beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper pasture]

All nothing to do with actual gameplay or how your class is played

[rain cave]

nah artifacts and heart bro

even the WoD legendary ring

[upper pasture]

And people fucking hated that shit

[rain cave]

people loved the ring and artifacts

wdym

[upper pasture]

No point to reroll cause I’ll be so far behind or restarting my grind

[rain cave]

and those questlines were much longer and more involved

[upper pasture]

We must live in two different worlds

[rain cave]

I'm just saying that having a questchain to explain/unlock the new spec makes complete sense when said spec is completely new in function and story

otherwise people would just pick it up and be confused

every class has an introduction to their abilities

you need something to stop people from just picking it up and facerolling whilst not understanding

a short questchain is harmless for that imo

[upper pasture]

I’m not saying there isn’t going to be quest to teach it to you but if it’s locked behind doing the quests people are gonna complain like the children they are

[rain cave]

then further down the line maybe they remove the requirement for the questline

[upper pasture]

Regardless, the way I see it is 10.1 emberthal relearns their purpose/power laying the foundation of them being able to unlock that power for other evokers so that in the future we will be able to use a 3rd spec. And in no way do I see them dropping a spec on us that likely sees it’s full story told throughout 10.1 and likely the raid on day one of the 10.1 patch.

They won’t lock it behind and sort of quest chain because people will cry about unlocking it. Even tho I’m all for that since it will reduce the amount of people that don’t know how to play the spec in the slightest bit.

[dense plover]

considering evoker is an "expert" class where you even have to acknowledge it on character creation, they 100% could do that

[upper pasture]

Yes, but even “expert” players will complain that they have to run through a small quest chain to unlock a spec when any other spec in the game is given to you at 15. It will literally make zero sense. And again not that I’m not for this. I would like to see a tutorial of sorts for a “groundbreaking” spec because people would understand the spec better but I don’t think the community will respond to it in a positive way

[ember blaze]

the initial quest also mentioned not requiring the questline from the current zone so

[upper pasture]

what

[ember blaze]

Evokers only. Upon login you are toasted with NEW SPECIALIZATION REMEMBERED toast. This quest appears in your mailbox sent by Emberthal asking you to go to the Forbidden Reach. The mystery that was uncovered in 10.0.7 (not required for this quest) is about to unfold and she needs your help to talk Ebyssian down from a course of action she sees as folly.

[upper pasture]

it having a quest and it being locked behind a quest are two vastly different things

[ember blaze]

im just saying that theyre probably not gonna have people work through a whole storyline just to unlock a new spec

or at least open it up later

so if you didnt care about the forbidden reach, you dont have to go backwards

[rain cave]

I genuinely feel like locking the spec behind a bespoke, engaging scenario questline that teaches you how to play it is not outrageous

Just like artifacts

People loved artifacts, including the quests to get them

They weren't long

And there won't be a big uproar imo

Just forum posters trolling as usual

What doesn't make sense is logging in and just, having it unlocked

If they're going to add more specs to classes in general I fully expect a quest to go with it

[deep pawn]

WoW players would lose their minds if every class had a series of quests to get skills like ff14

[rain cave]

i disagree

just a vocal minority

there would need to be some kind of indcation that a new spec has been added besides it just appearing in your talent page

especially if newer specs are meant to break the mould of previous design

[deep pawn]

I said every. A single spec like this would be fine

[orchid hinge]

anybody know if there is going to be new ore/herbs in 10.1? wondering if i should save my mining knowledge or just spend it

[silent urchin]

so far, no new ore or knowledge points

there is a new node variant

[orchid hinge]

like the elemntal one?

[silent urchin]

Yeah. This is metamorphic. Gives a new reagent, although I'm not really sure what that's used for

[orchid hinge]

hmm

ill probably just save em, havnt been doing much mining since like right before 10.0.5

was putting pints into prospecting hoping thre would be new ores and gems so i could make some money in the begining of the patch

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=204460/zaralek-glowspores is the new reagent

[orchid hinge]

we get those from mining?

seems more like an herb thing

[silent urchin]

it's from both afaik

whether the current state is finished or not, who can say

[dense plover]

afaict it comes from everything

gathering, reward bags in zaralek

etc

probably even WQs tbh

[deep pawn]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1104813.png?maxWidth=200

SUSSSY

Is that C'thun or is that a Dragon with a void eye on it's forehead?

[upper pasture]

deathwing with void eye behind?

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/scalecommander-sarkareth-boss-arena-in-aberrus-raid-patch-10-1-332395

oh shoot, it's an upside down room

We're Anima-ing up in this place

[upper pasture]

that boss room is very nice

[silent urchin]

yeah I see it as deathwing with a void eye

big metal jaw at the bottom

[upper pasture]

makes the most sense since well...it is his research lab too after all

[deep pawn]

but that is on the void side

so he may not have built it himself

we're gonna have to dunk ourselves in the starry water to avoid mechanics aren't we

[silent urchin]

Compare it to say,

you can see the eyes and nostrils

[upper pasture]

honestly i hope not since that seems like very lazy fight design

[deep pawn]

it's no different than LoS'ing stuff

or what if it's to clear a debuff

[upper pasture]

i mean, did i say LoSing stuff was compelling fight design?

[deep pawn]

I'm just trying to think of what's the point you can swim in it at all is

[upper pasture]

achievement would be my bet rn

prolly applies a debuff or something or another and if X amount of people get the debuff and kills raid boss pop goes the achievement

[silent urchin]

I feel like it could be for Emptiness Between Stars: The target is stranded alone in the vast infinite of space, reducing damage done by 99%. After 15 sec, if the target has not recovered fragments of their mind, they are lost forever and perish.

i.e. go swim for your body or whatever

or well, this whole section Oblivion: Being struck with a Void ability causes Oblivion, inflicting 3 Shadow damage every 1 sec for 5 min. Upon reaching 10 applications, the target is lost in the Emptiness Between Stars. Emptiness Between Stars: The target is stranded alone in the vast infinite of space, reducing damage done by 99%. After 15 sec, if the target has not recovered fragments of their mind, they are lost forever and perish. Astral Flare: While stranded in space, players can absorb Astral Flares to gain 5% increased Haste and 5% increased movement speed for 15 sec. This effect stacks. Vacuum Dissonance: While lost between stars, the target periodically pulses dissonant energy to players within 4 yards, inflicting 49956 Shadow damage and knocking them back. (Mythic)

[upper pasture]

ah, looks like it could be avoid damage mech maybe and hopefully for tanks

oh lord

mythic is gonna be....fun lol

[silent urchin]

although the last bit is a bit weird, if you're alone but also near people

[deep pawn]

Oh man, Z axis fight

RWF types are gonna LOVE that

[silent urchin]

I wonder if it's one of those things where you can't see each other and have to dodge anyway

Like uhhhh

Dreadlords, was it?

[deep pawn]

they don't want you to need addons for this so there's no way you can't see players

at least it looks like there's a damage up mechanic while you get your soul back

though 15s isn't long unless you swim fast

[upper pasture]

you get movement speed too

with each dam stack

i wonder if it will be like swimming in water but at no speed reduction

[silent urchin]

this is the achi

[harsh mason]

Literally an army of void demons in front of Sarkareth

[upper pasture]

man, i'm so hyped about this raid lol

[harsh mason]

I like such raids, where the design of the final raid strongly contrasts with the rest of the raid

That is, literally the entire raid is made in one theme( black dragons) and its final part is in a completely different one( space)

[upper pasture]

I like raids that develop lore 🙂

[silent urchin]

they do normally try and have multiple environments

Vault probably a little lower on variety than most

although spider is still a fair bit different

[harsh mason]

No, at the very end, the theme of the raid changed from elementals to titans. Raszageth’s arena, for me personally, is one of the coolest

[upper pasture]

i mean to each their own i suppose but VotI was very bland to me.

[rain cave]

it's interesting that this random window is out there

what's the context?

how does he teleport everyone to void

[rain cave]

I also love this kind of teasing

since I was literally thinking about how the void could realize we're stomping old gods, and that the light is on its way to our planet

and start throwing more stuff at the planet

even if it's unlikely, the lovecraftian imagery of giant flesh monsters in the distant skybox approaching the planet and clashing into it is amazing

also I do wonder if perhaps there was a prophecy that neltharian was going to succumb to the void, but he found it before the other aspects/keepers did

and threw all evidence of it into space

hence the stained glass deathwing, if it is deathwing

[upper pasture]

yup so it is a go into the puddle type thingy

[marble briar]

So

Guess ill tallk here

The mural of the old god....that looks like galakrond....and as we all know galakrong had many eyes all over his body which leads me to believe now..that galakrong was an old god....cause lets be real why would a protodragon devour its own kind....it always drove me crazy to tey to understand that.

