also square brackets as a binding sheesh
#beta-ptr-spoilers
rain cave
for me anything past 4 on the keyboard is renegated to a really niche press
like 1-4 is core rotational stuff for me
5 is hard to press
ctrl as a modifier is as well
hard to bend my thumb to it for split second presses
so all my modifiers are alt
tropic trail
i just use the corner of my hand
rain cave
I'd just press like 4 keys doing that lmao
but yeah mine are like, 1-4, q, e ,r ,x, v
alt modifiers of those apart from alt 4
mouse buttons
and some more chucked in
recently had to move my character pane key to fit C into it all
because I needed more button
deep pawn
I'm guessing next build is a release candidate
dense plover
@uncut vault vendor 2 just went to 10.0.7
(us) VersionsName: 10.0.2.47120 → 10.0.7.47552!
so its likely that the week after 10.0.5, 10.0.7 will be on ptr
also another vendor 3 build (us) VersionsName: 10.0.5.47509 → 10.0.5.47541!
echo sandal
Are there datamining streams before these patches come out? I remember seeing one years ago before SL came out , was wondering if there are for these smaller patches
uncut vault
<@175815785208348672> vendor 2 just went to 10.0.7
oh nice, looks like they're gonna go right into testing then
makes sense since 10.0.5 isn't really a big content patch
there's no need to delay stuff
deep pawn
well they got a tight schedule
is it possible for them to have a 10.0.7 and 10.1 ptr up at once?
I guess if they drop 10.0.7 the last week of March it's technically spring
10.1 is late May or early June most likely
crystal pond
Wait
So when 10.0.7 will be on ptr?
dense plover
Wait
So when 10.0.7 will be on ptr?
Probably the week after 10.0.5 releases
What does this have to do with PTR?
Oh I see - you didn’t follow the rules and asked in every channel
tropic trail
I asked In Every channel?
dense plover
Ask for help in one channel, #wow-help
More than one channel is considered spam
It’s also rude
tropic trail
I just did and was deleting this message before your toxic comment came up. Thanks
dense plover
leaden cairn
echo sandal
So considering the fact that the underground zone was datamined, do you think they designed it in a way that dragonriding will be avaliable there? Afterall, there are some MASSIVE cave systems under Azeroth, i think it would be doable. I just took this screenshot on my dwarf alt while leveling in some Northrend dungeons.
uncut vault
I think it 100% will be designed with dragonriding in mind, they'd be colossally short sighted not to
I imagine it'll be designed like one of the how to tame your dragon sequel locations, big open underground caverns ala Deepholm
upper pasture
Hell even deepholm was pretty big I can’t see them not making DR available in the underground zone of DF
leaden cairn
Imagine if they bring back everyone's favorite, The Maw. Ground mounts only
rain cave
They can also expand dragon riding there
Add new nodes to the tree
If its underground maybe they link in to that
E.g, next patch is about the 3 incarnates. So we get an extra node for each let's say
Fly through primal fire for a boost
Fly up underground waterfalls
Use earth tunnels to unlock shortcuts
tardy terrace
Is there any guides to WoW datamining? How does it work exactly, it looks interesting. I'll be doing some research on that subject. But if anyone is advanced in datamining, it would be great to learn some information from you 🙂
@dense plover you seem to know what to do and what to look at, besides detecting if there are new vendor builds, can you check even more deeper than that?
tardy terrace
Found out this tool that seems to be really useful : https://wow.tools/
My question is, where does this site detect the new builds and all of the tables? I get it that you have to extract the db2 files for example, but from where and with what? The CDN servers probably
This doc will help answer my questions I think : https://wowdev.wiki/TACT
dense plover
I actually don’t know much more
I really just look through the db2s
Sorta light datamining
I just do a lot of it
dense plover
In addition, wow.tools is read only and db2 compare will be gone sometime soon-ish
So at that point you’ll either need the offline version which requires downloading every full build and browsing manually since it doesn’t have compare support yet
Or waiting for wow.trace to eventually be finished maybe
rain cave
considering some gnolls are friendly, and they're kind of being afflicted by this decay magic. I wonder if they'd ever become playable.
their updated rig and animations have a lot of animations
they'd fit well in the horde too I reckon
distant helm
How can I get the last quest of lazarard kingdom “Walking of Loar”?
dense plover
How can I get the last quest of lazarard kingdom “Walking of Loar”?
wut - thats not a quest as far as I can tell, and what does that have to do with PTR
distant helm
wut - thats not a quest as far as I can tell, and what does that have to do with...
Ok I'm new in this game
twilit lantern
Found out this tool that seems to be really useful : https://wow.tools/
My ques...
It really depend what you want, some data can't be found in DB2, since wow.tools should close at some point Marlamin did a local version you can found here https://github.com/Marlamin/wow.tools.local otherwise for more deep datamining search about ymir and everything linked
tardy terrace
@twilit lantern I greatly appreciate the information you gave me. Thank you! I will do some research now.
signal bone
do we know where that warden set comes from yet? Is it confirmed trading post?
and it's NE only?
silent urchin
I don't believe it's confirmed where the source comes from, but afaik they're regular armour pieces
subtle oar
do we know where that warden set comes from yet? Is it confirmed trading post?
Yes trading post, not the first month, it will be the reward for filling the bar in some month in the future. It is completely cosmetic and for all armor proficiency and classes and races
signal bone
so horde player can wear them? Big if true
subtle oar
Pretty sure
plain violet
Yeah, it showed on all races.
dense plover
Yes trading post, not the first month, it will be the reward for filling the bar...
Actually I don’t think we know it’s for the trading post
Could be tied to a quest or heritage armor
But I suspect it IS trading post
Especially since it has color variants
subtle oar
All the reports I've seen about the set is that it's for the trading post
Just not the first month, as the monthly award for the first month in the tigers that match the sets
dense plover
Just not the first month, as the monthly award for the first month in the tigers...
That’s a guess
There’s no strings that support that
deep pawn
weird....
