#beta-ptr-spoilers

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pulsar minnow
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I’ll look again

dense plover
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Do you need to be a worgen to reclaim Gilneas or do you need to be alliance or can anyone do it?

pulsar minnow
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Anyone can

dense plover
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Even horde?

silent urchin
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yup

dense plover
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Awesome

pulsar minnow
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I see why I missed him, someone had a mammoth on top of him 💀

little hound
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Me watching the reunion for the 5th time

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warm topaz
little hound
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WTB Gilneas Cinematic ?

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How did Genn's Ingame Cinematic face just go back to being 40 years old?

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harsh mason
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Imagine that he was literally hiding here all this time

little hound
harsh mason
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And I also understood that his hunger has something to do with Azeroth

little hound
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Iridikron: but the Titans infected Azeroth.
Void Lords: Oh, trust us! We certainly didn't infect it first with Old God parasites and void corruption, heh.

harsh mason
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I wonder who hasn't infected Azeroth yet.

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Like, leave the planet girl alone.

crystal pond
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Yeah the statement of Iridikron about titans while being allied with the void is so dumb

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Yeah like titans have a grip on azeroth but its was actually a void that infected azeroth

upper pasture
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Wasn’t the old gods here first tho?

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“Here” being Azeroth

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Not that that means anything but I suppose there is some thing to that logic of they were just here vibing then the titans came to “clean up” the place

crystal pond
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Well it was clearly stated in bfa that they actually bad and azeroth actually don't like/afraid of them

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Old gods was literally a parasites and the void they bringed with them is nothing more then a cancer

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Though the void as a power outside all of this is just a cool power like other ones

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With + and -

rain cave
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I mean iridikron isn't an idiot, he's a strategic mind

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he knows the void hates the titans and would do anything to be rid of them

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his plan isn't actually to ally with the void, his plan is to lure the titans to azeroth so he can face them

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hence why he says we won't see him until the titans show their faces

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he doesn't say "you'll see me when the harbinger comes" or "when the void comes"

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he's probably aware we can fight the void, he just wants to use them to weaken the others in his way. At least that's his plan.

harsh mason
crystal pond
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Where did i said that he trust the void?

blazing granite
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I wonder why the Crowleys are absent, though

upper pasture
blazing granite
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Oh ok

harsh mason
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That's literally the first shown kiss in the game, right?

little hound
deep pawn
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Kisses and hugs are hard to animate

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ask FF14 haha

dense plover
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they pulled it off

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im impressed with the progress theyve made on ingame animations

plain violet
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That's an amazing progress and that was wholesome.

harsh mason
sullen dawn
silent urchin
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Well I got the first rep level with archives and it seems to have unlocked nothing

dense plover
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It’s been years since the tree burned and even longer since the assault on gilneas and the horde has changed a lot

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So has the alliance

sullen dawn
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I do

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I don't like these changes tbh, I'd rather horde and alliance are extremely hostile/bigoted towards eachother

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Real life is where I'm a collectivist

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Wow is for tribalism

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Weird that genn gets a change of heart in 15 mins. From shoot on site to "I'm old and don't understand the world now, time for peace"

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I wish we got more stuff like the burning of the tree

dense plover
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I’m bored of the faction conflict

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It’s the same shit over and over

upper pasture
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"oh look a new landmass, this is our land"

sullen dawn
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I agree more nuance is needed than red Vs blue

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But everyone becoming buddies comes off as juvenile. Again real life is where I strive for collective harmony. In wow I wanna unleash that primal tribalism. I wanna burn vulperas

dense plover
upper pasture
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everyone isn't "buddies"

dense plover
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Being allied = \ = friends

upper pasture
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there's plenty of people on each side that don't agree fully with allying with the other faction

dense plover
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Not killing on sight and talking things out is how normal stuff works

sullen dawn
upper pasture
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but when it calls for it it's reasonable to work together

sullen dawn
dense plover
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The US is at odds with Russia - they are our enemy all things considered, but we still have meetings with Putin

sullen dawn
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Can Russians set their hearthstone to the Whitehouse?

dense plover
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The horde and alliance are less of enemies than that

sullen dawn
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Yeh but the worgen and forsaken weren't

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They're literally mortal enemies

dense plover
upper pasture
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you should prolly look for another escapism if that's what your looking for. or just do purely PvP

sullen dawn
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Well that's my point. Wow was that, it's changing, and I don't like that

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It's ok for me to have that perspective

tepid fiber
sullen dawn
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For example early BFA warmode was soooooo fun with the invasions

sullen dawn
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It's fine if wow no longer becomes for me, but that can still be frustrating for me

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And it should be hostile. That's kinda what annoyed me

tepid fiber
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Horde and Alliance have been cooperating for several years now, since the end of BFA

dense plover
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There’s so many stories you CANT tell if everyone is always fighting

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And especially when there’s an existential threat, it doesn’t make sense

upper pasture
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it shouldn't be hostile but go on

sullen dawn
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It doesn't have to be EVERYONE always fighting, but right now it's everyone is always friends

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Bel ameth letting undead is wtf

dense plover
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The plan for the expac in the blood elf area could NEVER happen if the factions weren’t working together

dense plover
tepid fiber
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It makes sense when you're paying attention to the story

dense plover
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It literally wasn’t the plan

sullen dawn
dense plover
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The plan was not to burn it down

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That was sylvanas last minute choice

sullen dawn
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Meanwhile my tauren hated it

dense plover
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They unfortunately can’t do both stories continuously

tepid fiber
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Don't forget that Sylvanas loyalists get told by Sylvanas that she was wrong

sullen dawn
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I like to play things from different perspectives. But tis all blending together

upper pasture
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lol wut we literally JUST saw Genn step down from leadership and give it to his daughter because he knew she would be a better leader. Genn knew he couldn't work alongside the Horde. he's not friendly with us.

dense plover
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Because it’s too much work

sullen dawn
dense plover
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Yeah that’s a lot of work and would take away from expansion story

sullen dawn
dense plover
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It’s almost definitely too much work

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You get a coherent story like Dragonflight or you get a split story that ends up being messy and less polished like BfA

tepid fiber
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Still gotta be able to tell the story within the scope that an MMO can. This isn't a single player ARPG

sullen dawn
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You can have the alliance formally support silvenroon to reclaim it in midnight, with maybe factions of worgen and 7th legion saying f that were taking advantage of this to damage forsaken position

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BFA story imo was 10x DF

tepid fiber
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There's always one, I guess

sullen dawn
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They dropped the ending with nzoth, but everything up until end of eternal palace is the best they've ever done

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Whoever just replied I can't see your messages as blocked a long time ago I guess

upper pasture
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different strokes for different folks.

sullen dawn
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Jaina storyline, talanji were S tier

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Bwonsamdi was the best new character ever

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The invasions were sick as hell

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Loved the war campaign and the feeling of enemy territory

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Felt like a real war with real politics and depth

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The end of the expansion definitely didn't tie it together well enough and they scuffed nzoth but up until end of nazjatar it was chefs kiss

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The Sylvanas storyline was a bit meh I agree

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(post tree burning)

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Meanwhile DF felt like a captain planet cartoon

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Great systems, ass story

upper pasture
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meh, i think the story was great. but tbf the aspects have always been my fav

tepid fiber
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Don't forget more Titan lore

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So good

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I love that the game isn't frozen in time for the sake of edge and the story and setting continues to develop. Sounds like Toby just wants to play 40K

upper pasture
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yeah idk i mean some conflict is great but it doesn't need to be the center of the story especially one that was less about fighting and more about exploring.

tepid fiber
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Another good point about this expansion not even having the factions as the center of the story, they're not even directly involved. It isn't the Horde and Alliance leading the expedition into the Dragon Isles--it's the Explorers' League and the Reliquary in addition to individuals and groups invited by the Aspects

warm topaz
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any thoughts guys?

tepid fiber
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Nobody has read it yet dracthyr_shrug

sullen dawn
tepid fiber
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Yeah that tracks

sullen dawn
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I got into these franchises because of their 'War Machine' traits

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If wow continues to move away from that I won't be bitter, just disappointed. I do respect the point that DF was more about explorers groups too. I'm more disappointed in bel ameth and gilneases horde allowances

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The core story of course didn't have to be about faction conflict

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The titan lore was interesting, just found the overall story very dull

austere gazelle
# warm topaz

oh, the " titans PoV" lore that cover eras when they were being tortured and thus not there? 🤔

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I'm struggling to give it a chance - or not - when I've been bamboozled with the firsts volumes that became untrue and PoV lore when it was convenient for blizzard ( while it was claimed as being THE definitive source of Lore at that time )

tropic trail
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They are true but people can’t read with understanding lol

worn crown
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I just would like to add my 2 cents about "faction conflict":

What got me into WoW was WCIII, and when in the end in the main campaign we had orcs (along with darkspear trolls and tauren), humans and night elves working together against a bigger threat (the Legion) I was like : "Great! Faction war is over".

