd threat

you have to go much much faster

not even because of swift moore

but because someone can just put a very fast despair/vio set on him

[simple pelican]

I see

I think if I really want to doublesnipe properly ill have to go back to giants though

+173 cov is not really something I can do

while still doing dmg

especially in wgb where I potentially want to use some of these swift runes somewhere else

[delicate spruce]

shouldn't have left in the first place

[simple pelican]

probably not no

[delicate spruce]

also you can just use swop or swtools for tuning praline

swgt is way too much work for simple tuning

[chilly bough]

Rosemary

Has to be water (or LD, but you get the point)

Freeze + pushback

The CD is very low

During the second cycle you will start getting freezes guaranteed

[simple pelican]

oh wow thats a great idea

[chilly bough]

Poseidon is bad

Yeah I don't usually like talking about CC team knowledge because it's not well known to be honest

But I'll give you that

[simple pelican]

ty

[delicate spruce]

wait but the first turn is dangerous right

maybe even tyron is good

[nova spindle]

any chance gildong would be usable in that slot in that case? idk if its pushing it

strip+def break on s3 with decent add damage scaling, multi hit s2 stun and s1 glancing/att debuff that can be increased by hyanes as well

not having atb control probably makes it worse than tyron right

[simple pelican]

I dont see what gildong does there

the strips come from hyanes with backup from dark homie

[nova spindle]

oh nvm the turn other doesnt let him do his thing

[simple pelican]

after that you want hard cc and atb contrl

[nova spindle]

yeah just ignore it he needs slow first to have consistent stun that wouldnt make sense with the turn order that is used

[chilly bough]

I'll share replay in guild

[simple pelican]

is there a way I can also see it
im testing in battle research against this def that was already there

and first turn is very dangerous for me

[fluid coral]

Isn’t this what malite is for

[simple pelican]

I dont know

[chilly bough]

I wouldn't recommend it specifically against Taranys

It's not an alternative there

Realistically speaking you are taking this into defenses that do not have a wind unit

There's still a risk on turn 1

I think it's scary if they are 286 specifically

Alternatively jeongnam is an option

Again same thing

Don't use into Taranys

If you want to hit Taranys you're gonna need Verad for that if you want it to be reasonably safe

[simple pelican]

alright thanks

[chilly bough]

I honestly don't feel like jeongnam gives enough cc though

I feel like rosemary is a lot better

Okeanos is better if there isn't a water unit that has to be controlled

Sagar is also very good

Same deal, no fire unit if you wanna use sagar

[simple pelican]

I dont have jeongnam anyway
thanks for the options

[chilly bough]

Oh

If you're super poverty

Wind robo is good too

Again same deal

[balmy mantle]

@chilly bough is there any permutation that works without Verad into ashour brita taranys? From what I’ve seen all the alternatives you’re throwing out don’t work into rgb

[delicate spruce]

is there a good ld aoe cc monster

eredas?

[fallen ginkgo]

Lavender maybe

[simple pelican]

tried lavender in battle research, didnt feel much better than rosemary

mightve been wrong piloting tho

eredas might be cool but I dont like his activation rate

[chilly bough]

If there is I don't know it

I've tested a lot of stuff

I mean if you have LD5s there are options

Shan for example

Dark Douglas

[simple pelican]

quick wgb hits:
3) sagar valid here? realized after pressing play theres 3 units with stun potential on s1. (with possibly despair nana) so provoke/reset control can be dangerous I think?
4) I still dont know how to beat this with 4*, I think jlh is fine for wgb but siege also exists so
5) cooked this up, seems very normal to me

[fluid coral]

[simple pelican]

[fluid coral]

5 is fine but id much rather dozer it

4 works

3.... id like to see an actual cc

[simple pelican]

wind robo

[chilly bough]

I like Sagar too but try wind robo

[simple pelican]

its just those s1 stuns feel very

[simple pelican]

I want to improve this def a bit, dont really know what to put on leftside, this wont live any cleave with or without -ele

it is g1, ent has told me people tend to just bruiser everything and forget about cleave so I went for vio eshir (also the fact that swift eshir is super fake)

