beta-ptr-spoilers

[tropic trail]

guess the music is only on the midnight PTR server and not midnight beta

damn login music is meh

yea its quite crap tbf

[dense plover]

its not finished

thats like looking at a house where theyve laid the foundation and started building 1 wall and saying its shit

[tropic trail]

I see

[dense plover]

it doesnt have the main wow theme, the zone themes, or any mixing

its literally a placeholder made from a clip of the full theme

[tropic trail]

i see

[dense plover]

this is how it works every time

[tropic trail]

I thought it was the new theme first and then the final release has all the zones, etc

like with the War within

[dense plover]

it changes

[tropic trail]

I see

[dense plover]

this is Xalatath's theme - so it makes sense that it opens with that

since the expac opens with her assaulting the sunwell

and she will be omnipresent throughout the rest (probably)

[tropic trail]

gotcha

[pulsar minnow]

To be fair, in TWW they used the first few minutes of what ended up being the launch title screen music

And if they follow that same principle for the Midnight login screen I could understand being disappointed, considering this is about all you’re going to hear 90% of the time anyways as you immediately log on to your character

Here’s to hoping this doesn’t end up actually being the first two minutes of the full login screen theme at launch

[fathom fulcrum]

https://fxtwitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/2001798313147003191

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy)

Velf demon hunter customization is weird on the beta. They still use the blood elf DH options, which clashes in some very odd ways. Their metamorphosis forms at least use the night elf ones, which fit a little better. (1)

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FxTwitter · Dec 18, 2025, 11:34 PM

one month to fix bros

🫵 😂

[clear apex]

They still haven't fixed haranir transmog issues

Bras and boobs that stick through the shirt, belts that disappear into the body, butts that poke out of pants

The bra doesn't go away on the ladies so it doesn't work with a lot of tops

I've reported it with each new build and on the forum

[elder seal]

Time to try wrap entire voidstorm tonight

Just sidequests remaining. not sure can i really make it during the next 7h

Wait what, realms offline ?!

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8Hij9jekY&list=RDTF8Hij9jekY&start_radio=1

[warm topaz]

cool music, very voidy, i'm sure we'll have the "Legends of Azeroth" part with the full version

[austere gazelle]

and the whole new spec is really not up to the task , I hope a massif fix is incoming because it feels like it'll be useless or not fun to play before S2

[rain cave]

I like how there are some moments where some solemn female vocals take the main focus, instead of the backing choir they usually only have. I bet that’s sort of representative of Azeroth’s song, and the danger she’s in this xpac

[deep pawn]

The tease

[deep pawn]

I didn't even connect the plus marks

I still expect it to be announced at Blizzcon with a "You can play today"

[zealous sedge]

Exciting

I was hoping we’d get a roadmap today

[dense plover]

roadmap for what?

classic?

[deep pawn]

2026

[zealous sedge]

Yeah 2026

[dense plover]

we wont get anything until prepatch

[zealous sedge]

🆗

[glass fulcrum]

Whats this from?

[deep pawn]

the year end yearbook

The full picture has a bunch of hand drawn +'s to the right of that

[glass fulcrum]

Sorry guys no classic+
We made classic+++

[dense plover]

i mean probably actually

unrelated to anything beyond a potential roadmap, i also assume they are going to do wrath remix since next expac is the last titan and we are returning to northrend and theyll want to encourage more people to do northrend's story and have the context that will be needed to understand the expac

[deep pawn]

There's just not enough collectables from Wrath to be worth it

If we get another Remix it's probably BfA

[dense plover]

they can add new ones

[deep pawn]

oh man, people are really yearning for more recolors of the brown drudge of the questing sets

[uncut vault]

BfA also has a lot fewer sets than it seems

warfront sets are flashy but they dont make up for the total lack of tier sets

[deep pawn]

Wrath just feels too old for a satisfying remix and frankly, it's weapons aren't the most memorable.

[zealous sedge]

They should just do classic+ and it’s only vanilla through WotLK instead of wrath remix

[upper pasture]

Or just do both cause it’s for two different types of players

Did those TBC recolors ever see the light of day?

Although midnight and TLT will be a perfect time for them to add some of the fan favorites but HD

[ember blaze]

invincible is enough

[rain cave]

classic+ would probably be different story beats

like the ashbringer is never found, so bolvar can't lead the argent crusade as effectively

the dark portal doesn't open

etc

more of a "left to our own devices" narrative with lower stakes what ifs

[fathom fulcrum]

https://fxtwitter.com/Portergauge/status/2002141533328543783

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Archbishop Benedictus is "back" in Midnight, as a rare for the prepatch event

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FxTwitter · Dec 19, 2025, 10:18 PM

bro we recycling already?

💀

[glass fulcrum]

Shadowlands & TWW Pre-patch both were all re-used bosses

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah but they were memories

this looks like a lore charakter brought back to life

🤔

[upper pasture]

SLs weren't "memories"

[fathom fulcrum]

TWW were

SL idk what was

wasnt playing

[upper pasture]

anyways, that's sorta the point of prepatch events too, to be something familiar to get people back in and be like "oh i remember killing this dude years ago"

[fathom fulcrum]

right xd

gg lore if its literally void resurrection

[upper pasture]

....right

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah right

just resurrect whichever charakter u want

[upper pasture]

blizzard has been doing it for decades

[fathom fulcrum]

what u mean

wow is 2004

[upper pasture]

yes, a decade is ten years

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah two decades xd

[glass fulcrum]

one decade is singular
two decades are plural

[remote shuttle]

I feel like people don’t understand often prepatches is handled often by like two guys to make a gameplay event and lore is entirely thrown out - only lore oversight is the mini-questline.
I wouldn’t hold onto this so religiously

[worn crown]

I bet Blizz will do Shadowlands remix for TLT with a lot of modifications to its systems, so people will see how interesting xpac it was (or could haven been)

It makes sense since Blizz has been using SL lore, it had a lot of collectibles, it is a lot newer xpac than Wrath and people usually already know enough about Wrath/Lich King but not so much SL

And to try and change people's perceptions about it (not mine, I already love SL)

[deep pawn]

I'll farm bronze for all the Zereth Mortis crafted mounts

Even if Bronze magic really shouldn't extend to the Shadowlands

[rain cave]

idk I feel like WoD remix would be a popular contender for the next one

but it depends if classic will go to WoD since it might be too soon in memory then

BfA is also ripe for remix as well though

especially since that's got titan, xal/old god, trolls, etc

and not to mention azerite and essences, heart of azeroth as systems ready to be remix'd

[deep pawn]

WoD just has 3 raids, one of which is pretty small

While WoD isn't the fewest raid bosses anymore, it's also just not remembered super fondly

Granted WoD isn't fewest purely by virtue of Hellfire being massive

[rain cave]

that's my point though

that's what makes it a good contender for a more comprehensive remix and less good for a classic

[deep pawn]

I don't care since they won't be bringing back the CM weapons

[rain cave]

it feels like the natural classic/modern cutoff point, and it's an expac people felt should have been given more

[rain cave]

hopefully they will

no reason not to at this point

but then again, blizz operate in myserious ways

as we saw with the mage tower

[deep pawn]

They didn't bring back CM rewards in MoP. Just a phoenix recolor

[rain cave]

well you know what they say..

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

(cope)

[elfin eagle]

id honestly wonder how good all of wows story would hold up

like if you played from say wrath to now

i was nostalgia playing cata content and honeslty even the best written stuff feel pretty equel to say karesh here, but the long wait times between stuff really dont help the story at all and gives way more time for things to be nit picked

[elder seal]

Okayt i got to admit. this is biggest battlepet ive seen in the game as of yet

Lets just asy id assume they would nerf the size before live

14 quests remaining and im done with beta screenshotting for good personally.

[elder seal]

Huh, seems like there is entirely one sidequest chain you cannot currently do in beta. im assuming its due to story reasons. Related to ||Decimus|| it seems
EDIT: Nvm its doable

[austere gazelle]

Everything is doable up to the pre raid quests

[elder seal]

yeah it was hidden under the purple quests. the usual suspect

[austere gazelle]

no christmas decor yet?

I'll make mine !

