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yeah cheers back up now
They actually seemed to have pushed another patch that fixed it yeah
since some days ago i've suddenly been unable to alt+tab and alt+f4 when WoW is running
anyone know have an idea of what might be causing the issue?
does it usually take this long for maintenance
If they add bigger stuff like the AH merge, yeah
Routine ones are quicker
k
anyone?
With the region wide ah will you be able to transfer gold between realms by selling something like an ore for a high price and buying it with a character from another realm ?
Or you just will not be able to buy items posted by your characters on your account
no, because you 1. can't buy from specific sellers and 2. you can't buy your own stuff still. (unless you're using two accounts).
I know that you can not buy from specific sellers , you could just post a thorium bar for example for 100k gold and you would be the only one for that price , but yeah thanks
Where is the wow beginners chat
Hey, I'm needing a good weakaura for elemental sham. Is there one someone would suggest?
kinda new, just wanted to ask if raid loot is guaranteed for you to get first time? say, if i want a higher iLvl "Splintered heart of Al'ar" will i be able to loot it at 100% on mythic/heroic? thank you
No
oh ok, thank you
is the server down again
i cant log in, eu
says world server is down
Helloo
Does anyone knows about druid balance rotaition?
so i just started WoW, im trying to talk to the stable master with lindie but lindie doesnt move and i cant continue the quest line
what do i do
show me sc
just zoom out on map, should show you where to go
Hello everyone, how to make a set with the necessary stats, I got shoulders with haste versality stats, and when I made them set, the stats became critical, mastery, I use a translator, sorry.
You can't change the stats of the resulting item, as they're fixed. The only stuff that gets added and transferred are sockets and minor tertiary stats (Speed, Leech, and so on).
And how can I get it with the right stats then? Luck?
You can't. That's why I'm saying they're fixed. If the resulting item has Crit and Haste, there's nothing you can do to change that, at all.
It doesn't matter what stats the original item had, it's only the ItemLevel that affects the new item (plus sockets and the mentioned minor tertiary stats).
Everything should be explained here:
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/creation-catalyst-crafting-tier-sets-shadowlands-patch-92
My bad, I wasnt on, so I'm at the stable master with lindie, and it says to talk with the stable master with lindie, but I cant, and when I try to interact with the other npcs they talk but I cant respond back
hi there i've taken up abominable stitching in the hopes to finish the veilstrider achievement. what i don't get is that when you craft a fashion accessory, they don't disappear in the recipe list of the stitchyard. is there any good in crafting them more than once? (eg. dundaes hat)
why is the outlaw rogue so much better than the rest of the rogues
im just wondering
ive seen a alot of stats online
that support this but im unsure as to why
Does more damage
true
can anyone give me a help with scripts? need to check if a quest is done
but idk how to exactly do it
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(64597))
its something like this but how do i check for each diff
just replace the number with your quest's number
i have 281 ilvl, should i do the timewalking dungeons thru dungeon finder? it says it will scale to my lvl? but do i get meanigful rewards?
if ur 281 there arent much gear rewards besides the weekly
How often does world quests show up ?
hey, this is a bit of a weird question, but does anyone know the in-game syntax for item ids? like, for putting them into, say, a manual filter on AdiBags.
i'm trying to add a custom section on AdiBags for M+ keystones, but it's refusing to take the item id i found for mythic keystones.
...nevermind, trying it with a different id worked.
apparently the specific id i found on wowhead was just invalid...lol
For future reference, I reccomend having an addon that shows IDs on tooltips so you always know the exact correct ID for anything you might need
thank you. i did just do some searching for an addon like that, i think i found one but it took me a while...lol
I havent really played wow much but I have always wanted to get into it, is it better to do normal or class? I am unsure
Normal, classic is how the game was 18 years ago
with design ideas from 20 years ago
anything you would suggest for someone new
Join a popular realm, try avoid death knight and demon hunter since their starting zones won’t give u a tutorial or teach you what to do, have fun 
which wow should I pick classic or other ?
Retail/shadowlands
okay
A lot more new player friendly, straight forward and generally just more to do
Anyone else have a problem with Druid class hall quest I finish the 4 artifact quest then i cant get any more quest?
Okay so I just redownloaded wow and got on and it randomly lags when I am on it but when i tab out to do other things its still open on my other screen it looks fine and there is no issue, I have played a little wow in the past with no issue but all of asudden its laggy and its on and off
hello! so i just got my girdle of unity upon completing Zereth Mortis campaign
can i do endgame content now? or do i need to kill the jailer first
in theory you could have done endgame content as soon as you hit 60 
Get some gear following this guide: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/how-to-gear-shadowlands-item-level-rewards
when you feel like your gear is good enough and you know what you're doing you can try to get into Mythic+ Keys and Raids.
ty!
also, i want to level an alt, up to which point do i have to complete? i dont need to go through the entire campaign again right? thatd be crazy
no, at the start you get options to skip the introduction-parts and Korthia and Zereth Mortis open up as soon as you skip the intro's
Yo so I want that slime cat REALLY badly and Idk what ilevel would be good to start doing normal fated. I'm at 245 right now is that enough or should they be higher
i suggest 270
but you may be able to do it with your current ilvl
i just know we only accept people with 270+ and it is already hard enough with unexperienced random players
two SEVENTY? by the time I reach that dragonflight will already be out
but uh thanks for the advice
rule of thumb (for me at least) has been to be about 10 ilvl lower than what the content rewards and normal fated drops 278 minimum
i recommend to do some mythic + content
yes (well mythic+ that is. not just mythic)
what's the difference?
its harder, modifiers get applied (called affixes like the fated affix for the raids you want to do) which will cause various effects and higher keys make the dungeon even harder which also rewards even better loot. Start with a +2 or something but whatever dungeon you plan on doing you should read/watch a guide for it since you're completly new to it
ah ok
I want to continue Vol'dun Storyline, but I don't know which quests are left.
BtW Quests addon really really helps with that
Hello guys its possible to play beta lich king?
we only need a subsc?
Hey would anyone be able to help me with the Blood infusion quest quickly/
on horde
can anyone help me i can equip sharp arrows in classic tbc
Could anyone help me with torghast EU Horde?