[delicate spruce]

you showed 2 mihyangs

[simple pelican]

oh oops

[delicate spruce]

first, skill up your units

[delicate spruce]

if you can't skill them up

don't run the def. run something else

[simple pelican]

just checked since last time I got enough 4*s to skill monte s2 and mihyang s3

so its just mihyang s2 missing 2

[delicate spruce]

all 3 of your units are missing skillups

[simple pelican]

ill put this one on hold until I get the skillups then

[chilly bough]

Don't run this defense it sucks

Run something better is my first suggestion

Monte in g1 especially is very meme

[simple pelican]

i also have carc iris seren runed but uhm

that def is also not doing great

[chilly bough]

Can post runes and maybe we can troubleshoot

You gotta define "not great" also

[simple pelican]

ill do that tmrw, its scuffed because I runed stuff for rush

[simple pelican]

1-9

[simple pelican]

ok im gonna post it when I fix it I realized my carc is one grind away from tick since I regemmed a rune

that was fast

the skillups missing on seren is also something I missed, have the devils

[chilly bough]

I think I figured out why it's not winning

It's runed like fucking garbage

You're trying to beat bruiser right

What unit do you think people go for first

Or at least test the waters of first

If they are bruisering this

[simple pelican]

I think carc?

I really dont know how to rune defs, especially if I dont know how to bruiser them myself

if I HAD to hit this I would julie it

[chilly bough]

look at that poor little guy

if tractor touches him with his big thumb he's gonna fall over and have his knee broken

[simple pelican]

do I just rune him tankier on cr then? or full tank

[chilly bough]

#1048719420870107227

[simple pelican]

[chilly bough]

to answer your question because you are my friend

normally i would just say

go read beginner pvp

because this is answered there

you want to rune carcano as a bruiser

[simple pelican]

Im missing something very obvious

[chilly bough]

does that look like a bruiser to you

[simple pelican]

no

[chilly bough]

okay

well

that's part 1

part 2 is

again in #1048719420870107227

accuracy is relevant for carcano

it's certainly not the lowest acc carc i've ever seen, but you should not be building carc on cdmg here

to answer as clearly as possible

cr slot 4

build tankier

[simple pelican]

im reruning rn

[chilly bough]

with carcano getting 286 with HP% or ATK% slot 2 shouldn't be that hard either

also seren is moving before carc

which

well

think about it for a minute

[simple pelican]

yeah no it makes no sense

[chilly bough]

156+131 = 287
145+154 = 299

that would be

another reason why your defense isn't winning

because its just not tuned properly

if i was some dumb idiot bozo

and i ran TWL into this

and for some reason

seren moves BEFORE carc

i would be like

holy shit #blessed

[simple pelican]

I dont even farm the bozos

[chilly bough]

that's why you're not winning

build carc tankier

make him move BEFORE seren but AFTER iris

Iris -> Carc -> seren

and trim some of the unneeded speed off seren

its ok tian lang kumar kiki is still owning right

[simple pelican]

it went 10-20 I think

[chilly bough]

that's really good

[simple pelican]

but it kinda uses up most of my good vio runes

is this acc acceptable if I run 16% s3 acc arti

[simple pelican]

then for carc to move before seren I can do this (purple grind to make it 286)
I dont have a proper hp% s2 so this is on atk%/cr/atk%

is a super squishy seren acceptable in this def

(it has one completely ungrinded rune)

[chilly bough]

I like to err on the side of more tankiness

But if this is what you are cooking with send it

[quasi mesa]

this may be irrelevant but I love your reply lol

[rocky timber]

+1

[simple pelican]

10-0, question about this:
is this not possible to hyanes without verad? or is there a +1 that can do this.
I was mostly scared of not landing on byung for some reason, so went with wind robo. I figured on -fire I could tank a carc hit before it dies