[little hound]

Love it

[elder seal]

This MF Troll

https://tenor.com/bKsTq.gif

[elder seal]

After daunting amount of 4289 screenshots the entire betaphase is done (atleast to the point im planning to contribute to it). That amounts to 10% of Screenshots i posted in my lifetime for WoWhead. I might have gone overboard this time around 😂

[elder seal]

regarding PTR tho. is the current introduction for Midnight testable in ptr?

I wont probably bother with NPCs for it but the Q atleast.

[deep pawn]

No ptr is prepatch environment

It has the prepatch event and 12.0 changes but no Midnight zones

[elder seal]

Okay maybe i said it in a wrong way but that was what i was just hoping. I suppose i'll check it out when i got some time

[fathom fulcrum]

wft why amani not orc like in midnight 😠

[crude sigil]

It's better to ask : Why amani have an orc head in Midnight ?

[fathom fulcrum]

i mean body 2 is literally an orc 😭

[little hound]

I do hope we’ll get some beefier male and female troll options for players, kinda tired of the skinny, lanky island versions

[noble mica]

Haha 😂

[rustic cliff]

Has the 2025 winter veil gift been datamined yet? Or still a mystery til tomorrow morning

[upper pasture]

Mystery

[dense plover]

actually

korea got it - its 2 toys and a pet

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1pv2xiu/2025_feast_of_winter_veil_christmas_gift/

[upper pasture]

No tree 🥲

[dense plover]

theyre not gonna do furniture until everyone has access

next year

[upper pasture]

I mean, people can collect without housing access so why would they care?

[dense plover]

because it cant be used

and half the point of winterveil gifts is being able to use them immediately

also, there just isnt a winterveil deco asset

they havent made it yet

afaik there are no encrypted decos at all

[upper pasture]

It could be used in two months, it’s just weird that we have to wait all year to access something that would have been an easy W

[dense plover]

housing team has higher priorities ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper pasture]

Seems weird

[dense plover]

i mean not really - there was no indication we would get furniture

[upper pasture]

Couldn’t take that long to make one asset available

They must have know people would want Christmas trees in their house for the first Christmas in their homes

[deep pawn]

there was a tree that got removed

[dense plover]

source?

[upper pasture]

https://housing.wowdb.com/decor/562/winter-veil-tree-562/

[dense plover]

oh weird

i wonder if something was really broken

why deprecate it...

[austere gazelle]

Probably an item that was working on an older version of their housing system tech that they removed to make one compatible, but since it wasn't ready they didnt implement it. I'm not even sure if they worked on christmas thematic yet because, they probably didnt think the preorder access would fall before christmas when they made housing ready to being with, so they had this " we have one year to prepare this " roadmap

[clear apex]

seems that they deprecate items when they make a newer better one

there's deprecated gobling string lights and some other stuff.

Id have been happy have the garrison decor ported over

[autumn dagger]

are the revamped zones going to have revamped soundtracks as well?

[dense plover]

yes?

new expac = new music

its not really a revamp

theyre totally overhauled

theyre not going to use ancient compressed tbc music

[autumn dagger]

That's what I thought but I wanted to get some confirmation hahah

[clear apex]

Revamp means remake tho

[dull sage]

You think the outdoor 'rooms' for housing will be released in prepatch or actual release?

[dense plover]

actual release

same as when housing goes live for everyone, even if you dont have midnight

it says midnight release, not midnight prepatch

[upper pasture]

are people getting housing without midnight? or they get housing access AFTER midnight?

[deep pawn]

Aren't endeavours starting with prepatch? I thought housing was opening up to all then lol

[upper pasture]

you have to own midnight to get a house, just sub players will be able to get a house when TLT comes out

cause then they would "own" midnight

"Players who don’t have Midnight as of yet will be able to visit Neighborhoods and collect Housing items from various activities including quests from NPCs located in Orgrimmar, Stormwind, and Dornogal. You won’t be able to claim a home or join a Neighborhood without the expansion, however." per blizzard on the 3rd

i'd be excited to see endeavours start with prepatch but i somehow doubt they will probably on actual expansion launch, sadly.

[deep pawn]

That's the early access housing which is indeed tied to owning Midnight.

[upper pasture]

It’s important to note that Endeavors won’t be available until after the pre-expansion content update for Midnight.

seems like every instance of talking about housing they tell you "don't worry, you can collect now for when you own midnight" have they specifically said you don't have to own midnight to do housing before TLT?

[deep pawn]

I don't have the exact blue post at my fingertips but I swear they've discussed housing for anyone who has a sub in Midnight

[marble steppe]

Anyone else stuck on the Harandar questline?

[uncut vault]

Which part?

[crisp steeple]

Has Paladin horses been updated on Beta yet?

[fathom fulcrum]

thats a high elf 🙄

or was... before midnight xd

[deep pawn]

eyes are green right?

remember, they let their lore consistency people go haha

[fathom fulcrum]

looks jade idk

too smol

looks like half green and half blue to me

doesnt matter anyway

[fathom fulcrum]

o7

read about that 😔

[deep pawn]

Yeah, probably eye 7 lol

[fathom fulcrum]

you can akshhually be a high elf and have green eyes though

i suppose

or red if you are a zombie 😔

[deep pawn]

That eye color isn't available to void elves at least haha

[fathom fulcrum]

whats so haha about it

[deep pawn]

the greens?

[fathom fulcrum]

eye contacts

demon draenei significant other

😏

really worried about the plot of midnight ngl, so far it sounds ass

[deep pawn]

I do agree his eyes should probably just be Blue but who knows haha

[fathom fulcrum]

bro was on Draenor with Alleria&co so maybe it changed, cuz the fel vapors idk how eyes work 😭

call the elf eyes expert

[uncut vault]

They actually can with this particular eye color

that's as teal as they can go

[deep pawn]

oh, is that the color that guy has?

I thought it was greener

[fathom fulcrum]

i mean... its a fairly smol screenshot

[crude sigil]

SPOILER OF THE END OF AMANI CAMPAIGN

At the end of Amani campaign, Zul'jan say this :
|| " I'll never be a warrior like Zul'Jarra. I solve problems through dialogue. She tackles them head-on. "

At no point did Zul'jan try to resolve a problem through dialogue; on the contrary, he's the kind of character who charges headlong into the fray ... WTF is this kind of writing ?
Speculation time : But yeah, like we see at the end, it's clear that the next patch will be on the "isle" near Zul'Aman. With Zul'Jan as the "main" antagonist who want to claim all Quel'Thalas for him and say "true amani his strong and conquer blablabla" like Garrosh ^^'

And when we meet Lor'themar about what's going on in Zul'Aman, he have nothing to say ... Maybe on beta ? Maybe he will say something on live server, but I just think he will not and it's an other bad writing time ... ||

||https://i.imgur.com/sCclcO5.png ||
(sry, this screenshot is in French ^^)

[crude sigil]

In an other campaign, at the Light's Hope Chapel, Alonsus Faol say that many people in Azeroth praise and use light by through Elune, Gral or An'she. But ... Who is "Gral" ? Is it a wrong translation in French or something ?

[deep pawn]

Gral is a loa.

I believe he's the shark?

[crude sigil]

Yeah, but ... what about "Light" ?

[dense plover]

gral is one of the loa zandalari mention for their paladins

also spoilers dont need to be marked in this channel and youre many months late to what 12.1 is

its the isle of fangs

its already been sorta datamined

zuljan is probably not the antagonist

the ending goes out of its way to tell us that he feels like a failure and needs to rise to the challenge

[crude sigil]

In French, the "end" of this campaign, Zul'Jan don't trust Loas and really want to invade Quel'Thalas. And, at this point, Lorthemar and Turalyon didn't say anything new about Amani (except they want to kill them, like at the first part of the campaign). Even if Zul'jan isn't the "main" antagonist, I really think he will just not be "ok" with Zul'jarra and I he will raise an army against Elves or / and try to find some power on the Isle of Fangs to accomplish his will.

I prefer to put my write in spoiler for people who doesn't finish campaign ^^'

Have we more info about Isle of fangs except some screenshots and map we see on reddit (for example : https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1nyn00j/potential_wow_121_postlaunch_patch_zone/) ?

