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deep pawn Nov 29, 2022, 9:43 PM

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Whatever he did seems unique to Draenor/Outland

subtle oar Nov 29, 2022, 9:45 PM

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From what I understand, they aren't cured. Since Nzoth is dead, the madness within them has ceased. Kinda like Mannoroth and the Orcs

deep pawn Nov 29, 2022, 9:53 PM

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Nah, that'd mean their complaint that Wrathion didn't find a cure for the flight is false since it was him working with the Champion and MOTHER that killed N'zoth

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Sabellian supposedly found a cure in Outland

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And old god corruption doesn't fade that fast

plain violet Nov 29, 2022, 10:03 PM

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Sabellian is too.. sus, as a character.

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But I agree Irion portrayal didn't really maked sense. It seem forced for the sake of having the two be a "difficult choice"

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If he was still the one from BFA, I suspect players having a whole different opinion and Sabellian not being chosen at all, which is not what seem wanted by Blizzard who want a 50/50.

subtle oar Nov 29, 2022, 10:05 PM

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There's a 3rd faction too

plain violet Nov 29, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Yeah but we "close" it during side quests. :/

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Short speaking, it was a void cult hiding.

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(and using illusions)

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Their believers are still OK even after discovering the truth about the cult, and us killing the imposter, but they are not thought as good for it.

subtle oar Nov 29, 2022, 10:08 PM

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plain violet Short speaking, it was a void cult hiding.

The elemental faction?

plain violet Nov 29, 2022, 10:11 PM

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Yes!

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Ogres and void-cultists were actually the leaders of the elemental faction, using illusions.

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And using the black drakonids to well.. attempt another hour of twilight.

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We discover the truth to save them, especially a child.

crystal pond Nov 29, 2022, 10:22 PM

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Still asking
Is forbiden reach still closed for max lvl?

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There was quests that wasnt here on beta and I Wonder if anyone get to them

uncut vault Nov 29, 2022, 10:32 PM

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subtle oar From what I understand, they aren't cured. Since Nzoth is dead, the madness with...

Ebonhorn backs this up, given his original corruption and restriction to Highmountain wasn't due to the Old Gods but a separate c'thrax

dense plover Nov 30, 2022, 5:16 AM

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they voiced the beef seasoning quest

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this was one of the things i wanted and asked them to do!

rain cave Nov 30, 2022, 6:15 AM

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The soup animation in the tuskarr village is randomly really high res

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It's funny

tropic trail Dec 1, 2022, 4:21 PM

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I’m mad I can’t jump in the soup bowl tbh. They could of had us have some fun with it it’s okay my character still eats the Tuskar Soup

short prism Dec 1, 2022, 8:15 PM

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Have all the reputation quest lines been encrypted, or is that something that has been datamined yet?

upper pasture Dec 1, 2022, 8:21 PM

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tropic trail I’m mad I can’t jump in the soup bowl tbh. They could of had us have some fun wi...

During the soup event sometimes you get selected to jump in the bowl and stir it up

silent urchin Dec 1, 2022, 8:43 PM

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I unlocked the first tuskarr rep quest a little bit ago, so presumably they're available for datamining or whatever

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https://www.wowhead.com/quest=68640/sudden-isolation this is the first tuskarr one, so there's some stuff up but it's not got full data

short prism Dec 1, 2022, 9:17 PM

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Interesting!

silent urchin Dec 1, 2022, 9:24 PM

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final part of it unlocks ottuk traming for hunters. Neat quest line. Lots of feels. Very heavy on npc chat, too, so the quest data itself won't mean too much until someone adds that manually, I guess

dense plover Dec 1, 2022, 9:28 PM

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They’ll only show up as unencrypted once someone who has done them shares the tactkey

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Which has to be done via the wowhead client or capturing it for wow.tools

silent urchin Dec 1, 2022, 9:32 PM

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I uploaded data after finishing the questline

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so presumably it'll appear

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I don't really know how it works

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oh and I did it as DK and still got the ottuk taming reward so I guess even that is account wide?

dense plover Dec 1, 2022, 9:36 PM

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Probably

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Would be frustrating if everything else was account wide

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You could check a high level hunter for their passives