So I just arrived at level 50 I completed zuldar zones and voldum zone also unlocked the vulpera now I need 2 areas in nazmir to finish all 3 zones but I need heart of azeroth to keep going how do I get it
Look for a dwarf with a quest, by the capital city of your zandalar faction
Zandalar faction ?
like boralus if you're alliance or great seal if you're the good one
I mean I'm on great seal but can't find any dwarf with a quest
idk should be here
but yeah should had looked at the quest instead, much faster 😂
goes back to Dad of Boi
Found it thx
He was outside
If the great seal
Now il finish nazmir and continue clearing the quests and stuff to unlock zandalari trolls
Why can't I proceed with nazmir questline
I need to start doing everything contained
It says I need to get a quest from lashek to start it but he dosent have anything for me he just says what do you want
I tried I searched Google and searched yt and I have no idea where to go or what to do
when (which exp) did raid lockouts become personal, so that you could join any raid to kill bosses?
Hi, I just started as zandalari character. now lvl 18. i wanna go to pandaria but it wont let me go through the portal? do i need to be a certain lvl?
You need to start the quest iirc. It will be from Nazgrim in Grommash Hold in the Valley of Strength
whats a good class to start as?
All race, class, and spec combinations are viable for all forms of content so just choose what seems like the most fun to you and don't be afraid to experiment. However, keep in mind that death knights and demon hunters have their own starting zones that assume you already know how to play and cannot start in the new Exile's Reach starting tutorial zone--so if you're new or inexperienced then they won't be the best option
ok thank you
Most players have all classes leveled to a certain degree, so don't be afraid of trying new stuff. As much as the game is about the "endgame", it's also about having fun 😛
...though leveling might not be the most fun the game has to offer
Questing is cool if you like the story you're being told though
Leveling a rogue is the wooooooorst
what class do you guy recommend just curious
A leveled rogue is great, leveling a rogue is like huffing broken glass
The one you're best at and enjoy playing the most
Though I leveled mine in legion so it has rained a bit
Wait the flask isn’t baseline on all specs?
idk i only play captain rogue
Oops leveled all my rogues as outlaw
Bloodsail Admiral outlaw rogue, of course xD
And Light Weight idk man what do you usually like to play in these kind of games?
Yeah, I’d say just pick something and if you aren’t having fun make something else
If you like sitting still and pump spells out of your ass you might like casters, be warlocks, priests, mages, druids or shamans
i havent really played these games much
If you prefer to be on the trenches (melee) there're several options too
what is a good specialization for warlock@vale hawk
!gumball
what
Like I said earlier all race, class, and spec combinations are viable for all forms of content. Pick the one with the playstyle you enjoy the most and are better at playing
Literally every single spec works
So it's up to how do you like the gameplay of it
Anyone have an idea what can I do I'm still trying to figure out how to continue nazmir questline
I'm stuck in everything contained I don't seem to have any of the quests
Did you skip any other quests, and are there any
markers when you pull up the zone map
No
I did all the required quests
I followed with a guide for nazmir questline in wowhead
I tried looking into Google some say I need the heart of azeroth to continue so I went and got it some say I need to start not from slumber no more but from other quests but they're also nor available
how do i access the auction market
U can go to main cities and press/ask the guards for directions,and u can find there the auctioneer
ok
is the subtlety spec any good i know its not like amazing but is it decent
!gumball
im willing to try pvp for it
also what do you mean by not amazing it was the meta spec in Season 3 man. Its viable like every other spec 
People follow what the top players do or what sims highest, doesn’t make other specs obsolete, and sub is still very good in pvp
hello lads im wondering how i can get back to maldrum from the wizards sanctum
in stormwind city
@everyone
my game wont update, it has been like this for the last couple hours
Try pausing and closing bnet
Or rebooting
Sorry then friend ¯_(ツ)_/¯
maybe reinstall it and this time choose a different path and preferable a different drive if possible. see if that changes anything
i'll try 👍
anyone know if you can coin kor'kron shamans treasure
Guys I cant see any staircases/objecitve in battleground
seems like everything is hidden
any idea why ?
or even staircase in towns
ok ppl pls, is just me or wow is broken after the update?
go on?
list too long to go on
ah....then no, i've not experienced a list of long problems since WoW's last update sorry
yo im a returning player its been 2 years since i last played anybody wanna help me relearn the game
baso if ur struggling that much create a new char get teh hang of things and go to ur old char
so im doing progress on loremaster
and i was on Vashj'ir
but i got summoned to do a key
and dont see any portals to go back
anyone knows if I can save my "talent" selection on https://de.wowhead.com/arms-warrior-rotation-guide or any similar page?
use case: when I re-visit the page it should have my talents on it again.
in both capital citys there is a ring of cataclysm portals. one of those portals goes to Vashj'ir
nope im not in game and i also am a horde player but i THINK its in the northern part of stormwind. It should be a visable circle of portals (you could also say like a shire of some sort) on the map
if you look at the stormwind map, the small island in the lake on the north east side
can i check out my mounts in game without an active subscription? rather not reinstall to find out i can't
yeah, trough the website
just hit the search-button at the top and enter your characters name
this is for EU, so change to US if you are there
i recommend https://simplearmory.com/
Simplified armory site for World of Warcraft
but yeah i think you can check out your mounts in game. you can learn riding at 20 afterall and the collection tab should be available from the get go
awesome okay thanks!
Hi, im new to WoW can someone h help me? I dont know what class to go
Pick any
warlock op
that was my first class anyway
@inland ruinLiterally any combination of race, class and specialization works
So try to find something that fits your playstyle
hello, i am using wow pro guides and its telling me to do a part of a quest but i cant do it is this a common bug with this addon i am new
Don't use a guide if you're new, they don't work very well
ok
Just follow the quests and level up at your own pace
i just dont really know wtf im doing or how to level well so i thought it would help
I understand, but given you're in Battle for Azeroth zone (Boralus etc) you really only need to follow the yellow❗on the map
There's no going wrong by following the quest markers there 😛
that is a good point
Like yeah even I myself get lost on old world stuff but the newer stuff is muuuuuuuch easier to follow
yea i wanted to get into wow for a long time and i bought shadowlands a while back too but i cant get through this levelling process 😄
i think one of my main issues are getting around everywhere
like i dont know the ways to go from one place to another and i dont feel like the game really shows u well
I genuinely feel like fury war is mega easy and sustainable
warlock isn't amazing
unless you like spamming chaos bolt ofc
That’s like saying fury isn’t good unless ur pressing raging blow
Warlock currently is amazing in basically all forms of content, not like it matters since unless ur doing very high content you can play whatever you want
I mean speaking highest content demo currently is a lot better than fury

does adventure guide not reccomend quests like it used to, i tryna get some direction of what to do but its just reccomending me skirmishes and stuff
Are you sure warlock has more survivability than fury though
Can assure you
just drain?
healthstones
hs is like 25% XD
More health, one of the best cds in the game with dark pact, very good passive healing with soul leech, hs, and a 40% dr
Move the pepega convo to somewhere else please XD filling the chat
uuuuuuuuuuh I wouldn't know, legit have never quested using the adventure guide >.< what level are you?