But then came the hard faction divide in WoW and I was like: "Hun?"

What really interests me in WoW is the fantastical and cosmic lore. 🙂

subtle oar
uncut vault
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The faction conflict not being over was like... the entire point of the TFT orc campaign haha

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to show that friendships were being formed, but that the world had not just gotten over three decades of conflict in the span of a few months

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The ultimate goal and moral theme was unity, obviously, but it was one that didn't just get a quick and clean path to "we're friends now", there would always be objections and bigotry because that's how the world works

tulip sun
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@uncut vault Saw you tweet about the Draenei on Twitter. There's quite a few npcs in the database for both the Draenei and Troll ones

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Heavy hints on the plot

uncut vault
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Yeah I saw some of them for trolls

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the loa especially are interesting

tulip sun
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Yeah, seems to involve Mueh'zala. The two.other loa seem brand new too

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And there's like. All the dead exarchs in the database

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So maybe flashbacks or calling upon the ancestors for the draenei

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I think there's an Auchenei npc

uncut vault
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D'ore is also there, so maybe theyre fully making a new Auchindoun on Azeroth

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that's been my dream heritage for a while

tulip sun
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It'd make sense, especially with the implication of Outland becoming uninhabitable quickly

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We saw the black dragons and netherwing leave

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The orcish tribes that come from Outland suggested they'd move to azeroth

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So on

austere gazelle
# tropic trail They are true but people can’t read with understanding lol

no, some lore were retconned and Danuser said " it was a titan Pov , it might be true or not " and we have several book after that invalidated parts of chronicles ( making those false ) and even whole book presenting all that we know as " maybe fake lore "

It's not a matter of reading comprehension , and cant be dissed as " ppl are dumb lol "
It's presenting chronicles as " THE definitive source of lore from wow " and then making that statement untrue because several part were changed

In short, the " PoV method " is a way for them to retcon stuff that they don't like or can't fit with their agendas. ( maybe Metzen, I hope, will put this right on track )

Needless to say that the wow Lore under Danuser era became " Schroëdinger lore " some facts were true and not at the same time "

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tepid fiber
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To be fair, if the Titans project their knowledge as truth despite it just being their point of view and that material is advertised as truth it would be very Titan

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5d spooderman chess but still

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But. Canon is canon is canon. If the old canon is no longer canon then that's canon

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It's their setting, it's their IP, they're the writers. If they want to change something and then they do, well, they're allowed to do that

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Even human history has been re-written or "patched up" and entire conceptualizations and what we've known as fact changed as more information became known over time

tropic trail
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Warcraft world is dynamic so it’s normal things going to get added or updated in the future. It’s just like in real life.

silent urchin
tepid fiber
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Because it's easier to justify a bad argument or opinion when you don't care about accuracy and can word things in your favor

subtle oar
austere gazelle
silent urchin
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He never said or implied it was wrong, just that it focused on events relevant to the titans

austere gazelle
# silent urchin He never said or implied it was wrong, just that it focused on events relevant t...

from their PoV. And we know since the Uldaman lore extract in the Odyn edict that they rewrote history about their point of vue concerning the Black Empire and stuff. And Avaloren. So what was in Chronicle was retconned.

1- it was stated as the definitive source of lore, disregarding any PoV
2- it suddenly became a PoV
3- event stated in chronicles are now canonically from the pov of the titans, so what was described in chronicles is not the real stuff, its the stuff the titans present as true

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So its not a misquote, and its factually what happened.

silent urchin
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The point is it basically sums up the lore of the story so far. Which is the story we have seen. Essentially as agents of the titans. So it focuses on stuff relevant to titan stuff. He makes the explicit example that there's only a few pages on the black empire, despite it being a massive empire that spanned thousands of years, because it's just not been relevant yet. He says nothing about it being wrong.

austere gazelle
silent urchin
austere gazelle
# silent urchin

yes, basically its a Point of Vue. I did not use the word wrong, just that he said that event from the point of vue of the titan are from the point of vue of the titans, so it might be true for the titans, and wrong for others PoV, and we had this specific example in The Grimoire of Shadowlands ( written by Danuser ) that said the titans told fake stuff

tepid fiber
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*view

silent urchin
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it's a point of view in that it affects what is in the book, not that it affects the accuracy of it

upper pasture
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Yes, because that’s how history is written, by the victors.

austere gazelle
upper pasture
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I mean at the end of the day, it’s their IP if they want to retcon something for the sake of making the story make more sense they’re gonna do it

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The book was supposed to be “definitive” but then something changed so now it’s titan propaganda

tepid fiber
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Phrased it perfectly

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
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You continue to develop it based on new information as it comes out

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Just like normal history

rain cave
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oh lord whats going on

tepid fiber
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Rejecting information as it comes out over time just because of the perspectives of the past is how you get people like flat earthers. Same concept

upper pasture
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There’s really no other reasonable way to tell a story that continues to evolve by making everything that was told before it an absolute fact

austere gazelle
rain cave
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fair

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
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That's not what Schrödinger's Cat is, by the way

rain cave
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wonder what it would have been like had they not said titan propoganda but titan studies/investigations or some such

upper pasture
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I mean, in my eyes adding more PoVs makes more depth in the game

rain cave
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since evidently the different cosmological forces aren't actually too informed about eachother sometimes

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
rain cave
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like elune didn't know what was going on in the SL despite her sister being there

upper pasture
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But that’s not what’s happening, the titans “truths” are in fact glorified lies to paint them as the good guys. Because they won the war they get to tell whatever story they wanted. Now that the truth is being discovered it’s up to the player characters to decide which is morally right

tepid fiber
austere gazelle
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I think it should have been better handled if chronicle started with this, tbh :

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tepid fiber
rain cave
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aye

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that's what I mean

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there seems to be a big breakdown in communication between the larger forces

tepid fiber
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Naturally

upper pasture
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There reason it didn’t is because of all the blowback that happened because people won’t/can’t accept change so now they preface any lore heavy book with that to cover their ass so to say

tepid fiber
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Exactly. It's a lesson learned based on community feedback and the changed development process after the fact

rain cave
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I feel like the titans are the cause behind the communication breakdown

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it does feel like they're setting them up to be the first ones ;p

tepid fiber
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And Blizzard isn't WotC--they're not going to retroactively add addendums and prefaces in already published material to make you by a whole new set of books

rain cave
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and the reason they 'disappeared' was sargeras killing them/trapping them

upper pasture
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Of course they are, they wanted to be seen as the good guys so they needed to lie there way into us having zero doubts of it

rain cave
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and the whole system was left to accumulate faults over time, then after taking down sargeras they were preoccupied with dealing with him, potentially picking up the pieces of whatever's going on back in the order domain

tepid fiber
rain cave
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if the titans are only 1 part of the order domain, and not the only big bosses. Potentially they're all in hot water since their order didn't work

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maybe they're all getting a first ones spanking

upper pasture
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Only thing I know is when that story unfolds I know a bunch of people are going to be upset

rain cave
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sargeras turned, they let xalath onto the pantheon, they failed to protect argus, they failed to stop sargeras, Eonar planted the tree, Azeroth was slated to be purged and wasn't, etc etc

