beta-ptr-spoilers

[rain cave]

dragonriding feels so much better, mount up, landing, the feel, momentum, etc

[upper pasture]

But if DR is still faster I’ll always take DR over old world flying

[rain cave]

my only annoyance with dragonriding is that sometimes I just want to get somewhere

like getting to forbidden reach felt like a pain in the ass

[upper pasture]

Flight paths

[rain cave]

I feel bad using flight paths

feels like I'm bein inefficient

[upper pasture]

Why, that’s what they were originally put in the game for

[rain cave]

because they don't fly the optimal path

they stop at the other flight paths along the way

and they're slower

and cost gold

[upper pasture]

So is old world flying

[rain cave]

old world flying you just point yourself directly at whatever you're going to

0 wasted time

[upper pasture]

You can do that with DR tho too

And be faster

[rain cave]

not really, got to actively keep your mind on the energy

and the momentum

refresh blue buff whenever it goes down

[upper pasture]

Not if you get high up and aim slightly down

[rain cave]

maintain pitch control

since I've noticed that if you're slightly pitched down that doesn't work

you still lose speed

you have to be at a noticeable decline to maintain speed

[silent urchin]

there are angles that work fine

[rain cave]

yeah just requires more mental capacity

whilst I like dragonriding, it's more interactive

I also like to take a breather sometimes lmao

sometimes I just to go somewhere

relaxed

[upper pasture]

Okay

[rain cave]

but also at 100% efficency because my brain hates inefficiency

it's why I absolutely refuse to not have scavenger in my CoD loadouts for example

literally since over 10 years ago

it's why when I'm dragon riding I'm constantly making sure my angle's right, minmaxing my button presses

I'm just self destructive inconclusion

🙃

[rain cave]

oh wait

what's augmentation's tier set going to be like

loving what I'm seeing so far

just imagining how crazy they're going to get with tier sets

[rain cave]

this is one of the abilities I imagine is going to get changed a LOT because I cannot see it going live

since people have to actively look out for these orbs and go for them

means you'll get races of people trying to grab them who do notice them, which could mean lost DPS and salty players, or people ignore them and it's a dead talent

[upper pasture]

10 seconds to major abilities is op but if it gets changed to say movement abilities it's meh

[rain cave]

I'd probably just make it so that those essence abilities build up stacks that when you use ebon might applies this buff to those who receive the ebon might

and keep the dps part

because fuck it lets just embrace it

[proper palm]

I can't imagine this + the new legendary buff

[tulip sun]

@uncut vaultSee the warlock quest yet?

It is honestly good (imo). Kind of makes me feel a lot better about the new combos

[dense plover]

whats the dealio?

explain the quest plz

[tulip sun]

i have a lot of photos if u want or just the description?

[subtle oar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonriding-in-patch-10-1-5-old-world-more-mounts-and-flight-styles-332944?page=3#comments

Am sad no Noodle mounts are in the list of mounts

[tulip sun]

The warlock player is summonsed by a mysterious Madam Shadow and her servent, Phineas. She seemingly has taken over the darkmoon faire- when you arrive it is full of demons, herself, and a bunch if warlock initiates. You are there to "help train them"

Here you are tasked to talk to all the initiates and find out why they are there- all new warlock combos are represented, except Mag'har.

When she is ready to begin she notices the Draenei initiate is missing, so the player goes and finds him learning more about why he is doing what he is doing. The Draenei is suspicious of Madam Shadow because she is sending the initiates to a specific spot alone to practice summoning

You investigate, discover that Madam Shadow is a recurring Dreadlord I will not name unless you want. All the Initiates are killed, along with the Draenei- but thanks to you, the Draenei did his soulstone or whatever correctly so he revives. Loses his golden eyes and has fel ones now.

That is where it abruptly ends.

If you wanna see dialogue of the people explaining what their reasonings are lemme know

@dense plover

The draenei one is particularly interesting/good imo

[dense plover]

do want the name plz

[tulip sun]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Banehollow?so=search

He has a very big grudge against Azeroth warlocks so he has been collecting their souls

[dense plover]

oh

cool

also fel eyes means that might be a player customization

i hope so

wait

they added the new class

but you cant actually make those new race/class combos

[tulip sun]

They apparently are just the recent dragon eyes being put to good use

I didnt notice the pupils

[tulip sun]

This is the max level questline I think where you get the imp customization

[dense plover]

oh

ok

i figured they would just reuse the eredar eyes or the DH eyes

[rain cave]

oh so draenei get new customizations too?

this is what I've been waiting for since legion

🤝

[tulip sun]

Nah

Don't bet on that

[rain cave]

he says the draenei has fel eye

[tulip sun]

It'd technicall7 draconian. But it works for fel well enough

[rain cave]

tbf it does look like eye of kilrogg too

[tulip sun]

@dense plover

If you are interested. I won't post all 20 dialpgues of all combos but

I really do like Oman's response

[dense plover]

ooooo

i like that

[rain cave]

interesting

thought it would have been more like "we fought the legion for so long, now that they're gone we need to know what they could do, we must study their magic so we can better stop and contain any remnants of the legion" or somesuch

[tulip sun]

It really makes me feel better about the warlocks. I was very against it at first announcement

[worn crown]

As a DH player, I do like this new warlock and demons resurgence. Seems DH still have a bit of a job to do with the demons left around 😛

[rain cave]

DH still get a good salary from being doormen

[tulip sun]

The only thing about the quest I'm a bit eh on is the...absence of Mag'har. They were the other race I was worried about, along with Draenei

[rain cave]

making sure no nathrezim getting into the nightclubs of stormwind

what do the tauren say?

[tulip sun]

If you want others just ask. Just didn't wanna bombardment with dozens of pics

@rain cave

[rain cave]

coolio

even if I wish they'd explain a bit more

[tulip sun]

Other than the Draenei they are a bit more generic, but still

[rain cave]

I think the most frustrating thing tbh is the lack of spell diversity to back these up

we have greenfire sure

[rain cave]

but imagine the lightforged being able to mix some of that light in

[tulip sun]

This is probably the other semi interesting one

[rain cave]

she mad

[tulip sun]

They 100% focused on Oman because they knew people would really question Draenei compared to others

[rain cave]

I mean

dialogue could change over ptr

[tulip sun]

Oman is the focus of the questline

Others just talk once or twice

[rain cave]

ah fair enough

[tulip sun]

God now I kind of want a draenei warlock

[rain cave]

Eredar

A true sargerei

[dense plover]

permanently feels weird

ive never seen temporary rep

[ionic terrace]

hm

[pulsar minnow]

Did the augment questline. We save adamanthia

[crystal pond]

Oh, she is alive? :o

Cool

[pulsar minnow]

yeah, almost wondering if they'll make her aspect, but ofc highly doubt it based on the datamined icon of the new aspect

nose ring makes me think ebyssian

[crystal pond]

fix writing of Ebyssian i swear

I hope they will not kill wrathion for that

[upper pasture]

that's not an image of the black dragon aspect. it's literally just an evoker

and on top of that it looks nothing like Ebyssian

[crystal pond]

In megadungeon there will our five proto-dragon-future-aspects buddies

[vocal sparrow]

there's a quest about the new warlock combos?

[pulsar minnow]

Bruh

That is most definitely not an evoker

The icon name is literally "Black Aspect's Favor"

There's another one with Noz called "Bronze Aspect's Favor"

And yes, it looks nothing like current Ebyssian's dragon form. Why? Because he currently uses the generic black dragon model that every other dragon uses.

[crystal pond]

Also dont forget it can be just a fancy name how it was with sabellian spell

[pulsar minnow]

True, but seeing as how this is labeled Black Aspect's Favor and it's depicted numerous times next to Noz I'd say it's a safe bet

Dragon forms tend to carry over jewelry and such from their humanoid forms to make them more recognizable. We saw with Wrathion's new model he got gold bands on his horns to resemble his earrings. Ysera has her moon circlet, Noz has his beard. You get it. Ebyssian's piece of jewelry is his nose ring

[upper pasture]

im not saying Ebyssian isn't going to be the aspect but like hardly see how one icon on the ptr that could possibly be a placeholder means it's 1000% for sure.

[crystal pond]

In all of that i am really in fear to wrathion and what writers are up to after zaralek writing

[pulsar minnow]

They're not gonna kill Wrathion, there's literally no reason for that

[pulsar minnow]

I think it's enough. Brand new icon with a brand new dragon depicted. Is also included in another icon with Noz called "Aspects Favor," seems to line up. Like why would you make two icons with a brand new placeholder dragon

Regardless that dragon is not Wrathion so whatever happens we know for sure Wrathion isn't gonna be the aspect.

