beta-ptr-spoilers

[silent urchin]

and making amends for the attack on dalaran in MoP

I wonder how many there are

but I like the ones so far

[dense plover]

the cosmetics are BoA so you dont have to worry about not being able to use something

[ionic terrace]

is this new

not that you see it much

[silent urchin]

it's from the rtwf twitch drops

[ionic terrace]

oh i mean the present graphic

[silent urchin]

oh

uhhh, may be slightly updated?

[silent urchin]

oh is that a toast window?

[dense plover]

freezing item puts it at the top

[ionic terrace]

no

[dense plover]

changes it to snowflake time

[dense plover]

not new

[ionic terrace]

ok

[silent urchin]

ah ok, just specific to toys

[dense plover]

totally moved the transmog npc

[dense plover]

not new

mounts go here and the area is already set up to support decorations for holidays

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/ADpHOvO.png one with flynn (sorry about the /s stuff)

[ionic terrace]

aw

[dense plover]

oh

items are added directly to your collection

idk how to finish this quest though

[young latch]

do we know what the pirate and jester outfits look like yet

[silent urchin]

there's a pirate one up, no jester though

although I think it's been at least partially datamined

[young latch]

ooh, can i see?

[candid ruin]

holy shit

this stuff is cool

[dense plover]

how do i complete the quest? it says review the trading post's post

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/WfOel3F.png not the best character to show it off on

[candid ruin]

SCREAMING

[silent urchin]

that's a clickable scroll, on the stormwind one it's nailed to the right hand upright

[young latch]

my favorite part of this is definitely that sash

gonna use that a lot i wager

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/WzVyaIM.png

it's not the most obvious thing

[silent urchin]

especially with 300 people there

[dense plover]

i found it

[candid ruin]

i hope they raised the cap from 1000

[silent urchin]

Of what, the tokens?

[candid ruin]

yeah

or remove the cap

[ionic terrace]

there's a followup

shaw doesn't have lines yet tho

[silent urchin]

huh, I didn't get that

[silent urchin]

maybe it's a bit further away and I wasn't in range

[ionic terrace]

oh

nah flynn is in SI 7 now

looks like he walks back

[candid ruin]

oh you can refund

interesting

[dense plover]

this is a really well formatted way to do this

[dense plover]

how? i havent figured out how

has a new quest tracker category

[silent urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/Gp7Yc1j.png

pascal k1ng being a giant mech robot

[dense plover]

shows up like an achieve when you complete an objective

[silent urchin]

just click on it in the store again and purchase is replaced with refund, has a 2h timer I think

https://i.imgur.com/sNWJxYX.jpeg

[dense plover]

looks like 1 Hr but ok

oh its rounding

[candid ruin]

oh they're doing percentages

interesting

[silent urchin]

it always rounds weirdly

it's been about 30min for me

so presumably started well above 1h if it's still showing that

[dense plover]

i submitted a report - it should list minutes

its a 2 hr window

[ionic terrace]

lol

[silent urchin]

is that a special hat for him? Or did he always have that

[ionic terrace]

uhh

[silent urchin]

oh

and big bug is the chest resets

click it a bit later and you get 500 more currency

I think possibly after each objective you complete?

[dense plover]

no its not reseting

you get 500 from the chest, and then 500 from the quest

and then 500 from the activities

[silent urchin]

huh, ok

[ionic terrace]

wait

what

did velen get new guards?

nvm, they were in SL

[signal bone]

give me that sweet jester set

and blood troll

[sonic flame]

completely random question out of nowhere

how would have illidan match against jailer powered sylvanas? the same one that defeated bolvar before SL

[deep pawn]

I'm assuming this is all account wide eh?

Can't be cheeky with alts?

[silent urchin]

got the sully event again, I hope there's more than 3..

[ionic terrace]

heh

[silent urchin]

lmao

[glass flicker]

Pity they didn't use that line to reference Sombra.

"Been here all along."

[silent urchin]

no wonder I didn't get the rest of the flynn dialogue, you have to go all the way to SI:7

seems like there may only be 3 if they just go in order

and yeah, shaws dialogue didn't work for me either

[ionic terrace]

found another

[deep pawn]

I'm here for SI:Bovine

[glass flicker]

I'm now dubbing: The Cow-ards

[ionic terrace]

i am a fan

i love when they add stuff like this

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/electric-fan-wind-turn-hot-fan-gif-4860088

[silent urchin]

ok so flynn has a short thing if you follow him, pascal just goes to the portals and disappears, lets wait to see if sully shows up next and follow him

[ionic terrace]

i know on horde side mankrik, aethas, and the pirate skeleton trolls from voldun show up

[silent urchin]

and gamon?

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[silent urchin]

the ogre pet is VERY loud if you have it summoned

apparently new options from trial of style rewards

But I'm not sure what's new and whats not

seems like potentially a bunch of missing boot apperences?

[deep pawn]

there was only 8 ensembles before

two of each armor type

[silent urchin]

then there's a lot new

including some stuff that isn't loading for me

[leaden cairn]

Imagine if they went absolute bonkers in an expansion and basically pulled a Heroes of the Storm expansion. We find ourselves battling in Paris and the Omnic Crisis, then we end up on the Tarsonis planet fighting endless waves of Zerg

[deep pawn]

oh, it was 3 ensembles each, my bad

THE MISSING FIRELANDS PIECES

OMG!

The beanies!

[glass flicker]

BEANZ

[deep pawn]

it is account wide, that's some hella fomo, do you take transmog or a mount

[upper pasture]

rewards rotate no? they will be back eventually i'd assume plus you can freeze an item so if your close you can hold it for the reset but that would just put you "futher" behind for the next set of rewards

[deep pawn]

It'll depend on how much they add each year

[upper pasture]

i guess it depends on how much you can earn in a month too

if you do everything can you afford all of the items or do you have to "miss out" on some items and wait for the return

[candid ruin]

You currently can’t buy everything

You get 1k a month; looks like first month you can get 1.5k

[upper pasture]

i do like that one of the mounts are a reward for just getting so far on the quests

[deep pawn]

that stuff is cool

I have to decide if I really want celestial steed considering I'll never use it in DF

Where in comparison I know I'll use the pink scarf and cloak

[rain cave]

Mankrik clearly hasn't visited the shadowlands

His wife's still kicking it in maldraxxus

[leaden cairn]

Mankrik deserves this

[rain cave]

More of an emotional arc than thralls wife

She just kind of disappeared

And his kids exist somewhere

Apparently

Lmao

[glass flicker]

Aggra can be more interesting if she gets screen time.