[rain cave]

well we know galakrond was caused by yogg saron

so we know it's old god related

[upper pasture]

galakron drank the unpurified waters and mutated

[rain cave]

but I doubt he was actually an old god, though it could definetly just be a void dragon mural

considering the void have always had an interest in disrupting the dragons, and trying to corrupt them

and there's a lot of prophecy with void corrupting dragons

that's why I said earlier this might be a shrine or section about deathwing

yogg corrupted galakrond

maybe n'zoth wanted some action

copied that tactic and used it on neltharion

and had a prophecy written about it

[marble briar]

Oh you right nvm

Its juat the eyes and mouth looked something like deathsings or galkronds

[rain cave]

sarkareth's arena has dragonflight architecture

despite being a void area

in neltharions lab?

or linked to it

so why would neltharion have a mural of his corrupted self

which is what leads me to thinking maybe whatever void bargain he struck, he knew he was going to be corrupted at some point if they showed him this

and he tried to stop it

same as murozond/nozdormu dynamic

[marble briar]

Ya its very weird cause he never looked like that till deepholme

[rain cave]

the key thing to know he's corrupted is the cracked chest plates

with the orange

all dragonflight architecture was made 10,000 years ago

so somehow, the void knew he would look like that (10,000 years ago)

[marble briar]

As i said the glass mural looks like deathwings face

[rain cave]

ye

[marble briar]

Maybe the void showed him hia future?

[rain cave]

would make sense

his frustration at knowing that potential future, probably actively fighting it for a while

drove him more insane, harsher

and he probably only knew about it after striking the deal

could be why he removed the black essence from the dracthyr, knowing tha they'd be corrupted and not wanting them to fall into the voids hands in a moment of clarity

[marble briar]

Thats very plausable the dracthyr were one of his best creations and he wanted to protect them.

[upper pasture]

can we really trust anything inside this void area. the void zones tend to distort reality.

[rain cave]

void visions? sure

[crystal pond]

all this may be just a distortion of reality and in fact there are no such pictures(?) there, but we will see them because void

[rain cave]

but this is a physical place is it not

depends on if we're literally being yanked through a portal or teleport by sarkareth

[crystal pond]

there is an upper floor on the field, and a lower one, where this mural is, and it is VERY much distorted

[upper pasture]

again who's to say if were even in the real world anymore at this point of the raid. we teleport up to the area.

[austere gazelle]

Its also possible that it was constructed recently as an altar for his adherents ( noticing the candle on the floor )

[rain cave]

Maybe, if we go by the distortion of reality idea it could also be Sarkareths following of deathwings legacy made manifest

Showing him dominating the planet, enshrined in a similar manner to an old god

[crystal pond]

I wouldn't be surprised if the all void space is actually a distorted insides of Azeroth

Or a vision of it

[deep pawn]

woo, longer ptr downtime

maybe it'll fix some of the issues I've had

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/10-1-0-ptr-realms-offline-for-maintenance-1567092

[silent urchin]

aww

might still get the build today, for datamining

[deep pawn]

has to be today or tomorrow cause raid testing on Thursday

[glass flicker]

Tauren need a new hairstyle called a Moollet.

[dense plover]

My guess is tomorrow and the maintenance is to ensure stability during raid testing

[crystal pond]

I hope in this testing we will finally see 3 stage of Neltharion fight
If those mobs will be broken again i will laugh

[upper pasture]

i thought they reworked the fight and took those out?

[crystal pond]

Only class calls was removed but those mobs not

Maybe in new build they will remove them completely

[upper pasture]

oh okay that makes sense

[harsh mason]

There have been cases when the boss was broken during testing and was not tested at all anymore

Well, I mean, the players were not allowed to test

[crystal pond]

Players was allowed to test and ppl said that mobs didnt spawn a shield again

Blizzard said that Neltharion will be allowed for testing while sarkareth will be not

For what reason not allow players to test pre-last boss?

[harsh mason]

I'm not saying that it won't be tested in the myth, but no one will let the players test it more than stated. That is, if it didn't work for the players in heroics during testing, it means that the players won't test it in heroics anymore

[deep pawn]

EXPLOSIVE IS DEAD!

[ember blaze]

Many sign of a build?

[silent urchin]

servers aren't back from the maintenance

so seems unlikely

[ember blaze]

that maintenance be rough

[silent urchin]

servers are back in the list, but offline

so maybe soon

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[deep pawn]

there is a weekly build to come they said plus testing tomorrow usually means tonight

[silent urchin]

testing sometimes gets bumped because of server issues

I assume that's the plan, though

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes/1541379/9

[slender helm]

Soo...explosives moved out for volcanic. Ragin is now free as it is just CC immune at 30% health (or sooth it)
Bolstering is WAY less a pain in the ass as killing mobs now "just" increases damage but not incrasing time to kill due to HP buff
Sanguine Time nerfed so it fades faster.

Everything good changes. Season saved?

[ionic terrace]

build out

[dense plover]

music is in

working on getting the files

[silent urchin]

leech nerf makes sense, I think

you could get a lot of it

even just that one enchant wasn't negligible

oooh, embellishment buffs for all the unused ones

weekly dungeon quest seems to have changed, not sure if that's new

[dense plover]

A smattering of music - 5 of 79 files. 14 of the 79 are encrypted so likely cutscene or raid music

[silent urchin]

Wasn't getting any of them just flying around zaralek

so files may be in but not yet tied to the zones

It does feel like there's a lot more effects etc in zaralek, just in general making the graphics nicer

particularly the entrance tunnel

[dense plover]

gonna check myself

loamm has a map icon now

looks like they DID add the new items to old WQs so theyre worth doing still

they finally added elementals to the entrance!

ive been asking for weeks

the quests said there was elemental magic

so elementals make sense

still think they need to add critters inside the tunnel

[silent urchin]

There were a lot more fire effects, I didn't stop to look in more detail though

but in general just more lighting etc

[dense plover]

no sound

[silent urchin]

much more red

[dense plover]

also dont go through the ohanaran tunnel

it caused me to crash

[deep pawn]

That's something entirely new. A piece of champion gear or a bunch of crests for doing 5 random heroics is awesome

That's not the quest giver that gives the weekly quest

[silent urchin]

I meant this build, it's definitely better than the current weeklies

hmm

[deep pawn]

Maybe they gave it to the wrong giver

[silent urchin]

It was the only one on the map, although I noticed the storm weekly was no longer on the map

[deep pawn]

Champion gear can be upgraded to 441 no or am I misremembering the tiers

[silent urchin]

not quite that far

currently on live she has one of the weeklies

[deep pawn]

What's the name of the tier from heroic then again?

I'm sure I'll remember them once I see them in game.

[silent urchin]

437, apparently

441 is hero rank 5

[deep pawn]

Ah, hero.

[silent urchin]

which is the starting level of mythic raids, and the maxium from end of dungeons, I think

[deep pawn]

So 5 heroic dungeons for a piece of normal dungeon gear. That's on par with time walking

[silent urchin]

oh, maximum from end of dungeon is 431 but it'll be hero gear

[deep pawn]

Champion 1/8 being 415 sounds low but nope, that's correct since that's current minimum mythic

[silent urchin]

not quite sure what ilvl the dungeons themselves will drop, currently they still say 359

[deep pawn]

I wonder what the item pool will be

[silent urchin]

But I assume they're bumping up dungeon base tuning, at least on mythic

I'm guessing either dungeon loot, or the generic open world set

[deep pawn]

It might break some things if it includes trinkets from dungeons not in the pool for m+

World quest loot is a bit hit and miss too

A lot of dud trinkets

[silent urchin]

some of them might be surprisingly good if you could get them at a decent ilvl

[deep pawn]

Ritual shells stands out

[glass flicker]

I found something a little sus. His scarf is red. Next month reward confirmed?

[rose escarp]

That first one is neat! 🤩

[plain violet]

Damn the OST are good.

[harsh mason]

Yes. The Sarkareth theme starts at 21 minutes

Well, I think so, since the same sound was played in 10.0.7, in the cutscene with him

[plain violet]

Yup, that's a remixed dracthyr theme.

https://wow.zamimg.com/images/wow/icons/large/inv_achievement_raiddragon_sarkareth.jpg

@uncut vault https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=411928/cosmic-elevation A new druid PVP talent, not yet on the PTR but added this build, with a cosmic name, description, and cosmic void icon...

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=412524/glorious-pennant A new pennant.

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=205762/tarecgosas-visage

She is heeeeeere. 🎶

[deep pawn]

Weird that druids would get that

Why not just call it hurricane or something

[plain violet]

Agreed, agreed, but the description is totally a legit talent. That could have been hurricane, wind.. no, specifically cosmic magic (which is nice), so it seem a balance PVP talent for AOE.