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If you're the Titan's manager in the order domain they've not got a great track record

tepid fiber
tepid fiber
subtle oar
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O.o

upper pasture
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Who knows

rain cave
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and she implied this was some sort of victory

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like I said earlier if I was the titans manager looking at their track record... not great

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from a pure order perspective

rain cave
tepid fiber
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There's no guarantee that the First Ones are related to Order. We've only seen them interacting with Death

rain cave
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maybe there isn't an order domain anymore? could it be that it's nonexistent at this point?

tepid fiber
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I think you're overthinking it

rain cave
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no hol up let me cook I'm pondering

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the titans are order beings, but don't have any ties to an order 'realm' as far as we've seen

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per their own lore they were born in our universe

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the brokers are implied to be beings of order as well, but we find them in the shadowlands

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the first ones also appear to be beings of order, but we find their technology in the shadowlands. Setting up the great cycle and its ordered machinery

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there is an inherent connection to azeroth, and we know the void likes to invade other realms, and other forces HAVE invaded other realms

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could the great conspiracy be to rebuild the order realm, something they may have lost causing them to split off into multiple factions and other realms?

tepid fiber
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Anywho, about the Xal'atath thing, that's not really something that involved the Titans. She was merely happy about arriving at the Seat of the Pantheon--not interacting with the Pantheon themselves--and getting a "foothold" there implying that up to that point no forces of the Void had ever managed to get that far. However, she was still contained within the Blade of the Black Empire and only as a tool used by us. It wasn't an actual Void victory as far as we know

rain cave
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Still, if you're a pure order being and the titans come back after being AWOL with corrupted sargeras, a mortal infused with fel, and traces of mortals, void, and life magic on the literal seat of the pantheon

tepid fiber
rain cave
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amanthul reacted violently at a tree being planted

tepid fiber
rain cave
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lmao xD

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it does start to sound like a stupid pyromancer/accolonn theory at first I do agree

tepid fiber
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Stick to what we know, not what we don't. Because we don't know what we don't know, yeah?

rain cave
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fair

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but that's mainly for imminent speculation

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I do that when I'm trying to predict story beats

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but sometimes it's nice to sit back and get interpetive for larger cosmology things using what we know

tepid fiber
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Sure, I love writing fanfiction too

rain cave
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it's not quite fanfiction, since fanfiction just makes stuff up usually

tepid fiber
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But I don't try to dress it up

rain cave
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I'm just throwing out potential explanations for things we've seen in-game

tepid fiber
rain cave
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not claiming them as predictions or definite arguments

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if we want to do proper prediction/speculation, we're only going to be doing it for WW and midnight, since those are the only things we've got proper info on

tepid fiber
rain cave
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it's just 2 different types of speculation

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I'm not going off into the dark, I'm just taking what we know and in that case extrapolating to an extreme

tepid fiber
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Yes, and that extreme makes it fanfiction

rain cave
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whereas some people prefer to speculate about specific quests in the next patch

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I also like to speculate about the larger things based on what we've gotten

tepid fiber
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Known > Unkown is speculation
Known > Unkown > Unkown is fanfiction

rain cave
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every speculation is fanfiction

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in that logic

tepid fiber
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You get too many steps away from what's known and-- you know what, this isn't worth it

rain cave
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like I'm only taking what we know and giving 1 explanation for it

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it's not multiple steps xD

tepid fiber
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I'm gonna finish my sandwich in peace

rain cave
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just saying a potential explanation that fits the order beings being scattered and their interest in azeroth could be that the void devoured their realm

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do I think that's actually the case? probably not. The constellars came from somewhere after all

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and if the void has the potential to devour an entire realm like that, they'd probably be more of an ultimate threat. Whereas it seems the titans are being set up for that in some capacity.

sullen dawn
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Pyros theory of first ones being azeroth and argus (and maybe others) makes most sense to me right now

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But either way, I doubt they're pure order

rain cave
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I mean, from what I've seen of the first ones in terms of thematics/iconography they are a combined triage of all the orderly forces

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Order, Light and Death

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since all their tech and looks combine those 3 things

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ofc we know there are stations in the other cosmologies as well, zereth umbra and others

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but that's just like how the titans have eonar.

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Eonars job is lifebinder as people have discussed, she controls life in the way order deems acceptable. The titans seem to be quite open about bringing in alternate powers into their ranks willingly instead of just destroying it all and replacing.

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it's all very vague and up in the air though

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the real question that needs answering is what do the titans want with azeroth for their plan

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the answer to that fills in basically every other gap we have story wise

sullen dawn
rain cave
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ik, I talk about that in the other messages

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but the zereths are not natural to the realm keep that in mind

sullen dawn
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I really think their role is more than "titans, but better", they don't really have a purpose if their role in the story is to be beings of order, the titans are already that

uncut vault
sullen dawn
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But who knows with blizz, they stupidly made venthyr be the creators of the dreadlords, which ruined everything about the dreadlords

uncut vault
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Because otherwise there’s no real explanation why the order pantheon is rooted in reality and springs from world souls, but not any of the other pantheons

sullen dawn
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Possibly because 'worlds' in the context of the universe are pretty orderful

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I think the best way to salvage dreadlords is to retcon it so denathrius is a dreadlord who infiltrated the first ones creation process of the shadowlands eternals and got his essence in there, and that the dreadlords already existed

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They're pretty good at co-opting other forces. Otherwise I see dreadlords as lost lore tbh

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Also, I don't think weve seen enough of other forces to know that for sure. It's possible 'incubation in a planet' is exclusive to titans, but it's possible it's true of for example chaos too

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Mega demons

subtle oar
rain cave
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mb xD

signal bone
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you guys think we're going to get news on the skull on the roadmap this week?

warm topaz
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probably yeah

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austere gazelle
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Hence Pandamonium

deep pawn
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I do think we get 10.2.6 ptr

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it has to since it's only 7 weeks away

ionic terrace
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nothing about it in this week

deep pawn
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hmm, bleh

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either short ptr or we have longer than 8 weeks for this patch

warm topaz
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I think they will announce something, they just haven't put it in the article.

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10.2.6 is too secret to put it there

deep pawn
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eh, not like "in dev" reveals anything

rain cave
vernal juniper
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well

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they found the asset of the flag in the game

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it is from the pirate shop pet in bfa

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also I remember that they changed siege of borealus in 10.1.5 or so, from lvl 60 map to lvl 70 map

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can be related

austere gazelle
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Maybe they'll make us follow Xal or whomever on her travel to Khaz Algar and she'll use a pirate fleet to get there

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A sort of introduction to the war within

sleek solar
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Are there images of the new heritage sets yet?

tropic trail
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Guys when new expansion goes out? 🤔

deep pawn
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Fall 2024 is the last official Blizzard thing

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The roadmap has it right on the border of summer and fall so maybe September

tropic trail
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Hm, nice

deep pawn
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all these wishlist editorials

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makes sense if alpha is in about 6-8 weeks

rain cave
subtle oar
sleek solar
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Ahhh okay

sleek solar
rain cave
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o shi

thin warren
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can't wait for more info about .6

vernal juniper
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its time?

deep pawn
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woo, vendor

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I don't expect it this week

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but next Wednesday

warm topaz
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she works in dungeons and raids in wow

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this 10.2.6 can be huge 👀

deep pawn
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Don't expect that huge

subtle oar
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^

signal bone
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I don't think we're going to know what's in 10.2.6 until it drops

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otherwise why wouldn't they just put it on the roadmap

uncut vault
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Well we do know it's going to have season 4, since it's before 10.2.7 on the roadmap

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so she's likely working on the equivalent to fated for dungeons/raids, I'd say

ember blaze
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Expecting a new hat mog for content.

dry pumice
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So time pirates take over all the raids in Fated this time?

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That's my guess

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With that Infinite Pirate Dragon being the season's mount

deep pawn
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I want more hero talent articles

warm topaz
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i feel like something is coming today?