And maybe you dont agree but that dragon looks a lot like Ebyssian to me

[crystal pond]

ebyssian becoming an aspect

[pulsar minnow]

Wrathion doesn't need to die for Ebyssian to become aspect

[crystal pond]

Because community want wrathion become an aspect

[pulsar minnow]

Sure but that's not a reason to kill Wrathion. Wrathion can still exist alongside Ebyssian even if he isn't aspect

[crystal pond]

They pushed his progress in bfa down so i will be not surprised if they will kill him for something

"Making great sacrifice so everybody will live"

And blah blah

[pulsar minnow]

People might cry about it. Sure I'm not a fan of Wrathion's writing either, but Ebyssian is still a great choice for aspect

As long as it isn't Emberthal or Sabellian I'm happy.

Emberthal becoming aspect would be so incredibly stupid that i'm not even considering it really

I do think it’s really funny that the dragon who was invented last minute to replace Wrathion in the highmountain storyline ends up replacing Wrathion as aspect though.

[crystal pond]

They need to give wrathion cool role too
Because even when he failed to become an aspect he still will have determination to protect azeroth
And i dont think its in his character to follow commands from others

[solar veldt]

My vote goes to Ebyssian, Aspects need a tauren in their group

[harsh mason]

Well, the description of the fight with Blight of Galakrond hints that Iridikron may have been a product of Galakrond energy, like the other three. But the other three are obviously dead. So the current Incarnations received the power of the elements and ascended after the death of these three:

"These primal dragons were brought back by the necrotic energies dripping from the corpse of Galakrond. Ahnzon is the crackling hunger of the storm. Dazhak the all-consuming gluttony of the flame. Loszkeleth the seeping starvation of the cold. And the heroes of Azeroth are looking like a tasty meal..."

[frozen zealot]

Iam sure since we’ve got Tyr coming back (unsure by the concept art if there’s two of him a good one and an infinite one) but if that is indeed the case iam sure at some point Tyr will explain to both Wrathion and Sabellian why they weren’t chosen & the two will be humbled by what he tells them

[harsh mason]

That's not he chooses. I think it's understandable why none of them is worthy of being an aspect. Infinity Tyr is an alternative Tyr, no more

[crystal pond]

To be fair none of three are worthy as independent Aspect
But together they are worthy

Because it's disgusting when writers intentionally make a character likable by writing other characters bad

Especially when there is a character near it that have a good development

[austere gazelle]

Imo Ebyssian seems worthy because he's not wanting Neltharion's heritage, and that's what the black dragonflight needs.
Ebyssian understood what this lineage was about, the other two are discovering it and Sarkareth was probably the moment of reveal that'll open their eyes

Despite the recent turns of event , Ebyssian has always seems.. " detached " by Neltharion's power and heritage and shown little interest in it, and that's why he deserve to be the black Aspect.

Sabellian would continue his father's legacy and was under the influence of the OG and Neltharion at some point, and Wrathion is still a bit immature

That's always have been the case for Wrathion, since the beginning, its even in his name

Imo Wrathion might end up not wanting the seat after having his dream and perception about his father's legacy shattered. It's like a child's dream that meet reality and end up shattered. He won't loose the race, he'll drop it at some point. there was a small glimpse about it when he recognized that Ebyssian advice were always on point and useful

[little hound]

I have to say that Ebyssian Is the only worthy In my eyes.
Sabellian and Wrathion both faced Aberrus while whining and biting at eachother's words. They were children during their most crucial moments, that Is not an aspect's dignity.

Ebyssian provided wisdom, council and brought allies to aid them both.

[austere gazelle]

And he's trying to unite the black Dragon's family too.

Dracthyr, the new Drake mount race, etc. That's what an Aspect would do

It's funny that the Dracthyr story mirrors the black dragonflight's.
Emberthal doesnt care about heritage, just wants to unite the Dracthyr's, while Sarkareth is just crying about Neltharion's heritage all the time and rush into Aberrus whil Emberthal shrug and say " fuck this shit "
Ebyssian did the exact same thing and Wrathion and Sabellian did a Sarkareth too

Only difference, Sarkareth won the race and died because of it, under the eyes of Sabellian and Wrathion who might have learnt the lesson

[plain violet]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=412555/path-of-the-naaru

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=206195/path-of-the-naaru

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=413413/glyph-of-the-shathyar

[brave nymph]

i'm sorry what

why blizzard, why

[harsh mason]

The alliance and the horde will have the penultimate boss different (well, only a model). Alliance- Grommash, Horde-Anduin Lothar

[crystal pond]

I agree with this
But the problem in 10.1 is a fact that bfa wrathion never happened (growth? What growth?) and Ebyssian being perfect and aggressive(?) toward Wrathion (like their interactions in bfa never happened)
Like wtf why

Because in bfa Ebyssian was 🤌
He was so good and he was always get slapped by nzoth

[jade spade]

What's this for?

[silent urchin]

Megadungeon. Second to last boss is a first war era battlefield

Although also an alternate timeline

it's got a very incomplete journal, at least for alliance

[harsh wedge]

What does it mean for cross faction groups ?

Will it take the majority (ie 3 ally 2 hordes => against horde) ?

[silent urchin]

Don't know. Maybe group leader.

[jade spade]

Yeah, was about to say. Very weird choice, given they're mostly dissolving faction splits

[harsh wedge]

If it's the group leader, what happens if you change group leader in middle of dungeon ? Or if you do the horde boss once, change group leader, will it change the boss ?
If it's majority, what happens if one boss is significantly easier than the other ? If the group is 2 horde 2 alliance, will people not invite alliance (or horde) just to have the correct one ?

While it could have been great before cross faction, it just seems weird nowadays

Random one each week would be better I guess, but looking at freehold this season (and tjs last season) they seem to not like random boss and just choose one

[jade spade]

As for the last bit of this block - it seems they're the same boss, just reskinned?

[harsh wedge]

If they have the same abilities and it's just their apparence, then no problem I guess

[vernal juniper]

is there any way to move dragon island resources between alts?

[harsh mason]

Most likely just their echoes

[crystal pond]

Is megadungeon will be playable soon on ptr?

Or we need wait again a little

[silent urchin]

not open yet, maybe next week I guess

[harsh mason]

One boss can't be easier than the other, they differ only in models and effects(as it was in the bfa)

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=414045/holding-whelp-wrathion

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-speech-bubble-speech-discord-gif-25192162

Wrathion will be like that in quest

100%

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=414157/toss-whelp-wrathion

Yeet the child

[clear parrot]

Toss a coin to your aspect

[vernal juniper]

what is this about tnaxxa rewamp?

[timber shadow]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/72772-corrupted-ashbringer-returning-in-patch-1015/

This is big

[rain cave]

it mentions another timeline and says best not to touch it though

makes me wonder if it's a tease/ quest item from the rifts

[crystal pond]

There is alot of "time-lost items" In 10.1.5 patch

[silent urchin]

one of said rifts is one where the scourge won

[cosmic beacon]

Getting back crafted gear from naxx is awesome

[edgy ivy]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/quest=76406/the-sins-of-the-ashbringer

[rain cave]

so I was right? or am I missing something xD

also what the dynamics of this lmao, the implication that there's a bronze dragon who is also oldgoddy but not infinite

[harsh mason]

It's just one of her versions in one of the many timelines

[silent urchin]

I don't think you're meant to overthink it

[rain cave]

for sure

just funny how the implication is that there's some kind of black empire ruled civilization, that still has gnomes (titan origin race) and a bronze dragonflight (titan originated as well)

in one of the timelines

[harsh mason]

Just Chromie accepted the gift of Nzoth

This could have happened in BfA

I'm very glad they didn't make a human skelet for Vyranoth

Because in cinematics it might seem

[rain cave]

vyranoth has nightborne skeleton doesn't she?

[harsh mason]

Either them or the orc female

[deep pawn]

she shares the winter queen skeleton no?

[harsh mason]

Winter Queen has a human skelet

[upper pasture]

Am I high or did blizzard announce they are gonna announce something when RWF is over?

Like I vaguely remember something being said but I don’t remember

[cosmic beacon]

[upper pasture]

Oh, maybe that was the WoW classic stream thingy tomorrow

[rain cave]

intriguing...

so looks like the dungeon is also a choose your way through the bosses type, at least for a portion of it

[harsh mason]

This is most likely "Blight of Galakrond"

[rain cave]

Why are there giant floating bones

[harsh mason]

It's just not finished yet

[dense plover]

^^

[rain cave]

Ah

[harsh mason]

But now we know for sure that the theories that he teamed up with Infinite Flight are true

"Iridikron is the most powerful of the Primal Incarnates, infused with elemental earth magic. While he wishes to topple the Aspects and rid the world of the titan's influence, his plans to do so are not yet known. Why has he joined forces with the infinites? Whatever the answer, he must be stopped."

But I hope they'll show us a little bit how he ended up here.