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Might be beastmastery only

silent urchin Dec 1, 2022, 9:38 PM

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actually

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I'm confused

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it's meant to unlock at 11 and I got it at 7

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oh well, makes up for none of the 3 teleporter quests unlocking properly

dense plover Dec 1, 2022, 9:40 PM

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That’s weird

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Wonder if they hotfixed it but haven’t baked it in yet

silent urchin Dec 1, 2022, 9:42 PM

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I doubt it. I've had like a revolving door of messenger dudes tagging along, most of the time without a quest, I suspect it's just not quite working right

silent urchin Dec 2, 2022, 3:54 AM

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Ah apparently it unlocks after rank 11 centaur rep

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I did have one bug like that on beta that I reported, although they were just stub quests at that point and I think they even turned those off after

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 5:16 AM

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whats up with these guys in azure span?

hidden frost Dec 2, 2022, 6:29 AM

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I can't go to dragon islands or start Dragonflight campaign

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o.o

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 1:11 PM

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hidden frost I can't go to dragon islands or start Dragonflight campaign

Did you buy the expac?

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Also think that would be #wow-help

hidden frost Dec 2, 2022, 1:51 PM

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dense plover Did you buy the expac?

Yes

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 1:52 PM

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hidden frost Yes

Ask in #wow-help. They’ll help there

hidden frost Dec 2, 2022, 1:54 PM

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I can't go through the PTR mostly

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 1:54 PM

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hidden frost I can't go through the PTR mostly

Yeah no

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Expac isn’t playable on ptr

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Ptr isn’t free wow

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You have to do it through retail wow

hidden frost Dec 2, 2022, 1:56 PM

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oh yes

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thanks

sonic flame Dec 2, 2022, 2:00 PM

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wait till they drop next patch on ptr and we will see if ptr isn't free wow

crystal pond Dec 2, 2022, 3:00 PM

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dense plover whats up with these guys in azure span?

Encrypted quest or easter egg maybe?

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 3:01 PM

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crystal pond Encrypted quest or easter egg maybe?

Gotta be an Easter egg

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I just don’t get it

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Just like I’m pretty sure the quest “ill gnolls with ill intent” is a reference but I don’t get it

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 3:56 PM

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any bets on alextrasza being the end boss? or potential future boss?

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 4:19 PM

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0 chance

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End boss is Murozond- 100% chance

silent urchin Dec 2, 2022, 4:22 PM

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I thought we already defeated murozond

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although yeah, that makes sense given the ||chromie cutscenes||

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although I've also seen speculation that at the end of raid 1 ||we defeat razagath, but the other 3 primal dragons are released anyway, and each is the end boss of a patch||

jade spade Dec 2, 2022, 4:57 PM

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My bets are on galakrond

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 5:23 PM

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dense plover End boss is Murozond- 100% chance

Not 100

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Murozond doesn't feel like a threat enough to be a true end boss

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Maybe he's like second last boss

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If he's in the last raid

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He could usher in a last boss for sure

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That is his whole purpose anyway

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Doesn't he even say in hs

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Usher in the end time

upper pasture Dec 2, 2022, 5:28 PM

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I think we’re gonna get baited and switched with murozond or at least I hope so I don’t wanna say goodbye to time boi 😦

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 5:28 PM

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Chromie corruption arc

upper pasture Dec 2, 2022, 5:29 PM

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I feel like he’s going to try and “do the thing to become him and chromie is gonna do something worse instead

silent urchin Dec 2, 2022, 5:29 PM

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I mean we already killed him in End Time, but I guess with time shenanigans we can do it again

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 5:29 PM

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Remember, we killed Murozond in a 5 man, a supposedly aspect/void empowered level. We can absolutely kick the crap out of him and he goes to End Time to lick his wounds and that's when we find him

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 5:29 PM

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silent urchin I mean we already killed him in End Time, but I guess with time shenanigans we c...

Man's infinite

silent urchin Dec 2, 2022, 5:29 PM

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merely a setback

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 5:29 PM

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Every timeline could have a murozond

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Df shows the creation of ours

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 5:30 PM

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I swear I read that Nozdormu himself can't have copies across time

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I can't find the exact quote anymore

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 5:30 PM

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If he flips it'll be because he learns something about neltharion I reckon

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Because those bits were blocked from him

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Probably by the titans

upper pasture Dec 2, 2022, 5:32 PM

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I thought he becomes Murozond when he stops himself from dying hence breaking some rule about time or whatnot?