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lots of people tweeting things

warm topaz
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wow Mike is leaving Blizzard

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and the Survival is canceled

silent urchin
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1900 layoffs across xbox division, largely on actiblizz (not unexpected after a merger, there's a lot of redundant roles and restructuring). Likely that they get at least 6months severance and/or an alternative role offered. Allen Adham is also out, the chief design officer, OG blizz founder, although was elsewhere between 2004 and 2016

deep pawn
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holy crap?

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I wonder if Holly's gonna lead Blizzard now

signal bone
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yeah I hope we get another hero talent article. Surprised we haven't gotten one since the last one, I thought tehy said they wanted all classes out before alpha?

tropic trail
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Haha they fall apart?

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1900 is a lot ain’t gonna lie

deep pawn
warm topaz
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yeah

deep pawn
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1900 is 8% of the entire Microsoft gaming division

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It's pretty sizeable

warm topaz
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thats a lot

deep pawn
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Microsoft as in the entire company had layoffs last year that was 10k, but gaming is a small part of Microsoft

tropic trail
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10k? Jesus

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How many people work there

silent urchin
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221k in microsoft as a whole

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Maybe a bit less now, that's the 2023 figures

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Even after layoffs their overall headcount is still way up on a few years ago. They've expanded stuff like azure solutions massively

deep pawn
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Microsoft is a gigantic company

tulip sun
warm topaz
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i was thinking abt 10.2.6 😭

ember blaze
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Or something along those lines

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But yeah theyve been too slow on revealing more

rain cave
#

the skull flag was the dev team

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seriously though this does suck

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devs are going to be extremely demotivated. Why did they expand the team last year with new hirings and purchases if they were just going to annihilate a giant swathe of people

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and if it's cost cutting execs pay should be first to go

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I'm feeling like Ybarra was sticking with his team and left because of how mad it made him

deep pawn
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I don't know at all, could be he was made redunant or a million other things

rain cave
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also ybarra left as opposed to being layed off I'm pretty sure

ember blaze
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doesnt help that they canceled the survival game so all those people got fired

pulsar minnow
warm topaz
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really? almost all of them were laid off from whar i know

upper pasture
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but let's be real, what's your source for this? is it reliable or is it someone's comment on a social media website?

warm topaz
warm topaz
harsh mason
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No matter how cruel it may look, this is a standard procedure when connecting one company to a larger one. Roughly speaking, they removed the superfluous ones.

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There were too many employees at AB. I think for many who understand how it works, it was expected.

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But for me personally, it was unexpected that Mike left

tropic trail
warm topaz
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it must be so frustrating

tropic trail
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I would write completely something more evil 😈

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Cause that is how I would feel rather than just lie

upper pasture
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that's a good way to ensure you'll never work in the same industry ever again.

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Mike worked 20 years at Xbox, he probably knew his role at blizzard was only until the merger was over and was waiting until it was complete before moving on to another project. it also could be he wants to retire too. we simply don't know. it does however suck for the 1900 people who got let go who were working their dream jobs but sadly sometimes that's how the world goes.

tropic trail
silent urchin
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It's not uncommon for people who are laid off to be offered a replacement role. This still counts as being laid off, the replacement role is technically a different job and stuff like salary, benefits and work requirements may change/ be significantly worse.

tropic trail
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Wait so laid off is not fire you? Is like replace and still pay you?

rain cave
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And it hasn't been superfluous ones, some big creativity got laid off

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Apparently all the unionised workers were unaffected

subtle oar
subtle oar
harsh mason
rain cave
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Being fired also puts the onus on the person, they'll look to replace you probably

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Being laid off your job just doesn't exist

tropic trail
rain cave
tropic trail
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It’s when you get fired or laid off?

rain cave
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I'd rather a job and being paid to unemployed with a 6 month time limit

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Keep in mind a lot of the time getting a new job in this industry means uprooting and moving

subtle oar
tropic trail
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Yes you did lol 😂

subtle oar
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Yeah ok. I see you're just trolling.

worn crown
worn crown
# subtle oar Yeah ok. I see you're just trolling.

I don't think he is trolling. Truly caring about humans well being and feeling deeply for the injustices of this society is something some people simply can't relate, and instead just go like " it's standard industry procedure". We shouldn't normalize things like that.

worn crown
tropic trail
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In this case I suspect that you trolling not me 😌

lone mantle
crystal pond
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some of this is logical and even successful, but the other part is just capitalism being capitalism

silent urchin
#

no blues news yet, kinda ominous

lone mantle
#

Have no fear, mortal. All will be revealed when the time arrives.

warm topaz
silent urchin
#

yeah I'm just wondering if they fired all the wow CMs as well

warm topaz
#

linxy is still there

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she is awesome

deep pawn
#

I'll be crushed if Neth is gone

thin warren
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No news yet about next patch on PTR???????

silent urchin
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It's normally at least a week after the first vendor build

thin warren
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ahah

ember blaze
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Is it this week

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Hoping for new hero talents. Its been way too long.

silent urchin
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hell if I know, they skipped the scheduled posts on friday and today so far, it seems

deep pawn
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Probably dealing with the layoffs fallout

ember blaze
deep pawn
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That team is already tiny

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In df it was like 15 people

rain cave
#

does anyone know if Johanna Faries will be good as president?

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I'm only seeing the CoD and NFL side of her resume online

autumn dagger
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we'll have to wait and see

rain cave
#

just feels strange to have a sport business person as president of blizzard

autumn dagger
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because that's literally her only past experience

autumn dagger
silent urchin
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sport business is still business

rain cave
#

it's blizzard

autumn dagger
#

introducing wowwatch pvp esport revolution

silent urchin
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compared to bobby she's hilariously qualified

rain cave
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under xbox I would have assumed xbox would have dealt with the business side, leaving blizzard to be more art inclined

autumn dagger
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bobby was the CEO, mike was the president

rain cave
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^

autumn dagger
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makes sense for bobby to be detached bc he was in it for the money, the president however I feel should be someone in touch with the core blizz productions not the activision ones

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but we'll see

rain cave
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yeah

silent urchin
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well she's pretty qualified compared to Ybarra as well

autumn dagger
#

I can only hope this doesn't mean scrapping the world saga that's all I'm asking

rain cave
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that plan is already in motion

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and was probably preapproved by xbox in some capacity

autumn dagger
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yeah I guess that makes sense

rain cave
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after all these layoffs won't have come from nowhere I hope

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you'd think the higherups would have at least have a couple years vision in their plans...

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unless they really are that dumb and just culled their workforce before a giant push

autumn dagger
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the layoffs were mainly in the survival game that got canceled and redundant positions but :/

silent urchin
#

survival game sounds like it probably wasn't going to make release to begin with

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although part of that was old exec meddling

rain cave
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but we don't know that with her

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I hope they find a use for the survival games assets

autumn dagger
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from what ppl are saying, survival game had been in dev hell for over 6 years

rain cave
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even if it's literally adding some kind of mapmaking tool thing

silent urchin
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A lot of that was pre-prod/design phase. Although swapping from unreal to an as yet unfinished engine isn't good for releasing on time

rain cave
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crazy the projects that have been either scrapped or severely hamstrung by engine drama

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usually from higher ups pestering

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like anthem, left 4 dead 3, this survival game

autumn dagger
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maybe they just needed someone that had better soft skills and was equipped to better listen to teams/ease their work process without much intervention but she could also be someone that's there just to mindlessly repeat what microsoft execs say

autumn dagger
rain cave
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blizzard needs to do something new, if they can the survival game they won't have any (known) new IP in the works

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industry is in an IP draught in AAA

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old things evolved to the point classic fans don't care/moved on, but also too far deep into the IP that newer players are apathetic

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cultivate some new stuff industry!

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(also stop laying off so much I want a job 💀 )

autumn dagger
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the world is in an IP draught, making new IPs is a high risk, high reward logic that today's investors just don't wanna partake in

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that's why we're flooded with live action remakes and show reboots

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let's hope blizz can finally churn something new but most recent projects have gotten scrapped

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maybe she'll revive hots lol 🤞

deep pawn
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Palword is technically a new IP

rain cave
ember blaze
rain cave
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gamefreak are bad don't get me wrong, they refuse to evolve the franchise ironically. And nintendo probably pushed them to make it 3D when it should have stayed 2D for the core games imo.

