beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

Orwenya if she's a primordial Troll is clearly very important

It wouldn't shock me if the Harronir are Azeroth's first people.

[dense plover]

i dont think theyre primordial trolls

i honestly think they might be something else

considering theyre not supposed to interact or contact mortals

i think they might be like 'life beings' or something

[deep pawn]

are they actually immortal? Interesting

[dense plover]

unclear

theyre weird

and they live a LONG fucking time

we know very little

[silent urchin]

They could be trolls. But trolls that date back 20k years or so and got empowered by Eonar to protect the roots

So about as far from current trolls as any of the other races descended from them

[austere gazelle]

The Sunwell, Metzen said it

[austere gazelle]

unlikely.
We know now almost for certain ( with some shady area ) that the roots are the roots of Elun'ahir
Those roots came from the Tree Eonar planted in Un'goro and that Aman'thul ripped out , but its roots remained and dig deeper and deeper ( to the pleasure of the old gods ' Deeper and Deeper it roots will reach, welcoming our embrace ' ie : bathing in their blood )
Those roots probably induced mutation to people around, under Elune and Life influence, and ended up creating guardian in the form of Harronir.

So these came after the black empire most likely

Now, why the ~~tree ~~ roots is important remains to be seen... But there is Elune shittery involved again in this

[deep pawn]

I guess that becomes a question on if you think the aqir are people or not. I suppose they must be but did we run into any at all in the Shadowlands?

I'll clarify to say the first people who weren't old god spawn.

[austere gazelle]

I'm convinced somehow that the sacrifice made back then to whatever being during the black empire destroyed the soul of the one sacrificed. And with the Unseeming existance, it's also possible that being bathing or using the blood of the old gods end up trapped in their death in the unseeming and not within the shadowlands

[deep pawn]

Unseeming being that alternate reality a quest explores?

[austere gazelle]

yes, apparently the thing that died there or that bathed in it are trapped within this .. stuff

It sound like Bloodborne insight that makes you see stuff you're not supposed to see when you got to much of it

But as you mentionned, I'm very curious about proto Azeroth before the black empire. It seems it was only occupied mostly by elemental being.
The coming of the Black Empire introduced the curse of flesh and turned some of these elemental being into " mortal / fleshy " creatures

[deep pawn]

Seems so. I always presumed trolls came from elementals and that's what Zandalari look slightly rocky.

But Harronir being very similar and very ancient throws a wrench in that.

[green moth]

oh wow, It really is required to do a lot of sidequests to ding lvl 80

I was just following the story and now the mobs are +4 levels

[austere gazelle]

well not sure... i reached 78 and was stuck on a quest that unbugged itself when I reached 80 with some side quest in hallowfall. But I still have a lots of side quests everywhere

[austere gazelle]

Not necessarily, Harronir looks like troll who were mutated by life magic and were influenced by different animalistic features, like if the roots they were close to saturated them with animal and life magic.
The same happened to the troll near the well of Eternity, but it seems they were shaped by Elune themselves instead... Or the Harronir are just the missing link between trolls and Night elves. some harronir reaching the surface and ending up near the well , and ended up finalising their mutation into night elves. that would explain their affinity with life magic too

[scarlet ridge]

very 'unusual' looking pet ha

[lone mantle]

[deep pawn]

It's possible all trolls have affinity to life magic given how many follow loa who are wild gods, the Harronir just remember their origins.

[austere gazelle]

yes, that too

[tropic trail]

how do I start the war within questline?

[clear apex]

If you're in beta, go to your faction city and talk to the giant Tauren in a suit

Your character should spawn right in front of him when you load in

[tropic trail]

i see and also it has to be a leveling server as I was on the max level one

[scarlet ridge]

just fished this

[tawny pelican]

dear guys hope you're doing all well !!! Can someone recommand a good youtuber who's talking about the Beta of the comming expansion ? wanna check if it worth to comeback to WoW

[candid ruin]

when and why did you leave

[tawny pelican]

I played from end of Vanilla till end of BFA, didn't played Shadowlands! Cameback quickly in Dragonflight but I didn't understood new features introduced in Shadowlands, I decided to quit.
The new clear roadmap with the new dwarf playable in Horde, hyped me somehow but still wondering if it's worth

[tepid fiber]

Worth is subjective

[candid ruin]

TWW will play just like Dragonflight but with (hopefully) a better story, the only system that is kinda rough to learn is the new upgrade system but everything else is pretty straightforward

[ionic terrace]

Huh

[upper pasture]

(I didn’t have a problem with DFs story)

[tepid fiber]

Yeah same

In fact it was critically acclaimed in comparison

[dense plover]

huh

new beta build

lol

[silent urchin]

client only, servers been up the whole time

[silent urchin]

there's a lot of level 80 gear that rolls a random affix, but either rolls two random affixes or had stats to begin with

so you get twice the secondaries

rather op

[deep pawn]

@dense plover They turned on end game delve testing

oof

only 1-3 for the first two weeks of the expansion

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/feedback-delves-1875388

interesting, after 4 there's a "fail" mechanic

[silent urchin]

you wouldn't be doing much higher than 3 without better gear anyway

not with the current tuning

I dunno what they mean by "people with good gear will start at t2/3"

certainly not by 80

curios also aren't working on level up realms but I dunno if that's a seasonal thing

[deep pawn]

gonna try one as bear

t4 says 548 ilvl

seems like curios don't work on 11 either

So Brann can be knocked unconcious

got no rewards

and leaving a delve is weird

oh

hearthing from a delve messes you up

[silent urchin]

Well I'm at 560 ilvl and get the shit kicked out of me on t2 delves

so

admittedly shadow is just a terrible spec for these

and questing in general

[deep pawn]

+4 wasn't bad at 611, I'm presuming it was doing extra damage cause I was in tank spec

[silent urchin]

outside of cooldowns you do basically zero damage

[deep pawn]

So I did the abyss first

killed the boss, but brann's ai was stupid as hell

he was knocked unconcious as the boss died which may have bugged the loot

there was no loot at the end that I could see

and hearthing spawned me over the ocean east of Vashj'ir

leaving a delve should port you to the entrance

[silent urchin]

611 is like.. heroic raid ilvl or something

if that was struggling with t4 delves then..

[deep pawn]

it wasn't struggling at all

Brann's crappy AI in the water was worse than anything

[silent urchin]

yeah brann is pretty ass

gets stuck on walls even in dry delves

only ever drops the campfire in combat

most of his abilities seem to not really do much at all

[warm topaz]

have you tried the undewater one?

im so curious about that one

looks so cool

[silent urchin]

yes, it's pretty similar to others except more annoying

[deep pawn]

haha, I was doing this with caster weapon on haha

[scarlet ridge]

I have awoken him 🙂

[deep pawn]

okay, there's the leave bot

The ab yss just bugged out

got a enchanting recipe

server may have crashed

[livid walrus]

how?

[scarlet ridge]

magic 😄

[livid walrus]

and for real? ;p

[scarlet ridge]

yes

[livid walrus]

...

[scarlet ridge]

just wrote a short guide for it

Caesper the Lynx - Hallowfall

1. Speak to Torran Dellain in Dunelle's Kindness and purchase 1 x Meaty Haunt (Unique)
2. Travel to Caesper the Lynx at Mereldar, and with the haunch in your inventory it will give you a dialogue option to feed him, upon feeding him follow him and he will lead you to a treasure.
3. You'll recieve [Recipe: Exquisitely Eviscerated Muscle] "even the bitterest lynxes can hardly resist a dist as delectable as this" as well as 2 servings of the dish.