[rose escarp]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[plain violet]

🤗

[rose escarp]

I've been hoping (and, thus, hyped) about getting Tarecgosa ever since the reveal of Dragonflight, and... yeah, all the new stuff slowly popping up in 10.1 is just so neat to see, after keeping being disappointed by there being NOTHING in 10.0, 10.5 and 10.7 - especially with the whole focus of the Azure Span ❤️

[plain violet]

I hope it too! It seem we will have something for blue dragons considering the blue vestment we will be given...

And many arcane things are added build by builds!

[rose escarp]

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be much about that questline on the PTR, but perhaps it's - intentionally - part of the encrypted stuff. Hope it's something wild!

[worn crown]

I think it suits druids having this cosmic PvP talent. Moonkins have (had?) this day/night power thing, they follow Elune, and she is definetely very cosmic 😄

[stray crescent]

Hello, I joined this server just to make this joke.
Here it is.

If you make a Black Pudding out of Mannoroth's blood, does it make it green pudding?

My sincerest thanks, and I bid you all farewell.

[deep pawn]

Just a tad fishy it's data mined the same patch that's establishing cosmic void lol

[ruby tiger]

can anyone on the PTR tell me what they've done, if anything, with the current conquest sets in 9.1? Did they drop down to honor or can you buy the ensemble already?

[dense plover]

That doesn’t typically happen until season rollover which I don’t think is tested on ptr. Also it’s 10.1

Assume whatever normally happens will continue to happen

There have been no indications of major changes

[ruby tiger]

Oops, my bad!

Thank you!

I haven’t played in a while so I’m still nit sure how blizzard is treating “seasons” now

Does it go to ensembles after the rollover?

[dense plover]

Honestly I’m not sure but I’m sure someone might know. I would just ask about how that generally works in #wow-help

[deep pawn]

There's new honor gear added

New honor gear will scale to 437 in pvp

[ruby tiger]

Mostly just interested in the old sets, or what will be older sets when the patch hits

[deep pawn]

If it's like the last few expansions we'll see ensembles added in 11.0

[ruby tiger]

That’s a shame!

[deep pawn]

They want to encourage people to play during the season if they really want them

[ruby tiger]

Hopefully they might go to honor instead of conq

I don’t mind grinding honor points

[upper pasture]

They don’t, the last season sets disappear until the new expansion comes out then they become purchasable with marks of honor

I mean in a sense they are purchasable with honor since you can buy marks with honor but it’s not happening until 11.0

[ruby tiger]

Oh hell. That’s a shame

[upper pasture]

Or maybe prepatch

[ruby tiger]

I just dislike pvp is all. A shame.

[upper pasture]

i mean same. i usually wait until ensembles for anything past honor gear

[royal coral]

The new dragonriding mount is still not in the PTR ?

[dense plover]

It’s been on ptr for multiple weeks

Winding Slitherdrake

You get it from the 10.1 campaign

Chapter 4 or 6 I think

[royal coral]

oh well I guess I was sleeping in a cave

[frank rose]

I’m out of the loop, do we have images?

[upper pasture]

im not sure if we have images for the new honor gear yet. i know a bunch of sets were datamined but i don't think we know what colors go with what yet

[jade basalt]

This is the Aspirant gear https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/8Wp9v3n42KqAQAPU5aEJ4no8txYTLZhGIXdeU1svOpk/https/wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1069187.jpg?width=1440&height=629

Basically same sets as Primal Storms but black dragon themed

[plain violet]

Pretty! :o

[upper pasture]

yo is that confirmed the color palette for the honor gear?

oh yeah, neat it is. that's a pretty color for low effort 😄

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=205769/obsidian-aspirants-chain-shoulderguards

[ruby tiger]

Oh that’s good actually

[upper pasture]

im actually wondering if it's the bloody token set

[high cloak]

Will the draconic augment runes be replaced in 10.1.0? And do our crafted items become null?

[silent urchin]

crafted items can be recrafted to a higher tier with the new spark, although you'll be time gated by the sparks, presumably

unlikely there's a new augment rune, previous expansions ahve only had the one for the whole thing

[near flower]

the head is like Zeherah's dragonskull crown and put some color to the edge of the horn.

[uncut vault]

Oh hey you uploaded some of the exact ones I was gonna talk about lol

the second and third ones there use the void elf theme, weirdly

so either they're finally doing something, or blizz just ripped their theme and made it into the general Cosmic Void theme

[plain violet]

I fear that will just be the general cosmic void theme, sadly.

It was already reused in some parts of SL and DF.

[deep pawn]

A void elf betrayal is basically a given at this point

[harsh mason]

This is a Void theme in general, not necessarily exactly void elfs

Considering that in 10.1 they don't play any role at all.

[deep pawn]

I mean eventually

[mossy meteor]

should report that as a bug, it should be mythic dungeons

[dense plover]

uh no it shouldnt?

the reward names are literally heroic dungeon stuff

its meant to be for casual players who dont run mythics

[plain violet]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/title=742/the-elite-evoker

I wonder when we will have this title.

Maybe during the famous quest?

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=409896/essence-gathering

So that was added in the 9 March build.. 🤔

[ionic terrace]

That’s a pvp title

[plain violet]

Really? Nice. :o

[trim atlas]

any info about how often we get new sparks? bi-weekly like S1?

[deep pawn]

It's basically the same as the time walking weekly. Just doesn't award raid gear

[mossy meteor]

ah i misread

so thats a new event then

[deep pawn]

It appears to be replacing the storm sigils quest

A bit ingenious really. People upgrade that stuff 3 levels and then the last 4 require them to make a jump to heroic raiding or mid range keys

[silent urchin]

the storm sigils quest was still there, although it doesn't get highlighted on the map anymore

probably makes sense for it to stay so the transmog is still available

[upper pasture]

Maybe it’s just a new weekly for players that don’t do M+

[deep pawn]

It gives people reason to do heroic dungeons besides augment runes

[ember blaze]

it's from the tier set

someone typed rush instead of burst

[plain violet]

Understood! I would have tought something else with the essence rush spell.

[edgy ivy]

Anyone know which herb/ore nodes are present in Zaralek?

WH currently doesn't show any

[harsh mason]

Official concept art

[silent urchin]

Seen every type of ore in zaralek, including seams

although most of the map is just serevite, and the flyling limited elite area to the west had all the draconium

all variants, including the new one

[pulsar minnow]

I can totally see the Iridikron Boss fight having numerous phases with that second art of Iridikron. Kinda like how Gul Dan got super buff for his boss fight

First phase - armored. Second - armor off. Third - Dragon form

[harsh mason]

I also hope that we will fight him in his humanoid form. Otherwise it will be a crime

[pulsar minnow]

He’ll definitely be a raid boss but im not sure if they’ll go all out with him. There’s a good chance he won’t be final boss

We got the old god plot, murozond stuff, and then the Incarnates. Could rlly be anything atp. Which is funny considering how blizz said we’d have a good idea on the final boss after 10.0

Still rlly hope Iridikron is the final boss tho. He’s so badass

[harsh mason]

They said that at the end of 10.0 we will see the final boss. But the funny thing is that we can be like Iridikron, Nozdormu or Khadgar

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah exactly

I’m probably overthinking and it’s just gonna be Iridikron

Still really curious what the glass pane in Sarkareth’s boss room is for.

[upper pasture]

I’d say I’m leaning more towards Noz becoming Murozond is the final boss. He’s been acting strange of lately and he seems to becoming to realize his days are numbered as himself. As much as I don’t want to lose him since he’s my fav aspect

[pulsar minnow]

I rlly hope chromie can find a way to break the timeline and save Noz

[upper pasture]

That would be swell

[pulsar minnow]

I know a lot of the aspects have changed but I feel like losing Noz or Alex would really hurt

They’re the last ones left from the original 5 right?

[upper pasture]

Yeah

[pulsar minnow]

Damn that… really sucks.

He’s not my favorite aspect (that goes to Ebyssian/Wrathion whoever it is) but gosh he’s definitely cool

[ember blaze]

let new blood lead the flights

[upper pasture]

i mean technically neither one of those are aspects at least not yet, and i'm not opposed to new/younger leaders of the flights. i just stated the fact that he's my favorite is all

[pulsar minnow]

Well yeah I know but one of them is probably going to become aspect

I doubt it’ll be Sabellian at least

[upper pasture]

naw, i think they will form some sort of council. one of the biggest flaws of neltharian was that he carried that weight alone when there was truly no reason to and if that's not corrected then history will repeat itself

to me the whole point of DF so far isn't about who the leaders are but the fact that the leaders have a support system that help them. we see it in mostly all of the stories told in DF so far

[gleaming igloo]

Guys, the tints for Season 2 Tier Sets are on WoWHead, but do we know which tint is which? I mean, PvP Elite, Mythic, Heroic etc?