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 5:32 PM

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I've been operating under the assumption that Nozdormu being so certain the loop was closed when we killed Murozond because he knew that there was no other Murozond but that in all time. But with time travel we just have no idea how long he's operated when he dies.

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He shatters the timeways attempting to prevent his death but it's a sad case of predestination that cause we know the infinite and Murozond exist, along with Nozdormu always knowing how he dies, that makes it inevitable. Unless they break something core about Aman'thul's power.

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I can buy him giving in to save someone else at the same time though to parallel Neltharion's choice when he bound Razageth.

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If he does it to save Chromie for example, I think even as Murozond he'd protect her by saying he did it to only avoid his own death rather than give her the guilt.

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 9:28 PM

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Got all excited when I saw the news post because I thought it was the datamined long dragon but it’s just a sylvern

worn crown Dec 2, 2022, 10:26 PM

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For the people that says we "already killed" Murozond in End Time so him can't be the big boss...
We "killed" Archimonde in Warcraft 3 ending, but then we killed him again in WoD as a last boss in Hellfire

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If Blizz want, they'll just do it
I hope they do

uncut vault Dec 2, 2022, 10:48 PM

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we also don't need to kill bosses for them to be fights anymore

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Jaina and Sylvanas got them adn survived just fine

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a fight with him could easily involve stopping what he's doing rather than killing him

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 10:51 PM

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Demons are different than a dragon

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odds are we weaken him greatly but he escapes to the end time

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grr, opening the tradeskill window will crash you

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or disconnect at least

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 10:58 PM

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I’m still on board the “end time is just a possible timeline that we prevented by killing deathwing, so a Murozond fight is still possible” train

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 10:58 PM

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nah, Nozdormu was pretty clear about the loop being finished and his future self not causing any additional harm

crystal pond Dec 2, 2022, 11:11 PM

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Yeah but the fact that Nozdormu will transform to murozond is fact

uncut vault Dec 2, 2022, 11:11 PM

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End time is a possible timeline, but that Murozond was our Nozdormu who went to that possible timeline

crystal pond Dec 2, 2022, 11:11 PM

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Probably yeah
We will fight mura and then he will run away in timeways to end time

uncut vault Dec 2, 2022, 11:11 PM

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he didn't originate there

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Who knows, maybe us beating the shit out of him is a reason why we beat him in a 5 man lol

crystal pond Dec 2, 2022, 11:12 PM

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Also the guy in New uldaman run away from us

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So Mura 100% can run away from us

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Until time Police will catch up with him

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 11:24 PM

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deep pawn nah, Nozdormu was pretty clear about the loop being finished and his future self...

But he said this before we changed the future

dense plover Dec 2, 2022, 11:24 PM

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uncut vault Who knows, maybe us beating the shit out of him is a reason why we beat him in a...

This is the only ending I’m okay with

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Him hiding out in an alt timeline because he is on deaths door

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And that’s how we were able to beat him in a dungeon

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 11:29 PM

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I don't believe we changed the future at all

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we just avoided one outcome of many

uncut vault Dec 2, 2022, 11:32 PM

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I think ultimately if they want to get around it, they can say that our Murozond is dead, but the whole purpose if creating him is to break the main timeline and becoming infinite

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so if they succeed, there are probably other variants out there

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our Nozdormu's story can conclude as a loop of tragic inevitability, and they can still play with the concept of Murozond as much as they wish

deep pawn Dec 2, 2022, 11:48 PM

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I'd rather them leave a gap between the raid and dungeon for him to organize and lead the infinites

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time is infinite after all

rain cave Dec 2, 2022, 11:58 PM

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I'm thinking maybe his consort will die

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Wife whatever

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She was highlighted in the quest

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He might do something in retaliation after she dies not even thinking or realising it'll make him nozdormu

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Not until after

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He'll realise what he's done and just fade into the timeline

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And then we're down an aspect

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I get the feeling that the nozdormu/murozond stuff is being set up as like our act 2 loss

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Before the rally and counter attack