Wife and advisor of Thrall, shaman past her prime, and mother of two.

That can be compelling, if they don't turn her into a housewife.

[leaden cairn]

me_irl

[rain cave]

Why be a house wife when you're a shaman

[glass flicker]

Just sprinkle in some "My children must learn how life works" and throw them to the wolves. Literally.

[rain cave]

Get those elements to do it for you

That's what the kultiran shaman does

[glass flicker]

She wasn't even aware of being a shaman tbh.

The Kul Tiran.

[rain cave]

🤨

[leaden cairn]

[rain cave]

Skill issue

[glass flicker]

r/emokidsbeware

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-ion-ion-hazzikostas-blizzard-gif-26477718

[languid yoke]

oh there's new trial of style items too

[plain violet]

Yeah, many recolors and NPC options!

[languid yoke]

and this thing

that most certainly is the most gun of all guns

[plain violet]

Unused WOTLK weapon, at least. 😁

Yeah!

[rain cave]

I love this

just a brick on a stick style hammer

this wrist is cool too

would be cool if we could tmog hands/wrist seperately

for left and right

then you could really do some cool stuff

like a lightly armoured flowery side and a more bulky other side

[opaque pewter]

It will take a while for that to happen. Anything below the head seems to use mirrored texture

[deep pawn]

I'm super hyped they are adding the missing firelands belts

[rain cave]

it's not a texture issue

it's just a bone/ model placement issue

it would be a texture issue if it was like, having different hand textures like nail varnish or somesuch per hand

since even things like the face scars I'm pretty sure are projected on top of a seperate UV layout

and the base textures are mirrored in some places on another UV layout

then use a custom shader to just stack all the textures of your character customisation

face isn't mittored, and is a different material because it involves a lot more customisation options

but as you can see the things like arms, body and legs, etc

all use mirrored textures

(at least circa WoD)

I do gamedev and work with artists and shaders so that's my best explanation

I think that as of shadowlands, eyes use another seperate material or texture though

since those can be asymmetric

I will say i do wish they'd give us at least the option to just double texture resolution, I KNOW they have higher res versions in there somewhere

even if it nukes performance

wonder if anyone's just ripped the textures out, AI upscaled them and then tried to shove them back in

[upper pasture]

in case you missed it. celestial steed is 65% off in the shop and i'm assuming they are pulling it indefinitely on 01/02 cause it will be obtainable with the trading post.

also that new fireplume set is amazing.

[deep pawn]

if I buy one of the sale mounts its the furline

Has Tyrael's Charger been in the store before?

that was the annual pass mount wasn't it?

[upper pasture]

im just letting you know so you can "save" your trading post currency if you choose to

[deep pawn]

real money is still real money vs imaginary tokens

Winged Guardian is also leaving, interesting

[upper pasture]

bnet currency is also imaginary money if you sell your gold

but hey, just trying to help you

what's one wow token now 156K? for $15 credit easy peasy

[deep pawn]

I get it, it's still a mount we'll only use in like 2 dungeons

[rain cave]

156k is a lot

[upper pasture]

no, it isn't

[rain cave]

I'm trying to make money on professions

Probably only made like 40k

50k

So far

[upper pasture]

i've made like 200k alone from questing and leveling

[rain cave]

How many alts tf

[upper pasture]

on one character

[rain cave]

What

How lol

Quests give like 5 gold

[upper pasture]

what

[rain cave]

At least that's how I remember it

I've been actively trying to make money and ended up floating around 60k

Because the margins on alchemy are slim

[upper pasture]

ngl, you must be spending a lot of money then too

[rain cave]

And creating gold tier phials is hard

Not sure how I'm meant to do it

I'm fully specced in to phials yet can only reliably get silver

With all gold mats, inspiration, and such

[upper pasture]

probs comes with my knowledge points invested

[candid plank]

im new to wow and even i know that cant be right

[rain cave]

I'm fully invested in the phial tree

I reckon I'm just gonna have to get some better profession gear even though they don't give much stats

then just pray for inspiration and multicraft procs

go all in on producing a bigger batch perhaps

[upper pasture]

do you have all the points?

[rain cave]

I've got all the points I can get yeah

he trainer, the treasures

alchemy is at 100

the only things I could get a first craft bonus from atm is a couple phials that need the altar of decay

so i can't craft that until I queue into a bracken dungeon

since that alter is in the instance (lol)

[tropic trail]

so: what was https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/wrath-classic-ptr-updated-to-build-3-4-1-46917-datamined-spells-armor-potions-330261#comments about?

since this was in: Celestial Steed Summons and dismisses a Celestial Steed.
REMOVED Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mounted
Value: 0
NEW Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mounted
Value: 0
Celestial Steed Summons and dismisses a Celestial Steed.
REMOVED Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mounted
Value: 0
NEW Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mounted
Value: 0

but somehow the mount on sales isnt available for classic ?

[upper pasture]

mmmm, yes WotLK classic bundle is on sale

[silent urchin]

oh new PTR notes

A new event has begun taking place in The Primalist Future! Head to the portal that can be found at the Temporal Conflux in Thaldraszuz, and The Storm’s Fury event will spin up every 5 hours.```

I think this might already have been on?

But we can't get to dragonflight anyway

[upper pasture]

OH on PTR

[deep pawn]

nah, that's different

we have trial of the elements, that's a new thing

[dense plover]

wonder what it is

maybe tied to the 3 other incarnates?

[tropic trail]

I mean they put a sale on the mount but the mount isnt available for wrath classic YET these strings were in last ulduar PTR changelog so Im confused

do you think they will rerelease the celestial steed seperately later for wrath only? or link it to some achievement

[upper pasture]

that's because the mount isn't in WotLK classic...yet.

maybe they will add it to the shop but i doubt it cause it will likely cause in uproar when people "have" to buy it again

[tropic trail]

yes Im confused

imagine if they put it in the shop

after removing the retail one

hahahahaha

worst is, people would still buy it.

[upper pasture]

most likely and the people that would buy it right away will likely be the same people complain the most about it

[rain cave]

this set is so cool

ahh so tempted

but it's expensive

[upper pasture]

"IF" you have all the stuff in the bundle it comes in it's only 7.99 there instead of 20

[rain cave]

the bundle is ass though

[upper pasture]

i already owned those items so i saved 13 bucks can't complain i suppose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plain violet]

Yeah, I only wasted 25€

Pretty worth it!

[cosmic beacon]

get it gifted

[plain violet]

I do gifted one to my friend. So 20€ more. xD

But she's adorable and adorable and awesome and epic so.. yeah, offering her something is normal.

[rain cave]

it's cheaper gifted?