Why is the patch coming with strings to save Chinese accounts coming the day after China shuts down?
dense plover
Why is the patch coming with strings to save Chinese accounts coming the day aft...
Maybe they’ll push that stuff early in china or they figured out how to get that working or something?
dense plover
Another vendor build
My guess is another ptr tomorrow with weekend testing for stability purposes
Then another build Tuesday or Wednesday
candid ruin
Former new character starter equipment has been added back to vendors in Stormwind and Orgrimmar. Pay a visit to a local shop relevant to your armor type and see what they have in stock! can someone smarter than me tell me where 
dense plover
huh i was off by a day
dense plover
omg
Brewmaster
Resonant Fists damage reduced by 45%.
Keg Smash damage increased by 10%.
Tiger Palm damage increased by 20%.
Blackout Kick damage increased by 20%.
Spinning Crane Kick increased by 20%.
Breath of Fire damage increased by 25%.```so much more damage!
thank god
"New rare enemies and NPCs can now be found in the elite areas of Nokhudon Hold, Imbu, Cobalt Assembly, Tyrhold, and the Primalist Future."
"Some rare enemies that showed up on the zone maps outside the elite areas, have had their cadence changed to 1 spawned every 30 minutes (was 2 spawned every 2 hours). The health of these rares has been increased as well so players have more time to get to them before they are defeated." - good on them doing this now and not end of expac
"The new elite area rares and the more scheduled rares have rewards on par with the the elite rares found in Obsidian Citadel or Brackenhide Hollow." = they are super rares
"Orc, Tauren, and Highmountain Tauren priest NPCs have been removed from 10.0.5, but will make their appearances in a future update." - wtf happened?
THEY FINALLY FUCKING DID IT
!!!!Polearms from Shadowlands and Dragonflight have been adjusted to sit lower on the player’s back when sheathed. We’ll be looking into adjusting additional polearms from previous expansions in a future update.!!!!!
ionic terrace
some of the npcs had messed up textures
dense plover
"You can now use arrow keys to fine-tune the placement of elements in Edit Mode."
ionic terrace
hm
dense plover
"Major Factions map icons are slightly reduced in size to improve map visibility."
"The Dragonflight Great Vault now uses new art specific to Dragonflight." - i was right! they did change it
dense plover
"50276 MONTHLY_ACTIVITIES_POINTS Travel Points" - wtf are these?
definitely
"36370 PVP_WAR_MODE_NOT_NOW_ALLIANCE You must be in Stormwind or Valdrakken to enlist in War Mode. 1
36371 PVP_WAR_MODE_NOT_NOW_HORDE You must be in Orgrimmar or Valdrakken to enlist in War Mode."
ionic terrace
yeah
dense plover
new catalyst is called the revival catalyst
and it uses renascent lifeblood
WOAH
public order capacity MASSIVELY reduced
down to 4 from 20
imo a good change
and 1 per cycle, not 5
cycle is 57600000ms
16 hours
down from 24
candid ruin
""36370 PVP_WAR_MODE_NOT_NOW_ALLIANCE You must be in Stormwind or Valdrakken to enlist in War Mode. 1" thank god
crystal pond
"Not now alliance" Lmao
dense plover
looks like the bonus trading post coins are specific to owning dragonflight
"Owner of any Dragonflight edition. 10.0.5 Trading Post -: Dragonflight License (Bonus Tender Awarded) <DND> Reward: 500 Trader's Tender"
or its a new bonus for owning it
candid ruin
ah yeah theres a blue post on that
dense plover
some of the valarjar transmog sets (the ones from the mini raid) had some data changed - i bet they end up at the trading post
or trial of style
unsure
dense plover
there are rares in the primalist tomorrow
pet has the name and is back on the crate
ionic terrace
rain cave
!!!!Polearms from Shadowlands and Dragonflight have been adjusted to sit lower o...
? What's this change
was there something wrong with polearms?
uncut vault
for reference, this is how they look now
tulip sun
"Orc, Tauren, and Highmountain Tauren priest NPCs have been removed from 10.0.5,...
Due to the feedback (and slight toxic behaviour from some people) that they shouldn't be so human/alliance-like
You can see in the files (and a few certain ones in the ptr already) having new outfits and titles
@uncut vault Did you see that there are at least two priests already ingame? They have new outfits and the title "Seer" now- one regular tauren and one HMT
uncut vault
Yeah I saw
regal heart
pet has the name and is back on the crate
funny that the ogre pet shows up as an npc lol
do we get to interact with him or anything ?
dense plover
do we get to interact with him or anything ?
no, all of the major options are "npc" options
the mounts, some of the transmog on display models, and the pet
previously the mounts and pets were named Mount and Pet
i reported it as a bug
they fixed it
regal heart
ok ok ty!!
vocal sparrow
That's curious. (The russet hat is also flagged like this)
leaden cairn
for reference, this is how they look now
That looks way better! Does the character reach for the pointy end now though when doing the sheathe/unsheathe animation?
silent urchin
PTR update
presumably we'll get the RC build
Actually probably just hotfixes, realms are still up and build hasn't changed
dense plover
Actually probably just hotfixes, realms are still up and build hasn't changed
build has changed on the client - i assume it was a quick push
silent urchin
huh, it's like 5 days old on wow tools though
dense plover
they re-enabled the trading post
candid ruin
PTR Update 
dense plover
seems like it only re-enabled the trading post and shuffled some locations of previews around
unless those are sorta different each day
glass flicker
Sucks for the people who really want Ash'Adar but don't do a specific form of content. Like a raider doing PvP, or a PvPer having to raid.
