beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper pasture]

Generally they add something to each holiday every year so what’s the difference

[deep pawn]

not every year haha

[upper pasture]

In the most recent cases we’ve been getting more stuff than not

Even if it’s a few mogs we’ve been getting them

[lavish raptor]

they should add holiday glyphs

[zealous sedge]

It would be nice if they did retroactive rewards for completed holiday achievements. Like the achievements you need for ‘What a Long Strange Trip…’

But undoubtedly there will be currency rewards in the vendors.

[upper pasture]

they.....said...they would have retroactive rewards for those achievements tho

[zealous sedge]

They didn’t specify which achievements other than the expansion meta achievements iirc.

[upper pasture]

They basically said they want to reward us for earning things from the past too and they don’t want to have to force us into redoing content to “re-earn” rewards so id expect a mix of items coming in from older achievements being granted right away with some others being added in to the vendors to create “encouragement” to do it in the future

[zealous sedge]

Yes I remember that. I just hope they remember the holiday achieves.

[upper pasture]

But say onyxia’s head we aren’t going to be expect to go back and kill her again to get the mountable head trophy

[zealous sedge]

I can’t even imagine the graphic design/ art/ animation workload right now. But I assume they’ve been working on this for years so probably have quite a bit of assets. Plus all the already existing assets in game.

[upper pasture]

I’d expect a heathy mix of things earned instantly from the achievements from holidays and “newer” stuff to be earned from vendors

[zealous sedge]

Yeah that’s what I’m expecting too.

I’m sure there will be some FoS rewards too. Like trophies for world first, HoF and the like

[upper pasture]

That, I doubt.

[lavish raptor]

i want to put a full scale model of Thunderfury on my wall

[zealous sedge]

Oh you think so? I guess we’ll see

[upper pasture]

yeah, just the amount of FOMO that alone would create would put a bad taste in alot of players mouths

[zealous sedge]

That’s true

[deep pawn]

I'm absolutely positive all the various holiday banners and garlands will be new purchases

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/towelthetank/status/1917383039715532963?t=_Cp55PZbwB4Sp3BInU_hbw&s=33

Towelliee (@towelthetank) on X

Hmmm tomorrow going to be an interesting day

X · Apr 30, 2025, 12:58 AM

MrGM rt this

11.1.7? something different?

[silent urchin]

there seems like there's gonna be some event at pax east/boston event, probably nothing major before that

at least not public

although for all I know it's just inviting a bunch of content creators and giving them exclusive in game items

again

[zealous sedge]

Housing demo? Idk just spitballing. Doubt they have space for that many rigs.

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hqJ210XWeU

thats a big one

and one i will love so much

[deep pawn]

Legacy of Arathor?

That doesn't sound like a transition to Karesh

It has to be Beledar and further down.

or imagine we actually go to The Capital.

[zealous sedge]

Goodbye Hekii

Given Siren Isle was a mini zone I could see the Arathi Capital another mini zone

For 11.1.7

I also kinda have this theory that the Arathi Kingdom is wayyyy smaller than they make it out to be.

[pulsar minnow]

Or it could be a questline with the residents of Hallowfall reconnecting with the Arathi Highlands

Which is moving them in the direction of silvermoon

[deep pawn]

Maybe.

[silent urchin]

we had some not entirely resolved stuff about creating a portal back to the empire in 11.0

also it could still go in basically any direction, we aren't getting much more than a hint til the next major patch

[zealous sedge]

It would make sense for some of the Arathi to reclaim the Arathi Highlands in .7. They will be needed in Midnight

[deep pawn]

They're elves too.

at least as much elves as void elves, nightborne, and naga are now.

[zealous sedge]

Yup

[warm topaz]

PTR tonight? or next week?

what you guys think

[deep pawn]

I've been the biggest mouth about the portal issue feeling weird as a hook with Jaina and Oculeth as characters

Tonight or tomorrow

[pulsar minnow]

They said very near future. I’d guess either tomorrow or next Tuesday

[silent urchin]

another new vendor build for 11.1.7, probably not PTR today

[uncut vault]

Siren Isle wasn’t really anything to do with Undermine either tbf, beyond goblins existing there as 1/3 of our allies

It also had more to do with beledar haha

[deep pawn]

I mean, the story quests were all about undermine though

and the blackblood I guess

[uncut vault]

Yeah but the patch title wasn’t :P

Could just mean one half of the patch is wrapping up Arathi story, while the MSQ is heading elsewhere

[deep pawn]

To be fair, 11.0.7 was just "Siren Isle Update"

it didn't have a whole name

Legacy of Arathor sounds a lot bigger

eh, guess Siren Isle was just the title, but doesn't feel as official.

[uncut vault]

Got a whole little mini-cinematic showing off the ring and the island as the big patch feature too

Could be pointing towards something other than Arathi, but it also could just be them packing all the sub-patch story into one, instead of spreading it into two like in DF

[deep pawn]

I'll be fine with a portal or Arathi Highlands stuff.

[lavish raptor]

I really dont think we're traveling to a different planet next season. They datamine shit that wont be related for a year or more all the time.

The children's day banners didnt see the light of day until this month and they were datamined in 2023 iirc

[deep pawn]

some think rootlands were abandoned when they made the saga

[silent urchin]

They're probably gonna be important eventually

some part of it very much seems to involve all the cosmic forces going deeper, after the world soul

rootlands represents the life force

[lavish raptor]

i doubt the plan of rootlands was "we need to abandon this and make this story more incoherent and bounce around"

"we need to tell this story about Alleria and her struggle against the void that will last three or four years and thats why its totally sensible to go to the alien planet halfway through the first part"

[deep pawn]

Some people are convinced K'aresh is next cause of the teaser and I'm scared it is, even if the world looks more destroyed than argus

[upper pasture]

Personally I think the rootlands isn’t abandoned but just isn’t next, it’s what’s gonna bring us back to Azeroth after we get the dark heart handled.

Because right now our problems are Xal and the dark heart

[lavish raptor]

xal is separated from the dark heart right now tho (thats why she got pissed at gallywix)

we are more likely to go after foot mommy than some dude somewhere in space

[deep pawn]

It's an ethereal raid, but that can still happen on Azeroth

[lavish raptor]

Ethereals invading rootlands (which are implied to be next to the heart of the planet) is my bet if they get involved

[deep pawn]

Maybe a Tomb of Sargeras type thing where only last boss is on another planet.

[lavish raptor]

Yeah thats possible

[upper pasture]

She might not have the dark heart but she’s gonna go after it. And we definitely don’t want something that powerful just floating around for anyone to have

[lavish raptor]

yeah which is why shed probably distract us again like she did with the bug ppl

[deep pawn]

I still think the Ethereals need to suck Azeroth's soul for something

I want ptr dang it

[pulsar minnow]

I kinda wish they’d explain the dark heart better. It’s said it absorbs all magic and converts it to void. But then it shatters and releases khadgar who explicitly converted himself into arcane… and he’s back as normal (obv minus the need for a wheelchair which was a result of the transmutation)

[upper pasture]

I’d be willing to bet we might get more of an explanation down the line from possibly the titans

Wether or not they tell us the whole truth is yet to be seen

[deep pawn]

tomorrow I guess. 😦

[tropic trail]

You guys heard about this new one button rotation helper implementation? 👀

Thanks god I am a healer I don’t have to deal with all of this anymore. Haha 😂

[deep pawn]

We don't even know if it'll work with healing

It might just be their dps rotation

[tropic trail]

Imagine healing with one button 🤣

[silent urchin]

Knew someone who did that back in vanilla, before that addon got banned

surprisingly effective at the time

[harsh mason]

In any case, you will not be able to implement this in content more difficult than normal dungeon or open world content.

[tropic trail]

Haha I know, it’s like spamming greater heal and trying to win.

[warm topaz]

11.1.7 today?

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/blue-tracker/topic/us/m-dungeon-trinkets-added-to-turbo-boost-event-2100860

[silent urchin]

it's a good change but still feels weird. Also no weapons/rings/whatever

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24199286/the-war-within-get-a-look-at-the-legacy-of-arathor

oooh the new t2 set recolours

Alongside this event, we are also providing a Collector’s Bounty buff which will aid players in the hunt for legacy loot by increasing drops in legacy content throughout Azeroth. We’ll share more details when we are closer to its release. WHAT

During this update cycle, we’re refreshing Turbulent Timeways with the addition of Battle for Azeroth in the rotation. This event will span six weeks, beginning and ending with Battle for Azeroth.