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and as a company with one of the largest grossing gaming IP's in the world, they don't seem to do much with it, and what they do is questionable in judgement

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basically if you want good pokemon, palworld isn't that. Things like temtem/cassette beasts exist, spectrobes as well but that's older and requires an emulator

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xD

ember blaze
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Agreed.

warm topaz
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i was thinking abt this, it's so sad 😦

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no new posts since january 24

subtle oar
upper pasture
autumn dagger
deep pawn
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Palworld isn't a Pokemon like game and it's why I haven't bought it.

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It's a survival game with cute animals.

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I find the entire survival genre a tad stupid

silent urchin
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It's definitely weird. You'd have thought the blues news on friday and maybe even the this week in wow today were already done and ready to go when the news hit

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so definitely seems more like there's a pause on comms rather than everyone is just gone

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They sent out the Vial of Endless Draconic Scales today at least, so presumably that should show up on a hotfixes list at some point

deep pawn
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Reminds me of the radio silence when the lawsuit first hit before the walkout

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Probably a lot of frustration and mourning internally

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As much as people move around teams odds are a ton of the people on the survival game had worked on other teams before

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Blizzard has never had an entire game team cut like this before, at least not since 2004.

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Even Ghost and Titan folks were just moved to other projects

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HotS team either quit or transfered

autumn dagger
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microsoft would be absolutely blind not to see the potential in hots

ember blaze
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Never seemed to attract much love

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And then you got way better mobas

autumn dagger
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i find it to be a thousand times more engaging and interesting than LoL

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don't know about dota

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it did attract love, the problem was that instead of trying to fix it and promote it, blizz dropped it completely

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if not there wouldn't have been so much hype on twitter with the last "secret" patch

rain cave
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it attracted a very specific audience

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who actually really loved the game

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but because they wanted it to be the dota/league killer and force esports into it

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it didn't meet their expectations.

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it could have occupied the niche that blizz did before of creating 'better' versions of genres for the general public with easier UX

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like that's what they did with WoW back when it launched, overwatch was meant to be that

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but for some reason that level of casualism isn't allowed anymore

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a MOBA without an obsession over rank, metas and numbers that instead focuses on interesting map objectives that change every match and unique hero interactions, lower skill floor, and characters people recognize? it was a gold mine of an idea

deep pawn
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They've been doing bug fixes and actually did some balance changes last week

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So there's something happening

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I hope that intern didn't get fired

silent urchin
#

SoD though

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I haven't been playing it but that looks like a pretty compelling phase 2

# 
We are experimenting with a new policy which will no longer allow GDKP runs in Season of Discovery. While we understand that there are some benefits for those who find this a convenient way to gain gear, we also recognize that there are concerns surrounding the erosion of traditional guild and social structures that are a part of the spirit of Season of Discovery. Given the experimental nature of Season of Discovery, we want to try things without this type of transaction taking place in this game mode. With the launch on February 8, we will be restricting this activity. We will have more information to share on our official channels and will be monitoring feedback closely.``` Curious how this will work
deep pawn
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ooo

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gdkp wasn't a thing on my server cause we're small but still

hearty marten
#

anyone know if the datamined experience amount for waylaid supply shipments has changed at all?

silent urchin
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new vendor builds for 10.2.6 and 11.0, no sign of ptrs tho

ember blaze
dense plover
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internal vendors

crystal pond
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Alpha 100% in spring

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But not sooner

deep pawn
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I'm expecting Alpha in late March, shortly after 10.2.6 launches

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March 12th or 19th for the patch, Alpha like a week later

#

The timeline puts it at end of winter, start of spring

deep pawn
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good chance today is ptr day!

tulip sun
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That'd be nice, but I am not having high hopes for it being out

deep pawn
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They didn't have a this week post and still dropped all the p2 SoD stuff

ionic terrace
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in other news, my DF beta account is gone, was there yesterday

crystal pond
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Oof

deep pawn
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Likely prep work for alpha

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Clearing out all the old flags

silent urchin
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I guess no PTR today. I expect we'll get a preview article before any PTR

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I would also guess that if they are skipping PTR to keep whatever this patch is hidden, they'd tell us that as well

deep pawn
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still got Friday

ionic terrace
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yeah muffin also tweeted the flag now lol

deep pawn
#

ooooo

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holy crap, when did he become right below Ion?

uncut vault
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When DF first started proper development, iirc

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so during Shadowlands

deep pawn
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ah, for some reason I never noticed the associate game director title before this

deep pawn
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But with the flag tweet odds for tomorrow look very good

upper pasture
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odds of another lay off wave maybe /s

warm topaz
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i think is good that they are taking some time to release 10.2.6

thin warren
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i didn't complete Gilnaes yet, but i'm curious to what comes next

harsh mason
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They have hidden all the content for 10.2.6 on the roadmap. The probability that there will be a ptr of 10.2.6 is approximately 1% lol

crystal pond
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100% there is closed test server but I'm doubt that 10.2.6 ptr will come out
Teaser yes but no public testing

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And its a small patch anyway no?

warm topaz
silent urchin
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Lots of tweets from Muffinus and Holly that reference pirates/10.2.6

warm topaz
#

yep

upper pasture
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That should really not surprise anyone. Lol

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Except for whoever that one guy was who thought we were getting hardcore retail

deep pawn
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Could be the infinite who's salty at us

silent urchin
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no news D:

vernal juniper
warm topaz
#

SoD video came out at 2am in Spain

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so everything is possible since that lmao

ionic terrace
#

pain

warm topaz
#

okay?

#

they are trolling us 😭😭😭

deep pawn
#

Turnip flirting with us

dense plover
#

There was another 11.0 vendor at around that time

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Maybe alpha is starting earlier than we thought? Or at least maybe a dataminable build?

lone mantle
deep pawn
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give ptr nao

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we have a few more hours

ember blaze
warm topaz
#

this is so true

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please give us something tonight

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🙏🙏🙏🙏

deep pawn
#

Odd mmoc has the inside info first teasing. They have kinda fallen from Blizzard's grace lately

vernal juniper
#

what if pirate

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is just an m+affix

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should be lame

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but possible

upper pasture
#

What if pirate is fated theme for S4

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Each raid is invaded by the same temporal pirates from SLs mega dungeon

silent urchin
#

when did mmoc ever have blizzards grace

ember blaze
warm topaz
#

🙂

deep pawn
#

Maybe something went wrong with the build. Sad

deep pawn
#

why all the damn teasing to not release the build

crystal pond
#

Because its a small patch?

austere gazelle
warm topaz
#

no news till at least monday 😢

warm topaz
#

lol

silent urchin
#

It's unclear if it's actually been available since shadowlands or not

#

it was hidden from the journal til 10.2

tropic trail
#

👀

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I think they put it there lol

sleek solar
#

Maybe to pull people back to Shadowlands zones

warm topaz
#

new week new hopes

warm topaz
#

im so excited omg

deep pawn
#

Guess we're getting a video and he's in it

ember blaze
deep pawn
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lol

ionic terrace
#

February 7

(Article) Get an Early Look at Hero Talents for Druid, Hunter, Mage, and Priest
silent urchin
#

that's all, though :(

warm topaz
#

i doubt they put 10.2.6 on those types of articles

deep pawn
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they usually do

warm topaz
#

with "conventional" patches, I doubt 10.2.6 is a conventional patch

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but i could be wrong idk

vernal juniper
#

I think 10.2.6 will be on ptr later at this point

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without the pirate stuff

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but only for testing season 4

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Pirates look like SOD, secret patch at this point.

crystal pond
#

Imagine if there no pirates at all and devs just trolling dracthyr_hehe

silent urchin
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no new content tested on PTR

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Or most of it, at least

#

10.2.6 will be in march, season 4 sometime after

ionic terrace
#

neat

harsh mason
#

As I wrote, that's not why they hid all the information about 10.2.6, so that they could show it on the ptr later

deep pawn
#

It's more than that

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We literally won't get a ptr for that patch until after it's live

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Patch goes live in March with 0 testing and somehow crosses over into classic

silent urchin
#

It sounded like we'd get a PTR, but without any content

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just any client changes

#

could release like secrets of azeroth where it was heavily encrypted

vernal juniper
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kek

deep pawn
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no, 10.2.6 will not have a ptr until after it goes live

vernal juniper
#

yea as I said 10.2.6 pirate stuff not on ptr

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10.2.6 season 4 on ptr

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but it they dont do a globar release this will be a BS for EU cause EU will be have spoilers anyway

deep pawn
#

I do think it's a gamble regardless to release a patch without at least letting addon authors make sure their stuff works

thin warren
#

Everything broken!