39
Mb was meant to disagree with their response but dragged it on 
ok i just used the pro guides thing to start the bfa intro, i think the reason it wasnt working was cause i selected to start a guide for a quest i didnt fully have access to yet, think im sorted now
🤞
I have a question who is the voice actress in the start of Vanilla wow cinematic ? and who is the talking character ?
Does anyone in know who the narrator in the original cinematic is (not the actress, but the character)? It probably isn't anyone in particular, but it's something I've always wondered. Maybe some of you have your own ideas...
We know Illidan narrates the TBC cinematic, Terenas does WotLK, and Deathwing does Cataclysm. So who is that woman?
...
And I don't think it's any named character in particular
I mean.. there is official source ?
No
A lot of voice acting stuff is credited by ear
Given games or media in general doesn't properly credit
Isn't it WC3 Tyrande's voice actor?
Some said that, others said Maiev's
can someone help me defeat a quest boss the boss name is overseer akrath
what
Can i have an enchant and a sharpening stone on a weapon at the same time?
Do you still need to have be exalted for tauren heritage armor ?
Yes
Yes, but you can’t use oils along with sharpening stones
For Melee, you want Stones > oils for the most part

hey so how do i link a transmog in chat?
You copy/paste the link.
You create your transmog on Wowhead and then share the link: https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room
Once you create it, you can save it to your profile for future viewing.
figured it out ty
I logged out at the end of a TW court of stars and today it says my toon is still there, however it says world server is down when I try loading in the toon
anyone know a fix?
Log onto another character for like 5 min
ty will try
Good morning everyone - Would you all advise (first time through) of doing all side quests in each new Shadowlands zone or just focus on the main story one? I'm wanting to get to 60 and be able to unlock flying, which I believe requires the full story in each zone to be completed
I gotcha, thank you
Hello guys, I am a complete new player to WoW, is there anything I need to know beforehand?
did anyone try Dragon Soul for the mount this week?
it may be bugged, this is what I'm getting
killed 4 mobs already, one of them died very close to where you see the red text "Hi" in the picture too, but it still didn't work
This might seem like a silly question but are you getting them to 9 stacks so they blow up?
Oh nvm, I see
Strange maybe it is bugged it’s been so long since I’ve tried for those mounts
last week was working fine
I do this every week
with more characters too
I tried to wipe and retry... to no avail...
if someone else does this mount run, please give us feedback
story first and then go back and do all sidequests?
multitask in the area you're in
Hi I have a little questions about night fae queen's conservatory : when a plent a catalyst it put an effect on the empty cocoon near and if I put no soul in it and wait the catalyst is gone and plant another, I still have the boost from previous catalyst, do they all count ? Implying we can have the 4 purple one to get mount even not on the 4 catalyst spot
some one wanna play? I am very new
how do i play the alpha ??
You get invited to it
when and how?
You'll know if you received an invitation to the email address associated with your bnet account
can that also be phone number if i dont use email??
iirc you need to have an email address to make your bnet account in the first place
You do need an email to make an account, yes
Either way I think the Alpha is still for community members and friends
oh
wish i had an invite now xD
wait do i need to do anything to get an invite or not
It's not just for anyone. Invites are sent out to community and family members, people who have a track record of making reports and filing bugs on live or PTR or in previous alphas and betas, or for press release reasons
I have another problem... I'm playing Stormheim's storyline on my shaman, for the class items, I finished https://www.wowhead.com/quest=38816/breaking-the-bonespeakers and turned it in (along with the secondary mission given by the same npc outside)... she didn't give me the follow up, I tried relogging but she still got nothing to give me. Do you have any idea why?
(it's not in my log, I don't have many quests in my log... I would see it)
I'm stuck.. I need https://www.wowhead.com/quest=38818/the-final-judgment to continue in the storyline
which is the finale of that chain
ok, I solved the problem
there is a pre-requisite that is not mentioned in WoWhead
You should mention it then, the more people sharing correct information the better the game gets ^^
wait, tbc and wotlk arent encompassed within classic?
Hey! I am a noob and im playing through SL for the first time ever, ive been questing for hours and it seems im only on the 3/7 chapter of Bastion, do I need to really go through like 30 chapters total across all 4 zones before i pretty much hit the endgame? 😨
If it's your first time, yes--even if you hit 60 you still need to finish the introductory leveling storyline campaign before you can even join your first covenant. After that you have the covenant campaign, the Chains of Domination campaign in Korthia, and the Secrets of the First Ones campaign in Zereth Mortis.
my god
thats alot of quests
Im following through it all with the Wow pro guides addon and im supposedly on step 204/492 of Bastion 😂
It seems like a lot, but you have to take into account that it's also counting steps in a quest chain and even "go talk to this guy" quests
It will seem less daunting if you ignore those numbers, delete the guide addon, and just go off of the story chapters as they're listed in the in-game map & quest log
I didn't even realised they are so many when I finished the storylines honestly... you should only use those guides and addons to check if you did all when you can't find anything else in a place...
if you go for completism, that is, otherwise you really don't need those
they ruin the fun 😄
At least you are as the "end" patch for this SL.. so you can experience the whole story rather than have to wait on monthly basis for the story to progress
Asmongold said best time to play WoW is begining of expansion and at the last of expansion circle right before new expansion release
true, but didn't he also said he quit playing?
Didn't he also get banned recently
and unbanned
No
pretty sure he's "quit WoW" for clout many times
Now it says phone number is already in use
but I haven't even used it on another account

He quit and return... Never really "Quit". Whatever games he is not playing means he quit 🤣
Is there any guide on what gear drops from level of torghast in the adamant vaults? Ive done layer 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 two times each and haven’t gotten anything. Maybe the drop rate is just low but I just wanted to see if you can even get gear from those layers.
where do I go to find people to play with here? Is there like a looking for group page aliesh on the us west coast server that I am missing ( noob to discord and wow) lol
there are "WOW: LOOKING FOR..." categories for both US and EU how could you miss this? 