You get it once you cap your Trader's Tender, right?
candid ruin
you can do any number of activities to get tender
you only have to do content you want
dense plover
theres a TON of content
candid ruin
a raider doesn't have to do pvp for cap
dense plover
it definitely doesnt need you to do ANY instanced group content
candid ruin
just playing the game you will hit cap naturally
glass flicker
Oh, I thought all activities give a maximum of 500, and you get 500 for logging in?
dense plover
Oh, I thought all activities give a maximum of 500, and you get 500 for logging ...
and?
candid ruin
500 for logging in and you can earn up to 500 more
dense plover
oh i see
you can earn UP to 500
but theres WAY more than 500 available by activity
candid ruin
if you did EVERYTHING you'd get like 20k tender but its capped at 500
candid ruin
only have to do content you already do!
candid ruin
the requirements are pretty low (at least as seen on PTR)
glass flicker
There's also fun things like ressing players, or /petting critters.
candid ruin
Yes! :D
glass flicker
Hey, it gives players more things to do, for guaranteed rewards. And you can even lock items you want, if you can't afford them by the end of the month.
Seems like this system has no downsides. So far.
candid ruin
very good system
glass flicker
I would suggest, however, that they'd do something similar with the Trial of Style event. There's no point to it if the rewards stay the same, and if the Trading Post does its job, but better.
Either fix it, or scrap the vendor.
dense plover
I would suggest, however, that they'd do something similar with the Trial of Sty...
i mean - they just added a bunch of trial of style stuff with this patch too
glass flicker
Missing pieces from existing sets.
dense plover
weapons, hats and boots, new sets
no
new stuff too
pirate/captain hats, beanies, frost/lava boots
etc
dense plover
Hey, it gives players more things to do, for guaranteed rewards. And you can eve...
also you can only lock 1 item
just to be clear
its a single slot
glass flicker
It's enough, isn't it? Lock the most expensive one, buy the least expensive stuff, save up for the item.
dense plover
not quite
you cant buy everything
you absolutely have to choose
theres something like 1500-2000 worth of stuff per month in the post
even freezing the mount option, outside of the first month where all owners of DF get an extra 500, there will be rewards you cant buy
glass flicker
Welp, I know for certain I won't get the store mounts, because I already bought the one I wanted. That being Shu-Zen.
The dogchamp mount.
dense plover
well, the newer ones arent gonna be in the post any time soon
its more likely we get the trading card mounts
candid ruin
we will have 2k tender to start
500 for owning DF
500 from the quest
500 from logging in
500 from doing stuff
glass flicker
Worthless Spectral Tiger. I'd love to see how Foksi reacts.
dense plover
we will have 2k tender to start
500 for owning DF
500 from the quest
500 from lo...
oh shit youre right
first month is double
especially with how many holidays february has
glass flicker
Son of my mother, you're right.
dense plover
but yeah - trial of style vendor got the changes it needed this patch
theres a ton of stuff
glass flicker
It better get more things added during the time the event is going on, too.
glass flicker
😐
glass flicker
10.5 is next week. Trial of Style is in March.
dense plover
so 10.0.7 will likely have more stuff
theyre adding the stuff next week
they wont add more new stuff before that
it cant be added without a patch
uncut vault
its funny, some of them you legit get just for logging in on release day lol
upper pasture
yeah they are giving out 500 the first month for buying DF
but those are just the quests
silent urchin
there were also 500 as an apparently one-time reward for the tutorial, I'm unclear if that's the 500 free for owning DF or not
upper pasture
that's nice that you retro actively get them from the quests if you already did them
silent urchin
Anyway, in terms of filling up the bar, that takes 1000 points and there's at least like.. 8k available
you can probably do it in about half an hour
dense plover
its funny, some of them you legit get just for logging in on release day lol
yeah im curious how those work when the next month comes
are they one time only or do they reset?
silent urchin
I get the feeling it'll rotate through the four zones for the first four months
after that, dunno
candid ruin
did they switch back to points or is that an old screenshot?
they changed it to percentage at one point
north axle
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-get-revival-catalyst-charges-in-dragonflight-season-1-331059
curious, but did anyone at all test a single PVP activity for this?
it says group content and pvp is nothing, but group content so by definition it SHOULD count, but there's no mention of it
vocal sparrow
they changed it so old white event items don't unlock the event outfit full time, it just unlocks it the same as the green
dense plover
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-get-revival-catalyst-charges-in-dragonflight...
was added on twitter
north axle
yes ik
autumn jetty
1+
echo sandal
Can we expect 0.7 stuff on ptr soon when 0.5 goes live? 
echo sandal
Is this fake or real? Saw on forums
uncut vault
It is, that's from beta
they just prepped it mechanically so that they can use all the dungeons from WoD and MoP through the expansions on the same format
ember blaze
they just prepped it mechanically so that they can use all the dungeons from WoD...
i dont understand what this means
ionic terrace
lovely shade of green
echo sandal
lovely shade of green
Seems like the legion is back
rain cave
lovely shade of green
dw they'll just composite it out later with chroma keying
uncut vault
i dont understand what this means
They added all the dungeons from both expansions at the same time so that when they want to use them later, they can just flip a switch and make it eligible for that season rather than needing to individually integrate M+ into the ones chosen for that season
deep pawn
10.0.7 being on vendor and the need for 2 patches before June 20th greatly implies PTR soon again
We're 38 days from spring
Well, meteorological spring. Blizzard spring is 58 days
crystal pond
Patch 10.1 will drop in spring
And before that there is 10.0.7
So yeah ptr will probably be open in February if not sooner
subtle oar
There’s no strings that support that
stiff ibex
uh oh.
stiff ibex
i'm not sure :c the screenshots from my friend, i can ask tho
stiff ibex
does the green quality one still have the restriction?
sorry for the late response, he said yes both versions are locked :(
stiff ibex
why do they limit holiday tmogs 😭
fun: detected 
deep pawn
last second ptr build?
echo sandal
Well, seeing that Trading Post picture I hope it was just the green one
ionic terrace
now to wait for 10.0.7 ptr 
echo sandal
Gimme that human heritage armor datamined
hoary trail
Gimme that human heritage armor datamined
oh? do you have a link?
echo sandal
oh? do you have a link?
I meant as I cant wait for it
leaden cairn
Yeah, but link?
dense plover
"New courses are now available. Speak to Celormu in Skytop Observatory for the Reverse Tour quest." - they implemented the reverse races!