His strengths are also very well described, that he is primarily a tactician and strategist. Although it was already obvious

[rain cave]

Love to see it

[rose escarp]

Hmm, did anyone spot anything in regards to Tarecgosa yet, considering the minor changes in 10.1.0? Part of the Blue Dragonflight campaign-thingie that we have yet to see, perhaps? 🤔

[austere gazelle]

Like Zovaal ?

Was wrong about wrathion though. Guess I wanted Blizz to subvert our expectations....

[harsh mason]

Like Sabellian

Zovaal was not a military strategist

As a [Battle Tactician], Iridikron gains tactical confidence as he fights. He commits to [Cataclysmic Obliteration] at 100 confidence.
Defeating Iridikron is not a possibility; instead, players must break his concentration briefly, giving Chromie an opening to attack his relic.

Or like Kil'jaeden

[harsh mason]

I really hope that in future patches they will add such gnolls

[austere gazelle]

It'll probably come at some point. The end boss dungeon of Brackenhide disappeared and is not defeated so more gnoll content to come.
Which means we will maybe have a decay themed raid ( again lol ), which lead me to believe that Iridikron will probably pull a Galakrond and will assemble an army of undead decayed being in the last patch , with the last boss of brackenhide as a raid boss somehow

[cosmic beacon]

More Gnolls and more undead =

[cosmic beacon]

Looks legit

[harsh mason]

Desperate attempts by people who can't accept

[frozen zealot]

Found the image on twitter but unsure if it’s legit Ebyssian more likely to wear a nose ring than Wrathion and the glowing orange parts seem very out of place

[harsh mason]

This is fake

made based on the icon. No one has seen the new model yet

[clear parrot]

Regarding the new icon, it seems legit

Or the guy who did it was kinda precise

[austere gazelle]

Wow head confirmed it, but the implication of it and the huge spoiler tag made it remove it

there might be some legal implication so I won'"t post the screen in here

[silent urchin]

I doubt as complex as legal implication, but wowhead do avoid posting certain things to maintain a good relationship with blizzard

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t know if that’s legit

Look at the bracers

Those are literally nozdormu’s bracers

Either way there’s no way that’s Wrathion. It looks nothing like him

[harsh mason]

Even if the screen itself is legit, the phrase from below is fake, I'm sure of it

[clear parrot]

I guess it's ebyssian

with the nose ring

[pulsar minnow]

Agreed

[austere gazelle]

Sounds likely yeah

He's the only one to not have his own dragon model

[clear parrot]

Ebyssian as aspect was clearly intended btw

[austere gazelle]

Unless the Heroic Sacrifice is somehow Ebyssian switching dragon body with Wrathion somehow XD here come the body snatchers

[clear parrot]

Adamanthia sacrifice ?

Because y'know, every inch of black draconic power was imprisoned within her

Perhaps killing her would release this energy

[austere gazelle]

the screen said " I will honour Ebyssian noble sacrifice forevermore "

[clear parrot]

Meh

[rain cave]

tbh if wrathion becomes aapect this will be how

he needs the wisdom and humbling from others

[clear parrot]

Stealing the nosering

[rain cave]

maybe he likes it

[pulsar minnow]

The Adamanthia questline is on the PTR already

We don’t even kill her

We just subdue her and she regains her sanity and Emberthal stays back to comfort her

[clear parrot]

Well now we have to figure out who the hell is she

I mean, as a Dracthyr, is she our mother ?

[dense plover]

it is?

is it dracthyr exclusive or something?

[jade basalt]

Yeah

It's just 3-4 quests long and then kinda cuts short

Which may be intended, as a "return later" kind of thing

[upper pasture]

yeah it's the questline for augvoker

hopefully there's more later cause right now it's pretty bare

[pulsar minnow]

Pretty sure, yes.

[clear parrot]

Ok ok

[pulsar minnow]

She constantly calls us “HER DRACTHYR” as if she was a mother

[plain violet]

Nothing is legit about this.

It's 100% a fake made by a twitter and the guy was really proud of his fake and assumed it.

Here the source of the fake:
https://twitter.com/ObviouslyZelris/status/1657152781898113024?t=Vn_7JBoBuizBDcUbb5ceNg&s=19

[plain violet]

So please, no lies unless you were lied to. :p

[upper pasture]

lol the "user" that posted it to WoWhead lol

[austere gazelle]

I didn't lie, it wasn't confirmed anyway

thx for the source :p

[upper pasture]

sound it out lol

[clear parrot]

Well

[crystal pond]

Imagine if Wrathion die for real so there will be no competition for Ebyssian

I heard rumors that the writers would rewrite the merits of Wrathion to Ebyssian
but its just a rumors

[upper pasture]

that would be such a shame. and on top of that a lot of wrathion stans would be pissed

[deep pawn]

the reason we're assuming it's Ebyssian is the spell is called aspect's favor

[harsh mason]

Why would he die? Ebyssian already has no competitors🤔

[austere gazelle]

Apparently Iridikron is helping the Infinite so Deios can turn Proto Nozdormu into Murozond, who will then merge all timeline to this point and will be the only Aspect, getting rid of all the others, preventing the Incarnate from being trapped, and they will rule Azeroth

[brave nymph]

i know i'm late but, do we know who's skeleton this is?

[austere gazelle]

Galakrond

[brave nymph]

ah

[crystal pond]

He have Wrathion as a competitions
But writers dont give a shit they biased towards Ebyssian for some reason idk
If they keeped BFA Wrathion none would give a question about who must become an aspect of black dragonflight
Ebyssian did zero stuff for Azeroth in general, but everybody thinking that he matches perfectly because people think that aspect is a political role and not "yo we need do stuff to protect world"

Hope other flights will not have this shit writing and not gonna ruin characters out of nowhere copium

[harsh mason]

as I understand it, this is an old map that will not be used

This is from 2019

They made a new location for the dungeon with 0, and this one just stayed with the files

[harsh mason]

Yes, it's funny. In fact, we are fighting Deios in a period of time when they have not yet become aspects

[brave nymph]

Ahh i see

idk why but when i looked at it the first time it looked like azure span

[harsh mason]

I'm also wondering who Deios is (and who he was in the bronze flight).

I mean, he's the leader of infinite dragonflight right now. So he was also an important dragon in the bronze flight in the past (in the present)

[crystal pond]

So wait
Infinite will try to corrupt proto-Nozdormu so he will become Murozond instead of the whole thread with "i saw the real end of time and old gods dominating Azeroth is not such a bad thing"

Disappointed

[upper pasture]

Infinite will try to corrupt proto-Nozdormu so he will become Murozond instead of the whole thread with "i saw the real end of time and old gods dominating Azeroth is not such a bad thing"

[crystal pond]

They will foreshadow "cosmos devided will not survive" again
Watch
Instead of showing us wtf is going to happen

A master-plan from blizzard

For more expansions

[upper pasture]

i wonder if the infinite will get to a point where they will nearly succeed and in order to stop it Noz just becomes Muro so that our timeline doesn't dramatically change.

[harsh mason]

Well, it seems to me that Nozdormu certainly would not have bought that "he saw the real end of time, and the old gods ruling in Azeroth are not so bad."

[crystal pond]

Replay end time dungeon i guess

He literally saying it

[harsh mason]

He knows that this cannot be avoided, but he does not know exactly how he will become a Murozond

In any case, this attempt will fail, lol.

[upper pasture]

it would have to fail in any case.

[crystal pond]

Wonder if they will succeed at the end of the megadungeon

infinite
slaps Nozdormu with corruption
fly away and wait

Like corruption that happens to Neltharion
That yeah Nozdormu will get corrupted but we will not know about it until something something

[dense plover]

nozdormu doesnt get corrupted that way

he gets corrupted by preventing his own death

thats how infinite dragons work

[crystal pond]

I mean if blizzard will not rewrite this

[dense plover]

they wont

its something players have been waiting for

and im pretty sure it was even talked about in dragonflight/pre-patch

[harsh mason]

As for me, he should be given a powerful motivation to become a Murozond. He already knows that he will become one. He also understands that it is tedious to do everything possible to delay this moment. What can make egt become Murozond? The death of Soridormi? The threat of the death of his flight or all flight in general?

So I'm sure it's not because of the old gods that he will become like this.

[ionic terrace]

another Hearthstone npc

[deep pawn]

some people are saying the fact the infinites are alternate timelines basically means the prophecy doesn't matter anymore

Nozdormu got fooled and angsted for no reason

[jade basalt]

Morchie is an alternate Chromie, doesn't mean all Infinites are alternates

Murozond is straight up Future Nozdormu for example

[silent urchin]

there can be multiple murozonds in many timelines

It feels like blizz aren't exactly going for the hard sci fi route when it comes to time travel

so you either just accept that it doesn't make much sense and go with it, or you spend the next few years complaining on reddit

[austere gazelle]

in the Morchie fight Morchie calls alternates and past and future version of herself ( which are not Chromie )

and there is this that left me puzzled :

If she is an infinite, why does she take her Bronze dragon form ?