[cosmic beacon]

its 100% off

[upper pasture]

lol for the gifted

[deep pawn]

I don't know if I'll wear that set

odd though, the preivew model showed the tights leggings on my dracthyr

[dense plover]

generally, the store gear works on all races because it costs real money

though the fact that they didnt do that for the raid set is shitty

[deep pawn]

I meant in visage as a male model I got the revealing legs

This set doesn't work in dragon form or I didn't even check

[uncut vault]

Im having way too much fun finding cursed eye texture bugs on the ptr

[opaque pewter]

This is likely the tradeoff they're not ready to do, hence my statement. It seems that resource budget is not allowing the team to allow anything under the face to not use mirrored UV (extending to mirrored poly as a result)

Maybe one day. But I don't think that will be a project done mid-expansion

[rain cave]

Looks cool

[plain violet]

I wonder if the eyes bug show that they are working on it to add more eyes to playerd.

[upper pasture]

aren't we supposedly getting some of the primalist eye colors?

[plain violet]

We don't know, they were on the dressing room but not on live. :(

[leaden cairn]

ayo that's lit af

[dense plover]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23897170/dragonflight-in-2023-the-road-ahead

wtf - a roadmap?

i like dragonflight blizzard

"Shortly after that is in your hands, we'll release the 10.0.7 content update onto our Public Test Realm. 10.0.7 will contain a new quest campaign and repeatable world content set in the Forbidden Reach, as the dracthyr return to their place of confinement (along with some unexpected guests) to learn more about their origins and their destiny. This content will set up the next major chapter of Dragonflight, and by its conclusion, it should be obvious what our next destination must be. Alongside this new content, we also plan to add questlines for Human and Orc cosmetic Heritage Armor, update some of our recurring holidays, and more."

forbidden reach and human and orc heritage armor on ptr after 10.0.5 releases

looks like theyre only planning 2 major content updates

at least for 2023

[ivory meadow]

Peach, you said there was an art update to some class resources found before PTR came up; are those in?

[dense plover]

idk

i dont know what the originals look like since i dont play them often enough

[upper pasture]

"profession updates"? arch? maybe? 😄

[dense plover]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1603646865479979008?s=20&t=pn38Ed5ywI21Ywo-Z7--ZQ

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

looks like rogues are getting new combo point animations, there's some blue and red points it seems. Unsure what makes them blue.

Twitter · Dec 16, 2022, 7:03 AM

there are followup posts

i just dont have context on the original animations so i cant really check

[rain cave]

better than shadowlands getting 2 in 2 years xd

[upper pasture]

this is for 2023 tho

[ivory meadow]

I see! thank you

[languid yoke]

2023 is basically the first year

and if the time frame keeps up then 10.3 is early 2024 as well

6 months for major patches is fine, they just need to fill the gaps

[dense plover]

assuming they do a 3rd patch

im not against 2 patches, but realistically, next expac will still be in august or later

thats too long without a content patch imo

[upper pasture]

i mean, i think they know they need to feed us content pretty regularly now so i doubt we would be so front loaded with content and then nothing for 9 months

i suspect we will see a S4 that was like SLs tho some sort of fated raid system and a "new" M+ rotation

[rain cave]

I mean yeah legion was what, 77 days between the major patches?

but legion didn't have as much passover content

and little things to keep you occupied

they're basically promising 2 minor patches between every major patch

and all those minor patches are more than we've had in previous minor patches most of the time

[languid yoke]

I'm excited for megadungeon in a .5 patch

could play the role the mini-raids used to

[upper pasture]

i suspect we are getting a mini raid if were getting 2 in 2023 and probably at least one in 2024

[rain cave]

wonder if the dracthyr thing in the .7 patch will give them some kind of heritage armour thing

[upper pasture]

i could see one of the incarnates being a one off or a 2 boss raid

[rain cave]

or if they'll get some specialthing

do hope they fix the chosen identity thing tho

[upper pasture]

fix?

[rain cave]

since sometimes it just doesn't work, and I end up running around in dragon mode until I manually put it back to visage

[upper pasture]

more races?

oh

that

[rain cave]

it doesn't always reset you

[upper pasture]

fair, yeah i've noticed

[rain cave]

I just hate riding around on a mount with my wings sticking out

like stone

and want to see my mog s'more

[uncut vault]

I think they will, it seems like they’re going for around six months between major patches

[rain cave]

I reckon they're just putting this out to be a well rounded "the year ahead hopefully"

[uncut vault]

A third patch in mid-2024 would place nicely to pace between that and 2024’s xpac at the end of the year

[rain cave]

also

might be spoilers to even mention some of the feature stuff

in the minor patches

before the 3rd patch

unless it's just more of the same vague wording from the latter minor patches in the roadmap

in which case people would just say why does it say the same thing for 4 patches

they've done pretty decently just hyping it upvaguely here without spoiling

unlike legion where they just casually spoiled the last patch before the 2nd even came out lol

[deep pawn]

yeah, I think they're setting up for a 10.3 since they no how poorly just 3 raids went in SL and we could ALL tell they cut one

plus they need to fill the gap til 11.0 somehow

it'll probably be a year from announce at Blizzcon to release

[rain cave]

I am so curious to know WHAT was cut

how much of it was repurposed or combined

or if they literally have some unused models, files and assets just sitting around somewhere in office

like a devourer raid or somesuch

[deep pawn]

There was 100% gonna be raid fights with Mueh'zalah and Heyla

one is in ice, the other was just removed in quest content

[rain cave]

oh yeah was muehzala just forgot

[uncut vault]

It definitely feels more like the original 9.1 was cut than a final patch

[rain cave]

he's just bwonsamdi's pet now

[uncut vault]

you could have really easily centered a whole patch on the Jailer's allies like Helya and Kel'thuzad

basically everyone was expecting 9.1 to be Naxx 3.0 lol

[deep pawn]

I still think a double bridge boss would have been awesome

[uncut vault]

This piece of art from grimoire just screams cut content because none of these people actually interacted at all lol

[rain cave]

that would have been a funny council fight

especially as I don't see them getting on with eachother at all

as none of them are really under the jailer for the same reason

[uncut vault]

oh they wouldnt at all lol, that should have been a big thing they showed off

[deep pawn]

well Mueh'zala was the one who got Helya on the jailer's side

[uncut vault]

a huge wasted potential bit for the Jailer's side of things is all of his allies

[rain cave]

wasn't that sylvanas

[uncut vault]

they focused way too much on him alone with a dominated army and not the manipulation and lackies he had

[deep pawn]

nah, he brags about it during DoS

[uncut vault]