[crude sigil]

Hmmm, I need to reroll a new Zandalari Paladin, because I don't see the link between Gral and Light

[dense plover]

reminder that several cutscenes are missing

also the dialogue he has is essentially a mixed apology where he realizes the elves arent the enemy

[crude sigil]

ho, didn't see that in French

[dense plover]

its possible the translation isnt quite right

that happens often

lemme see if i can find the dialogue

hold on

[crude sigil]

In French Zuljan talk a lot against elves at the beginning then he say "nothing" all along the campaign in Zul Aman. And his only thing is to raise an army fast against the Twilight Blade and don't wait Zul'Jarra. Then, he is on the bridge and say that he his the guy who prefer dialogue, not like Zul'Jarra (wtf moment) and he don't trust loas (can abandon them at anytime)

[dense plover]

#beta-ptr-spoilers message

he does say he wanted to attack the elves

but its past tense

this was my vision

and he concedes he was wrong

seems like the french dialogue takes some odd liberties

[crude sigil]

Yeah, in French, he say the "same" thing, but I see this differently, I think he have some doubts about everything now, but he's main focus on what he said to us.

the last sentence "I return to the village ..." isn't here in French

But yeah, we will see. I don't think Zul'Jan will follow in Zul'Jarra future decisions. He want "more" for Amani and don't want to rely on loas

[dense plover]

idk - the issue is the loa were gone, but theyre back now

they left because of the amani's lack of faith

and the isle of fangs is tied to a loa

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[remote shuttle]

it isn't about a specific loa; its about deitic faith. "It doesn't matter if you worship Loas, light or elune or embodiment of the sun" - The Light happens, regardless of deity and you are the lens and vessel the Light travels through is the point.

Zul'jan's dialogue of one of future note; in the wake of victory he specifically mentions how his sister did everything he didn't, everything he wanted to do; Conquest, claim - And gets furious and pissed at the Loa - how the abandoners dare talk shit about his hero grandpa. (The VO is pretty damn stellar here, the rage in the VO is strong) - then it notes you catching on to a realization, and he tones it down again and says "Nevermind, forget what I said..."

[deep pawn]

He gonna pull a Drakkari/Zandalari

[elfin eagle]

I’ve recently warmed up to the isle of fangs

Trolls = vol Jin/probably harranir then old god stuff with kith ix and ulatek

[dense plover]

i dont think the harranir will play a major role with the isle

but i think their continued introduction is probably important to 12.2 and 13.X

[harsh mason]

In my opinion, it was obvious for a long time that he would be the main antagonist of 12.1

I don't know, I don't mind it, it fits the Zul Aman theme perfectly.

[dense plover]

i really dont see him as the antagonist - protagonist maybe but he doesnt read as a villain and if they do that, they really fucked up because the entire point of the story in the zone is proving that he is wrong

would just be throne of thunder 2.0 but bad

[harsh mason]

I would rather not believe that any of the descendants of Zul'Jin would NOT want to capture quel'thalas.

[harsh mason]

The antagonist is not always the villain.

[dense plover]

im hoping they lean towards the enemy of my enemy ya know?

right now, the twilights blade is a bigger threat

and this way there is still a thread on the eastern kingdoms they can pull on in some expac way down the road

[dense plover]

thats fair - i just really dont want him being the bad guy

its lazy

[dense plover]

wtf is this background image?

[upper pasture]

Looks like excavation site whatever?

[uncut vault]

From the Undermine delve that was added in Ringing Deeps

[upper pasture]

I saw one of the loading screens on beta that confused my at first but then I realized it’s like the top half of EK

This one to be precise

The scaling is definitely off but still nice to look at

[dense plover]

there is still so much broken shit omg

this still only targets enemies you arent in combat with for some dumb reason, and even targets critters

this spawned in my delve for some reason

i assume its MAYBE tied to this but idk

and it wont go away

blessings were changed

dont know when they got to this, but its finally looking cleaner

new toy to make up for you having to go to naleidea to turn your shards into keys - the toy lets you do it on your own, and its only 250 coins so its not expensive

does feel like its solving a problem they created tho

this is new and awesome

overview button

[uncut vault]

These have been in since 11.2, theyre just echoes of other players that have done the delve, and graves spawn at spots where people have died on the same difficulty

it favors people on your server/friends list, usually

[dense plover]

there was no grave

idk

[uncut vault]

Yeah it can just be a regular echo too

its not inherently deaths

[dense plover]

weird - they should fade when you walk away

this is new too - preview of the paragon reward

thought of checking something - this guy got a GLOWUP

this guy too

[deep pawn]

you can spawn memories off cheap crystals you can buy

[dense plover]

nice that they touched up the trash AND the bosses

except the forgemaster - but there is no easy to use model for him

[deep pawn]

people aren't using them but they exist

[dense plover]

i believe they also have a chance to drop?

[deep pawn]

I haven't seen them drop ever

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

haranir females still have a shitload of armor clipping - idk why this is so fucked, ive never seen this before

flight map is still totally fucked too

they probably have to fully redo how it works

well thats new - this quest rewards a mount now

they moved these guys and they now get their dialogue when you arrive instead of when you leave and then they disappear sometimes

think this is new too

[dense plover]

the fancy rtcs are working apparently

tho theyre missing audio sometimes

arcantina teleport has a new animation

theyve added more rp actions - you can right click a cheeseboard to carry it

and a mug too

theres actually a bunch of consumables that work the same way

few more

donut

big names sometimes in the arcantina

you can pet the dog

blood knight training manual might be my favorite

can be maintained while sitting or walking too

theres a torch and it actually emits light as you move

there are multiple books with different looks

theres a vendor for these too

one for lights too

[dense plover]

das you complete arcantina quests, you can decorate the arcantina

and then there is voiced dialogue on turn in

bob them delivers a cold drink lol

[deep pawn]

do those items work outside the arcatina?

[dense plover]

i didnt check but probably? otherwise some of the items are pretty worthless

[deep pawn]

well there's all those fighting items that only work in one small area lol

so Blizzard can't be trusted on that

so they stack to 100 and don't have a zone restriction so good signs

[fathom fulcrum]

https://fxtwitter.com/Portergauge/status/2008684284664815760

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Just found a truly insane lore book in Harandar, apparently the Haranir have known about the *entire* timeline of Warcraft since before the War of the Ancients?
︀︀
︀︀The Jailer has nothing on the omnipotent foresight of Mystic Talzi I guess lmao

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FxTwitter · Jan 6, 2026, 11:37 PM

thats a lot of Zovaals

as I said... the Haranir are truly older than Azeroth itself

[dense plover]

theyre not - if you do their story you find out they sought out her song and by the time they got to harandar, azeroth was gone

she used to be in the cradle and the titans moved her

either that or the thing that was in the cradle was elune and they put it in the moon

idk

[fathom fulcrum]

they are Azeroth shattered into smol druidic azerothians

still no idea where they got druidism from

certainly not Cenarius

[deep pawn]

Nah, they've been very clear that the cradle was the worldsoul and that the Haranir hear Azeroth's song.

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah yeah

absolutely

[pulsar minnow]

They live right next to the Rift Of Aln which is where the Emerald Dream originated from

[fathom fulcrum]

Yet I dont think they were mentioned even once in 31 years of Warcraft's existence 🥱

If it were night elves instead of haranir it would not only make more sense, it would not change TWW not a bit

[upper pasture]

It’s because they believed they had to be secretive about their existence for whatever reason

[dense plover]

do we know which world tree, each set of roots is connected to in harandar?

i know the burned ones are obviously teldrassil

but if we are just going directionally, the ones associated with the lightbloom would be in feralas or ungoro or something?

idk - it would be south of teldrassil

havent seen this model before - uses the new dragonhawk skeleton but its a sporeglider - i like it!

this is neat to see

damn, the den is practically a full capitol - it has all the professions

[upper pasture]

Isn’t there roottenders or something to indicate which roots go with which tree?