Is she really an Infinite though, or Chromie decoyed as an Infinite for a master plan to save Nozdormu ? 🤔

[harsh mason]

It may just be the wrong description. The description in the journal will be compiled by encounter designers

[austere gazelle]

I thought so too, we'll see

[rain cave]

It's arcane damage too, don't infinite attacks do shadow? Can you confirm in one of the other infinite fights we've had

[silent urchin]

Deios mostly does arcane, in uldaman

[harsh mason]

Murozond

[rain cave]

ok

[rain cave]

screw deathwing man

this lad was YUUUGE

[pulsar minnow]

okay now i see why tyr was so impressed by the aspects

like damn

[harsh mason]

Well, how do people want to have a fight with him? It can only be killed with 1000 manabombs (minimum)

[pulsar minnow]

probably just dragonriding around him throwing bombs down

stunning him, going inside his mouth and inside his body, fighting the corruption inside his body etc

[rain cave]

I don't think we're fighting him alive as a boss

[harsh mason]

As an idea for a raid boss, this will not work. There have already been odd similar ones, they don't work well. Especially dragonriding

[rain cave]

I mean I think they'd do it

not before but this expansion I could definetly see them implementing dragonriding as a mechanic

even if it's just part of a group

[harsh mason]

I'm not even talking about the fact that he, is just a wild animal, there is 0 sense in him. It is rather just a monument to those ancient times

[deep pawn]

If I was designing this expansion, there's no way I don't make a raid around dragonriding from fight to fight around Valdrakken and then to Tyrhold.

[harsh mason]

Flying dragons is one thing. And designing a raid battle for flying on a dragon is quite another. We are not talking about a simple hover in the air, namely in flight. It will be complete nonsense, not playable and boring. Every example of aerial combat in the game was unsuccessful, because it is not suitable for a raid. For quests yes, for dungeons yes (and then for M+ no)

[upper pasture]

honestly if we got a sorta sudo-boss where we have to fly around a collect DR rings for phase of a fight or trash i think would be fine but a whole fight naw.

but making something that everyone wants to do and is something a few of the raid members can do without the help of the whole raid will be tricky cause not everyone can DR and is good a DRing

[deep pawn]

My idea would be travel from boss to boss more than anything

[upper pasture]

so just OP but a raid

or NO rather

[deep pawn]

Let's them use the verticality of Valdrakken and just gives us a moment where the aspects give a hoorah speech at their seat and we fly as a raid to Tyrhold.

Rather than us just using static paths

Let's them also create a very open fight order for the first half or so

[upper pasture]

my only problem with using VD is that it's the main city. so why how would it make sense for us to do say half the raid and then zone out of the raid and we have VD back all of a sudden.

[deep pawn]

Meh

I'n expecting tons of dragon soul parallels for the last raid.

Climbing Valdrakken is part of it.

[rain cave]

a dragonriding boss wouldn't be like old vehicle combat, it would definetly incorporate how we already use the mounts

like the WQ's of planting flags by flying low near the spots

could be for planting bombs

or flying through rings, collecting empowering stuff

[ember blaze]

use our dragonriding dash to hurt galakrond 😎

[rain cave]

"shoulderblades of iridikron" followed by "a bit pissed of iridikron ft. tentacles"

[deep pawn]

More so that we start one place and fly somewhere else

I'm excited to see updated Dragon Soul weapons in the last tier if they go that route

[rain cave]

I mean the echo of neltharion has the tier 11 original

which tbh are just from deathwings visage design

but it would be cool if at some point we find one of neltharions armouries or somesuch

not sure how they'd get the transmog in now for those

since we didn't get them this patch

Would love to see some bronze and blue mogs

Not just colour but style wise too

[austere gazelle]

I'm just trying to overcome this by thinking the void shown him some glimpse of the future with this armor and he decided to craft it

[harsh mason]

Yes, the quest for the legendary drop in mythic

[silent urchin]

sorry for crap screenshot, I don't control the stream overlays

https://www.twitch.tv/sanghelioswow is streaming the questline

seems to tie into new spec lore stuff

get to see a flashback of neltharion activating oathbinder on the three evoker leaders

all that seems confirmed

similar to AQ key farming stuff?

[harsh mason]

woooooooooy

[upper pasture]

yeah, she lookin good

[silent urchin]

seems to be A LOT of grinding for unique drops

but you can outsource.. some of it?

there's 3 parts (BS, JC, ENG) that each need a bunch of a unique legendary reagent

then also a bunch of an epic reagent

I think the epic can be outsourced

[upper pasture]

and the makers have to be in the group with you

and do that content WITH you

[silent urchin]

Ah, maybe it just makes more drop for the evoker

[upper pasture]

oh i see

well...i hope it drops on everything now. (maybe even lfr) cause that quest chain is certainly something

[silent urchin]

Hopefully

[upper pasture]

maybe with reset now that mythic is down it's unlocked on others

rip people on dead servers tho

[rain cave]

have they done that before?

[upper pasture]

no idea

[pulsar minnow]

So the legendary is mythic only?

[harsh mason]

Most likely. Or in other difficults the chance is sooooo low

Well, yes, dracthyr should be in the raid

[upper pasture]

it could be super low but i'd say it was probably gated to only drop after mythic was cleared. we saw how many splits and how many off screen normal kills with no drop i'd say it's a safe bet that it wouldn't drop until after the first mythic kill

[rain cave]

I hope it isn't mythic only

since it's a cool story piece

still should be some prestige to it obv

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah I main Evoker so I was kinda excited for this

But hey honestly it’s fine for me right now since I spent my first spark on a 1h anyways

[clear parrot]

Evokers not doing mythic be like

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cry-tantrums-tears-kids-gif-17091182

[deep pawn]

there's no way it's mythic only haha

[deep pawn]

it's a fist of ra-den reskin which is an interesting choice

but means it's already rigged to show while casting

[harsh mason]

It doesn 't look like it at all

Yeah, the image quality with wowpedia is such a...

[deep pawn]

wait, is it the WW one then?

I swear I've seen that model before

yeah, my bad, it looks more like the WW fist

[silent urchin]

prety sure its a unique model, the knuckles are very dragony

not quite sure what you mean by ww fist, windwalker?

the artifact pvp one? https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/539764.jpg

[uncut vault]

The only real similarity is that both are claws haha

[silent urchin]

yeah I can't find anything else that's that similar

[subtle oar]

Why not?

[deep pawn]

cause that'd be really regressive game design for them

[rain cave]

there's also the argument of, why make the last boss of the highest difficulty drop something powerful exclusively

like "congrats you've reached the point where you no longer need gear, here's some gear that would have been very useful"

it works as a cool theatric, making it drop on world first kill and then start dropping for all after that

but mythic exclusive is whack and out of character for them atm

[dense plover]

Might be mythic first - ie unlocked on mythic only until 10.1.5

[silent urchin]

maybe getting deputised will unlock drops or something too

[subtle oar]

Not really

[deep pawn]

yes really

no content should ever be designed for a couple thousand at best

[uncut vault]

said questline also has some clearly important story for the dracthyr

so locking it behind that would be immensely stupid

[silent urchin]

So unlocked on all difficulties, after reset

provided mythic died in your region

[dense plover]

i think thats fine

[silent urchin]

curious if drop rate is actually 100% on mythic

it sounds like no

maybe first in region is the only guarantee?

Or both echo and liquid got lucky

[upper pasture]

i think mythic is 100%

[silent urchin]

Could be. I just don't really feel like 3x "slightly increase" takes you from very rare to 100%

[dense plover]

might not be scaled equally

like if its 0.05% on LFR, then 0.5% on Normal, then 5% on Heroic, and then 100% on Mythic

or like 15% on Heroic

idk

[deep pawn]

Heroic better be 50% or higher

This season is only 20 weeks long or so

[dense plover]

based on?

[deep pawn]

General pacing of the expansion. There's no reason to presume this season will be longer than the last one and noticeably it's a tad easier

10.2 first week of October and race over by Blizzcon

[upper pasture]

yeah i'd bet it's more of a 5% 25% 50% 100% type deal

[clear parrot]

Wait is the Ilvl of the legendary locked at 457 ?

Or will it decrease with lower difficulty drops ?

[silent urchin]

afaik always 457

[clear parrot]

... what a joke

[silent urchin]

welfare epics, am I right

[clear parrot]

What is the purpose of doing this

This legendary item is as legendary as the grey hammer from elwynn forest

[subtle oar]

The wowhead article has its ilvl at 500

[clear parrot]

Damn

[harsh mason]

The legendary is given not for the boss, but for the quest. The item that starts the quest falls from the boss. So ilvl is most likely the same

Well, they opened it only after will be defeated mythic Sarkareth because so that people wouldn't waste time getting it during RWF

[clear parrot]

What about the prices for those crafts ? Guess there will be big price increases

[harsh mason]

Sure. Remember how much the reagents for crafting legendary in SL cost

[clear parrot]

yeah that was savage

[ember blaze]

Stupid*

[harsh mason]

This is much better than it was in the legion.