Helya was already on his side by Legion, Helya was basically her first assignment under the Jailer as of the Sylvanas book

But yeah it's crazy that they just didnt have any of the Jailer core minions interact at all

like how the hell do you have Sylvanas and Kel'thuzad in the same raid

and they dont even acknowledge each other lmao

at bare minimum Sylvanas should have given a "hey thanks, hated that guy" once we killed him and got to her platform

[deep pawn]

Well given that Mueh'zala was why she was warchief in Legion

[rain cave]

I personally, was hoping KT was going to flip against the jailer because he actually cared for arthas

and the jailer discarded him as a failure

KT not knowing it was actually the jailer the whole time

[uncut vault]

that's more just an issue with the Jailer and how much of an utterly inexplicable plot hole he is lol

[rain cave]

yeah

basically my endgoal with that hope was to see an EXTREMELY bregrudging team up with jaina and KT

to save arthas's soul

which I would have found hilarious

[uncut vault]

Put kaelthas in there too and you have a deal

equally crazy that Kaelthas didnt interact with Jaina or Sylvanas or Lorthemar at all lol

[rain cave]

I mean kael in anything with jaina

with arthas involved

would be like "am I really doing this man"

[uncut vault]

nobody said he'd be happy, but atonement is atonement 😛

[rain cave]

what's kaelthas even doing

still on the atonement grindset?

[uncut vault]

continuing to atone in Revendreth, his last plot beat was in 9.1 at the end of the venthyr part of the campaign

they basically say in a few millennia he'd make a great Harvester

[rain cave]

I feel they cut him out from 9.2 because the new voice actor for him they got in, they probs didn't want to scale up the role

and the cut stuff from whatever other patch they were doing

[deep pawn]

I honestly didn't even notice the voice thing

[uncut vault]

The new guy did a good job, and honestly sounds closer to how Kaelthas' tone in WC3 than Flynn had been playing it in recent years

HotS did a number to flanderize kaelthas so I'm glad that he sounds more mellow again

[rain cave]

though flynns voice was iconic

and it was pretty rough what they did to him

[deep pawn]

I love HotS KT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WKS0Se_640

[uncut vault]

He's funny for memes, but terrible for actual serious story if that makes sense haha

having him enunciate every other syllable makes him just sound like he doesn't give a shit

[rain cave]

have we ever had a truly threatening modern fire mage character?

we had the jaina fight for frost

khadghar is OP

but we've never have a pop off fire mage moment in memory

like a cinematic where a fire mage just fucking goes ham

I'd love to see one

[deep pawn]

that's been reserved for deathwing or shaman in general

[rain cave]

but can you imagine what glory would happen in one of those specially animated cinematics

like the varians death one

or the patch trailers

if there were a fire mage involved

honestly I love seeing actual class fantasy make it into animated fight scenes

or just cinematics in general

like how shaw unstealths in that one cinematic

watching varian go down still sends chills up my spine

[deep pawn]

We need another Old Solider series someday

[rain cave]

older soldier

[deep pawn]

even though that was one big farewell to Saurfang

[rain cave]

gigachad saurfang really did just push his way from being a kind of background character who has a moment of fame in Wrath to getting the most cinematics ever mainly about him

[silent urchin]

"Oh new PTR notes" "Added more cosmetics to the Transmogrification vendors" bah we knew that already

[deep pawn]

there might be more or some of those ? are added

[silent urchin]

hasn't been a new build, I guess that might not be needed for vendor updates?

Although afaik it was just adding a missing note

I think a lot of people missed that change

[deep pawn]

Oh, I just realized what the 10.1.5 mega dungeon could be

that ice tower in Azure Span

but that would leave the fire incarnate to be the boss of the 10.1 raid

[rain cave]

The spiky ting?

I reckon that they'd probably send fire incarnate if they wanted to be thematically contrasting

Though I'm curious about the leylines

Why they were going for it

Perhaps it'll tie into the waters thing

[silent urchin]

I want a forbidden reach megadungeon

But I expect it'll be something in the 10.1 zone

Although given it's part of a .5 instead of a main patch, maybe it'll be something wild, like redoing UBRS again

[deep pawn]

that tower is a massive unknown, Raz electrified it for a reason

[dense plover]

so mythic race is getting close

im willing to bet there is something special at 5 or 10%

[silent urchin]

I doubt it at this point

fights already very long, DPS is tight even with all the nerfs, and unless boss heals up a bunch there's not a lot of fight left at this point

[silent urchin]

Hit over 13 minutes on echos best pull, although that was basically soft enrage

[dense plover]

idk - i think something crazy happening at the end should be sorta expected

hasnt that been the case for the last few bosses pre-SLs?

[silent urchin]

It's not impossible. And there have definitely been longer fights in the past. The first raid of an expansion tends to be a little less intense, though

That said, it may explain the fairly aggressive nerfs

they didn't wait long at all before nerfing the shields in intermissions, and they got nerfed to a point where they weren't much of a DPS check at all

they definitely needed something, but maybe not quite as much

[dense plover]

they want it done tomorrow tbh

they do not want this going into christmas

so either it will get nerfed again, there isnt another phase, or it will be MASSIVELY buffed so that it isnt possible and then theyll nerf it after christmas

[deep pawn]

Tomorrow is their last day of hotfixes too

Being sub 20% who knows

There's been bosses where they don't think they have it and suddenly they do

[rain cave]

Just thinking what if the many eyes whisper is not referring to iridikron

Or the primalists

Listening to some other nzoth lines, the opening of eyes equates seeing the voids endless futures

All possibilities

E.g. all eyes will be opened

Perhaps he is referring to specifically the infinite fight

Flight

Murozond

He will go from seeing the one true timelime

To having many eyes, seeing chaos

All futures

All timelines

[deep pawn]

and race is over

one perfect pull they took 8% off

[silent urchin]

that pull was ridiculously clean

[dense plover]

there goes my "additional phase" theory

[deep pawn]

oh, fun.

Slightly adjusted the timing of events at the start of phase 3. -Reduced the rate at which motes of Storm-Energy are spawned. -Slowed the rate that the Raging Storm closes in.

That came out minutes before the kill

It was clean, but they also had a lot more time

[silent urchin]

was it actually live for the kill?