I couldnt, wind robo got one shot lol. got the win but could very well have lost here

or is the general thing just, dont do this into carc, if he takes a turn you wont land anything on him anymore

[nova spindle]

ig anything not elemental neutral as the +1 makes it not that reliable

i personally never saw anyone running that without verad besides ppl making stuff for content

[buoyant wraith]

there's some stuff

@chilly bough knows a few

[simple pelican]

scarlet already listed some options before, I went through them for this hit

none of the seemed very good

[buoyant wraith]

hm

well for this defense in particular

there's no swift threat so you could probably tiana gally cp

[simple pelican]

no cp

my options with tiana are poseidon or zaiross

and none of those sound super safe

[buoyant wraith]

zaiross sounds

okay

85% comp

[simple pelican]

I dont do those anymore

[buoyant wraith]

i do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[simple pelican]

zaiross doesnt even sound 85

I dont think he can reset theo

[buoyant wraith]

idt that's too big of an issue

i think it's probably 90, could be wrong tho

[simple pelican]

thats okay enough for 'if I have to hit it' for me

but if theres a hyanes angle here I would love to know it

[chilly bough]

You're using wind robo into a fire unit

[simple pelican]

[buoyant wraith]

my intuition here is that most bruisers probably die- so don't think abt bruisers into this

[chilly bough]

Do not do this

[buoyant wraith]

imo seems pretty safe?

[chilly bough]

There's a carc and you have two wind units

How

You glance/res checks

[buoyant wraith]

even if you full glance on carc don't you still probably win most of the time

[chilly bough]

Most of the time you win on offense

[buoyant wraith]

tiana s2 always hits

[chilly bough]

That's how offense works

[buoyant wraith]

seems 90wr to me

[chilly bough]

If carc glances then procs you lose

[simple pelican]

yeah it was very stupid

is there an option tho

[chilly bough]

Ok so why are we recommending a 90 winrate offense

That's bad

[buoyant wraith]

fair enough

[chilly bough]

I don't want to talk about any more CC teams sorry

[buoyant wraith]

90wr equal to my wr this siege

[chilly bough]

It's not well known enough

[simple pelican]

understandable

[chilly bough]

You can do it with wind robo

When there isnt fire unit

A large amount of the time

[buoyant wraith]

scarlet

[buoyant wraith]

just wanna confirm this intuition is correct?

[simple pelican]

that and the complete randomness of defbreaks is really annoying for me to figure that out

[buoyant wraith]

carc isn't completely random

[fossil dragon]

Carcano (Fire Sniper Mk.I)

Wikia

3. Dead Eye (Passive)

Decreases the Defense of the enemy with the worst HP status for 1 turn at the start of each turn. [Automatic Effect]

Neg. Effects

Decrease DEF (1 round(s))

provided by SWARFARM

[buoyant wraith]

theo is tho ig

[simple pelican]

theo is tho

[buoyant wraith]

but yeah so that's why i think it looks like cc- cuz you can't sonia byung apparently

maybe kahli sonia mihy

but byung still scary

so nvm

[simple pelican]

I dont think 'I' can

[simple pelican]

1. I think this was trapped? sonia didnt kill chandra. ill explain with extra images below why I think this
2. felt a bit meh with tl getting atb from dhomie s1, was still fine tho
3. kill odin again with mihyang and it should be fine
4. Im pretty sure ive made this mistake before. jlh into rakan sucks
5. standard

[buoyant wraith]

What was the plan for byung

[delicate spruce]

its not much of a trap

if you dont use sonia with spd buff she's not any better than a cov or other f2p sniper

in fact she's probably worse than a covenant

[buoyant wraith]

Sonia bases are nicer than covs

[delicate spruce]

plus what rwang said

cov has 4x multiplier

sonia has 3.5x

[buoyant wraith]

But no matter what happens byung is soloing you more than half the time I’d imagine

[simple pelican]

first of all, no will anywhere, shield sets. on my dmg dummy (bolv with 1 shield set) I deal 79k (with -23 wind on bolv). I dealt 46k on chandra