[upper pasture]

Wowhead has the two on the left labeled as mythic and the one on the right elite PvP

[gleaming igloo]

Here we have all

https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-season-2-rogue-tier-set-tints-datamined-in-patch-10-1-331818?page=2

but we don't know which is which. I guess the Black / Red is Elite PvP, gotta be.

[uncut vault]

all the variants are in game, you can find them in the collection tab

on the PTR, that is

for rogue, elite is this one, all the blue variants are (generally) the elite this tier

same with all the purple for mythic, and green for gladiator

[upper pasture]

wwait

[gleaming igloo]

I don't have the PTR 😦 Okay, the Black / Red one (Rogue), which one is it?

[uncut vault]

the black and red one is heroic

[upper pasture]

we're not getting locked out of the shadowflame color and the black and red as causal players lol

[gleaming igloo]

that's weird yeah...because for Tier 20, the Black / Red one was Elite PvP

I missed this, and I'm on the edge of not playing the game, cuz I missed it.

[upper pasture]

well it's not surprising that they shook up the colors and rewards

[uncut vault]

Heroic will be pretty easy to obtain via M+ and the catalyst, thankfully

[gleaming igloo]

I pray for them to make Tier 20 Elite available again in some way

I can't forgive myself 😄

[upper pasture]

they never do

[gleaming igloo]

yes. 😦

[upper pasture]

oh wow i didn't realize the "black dragon" outdoor zone armor has color varieties too that look nice as well

[little hound]

Irididaddy

[deep pawn]

I really want the elite priest set from this tier but if I don't hit 1800 I'll settle for glad

[harsh mason]

Daddikron

[scenic dome]

hey one question is it finall that the Vantus Runes for the new raid stays the exact same as for the vault?

[harsh mason]

No, of course, there are runes for each raid

[scenic dome]

Yes but i want to know if the mats stay the same

blazzing inc and chill rune

[harsh wedge]

Without new materials to craft them with, they are going to use the same materials as before

[scenic dome]

perfectly

then i am rdy i bougt 500k worth of those mats xD

[shut thistle]

Any Texas players?

[dense plover]

plz stop asking in every channel - thats spam and is against the rules

[shut thistle]

Ok, I'm new to this. I don't know. Thanks for reminding me

[tropic trail]

You should ask John. He will give you the answer, but he will also tell you not to go against the rules.

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/vhdgBFCEtls

[mossy meteor]

holy moly what a cinematic

[crystal pond]

Hype

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah the Incarnates are so freaking cool

I love that Fyrakk transformation

Also looks like whatever is in Abberus is the "aspects' darkest nightmares" so they know full well what's down there and it's apart of their plan

[crystal pond]

I mean sarkareth

With the void stuff

So they incarnates know about void but do they know about azeroth true nature?

[pulsar minnow]

They probably know she's a titan, yeah

It's like the worst kept secret on the planet

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk is maniac

A like this

[pulsar minnow]

I love the incarnates. They all have very "saturday morning cartoon villain" personalities but in a good way

[crystal pond]

I hope their second part of plan is the tower in azure span

Blue flight content when

[pulsar minnow]

They said this patch would focus on the Black and Blue flights

My guess is that 10.1.5 will be Vakthros as a mega dungeon with Vyranoth having a part to play (because those ice spikes surrounding the tower might have been her doing)

Then Fyrakk will invade the dream in 10.2 and try to burn it all down

[harsh mason]

I don't think any of the incarnations will die in a mega dungeon. Maybe we'll fight her, but we won't kill her.

After Anubarak, Blizzard no longer began to make important antagonists dungeon bosses (they realized this mistake so much that he had to be resurrected in the same expansion)

[pulsar minnow]

Oh yeah agreed

I mean look at the last 3 mega dungeons. None of them were exactly integral to the main plot. Granted they did all release at the start of their respective seasons so there was a raid at the same time

[harsh mason]

I still think Fyrakk could be the final boss. In fact, there is no evidence, but it just seems that way to me

[pulsar minnow]

I got a bit of a theory on what they intend to do with Fyrakk, even if it's far-fetched

In the past we've seen Shadowflame have resurrecting capabilities, able to bring stuff back from the dead

We've also seen those undead void dracthyr too

The Incarnates were loyalists to Galakrond, so maybe they're thinking about using the Shadowflame to bring him back?

[deep pawn]

so the Evoker discord noted that Fyrakk flew right over Daycare island and that's where the Sundered were too

[crystal pond]

Also Nozdormu as Murozond

[crystal pond]

Was thinking that fyrakk will use him self to raise galakrond

Since in ptr he is literally shadowflame incarnate

https://tenor.com/view/observing-albert-lin-national-geographic-the-sky-is-the-limit-curious-gif-23813424

The whole valdraken was like that when fyrakk flew to underground

[harsh mason]

Well, technically he is alive, since while Nozdormu is alive, Murozond may appear

[crystal pond]

I was meaning about the fact that murozond is dungeon boss

[upper pasture]

welp, that's that Fyrakk is 1000% just a distraction and the other two are gonna be off doing something else during 10.1

[dense plover]

oh i love that cutscene

i like how fyrakk is just a part of the plan and the other 2 go off

this is some return to old wow villain writing and i love it

[plush mortar]

He will show up like Arthas in shadowlands. A mention in a cinematic.

[crystal pond]

Noooooooo but what about a fight with giant flying corpse

[rain cave]

I like how he basically had his eyes glazed over during the tactical conversation but as soon as iridikron just pointed at the hole and said "go burn" he just ran off like a dog chasing a frisbee

made me laugh

[harsh mason]

He was so happy at that moment

[deep pawn]

there's a lot of debate on how much of a time loop exists with End Time dungeon

I'm of the opinion that Murozond's death has already happened in our personal timelines but who knows

some say End Time is gone as soon as we killed Deathwing but I feel those alternate timelines always exist along the main thread.

Since Cata it basically appears it's impossible to actually change the past, you just create new timelines

See WoD and Azmerloth

[upper pasture]

but that's the thing they were ALTERNATE timelines

[deep pawn]

yes, but what makes End Time for sure a "future" of the main timeline thus no longer exists.

Surely there's alternates where Deathwing won still

A salty Murozond who's defeated in our future goes there moping cause he thinks Azeroth is heading towards the true end time.

and thus closing the loop still

Time travel just makes stories hard cause either you get predetermined endings or things just go bonkers

And if Murozond never exists, doesn't that break time more than if he did?

[upper pasture]

the only time we've crossed the "multiverse" type thing is WoD tho no?

everything else was a "our" future type thing not "another azeroth"

thus end time was closed when we beat DW

[deep pawn]

Until Azmerloth

Like Azmerloth was created when a murloc got sent to the past

It didn't change our history at all

and bronze are always aware of alternates and appear to visit them

[crystal pond]

Still wonder where is Magni
but at the same time I understand that if he appears players will have heart attack

[harsh mason]

It doesn't matter. Murozond is definitely dead, but Nozdormu is alive. In any case, the appearance of infinity dragons has already happened and they will not disappear so easily. This is about how it was in the Terminator: Skynet has already appeared in the future, and as long as you don't kill him in the present, he is in the future (or will appear in the future)

The only option is to kill Nozdormu

[crystal pond]

Man it will suck a lot if Nozdormu will turn into Murozond due Chromie actions

It will be great for a story but man it will hurt

[upper pasture]

that will oof

it will hurt even more IF Noz knows her actions will cause it too

[uncut vault]

Would explain why he was so firm in saying that he'll always be proud of her after her declaration to try to save him

[upper pasture]

Right, that would be so sad 😦

[deep pawn]

Don't make Chromie cry Danuser

[cosmic beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/doitdoit-gif-27670853

[gleaming igloo]

Guys...what ilvl are the items from Raid Finder on the PTR, the new Raid?

[deep pawn]

add 26 to anything this season

[ionic terrace]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-ptr-development-notes/1541379/11

[silent urchin]

dang late build today

doesn't seem like there is a build yet

[upper pasture]

"Trophies of Strife and Bloody Tokens will be reset when Embers of Neltharion launches. Trophies of Strife will convert into items that can be sold to vendors for gold, while Bloody Token count will be reset to zero." muh tokens

i knew this was likely but it still doesn't make it hurt any less 😦

[harsh mason]

niffen riphttps://youtu.be/YWIMSYXLnQY

Another victim on the conscience of Fyrakk

[little hound]

Fyrakk is on a killing streak 😄

Random Centaur.
2 Niffen, probably more of the village..

[upper pasture]

random centaur gets a statue or a monument built in his honor

[harsh mason]

And even more on the islands when he launches attacks

[upper pasture]

Niffen prolly doesn't die tbh

[harsh mason]

Many compare Fyrakk with Strascream, but it reminds me very much of Baldur from God of war

[little hound]

He's not THAT Badass.