[deep pawn]

No, the big part is the lore Walker stuff

We get to fight dimensius in Netherstorm and see Xalatath get put into the blade

[lavish raptor]

BFA TIMEWALKING

[silent urchin]

they put shrine in :(

although I guess it's the capstone dungeon for each zone, skips tol dagor and siege

[warm topaz]

so excited to see that

[silent urchin]

That's the existing ethereal relevant questlines, it's definitely nice that they're doing a recap

nothing really stopping you doing them now, this just makes it easier

[lavish raptor]

Also you can't access a lot of these questlines at lv10 normally

So more content for my Twink

[warm topaz]

oh i thought was something new

[deep pawn]

Xal meeting the old gods is definitely new

I don't think it's exactly the same quests

Also, Ethereals=Brokers?

Conformed maybe

We'll see what Cho says

[warm topaz]

yeah i've never heard about that before

[lavish raptor]

The BFA questline

Where she gets waifufied and talks to nzoth

[deep pawn]

That's not the distant past

The preview definitely implies the moment she gets betrayed and knifed

[lavish raptor]

ah i see

New content then ya

[silent urchin]

could be. I think some of that has been covered in game in lore books but maybe not quests

[deep pawn]

I don't think so. We have Xal's words about being betrayed by the old gods

[ember blaze]

oh boy

back when you were trolling for having a ranged dps

[deep pawn]

Time walking dungeons are never that hard

[ember blaze]

because there are 30 fucking kicks

[deep pawn]

I'm sorry to say Blizzard, but why the hell does this .7 patch kick the butt out of the .5

[zealous sedge]

The belt is basically the Signet?

[deep pawn]

Surely not, cause I can already hear tears about having to do delves

[warm topaz]

yeah there are some new questlines on that Lorewalker, check the last part

[zealous sedge]

True

[deep pawn]

Might be a delve only thing

[zealous sedge]

I don’t know how I feel about new delves currency

So many currencies

[deep pawn]

It says more

[zealous sedge]

To make up for trinkets?

[upper pasture]

It’s not a new currency just more?

[deep pawn]

So more undercoins, more crests

[upper pasture]

So more undercoin

[deep pawn]

If you're doing harder delves yeah more rewards

[zealous sedge]

Oh I ding dong

[upper pasture]

I’m glad to see 11.1.7 is getting seemingly a lot more stuff than 11.1.5 did

[silent urchin]

I assume it's just extra undercoins rather than a new currency entirely

[zealous sedge]

I feel like .5 was devised befor the world soul saga came into picture l

[silent urchin]

although no idea why you'd need more undercoins at this point

[zealous sedge]

Yeah that was my thinking. Sometimes their wording makes it sound weird

[deep pawn]

Maybe they let you buy champ gear with it during the event

[zealous sedge]

Like why not say “increased currency rewards”

I’m thinking it’s a specific vendor for a ew delve currency but we shall see

Just another catchup mechanic

I find it curious they included Arthas in the lorewalking event, probably hints towards Last Titan?

[upper pasture]

Probably the new gear tbh

And for “delve only” players to not feel left out in catch up gear even tho nightfall is so easy lol

[deep pawn]

More that Arthas has one of the most popular stories in the game.

[zealous sedge]

I was thinking that too. It’s an easy plug and play story

[silent urchin]

I've leveled like 6 alts and got them all to 630+ ilvl already, and that's just raw drops, I've not put in any effort to optimise it

[ionic terrace]

Ptr just patched

[silent urchin]

damn theyr'e early I'm still raiding :(

[uncut vault]

Yeah this is definitely the reason lol

other two are clearly current-story relevant, Arthas is just Arthas

maybe if we're lucky, they'll expand on Nerzhul a bit so that players who only know Arthas get the full picture

[upper pasture]

I find it laughable that they just keep bringing arthas back despite saying in SLs we’re done with him and we wanna move past it. Granted I love arthas but yeah 😂

[deep pawn]

I think this is a sort of parallel chromie time

[warm topaz]

patch notes soon?

[deep pawn]

probably

[silent urchin]

New delve stuff is apparently not mandatory, it's in addition to existing stuff. That's neat at least

must be a chonker of a patch, took wago.tools ages to process

dark titan?

[deep pawn]

Red Dawn?

weird...

I'm guessing things get bloody in Arathi

Also I wonder if this is an actual retcon of BfA chronicles.

[silent urchin]

it's presumably a continuation of that short story we got recently

I guess that's the new delve currency

[upper pasture]

leigon meta achievement maybe?

[warm topaz]

could be also a Remix thing

[upper pasture]

the legacy loot thing definitely has my attention

[deep pawn]

oh I didn't do the heartlands story cause it wasn't originally readable.

[ember blaze]

rip ur class rework expectations

[uncut vault]

Well I'll be damned, I didnt think theyd actually make these race-agnostic

[deep pawn]

Guess they just won't do anything mid season anymore outside of 0.5

[ember blaze]

we got nothing .5 either

[deep pawn]

they did a bunch for 11.0.5

as a "finish from beta."

that paladin set is very pink

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1918006918695583813

MrGM (@MrGMYT) on X

In Patch 11.1.7 we will have an expansion Meta-Achievement for Legion! Which will reward the Rites of the Felsoul Mount

X · May 1, 2025, 6:17 PM

[silent urchin]

Quite a few spoilers in broadcast text

lotta placeholders there, it's still all the BFA ones

[sharp kraken]

Where can I read this?

[ember blaze]

🙏 please no bullshit table stuff

man is this gonan require doing the questline for every class

[silent urchin]

yeah I'm not gonna spam with it all. I'm reading it at https://wago.tools/db2/broadcasttext/diff?from=11.1.5.60568&page=1&to=11.1.7.60520

[ember blaze]

undead paladin?

💀

[silent urchin]

Calia maybe

[ember blaze]

seriously is there really that much dev time required to make a fucking horse for paladins

[upper pasture]

that's a hot mount

[sharp kraken]

Checkmate losers

[ember blaze]

they got 1000000000 horse models

[sharp kraken]

That's assuming every race will use a horse

[ember blaze]

just pick one for each race

[sharp kraken]

(They shouldn't)

[upper pasture]

that's ALSO a hot mount lol

[warm topaz]

that's an awesome mount

[ember blaze]

ok we got a bajillion diferrent dog/horse mounts

just pick one

like dracthyr got those dragon horses

just make it yellow

[sharp kraken]

Goblins

Holy trike

[lavish raptor]

Wasnt argus the dark titan

[warm topaz]

Sargeras

[lavish raptor]

Ah true

We didn't really subdue him tho, the other titans did

[sharp kraken]

What are each of those items

[lavish raptor]

Tho

Its a meta achievement

[ionic terrace]

toys

[sharp kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[lavish raptor]

I love Toys

[sharp kraken]

I was expecting a mount or transmog at least

[lavish raptor]

They need to add another toy mount

A giant rubber duck thats an aquatic mount

[harsh mason]

He is death titan. This is literally its name in the game files)))

[silent urchin]

I guess it didn't make it into 11.1.5 but maybe it will be in .7?

[warm topaz]

are the Lorewalker questlines testable?

[ionic terrace]

yes

funny, i got d/c and logged back in at westfall with lorewalking still active

and it's scaling to 80 now

[warm topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979055063974682714/1016426020338933833/3x.gif

[upper pasture]

such is the life of a ptr

[deep pawn]

nah, they said it was future content

[ember blaze]

where are the class changes 😡

[deep pawn]

Not happening I guess

11.2

[warm topaz]

on 11.2 hahaha

[deep pawn]

if even then

I don't think I like this current design decision

imagine being a non Vengeance tank right now

[upper pasture]

oh the cart feature on the TP is nice

[lavish raptor]

[deep pawn]

eh?

[upper pasture]

Timewalking scaling is still messed up ig

[lavish raptor]

yeah

the 332 helm is from a normal dungeon

timewalking drops ilvl194 at the same level

looking good so far

[ember blaze]

https://bsky.app/profile/keyboardturner.bsky.social/post/3lo522j7ujs2y

Ellie - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturner.bsky.social)

Sweatsuits (in many colors) #⛏️

Bluesky · May 1, 2025, 7:26 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/saphras.bsky.social/post/3lo4w33h6tk2g

✨🌒Saphras🌘✨ (@saphras.bsky.social)

OH MY GOD

This rain gear is so CUTE!!!!!

Bluesky · May 1, 2025, 6:14 PM

[silent urchin]

huh the story quests are testable

[zealous sedge]

Mannn I can’t keep up with the meta achievements hahah

Celestial serpent is dope

Forsaken horsey also dope

Recuperate spell also dope

Ok .7 already shaping up to be better than .5

[ember blaze]

the bar is in hell

[zealous sedge]

Well at-least it can’t go any lower

Story events with cosmetic rewards will always beat mundane scenario grindy events for rewards in my mind

[lavish raptor]

yeah you're right its new content

errrr

[warm topaz]

I need to play that ql later

[lavish raptor]

||They gave C'thun VOICE LINES.||

||gang's all here||

[warm topaz]

that's cool af

[deep pawn]

wowhead posted the cinematic

[zealous sedge]

So Xal is basically straight up void lord or is that a placeholder model

[lavish raptor]

i think she's a void lord

[silent urchin]

red dawn questline is great, but a bit short

oh overcharged delves are open too

lightning everywhere, new mobs

there's an upgrade UI for it but it gives an error atm so it's just a blank window

[upper pasture]

Is the “new” gear at the vendors? Is it the same appearances or a new set?