I see it just not sure which one to join yo
Hello, guys!
I'm a returning player who for now does low-level group content, but still I want to do it properly. The issue is that I prefer to cover with ElvUI as much as possible, which includes player frames. I was using Grid with MadSkillz setup before the break, but... let's just say I want to settle with Elv for now.
My issue is that I just can't understand how to setup buff highlighting with ElvUI Unit Frames so it would be visible enough. I know where to look at - Setting -> Unit Frames -> Colors -> Debuff Highlighting. Then the problem appears - while I'm solo I can't actually test how it will appear. And if I'm finally accepted in a group, it's usually "gogogo" and no one will stand still being debuffed just so I can play with settings.
So, a question for those of you who does use ElvUI unit frames. Which option is the most clear to see?
Also, would be much obliged if anyone would post a screenshot of the menu part that I highlited above, so I can get a grasp on the English titles. My menu is not in English.
hey sorry i cant directly help with this but you might wanna pay the tukui discord a visit. Im sure someone over there can help: https://discord.com/invite/tukui
Ok, thank you!
can anyone explain to me how i've only downloaded 3% of the game but it's playable?
3% is a bit exaggerated but: Streaming
The Assets that are not yet fully downloaded get Streamed on the fly. Whatever is needed now and then is basically "downloaded" right away instead of waiting until everything is downloaded. Atleast thats how i understood it. Havent thought about that in years
i'm not exaggerating. the game was playable at 3%, maybe even 2%
but thanks for the answer
i wouldnt play like this tho. Streaming the assets while playing results in longer load times, higher ping and possibly graphical errors since assets may not be streamed in time for them to be displayed
yeah i just played out of curiosity
i wouldnt play raids and stuff either way because i dont have the game yet, i'm downloading the free trial
Well, you're downloading the game. The "free trial" is a starter account, which relates to your access and not the client you're downloading
I'd still wait until it's done even if it's "playable." That only means it has the basic assets and you might be able to mess around in starting areas
And your performance will be shoddy while it's still downloading and installing
You don't get gear from torghast
torghast only drops transmogs iirc
Adamant Vaults drops cosmetic gear
it's time to choose a warrior specialization for my character. i'm having trouble deciding between arms warrior and fury warrior. what are the benefits to each?
arms has very good 2 target cleave, uncapped aoe and burst aoe, slower playstyle and can be easier to gear cause it only needs 1 weapon
fury has very consistent aoe also with good burst but for the most part is stuck to only hitting 5 targets, has a much faster playstyle/higher apm but needs 2 weapons so can be annoying to gear
arms sounds easier so i think i'll go with that
its arguably harder to min max, but generally is pretty chill to get into
also its sound effects are 
so far the sound design is pretty disappointing but i've barely spent any amount of time
i'd also like to know how expansions work. like, do i get any of them with a simple sub or do i need a game upgrade?
you get all of them with the sub besides the most current
If you have a subscription, you can play level 1-50 at present
Any expansion
Shadowlands is 51-60, and currently it requies purchasing Shadowlands
Do not purchase Shadowlands unless you really want to try and do the shadowlands content in current state, and be aware that in order to do most of the content it would still take quite some time, on the order of probably 1-3 weeks to get from 50-60, and to get geared and ready to do things
I would strongly recommend against purchasing Shadowlands at the moment and instead just focus on leveling your character, exploring things, and doing whatever catches your eye
alright, thats what i'll do
In ~2 months, Shadowlands will get folded into the base game and you'll be able to buy Dragonflight straight up
Take your time
Enjoy stuff
Try out different classes and specs
Dragonflight is currently available for $49.99 USD
holy shit
With additional tiers of purchase over the base granting other rewards
expansions are basically full games so they go for usual price
Yeah, expansions are not a small purchase, which is part of why I suggest against buying Shadowlands right now
It's on its way out and will soon not be required to purchase
So no point burning the money unless you're REALLY keen on it and have a lot of time
i have a lot of time to grind but i can wait to get shadowlands for free
Do you have people you're playing with yet?
no, i'm solo
i don't even have the full game yet, i'm on the free trial
i may be able to convince my friend to install it but i don't know if he'll stick around
Aaah
I'd recommend seeing if anyone you know plays
Going solo IS possible, but
WoW is largely a social game
It's a sizable aspect of it
i don't know a single person who's played wow before
except one actually, and he has only played for a bit
Me and some friends have played for a while and are starting back up this expansion it's looking like
A few are missing though
RIP the boys
Got about 8 so far that are confirmed
Might end up being more or less, depending on schedules and how well it all goes
You in US servers?
realms are the servers, right?
Wowhead
From now until September 5, 2022, you can claim your FREE copy of the Shadowlands Base Edition, along with a Level 50 Character Boost through the Battle.net Desktop App.
How coincidental on the timing
And yeah realms are servers
I'm not quite sure if anything specific needs to be done if you're in EU to play on NA servers tbh
i'm on the Turalyon realm
what server?
ah
Yeah you're on US then I think
We're on Malfurion, on alliance
sadge
You on Horde?
^
my realms are categorized by language not region
You're EU then
well that's weird
because my server appears in this list
they reuse alot of the names
nah you get used to it. Quel'thalas US is a Latin American server but in EU is an English server iirc
can i have multiple hotbars like in ffxiv?
yeah
how?
In interface settings should be the option to enable them
the base UI in DF will be a lot like FF14 UI
Game Options > Interface > ActionBars
ty
You can enable up to four additional bars, and even set binds for them in Game Options > Keybinds
I need wow-help y'all. I need a name for my vulpera monk. I'm all for meme names but I'm outta ideas xD
Your main action bar also scrolls
Vulpera name generator, World of Warcraft. 10,000's of combinations are available, you're bound to find one you like.
hah
It's $35
Good fit in the hand, multiple configs you can set up, 12 button default with a toggle key to get 24 if you really need
It's not nothing, but for that little over a normal mouse and the sheer amount of ease of use it gives you? If you're playing a lot, it's a worthwhile investment
How about Fuzzen? Fuzz + Zen
Ok! I named my vulpera warlock Felfoxxy, I was pretty happy with that
yh my vulpera rouge is "Missekat" lol
But i'm horde, so he's red!