[livid walrus]

ty!

[scarlet ridge]

You're welcome

I like solving things, I solved Otto

[livid walrus]

oh nice!

[silent urchin]

servers definitely not happy

[deep pawn]

we're probably creating too many instances

the gold piles being 1 copper is funny

Done up to level 6 so far

[wintry yew]

Can you do delves in parties?

[deep pawn]

yep

up to a few at least

[austere gazelle]

Thrall is featured on the game jacket but he's awfully absent from all the leveling zone

unless he's there for the Horde players?

[deep pawn]

He shows up at the end with Jaina.

They left to go get reinforcements

damn it, can't go to Valdrakken on 11, I wanted to clear my vault so I could see what was dropping for doing delves

[tawny pelican]

I think what it was pretty not understandable or at least didn't find a clear support on that, is the crafting system with its auction house

[deep pawn]

so delves seem fine, maybe they'll be more interesting at the highest levels.

[tepid fiber]

Odd--I found reading the quests, tooltips, and tutorials to be more than enough. I rarely needed to check a wowhead guide for any of it, and even then it just verified what I already knew from what the game explained

[deep pawn]

let's try one more

[tepid fiber]

I felt that it was more straightforward than professions in the past

[deep pawn]

got a warbound trinket, neat

warband bank is super bugged eh?

I'll give delves one point of credit, they seem to be where they are testing possible future dungeon mechanics that would be seen as too complex right now

[tawny pelican]

I feel dumb now

[deep pawn]

The tutorials can be missed but they did try their best to explain workorders

The work order tutorial was the end of Ohnaran Plains I believe

[tepid fiber]

And there was another one in Valdrakken in the off chance you missed it that explained the system more

From the same NPC who gives the work orders weekly iirc

[fossil vine]

Hey, for anyone who's played the beta, what's the consensus on delves so far? Are they fun ? Better/worse then torghast?

[uncut lintel]

im weird but has anyone gotten a new gryphon mount yet in tww? im sure theres new ones yea? are the animations for non dragon flying stiff or they actually updated? im weird again

or can u not get mounts in beta

[dense plover]

theyre not similar to torghast at all

theyre not random - each delve essentially has 3 variants of similar mob groups

so for example, theres a delve in ringing deeps that has 2 different ways it can be kobolds and one in which its skardyn

the activity in the delve changes slightly for each of those but is generally the same

and the room layout is always the same

delves also reward gear, gold, and resonant crystals (the currency for buying items unlocked from renown)

i like delves - i think they could use a LOT more variety

i think people are gonna burn out on delves about 6 weeks or so into S1

i think they need more activity and mob variety and im willing to bet the endgame testers say the same

[deep pawn]

they fixed curios, woo

sucks I can't send this warbound trinket anywhere

hah, reset my Brann to 10

+8 delves give hero crests

[dense plover]

what about +7?

[zealous sedge]

Hero crests are a step below gilded?

[deep pawn]

I'm just gonna call them lfr, normal, hero, and myth crests

cleared a +9. I wish I had trove keys to know what real loot was

4 drops lfr, 5, 6, 7 are normal

I wish I could clear my great vault to see what these are giving

oh, +10 delves set your ilvl to 610, interesting

That may be all delves

[dusk dagger]

anyone got a link to all working beta addons

[deep pawn]

Ironically the +10 was easier than the +9 I did because I had more OP buffs

[silent urchin]

yeah, some are real good

whatever that one that gives you a bunch of hp and secondaries is wild

as long as you don't drop hp and lose it

[deep pawn]

yeah, which is easy as a tank

that's the cursed potion

I'll be a good boy and copy a bunch of characters over to the ptr

I'm probably the perfect person

I've had like 10 different mains over the course the game from Vanilla to now?

Merging my crap will be a disaster

[upper pasture]

yeah, ill probably port over my 56 characters and let them mess with all that data.

[deep pawn]

hmm, seems like I already had some chars from old ptrs

I think I have enough on there to stress it

Every char I've done relevant rep work on at least

[tulip sun]

We have more factions NPCs in the files- Tinkmaster Overspark, Tahu Sagewind, Ji Firepaw, High Warlord Volrath, Gila Crosswires, Champion Uru'zin, Captain Tread Sparknozzle, Tandred Proudmoore, Brother Pike, and Aponi Brightmane

[uncut lintel]

: O delves give crests?

[deep pawn]

yes

only 2 per

[dense plover]

you should remove them

you want to be able to see what stuff is missing

so you want to be able to compare to live

[deep pawn]

they haven't done the warband transition yet

they told us to copy the charactes

I did exactly as asked by the devs

[silent urchin]

this bug with stuff rolling affixes despite having stats already is silly

[dense plover]

woah wait

glyph hunter has a mount?

thats awesome!

[dense plover]

holy fuck

[deep pawn]

account wide delve progress is working properly

opening them has gotten laggy as hell though

they're too hard solo priest, that sucks

[silent urchin]

found this, does absolutely nothing after turning it in to the stage manager

doesn't even seem to be achievement related

[deep pawn]

I don't know if tanks are just not getting hit hard enough or what, but they for sure have it easiest in delves

[vast thunder]

is there any word on pre-patch events?

[dense plover]

well - theyre not class agnostic

tanks have worse dps

theyre not scenarios

tanks shouldnt get hit harder because theyre tanks

thats not fair

[deep pawn]

I was figuring it was going off Torghast rules

and horrific visions

[dense plover]

its not

its essentially dungeon type

[deep pawn]

it should then, tanks should not have an easier time solo than dps/healers

[dense plover]

they dont

tanks have shit dps

[deep pawn]

not that shit

[dense plover]

higher tiers take longer which means more chances to get hit

[deep pawn]

Plus they can run Brann as dps which means he helps that way

[dense plover]

how many delves have you run?

at what tier?

[deep pawn]

10 so far, highest at a +10

the +10 was an absolute joke as a 600 ilvl tank

[dense plover]

what class

[deep pawn]

Druid

[dense plover]

ok - so high tiers arent balanced for high ilvl

they dont scale gear normally

[deep pawn]

they literally have you scaled to 600 ilvl

[dense plover]

yes thats what im saying

on the leveling realms delves hurt

because its YOUR gear

[deep pawn]

every delve level is set to a different ilvl

[dense plover]

yes

[deep pawn]

I mean for testing

[dense plover]

but idk how youre supposed to get ilvl 600

level 80 is like ilvl 550

but either way, it should scale stronger

[deep pawn]

you're gonna have 597 ilvl loot week 1 of the season cause of daily m0 lockouts

[dense plover]

10 is supposed to be challenging

anything above 8 is supposed to really make you try

how do dps do on tier 10 at ilvl 600?

[deep pawn]

okay, then they're going to have to make it hit harder for tanks than it is.

[deep pawn]

I was getting 2 shot sometimes in +8s on a mage

[dense plover]

ok then yeah they need to do what they did with torghast

it was bad in earlier builds for tanks

i was 20 ilvls above the recommended amount and was regularly getting 1 shot

[deep pawn]

+8s are meant to be for 600+ adventurers.

you're set to 600 for them

that or brann's potions need a major buff

[silent urchin]

They seem to scale quite a bit when he levels

but the leveling is.. odd

I think he caps at 10 for now?