[silent urchin]

doing this on t8 but ilvl is scaled down to 639 so it's fucking awful

and FPS is terrible

ok these just fucking suck

[uncut vault]

not a void lord

she was something before she embraced the void

[zealous sedge]

Guessing she was a very powerful mage

Who sought power

[lavish raptor]

or a priest

[zealous sedge]

Priest would make more sense yeah

[ember blaze]

sounds like another fish mage out there

[zealous sedge]

Tried to control the shadow

[lavish raptor]

unless he means that they're the darkness that embraced her

since the topic of "things you betrayed"

[lone mantle]

A star that the darkness embraced… until she collapsed into a black hole.

[silent urchin]

Finished the delve. Wasn't fun. Although this dark as fuck skittering breach story always sucks

so much lightning, bunch of dumb overpowered mobs, got enough for the first upgrade but the UI is broken so can't do more than that

Didn't seem to be a way to turn it off, despite that forum post saying it was optional

[warm topaz]

there is a talent tree and a new belt that we can upgrade every week

maybe those make it easier

[silent urchin]

Could be, but can't test that cause of the UI error

wasn't quite how I expected this to work, the runed gives +3 and gilded +6 ilvls, there's a new slot available for crafting, and the augmentation matrix is entirely separate to the enchanted crest, can put a runed one on a gilded crest like here, or theoretically on an item with no crest at all

[upper pasture]

oh good it seems all already obtained hero/myth track stuff gets the 2 extra upgrade slots and you don't have to get new drops for those slots whew

[tropic trail]

Nah she wants to summon void lord lol

[deep pawn]

Boo, Blizzard made the crafting ilvls cost 30 crests instead of 20

[upper pasture]

eh, crests will be uncapped at the same time

[deep pawn]

Yeah but I hate needing 50% more.

[upper pasture]

30%

[deep pawn]

At the very least make it cheaper if you have the 675 achievement

30 is 50% more than 20

[sullen dawn]

Knew it

[upper pasture]

fair, but the difference between 20 and 30 gilded is still 2 dungeons and it's not like we are time gated anymore on them

by the time the crests become uncapped most people will likely already be sitting on about 150 or even more(gilded that is), depending on the vault i know i've got one or two more chances at myth track gear. heck i might even be able to trade all my lower crests when it becomes uncapped and level all my boosted itm tracks

and if players are filling their vaults they will have no issue getting the crests they need

[deep pawn]

I'm not filling my vaults and I don't enjoy grinding keys

[upper pasture]

"grinding" keys it's like less than 7 keys to hit cap each week

[deep pawn]

That's like 4 hours of gameplay

On top of raid and anything else you do.

[harsh mason]

Read at your own risk

||Ve'nari and Locus-Walker are familiar with each other and in lorewalking they will go somewhere together.||

[deep pawn]

I haven't capped gilded crests ever this season

Nice. I'm not shocked

They likely are pulling strings together. Hell there's probably a member of their little cohort in every realm

[pulsar minnow]

Starting to feel like brokers are just ethereals who found their way into the shadowlands and were changed by its energies

[deep pawn]

They said they weren't and are Shadowlands natives

[harsh mason]

And yes, ||ethereals and brokers are from the same planet.||

[deep pawn]

So the Brokers lied

[lavish raptor]

||I miss Ve'nari so I'm fine with this||

[lavish raptor]

I mean their planet DID blow up

[deep pawn]

I mean I'm fine with them lying.

[tropic trail]

They lied they came from where ? 👀

[deep pawn]

Shadowlands Chronicles said they were natives of that realm.

The book was written from their viewpoint supposedly

[tropic trail]

Natives of shadowlands?

[deep pawn]

Yeah

Like the Dreadlords or the Fae

[tropic trail]

That would mean they are dead ethereals

[lavish raptor]

could be a retcon

[deep pawn]

No

Dreadlords and Fae are born of the Shadowlands and don't have souls.

[tropic trail]

Man this lore is so weird you try to make sense of it for so many years and yea 💀

[lavish raptor]

I mean they apparently can have kids

[deep pawn]

Who?

[lavish raptor]

brokers

[tropic trail]

I thought Ve’nari was dead

[lavish raptor]

no she just left for fun

[sullen dawn]

Like I said before, ethereals dont have to be from karesh

[lavish raptor]

faked her death

[deep pawn]

That would imply they aren't dead Ethereals if they can have children

[tropic trail]

I literally saw her body

[sullen dawn]

Being ethereal is a form more than a cultural race

[lavish raptor]

sounds like you fell for her faking her death

[deep pawn]

Have you ever gone back to her hideaway after? She literally said she left a decoy

[tropic trail]

Damn

[deep pawn]

Or it was mailed with a toy

One of the two

[lavish raptor]

"After five days, Ve'nari sent the Maw Walker a letter revealing her survival, and how she had faked her death to get Cartel Ve off her back. She then revealed that within Zereth Mortis, she created a device that allows her to travel the cosmos, which led to her meeting Xolartios, who agreed to serve as her guide as they explored this new unknown."

anyway this is where ve'nari implies Brokers can breed https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Puzzling_Cryptogram_(quest)

unless it was from k'aresh

[deep pawn]

Xolartios if you don't remember is the enigmatic gent who gave us the Shadowlands transmog quest from the mount

[pulsar minnow]

I’m just glad they’re retroactively fixing up shadowlands. Obviously it shouldn’t have happened this way but at least it’s happening

Very smart move to make brokers and ethereals two sides of the same coin

[deep pawn]

I mean it's not really fixing. It makes sense why Brokers would just say they're from the in between

Souls means anima to farm.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean, we never had the broker patch and they were always left a confusing footnote in the story of shadowlands

So no

It is definitely fixing a part of shadowlands lore

[lavish raptor]

when are we getting drust content

[deep pawn]

It doesn't require a retcon to have them just lie about their origins

This isn't retconning eredar type stuff

[lone mantle]

Have you seen Pyromancer’s mental breakdown trying to decipher it?

[pulsar minnow]

I’m really not sure what your point is

They lied about their origins clearly

But they’re brokers that’s what they do

[tropic trail]

Ok so if Brokers are from K’aresh this is fun. What do they do in shadowlands 😹

[deep pawn]

You're saying fixing up, which to me requires actively retconning lore.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah so that’s taking what I said and running 10 meters with it

Plot hole in story. Plot hole filled. Hole fixed.

[deep pawn]

they aren't even two sides of the same coin.

They're the same thing

[tropic trail]

Yea it was actually satisfying to see that I’m not crazy 😆

[pulsar minnow]

That’s why the metaphor says same coin

Why are we arguing a metaphor

[tropic trail]

Ok so all of this new juicy content will be in next patch?

[deep pawn]

Cause to me that metaphor requires it being deliberately like Janus, two aspects of the exact same being, I don't feel that way about this reveal. It's just the same race in different armor.

And they may not even be dead? So they're just invaders to the Shadowlands.

[pulsar minnow]

So

Idk I like the change

I think it makes perfect sense

[deep pawn]

I mean it makes sense, but it still feels weak cause why the hell lie in their "canon book about the Shadowlands."

[tropic trail]

Ve’nari was collecting celestial relics which is suspicious to me.

[pulsar minnow]

Because brokers are incredibly secretive?

That’s a big part of their caricature

[deep pawn]

indeed, but Chronicles is always presented as not being secretive.

[pulsar minnow]

Chronicle was written by the titans man

Half of what they did was lie in it

[tropic trail]

Lmao or removed some pages 📃

[pulsar minnow]

Also- the Grimoire even says their race shunned their original name

They’re clearly not very big fans of their original race

[lone mantle]

Yes.

[deep pawn]

sorry, I was referring to Grimoire, forgot it had a special name only for the Shadowlands one.

[deep pawn]

I mean so did the Ethereals, I doubt they called themselves that before their transformation.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah. So that’s why I think they wouldn’t have mentioned K’aresh

I think they’re just ethereals who after the blast immediately split off

Or maybe got trapped in the shadowlands during the Big Bang or whatever you wanna call it

But now that brokers probably are coming back I’m VERY excited to see what happens with this cosmic conspiracy. Definitely still sitting on my theory that Azeroth is a First One

[tropic trail]

Hehe first one dominated by titans

[sullen dawn]

Exactly, its the not the name kf their race/culture

[deep pawn]

We've had lots of discussions in the wow reddit discord about Azeroth's origins and the Tauren Earthmother myths.