""Community Feast" can now be accepted during the 15-minute period prior to the soup cooking event." - god tier change
uncut vault
now to wait for 10.0.7 ptr <:KEKW:762561698002763787>
well the realms did go down, and there's a 10.0.7 vendor build from a few weeks ago lol
is the duelist enchant on ptr yet
ivory meadow
what does that mean?
ionic terrace
idk, it's weird that they would have two PTRs
@dense plover
Pinging you cause this seems interesting
ionic terrace
well it's still hooked up to 1.14.3
dense plover
heritage armor looks good
lol monk getting the 3 races that make the least sense finally
ionic terrace
maybe they want more testing on the Trading Post for 10.0.5? idk
i'm interested in seeing how they handle worgen/goblin monks
cause of their starter zones
it's weird, the data calls them PTR Version A and PTR Version B
dense plover
cause of their starter zones
i mean - default start is universal and i assume they would just get the normal goblin/worgen start otherwise - cant see it causing much conflict
ionic terrace
Yeah
The only thing I can really think of is the one specific "class quest" - now a days you just pick up a single quest to move on
I imagine if they do anything with that it'll just be to unite them all to one person
oh the sets have variations too
orc clans and human kingdoms i would think
crystal pond
Cant wait to see how ppl will go with those sets 
dense plover
i assume that means yeah, covering different tribes and hopefully human kingdoms
ionic terrace
dense plover
would love a lordaeron set
crystal pond
So i dont understand
Is ptr online already or it still offline?
uncut lintel
i want 0.7 now when does it come out 
languid yoke
lol monk getting the 3 races that make the least sense finally
but forsaken and gnome had it for ages
glass flicker
Not a fan of the human one. It's just another plate set. You've seen one, you've seen 'em all.
uncut lintel
Not a fan of the human one. It's just another plate set. You've seen one, you've...
kinda expected it tbh
humans love their same sets
glass flicker
The Stormwind, Warfront and heritage sets are the same idea with different execution.
uncut lintel
i wanna se the other variations but i bet for human itll barely be different
the orc one is nice tho but skull needs more horns and be bigger thanks
glass flicker
I know for certain they'll get a robe version, and a recolor that's full silver instead of having gold accents, for Lordaeron.
glass flicker
the orc one is nice tho but skull needs more horns and be bigger thanks <:KEKW:6...
The orc one will have a red recolor, mark my words.
uncut lintel
💀
im marking them im marking them
i just cant wait for troll heritage if i ever live to see it personally
glass flicker
Get Handclaw to make the designs.
uncut lintel
who?
glass flicker
Handclaw made heritage sets for every class.
uncut lintel
i like thr natural colors from shaman and hunter and i like DK and monk because glowy
warlock too, gives me that
guy from princess and the frog voodoo guy
glass flicker
Or just make your own designs, you're an artist.
uncut lintel
eww
glass flicker
Maybe it will even land you a job at Blizzard.
uncut lintel
no thanks i dont wanna work at blizzard anymore
that childhood dream was crushed thhe moment they were turning women into fruits
glass flicker
There is a joke in poor taste I could make there.
uncut lintel
glass flicker
Gays being called fruits and all.
uncut lintel
wait really
can we be any fruit
i wanna be a watermelon
no water no melon, just full of spiteful black seeds
@glass flicker how do u feel abt the new class/race combinations?
glass flicker
Goblins paid the pandas. Worgen turned to the pandas to learn self control and patience. Lightforged... Make no goddamn sense.
echo sandal
why cant we have a heritage armor like this for humans, the backpiece could go around
uncut lintel
because
echo sandal
watch, recolors will be the same as warfront recolors
uncut lintel
glass flicker
Because they turn Foksies into fruit.
echo sandal
instead of red/white for example
echo sandal
or why dont we get civilian mog? long coats, etc. someone recreated the worgen one into long coats and it looks amazing https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/021/146/840/large/jan-kowalski-worgen-heritage-copy.jpg?1570561578
glass flicker
Speak for yourself, Whitemane and Vanessa VanCleef have always looked good.
uncut lintel
Speak for yourself, Whitemane and Vanessa VanCleef have always looked good.
arnt they evil bcuz scarllete crusade
but true
glass flicker
They're still humans in red.
uncut lintel
o
uncut lintel
or why dont we get civilian mog? long coats, etc. someone recreated the worgen ...
the trench coat makes me feel things
i love trenchc oats
echo sandal
same
deep pawn
Slightly disappointed in the heritage sets. They really have struggled with any that aren't allied races
The arathi sets outsell that
ivory meadow
hmm
deep pawn
hmm
uncut vault
weird, now the 10.0.5 ptr has the classic realmlist <:frog_huh:10160428498186609...
I think theyre having issues transferring stuff over since the 10.0.7 was originally the classic PTR
or well, still is lol
upper pasture
What are the chances 10.0.7 is 3 months away? (Asking for someone is 3 months away from finishing the current RAF track)
uncut vault
likely a bit less than three
they seem to be going for a two month patch cadence
with major patches every six
dense plover
@ionic terrace they moved the portal UI to the side
ionic terrace
Did I ask about that? I honestly can’t remember lol
I didn’t test the storms because my only 70 is an evoker and wouldn’t copy
dense plover
i thought we tested them
who did i play with briefly.....
hmmm
whatever worth noting either way and a good change
deep pawn
they seem to be going for a two month patch cadence
So, I don't know if I trust Blizzard to test an entire raid tier in just 2 months
Makes me think as small as this next patch is that it might be out in like 5-6 weeks
pseudo holly
I just noticed theres separate ptr clients for 10.0.5 and 10.0.7 kind of strange
and for some reason the 10.0.7 uses wow classic login screen
silent urchin
they haven't put the build for it up, so it's still on an old classic version that was using that set of ptr realms
deep pawn
I guess they removed the achievements for orders that gave knowledge eh?
dense plover
so going theory for the 2 ptrs is so they can test 10.1 while testing 10.0.7
not for testing 10.0.5 and 10.0.7
crystal pond
Maybe
Or maybe its just a mistake and it will be fixed soon
Will see when ptr will be online for sure
urban spire
deep pawn
Well they do have to test a whole raid tier and 8 new dungeons for m+
The 4 DF dungeons not in this season are so not ready
Plus the likely 10.1 zone
austere gazelle
The 4 DF dungeons not in this season are so not ready
Brackendhide MM+ .. not looking forward for it
pseudo holly
Ret Paladin rework lets go
rain cave
just had the intrusive thought that the 2 adjacent power on the cosmology chart are designed to keep the one between them in check
the titans are obsessed with keeping the void in check, and the machine of death in the shadowlands was also designed with a purpose in mind.