[dense plover]

not sure

probably? idk where they are tho

[upper pasture]

I’m pretty sure you’ve posted screen grabs of them before

As for me I’ve not done a lot in the beta besides the intro and a few quests afterwards

[dense plover]

i also think i understand why harandar is behind a loadscreen besides it not being actually underground

the zone is fucking huge

the scale and effects plus the skybox likely means it needed to be a separate zone

[cedar quest]

Anyone else received this message? Silvermoon is the only portal I can go through, and if I stay for longer than 5 seconds it does the Manaforge Omega death voidy animation and I get teleported to Thalassian Pass. No NPCs are around me, and I can't even see the training dummies on the top of the gate in Org.

Level 18 Dev Demon Hunter, lemix character ported into PTR

I get a debuff which shows this, maybe for retail players without the xpac?

The Avoiding Blame prepatch quest also doesn't work on this char but does work on my main, level 80 Frost Mage

Very strange!

Looks like if you're under level 80 or a lemix character ported into PTR, it will put you in this weird in between space where some of the cleft of shadow NPCs spawn incorrectly or don't spawn at all

[uncut vault]

The light ones are Shaladrassil

Then the northeastern brown ones with the waterfalls are Nordrassil, and the southeastern white ones are Amirdrassil

[dense plover]

ptr doesnt have beta access

you cant do midnight content on ptr

[dense plover]

wait - the previously nightmare-corrupted tree?

wtf?

[upper pasture]

one would assume we "fixed" that after cleansing the tree no?

[dense plover]

but why would it be light-infused now?

thats weird

[upper pasture]

lightbloom stuff? if the tree is healing/healed the roots would be the first to grow back? maybe it was always light infused but just stunted by the nightmare

[dense plover]

idk - its still a bit odd

[uncut vault]

I don’t think it’s specifically said why Shaladrassil, but it was the tree that got infected when the Lightbloom traveled from Eversong through the rootways

It’s also never mentioned if the tree itself in Val’sharah is now light-corrupted or just the roots

[upper pasture]

so just as i assumed lol

[dense plover]

ah ok

so its more likely that the tree was infused with light because it was weaker/more easily infused than the others

since it was previously nightmare-corrupted and then healed

[deep pawn]

Or they reworked the corruption that was to be old God blood

Lightbloom was not the original plan

Also there is a dead mother tree in Eversong which is how the light got to Harandar

[dense plover]

no its definitely still old god related

the entire harandar story makes that VERY clear

the story delve shows it too

[dense plover]

there is?

[deep pawn]

What the heck do you think the Windrunner bow was made out of?

[dense plover]

idk that part of the lore

sorry i dont know everything?

[deep pawn]

No, originally all the corruption was going to be black blood, but all the light was added after the saga decision

[dense plover]

sure but the black blood and old god stuff is still significant

i do wonder if the world soul having been in the cradle is tied to elun'ahir and it being pulled up

the world soul was taken by the titans and locked away, if thats the case, the removal of elun'ahir and the shattering may be tied to the world soul being removed from the cradle

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Legend_of_Elun'Ahir this book was added during dragonflight but lines up pretty strongly with a lot of the harandar stuff

ignore me talking about the shattering - that came later and my brain forgot

[dense plover]

except this tree is where deathholme was, which is still pretty fucked up and there is no lightbloom near there

it also isnt a world tree - its roots dont reach that deep

[deep pawn]

No, the mother trees go down too they just aren't as big

[dense plover]

could you show me where you found this? the lore on that tree is pretty limited and i dont see much detail about 'mother trees'

[deep pawn]

On mobile so can't find sources for you

[uncut vault]

It's not mentioned a single time in the Harandar MSQ haha

the threat is entirely the Lightbloom now, nothing about the Black Blood

[dense plover]

the delve

its mentioned there

and theres also mention in one of the scrolls i found

i knew i shouldve taken a screenshot

it talks about the titans fighting off the old gods and how some of the haranir approved since they hated fighting them

but yes, the black blood is not a major threat currently

which i think is fine - its not like theyre retconning - they just decided it was something to return to later

[uncut vault]

Well they definitely are retconning it being a massive threat to the haranir's home like it was framed in TWW

now it's not an issue any of their leaders even mention

or even Orweyna

[upper pasture]

things need to marinate in black blood before becoming an issue apparently

[dense plover]

im sure theyll come back to it eventually ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper pasture]

most likely

[dense plover]

just like they conveniently 'forgot' what happened to the dagger that almost certainly has nzoth inside of it

[upper pasture]

im sure they have more pressing issues, like the sunwell

[elfin eagle]

I’m sure it’ll come back with the isle of fangs and kithix

[deep pawn]

I do think it's funny how they only consider the launch patch the "expansion"

Because they said Midnight was going to focus on the cosmic void side but we're likely gonna spend 6 months fighting venom and old gods

I feel bad for all the people copium huffing that Ula'tek isn't our season 2 raid and zone.

"surely they're reworking part of EPL"

[dense plover]

we really dont know what the deal is with the isle of fangs tbf

[dense plover]

those people are dumb

unless its planned for season 3

which would be weird

i do expect xalatath to be involved with the isle of fangs tho

probably trying to resurrect the kithix thats there or something

[remote shuttle]

We know a fair bit due to one of the books; We know the Atal'ulek is a monument below that only the leaders are allowed to delve into, as it contains is on the remnants of Kithix - if memory serves.

[dense plover]

yeah but we dont know any story beats right now

[deep pawn]

Plus the RPG lore that mages suspected Ula'tek to be an old god in disguise

[dense plover]

i agree its definitely isle of fangs, i do not think theyre going to make zuljan a villain - if they do ill be very disappointed that we cant have a a very masculine character learn from his mistakes and grow to be better since that hasnt really happened in wow - and i do think whatever is down there is going to be something different than what we expect that is somehow going to tie in to xalatath and the twilights blade cult

i have truly no idea where 12.2 is going, though i hope it ties into the haranir somehow, though we are also going to need something to lead us into the last titan and northrend and im not sure what would do that - maybe something to do with a titan facility somewhere?

[deep pawn]

I honestly am not expecting much Xal at all in 12.1

[dense plover]

we dont get a ton of Xal in 12.0

they have to continue to build her up besides the intro and a few voice lines

bare minimum we need to see her in cutscenes doing things that lead to the last titan

right now its really unclear how that happens

i assume we will find out a lot of this at blizzcon tho

maybe earlier? idk since blizzcon is probably gonna be right before s2 launches probably

[remote shuttle]

Xal is max level; and going off raid vo and testing, very present, kicks her plans into action and then advances plans beyond our ability to follow for 12.1, so likely 12.2.

[dense plover]

btw, we got a new beta vendor build ~1 hour ago, so either new build today or early tomorrow

probably tomorrow unless servers go down

[deep pawn]

S2 should be before Blizzcon

[dense plover]

it would be like, right before blizzcon tho - thats not ideal

i wouldnt be surprised if the patch comes out like a week before and season 2 comes out right after

[remote shuttle]

Wouldn't 8 week cadence put us somewhere around 12.1.5 and 12.1.7 for Blizzcon? Or is my math off?

[deep pawn]

April for 12.0.5, June for 12.0.7 and early August for 12.1

Only downside is the MDI finals are at Blizzcon and I don't know if they've ever done that before

[remote shuttle]

April? One month cadence from launch? I guess last week of April? Maybe - 28/29

[deep pawn]

For comparison 11.0.5 was 13 weeks after prepatch

April 14th or 21st would be my guess

But yeah, cadence would put s2 just before Blizzcon but MDI finals would be old patch maybe?

The only question I have is if the hints of a 4 raid expansion are actual hints and not fluff. It's been since BfA for a 4 tier expansion

[little hound]

I'd agree but all the Old Gods are dead, and in the cutscene where the Old Gods imprison Xal'atath, i doubt they'd exclude other old gods at that point. So it is only Y'shaarj, Yogg and C'thun & N'zoth.

[deep pawn]

I mean it'll just be a powerful minion instead of an old god

[remote shuttle]

Is kinda all we got; so likely minion - or the loa itself that has consumed Kith'ix's remains - or something. Its gonna loop back around to Malacras, Zul'jin and the Vilebranch, who they served or are influenced by, I'd guess.

Although tablet would imply Malacrass has potential to still be out there.

[deep pawn]

I'm not super excited for another old god like thing being a false Loa to trolls.