And the possibility that Beledar and other crystals are prisons for the shadow that attacked before the old gods.

[pulsar minnow]

I’ve been sitting on this since like shadowlands. Praying to all that is holy we get the reveal that the earthmother story is true and she was mother of An’she and Elune

It would explain why the events of Azeroth have Elune’s attention most of all

[deep pawn]

The particular myth wasn't added until Amirdrassil no?

[pulsar minnow]

Elun’ahir? Yeah. But in general Elune has always been more involved with Azeroth. Between Cenarius, Darkshore, the Night Warrior, etc..

[deep pawn]

No, I meant the Earthmother story about the ancient history of the Tauren.

[pulsar minnow]

Oh no

That’s like old old

Folk and Fairy Tales of Azeroth delved into it back in 2021

[deep pawn]

ah

https://www.wowhead.com/news/turbulent-timeways-dates-for-11-1-7-the-war-within-season-3-release-date-preview-376673

timeline as expected.

actually, 1 week faster than I expected

[sullen dawn]

I really think were gonna make february for midnight

Week after valentines ish

[rain cave]

asking xalatath to be my valentine

[deep pawn]

I mean s3 on 8/12 means story mode can be out before Gamescom

[worn crown]

I hope the Lorewalking stuff eventually put Sylvanas ("my queen!") and Ilidan ("I am my scars!") in it 🤩

I absolutely l-o-v-e we are heading into the Shadowlands to" meet the Brokers and gain access to Tazavesh" and meeting up Ve'nari !!!

"I am happy / Hope you are happy too" - this is a quote from Ashes to Ashes, a song by Bowie

[worn crown]

I hope this myth "makes it back", so to speak

It is great when "old" stuff getting mixed with new lore

[austere gazelle]

if we get a season 4*

[austere gazelle]

I always thought ( my personal theory ) that the Tauren were one of the first being created alongside the elements on Azeroth by Elune, An'she and the Earthmother, and that their corruption by the shadow as per the fairytale created Faceless one

[sullen dawn]

No way were getting s4

[deep pawn]

Schedule seems pretty set

Only thing I'm sad about is how close MoP and S3 are

[warm topaz]

i don't understand the complains about the new single button assistant

it's literally a win-win situation

[rain cave]

when/if azeroth takes some kind of avatar or face, it better be tauren or trollish

if she comes out looking like a human I'll be so mad

"I wish Azeroth looks like one of the native species instead of a human or dwarf"
monkey paw curls
Pandaren

[deep pawn]

Cause it's coded poorly so far

[warm topaz]

nono, they're not complaining about the feature being good or bad

they're complaining about the existence of the feature

[deep pawn]

I can see some fear it means Blizzard will simplify some specs

[lavish raptor]

no no

murloc

no wait

tortollan

[rain cave]

@lavish raptor pygmy

[lavish raptor]

pygmy but its giant

[little hound]

New Midsummer Cosmetics too.

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=244422/glazfuris-scythe-of-the-deep-chill

Deathwing's Mace too.

Ner'zhul's staff too? Nice

Aaaand Hunters, we getting Sylvanas's OG Bow

[lavish raptor]

ready to purge stratholme with my chest out

[thin warren]

You can do it

[lavish raptor]

looks like it skips the bulk of the dungeon straight to malgangrene

[lavish raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxu_uqHLw6U

this is what hell looks like btw

summoning lorewalker cho does reset the fight

[ionic terrace]

nice

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Boogily_Woogily/status/1918356091672641940?t=D2SK1UMegXKuS12GEjFAFA&s=33

Keith Riley Co (@Boogily_Woogily) on X

11.1.7 Faerin Questline Lore Clarification: Only splinter groups of the Defias, Scarlets, and Syndicate join the Red Dawn. Those organizations still exist. This is more about individuals changing organizations than entire organizations merging together.

X · May 2, 2025, 5:25 PM

[lavish raptor]

ok so low level DH doesn't have demon bite on the rotation helper and low level DK doesnt have rune strike on it

[steady current]

single-button rotation is so great for disable gamer or lazy people or new class learner

[lavish raptor]

As long as that class is above level 13

[dense plover]

i mean - it clearly needs some fixes

[upper pasture]

it's also PTR so they want broader testing before rolling it out for everyone. hence the purpose of PTR

[dense plover]

unlike the new children's day stuff, its clearly getting tested

[lavish raptor]

Tested? Yes. Fixed? We will seeeeeee

[quartz lintel]

future cosmetic store

[lavish raptor]

i wonder if they came up with the arthas questline first since the lore is pretty old, then they used the tech to craft the other quests

[zealous sedge]

Ashes to Ashes meta achieve is gonna have some Mage Tower achievements isn't it

[dense plover]

probably not

since it needs to be something you can still earn

meta achievements dont disappear once the expac finishes

you can still earn then after - theyre just typically a bit more difficult

it WILL likely involve stuff like the broken shore ships, the legion assaults, and argus events which are difficult to do solo

[lavish raptor]

You can earn A Tour of Towers tho

Would be one insane req tho esp if mage tower scaling doesn't get reworked

[deep pawn]

Are Darkmoon cards still making it a ton easier?

[fathom fulcrum]

chat

is this real

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=239136/stromgarde-tabard

no way they adding a stromgarde tabard after 30 years

[thin warren]

yes? the patch is not for nothing called "legen of Arathor" orsomething, so we go back to Arathi

[fathom fulcrum]

they should have added Stromgarde cosmetics back in BfA

just saying

[thin warren]

who cares

[fathom fulcrum]

me

[sullen dawn]

All sights on 11.2 now

I expect to see it announced witg trailer at xbox games show early next month, plus a "see you at gamescom message for midnight"

[thin warren]

exciting!

they should update their roadmap with more info

[sullen dawn]

They usually do that with major patch reveals right?

[thin warren]

ah, no idea, i don't keep a log of when they do that 😛

[sullen dawn]

As far as I remember thats right

[little hound]

Mounts that belong to this set are tagged as Trading Post. Armor probably is too

[silent urchin]

that can always be changed. A lot of the stuff they've put in has changed before it actually gets released

I think they tend to use trading post as a placeholder

it's not something we're meant to have seen, datamining is always subject to change

[deep pawn]

Imagine if that's Sylvanas's new armor as she hides herself on her return lol

[pulsar minnow]

From what it seems the armor is very much intended to be in the trading post. It was designed by the artist who made the sun and moon set and it seems like she was just given free reign to do whatever she wanted with the set

I really like the freedom they’re giving these artists

[dense plover]

actually, they do tend to flag store stuff as store

sometimes stuff gets changed

but thats uncommon

i would say its probably close to 1/30 datamined items, maybe 1/25

considering this set has 4 colors and matching mounts, its almost certainly trading post stuff

[steady current]

does these small sub rep later on from a expansion stay forever? i mean those nightfall public event loop every hour will occur forever? like 2years later when no one doing the event, and you will need to solo the event if want to lv this rep yrs later?

[upper pasture]

yes but there's also the 3 dailies you can do for rep too

they also buffed the rep gains so it takes half as much time as at launch

[steady current]

how abt the nightfall public event is weekly? is it worth to farm many times within a week

[upper pasture]

the rep can be earned again and again each time it's up, however it's half any addition time. and it's daily not weekly. only the quest for the token is weekly

[steady current]

those daily r acct-wide or character?

[upper pasture]

dailies can be done on each character but the rep is 100% for the first then 50% for any following character

[ember blaze]

sometimes it's best to do them when current. For example, if u wanna do the time thingy in valdrakken, it's impossible to get credit

because the final mob dies in 0.01 seconds and u never complete the quest

[upper pasture]

((in those cases you can make a group to increase your chances of getting the tag))

[ember blaze]

i just went warmode 💀

[upper pasture]

that is also a route that can be taken, but it's infinitely easier to just share the tag then fight over it

[steady current]

do i need to finish main campgin to unlock world quest in old expansion like DF or older?

[deep pawn]

yeah, World Quests are tied to finishing the levelling campaign on at least one character.

[warm topaz]

like Zelda and Sheik? lol

that would be fun

[lavish raptor]

uhhhhh

[austere gazelle]

Imagine if Goblin's origins are just ' trogg version ' of the elves and trolls ?

[steady current]

how many fight does it take from 1-25 for squirt day in garrison without battle bonus buff?

[harsh mason]

And why imagine if it really is? Only they had 2 cycles: they first got smarter because of Kajamit, created a Dragon Soul for Neltharion, and after the War of the Ancients they returned to their original state, and then they got smarter again (after the Zandalars enslaved them).

[harsh mason]

They'll just make it so that in 2 years you can get level 10 just by doing all the quests.