One that the void tried to invade and disrupt
the shadowlands also being related to a veil, and I believe that it's been discussed that a veil is what prevents the void from leaking into reality directly
this would explain why the void has always saught to corrupt things adjacent to it as well, those are the things imprisoning them
we are mortals, inherently tied to death. The void also wishes to corrupt the titans, to have that power
but this also applies in the other way too
look at the light
the light is all about having a singular purpose, being the "one true" thing
but is adjacent to life and chaos, the two things that are infinitely variable
army of the light was fighting the legion primarily, not the void.
And as we've seen with draenor, when left unfettered they tried to corrupt life.
jade basalt
When do we expect 0.7 to drop?
uncut vault
March 21st-28th is the safest bet
they seem to be looking for a consistent two month patch cycle, with six months between major patches
two months seems a decent amount of time to test the three main story things + holiday updates for 10.0.7
silent urchin
next major holiday is easter, which is the start of april this year, so that fits
I think there were already changes for valentines in the 10.0.5 patch?
ivory meadow
When do we expect 0.7 to drop?
in terms of first PTR drop; maybe this week?
crystal pond
I think it will be 1-2 February
Since trading post droping there
upper pasture
Well atleast we will get to see the new RAF stuff lol
Hopefully they put the old stuff into trading post or else I’ll forever miss the outfit
pseudo holly
looking forward to the Ret Paladin changes
ivory meadow
uncut lintel
O_O 0.7 going to release this fast?
cosmic beacon
does this mean
we only have to do balance of power once?
and ur alts just need the extra criteria for the other appearances
uncut lintel
: o
pseudo holly
No mage buffs 😢
uncut lintel
why the hell is it so much news on 0.7 already when 0.5 just came out
upper pasture
6 new DR races 😄
dense plover
oh shit - new dragonriding abilities in a not major patch?
upper pasture
yeah an airbrake like people wanted
dense plover
THEY ADDED A BRAKE!
Aerial Halt – Flap back, reducing forward movement.
holy shit
yes
upper pasture
their listening
dense plover
16 new customization manuscripts have been added. - 4 new options per drake, yeah?
deep pawn
I'm excited. BoP on all my alts now
I've done BoP like 6 times and this is long overdue
pseudo holly
no mention of the heritage armor in the patch notes
dense plover
ptr isnt up yet, right?
dense plover
no mention of the heritage armor in the patch notes
probably not in this build
these are development notes
ivory meadow
no
uncut vault
these are development notes
they mention the forbidden reach despite it being in a future build, is the weird bit
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
glass fulcrum
"The Balance of Power questline artifact appearance rewards are now account-wide. After unlocking the base appearance, the criteria for additional color variants (such as the Glory of the Legion Hero and Unleashed Monstrosities achievements) may be completed on any character to earn the appearances."
holy hell finally
I did this quest like two weeks ago on my shaman, I bought all the timewalking badges I'd need to do it on my warrior but oh well lmao
subtle oar
O_O 0.7 going to release this fast?
Huh? owo
ionic terrace
build out
ivory meadow
servers are showing incompatible for me
pseudo holly
same
dense plover
is 10.0.7 replacing 10.0.5 ptr?
or is it separate
holy shit
monks got a 10% vs magic stagger buff
so good
mighty spruce
or is it separate
is separate
uncut vault
yeah it's on the old classic PTR
and I think wowhead's having some issues getting it into the database haha
dense plover
someone ping me when servers are up
pseudo holly
https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-zulgurub-transmog-ensembles-recipes-and-achievements-on-patch-10-0-7-331247?webhook well thats interesting could Zul Gurub be a mythic plus dungeon
dense plover
transmog ensembles imply more likely things like anniversary events
or new holidays
" Hearthfire Fellowship Rank 1 (New)
Hearthfire Fellowship Rank 2 (New)
Hearthfire Fellowship Rank 3 (New)
Hearthfire Fellowship Rank 4 (New)" - maybe finally FINALLYY using the hearthstone tavern? (/copium)
dense plover
"Dragon Glyphs: Caldera of the Menders (New) Collect the dragon glyph near the Caldera of the Menders Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: Dragonskull Island (New) Collect the dragon glyph near Dragonskull Island Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: Fragstone Vault (New) Collect the dragon glyph near Fragstone Vault Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: Northwind Point (New) Collect the dragon glyph near Northwind Point Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: Stormsunder Mountain (New) Collect the dragon glyph near Stormsunder Mountain Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: Talonlord's Perch (New) Collect the dragon glyph near Talonlord's Perch Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: Talon's Watch (New) Collect the dragon glyph near Talon's Watch Account Wide.
Dragon Glyphs: War Creche (New) Collect the dragon glyph near the War Creche Account Wide." - it looks like a shit ton of new glyphs
mighty spruce
Should be 8 I think, mentioned in 10.0.7 patch notes bluepost, even two new dragon riding talents
dense plover
looks like brewmaster and windwalker also got damage buffs
they might be removing language restrictions
looks like profession updates too
so this is going to be a fairly decent patch
"EMPTY_SOCKET_PRIMORDIAL (New) - Primordial Socket" - some kind of crafting socket thing
"ERR_SOCKETING_PRIMORDIAL_GEM_ONLY_IN_PRIMORDIALSLOT (New) - Primordial gems can only be placed in Primordial sockets."
uh oh
"ERR_SOCKETING_REQUIRES_PRIMORDIAL_GEM (New) - That slot requires a Primordial gem."