[dense plover]

i hope they decide instead to do a loa thats like, consumed by an old god minion or controlled by it

so its still a loa

or was

[deep pawn]

12.0 PTR updated not sure what's changed no notes

new build but was only like 110mb

[crisp steeple]

With the new transmog system, can you no longer transmog without first saving it to an outfit? On Live you can just transmog an item without saving it to an outfit, and I'm wondering if that's going away. I can't see any 'Transmog' button on the new UI in videos.

[deep pawn]

it is gone, yeah

[crisp steeple]

damn :(

[dense plover]

so i got halfway intro Harandar

and now im stuck

Into the Lightbloom is a progression blocker

which is fucking crazy to have a little over a month before launch

there doesnt seem to be a way around it

[dense plover]

idk if this is new but alts can do normal difficulty prey hunts while leveling in midnight now

[little hound]

I think Nightmare Mode is the only max-level only diff.

[dense plover]

when it was first added, it was max level only for all of it

[deep pawn]

hah, the final reward on the TWW recap quest has bugged ilvls

[remote shuttle]

Bugs pop up all the time - it was likely even fixed within days, but we haven't had a beta build in 24 days.

[crude sigil]

can't wait to see that on day one NA live servers haha

[deep pawn]

Oh that's already live lol

It just feels weird that the final quest at 80 gives bugged ilvls.

[upper lantern]

I've noticed that there's a new house size available on the future housing. Has anyone seen what those house exteriors look like?

[deep pawn]

I don't know if those have been testable yet

[deep pawn]

This belt doesn't clip on a Kul Tiran female when it does on a male human, SORCERY. Also I am now convinced that means we'll see Arathi wearing this set during Midnight. 😄

[chilly creek]

is the 'Weak Aura' addon going to be non-functional at Midnight? if i want to link a spell to a warning what will i use then?

[upper pasture]

A lot of combat addons are being axed, last I checked the person in charge of weak auras development said he was not updating it for midnight

[little hound]

WA is dead, yeah.

[dense plover]

the adventure guide and your eyeballs probably

boss fights arent going to be anywhere near as complex - the point of removing that combat info was to make it so you dont need to do that

and if you cant learn 'oh that spell is important and its coming up on the timer, i should counter it' then you are screwed i guess

but if you cant do that, you arent skilled enough to be doing the thing youre trying to do and you can play it on a lower difficulty level generally speaking

as an example, i ran normal magisters terrace on beta and had to learn 2 mechanics as a dps, and they were both very straight forward

one was to run into a silence bubble while staying away from my party members, and the other was to avoid dropping a puddle on my allies

that was it in the entire dungeon

[chilly creek]

Yeah and the plenty of spells looks simplified to a few now, just the talent points are plentier

[mystic yacht]

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[glass flicker]

Certainly a sentence.

[lone mantle]

That is why the Void is incompatible with our world.

[uncut vault]

Realms are down, so hopefully we're finally getting a build lol

[crude sigil]

need some stuff on devourer, please

[deep pawn]

It probably won't be a big one.

[deep pawn]

I don't like the loading screen

[dreamy dove]

Guys will they keep the original blood elves colors for the void elves?????????

Tell me nope pls

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly with how high quality the silvermoon key art is I dont know why they didnt just make that the loading screen

I kinda like it either way but definitely feels like the void vibe is a little lost

[crude sigil]

Me too, I prefer the "old one" haha
(I have it in my wallpaper background on my pc)

[deep pawn]

you mean skin colors?

[crude sigil]

I think Last Titan login screen will be frozen and titan circle with Ulduar in the middle ...

[deep pawn]

only if Ulduar is our capital

[crude sigil]

We don't know yet, but Dalaran is gone (they will re-re-re-re-re-re-re-rebuild it ? haha), and we will go to Northrend, specially in Ulduar.

[pulsar minnow]

Probably is just gonna be Wyrmrest tbh

They could like double/triple the size of the tower. Make each tier have something going on, expand the structure horizontally around as well

would also fit narratively now that the Dragons have been granted their powers from Azeroth rather than the TItans

[dense plover]

Look who was right about the login screen

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-excited-this-guy-two-thumbs-jim-gif-14850417969904358366

[crude sigil]

Yep, it's possible

[lone mantle]

They did well with the login screen and the background music.

[terse anvil]

What level do we replace our reshi wrap in midnight

[upper pasture]

probably right away if they disable the power tied to it

[dreamy dove]

Yup
Last time i checked in the beta they have red demonic scales, red and golden veils etc etc
Honestly, hoped to see something in palette with their race :/

[deep pawn]

who knows, you'd hope but it's clearly not a high priority

[dreamy dove]

Gonna keep my NE
At least devourer fantasy help me immerse into a night warrior mood lmao

(Btw, i think they have enough resource for a 5 min texture recolor lol)

[dense plover]

tbf, with the newer barbershop, they can always add it later and it wont break anything or require making a new character

[noble mica]

Excited for 20 January 😀

They gonna add new ranged cosmic themed dps

[ember blaze]

Blizz did a survey on potential new class specs

[deep pawn]

forever ago

is this a new one?

alas, I don't have this one if there's a new one

[upper pasture]

New one, it’s on the launcher

[deep pawn]

?

[upper pasture]

It wasn’t emailed, it’s just on the bnet launcher

[deep pawn]

hmm, not everyone then

[upper pasture]

Weird, seems like it was there for a lot of people. Figured it was just there for everyone

[deep pawn]

in notifications I presume?

surveys are usually random selection because that's how to lower response bias.

[upper pasture]

No, it’s a tile.

It was the middle tile for me

[deep pawn]

oh, I usually never scroll down

[upper pasture]

If you don’t read or look at it you’d likely not know it’s a survey

It has a human possibly on it? Iirc

[deep pawn]

I mean There's rarely any useful info for me to scroll down to see

it's typically ads

[upper pasture]

ITS RIGHT THERE

oof caps

[deep pawn]

I know, I found it

I said I missed it because I normally never scroll down cause the info is never important

[ember blaze]

right? 💀

so everyone got this survey then?

[deep pawn]

maybe

[ember blaze]

still has the dont share stuff and how uve been selected in it

so maybe not?

one interesting thing is, they label support as its own thing @deep pawn

so they got some support "role/playstyle" options they have u rate

[deep pawn]

They're kinda throwing everything in there to see what gets attention

[ember blaze]

hopefully it's not full of aug haters marking everything support as bad

[deep pawn]

the choices on some of the questions hurt

[ember blaze]

healer hunter

[deep pawn]

like why you making me choose between tank warlock and support warrior?

[ember blaze]

some of that is too memey

[deep pawn]

I'm fine with anything if it's interesting, but I don't need new specs of an existing role for the spec.

[ember blaze]

like tank warlock sure , it used to bea thing too. But things like support warrior or healer warlock/dh?

that just doesnt make sense

[deep pawn]

You've never heard of Shout warrior? It's a popular concept

[ember blaze]

and i dont see the classe's playerbase wanting either of that

[ember blaze]

no thats a meme

[deep pawn]

not really

It's an archetype that exists in other games

[ember blaze]

i was rooting for mage support but by the end it seems they dont really have that as a set thing theyre doing already

tho healer hunter just sounds really dumb to me

the priest support concept description was lacking so i ended up going with support paladin option

[deep pawn]

Ana in OW says high lol.

[ember blaze]

but one non support thing i really liked the sound of was ranged dps priest

[deep pawn]

only if it's holy

I can't decide between ranged monk or melee evoker in one question lol

[ember blaze]

can they track me if i screenshot something from there 🤔

"ascend into an angelic form, channeling pure, unbroken beams of celestial radiance that pierce through ranks of enemies"

which does sound a bit like the disc ability

but can be 100x cooler if they make it more visually cool

cause those penance beams are so lame

[ember blaze]

pick support on them all 🔫

[deep pawn]

I did some lol

but I can't pass up on shaman tank

so the actual descriptions are easier to be very appealing to stuff

vs vague stuff like "another ranged hunter spec"

[ember blaze]

yeah

even then, im not gonna be excited for a fourth melee rogue spec

[deep pawn]

yeah, the actual descriptions so far are new roles for the classes which are a lot easier to get behind

[noble mica]

I heard they asked about titan killer spec or something 👀

[deep pawn]

hell, I'd even be down for healer hunter

[ember blaze]

wasnt on mines

[deep pawn]

I'm a little sad at lack of bard

[ember blaze]

nah i thought that was ridiculous lol

[deep pawn]

none of these really match the last survey

[ember blaze]

throwing out bandages? and having ur pet deliver it or something?