[deep pawn]

nah, he can hit 11

[dense plover]

they do

theyre terrible

he cant even heal himself

[silent urchin]

Yeah. I think curios might help a lot, especially by rank 4

also he has

that's a huge buff eventually

[dense plover]

do curios actually work now?

[silent urchin]

no

[deep pawn]

yes

one of the bosses, Kriegval's Rest picks you up, stuns you and throws you

it cannot be dodged and it is liveable as a tank, not as a dps

lust should reset

nope, can't do it

this is a boss I soloed on a 10 as druid

ah, my bad, 10s set you to 610

not that big of a difference given how much harder things in 10s hit for

I feel like any 600 ilvl should be able to solo a +8 relatively easily if they're not braindead at their spec

[dense plover]

this one breaks the boss sometimes

the candle drops and then the boss resets

[deep pawn]

it didn't reset

it just is damage you can't avoid and then he does an aoe after

if anything dropping the candle is a plus

it doesn't wear out that way

[dense plover]

oh yeah that too

its bad

i hate it

[deep pawn]

waterworks crashed

lol

trying protadin now, tanks just have it easier

my tanks are doing the same dps as dps specs

[scarlet ridge]

I'm having lots of fun with fishing, some huge changes which are brilliant

school variation, buffs and debuffs from catching/releasing certain fish, items you can fish up, etc

[deep pawn]

there's all the delves done at least once

healers lack the dps to clear easily, dps too squishy, tanks still get chunked, but usually have the survivability

[dense plover]

i think some of the buffs are too common still

also some of the fish are listed as rare or uncommon but are more common than common fish

[scarlet ridge]

I like the cursed fish to hopefully combat bots and I've also fished up a few other items too which I've reported as bug

[dense plover]

such as?

[deep pawn]

I'm excited for m+ testing today

[scarlet ridge]

high lvl gear drops etc

[dense plover]

Might not be a bug if you’re high skill

[scarlet ridge]

Nevermind won't let me, I fished the item at skill level 84, so not very high skill

Love these little games

[tropic trail]

Wow that quest frame looks cool

[tender sand]

Burning Steppes

[hazy kettle]

What the heck?

[tender sand]

SOD - next PVP zone?

[hazy kettle]

Ohhhhhhh, it's on the PTR? That would make sense, I got confused since this channel had beta in front of it. '- '

[sleek zealot]

so, the warband is limited to only 4 characters?

[scarlet ridge]

Anyone reached rank 12 yet with Arathi?

[scarlet ridge]

warband is fully account wide, the '4' you see on the character screen are just your 4 most used

[sleek zealot]

aah I see. so it's just for "display purpouses" basically. thanks

[deep pawn]

Is server based on ptr and beta still.

[elder seal]

I'm assuming you cant make tickets during beta?

I was hoping to get in contact with one of the blues for one specific reason but cant seem to be able to make a ticket. not a bug report but inquiry of sorts.

nvm im blind.
EDIT: the support page seems to be on endless load loop tho

And tbh nowadays when Blizz forces you to go through specific issues i really cant make a ticket with right topic.

[scarlet ridge]

what's the reason/issue? if you don't mind me asking

[hazy kettle]

Wait, can you source this? My understanding from earlier Blue-Posts was that you can change which characters are in your Warband, consisting of those 4 characters, and that certain resources like badges (timewarped for example) become account-wide.

[scarlet ridge]

https://youtu.be/Ou7MRp56Jms Here you go WoW's official channel

[silent urchin]

The new Warbands system being introduced in The War Within will encompass all of the characters on a player’s Battle.net account as well as the items, collections, and progression they share.

first line in https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24061008/the-war-within-warbands-preview

[deep pawn]

it's not 4 most used either anymore

it's 4 you select on top

[upper pasture]

it was always the four you selected??

[deep pawn]

some people say "most used" as if the top 4 are automatically picked

[hazy kettle]

Ahhhhhhh, okay. I mistook warband for the 4 characters you select.

I get it, it's just account-wide under a different term.

[mossy meteor]

has anyone figured out what this is

[hazy kettle]

Tyvm for the explanation fellas.

[upper pasture]

yup and a fancy login screen

[mossy meteor]

it says i dont meed the requirements

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna guess it's gonna remain server based cause a list of 60+ characters would be a lot.

the select screen at least

[upper pasture]

i don't think so

[silent urchin]

everything on the wow account, regardless of server. So anything up to 65 atm.

If you have multiple wow accounts on the same bnet account you can't see those, but they're still part of the warband system

[mossy meteor]

dropped by nerubian mobs during a specific campaign quest

not a common drop but i got it 4 times

[silent urchin]

never saw it myself

[scarlet ridge]

I've looted it, but needed to log, I also got this hang on

oh wait I posted it already the chicken egg thing, needs renown 12 with Arathi to start it

I'll take a look @ the invitation when I'm next online

[deep pawn]

Just saying they haven't turned that on yet, but maybe they will.

oh, they did release preliminary prepatch notes eh?

[upper pasture]

you can see it if you create/copy over a bunch of characters on the PTR/beta servers

[deep pawn]

I have...

[clear apex]

Is it the 11.0 ptr that is needed for the copy characters for warband thing

[deep pawn]

yeah

[deep pawn]

m+ testing is broken

they didn't update the vendor

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex3XIFgoESo

we don't see much of Ion and Holly together, i love it

[scarlet ridge]

thanks for posting 🙂

[warm topaz]

nothing new there, quite focused on new xbox players who didn't know WoW

[scarlet ridge]

oh right I'll close it then and go back to finding and solving things on beta

[warm topaz]

wait, Ion said something:

"And there are in-game, on the live World of Warcraft servers, prologue questilines that are going to keep ramping up in intensity over the course of the coming weeks until August 26"

he means the one we have now with Alleria and Khadgar, a new one? or just prepatch

[signal bone]

where do I download the beta version of WAs? The one here throws constant errors:

https://addons.wago.io/addons/weakauras/versions?stability=stable

[harsh wedge]

might wanna try on the tww section in wago https://wago.io/the-war-within-weakauras

[green moth]

They're asking for the addon itself, not about imports

[green moth]

Get the latest Alpha version:

• Download from Wago AddOns.
• Or download from Curseforge.
• Or set the Release Type to Alpha in your AddOn Manager: https://i.imgur.com/EibJgTl.png

[warm topaz]

wait, John Hight is leaving Blizzard

https://x.com/JHight_Gamer/status/1801330355204722933

John Hight (@JHight_Gamer) on X

After 12 incredible years at Blizzard, I’ve decided to step away & start a new quest.

It was a tough decision, but I feel like now is as good a time as any: Warcraft is in an amazing position as the universe turns 30.

I’ve been so honored to serve all of the heroes of Azeroth.

Twitter · Jun 13, 2024, 7:06 PM

[dusk dagger]

Anyone got a link to actual working WA?
The one i dloaded lodas in game but the auras just dont function right

oh nvmind

[pulsar minnow]

D:

[deep pawn]

I'm officially against the new +4 affixes

I was before, even more testing it

[warm topaz]

why? hahahaha

[tepid fiber]

I'd be more surprised if Kyle wasn't against something tbf

[upper pasture]

Tbf these new affixes don’t look very fun and don’t seem like they are gonna promote bringing any class for the “hardcore” players

[deep pawn]

Just the way it works

Attuned is every mob with a mana bar.