"PLAYER_CHOICE_ENVOY_CENTAUR (New) - Are you sure you wish to start helping Maruuk Centaur today?
PLAYER_CHOICE_ENVOY_EXPLORERS (New) - Are you sure you wish to start helping Dragonscale Expedition today?
PLAYER_CHOICE_ENVOY_TUSKARR (New) - Are you sure you wish to start helping Iskaara Tuskarr today?
PLAYER_CHOICE_ENVOY_VALDRAKKEN (New) - Are you sure you wish to start helping Valdrakken Accord today?"
i assume this is tied to the new forbidden reach stuff aka Broken Shores 2.0
"PROF_CRAFTING_ORDER_TYPE_GUILD (New) - guild
PROF_CRAFTING_ORDER_TYPE_PERSONAL (New) - personal
PROF_CRAFTING_ORDER_TYPE_PUBLIC (New) - public" - were guild orders a thing already?
" Hearthfire Fellowship (New) - The Dracthyr factions and members of the major factions have banded together to secure The Forbidden Reach." - its a new rep for the reach
probably doesnt have renown
this seems significant @uncut vault
some kind of scenario tied to thrall?
i bet theyre bringing him in and tying the elements stuff into 10.1
seems like zskera vaults might end up sorta like torghast maybe?
woah
a TON of new community feast events
just like - an absolute shit load
new primal storms
you can learn to speak furbolg
uncut vault
this seems significant <@175815785208348672>
Yeah like I said elsewhere I think it's about drek'thar/orc heritage
upper pasture
you can learn to speak furbolg
Oh thank god they aren’t forgetting about them
dense plover
Yeah like I said elsewhere I think it's about drek'thar/orc heritage
makes more sense
primal sockets worries me though
i really hope theyre not korthia/raid gems
i would prefer them being pve world exclusive stuff
or tied to the vaults
oh sick, new hair
theyre actually updating characters!
upper pasture
They might be or maybe only new storm stuff like the heat/cold stuff
upper pasture
I doubt they will do that again especially so soon
pseudo holly
new hair colrs whooo
uncut vault
jumpscare
uncut vault
glass flicker
Did Baine use that during the previous expansion that shall not be named?
upper pasture
is there one of those potions for being invisible for nearly an expansion
damn too slow!
glass flicker
Baine be like
/sit
crystal pond
"I will repay you, champion, for saving me"
upper pasture
he kinda did tho by staying out of the way he didn't cause any more trouble
pseudo holly
I dont miss those invincibility in shadowlands at all
uncut vault
baine finally doing something pog
dense plover
😦
ah yes - tuesday, february 1st
my favorite nonexistant day
today is tuesday
tomorrow is wednesday the 1st
pseudo holly
they had to cut calendars from the budget 🤣
crystal pond
glass flicker
Hey, at least now I can toss Dark Souls out the window. From the eleventh floor of my building. Helllooo, trading post. Finally, something to do.
uncut ginkgo
Hopefully those mentions of argent dawn and naxxramas could indicate the return of the tabard they gave out in the pre-patch event or even the return of the naxx 40 transmog...
glass flicker
OCH, CHAMPIEN, AZEROTH IS BLEEDIN' BLEEDING! WE MUST HEAL HER WOONS!
dense plover
im betting the stones are specifically for in the zone and the vault
they only mention 2 or 4 other party members
which wouldnt make much sense for raid stuff
and vault is either 5 people or UP TO 5 people
crystal pond
OCH, CHAMPIEN, AZEROTH IS BLEEDIN' BLEEDING! WE MUST HEAL HER WOONS!
To be fair despite all azerite ptsd i still wonder where is magni
glass flicker
To be fair despite all azerite ptsd i still wonder where is magni
He is probably snorting Azerite dust.
Vacuum cleaner noises
crystal pond
100%
deep pawn
Magni is either in full save Azeorth from something we haven't seen yet mode or already corrupted
We still don't know what the full effects of what the Jailer did to her with the forge of souls
upper pasture
To get exalted with the faction we are currently locked at unfriendly with?
languid yoke
YE
NEW_SPOKEN_LANGUAGE_HELPTIP (New) - You have learned a new language. Change your spoken language here.
glass flicker
Common sense when uncommon, rare, epic and legendary sense walk in:
crystal pond
I preparing for ppl runing around and talking on minions language
glass flicker
dense plover
<:tippiThink:929824620415172619>
NEW_SPOKEN_LANGUAGE_HELPTIP (New) - You have le...
i mean - its probably tied to the forbidden reach
languid yoke
I would've gone with furbolg but sure
uncut vault
Furbolg is the right answer haha, it’s a new language that the story will center around
crystal pond
I still wonder about tower in azure span
There is a door that like have a not active teleport(?)
The same effects have doors in war creche
upper pasture
maybe there's a third faction of dracthy we're yet to see
rose escarp
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=202253/primal-stave-of-claw-and-fur <:tippiBles...
There's more! 😮
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/faction=2526/winterpelt-furbolg
upper pasture
more DR stuff 😄
deep pawn
Yeah, the winterpelt stuff promised more
coarse quail
you can learn to speak furbolg
Amazing!
crystal pond
So ptr will be online today's yesterday right?
ember blaze
is there a way to get snowballs outside of the winter event? 🤔
silent urchin
Yes. Several ways
upper pasture
You can get them somehow else too cause I’ve got a few on my Evoker and I’m not sure where they came from but she’s not picking herbs lol
Maybe the snow elementals?
deep pawn
miner?
rain cave
just watching a video about xal'atath and it points out how gorehowl is called Xal'atoh
obviously implying that every old god essence weapon is Xal-something
I'm just curious if the weapon is the name there, or the essence
would Xalatath be a new weapon? With Nzoth's essence within?
would it change appearance, shape?