[harsh mason]

We haven't seen him yet after devouring shadowflame

[upper pasture]

the cutscene above seems to be after he gets the shadowflame fyi

[little hound]

That's..him In the cinematic

that's him AFTER Consuming Shadowflame.

Then he erupts to the surface, and the fyrakk invasion events unlock where he roams and burns

[harsh mason]

I mean, we didn't see his mental state after that

[little hound]

Oh he's probably unhinged.

[upper pasture]

his mentalk state isn't all that stable to begin with tbh

[little hound]

Iridikron ordered him to absorb the "Elemental Forces within".. Shadowflame Is not elemental, but FAAAAR Worse.

[upper pasture]

im leaning towards Iridikron doesn't want much of anything from the lab he just wants Fyrakk and the bad dracthyr to cause trouble and keep us distracted while him and frost lady do what they actually need over in that tower

[little hound]

Sounds about right.

[upper pasture]

and he's willing to sacrifice Fyrakk to gain the upper hand

[little hound]

Fyrakk is more a liability for him. He's unhinged and eager for power.

So I can see why he'd just send him off to do something he'd enjoy while He and Vyranoth get to work.

But what Iridikron doesn't know; He didn't know that he'd absorb Shadowflame. He's counting on Fyrakk to absorb Elemental Powers, not a mix of Void and Primal volcanic flames / Shadowflame.

I can see him attacking Iridikron easily with this power.

[silent urchin]

The assault world event is also after he consumes shadowflame

although we don't really fight him there

he is bloody huge though

[little hound]

Oh yeah.

He's fucking colossal.

Shadowflame Juice does that.

[harsh mason]

All right. Shadowflame will also allow them to strengthen their armies. Since theother protodragons will also be reinforced by shadowflame

[crystal pond]

Actually
Its fire infused with void

[little hound]

I'm aware. Although I won't count Void as an "Elemental Force". Fire? Yes.

[crystal pond]

Iridikrond is 100% know about the void and fact that Neltharion felt to corruption of the old gods

[crystal pond]

Probably an oppsie from ppl who write dialogues

Or they count void as one of the elements

[little hound]

I doubt they're accounting Void as an elemental power. Fire, Earth, Water and Air. Those are the base elements In WoW. Void Is a cosmic force, a form of Corruption.

[crystal pond]

Yeah
do Incarnates know?
They do count Order as cosmic force but do they count old gods and void as cosmic force and not like one of the primal forces of azeroth

[little hound]

That's a silly question. The Incarnates embody the very elements themselves. Of course they know.

Check the WoW Cosmology map. Old Gods go under "Void". And its a Cosmic force, not elemental.

The old gods were literally sent out of the void to Infect world souls, like Azeroth.

[crystal pond]

Yeah the problem that we know about that
But not everyone in wow lore

We know how death work, but do ALL characters in wow know how death work? Of course not
Same with void
Not everyone know about that old gods is goop of void lords that was send to corrupt world souls

[little hound]

The Elements are connected, so they'd know If something didn't belong to their element or nature, such as the void. Its like comparing the sea to oil, you know they don't belong together.

And there's been so much Void and Fel during the last expansions, pretty sure they're 100% aware of what Void is at this rate.

[crystal pond]

???
Hello they was imprisoned in dragon isle that was seiled away for 10k years
And they was cut from world for 20k years

[little hound]

You realise as they are embodiments of the very elements, they're connected to Azeroth. They feel change, just as they felt when Neltharion died.

Raszageth even said so.

[crystal pond]

It doesnt mean that they see everything
If they saw everything though elements Raszageth wouldn't die to us
And Iridikrond wouldn't say that aspects forces grew

[little hound]

They feel as they are connected.. You're literally denying things that either are OBVIOUS Or Confirmed at this rate ...

[crystal pond]

Btw everyone felt deathwing death

[rain cave]

Shadowflame is void infused elemental power

[little hound]

Weren't they supposed to come with an Alexstrasza Book ?

Or was that canceled..?

[rain cave]

Not a fan of the books so I'm fine if they cancelled it

Means more lore for me

[little hound]

True, lore locked behind non-Ingame stuff is stale, and people who don't read em usualy miss out.

[crystal pond]

Magni literally connected to Azeroth, but do he have knowledge that Azeroth have?
He literally going with champions to found out about azeroth and titans, and azeroth just guide him
Probably same thing with Incarnates

There is still book coming this year about dragons

Maybe this will make some thing clear

[little hound]

This better be a future proto-drake skin :3

I need this.

[upper pasture]

Shame it looks like if it does become a skin it’s gonna be another proto drake skin :/

[subtle oar]

Nope. Not canceled afaik

[subtle oar]

Less lore*

[little hound]

We do get a Highland Drake skin in Aberrus raid.

Just like this.

[harsh mason]

Even Vyranoth knows that Void is there. She knows perfectly well that she is in Aberrus

So far, for me, everything looks like Iridikron shares all plans with Vyranoth, and Fyrakk is their dog, who is just happy to gnaw everything (blow up and burn everything). At the same time, Alexstrasza will say at the beginning of 10.1 that Fyrakk has always been the one who was looking for power and strength, and he is ready to destroy everything in his path. And I see it in such a way that he absolutely doesn't care what shadowflame is. If it makes him stronger, then that's enough for him

[little hound]

Thank. You. @harsh mason
Was getting tired of trying to debate with him If the sky was blue or pink..

[harsh mason]

I doubt that such texts pass by the attention of those who write the plot

[little hound]

I love how Fyrakk literally flew above Valdrakken and down into the earth, and nobody noticed 😄

[harsh mason]

People have got it into their heads that Iridikron will definitely betray its siblings, but this is not necessarily the case. He is described as someone who thinks through schemes and plans, we also see him as an authority.

[little hound]

Dragons at the Daycare be like:

[little hound]

And Alexstrasza also said, he has made dark bargains that not even the other Incarnates are aware of.

[harsh mason]

He could make deals with anyone, but this does not mean that other incarnations will be against it. Fyrakk doesn't care at all

[little hound]

I think at this rate, Vyranoth won't care either. She just wants her sister avenged.

Kinda wanted to see Raszageth's visage form tbh..

[upper pasture]

i'd bet after Fyrakk falls to us Iridikron will use that to get Vyranoth to confront us since she actually seems to care about the other incarnates

[little hound]

I love that Fyrakk just naps and soaks in shadowflame, we launch a Djaradin ELDER's spear at him, and It just bounces off of him like a bouncy ball.

[upper pasture]

honestly i'd love to see Vyranoth see us destroy the other incarnates and be like "you know what i don't really want to die or be jailed can't a girl just like live somewhere"

[spring mulch]

q

[little hound]

Something just tells me that with Fyrakk this juiced up and unhinged, he might just clash with his siblings and want more.

[upper pasture]

diablo banner?

[little hound]

You don't soak up the very same shit that drove an ASPECT to madness and just fly off laughing.

YEah. For the anniversary for Diablo event.

[upper pasture]

oh he's 100% insane now if he wasn't before.

well.... if he was 90% insane before he's definitely 180% insane now.

i do hope we get the D4 cross over event before D4 launch

[crystal pond]

We will get more cutscenes with Incarnates and Fyrakk mental state in future for sure

But man waiting is sucks

I heard that Blizzard want to make some sort of event with D4 realease but idk if that official or just rumors

100% a mount or pet will be here

[spring mulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=206008/nightmare-banner

[upper pasture]

There’s been a few things datamined

Of course it’s going to be around the launch but I just hope it’s say prelaunch or half before half after launch so I can level some more alts without sacrificing D4 time

50% increased exp ain’t easy to pass up

[plain violet]

@uncut vault https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=412893/wing-buffet https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=412888/nightmare-breath
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=413165/lost-in-the-clouds
Sounds like scenario stuff.

Wing buffet is clearly for us, but the CD is short, so I imagine a scenario spell.

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/npc=206071/qulthox

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=412835/infinite-breath

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=190821/sunspire-battle-staff

[ember blaze]

Anything about the angel pet?

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/quest=74495/the-tale-of-hraxian

Story time

[harsh mason]

I just noticed that Fyrakk has a fire in his shoulders when he is told that he can burn his enemies. He is literally like a doggy that has been thrown his favorite toy

[crystal pond]

After that cinematic everytime when someone talking about Fyrakk i just remembering this

[crystal pond]

https://youtu.be/sCcvLcSQx5o

Well

Burning tree 2.0?