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Like sanctum of domination

deep pawn Dec 3, 2022, 12:18 AM

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so you think patch 10.1 with Iridkron might be the end of act 1?

rain cave Dec 3, 2022, 12:25 AM

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Potentially

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If we're getting a more common patch cycle

uncut vault Dec 3, 2022, 12:54 AM

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Im expecting his turn to Murozond to be the big "argus in the sky" moment

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leading into time shenanigans as the focus for 10.3 ala visions of nzoth

rain cave Dec 3, 2022, 1:02 AM

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uncut vault leading into time shenanigans as the focus for 10.3 ala visions of nzoth

I mean the black empire stuff in the chromie quests really hinted at old god stuff

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like the fact that they saw us all that time ago, and are known to do long form plans

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wouldn't surprise me if they were like "ooh time travel? those guys are from the future? how can we game the system then.."

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 2:38 AM

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https://youtu.be/GeGEdm4xwgA

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Excuse me what in the??????

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I swear I need to See this quest really bad

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 3:14 AM

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So...
Everyone ready to loot Tyr in next patch?

uncut vault Dec 3, 2022, 3:32 AM

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I’d say it’s more likely we eventually loot odyn, and this new Tyr becomes Prime Designate

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 3:53 AM

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uncut vault I’d say it’s more likely we eventually loot odyn, and this new Tyr becomes Prime...

Even better

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 5:14 AM

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you can transmog windwalker monk artifacts on brewmaster

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i bet its a bug but idc

upper pasture Dec 3, 2022, 5:14 AM

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I think I could do that on live too before prepatch

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 5:15 AM

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i thought they removed it

upper pasture Dec 3, 2022, 5:15 AM

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No, that was in beta but I’m saying retail live before prepatch

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 5:16 AM

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when did they add this animation?

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 5:45 AM

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Hitting rank 13 renown with dragonscale DCd me, oof

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guessing something got decrypted for the questline

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Interesting quest, it seems

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Finally get to go to the veiled ossury

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 5:53 AM

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so there IS a quest there!

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 5:56 AM

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well, part of it

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plot for this is ||there's a sealed facility under tyrhold, that was locked by Tyr himself with the dragons sworn to secrecy over it. Currently retrieving 3 bits of key, one of which is on the Ossuary, although only like 20% of it gets used. Might get some more solid answers on the whole order magic controlling dragon thing||

upper pasture Dec 3, 2022, 5:57 AM

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Yeah I was gonna hunt down some dragon artifacts after dinner to hit 13

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 5:58 AM

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shovels

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lots and lots and lots of shovels

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plains is fantastic for dirt

upper pasture Dec 3, 2022, 5:58 AM

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😂

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 5:58 AM

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I've gone through about 20 shovels

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aww I think the actual stuff is gonna be behind the second part of the questline

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Yup

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Shame, the first tuskar one was pretty self contained

deep pawn Dec 3, 2022, 9:23 AM

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rain cave I mean the black empire stuff in the chromie quests really hinted at old god stu...

As beings of void they in many ways exist outside of time. It's why they have so many visions of the future. Wouldn't shock me if they were even aware of their deaths even if they wouldn't know when it'd happen

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I'm stunned people are there. I finally hit renown 8 with expedition after I found a quest line in thaldraszus that was a ton of rep

uncut vault Dec 3, 2022, 10:12 AM

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I assume people are just farming out black dragon rep/titan relics for it

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I cant really see any other way to get so high, side quests only give so much and world quests are insanely slow now

little hound Dec 3, 2022, 2:37 PM

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little hound Dec 3, 2022, 3:12 PM

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QUEEN

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 3:30 PM

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Omg

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Im sorry but
Her dragon model is so ugly

pulsar minnow Dec 3, 2022, 3:31 PM

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Personally I love the new model

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 3:36 PM

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Its just high res and its look a little bit weird toward other aspects models
But outside of it yeah New model looks cool

jade basalt Dec 3, 2022, 3:38 PM

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The angle and quality of the video/picture isn't great

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The model itself seems to look amazing

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 3:42 PM

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Now waiting for New malygos and Neltharion models to show up

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 4:53 PM

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crystal pond Now waiting for New malygos and Neltharion models to show up

dont expect that since theyre not coming back

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 4:59 PM

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dense plover dont expect that since theyre not coming back

There quests with them (encrypted or not available for live still)
Also they included in art book
So atleast their visages will be in game
(also Neltharion have like 3 encrypted models for df)

glass flicker Dec 3, 2022, 4:59 PM

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Too bottom heavy. Also, her feet are very boring.

upper pasture Dec 3, 2022, 5:38 PM

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uncut vault I cant really see any other way to get so high, side quests only give so much an...