Exactly as it read despite some people saying it wouldn't

Fort Attuned mini bosses that can't get kicked should not exist

Reckless will be hell on tanks cause it's gonna be 70% of the dungeon

[cosmic beacon]

anyone been on beta and found where to get Gilded Harbinger Crests for crafting

or if theyre even available from a vendor

[dense plover]

somewhere in dornogal

ive seen it before

cant remember where

[cosmic beacon]

can u go to dornogal on the these go to eleven server?

[dense plover]

i have no idea

these go to eleven isnt for crafting testing

[cosmic beacon]

seems like u cant

[dense plover]

so idk why they would have them available

[cosmic beacon]

was wanting to min max crafted gear

for raid and M+

[dense plover]

these go to eleven isnt for that

its for testing the actual content

which im pretty sure scales you anyway

[cosmic beacon]

figured it might be somewhere since the enchanting versions are sold from one of the vendors, just u cant get access to the base crest

[deep pawn]

it's for partially testing crafting too

at least the actual recipes and stuff

[deep pawn]

The horror

They all have mana lol

the blue glow is attuned haha

[silent urchin]

Apparently there's also a really nasty uninterruptible aoe on some of them that also has a damage amp debuff?

[deep pawn]

This trash requires stops of some sort.

Incap roar, shockwave, etc

[deep pawn]

oof, there's a way to consistently crash beta zones

[silent urchin]

I heard that assassination/death rogues were screwing up instance servers earlier

Also max level campaign seems to be unblocked now, the titan console works

[deep pawn]

there's a tank trinket that scales weird with something and creates shields that go above the integer cap

it crashes everyone in sight of you

[silent urchin]

Found (most) of these, and more. Once you start the max level campaign the horde and alliance forces actually land at the beach SW of dornogal, start setting up stuff and training earthern and so on.

[silent urchin]

I like how they added arachnophobia mode but then also add a bunch of body horror quests that are gonna make people uncomfortable anyway

[tulip sun]

I figured thats where they'd be- in the quest with Geyarah/Turalyon overlooking training of earthen troops.

[dusk dagger]

that hero tree is so scuffed 😄

[deep pawn]

Tanks can do it whenever

[tepid fiber]

And makes them which are just spiders with extra steps

[elder seal]

NPC dungeons for current story dungeons are not enabled atm right?

actually nvm

seems i can take rookery screenshots in peace!

[elder seal]

Honest thoughts on followers in dungs atm. they do way too much dmg atm. dunno if intentional or not

i can literally do nothing and they do all the works

[deep pawn]

Maybe they heard the feedback they were useless in df

[elder seal]

I did follower dungeons only once while i was screenshotting through content so i was personally already overgeared for them when i first tried them during DF

[deep pawn]

Anyone know what affixes they're testing today?

[elder seal]

This is interesting. bug report it is 😂

stupid question but how i can do bug report when i dont have anything targettable.

support page just keeps loading and the bug report button focuses on AI followers during dungeons

[dense plover]

Press F6 on the delve title on the right side

[tropic trail]

What’s these chains? ⛓️

[dense plover]

Dungeon title excuse me

I assume this is a camera angle makes everything transparent bug

[elder seal]

Oh thanks peach, yeah found it

yeah seems like that dynamic windtunnel infront of this instance is the issue

[deep pawn]

I'm glad they acknowledged that delves need class by class balancing. And yay for Brann buffs

[dense plover]

Those are unfortunately really common at this step in development before they add hard locks on terrain view ability

[dense plover]

Oh weird that’s new

[elder seal]

If i click on that dynamic wind tunnel everything is visible

for a sec

then it goes back to above

wish i had that tool to make gifs fast so it would be easier to explain this but yeah its start of the rookery so shouldnt take too long to test that out if you want to do so yourself. pushing a report anyhow

it works just fine when youre inside so it only happens while youre outside of that building

effect looks something like this from inside

[worn crown]

I understand that (people may not like), but I love it horror vibes in WoW

[deep pawn]

haha Ceaseless Swarmgland has a graphic attached to it now

It's a bunch of these tiny suckers

[elder seal]

Finally covered all of the currently doable Main quests on Beta for the Dorn part of introduction campaign.

Hopefully there will be less congestion in Ringing Deeps so i dont need to pause every day

[elder seal]

Yeah keep that thing away from me, whatever you are

[elder seal]

huh, no new voicelines for Magni yet?

he still uses the old original Ironforge dialogue after ringing deeps bit huh

[elder seal]

PTR being PTR i suppose huh lol

"checks the NPC from WoWhead"
||https://wowhead.com/npc=213116||
Thanks for spoiling game / database

[elder seal]

hmm cannot you use stealth in harrowfall?

seems after i moved from that starter area i havent been able to stealth since then

ah seems like after i empowered the keyflame it works again. was about to go nuts

I'd assume that is still not intentional.

[elder seal]

Oof finally got to the bit where the crystal becomes ||void|| in harrowfall. So much for the good light with screenshots xD

Nobody deserves this!

[elder seal]

Question on beta players btw. How lengthy Harrowfall (main campaign only not max) is in comparison to other zone campaigns? I was thinking of taking small breather and doing rest later. But if it's long as the earlier 2 I might take a longer break

[tulip sun]

I think they're all relatively short. I did them quick- bur I only did main quests

[elder seal]

I could always rush them but that is not the intention. Taking screenshots for every npc and quests while at it. That's why it's going slowly. Only checking side quests later cause of that heh.

[tropic trail]

So you finish the quest and whole zone turns to void and stays like that for the rest of the game?

[gloomy tangle]

It rotates every few hours

[austere gazelle]

No the quests goal is to turn back to light - twice I think - after that it's stay light but turn to dark every even hours for 30 min

[tropic trail]

Nice

If it stayed dark all the time it would feel a bit depressing so it’s good they did it that way

And that zone is so damn beautiful 😻

[silent urchin]

There are certain areas in hallowfall that block stealth, but it shouldn't affect the majority of the zone

afaik it's mostly meant to be the farm in the north east with high level daily stuff

[dusk dagger]

anyone got link to working dps meters

for beta

nvmind

[livid walrus]

on beta .. (level 80 realm)

F pvp

[dense plover]

its gonna get a totally new menu

this menu is too big and not extendable

i wouldnt be surprised if it goes top down instead of left to right

[pulsar minnow]

Didn’t they already say they were removing the PvP slot

https://www.wowhead.com/news/great-vault-changes-in-the-war-within-pvp-removed-world-content-added-335908#:~:text=In the WoW Deep Dive,World Content Great Vault Row.

Yeah

They just get more conquest now to spend on gear

[cosmic beacon]

Just the conquest gains aren’t enough

Needs to be buffed more or reduce cost of items

It’s still like 8-11 weeks or something to get full conquest gear

[upper pasture]

we knew they were removing the PvP choices in great vault for like a year now

[deep pawn]

Only since Blizzcon so 7 months

I swear Blizzard didn't internally test these new affixes at all or thorned wouldn't launch the way it did.