[deep pawn]

yeah

[silent urchin]

the last part definitely helped then, it felt like that phase was going way longer

[deep pawn]

Blizzard hotfixed it, told both guilds, but Liquid hadn't started for the day yet

Holiday timing is likely responsible for the early change since I imagine it's a half day for Blizzard

They wanted it done TODAY

[silent urchin]

hard to say the impact of the first part, second will definitely have helped too, fewer debuffs stacking and less movement

well, presumably it all helped

[dense plover]

100% - they didnt want this running over christmas weekend

people need to fly places

[upper pasture]

Nice that echo got the kill but they definitely should have wanted until both guilds were actively raiding to push that hotfixed oh well lol

It’s crazy to see what the top raiders can do. Absolute insanity

liquid killed her and the bow drops. no hunter in comp

feels bad

[rain cave]

Why not personal loot

😎

[upper pasture]

simply put personal loot doesn't encourage class diversity but group loot does

[deep pawn]

they wanted more control over where loot goes, this is the price they pay

[silent urchin]

I much prefer the current group loot implementation to the personal loot implementation

although mostly I'm concerned about the bad luck streaks you could get

the worst case under group loot is considerably better than under personal loot

but that could also be very much improved under either philosophy

personal loot had a habit of absolutely flooding your raid with stuff like rings and necks, that everyone qualified for

but if you had say, one rogue, and therefore one agility dagger user, they had something like a 2% chance of getting a dagger on a relevant boss kill, with no one else to help smooth it over for them

while under group loot that's more like 10%

[uncut vault]

Seems like it's in all the channels

[upper pasture]

Yup

[cosmic beacon]

Group loot so far is pretty nice especially in guilds etc

However

Why tf can items literally no one in ur raid can use

Can drop

We had 2 bows drop with 0 hunters

[deep pawn]

That's group loot. Ion told us all that would come back with it

[languid yoke]

broodkeeper has dropped 3 evoker staves already when I was the only dargon in the raid

[rain cave]

Why can't I hold all these staffs

[rain cave]

well if we use ysera's logic of being bound to a realm and not being able to return for a long time

we will probs see malfurion in a couple patches

xd

[uncut vault]

The frustrating thing they seem to have not realized is that Ysera... isn't actually needed for this plot lmao

like she's not the Aspect, she's not an actual night elf, why is she just staying here for girl time and screwing over malfurion lol

[upper pasture]

But malfurion is NE and by making him sacrifice we see tyrande suffer which is like the main arc of all NE stories

[rain cave]

also it's not like you need the OG aspect

we have kalecgos, wrathion

merithra is right there

fully voice acted

[uncut vault]

top tier voice too lol, can't beat Jennifer Hale

[rain cave]

could have given her a new model too, if they'd replaced ysera's role with her

Ysera's presence kind of just teases we may see some elune stuff

like her connection to the titans

[uncut vault]

Honestly I legit just think she's back because they wanted sappy cinematic moments lol

[rain cave]

or whatever's going on there

[uncut vault]

they got the mom hug, theyre gonna give us a sister hug guaranteed, and malfurion will get a big "hey Im back!" cinematic eventually

[rain cave]

I feel like blizz has some inflated image of ysera

like yeah she's important

[uncut vault]

no real substance, just "hey, feel stuff!" cinematics seems to be all they really know to do with ysera lol

[rain cave]

but before legion she was just

"oh that's the green one"

[uncut vault]

even in Legion she pretty much was that lol, the entire plot was just "oh hey she died"

[rain cave]

true

but I bought in to it

I'll give them benefit of the doubt

but you're right

she just died

then in SL she comes back

so it's like

"oh so her death wasn't final nvm"

so they throw us

"ACTUALLY she's stuck in SL now, she cannot return for a long time!"

"oh so it actually does matter ok"

1 patch later

"I'm back bitches"

feels like a yank on the steering wheel back and forth ha

[uncut vault]

thats what frustrates me lol, its such a whiplash of stakes and permanence that makes me just not care about her

[upper pasture]

She’s back at a cost and she even said she’s not the aspect/leader anymore

[rain cave]

so will merithra be the new aspect?

for green?

and ysera just guides her

[upper pasture]

Did you do the quest?

[rain cave]

do I look like I grind for 15 hours for renown

I just do my weeklies and some wq's

can't even DO the quest yet

just watched the cinematic

and watched a bit of the quest dialogue

[uncut vault]

Yeah she legit comes back to break an ice wall

and then tells Merithra she can't be aspect because she's tied to death instead of life now

so Merithra becomes the Dreamer and saves the seed

and then Ysera just chooses to stay behind anyways to have some girl time

despite Malfurion still being sacrificed for her to become the Aspect lol

[upper pasture]

Her new model looks nice anyhow

Also just waiting for my boy Vol’jin to come back

[silent urchin]

Ysera was literally using death magic in the final quest battle, so I have a feeling that may prove important later

[upper pasture]

I mean she’s absorbed the WQs power atleast to some extent

[rain cave]

aspect of death

wew

fitting for elune

still my headcanon that elune is the aspect of death in life

the culling of one thing so that another may grow

letting things die out naturally

[deep pawn]

It would make sense given their roles in the cycle

Where the Queen is rebirth, Elune is the pain of passing

Would explain why anyone who fully embodies her tends to burn out

[rain cave]

as well as the pale light, and how the energy overloading from tyrande looked deathy

as well as the night warrior in general requiring a blood sacrifice to invoke

one could argue the power of the night warrior even is used to harvest anima

that is then popped when they are sent to ardenweald

[deep pawn]

Elune was also able to let her "chosen" go to an alternate death were they were wisps til their presumably anima wears out

[rain cave]

Also the night warriors resented it in retrospect

Implies something darker afoot

I'm curious about how she can be connected to so many things though

Wondering if the other forces were forced into submission by the more orderly pantheon, the first ones being but one faction of that

Injecting some false mythology on top of a system they designed

Placing what appear to be distinct gods in the varied afterlives that are in truth all born from the same magic in zereth mortis

The Maldraxxus originally being a monster the first ones had to deal with before repurposing it's decaying yet ever-growing corpse for v resources and military

A native death creature

Much like how there are different factions to the death pantheon

Perhaps within orders pantheon, the titans were charged with reality itself

The first one's with establishing order on the other forces

Another for policing order in their own realm

Workshops for creating orderer structures

The shadowlands containing effectively infinite afterlifes as death

Order realm contains all the different magic systems for different universes

Or somesuch

[deep pawn]

So we know one boss for sure next patch, maybe two if the Djaradin warlord is alive along with the elders. While it'll feel lazy to have two 4 boss council fights in back to back raids, I'm sure they'll be different enough. Wait, this will be 3 in a row since Sepulcher had the Prototype Pantheon

[upper pasture]

We might get a 2/3 boss raid since we’re getting two this year (2023)

Just like the old days

[dense plover]

i dont think the djaradin will show up in an incarnate raid

unless they do something like they did with the tomb of sargeras

where the djaradin break in

wish i could find the concept art map thing of the tomb of sargeras that showed the naga area as them breaking through from under the ocean

this one

trying to find a bigger version

there we go

the naga being in the tomb was sorta a side thing

but it came back in 8.2 with the tidestone in nazjatar

i could see the djaradin in the raid against the incarnates this way

but they wont be there by choice

they actively fight AGAINST the dragons

if anything, what lehrdaniel said is more likely

[deep pawn]

Nah, the story this week confirmed the Djaradin made an alliance with Iridikron until the dragons are dead

[dense plover]

wut

why

they hate the dragons

[deep pawn]

Read the wowhead post.