I’ve got to say besides the bugs at launch my only downside I feel to DF right now is how often WQs reset. Twice a week seems very slow compared to before but I guess I can just do it on more alts

rain cave Dec 3, 2022, 5:51 PM

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neltharion in this xpac is kinda like arthas in shadowlands

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how the entire thing is almost on his shoulders as a story base, very related to the story

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but because he's dead and they probs don't want to bring the voice actor back for a couple flashback things, they have to kind of awkwardly dance around it

jade basalt Dec 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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crystal pond There quests with them (encrypted or not available for live still) Also they inc...

The artbook concepts were for Legacies most likely

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Malygos and Neltharion already do appear in a flashback in visage form, they use old models

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 6:41 PM

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how are people getting so quickly to these high renown levels?

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i barely broke renown 10 in beta

deep pawn Dec 3, 2022, 6:47 PM

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There's probably some bugs involved, plus they all have grindable drops

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Artifacts, trophies, stories, etc

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 6:59 PM

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valdrakken in particular gets a lot from grinding rares

crystal pond Dec 3, 2022, 7:08 PM

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jade basalt Malygos and Neltharion already do appear in a flashback in visage form, they use...

Ysera using old model too in flashbacks lol

jade basalt Dec 3, 2022, 7:20 PM

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dense plover how are people getting so quickly to these high renown levels?

Nolifing it

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This guy explains how he did it for example in the comments https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/zb9b7c/i_did_a_thing/

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dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 8:11 PM

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jade basalt Nolifing it

so people are just grinding endlessly?

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 8:25 PM

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yeah

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 9:00 PM

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so i take it the mother oathstone quest isnt enabled since it ties into raid launch?

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 9:17 PM

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currently stuff ends when you return to valdrakken after the chromie bit, you don't even get the quest to go to the raid entrance

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the 8th questline in the campaign list is currently blank, so I assume that's the raid related one

rain cave Dec 3, 2022, 9:18 PM

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you heard it here first folks

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 9:18 PM

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Or maybe not, actually, mother oathstone shows there

jade basalt Dec 3, 2022, 9:27 PM

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They explicitly call the seed a World Tree by the way
https://i.imgur.com/83wCfP9.png
https://i.imgur.com/2Fq0za7.png
https://i.imgur.com/OdRMMOb.png

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dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 10:13 PM

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isnt that last one about the bough on the island?

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 10:13 PM

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rain cave you heard it here first folks

is this a copypasta or is someone truly this dumb?

silent urchin Dec 3, 2022, 10:14 PM

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green bit is AI generated text based off the first bit

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 10:14 PM

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oh ok

jade basalt Dec 3, 2022, 10:31 PM

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dense plover isnt that last one about the bough on the island?

Yeah but it mentions "the nascent Tree"

uncut vault Dec 3, 2022, 10:34 PM

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it really feels like they just have no actual sense of a narrative or thematic value for Ysera lol

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she just constantly gets sappy cinematic moments with no real purpose other than "feel sad!" or "feel happy!"

dense plover Dec 3, 2022, 11:44 PM

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this side quest chain is great

deep pawn Dec 4, 2022, 3:06 PM

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I liked the hearthstone club myself

deep pawn Dec 4, 2022, 6:43 PM

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So I'm nowhere near the renown for that story, but they planted that stupid seed just east of the conspicuously round water area eh?

crystal pond Dec 4, 2022, 7:45 PM

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they planted it in emerald dream

deep pawn Dec 4, 2022, 8:31 PM

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The portal is still right there haha

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And the dream isn't a barrier to the void ever

blazing ledge Dec 5, 2022, 3:52 AM

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Tyr

glass flicker Dec 5, 2022, 3:50 PM

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He's with the stone boi, Tony!

tropic trail Dec 6, 2022, 12:28 AM

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did they ever explain what happened to nathanos? lmfao i feel like i missed what happened to him after he died

upper pasture Dec 6, 2022, 12:42 AM

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he in the maw, somewhere

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surely she will find him one day but who knows

glass flicker Dec 6, 2022, 12:44 AM

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Ngl, they should do more things alike what they did with Nathanos in the Plaguelands.