[ember blaze]

the last one was straight up new classes though

[noble mica]

What you had? 🥲

[ember blaze]

this one is just like adding devourer

ure not gonna see bard here

[deep pawn]

I mean some of the stuff like the rune witch could've been specs

cause the idea of a single spec class like that survey had was nuts

[ember blaze]

like im confident bard is coming for TLT

since we are due for a new class

[noble mica]

Would be great

[ember blaze]

so maybe this will be for whatever is after tlt lol

no new class, but u get a spec in between

like we are soon

[ember blaze]

ummm

going off just the stuff at the end with actual descriptions:

[lone mantle]

I just hope the Last Titan in Ulduar isn’t a soap opera where I’m yelling at titans about how terrible they are.

[ember blaze]

support paladin/priest, healer mage/hunter, Tank mage/warlock/shaman, Ranged dps DK/Monk

[deep pawn]

If they tease me with Tank Shaman again and not give it I'll be so mad

[ember blaze]

altho the ranged dk one is funny cause i know u got ppl begging for a ranged necromancer

[deep pawn]

if we're going to Avaloren the Support Priest/Paladin would feel very likely.

[ember blaze]

and ranged dk is just gonna be a lich with ice magic and some death magic

[noble mica]

Astromancer and bard hehe 😉

[ember blaze]

and ranged dps priest

[noble mica]

Healer mage would be cool

[noble mica]

Lmfao 🤣

[deep pawn]

I'd love that but they aren't asking about that yet haha

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/new-battle-mage-playstyle-coming-to-frost-mages-on-chinas-titan-reforged-server-379965?utm_source=discord-webhook

this feels... well timed with the tank mage concept

[ember blaze]

season of discovery had some of these concepts too

[upper pasture]

that wasn't on mine either

[noble mica]

Saw somewhere on Reddit

[upper pasture]

probably someone's wet dream

[noble mica]

Yeah I know they like that kind of stuff 😆

[upper pasture]

healer hunter is the bottom of the list for me

i don't remember what i put as the top, maybe healer mage/tank shaman. hopefully it gets traction since both were in SoD. and for the first question i put blackflight/earthwarder (tank) spec for evoker but leave aug alone lol

[deep pawn]

I'd be cool with ALL the specs, but if I had to choose, the healer hunter was the least appealing of the 10

[upper pasture]

healer warrior made me laugh, i was like would he be a therapist?

[deep pawn]

smelling salts and smack their butt

[upper pasture]

i did see that melee dps mage on the rapid fire questions and i'd love to see a break down of how that spec would work

[pulsar minnow]

I pitched the idea of Tank Shaman/Evoker in the survey and then immediately got met with the Tank Shaman option

sorry DK's, i love necromancer but cmon

[upper pasture]

shaman tank makes a lot of sense, cause we've already had the basic concept in SoD

[crude sigil]

Shaman tank make a lot of sense because in vanilla (no need SOD), with have some abilities / stuff to "tank" / offtank

[deep pawn]

So long as Tank shaman is a shield user

[upper pasture]

it would be cool if we get like 4-5 of them at a time instead of one at a time unless it was like we get one a season or something cause one in a expansion feels super slow lol

[deep pawn]

we need another shield tank

[upper pasture]

aren't like 99% of shields now role agnostic?

[pulsar minnow]

this

I could see them dropping a bunch over a new class

[deep pawn]

yeah, but only because only int or str users use them

I still need my Titan Artifcer with Radiant Song Bard

[pulsar minnow]

I think after tinker/bard theyre gonna slow down and focus on more specs

[upper pasture]

i did find it odd there was no mention of a bard-like or tinker-like class/spec lol

[pulsar minnow]

i could see them mashing tinker and bard together. Like a giant speaker robot with an electric guitar 💀

would be very Elite-Tauren-Chieften-esque. not sure if people would like it tho

[deep pawn]

I mean if it's something we're gonna be beta testing within a year why ask surveys anymore

this is more about finalizing future plans

TLT is likely announced in September

[upper pasture]

never hurts to get more info, it's not like they don't change classes after they are released

[deep pawn]

yeah, but it's not like they need feedback right now on that concept if its the one they picked

[ember blaze]

not really any class that would fit into tho

[deep pawn]

I was so scared of tinker when they kept asking about new ranged hunter

[ember blaze]

hunter needs less new fantasies shoved into the class 💀

[deep pawn]

Lich DK would fit going back to Northrend

[ember blaze]

rip necromancer people

[lone mantle]

I’d like more dual-wield melee DPS classes, preferably with daggers or swords.

[ember blaze]

nah we got enough basic sword swinging specs

we need dual wield gunner

[little hound]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-play-of-the-game-potg-reaper-heroic-gif-6807475257617313630

[lone mantle]

Dual guns and dual katana-like sabres, please!

https://tenor.com/view/bring-it-equilibrium-gif-27292031

[upper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-dance-bye-bye-bye-deadpool-dancing-deadpool-and-wolverine-nsync-gif-5911714980591414732

you mean?

[noble mica]

Damn it could be in monk class like some matrix shit 😂

[lone mantle]

I’ve always been drawn to this form of combat: swift, precise, and elegant, where every movement is calculated and every strike inevitable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7J3vIiskEE

[rain cave]

this is outlaw rogue, no?

[lone mantle]

Is it? I actually never tried an outlaw in my entire existence.

[ember blaze]

if u count one single ability with the clunkiest looking animation in existence? yeah

anyone else think the game lacks magic armor? 🤔

like theres the obvious magic weapons, that u also see main characters use

but nothing concerning armor

or just very rare

[opaque pewter]

Not really sure what you want from that exactly

[deep pawn]

There's tons of magic armor, it's all we use.

Also, there was more than 10 specs asked about

Some got mage tank some got rogue tank

[upper pasture]

Mages all use magic armor, warlocks, priests and shields, paladins auras and bubbles, shamans have magic armor ebon might is a magic armor? I’m sure there’s more too

DKs shields

[ember blaze]

dont look like it sometimes 🤔

like does jaina have magic enhances robes

[upper pasture]

I mean just because you don’t see it that way or not it’s happening

[ember blaze]

right like when u look at nightborne, its very obvious

[upper pasture]

We enchant all our gear every season so it’s not even limited to magic using classes too

[ember blaze]

but when i look at a human mage like jaina, it just looks like regular clothing

also is there a thing in lore about making ur armor resist magic? 🤔

[upper pasture]

I mean for awhile we had magic resistances but it’s a mechanic they’ve all but phased out of retail

[deep pawn]

Yes, why do you think we can dust gear

[upper pasture]

regular gear (white or grey) can't be DE'd because it's not magical

[deep pawn]

Yeah, so we've been wearing magical gear for a long time

It's what enhances our abilities

[opaque pewter]

I think that person wants some kind of lore confirmation that a particular character's outfit is justified to be worn, because it provides defensive capabilities.
That kind of confirmation is a bit of a double edge sword. Using it badly, it can justly that a character with very skimpy design is justified because it's actually magically providing armor and not hurt the people sensible to immersion, when in reality the reason is that the designer/director just wanted that kind of visuals.

[rain cave]

outfits aren't just for in universe practicality

they are also for communicating something to you, the player

artistic intent 101 xD

[noble mica]

Is outlaw rogue like zorro or pirate? 😅

[rain cave]

Both? I guess

In the same way that warlocks can be both scholars and raving mad

[noble mica]

Or some bad ass cleric

[harsh hinge]

Is the beta currently down?

[proven umbra]

I can't login, stuck at logging into game servers. Been trying for the last hour.

[harsh hinge]

yeah, so prob

[deep pawn]

Someone just pointed out the formatting of the spec survey was actually the same as the German class survey from a while back.

The white background and the set up of the questions and descriptions of the classes

One of the biggest arguments against the class survey was the white background.