3s icd per mob you're attacking so dot classes are triggering it on CD for massive damage

Also if you can reset combat on the pack it loses the affix entirely

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228750893533499532/1251633640811794554/image.png?ex=666f4a2a&is=666df8aa&hm=4e7ceeb9954b2842e23d6d8ff27da3be02e3c64c9354865f78eebe7c695b6c27&

That's an absurd amount of damage for an affix on +6

[scarlet ridge]

wooo

[dense plover]

why would you grind that mount on beta?

now you'll have to do it again on live

[scarlet ridge]

because I like doing things 😄

[dense plover]

i guess someone has to make sure it works

can it fly?

[scarlet ridge]

only took 3 hours, and no it can't

[dense plover]

damn

[scarlet ridge]

ground 100%, swim 100%

[dense plover]

oh - so at least it does ground

weird it cant fly tbh

[scarlet ridge]

it's not the right mount though

[dense plover]

i would recommend reporting it as a bug just in case

[dense plover]

there are other flying fish mounts

[scarlet ridge]

yeah I've reported it just in-case

doesn't show up as it should in journal either

[dense plover]

oh weird

[scarlet ridge]

Should be Kah, Legend of the Deep

it should fly but maybe normal flying, I'll go to stormwind to check

just isn't a sky riding mount

[dense plover]

oh thats weirder

ok

yeah bug for sure

[upper pasture]

i was being overly fictitious, but still yeah 7+ months. it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone at this point

[deep pawn]

I believe that was explicitly called out that fish mounts won't Skyride

[dense plover]

where?

[deep pawn]

Their skyriding preview

[dense plover]

literally works

thats the only other actual flying fish mount i know of

[deep pawn]

Hmm, second

[dense plover]

whats the other one?

ill check

[deep pawn]

I meant a second, it says some fish mounts

The otherworldly ottuk, some fish mounts, and brooms are not enabled

[deep pawn]

Maybe they made them work based on complaints

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24104275/take-to-the-skies-with-skyriding

[dense plover]

this one seems to be accurate - cant check

they gave the projectors a subtle spell effect that shows them actually projecting

that was one of the things i gave feedback on

you can see it as these rays underneath - they rotate in a circle

they finally fixed the renown redoing unlocks every time you relog

[dense plover]

they added drogbar!

niffen too

[elder seal]

I just got all campaign screenshots done up to end of Harrowfall. Not starting Nerub tonight. Else i'll burn

While doing them i noticed few inconsistences which i ended up reporting. Alleria bow changes to her old one during few quests at the end of harrowfall. then back to the new one. visual mistake but still

[dense plover]

its a very short campaign generally

[dense plover]

yeah theres a bunch of those around

theres also still a ton of overlapping dialogue or missing dialogue throughout the campaign

[elder seal]

yeah

Entire campaign up to start of Nerub one with most of the NPC:s related to it amounts to around 760 + 112 (pending) screenshots

So yeah not that much

[dense plover]

im also pretty sure the XP is still fucked

unless its been hotfixed

[elder seal]

As in?

[dense plover]

i ended the campaign at 77

thats VERY short of 80

[elder seal]

Ah im at around 76 atm

[dense plover]

yeah youll get like 1.5 levels from azj-kahet

its not enough XP

[elder seal]

just got to the nerub area. havent done any of the sidequests. covering those after im done with the main campaign

ah

[dense plover]

they had this fixed at some point

side quests are enough eventually

but 2.5-3 levels of XP is way too much

it makes the zones feel short

[elder seal]

We'll get there. time to clean up my screenshots folder again so i can start from fresh folder with Anubs. Not sure do i really want to start covering 80 content after that right away.

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Saw your posts about the max level faction stuff and I love seeing it all! I've seen a number of others in the files- have you seen Salandria, Dezco, Rata or so on?

[uncut vault]

None of those so far, no

I'd imagine there's probably a paladin story later, based on that?

since this first chapter is shaman-focused

[zealous sedge]

Random, but I’m assuming we’ll see the actual TWW cinematic at some point closer to launch? The one they released for the launch date was more of a mashup of old and new/unreleased footage.

[tulip sun]

Hmm wasn't sure. It's possible? I just assumed they'd all be on the beach since Aponi and Liadrin are there too

[deep pawn]

it was at Blizzcon

[zealous sedge]

You’re saying the one between Thrall and Anduin is the only one? Somehow I doubt that with the clips of other never before seen scenes in the launch day announce trailer.

[upper pasture]

i mean, they are just a trailer to lead us into TWW making more cutscenes would take away from the expansion. just let the stuff be in game at that point

[silent urchin]

the launch date trailer was definitely clips from a bunch of other cinematics, including at least a couple that I think come with later parts of the story we haven't seen yet

so don't worry, there's gonna be plenty of them

[scarlet ridge]

can confirm, doesn't sky ride

[scarlet ridge]

that campaign must be very short, I've been doing every ! I came across and hit level 80 in the ringing deeps

[dense plover]

it kinda is

at least XP wise?

a lot of quests that before DF wouldve been multiple quests are single quests with multiple steps

but they give XP like theyre single quests

[uncut vault]

it hasn't

they added blocks though to prevent you from doing them at low levels though

can't do orweyna's stuff until 78, can't do the max level campaign until 80

I was left just shy of 76 after leaving hallowfall, had to go back and do all the side quests there lol

and then do the same again in Azj-Kahet because it only gave me 2/3rds of a level for the whole max level campaign

[silent urchin]

There's way more quest content overall, just not flagged as the main story. I think they want to avoid the situation where a lot of people hit 80 but still have tons of the campaign to go and are locked out of max level stuff til then

[uncut vault]

I think the alternative is worse tbh

[silent urchin]

although whichever way they do it is probably gonna lead to complaints

[uncut vault]

"I have to do this relevant and scripted main story to access more content" is not as big a hurdle as "I have an arbitrary roadblock, go back and find random stuff to do"

[silent urchin]

I think just doing dungeons as you level will get you pretty close

they've also given each zone fixed level brackets rather than scaling all the way with you

[dense plover]

lots of people wont do that

you shouldnt have to do dungeons

why is the campaign not enough?

this is a bad decision on their part

new players will get stuck

[uncut vault]

which would be better if they'd integrated all four zone's leveling dungeons into the MSQ

no clue why they only did that with the rookery

even though Ringing Deeps' is literally a followup to the MSQ

[silent urchin]

yeah they seemed to make a big deal of that even though the rookery feels pretty irrelevant to the story

[uncut vault]

atm there's no actual indication of which quests lead into the dungeons

[uncut vault]

well, its relevant to max level a ton

[scarlet ridge]

It's still rather silly you can' do tier 4 delves until season 1 begins, or random hc dungeons

gonna burn out before it starts ha

[tropic trail]

These delves can also get you leveled?

Or is it for max level players?

[scarlet ridge]

you can do them as you go, but level 4 difficulty isn't available until september 10th, I think I've done about 11 delves or so

[tropic trail]

Nice

[austere gazelle]

well, There seems to be a shift in leveling requiring you to do dungeon. There is a lack of piece of gear during leveling and the most reliable source are dungeon ( and delves )

And I'm fine with this as long as they display the quest requirement. The Orweyna's quest should appears with a grey "!" above her head meaning you need to have higher level

at the moment you're just stuck without any information ( at least the last time I did it )

[dense plover]

That’s just not true - I had a full set of 530-ish gear by the time I finished the campaign

Also world quests still give gear

You’re right about the information though

They updated quest icons and now you can’t tell when you don’t meet the level requirement

[austere gazelle]

for the world quest you need to be level 80.
And yes, me too, but it was by doing dungeon and delves mainly, most of the stuff did not come from the quests, who mainly gave rings most of the time 🤷

[dense plover]

Pretty sure you don't need to be 80 on alts unless they broke it again

they fixed the WQ gear being 80-only on alpha

[dense plover]

thats again not true

the quests give a full set of gear 2 times

once at low levels, once at higher levels

they cycle through every piece of gear

like - this isn't an opinion thing

factually, you get gear from the campaign quests

[austere gazelle]

Please, can you stop saying that's not " true " ? It's not because you experienced something one way that other had the same.
I have no interest in lying of spreading disinformation, what's the point ?
Maybe that is an issue with leather class and it has been fixed. I had one quest giving me the choice between the exact same piece of shoulder but with a different name, maybe other quest now gives gear but it wans't the case when I leveled up ?