After all Xal'atoh isn't even gorehowl corrupted
it's a mockery of gorehowl
Garrosh being a warrior, yshaarj being the literal brute force strongest
seems natural for Yshaarj to become an axe
Xalatath was way more manipulative
so a dagger seems fitting, backstabber and all
Nzoth is similar to that in behaviour, but he is still distinctively himself so i wonder if the weapon will morph to match?
perhaps a staff to mark his drive for knowledge? Maybe the blade portion now forms it into a scythe like staff?
some kind of mangled offhand perhaps, with traces of the dagger lingering
the naga tended to wield spears, such as Uu'nat
could be interesting if things evolve and we see N'zoth in the new form of the weapon in full view before it's actuall revealed to be nzoth
say patch 10.2, another character enters the fray with some unique weapon
could be linked to the reason the primalist even started back again in the first place, somebody must have spilled the beans to grimtotem about the primalists even existing, as nobody else even really knew until recently. There's also Azeroth itself causing the dragon isles to awaken for some reason
N'zoth is the one most known for using dragons after all
dense plover
just watching a video about xal'atath and it points out how gorehowl is called X...
where is that sourced from? that sounds like - a one off thing or something
also i wouldnt think them being similar
since gorehowl is from draenor
and xalatath is from azeroth
rain cave
where is that sourced from? that sounds like - a one off thing or something
as in the corrupted gorehowl
that garrosh drops
the corrupted copy, I should say
that whispers to you
silent urchin
well, it's related in that they're both old god stuff
But I don't think there's any particular meaning in the name
rain cave
well yeah I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of it
silent urchin
there's a lot of things with "xal'" in the name from old gods
rain cave
I mean there's not many old god things specifically named Xal
at the beginning
it sounds old goddy sure
but I'd like to pitch thing
Xalzaix has an ability called Living weapon
so again, the terminology of a Weapon is related to the prefix Xal
dense plover
so again, the terminology of a Weapon is related to the prefix Xal
youre giving blizzard too much credit
rain cave
I mean they're obviously pulling this out as they go
dense plover
i doubt they have an internal naming document for weapons outside of "old god name scheme" and then a bunch of prefixes and suffixes
rain cave
they've gone through multiple narrative people
so I guarantee things aren't on the same long term course
dense plover
i do not think there is ANY long term course regarding how they name weapons
rain cave
however I do feel that especially now, they probably have a document on the direction of the Xal stuff
dense plover
thats way too niche for a story as broad stroked as wow
rain cave
desecrated image of gorehowl Xal'atoh was certainly just
"old god sounding"
which they copied for Xal'atath in legion
maybe a writer had an idea of what Xal'atath was
but I don't think it was ever officially planned in legion about what exactly xalatath was
it was intended to be mysterious
but because of the positivity and speculation on it, they brought it in for BfA
and made it key
and since then I think they've intentionally been keeping track of old god naming a bit more
dense plover
i doubt theyve kept track of naming
rain cave
at least in part
dense plover
i think they just have a story plot for xalatath
rain cave
aye, But xal'atath shares a name with another old god essence weapon
and not much else
dense plover
literally just a coincidence
rain cave
I doubt it
dense plover
theres no reason for it to be anything more than a coincidence
rain cave
originally somebody was trying to name Xal'atath
and saw another old godish weapon
and named it accordingly
but now that this is more important, I guarantee the Xal' prefix is taken with more weight
and I also reckon they've put a lot more thought into the lore behind these kinds of weapons
dense plover
and named it accordingly
actually unlikely
as i said, they probably have a doc with a bunch of suffixes and prefixes
rain cave
We literally have 2 old god weapons
with prefix Xal
not much else has that
Xal is not common
it can be seen in other areas
but it's not always old god
it IS a general fantasy sounding prefix sure
and fits old gods
but I reckon ever since Xal'atath's addition, and subsequent importance to the story
dense plover
i think its just occams razor - the simplest solution is usually the answer
rain cave
it is tracked a lot more heavily
dense plover
simplest solution? coincidence
rain cave
I disagree
dense plover
you have no evidence though
dense plover
so positing something without evidence is just speculation
which is a step away from assumption
rain cave
I just think it's more likely that they would keep a track of a major story thread and things related to it even if it's a retconish adjustment
It's the simplest thing to me
originally they had the random old god name document
fished up Xal'atoh for the gorehowl thing
somebody came to doing Xal'atath
saw the name of Xal'atoh
was like "sure I'll copy that, make it seem consistent for voidy stuff"
and then since people liked Xal'atath in legion, they pivot and keep it relevant to defeating nzoth, a story thread that is objectively not finished
as we do not know where the blade is, what it's doing
what state it's in
what the stabbing of N'zoth even did
did it even help?
dense plover
well - the blade likely has nzoth in it
rain cave
we do not know
correct
and so I assume they're keeping that area of the lore more locked down
dense plover
its pretty likely - why would nzoth give us back the dagger if it could kill it?
rain cave
or fleshed out in the back
which, occams razor
means that at least in lore
in universe
the Xal' prefix
has something to do with the void equivalent of a mourneblade
effectively
a weapon that carries the essence of a void creature, or old god
dense plover
has something to do with the void equivalent of a mourneblade
see no
rain cave
a blade that carries a soul
dense plover
you are now making something up
occams razor does NOT imply that
you cant use it like that
it doesnt apply to complex concepts
rain cave
occams razor is the simplest answer is usually most likely
rain cave
and if they're intentionally keeping Xal'atath a plot thread
dense plover
its almost specifically in matters when you have "because" right before the statement
rain cave
look at the shadowlands, we had no idea about it apart from it existing before
but when it came to do the expansion
they basically elaborated on lore that wasn't there prior, wasn't planned
but is technically canon since forever
dense plover
I can only assume they're going to elaborate on its naming
unlikely - a lot of work for something that has no long term benefit
rain cave
not much work at all
dense plover
why would they bother in game explaining a weapon's name scheme
rain cave
just a document in house that says "Xal on a weapon means it is a void weapon intended to hold the essense of another being, old god"
rain cave
Do we know that though
dense plover
yes
rain cave
is it its own seperate entity from Y'shaarj?