Also for some reason its give Ori vibe

[harsh mason]

Well, there will clearly be an influence of Ardenweald

[crystal pond]

Actually if this cinematic will drop after aberrus we can joke about corrupted tree 2.0

[harsh mason]

Night Elf fans won't survive another burnt tree

[austere gazelle]

I think it'll be a side story , that will lead into 10.2

[obtuse vine]

I agree, maybe for 10.1.5 or 10.1.7

[austere gazelle]

Looks like a souls beacon, almost like an Ardenweald tree, but on the other side of the shadowlands

cool design

[silent urchin]

I don't see any of that as burning, you've got the new tree, and then weird ardenweald soul stuff showing the size it'll become

[austere gazelle]

I think the little white dots flying might be the night elven souls

[crystal pond]

I hope this tree will have some sence for dragons because right now its doesnt make any sence for it to be on dragon isles

[pulsar minnow]

The dragon isles is home to the one portal to the emerald dream. It makes complete sense for the world tree to be there

[deep pawn]

World trees and dragons have always been linked together

Any trees they don't bless are inevitably corrupted

And that is probably still "sapling" size

[harsh mason]

What do you mean? Green dragons, for example, are associated with the world trees and the emerald dream, and aspects in the past blessed the world trees. This is literally the only place at the moment that has a sense of

[crystal pond]

I do not deny that it grows on the dragon islands because of the emerald dream, but do not forget that now the Dragon Isles will be the continent in which the capital of nelfs will be located

With void, with incarnates, with titans stuff

[harsh mason]

I don't think it will be the capital

But I can already see how Fyrakk infects it with its shadowflame

[crystal pond]

And i will not be surprised if it will be corrupted

[harsh mason]

Well, obviously, if something happens to him, it will become the main driving force of the plot. Of course it will not be destroyed

Here's another question: if the emerald dream is literally the dream world of Azeroth, then the Incarnations will try to purge it of any influence (be it the influence of void, be it green dragons and druids)

And if the emerald dream was created artificially, then even more so they will have the motivation to destroy it

[crystal pond]

Vyranoth will freeze it

[harsh mason]

I still remember that when 10.1 was announced, the developers said that Fyrakk was attacking the island zones for a reason, he was looking for something

And Raszageth was also looking for something in Azure Span

[crystal pond]

Its something to do with tower that she attacked

[silent urchin]

the fyrakk assaults are largely after the raid/zaralekk time wise, I suspect we find out more in the follow up patches

maybe the megadungeon will be what he finds

Tower in azure does seem a likely candidate for content at some point

[harsh mason]

After the 4th story chapter, it's parallel to the raid. But yes, it's clear that this is a kind of groundwork for the future + allows you to get used to this character even more.

[deep pawn]

Vakthros, Temporal Conflux, and Tyrhold are massive sites barely used so far.

I truly feel our last raid is gonna be an attack on Valdrakken and Tyrhold

Because my gut says the last raid is going to have a ton of Dragon Soul parallels

A 4th raid may or may not happen. I hope one does personally.

If we get 3 raids then the Bronze one is the first I'd skip

I'd say Vakthros mega dungeon, Temporal Conflux and Tyrhold as raids. I don't know what the 10.2 zone will be unless it's just world content unconnected to the raid.

Could also be some sort of Infinite Future zone where everything is jumbled and mixed like the Caverns of Time

[harsh mason]

It also seems to me that the final raid will be in Tyrhold. Moreover, do not forget that we have a red thread of history related to the restoration of Tyr and the forces of Aspects

[deep pawn]

Only reason I say Valdrakken and Tyrhold is because the seat of the aspects feels ripe for a raid fight and then we take to our dragons to fly to Tyrhold

[harsh mason]

Now Incarnations are perceived as the main threat, but: 1) the developers said that several antagonistic forces will be shown. 2) The plot began quite peacefully and was connected with the search for an opportunity for the dragons to regain their strength

I think there will be 4 raids

They most likely abandoned mini raids after the Crucible of the Storm

I think Temporal Conflux It will be like a mega dungeon

[deep pawn]

Vakthros doesn't seem imposing enough to be a full raid on it's own.

Plus where'd the new zone be for it?

They wouldn't do underground back to back

[rain cave]

kaldorei-cels btfo

its so over

[harsh mason]

well, let's be honest, people don't feel sorry for the tree itself, people felt sorry for the capital, which was considered the most beautiful in the alliance. If Stormwind was being burned, people would be watching it while chewing popcorn

The same reaction would have been if Silvermoon had been destroyed

[rain cave]

tbh silvermoon needs a reason for an uprez

blood elf aesthetic, as overused as blood elfs kinda are compared to the rest of the horde. Their art style is the most unofrunately stuck in the past when it comes to their architecture

what we have seen of modern takes on blood elf stuff, look fucking beautiful

so if they burned down silvermoon so we can rebuild it with modern tech as an excuse

I'm in xD

also just noticed it's called silver moon, but is literally made of gold and is known for the SUNwell

great naming belfs

[deep pawn]

I'm sure some still had some regard for Elune early on.

[upper pasture]

love to see that new enchant

[ember blaze]

yes, preparing us for the new evoker spec

[upper pasture]

eh, i wouldn't say that but i do like our healers getting enchants that help support the raid since that's sorta the job

[ember blaze]

you say that but ppl already raging about it

since wow has only ever been about personal performance

[upper pasture]

okay so, i never said everyone is gonna love it i said i did

and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

i'm not gonna be mad if my healer doesn't use this enchant but i know i sure will be using it on mine

[ember blaze]

right, but stuff like that is how it gets nerfed

so that it doesn't really become a choice

[upper pasture]

everything is a choice this just just a different one then the "normal" if it is an overperforrmer then it will get nerfed if it's better than a "normal" enchant then the meta slaves will accept it and run it

[ember blaze]

i do hope it doesnt get nerfed into uselessness that's all

[upper pasture]

the people who are complain now are just upset that it's not their stats going up but someone else's

which if the team crosses the finish line who really cares who's on top the group made it

and that's the mindset that needs to change. if you're doing group content as long as it's being cleared who cares who did the most DPS/healing. the boss has been defeated.

[ember blaze]

i agree, and im happy ion said that's a stance theyre taking(buffs)

so Im kinda still coping hard about a potention buff spec

[upper pasture]

i really hope we do get that buff spec but i wouldn't hype it up until we see something more concrete

[ember blaze]

mr gm has that interview tomorrow right?

i believe he's gonna ask about it

though im not expecting much until 10.1 hits

[upper pasture]

i'd expect a response be in line with "we will see what happens in 10.1 first"

[deep pawn]

the mrgm interview comes out on Tuesday

Taliesin today went "Tuesday? Oh, that lines up with something I can't talk about"

[upper pasture]

oh

[deep pawn]

Mrgm also said something about a discord call he was on

So maybe next week has some sort of announcement

we're due for Blizzcon confirmation any time

they still have the two ptrs running, be funny if they give a rundown of what 10.1.5 is gonna have

[upper pasture]

blizzcon

hmm...we are running out of time for an annoucment for that

[subtle oar]

Not really. Besides, Mike Ybarra already made an announcement that information about it will be coming out soon

[upper pasture]

yes and tuesday is soon

IE they aren't going to wait until oct to announce it

[harsh mason]

Where is Sarkareth???

[crystal pond]

Is that a full art or only a half of it?

Seems like just a half of the art

[harsh mason]

I think there may be several arts. For example , in 9.1 there were 3 ( key with Aduin and 2 with Sylvanas and Tyrande

[jade basalt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/1098796730000085072/image.png

Slightly different version here

[silent urchin]

I certainly prefer that one to the one that makes it look like deathwing has a massive hand

[ember blaze]

So no tyri battle pet with the upcoming event?

[dense plover]

the diablo event?

pretty sure its a goat

[ember blaze]

yes

i was hoping theyd add tyri for players

maybe they forgot about its existence

[dense plover]

i mean - tyrael isnt relevant to d4

dude has been dead for like 20 years

[ember blaze]

i just figured id be a good time to give it to players

i just want the pet

maybe in a future trading post

[dense plover]

theyre not gonna re-add an old pet for a limited time event

that would suck for everyone who already has it

a red goat makes sense

plus theres a ton of other cool stuff

[ember blaze]

i dont think anyone has it

[dense plover]

cosmetic cloaks, a banner, etc

[ember blaze]

correct me if im wrong

cause it's just a pet that squirt npc has

[dense plover]

this one?