Though it is possible Blizzard did it on purpose to troll a tad

I do wonder why they'd do a survey like that in only one language given we never got anyone speaking about it in English

But the spec survey was apparently up for like an hour

[upper pasture]

The spec survey that was just on the launcher?

[deep pawn]

Yeah.

Though others are apparently still getting it based on reddit but lots of others aren't getting it

Regardless I had forgotten that the German survey had that white background

[upper pasture]

It was up for more than a 12 hours on my launcher, cause I filled it out played a bit went to sleep woke up and it was still there to take the SS I took for you to show it on the launcher

[pallid coral]

Huh. Not sure why it has not been discussed much but it appears that
a) Horrific Visions will still be in Pre-patch
b) However when I hop onto Beta, Horrific Vision event is gone. The venders are still there but Soridormi and Augermu are both gone.

[thin river]

I'm not sure if anyone else saw this but there is a new tab in the mythic dungeon tab that shows affixes and keystone level scaling

[thin river]

Are you on leveling realms or max level?

[pallid coral]

leveling

[thin river]

that's interesting

[dense plover]

thats neat

and definitely new

[thin river]

something is certainly missing...

I hope its not going away cause that would really suck

[upper pasture]

I’m like 99% sure they said HV is leaving?

[thin river]

When?

[upper pasture]

In the going away post?

[thin river]

The only thing i saw about it was the head enchant disappearing

[upper pasture]

That’s been gone

Since s3 started

[thin river]

Si

I didn't see any mention of it disappearing besides the head enchant and feat of strengths going away

[upper pasture]

Oh nope, guess it’s supposed to stay

Probably just some sorta of ptr/beta issue

[thin river]

i'm not gambling it

:P

time to farm some visions until i get my last mount

[thin river]

but, at the same time its a "limited time event"

[upper pasture]

Yes, we’ve always known the the achievement rewards were limited. I believe it was supposed to be only in S2 but they extended it to S3 too

FOMO content/rewards aren’t a new thing for blizzard

[deep pawn]

I misread originally and thought you meant it showed the scaling on abilities you could read in the journal without doing math, lol. I would still love that to be added

[tropic trail]

I accepted the quest Survive, but I can't interact with Rommath to begin the ritual. Is this a known bug?! Saw a video of someone doing the quest and it was working for them

[deep pawn]

So I actually used the waybackmachine to get the original German article that people think is fake, and I am positive it's real now. Hopefully mod bots don't get sus at the link lol.

https://web.archive.org/web/20241222233339/https://www.chromie.de/world-of-warcraft-blizzard-testet-neue-klassen-wie-totenbeschwoerer-und-kampfmagier-was-koennte-wirklich-kommen/

It's the same company

Down to the blue next buttons and progress bar

even the questions are formatted the same way a bunch

I love love love that we got proof over a year later that it's real!

VINDICATION

[pallid coral]

Took me 6 hours of non-stop grinding but I finally got the last achievement for the event (8 mask Stormwind). Way too many runs died on Alleria because I didn't have my cheat death going into the fight. Orgrammar was a lot easier to clear than Stormwind. But in the process got all of the mount vendor items purchased.

[thin river]

damn

I had the opposite experience

Alleria was ez af

But thrall was difficult because of his instant sanity loss boars

[ember blaze]

You can cheese the titan buff which just trivializes all the bosses lol

[ember blaze]

What kinda fake survey would make the radiant song bard idea so good.

That was enough for me

Plus the guy on here who got it lol

[thin river]

Does anyone happen to know what endeavors will release on tuesday?

[crude sigil]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/pre-patch-game-updates-overview

[thin river]

so.

That doesn't name specfically what endeavors

and the endeavor guide has endeavors not releasing on pre patch for a fact

like blood-elf since we don't have access to new silvermoon yet

[crude sigil]

what do you mean by "endeavors" ?

You mean Neighborhood Endeavors ?

[thin river]

Yes

Specifically what themes are arriving

[crude sigil]

I think no-one know

[thin river]

Well I took the ones I knew weren't coming during pre patch due to the content being locked behind midnight and just took a best guess

Grummies from MOP

Dracthyr from Dragonflight

Mechagnomes from BFA

Ethereals from TWW

Niffen from Dragonflight

[crude sigil]

Maybe Consortium (Ka'resh, ...)

[thin river]

Yeah

the ethereals

[dense plover]

i think ethereals or blood elves are likely - endeavors are longer than trading post

so it can last past prepatch into launch patch

[ember blaze]

watch this be a preview of the dps priest

[upper pasture]

Do we get holiday themed endeavors? Could’ve love is in the air if so? Idk maybe too early

[deep pawn]

They said there are some yeah

Guild leaders and charter leaders get to pick between a few options

[thin river]

Well

it can't be the blood elves

Blood elves require new silvermoon to do their endeavors

[dense plover]

only some

others happen in the neighborhood

[upper pasture]

Also even if one requires some midnight stuff it’s gonna be like trading post, as in it has activities across all of Azeroth to complete the endeavor no?

[ember blaze]

interesting to see stuff like this after that survey. For things that would fit very well for some of those concepts

[thin river]

Yes

Some but not the majority

[deep pawn]

the cloak shield?

[deep pawn]

That's just the cloak shield no? I'd hate that mechanic for a tank htough haha

[ember blaze]

and even has the animation where you hold up your shield

[deep pawn]

graphically that is

[ember blaze]

i love the visual

[upper pasture]

its the remix talent/ability no?

[ember blaze]

yes

[bold bolt]

for anyone who played the beta and unlocked the reskinned scarlet charger mount quest. do you know if its a paladin only mount, or can any class use it? seeing conflicting info and was curious

thanks!

[crude sigil]

https://i.imgur.com/wxMK7ra.png This mount ?

I completed the quest on my DH (and can mount it)

[bold bolt]

thank you so much for the quick reply!

that is amazing and im so excited, i have a scarlet crusade transmog on all my characters so this is HUGE for me haha

woohooo!!

[crude sigil]

ho yeah o/

[deep pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7S35QurmQE

[dense plover]

i fully expect them to show an overview of northrend in some form at blizzcon

since we will probably have TLT alpha before next blizzcon

[deep pawn]

no

Blizzcon is in September

should be right after 12.1

TLT itself might be out before Blizzcon 2027 if we have one

[dense plover]

yeah thats what im saying?

[deep pawn]

Next blizzcon to me read as this year sorry

[dense plover]

it does read as this year

which is correct? when else would they talk about it...

blizzcon is in september, and alpha for TLT will probably be before blizzcon 2027, so they have to talk about it this year

[deep pawn]

I read your sentence as alpha this year.

[dense plover]

oh yeah i meant next blizzcon as the one after this one

like, the next blizzcon (after this one)

[deep pawn]

odds are there won't be a 2027 Blizzcon though

[dense plover]

depends how this one goes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

and what they might have to announce

its possible 2027 might be announcing the next saga for WoW

[deep pawn]

TLT would be freshly launched most likely the StarCraft shooter will be live, the D4 expansion will be live.

Classic + is highly likely announced this year for early 2027

[dense plover]

D4 expansion is probably out before blizzcon this year

[deep pawn]

next d4 expansion

[dense plover]

idk if we will see another after this one

[deep pawn]

Media expects a new d4 expansion at Blizzcon

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

They would only have yet another d4 expansion next year

[dense plover]

the talk about the frozen throne in that video is interesting - especially with their being no LK now and the last time we were there it was partially melted from bolvar

[deep pawn]

I had hoped for any details alas.

[dense plover]

yeah its kinda a nothing video tbh

i do expect them to combine zones like they did with eversong and the ghostlands for sure though

but its also a question of what the focus needs to be - i cant imagine borean tundra is that important - there is fuck all there

[deep pawn]

I'm still expecting some will be sunk in the Cataclysm

Icecrown melted, Sholazar and Borean flooded.

Plus whatever Iridikron does when he raises his domain

[dense plover]

we know zuldrak is overrun by the scourge and yeah, probably partially sunk

howling fjord and grizzly hills are probably still intact due to elevation and will probably be one zone

also pretty much a given we get the nerubian zone we never got

[deep pawn]

there was that white board picture with presumed Metzen handwriting

[dense plover]

idk if they will flood scholazar - the titan stuff there will be important

[dense plover]

can you share that?