The worst thing you can do with legendary is to give them to the players for nothing

It's doubly worse when any legend can drop literally from any mob in the open world

[upper pasture]

most of the reagents have many uses this time so i doubt we will see much inflation because of one legendary weapon for one class.

[rain cave]

love the meme of just walking around and killing a mob that's aggroed and stopping you from flying and you just get jumpscared by the massive legendary drop effect

[ember blaze]

The only problem I have with legendaries is like in shadowlands getting several for your spec and most being useless.

They’re not really legendary items and just gear with an orange color

Though this gauntlet is pretty lore significant it seems and ties into the story of the dracthyr

That makes sense for a legendary

And tying it to a quest line isn’t bad either.

[cunning fossil]

I'm happy to see little has changed

Hey bitches, long time no debate

How's everyone been doing and what's the discussion about?

[ionic terrace]

ignore the quest, it's the AV one that i never did

[silent urchin]

well, at least we know now

what about campaign chapter 7?

[ionic terrace]

same message about needing to wait

:/

[dense plover]

Wait - is this real?

That’s kind of funny

[ionic terrace]

yea

why would i post something fake 😛

[dense plover]

For the memes? 🤷‍♂️

[ionic terrace]

😦

[crystal pond]

Why so long

I need fresh air after black dragonflight campaign

[dense plover]

Because some people are just finishing this week

Gives a bit of breathing room

[silent urchin]

I'd have expected chapter 7 this week and blue dragonflight next week

I'm guessing cause without a rebel isn't up yet either?

[dense plover]

It’s very possible they looked at overall progress for the campaign and saw it was lower than they wanted. I bet they could’ve chosen this week if they had wanted to

Or they saw people were super focused on the campaign and raid and didn’t want to distract people

We don’t know what the blue dragon stuff entails. It could be a rep or a weekly or daily or something

[harsh mason]

Where is my 7th chapter???????

Waiting

[barren bobcat]

for real man, was thinking this week or 1st mythic clear

[harsh mason]

Should there be a new PTR build today?

[uncut vault]

THere was a dev build yesterday so most likely yes

[ionic terrace]

yea there will be

.5 servers have been down but are back offline

[ripe sentinel]

All 10.0.5 ptr are still incompatible?

Sorry 10.1.5 ptr servers

Wired, may be it’s only on my device?

[ember blaze]

hoping for more augmentation evoker updates

[obtuse vine]

https://twitter.com/stiven_srb/status/1658577300735008772?s=46&t=xCU5PEs1yQwL9rCJRzfUXg

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

who the fuck are u now

Twitter · May 16, 2023, 8:56 PM

[upper pasture]

Veins

[silent urchin]

grommash from the dungeon I guess?

[harsh mason]

https://www.wowhead.com/ru/news/new-warlock-felhunter-customizations-in-patch-10-1-5-333037

[harsh mason]

yes

[plain violet]

Those customs are amazing.

[cosmic beacon]

ima be mad if dk doesnt get the same treatment

[silent urchin]

Very pretty loadscreen that

[upper pasture]

neat i can change my lock screen now on my phone

[silent urchin]

Servers up but I seem to have to reinstall the 10.1.5 ptr

[candid ruin]

new warlock races still not on PTR?

[silent urchin]

New quest from flaps when I logged in?

Ahhh it's the little scales whelpcare one

bah it's timegated on PTR too :(

hmm

oh nvm it's just janky renown reward stuff

Whelp daycare seems neat so far. It's mostly fetch quests but the writing is cute

https://i.imgur.com/L6RD2ho.mp4 castbar animations got updated a bit, although the mind blast cooldown isn't quite right atm

[rain cave]

what's that 4th ability?

also those are sick

[silent urchin]

Mind spike, and mind spike insanity

Could hatch the first whelp, then got told to come back tomorrow

[uncut vault]

cool skybox effect during time rifts

[silent urchin]

Are time rifts just on a timer? I sat around by soridomi for a bit but nothing seemed to be happening

[uncut vault]

they seem to be kind of random atm

[broken kraken]

anyone know why i cant make draenei warlocks on PTR?

[silent urchin]

just not available yet afaik

or were draenei already able to? Sometimes things get disabled if there's in progress customisation options that have a tendancy to crash the game

[broken kraken]

ah good to know, and warlocks are getting all class option in 1.5 along with custom demons, thats why i wanted to see what they looked like in game but i guess its not in the 1st build

https://www.wowhead.com/news/quality-of-life-improvements-for-unlocking-allied-races-in-patch-10-1-5-332942 seeing as the achievements are otentially removed that means you dont need to rep grind anymore and i should be able to finally unlock zandalari trolls now as i couldnt previously due to not having done horde half of BFA storylines

[uncut vault]

these time rifts are so great

I hope all of them have these little unique story quests after

[tulip sun]

They have quests afterwards with them interacting? 👀👀

I couldn't get it started

[uncut vault]

Yeah you can enter the time rift in the middle

takes a bit to kill the elite but it drops an item

[tulip sun]

Was it only Azmerloth? I saw that there was an evil alliance one

[uncut vault]

I think just that one atm yeah

[deep pawn]

Of course she can speak murloc

[timber shadow]

Anyone able to get that corrupted ashbringer quest thing already?

[harsh mason]

Who said it was a quest?

[timber shadow]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=206638/corrupted-ashbringer

Starts

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/quest=76406/the-sins-of-the-ashbringer

Which gives placeholder reward:

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=206602/mechanized-cog

Which tells me in the end we'll probably only get some stupid rep etc. but no cosmetic, which makes it more of a cruel joke instead of a cool effort

[harsh mason]

Cool

[rain cave]

For me I was only a couple quests away from unlocking the zandalari on an old bfa toon but then they changed it to be level 60 required. But I'm never going to level that toon because wrong server and I already have his class higher level

So frustrating

Thankfully they're doing this though

[tulip sun]

@dense plover Got a but of a followup via mail

Of the initiates who survived

[dense plover]

That guy is clearly a bunch of memes

Fel omen

Roach is his mount

Wonderful to have a follow up as well

[plain violet]

Thanks you Khammin!

I love follow up too.

[deep pawn]

Blizzcon dates are expected, but I still think I'm on team first week of October for 10.2

[dense plover]

I expect we will have 10.2 on ptr way sooner than that

Which likely means we will have 10.3 ptr or an announcement before BlizzCon so they can announce the next expac at BlizzCon

[rain cave]

just weird to have the next expansion announced before the last patch is finished imo

[silent urchin]

it's pretty common

[sleek solar]

Could also be like swtor, where theres like 1 patch every 6 months with about 30 mins of content lmao

6 months is generous^

[dense plover]

Blizz won’t do that

[uncut vault]

Shadowlands was revealed two and a half months before Visions of N'zoth came out 😛

[rain cave]

was it actually?

dayum

still feels weird

[harsh mason]

Look, we have a roadmap for this year that includes 6 content updates. In a recent interview, they said that the patches will be released in about 2 months (that is, for a full season of about 4-5 months). The that can be announced at blizzcon is a new roadmap for 2024. Because 10.3 comes in conjunction with mini patches

So if there is an announcement of a new expansion, then together with the announcement with the announcement of a new roadmap. But it may also be that the roadmap will be announced before blizzcon

But I don't really believe it

But at the same time, there may be less content in 10.3 than in previous major patches (for example, without a new location), then its announcement will be before the blizzcon (since it takes a lot of time for locations)

[rain cave]

tbf 10.3 just being like

a revamped tyrhold including stuff underneath it

would make sense

a bit like how mop final patch just revamped the central hub area

and did the raid there

[deep pawn]

I mean 10.2 release in October, race over by Blizzcon

[sleek solar]

Thank god for that

[subtle oar]

Cata was announced well before the ICC patch was released

[silent urchin]

iirc BFA got announced alongside 7.1

although that was partly weird blizzcon timings

if they waited a year it would have been way too close to release

[upper pasture]

iirc they usually announce "this is far out, this is coming soon"

IE it's not that strange they would announce the next expansion with a patch or two left of DF

[silent urchin]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Expansion#Announcement DF was actually the shortest gap between announcement and release

[glass flicker]

Gee, someone had an obsession with eyepatches in that last bluepost.

Every alternate NPC has an eyepatch.

[uncut vault]

that's more the joke for the AU

eye for an eye and all that

[glass flicker]

If it's an eye for an eye, then we both go blind. That's what the Horde vs Alliance war is about.