We got the last tale from the skull collection

And they were working with the council cause the council said they knew where their elders were

Given we're going underground, I'll be shocked if they aren't a boss

[dense plover]

ah ok

this makes sense now

"Some say that the elders did not die that day, but retreated deep into the earth, where they slumber and recover their strength."

"Qalashi Emissary yells: Be on your guard, I do not trust these dragon worshippers.
Qalashi Emissary yells: If their aid were not necessary to find our elder, their bones would be adorning our hall."

[deep pawn]

I still don't think we fight Iridikron in 10.1 especially since Blizzard implied he's the final boss.

[dense plover]

ah i see

theyve been allied with iridikron for a long time

this isnt a recent occurence

its just that iridikron has been locked up

[dense plover]

i hope he isnt - because murozond

[deep pawn]

The Djaradin apparently were asleep until recent too

[dense plover]

but if he is, then murozond better be our 11.0 big bad

i would be okay with that too

i dont want them to do to murozond what they did to nzoth

i do want to see how theyre going to do an underground zone

[deep pawn]

Some speculate Murozond is 10.2 "side story" raid

[dense plover]

since i cant imagine they want it separately instanced

[dense plover]

boy would that be shitty

[deep pawn]

Think more along the lines of how Throne of Thunder didn't deal with the Sha plot at all for example

Or how long term, Dazar Alor was kinda secondary to the rest of the bfa plot

[dense plover]

yeah but i didnt feel like they had been building to any of those for multiple expacs

murozond is not a patch villain

not unless he is a "fight to stop him doing the thing but he gets away for later" villain

[deep pawn]

It's tough when you have a boss who can take an infinite amount of time before his death, but has also died in the hero's personal timeline

[dense plover]

idk

they can always have that death not be canon

its unclear in the story - it can be interpreted as a potential timeline and since it didnt happen, he didnt actually die there

[deep pawn]

They could, but that invalidates Nozdormu knowing exactly how he dies and saying the loop is closed.

[dense plover]

we havent received any recent confirmation that he actually did die there

[dense plover]

except that nozdormu dying there would only make sense in a world where that outcome happens. if that timeline's version of nozdormu thought he would die there, its because that timeline was different

also im pretty sure he knows when he is SUPPOSED to die

not when he is supposed to die as murozond

IE all bronze dragons see their death as a bronze dragon

they dont know their death as an infinite dragon

though they would know all their potential deaths once they were infinite

infinite dragons have the same thing as the old gods - they see all possibilities

but that means there is no RIGHT possibility

[upper pasture]

It’s likely we will see one part raid and the mega dungeon dealing with the other story line then then next raid will be a follow up on the mega dungeon story line

IE 2/3 boss raid dealing with irikiron and the djaradin then a mega dungeon with murozond becoming relativity then a raid with dealing with that

We’ve got 3 incarnates to deal with before the end of DF and 2 confirmed raids so it’s likely we will see at least one in another raid maybe 2 but I doubt they’d stuff all three in there

(All three in one raid that is)

[rain cave]

Ulduar too

[deep pawn]

I still think the ice dragon is gonna go to Vakthros as a mega dungeon

[rain cave]

the n'zoth voice is really good don't get me wrong

but whenever I hear the voice from the azshara animatic

I think of what could have been

I know he turns more into the big booming voice towards the end

but I'd still love it if whenever n'zoth was just casually whispering to people

it was that kind of old man voice

[uncut vault]

all the various whispers should have been the calm one, even if the actual boss appearance was his booming one

cause Darin De Paul can clearly do it perfectly lol, they didnt need him to be the deep-voiced villain inflection at all times

[rain cave]

"A deal? I love deals..."

[deep pawn]

What if Murozond retreats to the past and basically lets us kill him with the hourglass cause he regrets that he brought all the old gods back and that's why the original hour of twilight was preferable cause now we get 5 old gods

Instead of the 1 known alive at that point

You know what, I don't care how much work it'd take to update, but I wanna do end times as an m+ dungeon in the infinite season

The bosses and trash have more mechanics than smbg at least

Only downside is they'd have to pick two bosses out of 4

[rain cave]

I mean considering the hinting that the infinite might not be so bad after all

as we're questioning every overbearing power

whilst also realising that no power is inherently evil

I wouldn't be surprised if we had some kind of subplot once he becomes murozond

to stage a fake death

as like a funny quest or mega dungeon thing

[deep pawn]

omg, if it turns out his death in cata was fake I'd lose my mind

[rain cave]

I'm just imagining either the faked death thing or

One of the bosses is ourselves

Stopthem from killing him

[languid yoke]

since when are PTR realms not available

[upper pasture]

Man, what a weird last quest to unlock at renown 24 DE

Feels like it could have easily just been a side quest

[uncut vault]

tbh I think that's exactly what the renown should be

side stories that build backstory and culture tied to the premise of the renown rep

and not major plot beats like the Valdrakken ones

the Iskaara one is a perfect example IMO

[upper pasture]

I mean I’m not arguing that little side stuff is bad just that they made that a renown 24 out of 25 reward so I was expecting a little bit more than that

[crystal pond]

2-3 weaks already

[deep pawn]

he said not available, perhaps they took them down

[dense plover]

maybe new build tomorrow?

[tulip sun]

Was there one last week?

[ancient jasper]

Nope

Because of Christmas and whatnot

[crystal pond]

Probably next week
This week is a weekend

[inland elm]

When will the Trading Post Come Live?

[silent urchin]

First month will likely be feb, patch hitting maybe two weeks from now

[inland elm]

Okay thx

[glass flicker]

Bunny store mount incoming for Year of the Rabbit.

I'm calling it now.

[upper pasture]

wdym, "calling it" it was literally announced when they started the 1 year subs

[glass flicker]

What.

[upper pasture]

what DO you think that bunny outline is?

[glass flicker]

Oh.