[deep pawn]

this was forever ago, let me see if I can find it again

https://wowvendor.com/app/uploads/2025/08/WoW-Northrend-map-leak.jpg

[dense plover]

i cant imagine them doing this and sinking two of the most beloved zones

howling fjord and grizzly hills are just too popular

[deep pawn]

Babylon is a code name Blizzard has used before

[dense plover]

also havent they said we would be using ulduar as our capitol?

[deep pawn]

I believe it was the original name for Hallowfall actually

[deep pawn]

they just said we'd return there to see the Titans return

[dense plover]

it also says valdrakken accord so this is ANCIENT

because thats the dragonflight rep

[deep pawn]

Valdrakken Accord is likely still active and is there to fight Iridikron

if this specific map is real

Probably renamed like the Draconic Vanguard or something

[dense plover]

yeah i dont think it is

the only source is a reddit post i think?

[deep pawn]

I mean the only reason people suspect it is because it matches Metzen's handwriting and we've seen maps like this before

[pulsar minnow]

Wasn’t it released as an 11.0 leak

I forgot ngl

[deep pawn]

it was just before the Midnight reveal yeah

It'd be a fine map I think and it'd touch on all the recent plots.

Titans, Earthen, Haranir at Vordrassil, and the Aspects rebellion.

and possibly the Arathi if they're actually Bablyon

[dense plover]

no chance they wipe out grizzly hills and howling fjord

0%

the video literally talks about how they want to make sure all these places still exist in some form

[deep pawn]

I mean some parts of Grizzly Hills remain obviously haha

[dense plover]

it contradicts the video you just posted

heavily

[deep pawn]

I didn't get that impression from the video, they mostly didn't want you to be able to cross a line and go back 20 years

they do mention balancing nostalgia with the fact northrend is changed by time and the events going on.

and imagine the free anger they could generate if Iridikron is who destroys the zones

[dense plover]

nice ui updates

[fathom fulcrum]

rip Alleria 😔

4ever in our hearts

[tulip sun]

Huh?

Did story get revealed or something

[pulsar minnow]

theyre probably talking about alleria being the final boss of Voidspire

[fathom fulcrum]

nah

[meager warren]

NOOOOO NOT MY BELOVED

😭

[fathom fulcrum]

yeah she gone

u can also loot the rest of Locus Walker off her iirc

[little hound]

She doesn't die She gets temporarily possessed, and is freed by the end of it.

||L'ura gets yoinked out of her and becomes the last boss in the Quel'Danas raid. Then we get the wokewell where elven tribes offer tribute to it, and it becomes a rainbow. || 3/10 Storywriting quality.

[fathom fulcrum]

wokewell 😭

let L'ura rest wft

[harsh mason]

If you read the description of this boss, and then look that before that we kill literally 3 commanders of the Vanguard of Light, then with a 99% probability ||Turalyon will die here. The description of the final raid also hints at this a bit.||

[remote shuttle]

The raid Vo is in; || Turalyon opposes the lightblind and says he’ll never side against his family. ||

|| Raid fight doesn’t end with Alleria and Turalyon being returned to us; they both go missing. Leaving Arator to have to return to Silvermoon and deal with the fallout of L’ura. Where they call to aid from the elves for their speciality of Wells of Magic. ||

[dense plover]

this was datamined in alpha and has already been flagged as DNT

that means theyve already gone and changed this

dont spread rumors

its literally been removed from the files

[little hound]

Oh right, because i datamine and know these changes I don't, i spread facts that I know about, i was unaware of the changes.

[dense plover]

it was pre-alpha content and was definitely cut

it was likely the pre-metzen ending

[little hound]

"Davin, these things have been changed, so this isn't confirmed anymore." Would be a kinder tone, as i'm not intentionally spreading misinformation or rumors.

[dense plover]

sorry

it was a heavily discussed topic about two months ago for like 3 days so i thought you might already know - i apologize

i shouldnt assume

[glass fulcrum]

no way, civil discussion without either side blowing up impossible

[little hound]

I'm not too active in Wowhead's discord, i just scoop by at times.

[little hound]

Okay hang on, let me just..

[dense plover]

theres technically still a chance they kept it and just encrypted it, but considering the feedback I know went back directly to the devs through 2 of my contacts, i cant imagine they kept it

[little hound]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[rain cave]

also davin I feel like you saying "the wokewell" makes your narration on the topic not very good

[dense plover]

and that wouldnt explain the DNT flag it got before it was removed/encrypted

[little hound]

Seeing as most lore discussion in other places have been about genders, identities etc? I felt like that was a proper response for it, especially around elves. But that is irrelevant to this topic right now.

[rain cave]

but you're.. deriding something for being like that instead of actually critiquing any bad writing

which is a red flag to me

[glass fulcrum]

oh no here we go

[little hound]

Darling, you are a stranger to me. I don't know you, and i'm not trying to impress you. If i'm a red flag to you for being honest with my beliefs? That's honestly too bad, sorry.

[rain cave]

🤷‍♂️

[little hound]

A Block/Ignore button exists, i really don't care if you use it or not. I will always be honest, not gonna step on eggshells for strangers.

[rain cave]

just saying that if that sort of stuff irks you then WoW is not a very friendly community to tht lmao

but w/e

[little hound]

I've been part of that community since I was a kid, 20/21 years ago. I know the community more than most new folks these days 😄

[lone mantle]

No worries, if you write too perfectly, they’ll accuse you of using AI and think you’re weird overall.

[little hound]

Hahahaha

True!

[rain cave]

nah AI can't write well

[lone mantle]

[keen bane]

Does the Housing Endeavors progress bar reset every 40 days?

[little hound]

yep

[ember blaze]

damn i thought the wokewell bit was funny if they were just joking 😬

[tulip sun]

Damn. Those two and always vanishing

[deep pawn]

I wager it'll be every 30-31 days starting in March.

I would guess this is February's endeavor just started early

[keen bane]

I was more asking if the progess bar resets every month, cause thats gunna be annoying to get up each month

[ember blaze]

are endeavors live? 🤔

[deep pawn]

yes

they are for better or worse faction specific progress

[ember blaze]

guess ill be permanently behind, gg

[deep pawn]

When do you plan on buying the expansion?

[ember blaze]

ive bought it 💀

physically. 💀

[deep pawn]

And it's possible the 1000 endeavor exp cap works like raid renown and you can kinda catch up

[ember blaze]

arent the rewards limited time tho for whatever month

[deep pawn]

I'm sure they'll rotate and you can try to find a neighborhood with it active to visit

[uncut vault]

It's also literally entirely unfounded

someone just made up a rumor that because one of the light spell effects on the housing decor trophies uses a rainbow light effect, that the new well will somehow be rainbow

(its literally not even a rainbow, its literally just natural light visual)

[worn crown]

Midnight didn't exist pre-Metzen.Midnight is ALL Metzen

[austere gazelle]

Adding to that : if you look at the final fight in March of Quel Danas raid journal , you'll see that the final boss spawn " Dusk / Midnight / Dawn " crystals and the dawn one is just regular light too

[noble mica]

Well if midnight is all Metzen then it should be good

[glass flicker]

Well, Metzen can't fix all the plot holes by himself. I mean...

Wrath of the Lich King.

[remote shuttle]

What if it’s a creation of Metzen’s own design? Would it shake the god-like belief in his ideas?

[rain cave]

metzen isnt a cure all who can do no bad though keep in mind

he is but one cog in what warcraft was and is

he brings a spirit to it sure, and his direction can be felt in projects he's involved with. But he's just as able to make bad decisions as anyone else, and he isn't the only source of good things

[deep pawn]

Metzen is also an older man now who has kids

People can change

[pulsar minnow]

Also did we not have datamined models for Thalyssra and the Arcan’dor fruit that she’s supposedly tossing into the new well?

That would kinda confirm that being the story direction

[deep pawn]

I mean it's not the first time we've rebirthed the well

[dense plover]

That’s the part that was included in the wipe and DNT pass

Now an hd cinematic model for her does make sense

But even vareesa is getting one of those

[glass fulcrum]

just curious why dont they just always use HD models for characters if they have them