[austere gazelle]

we already had this several time. Remember WoTLK. We weren't even assaulting ICC that we knew that Deathwing was returning for Cataclysm :p

The thread they have to play here is not to spoil the ending of the last patch while announcing next expansion

We're not even sure there won't be a 10.4 too

[uncut vault]

Didn't the MoP announcement trailer literally go "Soon you're gonna fight deathwing, but after that..." in the intro lol

[obtuse vine]

the only 2 recent expansions i can think of that were announced after the release of the final raid were Legion and Dragonflight, both followed the worst-received expansions of all time, WoD and Shadowlands, both just had 2 patches (If you call 6.1 a patch lol) so blizz is well used to announcing expansions while the current one is still ongoing, we are 100% gonna see the announcement of 11.0

[harsh mason]

It was the same with Pandaria

Although the cataclysm is on the same level as draenor and sl

[rain cave]

crazy to think that WoD really only had 1 patch tbh

that being said there were 2 launch raids basically

[austere gazelle]

Hope we'll get some reveal about Elune and An'she in this expack

The quantity of item related to sun and moon dropping is more than odd

Mmmm

[silent urchin]

It's in a cavern without any sun or moon

[austere gazelle]

no, those drops outside Zaralek too :p

[silent urchin]

I guess, but they're the new 10.1 set so they're themed for the cavern

[austere gazelle]

true. But why did they went to Moonless and Sunless and not.. Skyless, for example ?

There is this underlying notion of duality and opposite running, Shadow VS magma, sun vs moon

[subtle oar]

Yes

[uncut vault]

One of the other armor tiers is named Skyless

[silent urchin]

the last one is Starless

[deep pawn]

We already knew season 3 was confirmed but iterating on it already is good if it's out in October

[solar veldt]

do any of you expect a new exp announcement at blizzcon?

[subtle oar]

We should be getting one, yes.

[crystal pond]

Star wars expansion

Watch

[solar veldt]

I hope the quality and cadence content still remains in the next expac , we’ll see 🙏

[austere gazelle]

Next cinematic is revealed at blizzcon.
We see some familiar leather boots walking in a shadowy plain. some breath of agony sounds plays in the background. The camera begin to rise slowly to reveal a character we had all forgotten.

Sylvanas.

" At last. I can return to Azeroth once more. "

Title of the expansion is revealed and the new logo

'' World of Warcraft : ~~Rise of Sylvanas ~~ Battle for Avaloren''

[upper pasture]

"World of Warcraft: The Jailer: Unchained"

"Shadowlands 2.0 electric boogalo"

"now with TWICE as many covenants!"

"and HALF the conduit power!"

[austere gazelle]

You'll have 15 crest to upgrade your stuff, each of those crests are only available on specific covenant, so you'll have to switch covenant to fully upgrade your gear

" We knew it was a bit complicated but the lore demanded it, it'd have made no sense to do it another way "

[sleek solar]

"Somehow the Jailer returned"

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[solar veldt]

😂😂

[rain cave]

me after syvlanas is in a 4th expansion cinematic

https://tenor.com/view/she-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-23747505

I mean if we're going with new landmass on the back that has old god ties and pirate ties

show a pirate captain, the nightsquall guy

sailing through the mists with some magical energy

doing his normal business

maybe show some shots of them plundering ships

returning to the new continent to drop off their booty to more pirates

but then he walks into his captains quarters

audio goes down

he approaches a box

opens it

the black blade stares back with nzoth's eye now embedded in the hilt

[harsh mason]

Official atrt design

The interesting thing is that even in the files the model is not so dark

[crystal pond]

His ingame model is not so dark

Only in the cinematic he look like that

[deft carbon]

Wow! The dark version looks much cooler

[subtle oar]

https://tenor.com/view/william-dafoe-weird-creepy-smile-happy-gif-17716428

Me, excited and craving her more

[harsh mason]

She will definitely be in the next expansion. She and Illidan. Please

Although no, the next one will be Azshara

[rain cave]

The sass

Would be off the charts

[tulip sun]

Bit soon probably

[rain cave]

sylvanas and illidan probably assembling with some others at the end of this current storyline

the cosmic endgame scenario

[tulip sun]

Yeh but I don't think that'll be next xpac

[rain cave]

yes

next xpac will probably be the direct setup

like WoD was basically just a shell for legion

even though it started off as not that (disguised)

dragons now, giving us an azeroth centric sotryline, links us into more azeroth following the end scenario of this expansion as the trigger for that

then that next expansion will sow the seeds early before turning into a more cosmic finale that will THEN lead into a grander cosmic war

that's the bet

cosmic war will still be azeroth centric tho, won't be a crazy space battle I think

not all of it

[harsh mason]

I miss the legion. I remember people whining because there was a lot of green. But I liked this theme

[royal coral]

I wonder when we'll deal with the Incarnates, maybe never ? If Iridikron's plan is to revive Galakrond, maybe he'll "eat" them ?

[austere gazelle]

We'll see. There is still a chapter called " a Flame, extinguished " we've yet to see.
Iridikron's plan may be not to revived Galakrond but to thwart the Aspects by creating the Infinites, however, maybe Iridikron's plan and end game will fail and he'll resort to drink the black water of Yogg Saron that contaminated Galakrond and will become a Galakrond bis.
There are whispers of Nzoth and several mentions of this
" With many eyes, they'll see again, they will drink and be uplifted "
" You'll follow him to the deep place, the black water will flows in its wake "
etc.

There is also mentions of " The Harbinger " that will gather the " Children of the First Flesh " and will in the end trigger the " Awakening " ( of Azeroth ? )

My first guess is that Iridikron will become a Galakrond bis, as said earlier, and will spread rot and decay and will dig deeper, spreading it further closer to Azeroth's heart. The gnolls will follow him since their decaytriarch is into this stuff too and he will assemble an army of decayed undead stuff ( there is also this dragon graveyard north of Alge'thar that is unused yet )

[royal coral]

Yeah that's what I thought with the decaytriarch. Fyrakk should be a raid boss, like Onyxia or Halion imo.

[rain cave]

I think that's what's being set up in the mega dungeon

He's getting the essence from galakrond to infuse the waters with

I imagine vyranoth could help with water things too

[austere gazelle]

Tyrhold is also central in this. If it is destroyed, then the Ordered water stops flowing, and it will prevent the rise of new breed of Ordered Dragons, and if Iridikron replace the water in the Halls of infusion with this black water, then .. DOOM

Only one able to fix this will be Tyr

[deep pawn]

I'd bet our last raid is Valdrakken and Tyrhold to mirror Wyrmrest and the Maelstrom

You don't give Valdrakken all these empty platforms in the air if they aren't raid areas eventually

[royal coral]

I guess we'll deal with Fyrakk once he has attacked all areas

[deep pawn]

There's only the two spots for assaults

[royal coral]

Oh ?

[deep pawn]

A Fire and Ice raid fight is how I hope he and Vyranoth go out

Give us steam, exploding ice, more

[harsh mason]

The deal was with Djaradins and Infinite dragonflight. The specific goal is to clear the world of Titans, and the method is not known. Galakrond is just a wild animal, he is not intelligent, there is no reason to return him. Iridikron just collected something from him (or rather, he will try to collect it in 10.1.5

Maybe he wants to either devour or destroy the "Local Well of Eternity"

I bet he wants to wake up Azeroth

For the elements, it will literally be a holiday, but for the rest of life...well, not very good

[rain cave]

we were just discussing using galakrond's essence collected in the dungeon to corrupt the waters again

since that's the plotpoint a lot of things point towards

that could also be why he comes after the tree perhaps?

maybe the tree is a potential foil to that plan, since its roots might cleanse water

idk

but most likely he's going to corrupt the waters, and we've seen him in the dungeon using a device on galakrond

and vyranoth is frosty -> has a connection to water

[austere gazelle]

There was a whispers of OG mentionning roots but I can't remember it

Deeper, deeper its roots will reach. Welcoming our embrace.

[solar veldt]

All your theories sound good to me! I just hope they continue with a grounded theme like Dragonflight for next expansion and not get too crazy with cosmic stuff

[worn crown]

I hope Blizzard go back to cosmic (hopefully in new and wild ways). DF is nice and all but it is too much of a rehash of Cata to me, including the zones. "Been there, done that" and such.

But with the poor reception of SL, it won't be soon, I reckon.
But but it will come, eventually, all signs point to that.

[austere gazelle]

I think they'll first introduce properly what this is all about. Foreshadowing stuff a bit like in Starcraft with the Xel'Naga.
There will be the reveal about what is really Azeroth, Elune, An'she and Lo'sho, and that maybe the void is not that evil and is right, but their way of handling the stuff is not good ( like Zovaal, he may had a noble goal, but poor implementation of it )

[harsh mason]

Cosmos is literally in the second raid. And it's not like an observatory in Nighthold, we're literally in cosmos. The last raid in SL was completely in space, we fought with Zovaal practically in the center of the universe.

I mean, there is enough cosmos as it is, no one has forgotten about it

[upper pasture]

i think the big issue was "cosmos without a real reason to be there" if they set up a good story i don't think anyone would care that we're back in that setting as long as engaging.