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But they ask to bear with them

vernal juniper
#

😂

silent urchin
#

it's just testing hotfix deployment, most likely

warm topaz
#

more 11.0 builds

vernal juniper
#

yeah alpha invites going out soon

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primamy in a week or less

#

usually when they announce invites is always in houds/daus

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*days

warm topaz
#

private alpha?

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like, for family and friends

vernal juniper
#

F&F I guess

#

but this time looks different I mean

#

the alpha can be like the old beta for invites

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with manual flags for streamers

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since beta will be very short

silent urchin
#

iirc they didn';t do much of a F&F for dragonflight, it was opened up to streamers and people who actually report issues pretty quickly

vernal juniper
#

not really

silent urchin
#

Although they've also changed how they did it about 3 times in the past 3 expansions

vernal juniper
#

I mean, I always got early betas and reported hundreds of bugs before shadowlands

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but sl got not beta

silent urchin
#

It doesn't seem to be guaranteed, but it definitely seems to be one of the factors with a fairly big impact

vernal juniper
#

back on legion I think

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beta was guarantideed for players with mythic boss kill

warm topaz
#

what do you think the alpha/beta cycle will be like for this expansion?

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focusing on areas like df? first it was azure span

silent urchin
#

I have a feeling they'll keep quite a bit more of the campaign hidden

vernal juniper
#

it is already different with paid beta

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oh you mean for gameplay not for invites

warm topaz
#

yeah!

warm topaz
silent urchin
#

The way that bit was written makes me suspect that phase of beta will be pretty short

warm topaz
#

if 10.2.6 is not in the PTR it means they have an internal testing team

vernal juniper
#

by a long time now

austere gazelle
#

An event foretold by the old god is starting next patch anyway.

You will follow him to the deep places, the dark water will flows in his wake

Now remember that we don't know , as character, that Xal is behind this, so we will think it'll be iridikron. ( which is most likely being with her anyway )

Xal will use her dark heart to corrupt and use servant to lead her to Khaz Algar , and we will follow her trail.

She will most likely corrupt a pirate fleet and twist them in some kind of nightmarish crew , that will end up on the shores of Pandaria, there, she will again unleash nigthmarish stuff with her black blood resulting in pandamonium, and we will ultimately follow her to the " deep place " that is beneath Khaz Algar, when she will feed the nerubians with the black blood to raise an army

With that many eyes, they will see again! They will drink and be uplifted

silent urchin
#

I'm pretty sure you're putting way more thought into these vague throwaway lines than blizz did

austere gazelle
#

We need a narrative reason to go to Khaz Algar, and , for once, filling the gap before the next xpack with a cohesive series of quests and event leading there is perfectly reasonable instead of directly popping up there.

#

We see pirate flag, then next a reference to panda, and then next expansion.
We are in the Dragon isles, Khaz Algar is west of pandaria. You do the math

#

( and the 10.2.7 is the Dark heart and the harbinger quest as presented in their roadmap so it'll be about us discovering that Xal is behind and what she is doing with the Dark Heart, so its reasonable to say that 10.2.6 will be the first event about her usage of that stuff and us trying to discover what's going on, leading to 10.2.7 , and since it's a pirate flag, its probably related to pirates )

harsh mason
austere gazelle
silent urchin
#

there was definitely some creepy water when you dropped down, it even tried to kill you

#

There's also at least one other thing that dark heart could refer to

pulsar minnow
#

I’m pretty sure “follow him” refers to Sarkareth

#

And since he was a distraction, Iridikron was able to forge and alliance with the Infinite and get his hands on the primal hunger Iridikron possessed

#

And since now that is in the hands of Xal, the dark waters will flow.

crystal pond
austere gazelle
#

yes I corrected it after but not in the quote ^^

austere gazelle
crystal pond
#

The quote also can relate to the war within

#

Cause we will go to the deep places and like
Probably because of iridikron

#

Because surprise
Nobody know about xalatat yet

#

Xalathat

#

Ffs hold up

austere gazelle
#

That's exactly this. The Xal reveal will happen in 10.2.7

crystal pond
#

*xal'atath

austere gazelle
crystal pond
#

No way

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Ffs it will be only in may

#

Question is alpha will be like public or it will be like with df when only some people are got acces to it? And only beta will be public

austere gazelle
#

they changed how they are testing their stuff, before there was like 3 month of alpha or more and 6 month of beta, now it's 3 month of beta and before it's just alpha

#

so they will defo invite ppl into alpha

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the beta is now just a sort of " public press stuff/ stress test " to hype for the release

crystal pond
#

And fix things
Because I remember df beta
It was broken af

#

Lauches are always broken because hype is high
But df didn't have those stupid bugs that beta did have

upper pasture
crystal pond
#

I mean
Does every major character know this?

#

Alleria know this because she literally a void lady

upper pasture
#

I mean? Every major character? Unlikely.

crystal pond
#

Player character know about this because we are the ones who freed her in the first place ahaha

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Oops

#

So we did knew that we will meet her again

#

Khadgar knows because its a freaking khadgar

#

For him to not know something oh comon

upper pasture
#

Khadgar knows because the Alleria part of her telling them has already happened

austere gazelle
upper pasture
#

and? they were claiming we "they" didn't know about the harbringer. they do.

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
#

Oh good lord

upper pasture
#

"major" lore characters. i'm not claiming everyone and their mother knows. but a few know like khadgar/alleria/Noz/kalec. safe to assume if the meeting between khadgar and alleria has happened then likely the higher ups in dalaran know. and if Noz and kalec know then the other leaders of the dragonflight know

tepid fiber
austere gazelle
#

What I said is that nobody knows its Xal'atath behind what is about to happen. Nobody knows Xal is the harbinger, and nobody knows what is the role of the harbinger yet.

So knowing the existence of an Harbinger doesn't link it automatically about the stuff that's about to go down.

As far as they know , the Harbinger can be a random dreadlord. :p

#

Those heroes of Azeroth had their share of self proclamed prophet or stuff that ended up being completely dull

warm topaz
#

new Hero Talents!!

silent urchin
#

oracle seems garbage

#

not that they actually explained premonition

#

which is the entire point of the thing

warm topaz
#

well they are open to rework the trees

#

so thats good

silent urchin
#

Unless they're nerfing PI even further into the ground then it feels like a flat downgrade but then just a bunch of bloody awkward stuff to give it extra effects that still aren't any good

deep pawn
#

premonition is a trash ability

warm topaz
#

have you seen the mage one?

silent urchin
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it also just.. barely interacts with the specs at all

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I know bsically nothing about mage

deep pawn
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I like frostfire

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Love it actually

warm topaz
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i hope that when they open the alpha they invite people to try the talents

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it's the best way to give them feedback

silent urchin
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honestly I'd rather just get 10 more regular talent points without any changes to the talent trees

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the only one I like is the one that improves power word: life

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10 minutes into the video interview and we finally get to HOW DOES THE CORE OF THE TREE ACTUALLY WORK

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Apparently you press the button, it starts rotating which buff you'd give, then you press it again to pick

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who the fuck came up with that

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Not to mention that phys OR magic is trash for so many specs

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like 2/3 rogue specs? Both DKs. Even hunter does quite a bit of magic

deep pawn
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they literally are giving mm even a ton of shadow damage

warm topaz
upper pasture
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Isn’t that how blessings of seasons worked originally too?

warm topaz
deep pawn
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Jak had no context about that ability at all, me neither cause who plays league

subtle oar
austere gazelle
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I'm dreading the DH one, since inspiration for that spec is kinda lacking, we will get a mix of old talents reworked with new graphics

dense plover
austere gazelle
worn crown
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The names of the DH Hero talents hints more Fel, but I think it would be interesting to have some Shadow. If memory serves me well, Illidan had quite a bit of Shadow attacks in BT.

warm topaz
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oh wait is this channel lol

tepid fiber
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Steve Danuser? According to what?