I've completely given up on "rogue" vs "rouge", it's been a steadily downhill battle for 14 years
I do it enterely on purpose, i love it XD
You're an agent of chaos! I like it
i see a loot of really cool pets and mounts around, do most of these people grind for them or just pay up?
99% of them are just grind and achivements
Though there're a cool 1% that are paid, like the new kittycat mount
nice
i would lose hope for this game if the cool stuff was locked behind a paywall
That's pretty much what world first is
whats a good leggo for affliction kyrian
can someone get me throw a high dungeon iam still new
Play the game and learn
That's not a good answer for this channel
referr to your classes wowhead guide it has clear recommendations for legendaries
thats not good but since you didnt say what your problem is you now have no solutions for it. next time: https://dontasktoask.com/
then you also get how its more useful then their (non existant) question
is there any profit in being a fisherman?
Getting fish for cooking foods for m+, raid, and pvp buffs
oh ok
thanks
You’ll want your legendary as Affliction Warlock to be your Hands (Malefic Wrath) for single target requirements.
And then just have the Back (Wrath of Consumption or Relic of Demonic Synergy) for Multitarget & Mythic+ situations.
Is there any guide or video you can recommend for returning player?
I have never played SL before and I wanna know the optimal path to get myself ready for M+ and raids
Hit 60>Do all Story quests for Covenant/Zereth Mortis(You can ignore Korthia)>Look up what legendaries your class wants and what slots they should be in for BIS>Make those legendaries>Get your tier pieces/upgrade to tier pieces
Yeah that sounds correct
For what it's worth, Shadowlands is on the very tail end of its life and Dragonflight is expected to release somewhere around 2-3 months from now, so don't stress too hard
If you really want rewards for some of the SL achievements then by all means push for them, you can do it
But unless you're really keen on something like keystone master or CE or something, don't sweat it too hard
After i finish revendreth, im done with shadowlands? like i unlock the covenant
Revendreth is the final part of the levelling campaign yes
What covenant for Fury Warrior? also can i change it later
probably just night fae for m+ and kinda pvp
whats the best covenant for balance druid
Same way I can open wowhead and look for the guide, so can you
i already checked here thx but i see the they recommend ventyhr i guess but most of players using night fae iam confused
Play both and you'll understand 😂
Most players aren't top tier mythic raiders looking for the 1% upgrade
NF takes less thought, i like clicking my 1 button every 1.5 mins
can i change it after?
yes
tyy
ive been stuck on this mission for 1 hour, what am i doing wrong
kill rares and normal enemies
mmh whats your opinion then?
Venthyr is a lot more complex
how do i unlock zereth mortis?? do i need to do chains of domination or covenant campaign
Covenant campaign > Chains of Domination campaign in Korthia > Secrets of the First Ones campaign in Zereth Mortis
i really like unit frame mouseover cast. i got quickly used to it. but today i discovered it is also possible to mouse overcast on a player model in the game field. can i disable that?
i'm having issues! should i get wow classic or wow retail (shadowlands) as a player who has never ever played wow before?
No, it works for either the unit frame or the character/target you're mousing over. If you're using the mouseover cast button from the interface settings, just don't press that button
Generally recommended to play retail if you're new. Retail has an actual tutorial, an overhauled leveling system, and more quality of life features than Classic. Classic is a recreation of the game as it was back in Ye Olden Tymes so it lacks any modern features, is incredibly grindy, and not a representation of what the rest of the game is like
yeah, i wanna get retail, a lot! but the pric for it? nah
🤷
Can't help you with that. WoW has been a subscription service for 18 years and if you want to play current endgame and expansion content you need to own the current expansion
$40, xd
Worth is subjective. If the game is too much for you, then it's too much for you
You can always play for free on a limited access Starter Edition account
He’s not gonna like what it cost to play classic either lol
how do i unlock, for alt levelling, i can skip straight to unlocking covenant and zereth mortis?
Do Chapter 3 of covenant campaign then you can skip torghast intro, korthia intro, freeing the Primus and ZM intro
trial of ascension?
it appears to be the third on your list yes
Can i play up to level 20 on burning crusade? @vale hawk
No
you need sub to do classic
is tbc free?
Classic and TBC Classic both require a subscription or active gametime
Worth and affordability is different for everyone
its $12 for me, and yeah it is, for a game. but i wont complain haha
Honestly .50 cents a day is a pretty easy compared to other vices.
You can play a starter edition account on retail, with this post explaining the limitations: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/3226
But again that’s just me. I can see how others might not see it that way.
Fair, but different people have different financial statuses or economic viability, so it's best not to judge. If they can't afford it, they can't afford it
do you guys think wow classic will get to dragonflight one day?
Very true.
Probably after SL classic, after BFA classic, after Legion classic, after WoD classic, after MoP classic, after Cata classic
i cant wait to play dragonflight classic
A subscription allows you to play both, and Shadowlands is currently available free to new people from the deal
Dragonflight is out soon though and when it is, you will no longer need to purchase Shadowlands
Ah
Returning
yep
if ur not a returning player you wont
`"All Battle.net accounts that do not currently have the Shadowlands expansion attached and that had any expansion license attached to the account in the past will receive the Shadowlands Base Edition and a Level 50 Character Boost FREE (no purchase necessary).
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So, no, the promotional offer is only available to players without Shadowlands on their account who have had a previous expansion added to their account in the past
an artifact question, on a monk i've completed balance of power, gotten hidden artifact and some progress som the variations of the hidden artifact, on my main rn (a different monk) i dont have any other artifacts than the one you get from the first quest, will i still be able to get the hidden artifact drop from withered army training a 2nd time on my now main monk, and will the progress on the variations be there or do i have to start over?
By gear I meant transmog.
I’ve done 24 adamant vaults 9-15 and haven’t gotten a single drop from the boss other than gold/anima. Does anyone know if it only drops from layer 16 or can it drop from 9-15?