[delicate spruce]

read sonias skills

[simple pelican]

oh

oh

im dumb

[buoyant wraith]

No spd buff basically

[delicate spruce]

your bolv is slow

that chandra is probably a "normal" speed which is actually still faster than your sonia

[buoyant wraith]

But also, bro has never seen swift Chandra

💀

[delicate spruce]

doesn't even have to be swift

[buoyant wraith]

Swift outspeeds praline is the problem

[simple pelican]

I didnt consider the swift as a part of sonia lacking dmg no

[buoyant wraith]

Right? Ashour just pew pews his poor Sonia and then he loses

[delicate spruce]

yea but no one is going to do swift chandra

don't confuse him

this has nothing to do with swift chandra or not

[buoyant wraith]

Well, yeah. but just another problem is that you shouldn’t be pralining Chandra’s in the first place- seperate from the issue of Sonia losing passive value without spd buff

[simple pelican]

honestly I couldve done cov/fire kass. put praline on a shield set and this would be much better for this def

no?

[delicate spruce]

yes, but only if you have decent runes

[buoyant wraith]

@delicate spruce is this an acceptable dog rat gun

Or is that comp shyt

[delicate spruce]

first can we stop saying dog rat gun it's cringe

[buoyant wraith]

Fine, khmun rat cov

Lol

[simple pelican]

these are the snipe sets I used

[delicate spruce]

just annoying in the context of this channel

[simple pelican]

covs set is starving I know

[delicate spruce]

no one knows what it's referring to

other than your usual old people

[buoyant wraith]

Fair enough

[delicate spruce]

but no of course not

you can't even reliably kill these tanky stuff with attack buff

how do you expect to kill them without attack buff

[buoyant wraith]

Fair enough

[chilly bough]

How was 2r

[simple pelican]

missed a lot on tl and he got s2 off after my first turns, he got a stun on hyanes
rosemary started going off after this and the only turn he took was a s1 from tl

really like rosemary here

[chilly bough]

It's no Verad but should still produce good results when used properly

[simple pelican]

[fluid coral]

There 👏 are 👏 leo 👏 offenses 👏 without 👏 helena 👏

[simple pelican]

please teach me how to use them

ive used leo feng tetra a few times

but tetra was in r5

[fluid coral]

Your raid team uses a healer?

Oh round 5

[simple pelican]

ROUND 5

[fluid coral]

[simple pelican]

!

[fluid coral]

Why don’t you just malite r5

[simple pelican]

uhm

because ive never used my malite before

and Im not super sure how to use him

[delicate spruce]

you can use a number of other healers for r5 anyway

like lulu

there's no point in tetra there, the strength of tetra is that she can heal even when she is cc'ed

but that def isn't even going to cc tetra, so tetra isn't the best pick

[simple pelican]

I see, will be using my lulu there from now on then

[simple pelican]

another doublesnipe question:
the plan here is to snipe platy and shahat, let irene trap either colleen or fire kass and I should easily win the 2v1 in either scenario
Is swift irene a threat that I should look out for here?

if thats the case, can I go praline (L) cov fire kass, resulting in the praline+cov vs irene (I dont know if this 2v1 is super safe but should be fine I think)

[fallen ginkgo]

You know what would be funny is if it was swift Shahat. That's insane person behavior but it would be hilarious

[simple pelican]

dont make my brain hurt

[fallen ginkgo]

I don't think swift shahat is ever built though. Not worth it.

[simple pelican]

I think ive heard the swift irene thing before, but it was in tourney context iirc

[chilly bough]

wtf

stop jayke

in all seriousness though

no there's no swift threat

if you lose to swift shahat/irene/whatever

it's ok guys unluck go next

[simple pelican]

[chilly bough]

just be careful that your booster is actually fast enough

so you don't randomly get outsped

nobody at this rank is gonna run them swift

[simple pelican]

+206 is what im deploying probably

second set

[fading sable]

with that kind of def i don't think i'd even be worried

[chilly bough]

so what's the combat speed we have

[simple pelican]

uh