[upper pasture]

lol

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-geralt-of-rivia-the-witcher-fuck-gif-15913480

[upper pasture]

i just hope it lookes nice at least

[ionic terrace]

well, there are no realms now, so maybe? they were just offline yesterday

[crystal pond]

Is that ptr build is supposed to be the trade one or with forbidden reach one?

[ionic terrace]

it should still be 10.0.5

reach and such are 10.0.7

[rain cave]

the fire dragon world boss journal entry says he gets his power directly from the firelands

and that his goal is to open portals to the firelands to get more power

which is interesting

since is it implying they siphon power from the elements or that some very primal part of the elemental plane provides them with it

also, I had a flash of a ragnaros comeback except he's now called "Ragnaros the Dragonlord" and he rides a big dragon with his cursed legs hanging down

[cosmic beacon]

Nah it’s just swirly rag from mc on a dragon

[rain cave]

but with riding goggles

and a safety helmet

[upper pasture]

and riding gloves don't forget riding gloves

[ionic terrace]

new 10.0.5 vendor build

10.0.5.47460

[plain violet]

Niiice!

[dense plover]

Little late but we might get a ptr today

Could also be later in the week though

I assume they want to test more trading post objectives so they might activate events or something

[silent urchin]

Well PTR realms are down so it seems likely

[leaden cairn]

[ionic terrace]

are they back? been no realms for a bit now

back but offline*

[silent urchin]

oh, no change then

saying no realms available

[ionic terrace]

😔

[ember blaze]

hoping evokers get enabled

[tidal fiber]

what does the sun and moon warden sets look like on worgen?

[dense plover]

dont think theyre available to play around with

[tidal fiber]

If the moon set looks good on female worgen, was pondering using my vicious saddle on the white saber mount because that would go really well with it

[plain violet]

They are not available yet, yes.

But I think there were good?

[ionic terrace]

Realms are back but offline, maybe today lol

[silent urchin]

Interesting, no build though?

[uncut vault]

a vendor build got put out wednesday, just waiting for it to go to PTR

[dense plover]

Probably gonna push today

They sent an email blast this week to get more people to test

They just pushed a classic LK build

So they’re working on stuff

Probably need to properly encrypt and avoid crashes

[ionic terrace]

I do wonder if a reason is because the trading post stuff had a 12 day limit back in December when they first put it on

And they didn’t have it set up to swap yet

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent urchin]

looks like there's the update

mage tower back, lots of class changes, trading post disabled, profession spec unlock skill requirement reduced

presumably because many specs had trouble hitting 100, particularly if the last spec you unlocked had all the spark crafts

build 47481

so slightly newer than the vendor

[ionic terrace]

Nice

[silent urchin]

servers are up

[dense plover]

Monk changes are great

Stagger not being baseline was my biggest complaint

New talent seems good

Still wish faeline stomp was on the monk tree instead of the stupid statues

I actually like the gameplay and the damage of the talent is decent

[silent urchin]

not sure if there's anything to actually check out at 70 for classes without changes

but also goddamn are addons unhappy

[dense plover]

Damn, spirit of the ox having 8 procs per min is crazy

[dense plover]

Mage tower

[silent urchin]

oh hang on the primalist tomorrow changes are in

oh

actually it's the game that's very unhappy and spamming debug errors

https://i.imgur.com/7Ex42Ag.jpeg new quest ontop of the big tower to do primalist future stuff

https://i.imgur.com/edCzptY.png bunch of rewards

second item is the existing storm currency, first is new

gear is 385, has special effects that interact with primalist future, seems there's a cold/heat thing

https://i.imgur.com/7XWShIe.png https://i.imgur.com/0sXoudr.png

boo, I guess I'll post direct images

infinite sigils, not that they're really needed at this point except for transmog completionism

event doesn't seem to actually be up

at least not right now

[uncut vault]

the error messages this build are wild lol

[silent urchin]

I think it's just debug logs? Not actually errors

well, some errors

https://i.imgur.com/6eIgK0l.png new icon for rares on map

[deep pawn]

more clues towards a Jan 17th patch date

[upper pasture]

Maybe the chest isn’t supposed to be bought with sigils or maybe it’s supposed to be BoA instead of BoP

[silent urchin]

It gives sigils, I mean

it costs stuff from the new event

[upper pasture]

Yes but it gives them too

So likely it’s not suppose to be costing them and giving them

[deep pawn]

you still can't copy evokers

rip

[upper pasture]

One or the other

It’s probably supposed to cost like 500/1k storm dust or whatever it’s called

[deep pawn]

yeah, Evokers super bugged

[silent urchin]

Not seeing anything really new in primalist future to do

the event is apparently every 5 hours, but no timer visible

not sure if disabled or just not showing one

[candid ruin]

I copied mine no issue

[deep pawn]

my copy either fails or is a level 58 with nothing

[candid ruin]

weird

worked flawlessly for me

[deep pawn]

try to log in and I'm under the world in Hillsbrad til I get ported to Alterac

but no talents or skills

[silent urchin]

so the "portable heat source" consumable for storms fury has no cooldown

the effects stack but it just gives a buff to counter freezing that stacks to 25

so it just fills that up very fast

[dense plover]

unless im wrong - great vault icon is different

horn icon has a golden glow now

gold dragon on rare WQs looks different too

account quests have a cute icon now

trading post has specific chat for it being closed

both essentially say the same thing

location of the pet was moved

[deep pawn]

As buggy as this build is how can they be ready for the 17th

[dense plover]

doesnt feel terribly buggy

what are you talking about?

another new icon

strange choice but prof WQs also got updated icons - maybe because theyre bringing them back?

[silent urchin]

Is that new, or just a side effect from updating the profession icons themselves?

[dense plover]

idk

[silent urchin]

apparently some more missing boot etc appearances were added

[dense plover]

mage tower is WAY overtuned

like holy shit

its actually impossible

[silent urchin]

probably meant to be stupid hard for now

and somewhat more doable with 10.1

[dense plover]

it scales tho

[silent urchin]

oh

[dense plover]

its just hard af for some reason

storms fury is up

elemental portals are active and need to be disabled

\

[silent urchin]

event itself seems kinda underwhelming

https://i.imgur.com/TJB8tRO.png gotta love the resolution here

[dense plover]

definitely temp icons

[silent urchin]

not to mention needing to do camera trickery just to see it

takes a while to close a portal..

[dense plover]

its definitely meant to work in groups

i think the intention is that this event wont be as easy as say - soup

whats your character?