dense plover
THEY HAVE RANDOM NAMES
dense plover
is it its own seperate entity from Y'shaarj?
it isnt an entity at all
and yshaarj was dead
dense plover
garrosh threw the heart into the water
rain cave
it has some form of awareness
rain cave
Yshaarj has been 'dead' for a while
rain cave
garrosh sought to bring him back in the essense of using his power
dense plover
yshaarj died when we killed garrosh
rain cave
and part of Y'shaarj's power still lingers
dense plover
by killing garrosh we got rid of yshaarj - its why the sha are gone
rain cave
even to this day
rain cave
the axe garrosh drops
is in some form, sentient
even if it's just
distant echoes
it whispers
it holds the essence of an old god
it takes on a form befitting of the thing it spawned from
dense plover
you do realize that the whispers could be nzoth right?
yshaarj is the most dead of the old gods
and again - xalatath isnt the weapon itself
its the actually entity
dense plover
a blade can be a weapon - but it can also be like the "eyes of the king" - its a killer who serves the thing
rain cave
or perhaps Xal simply refers to an entity who's essence is within a weapon?
rain cave
Xal'atath is the remainders of something else
rain cave
ok
you established that
we aren't disagreeing
but perhaps the Xal' prefix means soemthing trapped within
rain cave
So Xal'atath became Xal'atath after being put into the blade
before she was something else
dense plover
it doesnt mean anything
rain cave
but because whatever was before
dense plover
SHE IS XALATATH
rain cave
I KNOW
dense plover
ITS JUST HER NAME
dense plover
ITS IRRELEVANT TO THE DAGGER
dense plover
HER NAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOME SECOND MEANING
rain cave
but that the name
dense plover
IS HER NAME
dense plover
EXCEPT ITS HER NAME PERIOD
rain cave
weapons cannot hold an old gods full essence
dense plover
IT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE DAGGER
rain cave
perhaps
dense plover
SHE IS CALLED THAT EVERY TIME SHE COMES BACK
rain cave
so whenever an old god or somesuch
dense plover
ITS. HER. NAME.
rain cave
gets soul sucked
into the dagger
they become a NEW being
some part of what came before
but still new
dense plover
notice in that cutscene series how she goes from xalatath, blade of the black empire to just xalatath?
rain cave
what lingered of Y'shaarj clung to Xal'atoh
dense plover
its her name
rain cave
I literally just said yes it's her name though
dense plover
to fit your narrative
rain cave
it's called theorizing based off of what's teased in game
dense plover
but youre then saying her name was changed from something else
no - the weapon was named after HER
rain cave
I'm using stuff in-game to try think of the mechanics of void and old god weaponry/ souls
dense plover
maybe xalatoh is the entity in the other weapon since it talks
rain cave
it's a common thought that she was perhaps an old god at some point, but some essence lingers in the blade
dense plover
but i dont think the xal stuff has anything to do with being trapped
rain cave
after all we KNOW the blade can split old gods
dense plover
since she isnt called atath when she is released
dense plover
we literally see it do that
actually we dont
rain cave
splitting the personality/soul of N'zoth into seperate entities
dense plover
we see nzoth disappear
rain cave
with different ways of acting
dense plover
all we see is nzoth is there, and then he isnt
rain cave
What we see in regards to the blade and nzoth
dense plover
theres no nzoth acting after so we dont know what happens
dense plover
What we see in regards to the blade and nzoth
xalatath acts the same after, she just has more freedom
rain cave
from that
dense plover
and a new entity being born
no we dont
rain cave
that acts independently from, and out of character from
rain cave
normal nzoth
dense plover
you are making stuff up to fit your head cannon
rain cave
not really
dense plover
he screams NOOOOOO and thats it
rain cave
I'm just theorizing off of what is shown in game
the 2nd last boss of Nyalotha
is what happens after he is stabbed
nzoth doesn't dissapear
dense plover
that acts independently from, and out of character from
yes you did
right here
acts differently
rain cave
yes
dense plover
but he doesnt
rain cave
the new entity
acts differently
Carapace of N'zoth is really different from the core n'zoth
he's angry, bullheaded, loud
blinded by rage almost
whereas N'zoth's temper even when we fight the final Corruptor boss
is calm
if a bit menacing at times as things progress
So, in terms of my thinking
the blade will split, and trap the parts of an old god
as they are too great to fit in one weapon
whatever figment is left becomes its own entity
much like how carapace is distinct from N'zoth
perhaps the entity Xal'atath
became Xal'atath BECAUSE it is a seperate entity
and BECAUSE it got trapped in a blade
it isn't whatever old god it was before
as it is only one part of one
with a new personality
it is literally, a new entity with a new name
but the name can still be derived from its new circumstance, Xal could be a name prefix to reflect that
just like how there is Xal'atoh, a lingering essence of Y'shaarj held within a weapon that is not Y'shaarj
uncut vault
The honest, most likely answer is that when the devs were trying to come up with a name for an old god dagger, they looked back at previous old gods and said “ooh, that Garrosh axe has a cool name, let’s name it like that”
Blizz has very repeatedly mentioned how a lot of their names are just off of cool sounding vibes lol
harsh wedge
That's exactly the reason we have both Hakkar the Soulflayer and Hakkar the Houndmaster
If I remember correctly Metzen said he thought he found a nice name for one and he forgot he had read it from the other one
plain violet
Yeah, that's exactly that. x)
He just though he found a nice name and later "ooops"
pseudo holly
So Im assuming ptr will probably go live this evening
upper pasture
Well that was certainly something
dense plover
its live apparently
ivory meadow
it is
dense plover
daily quest hub
no new renown levels (as expected)
irontide pirates
vault
im in the vault for the quest
water elemental is from one of the dailies
had 3 awakened frost in it
locked door - needs a key
temp currency
got one of the stones
freed a dracthyr
this door is burning
trapped
cant put the fire out
chest is on fire
got some saxifrage silver quality from a reagent pot
theres a 2nd floor
another stone
chest needs the key
another stone
can loot the gold piles