[steady current]

so if my goal is to farm skin/rep, most efficiency way is doing old content and wait new content become out-dated lol. then i dont need to run dozens times of same event to level

[sullen dawn]

I think there was some hint in 11.1 about kajamite having some fel relation?

Could be fel fused azerite made them smart. Also why theyre so chaotic, and green.... Also gives them a nice link to orcs

[harsh mason]

It works like this with almost any content.

The difference is that, for example, I will get level 10 in a month, and you in 2 years.🗿

[sullen dawn]

And me never

[upper pasture]

Cause playing the game is such a hassle 🙄

Like I get it if you don’t like the event but you can literally just do the three dailies, get the free gear and a chance at a mount. It would take you little over a month if you did just the quests, it would take you about half that time if you ran the event once a day too

[ember blaze]

do yall think wow would be better if they used lorewalker like in lost ark. He just sends you back in time for a bit to see major plot points in the story

then just quickly leveling you up to current

then just giving you a place to use your abilities before youre sent out

[upper pasture]

how much of "old content" do you skip in lost ark by doing this?

[ember blaze]

i dont remember

[upper pasture]

i think WoW has a good balance between doing old content versus getting to do new content when leveling so i think it's a fair balance rn

[ember blaze]

i just dont think being sent to a random expansion, knowing nothing about before and then being bombarded by a million quests is a good thing

although lost ark thing is just an alt skip, i do think it could work as a new player thing... in my opinion

[upper pasture]

but if it's like play for an hour to get to 70 to do tww that just makes it devalues all of the older content probably more than half of the player base wouldn't even touch older zones at that point

[ember blaze]

well that's no different than buying the expac and getting a lvl boost

[upper pasture]

i guess it solely depends on the player tho, some people are trying to minmax to the endgame some players are pplaying to experience the story, WoW has many paths to get to the current content

[ember blaze]

i just think there should be an evergreen/quick way to walk a new player through everything we did before

and then dropping them at what's current

like theyre signing up for whatever is new

the old stuff doesnt matter at that point

it's just a tedious leveling grind

afterwards they can just go back to old zones to quest if they want

[upper pasture]

tbf, they've been getting better at semi explaining some of the reasons why we got to where we got, like the recap at the beginning of TWW

but that's the thing, it's not really "tedious" leveling it's pretty quick.

[ember blaze]

for us

[upper pasture]

compared to where WoW started

this is nothing

[ember blaze]

but im just looking at these lorewalker quests and i think it could be a nice way to just go through all the major plot points

[upper pasture]

could be why they are making it

but for it to be a way to get to 1-70 in like an hour or 2? idk

[steady current]

is there a way to hide the chat window completely, and only visible when i press enter to type? i dont want to see text when i dont needed

[upper pasture]

i'd try #wow-help not the ptr channel

[lavish raptor]

atm Any advertisement of lorewalking as a leveling method is a statement by people who haven't tried to play the questline on leveling toons

[upper pasture]

noone is claiming that Tobi just is saying it should be considered as an alternative to the normal leveling routes, which i disagree with

[lavish raptor]

Nobody here is, true, im just wary after an article I saw

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wow-patch-11-1-7-will-add-a-new-story-focused-way-to-level-characters/1100-6531276/

[upper pasture]

just gamespot doing gamespot things

[broken kraken]

whats the point of this lore walking junk? seems dumb

[upper pasture]

Wdym? It’s another way for them to touch on stories that may other wise be buried in decades old content

[lavish raptor]

Real reason: refresh on more obscure quests + add new lore
Speculation: stuff for the interns to do to learn how the game engine works

[upper pasture]

It’s basically the “TLDR” version of whatever the subject of the lorewalking is

[lavish raptor]

So you dont have to play warcraft 3

[upper pasture]

Like the arthas one is TLDR W3

[broken kraken]

happy gilmore rule: play it as it lies, leave the old stuff be old.

is bad enough alot of vanilla quests got deleted in cata, now it seems like with lorewalking they only want to focus on retconned major campaign points and disregard everything else

[lavish raptor]

i mean half the lorewalking is literally replaying quests

[upper pasture]

It just makes it so you don’t have also do other irrelevant quests at the same time

[lavish raptor]

which is part of the reason why i ran into a bug that prevented further progress on the questline - it was a quest originally intended for lv45s and i had to click on a lv45 container on a non-lv45+

definitely a WIP lol

[upper pasture]

Naw, let them revamp the “important” quest lines. But they should never do what they did with cata and completely remove stuff. Which they said they know it was a mistake and they have no intention of doing again

I don’t expect newer players to go experience W3 but I would like them to know the a bit of it to better understand more of the lore and what better way than in game and not some 3rd party source

Plus it’s optional so, there if they want to or to be completely ignored.

[lavish raptor]

Yeah you get three toys for it, so unless you're a completionist its skippable content

[sullen dawn]

I would have liked that they made it a "feature"

In terms of a lore panel on the adventure guide

Could have ways to launch those quests and recaps plus nice visual gallery

And maybe books you've read can be collected there too

[lavish raptor]

honestly that sounds like added complexity to a system thats already the epitome of spaghetti code

[broken kraken]

since they aeem to be in the mood for breaking addons ie rotation helpers with this new coming rotation manager, and breaking weakauras with the cooldown one, why dont they make this lorewalking stuff like the immersion addon where it makes talking heads and the quest info parts of the quest log further expanded like you say with a flyout or pop out toggle panel that has explicitly detailed lore tidbits added for that specific quest and or histories of whats involved or why such quest should exist in the game world, ie: quest like kill x murlocs in elwynn/westfall for whatever reason, the added new flyout/popout could contain info on either murloc clans in the area and or their reasons for infesting the land, either for coexistence or hording of pearls etc whatever murlocs do. so new players possibly can also learn why such mob or whichever isnt just necessary for the quest but for the game in general.

such thing could also pull from relevant book/tomes in wow too like the ones from well read achievement

[lavish raptor]

people hate reading tho

[sullen dawn]

If they can do housing, they can do a lore page

[lavish raptor]

theres way more effort being put into developing housing than lorewalking

[sullen dawn]

I know im just saying its more than doable

[deep pawn]

Lorewalking is just their way to recap important lore

Like the hidden Sunwell one.

Like of course something happening to the Sunwell is what's causing Midnight

So learning what Arthas did to it, how it was restored with a Naaru, what happens when Alleria gets close.

All important recaps for Midnight

I still think it's gonna be a portal we jump through

[lavish raptor]

The real portal to K'aresh

[deep pawn]

To the void itself

The Sunwell is closely related to the Well of Eternity and we've had big bads try to come through both. Why not be a portal for the void.

[thin warren]

with a drop of voidblood

[deep pawn]

I think the dark heart will get dropped into it

I still don't know if it'll be Alleria or Anduin haha

That'd be a sick cinematic in August

[thin warren]

can't wait

it seems .7 will make up storywise for the lack of story in .5

[deep pawn]

Eh, I dunno

I guess they're setting up the Red Dawn to have a base in the plaguelands maybe

[thin warren]

well in .5 is no story, in .7 we have new stories and the lorewalking ones

[deep pawn]

We know the expansion is focused on Quel thalas but maybe we get Plaguelands

I personally thought we'd get Silvermoon city as a hub and quest zone and be a massive Suramar city

But it could just be our hub and then we need an extra launch zone, so Plaguelands alongside Eversong, Ghostlands, and Zul'aman

[uncut vault]

I think the red dawn is probably for longer term set-up than midnight

A lot of the faction stuff has been giving the message of “we’re focused on the big world ending threat right now, but the world is becoming a mess in the meantime”

[deep pawn]

You don't think they won't dare tie in what Garithos did?

Red Dawn could absolutely be a dungeon story as they're mad that once again a non human crisis is causing a world ending threat

[uncut vault]

Plus, the questline tells us that unlike the scarlets and defias involved who are offshoots of the main group, the Syndicate allied with Marran are the main group with a new leader

So Marran will likely flee to Alterac now that she’s deposed

[deep pawn]

Maybe, but Blizzard doesn't tend to spend an entire minor patch on something we won't resolve for 3-4 years

Cause when else will we return to Lordaeron after Midnight?

TLT is in Northrend

Part of the Legacy of Arathor is the Troll wars and the first Human and Elf alliance.

Who represents that more clearly than the Arathi?

There's no way Midnight doesn't feature the Amani after we know Xal has relatively recently visited them.

Marran being a simple human obviously doesn't rise to raid boss level, but dungeon? Absolutely

I just don't see all of Lordaeron being Midnight so I just don't know where it would end haha

[lavish raptor]

zul'aman m+???

[sullen dawn]

Ghostlands could also be part of eversong

Silvermoon City, Eversong Woods, Zul'Aman, Plaguelands (Lorderon now?)