I basically had what... A piece of shoulders, at least half dozen of rings, one weapon, and a chest ?

I also noticed that ppl on the general chat complained about it too, but what was clear is I had still low level gear on half my slots when I reached lvl 80

[austere gazelle]

I wasnt talking about alt though, but about main

[dense plover]

i specifically play leather classes, i got 3 rings across the campaign

[dense plover]

main yeah - WQs arent unlocked until 80

[austere gazelle]

then it sounds like its randomized / bugged. I plan to level up another DH to 80 to see what changed

[dense plover]

yeah I would check again

to be clear, i didnt do ANY side quests

it WAS different in alpha

gearing was a fucking mess

it seems less messy and lots of quests that didnt give gear before do now

[austere gazelle]

I also had a quest giving me like... 5 cloak at the same time, which I think was a bug too because I think you had to select the one you wanted.

[dense plover]

that one i know about

it might be a warbound quest

since the cloaks are bind on equip

they updated the currency

[livid walrus]

xd

[dense plover]

this is not my image

i didnt know you were in this discord XD

feel free to share your images here too

i post keyboardturner's stuff sometimes since they dont tend to post here either

not claiming it as mine - just trying to share info

[livid walrus]

all good . just funny to see it rolling around

[dense plover]

i share a lot of images from the other discord in addition to the ones I take

[livid walrus]

one can learn recipies for proff while not know the proff to do them xD

[dense plover]

yeah that one is busted

[uncut vault]

Some of the higher level world quests do only unlock at level 80, like the special assignments

which is an issue, because level 70-79 characters can pick up that weekly quest that requires you to complete them then get screwed out of XP lol

[dense plover]

yeah - im not sure they should but ive noticed

[dense plover]

yeah its wacky

[elder seal]

Looks like i just might have to backpedal into sidequests . Azj-Kahet monsters are 3 lvls above me atm

Specially annoying when i wanted to focus screenshotting mainquests only for time being

[dusk dagger]

for TWW did they make it so the work order stuff is crossrealm? or do I have to swap servers mine is pretty dead and like that shit sucked

[upper pasture]

I don’t think we actually know yet. I hope they do but no actual confirmation

[silent urchin]

they're adding NPC work orders

although that's to help crafters rather than to help you find one

[deep pawn]

Guild work orders will be cross realm

[elder seal]

@dense plover do you rmbr having any issues here with anubs? tried to take the guy out but keeps resetting all the time. reported it ofc.

keeps resetting everytime it uses beckon hmm

[dense plover]

yeah i ran into this

i think i got over it by stunning or b/c another player attacked at the same time

[elder seal]

Seems like with enough ppl you can overcome that.

yeah

I should seriously consider backpedalling back to Harrowfall. stuck at the next bit of quests now haha. playing with warmode on so i dont see too many players . both a pro and a con

Those things hit way too hard on lvl 76 toon

ah the ticking poison debuff from the monster in
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/quest=78254/stolen-influence
Is way too strong tbh

[elder seal]

Nobody likes Meerah. Meerah did nothing wrong

[elder seal]

oh rofl. well this sucks

https://wowhead.com/quest=79333
telescope needs lvl 80 to use when you get only to 76 from main campaign,
Cant continue for time being. oh well i suppose i'll wait till daylight is up in the game again and leave screenshotting to pause for now. then start doing those sidequests slowly per zone

Oh well . every main campaign quest up to that point has been covered now

[dense plover]

she can't sing

and savor likes to mess with her

he's undead

[elder seal]

"What is dat screeching coming from your mouth?"

[tropic trail]

Now I’m curious how she sings 🤣

[dense plover]

https://youtu.be/HYvIqO6Z8KA?si=LQKdKnFHx8RJElEL

its a call back to meerah's questline from BfA

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[subtle oar]

I don't get the hate for this

She absolutely can sing and is adorable

[tropic trail]

Yea she is kinda cute

[hazy kettle]

Ey yoo...

[scarlet ridge]

Flying around the crystal when it changes to 'night/void'

15mil hp, no where to land or perch myself to kill it

picture doesn't do it justice it's huge

[hazy kettle]

Okay, first: That's freaking terrifying.
Secondly? What the heck.
Lastly: This for sure be some void shit.

Guardian my ass, unless they pool a Bloodborne and everything is suddenly deep-sea / N'zoth related, THIS STINKS OF DEAD NAARU (and void)

[austere gazelle]

Its Medivh or Kadghar !

Wait... to soon ? XD

[tropic trail]

Mindflayer ship 😂

[deep pawn]

I hope we get a build tomorrow. I'm wouldn't mind a day or two of delve testing

[rain cave]

that's whack I love it

[ionic terrace]

dorf

[dense plover]

wait they finally added changed spawns when it goes to shadow?

[scarlet ridge]

it's there when it's 'light' too, I logged back in, there are some void touched mobs though when it's 'shadow'

[deep pawn]

new story, woo

[dusk dagger]

damn i might main survival hunter for tww

(until they nerf it 1 day after launch lol)

[dense plover]

finally getting to the older short stories - straight off the bat for the alleria one - i think Arator is gonna end up corrupted in Midnight

new vendor - potential new beta today/tomorrow

[austere gazelle]

Corrupted by the Light, that is, if Alleria survives TWW

[dense plover]

this is a crazy sentence

liadrin talking to turalyon is very interesting

[dense plover]

i posted these yesterday XD

#beta-ptr-spoilers message

[thin warren]

Curious when they will announce the prepatch releasedate

[deep pawn]

did the servers go down or what?

[silent urchin]

leveling realms were down

max level was still up about 10min ago

[deep pawn]

max level went down without warning

well shows up but you can't load characters

[zealous sedge]

New build?

Or are realms back up

[silent urchin]

No build yet, no realms available

wowhead tracker did pick up something in the development notes thread but nothing seems to actually be new

I suspect it detects when they add a hidden post or something

[dense plover]

there is definitely a build coming

new build went on vendor yesterday

today is also the ptr warbound test day

so theres that too

[dense plover]

want to concur with this as well

this is standard when we are getting a build

[zealous sedge]

Totally misread “Turnips Delight” as something else and was oh no blizz what is u doing.

[dense plover]

was the realm server down earlier?