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🤨

silent urchin
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according to absolutely no evidence

warm topaz
upper pasture
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I mean he hasn’t been the narrative director since Nov but that doesn’t mean he’s “leaving” blizzard. Could have just be shuffled into another role

warm topaz
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oh yeah, you are right, mb

tepid fiber
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The article is wrong too. It says he left Blizzard but he didn't. Just left the position of narrative director like lehrdaniel said

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I'd stop using this website as a source material

warm topaz
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i will delete it so as not to misinform people

warm topaz
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sorry for that

ember blaze
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He finally left that position? dracthyr_pog

upper pasture
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you mean the thing that happened like 3 months ago? yeah he "left" it

subtle oar
worn crown
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For me, everyone keeps hating him because it is trendy
The real culprit of Sylvanas mess is Afrabiasi

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HE was in charge in the beginning of BfA, and he clearly wanted to turn Sylvanas into Garrosh 2.0 (I'm not bother to link interviews and quotes from him at the time)
But we all know why Blizz dismissed Afrabiasi "silently" mid BfA, so Danuser had to do what he could to "salvage" Sylvanas, because Blizz then realised what a poor choice it would be to discard her

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Yeah, the main plot of SL was terrible, but the lore regarding the covenants and a lot of SL characters was amazing
Also, Danuser was in charge in the beginning of DF, and it was a fine job

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Now we have everyone cheering since Mezten is back and Danuser is "gone" from this position, but everyone also forgets that while Metzen is the creator of WC / WoW lore, he also made a f*ckton of poor choices through the years that people choose to ignore

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In the next xpacs (mainly the ones after WW), when Metzen uses some concepts introduced by Danuser (you can bet he will), people will gladly ignore Danuser and keep claiming Metzen as an irreproachable genius

tepid fiber
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Latam social media is blowing up from that same article Taukken posted earlier about Danuser leaving Blizzard, and any non-Spanish/PT sources keep citing that same article as their source. I can't find anything from legitimate sources about him actually leaving Blizzard which is insane

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@worn crown All good rational, reasonable, and objective points btw

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Sensationalist negativity and hype train bandwagoning is so fucking toxic

subtle oar
austere gazelle
# worn crown Now we have everyone cheering since Mezten is back and Danuser is "gone" from th...

Metzen did poor choices, but he apologized for it and didn't dismiss people opinion into some lame excuses that could fit the lore such as " PoV ". He didn't say " oh yeah we made a mess but its opportunity to adapt it into current lore even if that doesnt make sense " ( wasnt Danuser who said that, though )

For the Eredar retcon, he was sorry to the point he made public apologies, such a move would never be considered by Danuser's team
And I think that's why Metzen is more appreciated than Danuser, Metzen respects players and their opinion and don't brush it off while laughing at them for their ignorance
But as years have passed, I hope he will keep the same mindset and that it didnt changed

harsh mason
silent urchin
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trying to resolve inconsistencies in a narratively satisfying manner is not a bad thing

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They also didn't say that's their only approach, just one thing they try and do

austere gazelle
silent urchin
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iirc the question assumed there already were some, something like "How do you fix mistakes?"

tepid fiber
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"Just don't make mistakes and do it perfect the first time" is a perfectly reasonable expectation to have 🤡

crystal pond
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Well blizzard didn't do a very terrible mistakes with BFA
Lore was weird because there was literally to much of everything for the one expansion and because of this lore/content too much dailies come out from this
Dailies aren't bad but that huge amount that BFA had - this is bad
SL was bad because obviously pandemic poor time for everyone and they tried to experiment with stuff (and people went crazy and start harassing devs) and because of SL alot of stuff was removed and reworked

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Imo I actually enjoyed BFA but those dailies was so terribly bad

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Like
DF was good (though the main plot is bad) because BFA and SL was poor

rain cave
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narrative director is a really precarious role fr

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so rare to get just the right fit for it

harsh mason
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The narrative in an mmo like WoW is generally the craziest thing. Let's be objective, the same BC, WRATH, CATA in terms of plot are generally no better than other expansions

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Like a story arc with Kael

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Or schizophrenia with the massacre of the alliance and the horde right during the ICC siege

rain cave
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it becomes an issue when narrative directors start running up against internal meddling as well as playing hot potato with the role

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because at its heart the narrative director should be trying to point things towards an interpretation/vision for the narrative. Obviously.

but if you start swapping people out, having conflicting visions, you really start struggling to tell a compelling story because the intent is changing all the time.

harsh mason
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You either make an mmo or a game with a plot. Someone will give an example of Star wars The old republic, but as an mmo, it's a terrible game

rain cave
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it's tough

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I'd prefer they stick through cringier plotpoints but be earnest and see it through to its full vision than try and pivot constantly

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cringe but heartfelt and real is where some of the best stuff ends up coming from anyway

deep pawn
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FF14 is a MMO with a plot

rain cave
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too bad it's final fantasy

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the franchise with plot issues

silent urchin
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The plot of FF is very simple

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it is basically always attack and dethrone god

austere gazelle
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His Blizzard timeline end up in november 2023 on linkedin

tepid fiber
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May have, but there's still no official word from any party and all of this is based on speculation and a mistranslation from a Spanish fan site

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Based on something that's already over three months old

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
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Considering all of the other names that have been mentioned exiting, someone who has been there for nearly a decade in a high profile position

upper pasture
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don't they usually go into "silent mode" when working on the next expansions too?

tepid fiber
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And I'm not brushing it off as fake, I'm espousing the lack of any actual formal or official notice

upper pasture
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like they usually don't get credited roles until the expansion is actually upon us

tepid fiber
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This is literally a perfect example of sensationalist rumor because the only cited source is a Spanish fan site, and everyone else reporting it is using the same Spanish fan site as their original source

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Even if it turns out to be true, there's no official word or formal statement so all this is is rumor

austere gazelle
tepid fiber
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He was fired in July 2020 due to the internal investigations from the sexual harassment scandal and it was stated as such by Blizzard. False equivalency

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Blizzard confirmed that he was fired

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He didn't silently quit

tepid fiber
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STO is an MMO with a plot

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Destiny 2 is an MMO with a plot

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Even EVE Online has an actual setting story and plot

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What MMOs don't have a plot?

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Why do people like to just say things?

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Ffs even Ultima and Runescape have a plot

crystal pond
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If mmo don't have any plot its just a kfs game or game made for kids

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even mmo shooters sometimes have a plot just to make people be interested in the game

harsh mason
# tepid fiber GW2 is an MMO with a plot

Em... That's not what I'm talking about. There is a plot everywhere, I talked about how this plot is presented. As an example, I have given 2 story arcs from two old exp

tepid fiber
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GW2 also has numerous smaller and long-term plotlines ranging from the independent struggles of the various nations, individual criminal or cult enterprises, and dozens of developing character arcs while still taking elements from older stories from the original Guild Wars, expansions, and Living Story seasons to connect to larger world and cosmos aspects over time. There's no difference. The World Dragon sagas, the Krytan civil war, expanding onto the lore of the gods and the Mists, etc

deep pawn
silent urchin
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Yeah, sounds like he got done in by the RTO order

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devolore talked about it a bit on one of his recent streams, although also said he never really dealt with the narrative team much

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But he did confirm that Afrasiabi dictated basically all the story up to shadowlands release, and he never really planned or wrote anything down, so the rest of shadowlands was just trying to salvage what was already a pretty unpopular story

warm topaz
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ty Kyle ❤️

lone mantle
tropic trail
lone mantle
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Alex Afrasiabi is no longer with Blizzard Entertainment.

tropic trail
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Hahahah

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Ok that’s good then lol 😆

austere gazelle
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yeah so I was right and @tepid fiber jumped the shark

austere gazelle
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However, Danuser did show enjoyment for this narrative with dubious tweet and reference that shown that he was fully set in and in phase with set narrative without trying to change it somehow

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And no, this spanish site was right and there was no mistranslation and was based on coherent fact and resonable speculations that, indeed, were proven true

tepid fiber
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And Danuser speaking to a source is more reliable than random crap

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We just know now for sure

tropic trail
austere gazelle
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no, for all expack

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expansion are planned a few years before they are released, to make tame to generate assets, cinematic, and such

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the plot is defined long before and since the dev are made according to the plot, it can barely change after , or it leads to mess like shadowlands

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the next expansions are different cause they will all be developed at the same time

crystal pond
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Will not be surprised if Danuser show "enjoyment" Because he was forced to do it or for profits on the job

vernal juniper
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10.2.6 build 1 hour ago?