Happened to me last night, was showing 0 people on when in fact it was like 15 lol
Click the arrow
can anyone help me with this quest? it doesnt track it
Dungeons usually require 5 people
whats that item that u can use to enter lock gates?
i forgot and need it for another char
Can't you just right click them?
when ur raiding and everyone is stacked for a mechanic to use its kinda hard
i found it on my main in my bags
nvm
ill just search where it is
Is there a way to put NPCs with non-unique models in the dressing room on the site? I just want to see if Magister Rommath has a rendered face underneath that scarf, or if they pulled a Tali'Zorah with him.
can i duel weapld with shaman?
yes
in wow retail every spec of shaman dual wield
in wow classic you need talent points in the enhancement talent tree
make sure you are trying to equip two one handed weapons
Kk
you have to be at least lvl10 to use two weapons iirc
(you can have an offhand, like a shield, before that)
Enhancement shaman uses 2 1 handers
While elemental and restoration prefer main hands and shields/off hands or a 2 handed stave in retail already
I cant see the jobs of npcs in orbios. For example, I can't see the assessor of conflict job over the guy
might be an addon interfering
I did just download Details!
That one shouldn't interfere
Damn
Hello! is the battle for darkshore warfront broken at the moment cuz for horde side everytime we get maiev to around half hp she resets
whats going on with this lag
Legion Timewalking is over, but I got a new Timeworn quest this week and even received a Legion key, so I can still do Legion M+. Whats up with that?
if i change timewalking campaign, does the xp scale?
I've heard people with a similar issue. Seems rather unreported atm
Not sure what's happening
whats the difference between TBC and classic?
Classic is currently split between classic era which is wow the way it was before any expansions came out, Classic seasons of mastery which is the same but with a twist and classic tbc which is wow how it was when the first expansion was current. Tbc will transition over to wotlk which is the same thing but with the second Expansion once that releases
is there any difference look based?
Between the classic versions? Not much. The first real graphical overhaul came with.. i think Pandaria but im not so sure about that.
But why do you care about the look?
Cataclysm was water
The water got changed? 
Well i dont know i didnt play wow until end of pandaria close to wod launch
sure did, never seen old school WoW water?
I did. I played classic a bit but never noticed any difference
if it still looks like that on retail, you gotta change your graphic settings (cause you still can get it I think)
curious
Ist that a general update to the water or is that bound to the map? 
Nah idk how water currently looks i dont pay much attention to water.
they updated all the water, was a big deal back then ^^
here's a comparison
(yay for tiny google images)
I see 
apart from world quests, best way to farm out anima?
Korthia and ZM treasures probably (or M+)
I've confirmed this on 2 of my own accounts and 2 second-hand guild members
it would seem legion timewalking m+ is still active. Whether this is a bug or not I don't know. the quest to obtain a timeworn keystone is still active and still works
Why nobody is talking about this is beyond me
World bosses and either cov/zm and or korthia dailies
So been away for a year and back to get up to speed for the new expansion when it comes, my ilvl is only 193 but i want to try the newer raids before and am obviously too low. Have been told to get myself to zereth mortis for gearing up, is that a questing area, bosses, any tips where can i get myself over there is it a portal or boat etc?
Do Chapter 3 of covenant campaign then you can skip torghast intro, korthia intro, freeing the Primus and ZM intro
Thank you 🙂
Hello, have a few questions regarding transmog. How/where can I find the appearance for the elite Unchained Gladiator sets? I have the same question regarding all the elite BFA PVP sets and seasons 3 & 4 of shadowlands.
I started trying to get the steelbound corehound yesterday and I've managed to get the point in the questline for legion bs where you make the demonsteel gear
I'm currently at level 78 on blacksmithing and was wondering if there's is a different less expensive way of leveling it up?
I think you can get a rank 3 demon steel helm plan from a world quest if you're lucky that makes it a bit cheaper but otherwise...
also that corehound does need a not small amount of blood of sagaras which is annoying to get nowadays
Oh I managed to get those
Each time I crafted a demonsteel bar I was getting 1 lvl for bs so after 55 bars I was on like 60 or something
Then I went and got all the blood of sargeras, used the gear from dungeons to fund the materials to craft more bars and I only ended up getting to 78
So now I just don't know what to do
basically get rank 2 recipes off the demon next to the demon hunter that thought you the demonsteel and then if those also turn green/grey find the rank 3 ones
but tbh if all you want is the mount (and not the ability to make it) buying it off the auction house might be cheaper than leveling blacksmithing if you don't plan on farming all the stuff
you'd have to calculate it.
Each demonsteel thing gives 2 skillpoints at orange though I think so you technically only need to make 11 things
I really need to find some sort of gold farm I enjoy. Makes these profession mounts really annoying
well I think you picked one of the most annoying ones tbh.
The only one as bad is the Vial of the Sands (good luck finding that recipe)
The other ones are less bad
Anyone know how to get the silithus portal in boralis?
you should get it when you do the quest that unlocks the other ones if I remember right (it's a main story quest)
Nope, it just gave me the 3 other ones
Yeh I probably should have looked through the whole thing. Just picked the first one I saw that looked cool
the other ones are easier, like the Jewlcrafting panthers and the engineering ones, but they also have some expensive vendor materials you need to craft them (which might be a problem if you don't have like 20k just sitting around)
Only reason I knew about the silithus portal is because of the free boost I used- I haven't played since legion otherwise
yeah it's strange, maybe try doing the main questline some more?
Or does it want you to go there?
It doesn't yet, I can try questing more
do that, maybe that one actually unlocks later when you need to get there
easiest way to get exalted with shadow-pan?
wait till panda timewalking
lets u get it to exalted by the time ur done questin for them give or take a few dailies
guys i just came back for season 4 is there a new zone if no what is the popular zone people doing quest and stuff in?
Zereth Mortis is the latest and last zone
If you already have that, you're at the end
does anyone have the issue that in fated CN some bosses just crash the game within seconds of being pulled? I've tried turning off all addons and it does not fix the issue. it's specifically huntsman, sunking and council for me
Guys/girls, I'm getting back into WoW and i'm confused what should i focus now to play as ranged dps, I need your help please:
- I have Druid(i played before balance but now it's crap i saw...so...maybe feral? )
- I got also warlock and played affli, now crap and thinking about destro or demo.
I prefer druid to play, but not sure how is in season 4 for M+ and so on
Mostly playing M+ dungeons and very casual raid.
Thank you in advance
Simulationcraft/raidbots.io
ah ty
All race, class, and spec combinations are viable for all forms of content. The best one is going to be the one you enjoy playing the most and invest time into learning how to play well
thank you for your replay. I was very good on Affliction also as Balance druid...i know how to play them very well. But now the problem is, doesn;t matter how well you play them, if they are nerfed etc...you can't do much with them. All I wanted is an advice regarding what I asked above.