[livid walrus]

yep

[dense plover]

ah ok

build soon then

its about the right time too

almost 2pm PST

[deep pawn]

Zorbix plotting

I need bear druid and shaman reworks

[slender helm]

I like the new Turnip Server lol

[deep pawn]

blue tracker trolling hard

[silent urchin]

yeah, I think it picks up on hidden posts or something

or just minor edits? I do wish it showed what the edits were

[dense plover]

it does

[deep pawn]

It's gonna update the moment I go to eat dinner

[dense plover]

theyre trying to make sure that PTR actually works when it goes up

half of the reason for the new build is the warband testing

[topaz fractal]

what are the chances of shaman changes? I know they previously announced a hunter rework but have they shadow dropped reworks for other classes previously?

[dense plover]

theyre coming eventually - class changes arent done

hard to say though

if theyre focusing on hunter still, probably not

but they might comment on it

[deep pawn]

if this follows the DF schedule, we're 2 builds away from being done on talent iteration and swapping to tuning and bug fixing

[slender helm]

Veng dh and reso shaman are rn the specs with the least amount of changes (barely anything besides hero talents)
Tho there is not much time left for big changes

[deep pawn]

the druid class tree update was a failure

bear hasn't been touched at all.

[slender helm]

Yeah? I heard from someone he likes druid changes on bear very much

But didn't get much into it

[deep pawn]

we want some attention badly

bear still has that stupid build a CD set up

[dense plover]

i disagree

as balance being my secondary - it was worse before

its not amazing - but it was DEFINITELY worse

[deep pawn]

Fluid Form shouldn't require caster stats, defensives shouldn't require taking bear or cat talents.

Going from hot rotten trash to just rotten trash isn't something to celebrate.

[dense plover]

yeah they havent fixed those complaints that were also a problem in DF

i would think its more trash to mediocre

[slender helm]

If you compare to other tanks it's rough, yeah. I hear polarized voices about dh, but I think that's a dh thing. Brew is still cursed with button bloat (tho a bit less now)
Warrior feels silent as always
How is prot pally looking?

[deep pawn]

Fine

[cosmic beacon]

tbf vdh very recently got a rework

a very good one at that

shaman has had basically nothing all df let alone tww

[slender helm]

Yeah. Thats the joke on that. Shaman at most got a bandaid at 10.1

[deep pawn]

People want vdh to get nerfs

[cosmic beacon]

deserved

[slender helm]

Especially utility. Its a beast. Before it was pally. When does blizz recognize this?

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-war-within-pre-expansion-ptr-development-notes/1879112 ptr dev notes

Dunno whats new compared to beta ones

No build yet either

Developer’s note: With this adjustment the leveling content should feel easier for all players as the items being rewarded will be a higher item level. All leveling items will follow this high item level cadence except for heirlooms. Heirlooms still have the advantage of increasing their item level as the wielder levels. In general, this should make leveling a more fluid and pleasant experience!``` this bit seems new?

The sell value of the Elegant Canvas Brush has been reduced to 100 gold.``` rip

PTR realms are up, on the same build as before

beta build out

servers are also up

splash screen! Sort of

If the splash screen is saying event is july 30th, maybe the prepatch itself is a bit earlier?

[deep pawn]

a bit earlier than I expected

oh no

that makes sense

7/30 is 4 weeks

[silent urchin]

dorn world server crashed immediately :(

there's a few more named NPCs on the beach, btw

[clever valley]

Haven't seen him in awhile

[silent urchin]

got a dorn map too

and a world map

[dense plover]

huh

still hoping we get separate beta notes

[mossy meteor]

we will soon

[silent urchin]

Faerin at least seems to think the radiant song is beledar, and perhaps the world soul? Comes with the weekly quest

also a weekly to collect titan discs for dagran in the vault

[deep pawn]

Casters have new animations when selected in warband

[silent urchin]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-war-within-beta-development-notes/1870426/9

[dense plover]

oh good - no more just sitting or standing

[deep pawn]

melee just kinda awkwardly move

I'm so mad that they rearraged the arcane tree again

[dense plover]

monk poses

theyre spec specific

[deep pawn]

ah

[slender helm]

Wait, did they wrote there on top of the notes like suddenly, they are implementing region wide guilds?!

So out of nowhere?

[dense plover]

well mostly spec-specific

this is demo lock

[deep pawn]

demo mixes fire and shadow, makes sense

[deep pawn]

we knew that was coming in Blizzcon

[slender helm]

Okay. Then I forgot it lol

[dense plover]

demonology summons demons - i think they could have you summon a demon and have it run out

[deep pawn]

Bear has nothing, but balance has star and sun

[dense plover]

yeah - its clearly not finished

[slender helm]

Shaman 0 changes

[dense plover]

the balance animation is inside hands

[deep pawn]

Arcane got ANOTHER tree rearranging

[dense plover]

warband bank is now a spell instead of a toy

[slender helm]

I'm sure no dev wants to touch shamans.

[silent urchin]

Weird, can't see any special assignments

[dense plover]

delve tracking is back

you can click the icon and it tracks it!

[silent urchin]

I wonder if the special assignments aren't reseting properly with weekly reset..

[zealous sedge]

Oh wow I absolutely love this map

[silent urchin]

I assume city of threads will get a special picture as well

they normally do one per zone

[cosmic beacon]

Excited for shaman to continue to have mostly terrible design going into tww

But atleast skyfury is now baked into prim wave

We are saved

[deep pawn]

pvp only

[dense plover]

they made the cursed pickaxe into an actual weapon!

[silent urchin]

Neat, does it still randomly transform you into an earthern?

[slender helm]

I wonder if dh discord is breaking apart right now after sigil killing blow

[dense plover]

summary and rep icons

[dense plover]

yes

even in your inventory

i hope they keep that

[silent urchin]

would be nice if it also worked while using the appearance

[dense plover]

each of these have their own background

[deep pawn]

Wowhead should correct themselves to on or before July 30th

[slender helm]

Most likely before. Or do you think they write in the Splash Screen event goes live on 30th of july if the patch drops the 30th of july?

Then they would more likely write "live now"

[deep pawn]

hmm, maybe, if we're seeing a 5 week prepatch

[slender helm]

Tho it feels unreal we get pre patch the next 5 weeks already

They did a good job filling the gap between expansions and don't let it feel dried out

[deep pawn]

If we're seeing a 5 week prepatch then iteration is done this week

[silent urchin]

they can apparently hotfix in entire hero talent trees if they want

iteration can keep going as long as they want

[slender helm]

Kinda, yeah. Balance won't be fully finished when pre patch drops

But like 90%

Numbers must be at least somewhere reasonable

And balance it at the end solely on hero talents...would be bad

[deep pawn]

yeah, but they stop eventually to focus on numbers and bug fixes

plus localization

[cosmic beacon]

Well ye Skyfury is a PvP specific totem

[dense plover]

the lightning wolves are beasts now!

that means you can tame them

they also come in multiple colors

[deep pawn]

they deactivated the adventure journal for some reason

[dense plover]

works fine for me

theres not a load screen to the warband screen anymore - you login and then it fades to black before loading the warband screen

i assume this is to make it less jarring - i think it works

[silent urchin]

world mobs feel so overtuned right now

maybe that'll change with gear

[dense plover]

they made the respawn point huge

[dense plover]

what level are you

[silent urchin]

80

[dense plover]

what server?