[ember blaze]

yes

[dense plover]

yeah it was a thing people could get

[ember blaze]

oh i see

then maybe a trading post reward in the future

if they think about bringing it back

[dense plover]

"This pet was a free gift for attendess of the 2008 Blizzard Worldwide Invitational."

so potentially it could show back up, sure

but its probably low on the list because of how exclusive it is

[ember blaze]

that's alright 😅

[dense plover]

theres speculated to be 8000 in the wild

my guess is that is WAY more elusive than the swift spectral tiger

[cosmic beacon]

they go for like 2x gold cap rn iirc

or more

a quick check of the wow market discord shows most sell it for 30m give or take a bit

[deep pawn]

I need to get on PTR and see what updated wq ilvls look like

[deep pawn]

okay, so old WQs are capped at 376 ilvl and can do to 402, and old rares only drop flightstones

[slender helm]

One Question for the new Upgrade system as I digged into it the last days.
From PTR I can see you need 3x Wyrm Crests and 4x Aspect Crests for their enchanted Counterpart. Also I assume, from lower tier Upgrades you can "see" in the upgrade tab, you will need from 1/5 - 4/5 of the last Tier Wyrm Crests and only for the last Upgrade 5/5 Aspect Crests
So blizz stated you get 12x Fragments from a timed Key (16+ up) and 5 for out of time. And 10 Fragments for 1 Boss Kill, 15 for an Endboss (I assume here the last 2 Bosses)
Also they stated you need 15x Fragments to create a crest. So in total you need 45 Fragments for 1 enchanted Wyrm Crest and 60 for 1 enchanted Aspect Crest. Or otherwisely said:
4x Timed M+11 or higher Keys
9x out of time M+11 or Higher Keys
4-5 Raid Bosses on normal
to create 1x enchanted Wyrm Crest

And 5x Timed M+16 or higher Keys
12x outo f time M+16 or Higher Keys
5-6 Raid Bosses on Heroic
to create 1x enchanted Aspect Wyrm Crest.

Those enchanted Crests can then be used to Upgrade an Item 1 time. To increase it's item Level by 3-4 points.

Seems for me a pretty high effort for 1 single upgrade...? With valor this went way faster. Even the Upgrades from Primal Focus went way way faster...

Or did I miss any update on that stuff?

Oh I found what I missed. Those enchanted ones were for crafted ones only. Just so confusing... xD

[crystal pond]

Wtf is this

Void zombie?

[plain violet]

Void dracthyr it seem.

But I never found this model during my time on pTR...

[crystal pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fyrakk-visage-form-model-and-new-void-dracthyr-model-added-in-patch-10-1-ptr-332520?webhook

I guess its supposed to be in aberrus with sarkareth but idk

[plain violet]

No I do have Sarkareth models, it's not him, but maybe some adds yes.

Altought I didn't see those adds, only void elementals and such.

[crystal pond]

Thats what i meant by saying "with sarkareth"

Of course its not sarkareth

[plain violet]

Oh, ok!

Well maybe during the fight, as it's yet not testable..

But before the fight, clearly none as we verified.

[silent urchin]

Likely a rare or something, although it's a recolour/skin of Rionthus from the forgotten experiments boss

rionthus has voidy bits instead of fleshy bits, but its the same pattern

[crystal pond]

Its actually arcane bits, not void bits

[rain cave]

?

[crystal pond]

It was sayed in raid that they infused pre-dracthyr with arcane

By zskarn

[harsh mason]

Talking to yourself after devouring shadowflame is not a good sign🤔

Most importantly, he understands perfectly well what he is devouring, which completely ruins the theory of many people that Fyrakk is being used

[crystal pond]

Probably he is talking with some whispers

[harsh mason]

By "used" I mean that many ppl say that other Incarnations sacrifice them. But in fact, he literally always acted as the main force

[crystal pond]

I want to see how Fyrakk turn against his fellow incarnates just like neltharion did due voices in his head telling him "hey they think you suck"

[harsh mason]

Mommy

[rain cave]

wassat

[crystal pond]

suspicious

So, Vyranoth will be involved in Blue flight questline i guess

[plain violet]

Yeah, Vrakthos or something like that..

[harsh mason]

And perhaps we will meet Iridikron in the storyline for the restoration of Tyr

[rain cave]

the art looks quite mid compared to other blizzard concept art

or is it fanart

[silent urchin]

Not fanart

There's different levels of concept art though, this seems more like reference art, at least the second one

rather than pure concept

[harsh mason]

It's always been that way. Concept art goes through several stages: from sketches to the finished version. This is a ready-made option

For example in bfa

[crystal pond]

Yeah dont forget that there multiple people working on designs and alot just using their own style to facilitate the work

Only what goes into the publication has a certain style

[rain cave]

I know, I do gamedev

lol

just saying that usually the concept art they show looks quite good

I'm not talking about the level of 'done-ness' either

just mean the raw talent behind it

or the ability displayed, is usually high

that bfa one looks fine to me since

but the vyranoth one looks kind of amateur, not sure why

still better than my drawing ability regardless

[harsh mason]

Well, personally, I don't see a difference (in terms of quality) between the Vyranoth and Wrathion concept arts

[dense plover]

the current theory ive read is that the tweet is actually just mistaken

but who knows

dont be disappointed if we dont see her much

[harsh mason]

I didn't expect to see it at all in 10.1, so I definitely won't be disappointed

[rain cave]

I think the perspective is a bit off on the feet most noticeably

most likely because wrathion is just a guy, can be mostly traced over reference

or referenced in general

but vyranoth is more fantastical, and has those boots that look like one of the most antagonistic things to draw in 2D perspective

[pulsar minnow]

I think it’s just a matter of that sometimes they don’t need to finish a piece of concept absolutely in order to move into the modeling phase. Also, lots of artists on the team just have different art styles

Like for instance, Margrave Sin’dane’s concept art wasn’t finished before they just moved on to modeling her but it still looks fantastic and was easily translated into the game. Same thing goes for Vyranoth

[rain cave]

not about how finished it is

since I arguably enjoy more sketchy loose styles more

[dense plover]

i mean - the model is definitely done

its in the cutscenes

[silent urchin]

They don't show us all concept art they do

they almost certainly do the full process for everything - from high level sketch concepts, to finalised design references for the 3d modellers to work with

[uncut vault]

I mean concept art isn't made for enjoyment lol

it's made to create a concept, which Vyranoth's clearly accomplished

[jade basalt]

And it can heavily depend on the art style, or working style, of the artist. Can't expect all concept artwork to look the same.

[harsh mason]

I got this idea: in theory, it is possible that the emerald dream is literally the dream of Azeroth. And while the emerald dream exists, Azeroth sleeps and the elements are calm. But if the emerald dream is destroyed, then Azeroth will awaken and this will awaken all the elements, literally the era of the elements will begin. And that's exactly what Incarnations can try to do

[uncut lintel]

< . <

then we all die bcuz planet explodes into a cool earth women

[harsh mason]

We don't know how Titans are born, it's never been mentioned in the game, so it could be anything

[cosmic beacon]

When 2 titans love eachother very much

They do the Titan shuffle and boom a planet like Azeroth is made

[uncut lintel]

LOL

titan suhffle

[crystal pond]

It was actually mentioned somewhere that its in two ways: big explode or slowly absorbing energies on planet
But i have no clue where this is from i just watched some videos from lore-channels

[deep pawn]

The dream exists on other worlds too though

It can't just be Azeroth

[harsh mason]

If it appeared on Azeroth, then can

[deep pawn]

There's come conflicting lore, but I'm going with more recent that the Emerald Dream is just part of the life realms in general.

The dream we visit in Azeroth may be more akin to the veil

We have visited the veil between life and death multiple times, and we do every time we die in game

There are wild gods on every world and the cycle reincarnates them too

[uncut lintel]

its the universe from WoW telling us to touch grass

[harsh mason]

Fyrakk theme https://youtu.be/KjgOVCiEL4s

[uncut lintel]

i want his horns

[deep pawn]

a lot more choir than I expected for someone as wild and crazy

[harsh mason]

Well, I think that in general it can be considered a Sarkareth theme https://youtu.be/38gDeR1c1D4

[rain cave]

ye I remember discussing that a couple weeks ago I think

would make sense as to why the titans set it up

since it's evident they wanted to keep azeroth under control until the right moment at least

[jade basalt]

Incorrect

The only source mentioning world-soul awakening is Chronicle, which didn't go over the process at all. Just said that titans, after awakening, are criss-crossed with mountains and lakes and have cloaks full of stars.

This might indeed indirectly imply the planet becomes the titan's body, but in theory they could spin it differently.

[rain cave]

this theory can also exist alongside the azeroth dreaming thing which is interesting

just like how the shadowlands has a kind of blur into the mortal realm

and the shadowlands interacts as a mechanism with things in the mortal realm

the first ones, whoever set up that cycle connecting the shadowlands, reality and the life realms, set up elements of those 3 realms to interact with eachother

if Azeroth is some kind of core to that process, would make sense if one of the life realms purpose is to maintain that machine

just like how maldraxxus acted to protect the cycle, and the kyrian would venture out to ferry souls

there could be a fact of the life realms related to keeping the core of the life 'cycle' asleep so she's under control

[rain cave]

I reckon titans can amass a planet into their form

sargeras was huge, planet threatening

but their avatar forms can be/are more reasonably sized

and they could probably just be in that avatar form once born

but then again, are world souls even titans

or is it that the titans want to try make more of themselves using world souls

and world souls are just a neutral power that can be swayed any which way

which is more what seems to be the direction of the narrative now

[pulsar minnow]

I think the primalists just wanna destroy the dream because the section we know is the “Titan’s vision of what Azeroth should be” and their whole goal is to erase the titan’s stain and all. I don’t think blizz really wants to go super cosmic with this expansion.