SLs was weird cause like it felt super out of left field and on top of that the big bad was someone who we didn't even know and they were retconning some lore with him too. just too many questions and not enough answers

[harsh mason]

The fact is that apart from the legion, no one else is revealed within the universe.

Any new antagonist from any cosmic force will be " big bad was someone who we didn't even know"

[upper pasture]

yes but also not "he was the dude controlling everything beforehand too"

[harsh mason]

For example, we don't know any Void Lord at all.

[upper pasture]

were getting void stuff from whoever was messing in our adventure guide

that's why were getting all these little things that will eventually add up and make lore and not just release another expansion of "THIS DUDE IS BADASS (trust us)" and by the end of it we've beat him.

[plush mortar]

The need the have a multi expansion arc to build to a big bad. All of wow built up to legion. Then they had bfa and said all off legion was a lead up to some guy named zaval or however you spell it. LITERALLY WHO CARES ABOUT NAKED BALD GUY

[harsh mason]

But this is unrealistic

The only option is books, but I remind you that 90% of the players don't care about it

People only found out in DF that protodragons have small paws

This is an example of how much the audience is aware of what it is playing at all

[upper pasture]

people? i mean if you played in WotLK you'd know that

[harsh mason]

If you've seen their model, then you know

As for cosmos, we have Denathrius. He should have been killed, but he was left alive for a reason

But again, no one will spend 18 years again to show enough cosmic power to defeat it in one expansion, then it's not real

So I would even say that it's not good to show cosmos theme too often. We still have the other side of Azeroth

Letting the cosmic forces manifest themselves in simpler things

[harsh mason]

I'm still wondering if Xavius is considered dead or not? Because after fight we saw only his "old" body. It would be great to see satyrs in DF

[rain cave]

Definitely this

Why tf a bunch of random mortals showing up to carry a bunch of god entities doing job for them

[austere gazelle]

We do know several of them. One of them being Dimensius the All Devouring, we fight him in netherstorm - BC ( at least a weakened version of him, in a manaforge )
From Death, we now have Denathrius and the Eternal one ( introduced by surprise )
From Life, we have Elune and Anshe ( and probably others, but they are known since a long time )
From Fel, we had Sargeras and the burning Legion ( same, known since a long time, but somehow dealt with )
From Order, we have the Titans pantheon ( same, known from a long time )
From Void, Dimensius is one of them ( known since BC and K'aresh )
From Light, X'era and whatever Prime Naaru council she is from ( because X'era is not dead , known since Legion)

To sum up, Shadowlands was the only realm we knew nothing about. And it was the first realm of the cosmos force we ventured in, god know why they decided that. It was even the less fleshed out because it was always presented as a counter part of the emerald dream, a plane tied with Azeroth, and suddenly we got a new realm inside Death, with a bunch of new names coming from dunno where, and new super baddy which is responsible for everything and Ultra super godlike being that shaped the cosmos, above the titans and everyone else. All in a single expansion. Way too much new concept that could only end up in disasters

[harsh mason]

I mean, none of these sides have been revealed like Legion has ever been. That's what I meant.

Therefore, when fighting with the Legion, the players were already clearly aware of this enemy. Fighting, for example, with void, the same feeling will not be 100%.

[austere gazelle]

Well, we got a glimpse, we know some void lords, we already fought a lot of the void's creation and we know the old gods. So we will thread in a new territory but with things we now and concept we can grasp because we have been previewed some of them in various event.

Shadowlands, for example, was just a realm with some white blue filter on our screen with skeletons and ghosts. It was not even presented as shadowlands most of the times

[uncut vault]

The weird thing about Fel is that none of it is actually a fel pantheon like they're setting up

the Legion has always ironically been a very neatly ordered iteration of demons and disorder

a literal titan forcing them into unity under a common cause

It will definitely be weird when we eventually get to the "oh yeah there's been a fel pantheon the whole time, they're just lazy wine moms who don't watch their kids very well at the cosmic birthday party"

[plain violet]

I would like the "fel" pantheon being chaotic so don't really caring about anything.

Like the void lord just throwing void parties at his place that was hinted in pet battle.

[harsh mason]

Meaning Disorder. Yes, the Legion is not a Disorder's pantheon, but it still belonged to that side (as it did during the Chronicles, so it does now)

Although, in essence, burning legion is the same for disorder as the old gods are for Void.

[subtle oar]

I hope not

[rain cave]

honestly wouldn't surprise me if we just found out the fel pantheon's not even really a pantheon, in true chaotic fashion. A bit like the frenzied flame in elden ring

just a kind of cosmic sludge full of consciousnesses

like the ur'zuls and other soul amalgams we've seen in the legion

but just at a large scale

[austere gazelle]

For my understanding, the very essence of Disorder implies that there is no pantheon, no eternal, or whatever. If there was, they all consumed each others a long time ago. I don't see the FO designing a stable order in a realm of disorder.

But the truth is, it possible that the whole Disorder plane wasn't seen yet, and there is a whole order hidden behind a veil that didn't care about Sargeras of the Legion and did their own crazy stuff , after all, Illidan's soul was seen pursued by unknown entity when the Illidari contacted it in the Fel Hammer

[rain cave]

doron's uploaded a video about a void mage class/spec potentially. ik he does usually go off on random rants lmao but it is a neat idea

I would devour a mage or warlock spec themed around the new blueish void we've gotten

less of the old god insanity purple shadow of priests

more of the gravity, black holes, infinite, cold void

would be cool since if it was a mage spec, it would definetly tie in to azshara's style of casting

[sleek solar]

More void is a 👍 for me

[worn crown]

And I hope yes
I want new things
Not only past stuff repeated

And I will write it here for future reference: in 2 xpacs at most (if WoW keeps existing) we WILL get a truly cosmic xpac

[upper pasture]

i mean just because it deals with past things doesn't mean it is repeated. furthering stories is a good thing not a bad thing

[subtle oar]

Cosmic stuff is just too much. They tried and destroyed all the religions of WoW and their mythologies. All gods in WoW are robots created by the First Ones. There is a Zerith of every Cosmic force. Its just gross and easily the worst lore in the hisotry of the game

[subtle oar]

We did. Shadowlands. We went to the Cosmic plane of Death. Faced the Gods and Pantheon of Death. Killed the previous Proto versions of said Pantheon. Worst story in the game.

[upper pasture]

i mean, story hooks and which ones are "good" are just a matter of opinions.

[plush mortar]

Shadowlands was to much too soon. They were working with fell from Warcraft 1 to finally finishing with fell and the burning legion during Legion. 1 xpc to introduce and resolve death was so lazy. Shadow has been worked with since at least vanilla. So at some point in the future we will go to the void version of argus to defeat them. Hopefully in several years or xpacs.

[harsh mason]

I wonder if the Iridikron is an elemental. It's just that he almost doesn't look like a dragon anymore, perhaps he can be connected to the plane of the earth and be immortal🤔

[rain cave]

also shadowlands was too alien

disconnected from the story of azeroth so much that the default levelling experience is the xpac before (bfa)

new players can go from bfa into dragonflight and the story just gets a mention of "there was a thing in the shadowlands a while ago dayum!"

even though the stakes of shadowlands were highest the game's seen technically

dragonflight is about dragons, sure. But we still get check ins with other characters, we're on the ground with azerothian characters we know, and even the new ones are well woven in with a good purpose, even if they're a minor role

like the centaur

meanwhile shadowlands, I had no care whatsoever for the soulbinds

we're meant to care about them, they're treated as a core cast of characters, each patch gave them more to do, more interactions

but never once did I give a shit

most of the playerbase would only get the chance to form a connection with 1 set of them anyway, since the covenants meant that if you did maldraxxus you had no idea what's really going on with the night fae, for example

the fact they shared models with basic NPC's too

and that the story never lingered on any of the covenants specifically, because of their gameplay function

story gets pulled in one direction, characters in another, and gameplay is there fraying the rope

pelagos as arbiter was a random asspull too, and to me one that kind of spits in the face of some of the kyrian storyline, and the covenants overarching themes too

kyrian story -> not everyone is perfect, and our order of trying to tell people what 'perfect is' is authoritarian and has caused people to become disillusioned with our generally good cause, as we went about it in the wrong way. Emotion is just as valuable as objective judgement.

which tied in with pelagos being a troubled character, and helping stick up for uther

but then

"oh no I actually was perfect because my trauma actually just meant I was compassionate so I get to be god now :D"

acts like it was his calling all along despite it literally just being a spur of the moment decision

better ending would have been establishing a council/order

could have even had baine and thrall there as witnesses to that line of thinking, since the horde had just changed over from a war chief to a council for a similar issue (1 person controlling everything, whatever flaws it has are flaws in the system)

enough ranting from me though

[austere gazelle]

Shadowlands lore bring nothing good the more you dig into it. Only headache

You have npc nagging you about fate and whatever, and then there is one saying that fate doesnt exist in the last patch

I mean , what do you want to do with that

[harsh mason]

I liked the lore of the covenants

No worse than lore of the same infinite dragonflight🗿

[plain violet]

I do liked the covenants lore too.