Amani raid 12.0

Tirisfal with red dawn 12.1

Renalash war between light and void 12.2 (no idea of zone, dont think itll be exact repeat of tbc sunwell)

[deep pawn]

I think reclaiming the Sunwell feels like our 12.1

and 12.2 is inside the void where we finish the threat forever.

I really don't see the Red Dawn being raid worthy

Quel'danas reworked as a patch zone? Let's go

[sullen dawn]

Imo 12.1 will be the "break" patch, and i think they'll focus on light for that one

[glass fulcrum]

forced to do TBC dailies (exactly the same) all over again lmao

[sullen dawn]

So amami is 12.0 (void ties but not strict void), 12.1 bad light influence, 12.2 battle between light and void

[sullen dawn]

Yeh i just dont think they'll dona repeat

Sunwells inlmportsnt obviously but don't think it'll be a raid again

[glass fulcrum]

ngl I would love to hear how outland is doing rn lore wise, dark portal doesn't lead there anymore

[sullen dawn]

Apparently its just a few rocks in space now

[deep pawn]

I absolutely do, a ton of the appeal of Midnight is to see these zones in full modern glory.

TBC zones are the oldest ones in game

[sullen dawn]

That's not what im saying

I mean in terms of using silvermoon as the raid set piece, and doing similar story beats

Ofc the zones will be nostalgia paradise

I mean the plot and raid structure

I think itll be amani, bad humans, void/light showdown (with maybe a sunwell boss but wont be full sunwell raid)

[deep pawn]

Bad Humans would be such a weak plot.

[lavish raptor]

its very strange having current content quests go to outland and the environment not reflecting the state of things

[deep pawn]

I don't need a whole raid beating up red armored humans

Especially right after SoD just did it.

They're a dungeon boss at best.

Hell there's people who think Undermine is a distraction raid and doesn't fit besides being "underground"

[sullen dawn]

Not everyone plays classic

[sullen dawn]

I have a feeling blizz see the middle patch as the "tone shift" to break up the theme of the expansion now

[lavish raptor]

iirc they mentioned we will be fucking up in Midnight

[uncut vault]

They've never explained exactly how, but it does lead to Outland again

Saurfang walks through it off-screen during BfA to find Thrall

[deep pawn]

they can do a tone shift that isn't red armored humans with no real power or plot.

[lavish raptor]

theyre wearing yellow instead

"we have decided to combine forces with the Arathi Empire be the Orpiment Dawn"

[thin warren]

since the dastardly duos will take place a good chunk into july, does tha tmean .7 will release in july?

[deep pawn]

nah

[silent urchin]

june 17th is the expected date of the next patch, based off 8 week cadence

[deep pawn]

6 weeks from now

That said it appears that they're making 11.1.7 only 7 weeks, but I think that's just to get storymode out before Gamescom.

[silent urchin]

Afaik dasterdly duos is fully unlocked prior to that, so there's nothing new coming after 11.1.7 for it, it's just still available for a bit

[glass fulcrum]

I mean if nothing else we just have mage portals

not a big deal if they just nuke the dark portal at this point lol

[deep pawn]

The Dark Portal is the most iconic piece of art for WoW.

[uncut vault]

I'm still half expecting them to use it to have Yrel and the Lightbound come through eventually

turns golden this time instead of red, army of lightbound marches out lol

[warm topaz]

how portals work on the lore? do mages open them and thats it?

creating a portal between worlds sounds complicated

or to the Shadowlands

[deep pawn]

portals in lore are rare.

they're only opened when we need them technically.

[uncut vault]

the Shadowlands was supposed to be closing off after the xpac ended, but then Dragonflight had characters take casual jaunts back there like it's no big deal for personal endeavors lol

[zealous sedge]

I really want to see the other half of Silvermoon rebuilt

And the dead scar healed

The midnight reveal can’t come soon enough

[ember blaze]

i want org/stormwind updated

[warm topaz]

also, how Om'rajula, the Broker that appears in Lorewalking, went from the Shadowlands to Azeroth

questions that are too specific maybe but that i find very interesting

how Ve'nari knows that we're talking about her

is like Voldermort on HP that every time you say his name a death eater know it lol

[deep pawn]

Not the first Shadowlands Denizen to leave the Shadowlands

Brokers in particular were always known to source things from the mortal realms.

Draka went on missions to Legion controlled worlds in reality too.

they just hide usually.

[harsh mason]

I didn't see any hint of this in 11.1, but when I started playing wow in 2011, I kind of thought that this ore had something to do with nature lol.

But I think this ore was influenced by the well of eternity.

At least because everything like this has a similar effect on living beings.

[deep pawn]

All we know is for whatever reason Kajamite stabilized the void magic

Kajamite is a fuel source, nutrition, and an intelligence booster.

[cerulean patrol]

I miss the Druid Park

And...

They need to have Billy McClure be grown up now, lol!

[zealous sedge]

Why do I get the feeling this one button rotation thing is a precursor to them porting wow to console and having console only servers with simpler mechanics. Was just reading about some guy that strictly plays wow on controller as a hunter and is typically top 3 DPS in heroic raid.

[deep pawn]

People have speculated about console WoW for a generation now

You've been able to play WoW with a controller for a while now.

[rain cave]

WoW on xbox/ps5 would probably be something microsoft wants

like it's probably on the tier of "make this work, because we are 9/10 probably doing it"

[silent urchin]

Simplifying controls is like, the least important part of making a console version

[rain cave]

ehh I'd say it's a large part of the initial bump

[silent urchin]

There's a pretty well established standard for supporting plenty of buttons on controllers, ff14 has classes with 25+ buttons (plus all sorts of custom macros) already

[rain cave]

like if you can't physically play the game well, then the other adaptations won't matter

the rotation button thing is also just a general QOL for new players

which means they're ramping up their new player experience thing again

[lavish raptor]

The NPE is very muddled atm so if there's improvements I'll take them

maybe in the next version of exiles reach they wont teach shamans to use Primal Strike

[upper pasture]

improvements are always great but the NPE of today compared to say the NPE of WoD is leaps and bounds better

[lavish raptor]

oh im sure

I cant imagine NPE is easy to get right in a twenty year old game with a hundred different zones

[upper pasture]

exile's reach into chromie time is pretty "right" compared to the slog of having to do the expansions in order to get remotely close to doing content with friends

[lavish raptor]

I started playing again in BFA and the NPE was awful then

i was so confused on my first leveling toon when i had to suddenly worry about my ilvl to queue for WoD normals

[upper pasture]

just imagine getting dungeon quests and being in TBC and there's noone else leveling from 58-68 so you can't do the dungeons at all.

or better yet there IS a listing for a dungeon group but it's someone trying to sell runs

[lavish raptor]

I guess at least the game shuffles you into a general dungeon queue if your selected timeline has nobody else queuing for it

[upper pasture]

yes but back there there wasn't that feature

[lavish raptor]

I think Exiles Reach is good but from what ive noticed lot of "newcomers" are actually just long-time returners who expect the game to be like what they left it as, and are confused on why they're leveling too fast or they can't wrap their head around Chromie Time

Speaking of leveling characters, i wonder how much prep i should put into Lorewalking discussion on my Twink guide. I imagine a lot of the weird bugs with zone scaling will be fixed or non-issues by the time the patch drops. Guess i could write a draft.

[sullen dawn]

Its not so much anything to do with controller (high end player is very feasible with one), its more about their stance on addons not being needed for combat

As requiring addons is a big blocker for putting on console. Controller isnt

[deep pawn]

Plus add-ons not working as well with streaming set ups

And apparently streaming games may actually be happening, just on PC

[lavish raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlsU5tiHUF4 figured out the issue

[dense plover]

did you report it ingame?

[lavish raptor]

yep yep

[dense plover]

very good description

🔥 💯

[lavish raptor]

I have to take good notes on this stuff, I'm probably going to have to incorporate anything that gets sent to Live into my guide.

[glass fulcrum]

reminds me of the reverse issue where some death knight npcs in Icecrown would deal like 4 billion damage if you had chromie time enabled

[lavish raptor]

ah yes - there's a lot of mobs in Revendreth that do the same thing in live. They'll be standing right next to properly scaled mobs too.

[austere gazelle]

If a guild with disabilities managed to clean heroic raiding , you can play wow with a controller, dont wait for a one push button.

[rain cave]

silly mindset, and borderline a bit innapropriate to say :/

nah actually I'm calling that out that's like downright foul to say

[austere gazelle]

that's how you choose to take it. It's feat to be able to do it with disabilities, and most of the time it also open new way to play and control game because those players find workaround to be able to play despite their disabilities ( I don't know if I would be able to do it myself in the same state tbh ). So if they can do it in the current state of the game, valid player waiting for a one push button is just laziness

[austere gazelle]

And I'd pass your comment on that. I may have some disabilities myself.