Thank you
I thought you said you're casual?
You shouldn't worry about nerfs. All race, class, and spec combinations are viable for all forms of content. The best spec is going to be the one you're better at playing.
i'd read the first part again
I am now, I was not casual. Now things changed, and I'm casual 🙂
Alright, well, everything is viable
Nerfs and buffs don't matter that much even in progression content
That's just not really true
In an ideal world, yes, all specs would be within a reasonable range of eachother, but there's a lot of variance
Look at Destro earlier in the cycle of Shadowlands, where it was regularly getting, what, a solid 2.5x the output under ideal circumstances as an equivalent Balance druid?
At the end of the day the important part is doing something you find fun, but game mechanics and the current state of a class just are things that do factually exist, and depending on the state of the game some classes may be far less capable than others at some times or in some circumstances
Look at SV before 9.2--incredibly underrepresented due to the MM meta, but still in high M+ and raid content due to its uncapped AoE and strong setup. At the end of the day if they have to ask what the meta is, then they're not playing the content where the meta matters--and that meta changes from fight to fight, patch to patch, tier to tier. A good player on a bad spec is going to outperform a bad player on a good spec
If you want good, consistent performance you'll do better becoming good at your spec as opposed to flip-flopping to different specs while chasing a meta--a meta that is incredibly circumstantial and where everything is balanced enough to still be viable
They're even stating that they're playing casually. Know the audience for the advice being provided. Any meta is going to be irrelevant and they should play the spec they enjoy most and are better at playing.
so... Spine of Deathwing is still buggy
if you want to help bring this comment up a bit so that it can actually be useful
I submitted a big report last week already but they did nothing yet
You're the one that was farming it for weeks and suddenly broke?
yes
ok
Sadly I don't think wowhead comments are going to do much, but yeah you of all people would know if that fight is working properly
I tried it again this week, with a different character, and I still can't complete the encounter for the same problem
that's why I posted it
nobody seems to have posted about this bug, but Deathwing got 95 comments
so my comment won't help much because it's by the end of the second page
Deathwing drops one of the mounts that are needed to get the Emerald Dragon
I only missed that mount to finish off my achievement...
currently, you can't reach the final fight to attempt the mount
i suppose i can run over there and see if i can repeat the issue
I played it 25hm, although I don't think it matters
(by the way, did anybody get Kleia from Forgotten Memoranda today?)
how do i get stronger?? im trying to get the Shimmermist Runner and the mobs there are 1 shotting me and i feel pretty weak.
The mount is very hard to get while levelling especially solo, you can continue to level through the campaign and come back to the area at max level with gear and you should have a much better time
im at endgame
Then you need to get gear from dungeons, raid and open world content
I remember barely being able to get it as a group early on
Ah ye 173 will still be a bit rough
Would recommend checking out some new player/gearing guides if you’re struggling finding what to do
go to Zerith Moris and do stuff there
There's 226 gear for anima and 262? gear from sandsworn relics
nope it doesn't remove any of the plates
did you go hm too?
Yes Heroic 25. I don’t want to be that guy but you are heading towards his head yes?
yes
I've been grinding that dungeon for months 😛
I run it always the same
I don't understand what could be wrong... 🤔
so you killed it?
EU or US? both of you
EU
Ah NA here
might be an eu thing
so it could be buggy only on EU?
it indeed has
I was like "did they decide to keep it?"
well.. the group finder is gone, but the M+ part is there
anyone know when the gurubashi arena chest spawns? The internet said every 3 hours server time starting at midnight but nothing spawned
If you want Alchemy stuff, you'll need the Alchemy profession. Class doesn't matter
ikik but i am able to make poisons with it yes
Been a while, you used to be able to make them with rogues (only for yourself anyways though)
Pretty sure they got rid of it though at some point.
MAYBE Assassination Spec still does them but haven't touched that class in ages so not sure.
ohh thats lame
i liked it better as a profession
whats a good profession for my rogue then
yo random question does anyone know if there is a way and if its okay to play with the old spell mechanics
What do you even mean?
There is no way to play around with any of the old spells that were either fixed or removed from the game over time though the various patches. But if it’s abilities that were present during Vanilla, Burning Crusade or Wrath. You’d only be able to though playing the Classic version of WoW.
yea okay
i personally hate all the new animations with warlocks like chaos bolt they are just clumsy, if you use mote of light you become old human form and can use the spells like they were before they changed the animations of them to new one
but yea i meant animations lol
Animations makes more sense but sadly you cant choose which animations are used. I wish it would be customizable and while they're at it make sheating positions and other stuff customizable too but that would result in too much fun
lfr/raid, mythic dungeons
sure u can buy boes from the ah but not only are they expensive generally but also just not worth for most players
Can you level up reputation with Winter's Court while being in other covenant by switching to NF, doing dailies and switching back?
You mean [Court of Night]? Pretty sure that should be possible, yeah.
Court of Night - https://www.wowhead.com/faction=2464/court-of-night - Live 9.2.7
Live 9.2.7
So since I was banned from the official wow discord for telling a moderator that she interprets the rules objectively wrong, I guess i need to seek assistance to my questions here
come on you people were just talking 8 minutes ago, someone answer lol
Is there any quest to be done to get rattleskew in timeless isle to spawn ?
anyone else has random disconnections?
i think scrap addon destroyed my Celestial Spirits legendary how can i get it back. i just clicked (yeah i did not check what it tells :'() sell scrap button and i didnt check how many common epic or legendaries is going to sold and i realized my legendary is gone.
There's an item restore tool somewhere on the blizzard support website
i checked it already only i can see its sold items
it should do disenchants and destroys as well I think
maybe you placed it in the bank or something?
Might also take a while to update that list
i wish i accidently deleted it. it would appear on blizzard's page right? i dont know what did i do
First of all: are we Talking about the actual legendary (a crafted legendary with the effect) or the memory of it?
Just wanna rule out that we're talking about the memory and you just used the item 
memory
Did you check the legendary page to make sure you actually lost it?
is it normal even if i used it
Ah ok no you would have had to use the item at the runecarver
Seems like you actually threw it away
Reading in this games goes a very long way
Everything related to memories and legendaries is explained ingame
what
i just ticketed it and ive got all the memories my addon removed before lol
might want to consider not using this addon
yeah you're right .i'm going to use it only while im farming old dungeons and raids. do you have any recommendation for selling scraps?