[deep pawn]

Was Argus all titany because Sargeras made him that way?

or perhaps the answer is gonna be that even the void lords are gonna be constellation like

[crystal pond]

Also remember titans in cinematic and raid
They wasnt that huge
But their real form is massive af

[rain cave]

it seems the constellation design is tied to first ones, and the order people took it as their own trying to fill in for them

I reckon

or the first ones are just a branch of order, with titans being another, and constellars being order beings

but void constellation designs could be very cool

I could imagine them being sort of, distorted

multifaceted

[deep pawn]

3d constellations, haha

[rain cave]

compare the naaru to the void naaru

how the voidy ones are viusally more sharp

chaotic

aggressive

[harsh mason]

Well, if you look at the example of Argus, then titans are formed from the soul of the planet. But in the case of Argus, it was a soul that was used for about 28,000 years as a battery for Antorus

But in theory, yes, Titan is formed from the soul of the planet

[deep pawn]

Well either the titan look isn't actually order related and is neutral in general and we're gonna meet some other people who look like titans but are very much not, or Sargeras's order background influenced his development

[plain violet]

This theme is really awesome.

[deep pawn]

The Death pantheon was very fleshy

[harsh mason]

He's literally a living dead man. He has a model without a crown and there is a bare skull.

In fact, we are fighting with an animated mad dead titan

[ember blaze]

werent they a prime reward? 💀

or a store item

[uncut lintel]

no those were ragnaros horns and they look like shi

[clear parrot]

Do we have news about Neltharion helm and pauldrons ?

[pulsar minnow]

Not yet. But they’ll likely be a drop from Neltharion like other Npc armor

[harsh mason]

If Iridikron has made a deal with Murozond, then this will be the most powerful move

[ivory meadow]

https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1650924283776860162?s=20

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

Game Director Ion Hazzikostas confirmed that there's no 3rd spec for Evoker in Patch 10.1 but anything is possible in the future.

#Dragonflight #Warcraft

https://t.co/hAG0UnRpI2

Twitter · Apr 25, 2023, 6:06 PM

[harsh mason]

It was as obvious as possible. As I wrote earlier, adding a whole spec, without testing, in the new season is nonsense

[silent urchin]

Was there ever a source on that datamined quest other than a single bad photo of a screen?

[plain violet]

Yeah, it's in the data right now on Wowhead PTR.

There is 3 quests and a scenario.

Also multiple evoker encrypted spells.

[upper pasture]

It’s almost as if the story needs to happen before the player characters can learn the spec WoW

[rain cave]

i mean nobody was disputing that

could have still come out in 10.1 and had a story those things aren't mutually exclusive xD

[harsh mason]

The cutest war criminal among dragons

[silent urchin]

awww lookit those tiny arms

[crystal pond]

Iridikron will 100% win
He dont have tiny arms

[harsh mason]

He's cute too

[austere gazelle]

Not sure. Dream is not titan made despite what they told us. Its linked to ardenweald and to the SL so linked to the framework of the first ones
Maybe the titan made a layer of the dream but the dream in itself is probably connected to the Plane of Life

[pulsar minnow]

I know it's not Titan-made. That's why I said "The section we know"

The bits we've seen of the emerald dream were titan influenced. Anything with any connection to the titans is a target for the primalists

[austere gazelle]

My bet is that they can remake azeroth from within the Dream

We know the nightmare could surge in the waking Azeroth if left unchecked

Or maybe they can reach azeroth's consciousness from within to make her wake

New dwarves and trolls

( possibly )

[upper pasture]

i can't wait to level more alts 🙂

[silent urchin]

somewhat higher def image

still not great

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1650942094700081155 about 4s in, at the top

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

The emotional journey of designing roasted grubs.

#BuildingAzeroth

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I don't necessarily buy it as being meaningful

but every other icon are playable races

so maybe

seems like it's maybe vrykul and forest troll, male only?

Personally I'm guessing it's just old stuff that's never been cleaned up

or some NPC only things

[pulsar minnow]

The green troll just looks like a leftover jungle troll icon. But the yeti looking thing definitely looks new

[ember blaze]

why are the icons from classic

[rain cave]

that's literally ogre and jungle trolls

the left one is a bit more ambiguous

but would make sense since it's around the cata time

and people assume ogres were meant to be the horde race for cata but they changed to goblins

but ogres are probably internally tooled to be somewhat similar to play characters, after all they have a lot of animations, can equip certain armour pieces and DO have a model that was updated in WoD

forest trolls also relevant in cata because of the revamped troll dungeons

[rain cave]

probably internal icons for their tools

[upper pasture]

uh...so anyone else kinda surprised we didn't get any huge thing dropped on us today since the whole "oh that's not something i can talk about until tuesday" thing

maybe they mean't next tuesday i guess

[ember blaze]

who

[upper pasture]

Taliesin?

[deep pawn]

Apparently some creators received packages today?

[upper pasture]

strange, i wonder what are in them

[rain cave]

Niffen hats

Imagine

[upper pasture]

😂

[ember blaze]

like when they send them collector edition stuff?

have they done stuff outside of that before?

[upper pasture]

maybe they are D4 boxes?

[austere gazelle]

Pretty sure we will have stuff next week since they teased incarnate stuff

[upper pasture]

I mean of course we’re gonna see stuff next Tuesday that’s patch day but I’m referring to why would Taliesin say that and mean next Tuesday unless it was simply a mistake

[harsh mason]

That's right, I meant something else. On Azeroth, there is a "layer" of Dream (called emerald). The Titans could use it to keep Azeroth asleep. This may also be one of the reasons why The Old Gods seek to capture the Emerald Dream-to gain «direct access» to the soul of Titan

[solar veldt]

looking forward to the Trading Post items for May

[solar veldt]

maybe using random race icons to hide what really is? since both icons represent a male... :S

[deep pawn]

Feels nuts that if the pace stays the same we'll get 3 different PTR cycles this summer

[harsh mason]

It depends when 10.2 is released. If in October, then yes. If in November-December, then testing will begin in the fall

[signal bone]

Hope the trading post is scarlet crusade armor

For may

[rain cave]

that would be cool

so far we've had a nelf themed mount, a pretty universally themed armour set for the darkmoon thing, nelf (elune) themed blades

maybe something more horde friendly could be next ;p

I'd like to think we're going to get a full set to tmog for the monthly but we have no reason to think that

though they might reshuffle is because of the elune blades reception

goblin engineering style armour could be funny

[ember blaze]

working towards a final reward you can never use 💀 I feel like stuff like that should be reserved to be bought off the post

[rain cave]

issue with that line of thinking is perspective I think

people like getting niche rewards for their thing

if you scope all rewards to be available for everyone every time

then you wouldn't get stuff like the dark ranger set

[frank rose]

Another issue would be stacking “premium” rewards while not having enough currency

[rain cave]

or the blood knight set

I'm fine with them doing bespoke stuff

as long as it makes sense

arguably the elune blades don't

since druids can't even use swords or dual wield

I will say though that those swords very much give me "scrapped shadowlands content" vibes anyway

lmao

[dense plover]

idk - as long as they rotate, its good

[rain cave]

it's because we're in the beginning of the cycle

once we have more to look back on it should be fine

[ember blaze]

i dont see the relation here to the trading post

[ember blaze]

that's why freezing is there and the whole rotation of stuff

[frank rose]

Freezing is a solution with the current number of premium items the add sure. But more high value items, you just clog the pool

[ember blaze]

well it would be like the times there isnt a mount

you just rotate that top reward

[harsh mason]

At the end, the transformation of Sarkareth is shown
. https://twitter.com/warcraft/status/1651345538720178178?s=46&t=JnHiP_kKibjOKbPmUfJMWQ

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Face Neltharion’s most sinister creations in Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible!

New raid opens May 9 with Season 2 of #Dragonflight

Learn more: https://t.co/U8gTgQYuFn

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[dense plover]

"We’re also working to make it possible for players to convert Season 1 items for transmog purposes. This functionality, however, will be disabled for a few weeks as the Catalyst will be unavailable for a time, starting when Season 1 ends. Our goal is that players who are trying to use Season 1-level gear to get their Season 1 transmog set will only need an appropriate piece to convert. The cost will be free and players would not need to accumulate any kind of charges."

YES

BIG W

[deep pawn]

yeah, I had been rushing some classes

pity lfr still impossible to get

[frank rose]

This will do wonders for the alt economy

[dense plover]

how?