[rain cave]

it comes off as if you're lessening people

WoW's controls are fairly simple the primary point of the rotation button is not to be a physical assistant it's to be a mental one

and it just feels bad taste to be saying it like that, people with disabilities don't play the game in SPITE of them. They are just playing the game, same as anyone else. Sure, playing with a missing finger, arm or sight would make it more challenging but definetly not in a way that allows you to use them as an example to tell people to "git gud"?

the button rotation thing is an accessibility tool, aimed probably at many groups of players so it feels wrong to use it as the butt of a comment to lessen people

[pulsar minnow]

The problem with wow on console is literally just a limited number of buttons. People with disabilities still can clear heroic because they have a whole keyboard of like 20 potential buttons to press with shift modifiers for each and every one. People on console have like 4 with two potential shift modifiers

And making everything a one button rotation and then slapping it on consoles just won’t feel good. Nobody wants to press one button then just turn their brain off

[rain cave]

doesn't FF14 do it though?

[rain cave]

also I think you underestimate how much you can bind with just that amount, as well as how complex WoW's core rotations are

like sure classes have a LOT of buttons, but if you wanted you could fit the core DPS rotation from most if not all classes onto a controller

and then have all the utility stuff on a selection wheel triggered by the D-pad or something

and even that then also gives you different wheels per D-pad press

could even do things like "auto activate Cooldowns", to further reduce the button presses but keep it more than 1 button

[silent urchin]

I think the way consoleport works is that all the shoulder buttons are modifier buttons, potentially in combination, so you can have A, R1 + A, R2 + A, L1 + A, L2 + A, R1 + L1 + A, or things like that

it gives you more than enough combinations

some perhaps a bit awkward but that also happens on keyboard tbh

[rain cave]

it's kind of awkward since people tend to think of shoulder buttons as attacks

and they're also easier to spam for things like that

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but for some classes with a shit ton more buttons like shaman, plus bags, character panel (granted they could just condense bags, adventure guide, character panel, etc…) it starts to get a bit iffy

[rain cave]

eh, I think shaman could do like "here's a totem summoning wheel"

[pulsar minnow]

I’m all for it I’m just saying that the one button rotation would feel terrible on console

[rain cave]

and bags/character panel all the UI could just be distilled into 1 menu

on the select or start button

in a way i think this is why they're doing hero talents since they very rarely add an active

and are relatively simple to understand

[lavish raptor]

https://polycade.com/products/standard-joystick-panel?

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t know what you’re trying to say with this

I think you’re confused with what I’ve been saying. I’m saying that the one button rotation is not an excuse to now port wow onto console. Pressing one button to have your character play itself will feel bad.

The current implementation of console controls on wow we have now is probably the best version of it so far, but what’s holding back its implementation into console is just the sheer amount of abilities that characters have

[lavish raptor]

Im making a joke

Probably would have hit better with a simpler joystick

🕹️

[pulsar minnow]

Mb then

[lavish raptor]

im a silly goose

[sullen dawn]

I play every spec in the game on controller just fine

[sullen dawn]

Its really not. Consoleport has a tonne of great features like utility rings

[rain cave]

yeah that's what I'm saying

it just takes a learning curve

it's not a physical one

[sullen dawn]

When I tried to play with kb and m recently I couldn't lol

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah it’s probably the mental. I’m too used to mouse and keyboard atp lol

[deep pawn]

Build tomorrow I guess

[deep pawn]

Can it be June 8th already

[ember blaze]

what we waiting on

[deep pawn]

Xbox game show, good shot that's our 11.2 preview

[zealous sedge]

I know this channel is usually pretty eager to hear about future patches but the hunger for more news (this includes myself btw) is kind of telling about how patches have been since 11.0.7. Not bad per se, but isn’t keeping me engaged enough to distract from what’s coming next.

[deep pawn]

Empty is apt

It doesn't feel connected to the story

[glass flicker]

A'ight, new topic of discussion. The Sunwell partially "cures" the Naga of their N'zoth affliction, turning them into Elf Mermaids. Yay or nay?

C'mon Midnight, give me something fun.

[deep pawn]

I'd prefer illusions

No snake form no thanks

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-gif-21416554

Elf Mermaids!

[upper pasture]

If anything I think midnight gives us anything I think it would be ethereals

[deep pawn]

Naga, elf tribe unification

Ethereals are 11.2 or never and I hope never

They don't fit Azeroth

[upper pasture]

They’ve been here for a long time

Granted they would be very limited with mog but the players have shown they are somewhat okay with that

[lavish raptor]

i think ethereals would be mostly in depth during midnight

[deep pawn]

Probably not since they are our 11.2 raid

[lavish raptor]

what datamining do people keep referring to anyway

[deep pawn]

My main issue with Ethereals is they have 0 stake in Azeroth

We're literally about to fight one of their biggest factions

If we couldn't get Kyrians and Fae, Ethereals don't fit as playable either

[lavish raptor]

what is the specific datamining tho

[upper pasture]

There was a single PvP tabard that looks ethereal

But I believe that’s it

[lavish raptor]

i found this

[upper pasture]

Denizens of the SLs are way different than ethereals tho

[lavish raptor]

i dont doubt an ethereal raid but i doubt that means they wont be involved in midnight

[upper pasture]

And not to mention that icon was the
ethereal trinket from palace no?

[lavish raptor]

yeah same icon

[upper pasture]

Which was the 11.0 raid

[lavish raptor]

i think this speculation is based off like the naming scheme of other items

i think the ethereal raid is likely but i don't think we're wrapping up that plot thread immediately 11.2, much like how i dont think we are going to an alien planet during the "we are underground" expac cos its too soon

[glass flicker]

Why would people wanna play as pure energy wrapped in toilet paper, anyway?

[upper pasture]

Idk, the same reason people play as worgen or a human

Player preference

[lavish raptor]

i like their voices

i think they'd be too difficult to make armor sets around tho

they dont got skin

[deep pawn]

The trinket icons got changed after the goblin raid and ethereal raid icons got datamined

[glass flicker]

In the case of "player preference" I'd like to be tall and muscular on a blood elf girl. Can't have that, can I?

[upper pasture]

Personally from the first time I saw them in karazhan I thought they were cool af

[lavish raptor]

i would like that too

[upper pasture]

Could of blizzard allowed it

[deep pawn]

My issue is the Ethereals don't have stakes in saving Azeroth, they don't live here even now, and half of them are about to try and destroy Azeroth with the Dark Heart.

[upper pasture]

You assume that. We could welcome in the peaceful ones and then bam they have a stake in keeping Azeroth together

We already know there’s two different factions of them

[lavish raptor]

speaking of which i hope they fix the issue with the unusable container in the next iteration of ptr within the etereal questline

i wanna do the rest of it

[deep pawn]

The Consortium was barely any better.

[glass flicker]

Ethereals are buttholes. :D
Except for my transmogrifier.

He's a rich bish.

[lavish raptor]

i think their concern with azeroth would be "oh shit theres a big lady in that planet that the void is trying to corrupt and i don't want someone like that messing with my business"

(literal business because they're businessmen)

[deep pawn]

I mean that could be used for anything, but it doesn't feel as genuine as someone who has no other choice but to live on Azeroth.

The Ethereals we've worked for haven't had much in the way of morals except money.

Which is true for the Brokers too except for the Enlightened.

[ember blaze]

same reason some ppl play an ugly panda or cow

u like what u like

[deep pawn]

Maybe they make the lore work right now, but currently I'd never trust an Ethereal to actually fight for Azeroth.

[upper pasture]

As it currently stands an ethereal is the only reason Xal doesn’t have the dark heart currently

[uncut vault]

These two items have icons named "pvp_11season3_d_01"

Meaning that, at least at 11.0 launch, they were intended for 11.2's seasonal theme

[lavish raptor]

guess that tracks

[upper pasture]

And tbf with tazavesh coming back in the M+ rotation ethereal presence is gonna be up

[lavish raptor]

did they confirm that yet

i mean if the s3 rotation is confirmed i need to know for twinking reasons kek

[deep pawn]

Yeah, but it's not cause of saving Azeroth.

Odds are they're gonna try to steal Azeroth's essence.

Plus we literally have the Ethereal teaser after LOU.

So the raid is Ethereal. I just hope it's them attacking Rootlands vs us attacking K'aresh.