[silent urchin]

with 580 ilvl

[dense plover]

huh weird

[silent urchin]

found a new book

apparently this shadow lasted 3 weeks

[dense plover]

a few interesting changes to delves - chests arent on the map. idk if this is because my brann is low level but its neat. I found a dirt pile and brann dug in it to reveal another treasure. As i noticed earlier, respawn stone is bigger. The little piles of treasure they added a few builds ago give extra brann xp on top of a small amount of gold or resonant crystals

and the bigger chests throughout gave me 250 resonant crystals from one and 200 gold as an item from another

[silent urchin]

lag feels even worse this build and it's incredibly frustrating

[dense plover]

also (this is specific to kriegvals rest) the radius of the candle shrinks as you run low on wax, acting as an excellent visual indictor

[dense plover]

i havent gone underground, but dornogal is better than last build

[deep pawn]

I'm on the end game server

[dense plover]

from a delve

[dense plover]

oh that might be why

when you have completed a delve and go to exit, there isnt a confirmation button anymore

you click go to leave and it works

[silent urchin]

oh I'm actually ilvl 570 ish, there's a trinket with a very bugged ilvl that was boosting it by a lot

[dense plover]

one of the disturbed earth things spawned a slime i had to bounce on - 9 bounces = 3 odd globs of wax

[silent urchin]

Starting to really reconsider priest, the squishyness and ramp make it really un fun for outdoor solo stuff/delves

[dense plover]

can confirm the chest changes

only the chests that have abilities are highlighted

these 2 are just here

[silent urchin]

It feels like they don't test rock climbing WQ at all

like 3/4s of paths and objectives on this one are out of range

[dense plover]

could be it worked then they made a change and it broke

this seems new - spawns bombs around it

i dont remmeber seeing EZ mine orew

looks like depositing into bank with the big button is broken for reagent bank and the warband bank

found this in my last delve

its a rusty version of those constructs from suramar

unlocked elevators have map markers now

[dense plover]

from fishing from one of the weird fishing pools

looks like they switched the resonance crystals from the 🔍 to 250 rep

[deep pawn]

@dense plover Has the warband selection screen shown professions for a while?

[dense plover]

yes

since early on if not the start

[deep pawn]

pvp achieves are working in warband at least

I still don't know why I thought warbands would combine your servers

on char select

[silent urchin]

skyriding glyphs seem to more reliably be visible from a distance

[dense plover]

go here - theres one of those light towers in hallowfall

if you go inside - it has music!

oh

nvm

its the ohnaran plains music

it was a track i hadnt heard before

but then it started playing the main theme

[dense plover]

another sojourner achieve

hallowfall is still missing one

[silent urchin]

still seem to be missing one of the quests for dorn

and also one of the new deeps ones

One of the dorn ones did appear to require max level or hallowfall campaign completion

so maybe there's some weird requirements

[dense plover]

i think its hallowfall completion

so you know who the npcs are

[silent urchin]

lol you get determination in delves

t1 delve bosses ridiculously overtuned

this one has instant ranged knockbacks that do 1/3rd of your hp, but it summons tons of them randomly all over so you can just get bounced between them

[tropic trail]

Man this map 🗺️ is so damn good

[scarlet ridge]

check the ilvl

[oak herald]

Hey, does anyone know how to get to the 2nd leveling zone in War Within Beta? I have pretty much finished all the zone quest for Isle of Dorn and I'm level 73.

[elder seal]

Hmm i wonder was this an intentional progress block?
Telescope needs lvl 80 to use
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/quest=79333/the-fleet-arrives

Still slowly progressing through sidequests so i can progress with main questsline

[scarlet ridge]

hit 80 as I entered hallowfall as I was doing every ! I came across, is it quite common for people to just do the campaign and not bother with side quests?

[elder seal]

Ah i was only doing main campaign due to the fact i wanted to focusing screenshotting on that stuff first. In normal situations i / people would do sidquests too imo.

[oak herald]

@scarlet ridge How did you get off Isle of Dorn?

[scarlet ridge]

flew down the middle

[elder seal]

Quests should lead up to that tho

no idea why yours wouldnt

[scarlet ridge]

fly down here

also a lift in one of these buildings, can't remember which

[thin warren]

What map? 😮

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/keyboardturn/status/1803265100507390111

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Twitter · Jun 19, 2024, 3:14 AM

have we seen this?

[tropic trail]

@thin warren this map 😂

[thin warren]

Nice :3

[hazy kettle]

THAT'S SUS AS HECK

[livid walrus]

huh...

[tropic trail]

No Khadgar! 😭

[upper pasture]

Wait…didn’t kalec quit the kirin tor?

Maybe he reconsidered after the events of launch of TWW?

[deep pawn]

Hmm, so goblin raid and an ethereal raid

I don't buy the ethereals as carrying the final raid of this plot

There's gonna be so many complaints about Karesh if it's another Argus

[deep pawn]

@dense plover They expanded follower dungeons beyond story ones. Dawnbreaker is locked and they haven't added city of threads yet.

[last hearth]

Where is weavercloth? its not in bags

[wheat elk]

Just tried a follower dungeon to learn new ones and they seem to work great.

anyone know the requirements for random heroic dungeons?

Says I don't meet requirements but doesn't say what the requirement is.

[clever valley]

You need ilvl 571

[zealous sedge]

Maybe we are getting a .3??

[upper pasture]

maybe we get mini raids again!

[zealous sedge]

Oh I was just thinking that too!

Could make sense. Heroes are fighting the enemy on two fronts. Underground and an attempt from the void to invade Azeroth

Even though we know that’s what is happening in midnight, could be a foreshadow

[upper pasture]

it could also be these are plants by blizzard to keep us guessing OR even something that isn't coming until 12.X or 13.X

[deep pawn]

they said expansions will come out faster

there won't be a 4th raid

[zealous sedge]

I wouldn’t expect a 4th raid either. I would like to see mini raids make a return. To your point about expansions coming out faster, I just find it hard to believe it’ll be an 18- 20 month timeline because that would put midnight at April to June 2026. I don’t remember the last time an expansion was released in any other season except for late summer/ fall. I feel like the timeline is baked in and just works. Unless they are willing to change course.

[dense plover]

I ran city of threads as a follower yesterday

[zealous sedge]

Also I won’t lie, sometimes it’s nice to have a little break between xpacs. Obviously theres a sweet spot there but I think this current pace for DF into TWW feels really good. And that’s mainly helped because of remix and S4.

[ionic terrace]

i'm sad the followers are the ones from DF but I suppose it makes sense

[wheat elk]

@clever valley Thank you. It must be a bug because i'm 582. I'll keep trying on and off. Thanks again

[deep pawn]

we're literally in a 22 month expansion right now

DF is the shortest expansion ever I think

[zealous sedge]

Yes true. I’m just not sure if making it any shorter than that is for the best.

[pulsar minnow]

The ethereal raid could also be a mini raid

[deep pawn]

cut fated 18 months is very doable

correction, we're in a 21 month expansion

End of November 2022 to end of August 2024

[rain cave]

an ethereal mini-raid with all the unique gear effects as like a tease of some of the things to come in midnight could be cool

[pulsar minnow]

But if it’s a main raid, i wouldn’t be shocked at all tbh

I personally thought this expansion would mainly be leading to the core center of Azeroth and the world soul itself, but I’m starting to think they’re saving that for TLT

But it very well could just be about Beledar

[rain cave]

I think TLT will get pretty weird

[deep pawn]

Only thing I'm sure of in TLT is we get Iridikron's shifting underground lair as a raid

[rain cave]

tali pitched the idea of it literally being titans show up, iridikron succeeds in his plan because he's been left alone for 2 expacs to plan and then we have to clean up