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strange

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like 10 am in NA

crystal pond
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Huh?
10.2.6 online?

vernal juniper
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no encrypted

thin warren
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😮

harsh mason
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Don't get your hopes up, no one will let players dig into the patch build.

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Considering that they keep the content of the patch a secret

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And they have already said that it will be something similar to SoD

deep pawn
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They said they want it to be a surprise and that it's something you can do without DF

upper pasture
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they said, all verisons of WoW iirc

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"For the 10.2.6 patch for Dragonflight, we created what we think is a unique event inspired by past musings from the community. We can say that it is open to anyone with a WoW subscription if they want to participate (Classic or Dragonflight players). "

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can't wait to see what they mean.

uncut vault
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I don’t think that means something in the classic client, just that the base subscription means you can play it

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Since the base sub gives both retail and classic

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It’s code for “you don’t need to purchase Dragonflight to play it” more than anything else, I think

upper pasture
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yeah, probably something that doesn't require being max level

uncut vault
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That it’ll be in the old world somewhere

upper pasture
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but it's more of the "open to anyone with a sub. classic or dragonflight" is what makes me wonder why they would go out of their way to define the two accounts.

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man, i still am hopeful for the day we get achievements accountwide across all verisons of WoW.

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i'd just love for HC/SoD/all verisons of classic to have achievements.

fast gate
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I just hope it is something more than some standard quest dailies to grind to get points to buy some transmorgs.... i mean, that stuff is okay, but if they are going to keep it a secret like this, than i hope it is something new, in more than just a new item type of way

austere gazelle
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legion invasion , but with pirates

austere gazelle
dense plover
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I hope it’s a return to island expeditions but with new rewards and longer form instead of being short

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Maybe even making them soloable

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I want them to be the treasure hunts they promised

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I’m honestly hoping that’s what delves are

austere gazelle
dense plover
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Like - a mix of island expeditions, and niffen digs with maybe a pinch of the vaults we got in 10.1.5 or whatever

fast gate
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I know am one of like a dozen people, but I like WarFronts, and am still kind of bum that they abandon those.

warm topaz
tepid fiber
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If there had been more than two I'm sure they would have been more popular

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Or at least added a random queue option

fast gate
# warm topaz https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/1754942579567951991

Yeah, saw that quote before. But I know what i consdier 'new' and what blizzard does, is very different. Am pretty sure they consider all the patch stuff they added in DF to be new. Even though, they kind of operate the same. Go to point on the world map, fight mobs / do some quest, fill a bar, than fight a boss.

deep pawn
tepid fiber
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Not everyone, just vocal complainers

dense plover
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i honestly just wanted the updated zones

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they shouldve updated darkshore more

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arathi had new ground and sky textures and new trees

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darkshore didnt

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and most people are pretty sure the next one was southern barrens i think

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which couldve used the update tbh

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either that or the swamp area with theramore

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either wouldve been pretty cool

tepid fiber
# dense plover and most people are pretty sure the next one was southern barrens i think

It was Southern Barrens but it didn't make it out of the alpha internal prototype stage, featuring Alliance at Fort Triumph assaulting the Great Gate to Mulgore with the Horde in Desolation Hold: https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Southern_Barrens_warfront

Warcraft Wiki
Southern Barrens warfront

An unnamed Southern Barrens warfront was experimented upon by Blizzard Entertainment for the release of Battle for Azeroth. It was a very early internal prototype, which served as a test bed before any of the new areas were created. It would have involved the Alliance attacking the Great Gate to Mulgore, and many unused NPC IDs were added for it...

harsh mason
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I still think that the final boss of the BfA should have been Azshara, and Nzoth in the next expansion

crystal pond
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At least void got its own expac

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*will get
But i mean already have cause world soul saga

austere gazelle
crystal pond
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I mean the main plot will be about void anyway

austere gazelle
crystal pond
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Everything around it its a different story

subtle oar
harsh mason
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Often this is absolutely not a fair attitude

subtle oar
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I'll never forgive Blizz for not giving us that Barrens Warfront

tepid fiber
# harsh mason Often this is absolutely not a fair attitude

Gamers like to be dramatic and use emotionally charged language and hyperbole quite often. It gives the false impression that their arguments, complaints, and criticisms seem more legitimate regardless of the point being made or any actual legitimacy. Disproportionate responses are very common in current discourse, especially through the pseudoanonymity that online mediums provide

pulsar minnow
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Bai’s got a point tho, the expansion felt self contained to two islands, and while they tried to expand it beyond that it ultimately failed

tepid fiber
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Allarem brought it up?

pulsar minnow
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No but to discredit someone’s point because they have emotion behind their opinion doesn’t make a lotta sense

tepid fiber
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Not discrediting, just highlighting that it happens. Again, Allarem brought it up so I was elaborating

pulsar minnow
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Sure man

tepid fiber
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I don't see why you're being argumentative or dismissive. You even acknowledged that it's a thing that happens by saying I'm "explaining the internet"

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I think you might be applying a tone or intent that I'm not trying to make

warm topaz
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guys, when do you think they will announce 10.2.6 officially?

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like a trailer/cinematic/article of things coming

deep pawn
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A week before

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It's not a season ending patch so it needs minimal warning

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I doubt we'll get more than the patch date

fast gate
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Yeah, they are keeping it off the PTR, so it seems like they'll want it to be a surprise. I agree with KyleEverett, we'll probably get a release date a week before, and then the blue post with details on the day of

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Hopefully they understand that this level of secret-ish is a double edge sword. If people feel the patch was too little, they'll be more upset that blizzard went out of their way to play it up (by keeping it a secret).

austere gazelle
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the double edge sword is also the bugs. if it's kept secret but ends up full of bugs it'll end up on a fumble

deep pawn
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Here's hoping it turns out well haha

terse anvil
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Shouldn’t be a ton of bugs since it’s a fated season

cosmic beacon
austere gazelle
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I'm pretty sure they'll launch the fated season stuff on PTR after the event

warm topaz
silent urchin
deep pawn
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I mean not like the DF book was anywhere close to release

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No news this week I guess

warm topaz
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the This Week in WoW post?

deep pawn
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yeah

warm topaz
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i've seen that post late night

upper pasture
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Haven’t we also seen it not on Mondays too

silent urchin
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Yes, but that's been either post holiday or post layoffs, for the most part

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Apparently today is presidents day?

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It's a federal holiday so they might be off

upper pasture
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Indeed it is

deep pawn
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oh right, the holiday only some corporations recognize

upper pasture
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yup, and it's never in favor of the workforce lol. i remember working in restaurants on the "holiday" delaying our payday AND not actually being a "holiday" that gives us holiday pay.

dense plover
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its a school holiday, so companies with lots of parents tend to have the day off

crystal pond
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But hey goblins playing role in future cool

crystal pond
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Now shorts are paid (not for free) btw

harsh mason
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It's a book with about 224 pages, that's why it's paid