[sullen dawn]

Like 5

[austere gazelle]

well my main guesses :

1 - a faction of the ethereals serves Dimensius now. ( after all, like on Azeroth, the void got some natives allies ), and they went to prevent Xalatath from suceeding, since the old gods tried to deny her something too and she actively tried to prevent nzoth from " building something " beneath Azeroth
2 - they dont serve dimensius, and want to prevent something ha^ppenning to Azeroth like Ka'resh 2.0. So they'll invade the Deepgrove which will be Xal main focus, and will try do destroy Elun'ahir or whatever is downthere, that is sucking the old god blood and is probably becoming something not quite nice. We will try to prevent them from destroying it, but at the same time, letting that thing alive will help Xal suceed in her plan. So whatever happen, we're fu****. The Ethereal raid will span both in Deepgrove and at the same time in the vicinity of Ka'resh, a bit like Antorus where you went on another world or ended up in the seat of the Pantheon
3- ??? unexpected turn of event

[sullen dawn]

Etehereals with dark heart could want it to summon dimensius or to suck azeroths world soul to get their mortal forms back or banish void from karesh

Depends how theyre aligned

There are like 5 or more ethereal factions (not even counting brokers)

[austere gazelle]

yeah and there is one that is void aligned, I think it was present in Argus near the SoT

[deep pawn]

Stuff in the next patch confirms that the Ethereum, the former ruling class of K'aresh became void creatures in seeking power to get revenge on Dimensius.

[sullen dawn]

I think 2 void aligned but ye

It'd be funny if ethereals used to be space goblins

Would make sense why theyre so business orientated and tie them even more nicely into 11.1 lmao

[harsh mason]

Azir will be the final boss

[deep pawn]

Hoping for some sort of news post at 1

[harsh mason]

So far, I'm assuming that Xal is unlikely to be the boss in the raid at all.

Neither in TWW, nor in other expansions

[ionic terrace]

just about the turbo boost it seems

[upper pasture]

hmm, they still haven't clarified if the requirements for purchasing the items is character specific or warband wide

[deep pawn]

its power, its char based

[pulsar minnow]

I feel Xal will be a boss but we won’t defeat her, she’ll actually win this expansion

[upper pasture]

we've known that since blizzcon

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah

That’s why I said that

I think she’ll be the endboss but we wont kill her- again, she’ll win

[deep pawn]

we might not even fight her

She might swoop in after we kill the head ethereal, grab the heart, and vanish

or Alleria picks up the heart and is mind controlled.

BfA timewalking testing, cool.

[silent urchin]

started yesterday apparently

realms are offline so build soon TM

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/legacy-of-arathor-1117-ptr-development-notes/2100905/4

oof

hmm

[deep pawn]

rip twinking even more. 😄

oh, the belt is testable

but its raid time

[silent urchin]

honestly timewalking was a really shit experience for a lot of people, bringing it back to being a real dungeon is good

if all you want to do is power level there are far ebtter ways

I do think they should drop the weekly down to 3 instead of 5, though

[upper pasture]

honestly at least 4, aren't like most of the do X weekly quests 3 or 4

[silent urchin]

delves this week was 5, which also sucks cause there's 4 bountiful a day and the non bountiful is entirely pointless

but a lot of the others are 3 or 4

[deep pawn]

weekly quests for champ gear just sucks.

[lavish raptor]

People say "RIP twinking" but theres no death knell unless they prevent xpoff people from queuing

Like my lv10 monk can full heal with a single Expel Harm

[harsh mason]

In fact, now timewalk will at least make a little sense as a group content. I mean, it's not good when the boss dies in 15 seconds.

[lavish raptor]

I dont buy these changes will affect the experience until i playtest them on my twink

They were definitely too easy before so i am open to making them harder (but theres also broken scaling in cata dungeons...)

[deep pawn]

my issue is 5 dungeons is too much for a random piece of champ loot

[harsh mason]

I don't think it will be more difficult, I think that now mobs and bosses won't die before you have time to press at least 3 buttons.

The best timewalking was in WoD time

[ionic terrace]

build out

[zealous sedge]

I’m guessing this is gonna be about housing mostly
https://www.wowhead.com/news/evolving-azeroth-blizzard-to-host-hour-long-panel-this-weekend-at-pax-east-376788

[silent urchin]

I think model has been datamined before but now it's attached to an overcharged delve achievement

Also new is Inarius' charger as an item, although again think the model got datamined last week

I'm not sure if they changed the rules or if it's just PTR weirdness, unlocked a whole bunch of faction locked appearances after logging in

Mostly BFA ones

horde ones when I main alliance

[upper pasture]

That’s been happening for awhile

Ever since the 11.0 mog quest stuff or whenever they added it

[silent urchin]

Sure but I didn't get these last week on PTR

I think they updated specific items to give both factions stuff

[ember blaze]

bard spec confirmed @deep pawn

[warm topaz]

when was Paul Kubit promoted to associate game director?

[deep pawn]

okay, so it's circlet in belt form

not crafting a belt.

it has no stamina though which is weird.

Here's some more effects

[deep pawn]

Blizzard needs to stop having titan/world soul magic be buffy

its just cruel teasing now

[silent urchin]

you can get ilvl upgrades for it too but no idea what the max ilvl will be

no stam is real weird, it's like 5% of your overall hp

the effects don't seem incredible

[deep pawn]

yeah, it needs stamina

[silent urchin]

it's probably still gonna be a net positive on sims but I don't like it so far

[tropic trail]

What’s that 👀

[deep pawn]

the discs you can put into your belt

[silent urchin]

you also seem to be able to just farm all the stuff on a t1 delve

so I dunno what the point even is

you can only choose one effect on the belt

at least at first

[ember blaze]

i do not want to drop my belt for this...

i already took a belt off vault + socketed it...

[deep pawn]

the effects are pretty strong

[ember blaze]

and no stam is dumb

[upper pasture]

Things to be considered, these could be rank one spell effects

[deep pawn]

Like if we assume the mastery one is the actual tuning, it's way over budget

[ember blaze]

oh boy, cant have a 0.1% dps ugprade mythic jastors off vendor, but we get another cyrces shoved for FREE that we're gonna be using till next season?

[deep pawn]

3540 average mastery is like double the secondary stats on a belt.

[upper pasture]

Heck, I’d trade a normal belt for a trinket like belt

[deep pawn]

For specs like Enhancement shaman that prefer secondaries to primary, it might be hard to replace.

[upper pasture]

But also didn’t they say these belts function differently in a delve and outside a delve

[deep pawn]

not that I'm aware?

[upper pasture]

So basically only good for delve enjoyers

[deep pawn]

there's a titan console inside delves with powers only there, but the post says nothing about the belt, just that its a reward.

[silent urchin]

the belt is the same everywhere

[deep pawn]

I mean like or not, Blizzard generally got good reviews for the Annulet and Circlet from more casual types

[silent urchin]

I think the extra powers are only in overcharged delves

which seems kinda pointless

[deep pawn]

you sure?

[silent urchin]

there's no console in a regular delve and I didn't notice any procs

[deep pawn]

if that's the case the notes should be a lot clearer.

if it's a delve only feature it feels pointless given the console exists

ptr broken for me, lol

fun error

[silent urchin]

These say ilvl 684 but at ilvl 688 my belt has them all significantly weaker - this is the mastery one

wait nvm I was in a fucking delve scaling me down to comedy low ilvl

[lavish raptor]

[silent urchin]

rotation helper is judging me

[upper pasture]

it's like "please, use shadowform. please"

[deep pawn]

If belt is delve only that's fine but I'd like a blue post explaining if it's supposed to be borrowed power or not

[silent urchin]

belt is everywhere, it's the special delve console that's only in overcharged delves as far as I can tell

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/AlterTimeSK/status/1920597019011244499

AlterTime (@AlterTimeSK) on X

⚠️ ¡EL DOBLAJE EN CASTELLANO HA VUELTO A WORLD OF WARCRAFT!

El parche 11.1.7 ya va reuniendo lo que NO estaba doblado de Minahonda en el 11.1 y todo lo nuevo que tiene que salir.

Aún hay cosas por añadir, pero es el proceso normal del RPP. 🎉🎉🎉

X · May 8, 2025, 9:49 PM

this is so fucking amazing btw

[dense plover]

Does the belt have a tree or is it sockets like the trinket from mechagon?

[dense plover]

Can you translate this?

Or summarize?

[warm topaz]

we didn't get dubbing to spanish in 11.1 and 11.1.5

[dense plover]

Ah

[warm topaz]

The voice actors and Microsoft were negotiating a clause in their contract to protect the actors from having their voices used to train AI. At first, Microsoft didn’t want to agree to it. But a month ago, they finally signed the agreement, and little by little, they’ve been adding the voices back.

it’s so fucking awful to log into the game and hear nothing

[deep pawn]

Didn't realize no Spanish dubbing had happened. Only Reznik was missing in English

[warm topaz]

yeah, since 11.0.5

[deep pawn]

And Mylton having a weird gnome voice

[silent urchin]

belt has 9 options, you pick one. Some of the options require you to go get them from specific delves, but you can do it on t1

Were the spanish voice actors also under SAG-AFTRA? I assume so, it's just real confusing what's actually been going on in that