Not personally, no. I manually sell junk items in the off chance that there's flavor text or it's one of those junk items used for certain vendors
I'm also a crazy person that doesn't mind clicking things
elvui sells greys for me, the rest i just right click
grey sellers are plentyful
to unlock void elf and night forged draeni, can i use a level 60 character? or is the only way to do it while leveling
You can use a leveled character, and it can go by even faster since enemies will be easy to kill
And I recommend it, because there are one or two scenarios that are way more difficult than others, for some reason. I’m curious to know if others felt that way too
yeah
Walk outside of it
you go back the way you came
o
Sometimes there's an NPC or a shortcut to exit, but yes, generally you just leave the way you came or hearthstone/portal out
so farming with mage would be better?
What tier list?
rio got tierlists?
where?
1:
Given it's a tierlist I'd imagine is because other specs are better than Arcane
2: Stealth doesn't really make farming any better
if u dont know move on but dont waste my time
Of course that tier list probably depends on a lot of factors such as the fight, the mechanics, gear, player skill and ability, etc and does not unilaterally mean that Arcane is that much worse but just under performing or under represented for the specific metrics used to create that tier list
Yep
thats true
how do i unlock sepulcher of the first ones?>
The best spec is going to be the one you're better at playing, really. SV was underrepresented and at the bottom of tier lists before 9.2, but were still performing incredibly well
hey Gumball I might be wrong but arcane has always been tricky to tune hasn't it? It's been either at top dps or at bottom if memory servers
How do you mean unlock?
get it into dungeon finder
Yeah, Arcane is one of those that's difficult to sim
You mean raid finder? If you hover over the red name it will tell you why you can't queue on it
it it hover the red or somewhere else? can't remember now
😉 there we go
is that raid hard btw?
eh
It's not a dungeon, it's a raid. You can queue for individual wings using the raid finder, or Looking For Raid section of the group finder if your item level is high enough. Otherwise you'll have to join a group for normal difficulty or higher
It's fine on Looking for Raid difficulty
it has a few mogs i want
I have seen way harder (BFA)
Difficulty is subjective, but not something that you should worry about as a casual player looking to join LFR
ill go to zereth mortis and try get some high leveled geear ig
iirc it's still green
And if you have the sandworn relics, which i really don't think you do cuz they're kinda expensive, you can buy 246 epic gear which can then be converted into tier gear (so try to focus that, since 4 set is such a big deal)
But the color is irrelevant really. It's 226 catchup gear for 500 anime per piece
True heh idk why i clarified the color
i find it pretty tricky to get it
could just be cuz im a scrub
laso what is this? it looks very important
So you know how shadowlands has legendaries?
Those are legendary "memories"
does this matter if im warrior?>
yes
This might cover everything you need to know
this is for prot warrior tho
World quests give anima, dungeons give anima (pretty sure they do at least), looking for raid gives anima, normal raids do too, etc etc etc
Anyone here got very young kids? about to have my first child on monday (hopefully) i know my game time will reduce drastically, but will it make it where playing wow just wont be worth it anymore?
Okay granted I have been playing on and off since release
dont have any kids but from what i can tell you wont have more than maybe 2 hours for yourself depending on how your partner handles things. 2 hours is pretty much nothing in terms of wow gametime 
yea :/ thats what im afraid of.. i was really wanting to get back into the game, but with the baby coming along i feel like id be wasting money. but hey it is what it is am i right? lol
Oh yeah welcome to not having time, hope you enjoy it. My guildmates are starting to reproduce too and their played is not what it once was 😂
I mean you can still have fun, but it's a different playstyle
More about doing stuff on the spot and less about raiding organized content in our experience
AKA: lot of "I have an hour let's see if I can make into a raid group or a mythic+ to kill a boss"
2 hours is like, half a mythic + raid
not even half
unless you have them on farm
Yea. honestly thinking my gaming will be put to a hault :/ which depresses me, but at the same time im gonna be a father and that excites me even more.
also mythic raiding is pretty much off the table completly. maybe hc raiding too
There're a lot of amazing single player / offline games you might enjoy in the meanwhile MrSquirrel!
the only issue is i dont enjoy many single player games. im a multiplayer kinda person. i know all my other games take 45min / 1hr a game. (league of legends / valorant / sea of thieves / Escape from Tarkov)
I've got a baby in the house and yeah, sure, I spend less time gaming than I would but I still appreciate the gametime I do put in. Makes it much more valuable and I find myself doing more quality content than quantity of content. If anything I appreciate the gametime I get even more due to the necessary break time needed to decompress
Right. Aram it is then my friend
Lmao i know but god i can only play 1 game of aram and im bored hahahahaha
aram games can take 30 mins
This is all more #retail-wow convo that #wow-help convo tho lmao
my apologies 😦
how hard is it to get revered with the enlightened? it has a super cool mount which i want
It's "okay"
Not difficult. Just play the content tbh
compared to order of the cloud serpent? (the only rep i got to exalted)
You want to get Revered with the Enlightened anyway so that you can get the Unity legendary power to craft on any slot, as opposed to the 265 Unity belt you get from finishing the ZM campaign
Not with that attitude
Just farm dailies treasures and rares bro
Worth is subjective. Nobody can really tell you how to spend your money--but if you already know you're going to be playing it, sure
what?
Can't pre order shadowlands, that's the current one.
Dragon Flight on the other hand you'll need to buy eventually to play it
you only get the classic stuff for free cause it's old content
bruh i dont know what you mean. shadowlands is almost over so what pre order also all of classic is included in your sub and has nothing to do with retail
oh sorry i mean wotlk
classic is included in your sub
oh that makes sense
doesnt everyone get a free level boost for wotlk
i mean you're likely to get a boost if you buy the digital deluxe bundle
i got 1k anima and i was wondering waht brokers item i should prioritise? this is my build rn
yeah i always check that kinda stuff
[Invisibility Potion]
Invisibility Potion - https://www.wowhead.com/item=9172/invisibility-potion - Live 9.2.7
wowhead is a useful place, it even has a search
I have a question. I’ve started the shadowlands campaign on 2 characters. But if i complete it on one of them, will i be able to skip it on the other? 🙂