[silent urchin]

you mean am I the nelf DK named vaephera that I think you just landed next to?

yes

[dense plover]

lol

you dont need to see the bar to know its working

but i agree - it should be elsewhere

[silent urchin]

tbh I had to mouse over it once just to know what to do

presumably there's a variant for each of the 4 elements

[dense plover]

theres heat here now

you have to continue to defend old portals

not sure this is viable with this few people

[silent urchin]

the consumables for this are gonna get expensive fast, too

and makes sense, otherwise why would the NPC buff consumable exist

[dense plover]

i want to know what the primalist cosmetics are

maybe raid weapons and armor recolors?

that would make this worth it

yeah i cant defend this solo

this needs way more people

[silent urchin]

nothing new listed under sets

[dense plover]

could be encrypted or unimplemented

but yeah the portal turned back on after i died

[silent urchin]

second portal seemed to be spawned dudes faster, was making very little progress

[dense plover]

so yeah you essentially need people at every portal

pretty hard

not sure the ilvl is high enough

385 -_-

[silent urchin]

well

the boss here has 34million hp

[dense plover]

should be a bit higher

390 or 395

[silent urchin]

Yeah... at least world boss equivalent

unless he also drops world boss quality gear

https://i.imgur.com/wcV3TFQ.jpeg

definitely a raid thing

Maybe makes the consumables less onerous

[dense plover]

considering the consumable works for everyone for 15 sec, its not that bad

better gold than elemental overload currency

[cosmic beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1000143153510240296/1061428007803297862/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1000143153510240296/1061427720430551090/image.png

new weapon on ptr

is literally vdh balance of power weapon

just different base

perhaps other artifacts added in the future or parts of wod weapons for example used for new weapons

[uncut vault]

I'd love if they added the original Thas'dorah somewhere

[cosmic beacon]

[uncut vault]

the one they ended up editing it to is way too much IMO

[cosmic beacon]

so far im loving the look of the new stuff added

generally really nice recolours or just new/unused models

and ones like this being remakes of old raid weapons from blackwing are cool asf

[dense plover]

im absolutely okay with new versions of old artifacts (generally excluding the mage tower ones)

so balance of power re-colors is fine

[dense plover]

not quite the same though

they also removed the bottom blade

[uncut vault]

Like I said they could honestly start with just adding all the unused ones lol

[cosmic beacon]

@dense plover

[cosmic beacon]

me waiting for unholy dk mage tower recolours

[leaden cairn]

Only if it includes druid shapeshift forms too

[dense plover]

well - i think we might see something else in that regard

they mentioned balance druids not being forgotten

and with the customization changes to characters, i think druids are overdue

[leaden cairn]

Way overdue

[dense plover]

why have full skins and not dragon riding style customization for druid forms?

base skeleton, part changes, colors, all separate

then you have full transformations like stone form or hulk form for bears, etc

[leaden cairn]

I reckon that'll come with the end of the expansion, or at the start of the next one; making all pre-DF flying mounts able to use the DF flight mechanic. Maybe adding legacy flying as an option

[subtle oar]

Huh? owo

[uncut vault]

#beta-ptr-spoilers message

[glass flicker]

I want to imagine Blizzard adding a new crafting profession, Carpentry. Used to make wooden trinkets and whatnot that can be used as rep tokens with various factions, or as currency for specific NPCs.

It would make some rep grinds easier. Looks at Nat Pagle

[upper pasture]

If carpentry gets added I want it to be because they need a new profession to make making stuff for your own house or others

[glass flicker]

Also that.

And also make it a general profession like cooking or fishing, so you don't have to sacrifice a main profession just to decorate your house.

In fact, intertwine carpentry with any profession to display your craftsmanship in your house. You a herbalist? Potted exotic herbs. Alchemist? Potions on a shelf. A scribe? Make a library.

[upper pasture]

naw, make it a main profession so you can sell furniture on the AH/crafting system and make money off of people wanting to furnish their house

[glass flicker]

Who says that's not possible with a secondary profession? Just make it so people can't use decorations that they don't have the crafting skill for. Like an alchemist/herbalist using engineering furnishing. Or at least make it so they'd require at least 100 skill points in that profession before giving it up.

I believe carpentry could be an amazing secondary profession.

[upper pasture]

i'd much rather all furnishings available no matter your own professions than have ones locked behind other profession skill besides it's just cosmetics just let people use them

[glass flicker]

As for where you'd get the wood required, some mobs can be harvested with herbalism. So you'd get wood from them.

At this point in time, there is no point at all to harvest plant-based mobs with herbalism.

[tropic trail]

They need to give balance Druid a major buff in DPS and PVP. We went from being a desired class in shadowlands at one point to most avoidable class in Dragonflight! Takes me about 17 applications to get into PVP groups and about 1 hour for M+ or Raids. Basicly last option even with full raid gear and glad set.

Suggestion — allow Incarnation Crit bonus and Convoke together again! That will give us a equal playing field! Also heart of the wild buff needs to add a bonus for balance druids and not just a basic little spell Dmg buff.

[glass flicker]

Make your own groups, or join a guild. Pugs will never be raliable.

It's not your fault for playing your wanted class.

[leaden cairn]

If they ever add player housing, I want carpentry to be added as well for furnishing and decorating.

Other crafting professions could get stuff like that too, like tailoring for rugs, leatherworking for animal pelts/trophies, blacksmithing for more furnishing, jewelcrafting for decoration, etc

[dense plover]

New 10.0.5 vendor build

[plain violet]

Nice!

[rain cave]

balance druid players when they aren't S tier

omegalul

[tropic trail]

Bruh, what?

Bal Druid main here too

We're not avoided, what???

We're one of the best DPS specs still - sure, not S tier and there are better things currently, but we're still high up there. Maybe not in PvP, but PvE content we definitely are.

[echo sandal]

Im always happy to play M+ with balance druids, they are great

[tropic trail]

yeah

we're some of the most positive mfs out there, we're willing to play a MOON CHICKEN

🙏

[rain cave]

I find the spell effects of balance cool

just wish I could go all in on being that

and ignore the class tree

and forms

I don't want to turn into a cat or a badly animated bear

I want to see my transmog and not worry about having to be in a form

[tropic trail]

I -think- there's an effect, glyph or whatever for Moonkin form that just turns you into a spectral form of yourself when you shift to moonkin

So you get to see your mog

[rain cave]

I know

it's ugly

and the issue isn't that entirely

it's the issue of needing to toggle on a bloody form all the time

why can't I just get a glyph that makes my default form get the moonkinbonuses

😭

[tropic trail]

You get used to it tbh

[rain cave]

it's just annoying

another button to bind on a class that already has a ton of buttons

[tropic trail]

yeah

tho tbh

considering i don't use any action bar addons

this isn't THAT bad

[rain cave]

surprised you have rez bound