[sleek solar]

I thought its weird

And interesting

[austere gazelle]

The surface lore is good, but when you dig into it you have numerous point not resolved or contradicting each others

The alpha version of the lore and the retail one changed too much to be coherent

[plush mortar]

Shadowlands had so much potential but they dropped the ball early and didn’t want to pick it back up it seems. I really wish it was a forsaken/DK themed expansion. They could have done so much with death and necromancy. What does it mean to be forsaken. There should be no forsaken in shadowlands. How would the covenants deal with a soul they lost in a dead body in front of them. So much they could have done, it could have been great!

[rain cave]

only forsaken related character were sylvanas and calia, both of which are not proper standins for the normal undead playable characters

where were the forsaken showing up to the shadowlands mad that sylvanas betrayed their trust

the forsaken loyalists poking aroudn oribos perhaps, not working with sylvanas but looking into her cause

[rose escarp]

Maybe I’m dense, but I’m completely unable to find this place on Live. It’s at the Azure Archives somewhere, right? 🤔

Already feels like ages ago since I finished the Azure Span campaign 🙄🙈

[silent urchin]

it's where the oathstone is, I think right below the dungeon portal

[dense plover]

Well it won’t be live until tomorrow right?

[silent urchin]

Can still go see the timer

[rose escarp]

Hmm, I see. I’ll take a look again once I get the chance. Thanks! ❤️

[harsh mason]

Why are they flying so slowly?????

[mossy meteor]

also for some reason the gossip doesnt work

idk man

must have a lot of connecting flights

[crystal pond]

Oh comon it will be available only tomorrow

[mossy meteor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[harsh mason]

They were 6 months late

[upper pasture]

Jetblue is on strike

[rose escarp]

Feels EU man (33 hours remaining)

[rose escarp]

Yeah, seems Senegos and Kalecgos doesn’t work, but I bet that’s because they’ll have it. Sindragosa has, however, but I didn’t take note of what she says.

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Saw your tweets bout the warlock quest. There's a followup you get an email from oman

Not email lmao

Letter

[uncut vault]

lol

[dense plover]

i told porter on the twitters 😛

[mossy meteor]

for reference:

[silent urchin]

oh hey that area finally getting some proper use

[mossy meteor]

(it's stellagosa)

[plucky relic]

I thought this was bugged!!, I can't seem to access it

[plucky relic]

How did you actually get the quest lol?

[mossy meteor]

i flew to the blue dragon area

in azure span

[plucky relic]

Ah i'm there rn, and there is nothing

[silent urchin]

Maybe there's some side quest requirement

[mossy meteor]

rip ball

it cut off for some reason

[tulip sun]

That's sad

[tulip sun]

Oooh sounds like we might still get some new blue dragons

[mossy meteor]

cant progress further because it's bugged

all 3 of them show up as unknown

shitload of people here though

[silent urchin]

I think this means its still encrypted, might sort itself out in a few minutes

[mossy meteor]

yep

[rose escarp]

Hold up… this seems like a REALLY good place to have a Tarecgosa intervention take place. Self-sacrifice, huh? frantically waves staff

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-black-dragonflights-legacy-patch-10-1-campaign-finale-cinematic-333128?webhook

Rip black dragon council

Boring as hell

[rose escarp]

Then again, going to The Nexus - of all places - would be a perfect place to tie it in, given that’s where Tarecgosa originally died, iirc

[harsh mason]

Did anyone really think there would be a council? On what basis? Then each dragonflight should have a council

[rose escarp]

Give quest on EU! 😰

[harsh mason]

People are really trying to cling to any straw, just to present Wrathion as a leader…

[crystal pond]

The problem is that Ebyssian did zero shit for black dragonflight and now an aspect

I would understand if sabellian becamed an aspect but Ebyssian
Well
Cant have a expansion without shit writing i guess

[harsh mason]

It's simple-he didn't fucked up like Wrathion

As a Wrathion in 90% of what he was doing*

This is objective

[crystal pond]

Yeah but he did the earth-warder stuff

[tulip sun]

Who are the blue dragons that arrived?

[mossy meteor]

random ones

i'm waiting for this questline to decrypt

[crystal pond]

Imagine if it timegated

[mossy meteor]

its not

[crystal pond]

You sure?

[harsh mason]

People really invented the amazing qualities of Wrathion themselves (only because he helped fuck Nzoth in the BfA final. But lol, at exactly the same moment, he was so excited (especially) that he almost infected Azeroth, ruined Ra-den and such a "vae was under control". I do not know how it is ignored. In short, I have already written many times, no more vizhts smylsa, look at the actions, and do not invent fan fiction for yourself

I am already silent about the fact that he is 10 years old, he is a child, he still needs to grow up at least

9/10 Wrathion's actions are a reckless fuck-up and don't care about what happened

People: damn, he's so cool, I wish he'd become an aspect

[crystal pond]

Sabellian keeped black dragonflight alive
Ebyssian is highmountain guy who literally almost died to nzoth corruption if not wrathion
Yet he is an aspect because someone in team hate wrathion and cant make sabellian an aspect because character

[mossy meteor]

hey it works

[harsh mason]

Cataclysm-mindless killing of dragons, Pandaria-his actions are a failure, draenor-ignore, 0 help, legion-ignore (did not help Chromie), bfa-ruined Ra-den and almost killed all of us, but helped kill Nzoth. Wow. Yes, he is an aspect

[crystal pond]

Making council for black dragonflight would be right but hey guess not

Now wait for wrathion being forgotten, or killed or being corrupted

[crystal pond]

Thanks Gamerhcp for screenshots

[harsh mason]

Even Sabellian has more rights to become an aspect than Wrathion

[harsh mason]

Moreover, lol, Wrathion also said that now he will continue to help his flight, but not in the role of an aspect. Maybe like the secret police, he has a lot of personal mercenaries and scouts

[silent urchin]

huh

[crystal pond]

Cataclysm - start killing all black dragons because they was hunting him/have zero knowledge of how to cleans them from corruption (those fangs was nice btw)
MoP - helped champions to kill lei shen, also helped with timeless isle (or how this location is named), start being manipulated by bronze dragon
WoD – he is there, flying around tower, but wod was cut badly
Legion - story rewrited for new character Ebyssian
BFA - helped but also fucked up
Yeah he is still growing and his age affect him, but not that much how it show in Dragonflight
He did alot for Azeroth in general
Good and Bad
And its GREAT
Ebyssian is nice character but as a leader - boring as hell

[silent urchin]

is this a thing that's gonna play out over a few weeks?

it's way more involved than I expected, for sure

also damn, theramore

that one seems like it's gonna hit hard

[mossy meteor]

i have to do a quick irl errand

i'll be back in 5-ish

[harsh mason]

Well, from the Legion it was replaced by Ebyssian. It's not that he's Good and Bad, he's reckless!!!! All his actions were ALWAYS rash. Even if you remove Ebyssian, it still did not fit the role of an aspect

Even in pandaria, a Pandaren servant told him that he did NOT THINK, he acted on emotions. And Wrathion ett himself was aware, therefore he was afraid that he would become the second Deathwing

And nothing has changed in the BfA

[harsh mason]

Is it quests? Cool

[royal coral]

What are the rewards?

[tulip sun]

Thank you so much for this

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/FtD6DRmO_RU

[tulip sun]

Since i cant find the quest lol

[crystal pond]

Hell
SO IF SOMETHING IN THE BOOK IT WILL BE IN THE GAME
i was right 😎

[mossy meteor]

zzz

the crystalsong forest quest is bugged

[tulip sun]

😦

[mossy meteor]

it's bugged + people are dumb and just insta kill

[crystal pond]

Its is clear that nobody has tested this questline properly

[tulip sun]

Lanigosa is the one giving the quest?

[mossy meteor]

yes

theres a million people here

its impossible

[crystal pond]

You can kill questgiver?

[mossy meteor]

no

[austere gazelle]

So I was right about Wrathion, he abandonned the race ( as Sabellian )

[crystal pond]

They maked them "general and diplomat"

[austere gazelle]

while it seemed abrupt and bad handled , it's perfectly logical, as I described it here a few weeks ago

#beta-ptr-spoilers message

[ionic terrace]

many realms, handle it

[harsh mason]

Raszageth-pvp. The same dead

[silent urchin]

interesting, 10.1.7 and 10.2 PTR incoming?

afaik the incompatible ones are still 10.1

[rose escarp]

Wow, that makes this questline WAAAAAAY bigger than I could ever anticipate. Good stuff!

[silent urchin]

they tend to stay up for a while for hotfix testing