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Aka lore significant world bosses with cutscenes/cinematics.

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Remember when Brutallus was a boss in Sunwell, and he became a world boss in the Broken Shore? More of that, pls.

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 2:09 AM

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how about not locking lore moments behind a temporary event?

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 2:28 AM

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new Assassin's Creed just dropped

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seriously though i love these

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one sec

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there we go

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accidentally left some personal info

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also theyre a ton of rep

crystal pond Dec 6, 2022, 2:39 AM

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Still laughting about that Mountain pick near raid

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 2:48 AM

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giant hearthstone

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omg - hearthstone cards XD

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i mightve stumbled upon something

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its like im in an alt phase

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there are monsters

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oh

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apparently it gives inscription knowledge

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but i dont have inscription

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im trying to find the inconspicous bookmark

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i have no idea where it is

uncut vault Dec 6, 2022, 3:17 AM

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tropic trail did they ever explain what happened to nathanos? lmfao i feel like i missed what...

He's just in the Maw somewhere, Sylvanas is trying to find him

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I wouldnt be surprised if they do a short story at some point in the future of "hey here's sylvanas rescuing various souls from the Maw"

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Nathanos, Saurfang, Zelling, etc.

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 4:38 AM

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found stormdrakes on the isles - in thaldrazsus

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idk why theyre here

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 5:16 AM

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wait - can you only use the waygates every 30 min?

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thats shit

upper pasture Dec 6, 2022, 5:22 AM

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I mean 830% speed means I’d hardly ever use the way gate anyways. Flying feels so good right now lol

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 5:32 AM

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can be useful to switch from one side of the map to the other

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idk

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im enjoying all the weird side stuff i find

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like the rest of the gleamcoves

deep pawn Dec 6, 2022, 5:44 AM

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there's waygates and the nomad stones

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 5:48 AM

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deep pawn there's waygates and the nomad stones

nomad stones?

deep pawn Dec 6, 2022, 5:56 AM

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yeah, renown 11

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let's you teleport to the nomad camp

upper pasture Dec 6, 2022, 6:02 AM

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Ah the aylaag waystones

deep pawn Dec 6, 2022, 6:02 AM

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No one is gonna know what that means, so nomad stones works

upper pasture Dec 6, 2022, 6:02 AM

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I mean using what the game calls them is probably the easiest way to tell someone what they are looking for

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 6:13 AM

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i love that you can get dragon isles supplies from everything

rain cave Dec 6, 2022, 12:02 PM

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dense plover i love that you can get dragon isles supplies from everything

Struggling to find stuff to spend it on though

upper lantern Dec 6, 2022, 2:03 PM

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There are plenty of xmogs and dragon customizations you can get with supplies

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 2:17 PM

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The cataloging and climbing upgrades cost thousands each

deep pawn Dec 6, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Yeah but those are account wide and one time only

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I'm only missing one right now

rain cave Dec 6, 2022, 3:39 PM

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upper lantern There are plenty of xmogs and dragon customizations you can get with supplies

Where

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 3:52 PM

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Next to Jeb at the dragonscale base camp

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The lantern

sonic flame Dec 6, 2022, 11:22 PM

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ptr offline?

dense plover Dec 6, 2022, 11:23 PM

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They’re probably going to test 10.0.5

deep pawn Dec 6, 2022, 11:25 PM

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hype

crystal pond Dec 6, 2022, 11:31 PM

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New spoilers? dracthyr_tea

dense plover Dec 7, 2022, 12:07 AM

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Probably not much significant

sonic flame Dec 7, 2022, 12:11 AM

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is 10.0.5 the one we hit when the raid starts?

crystal pond Dec 7, 2022, 12:17 AM

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sonic flame is 10.0.5 the one we hit when the raid starts?

No idea
Maybe a next patch
Since raid already was tested

rain cave Dec 7, 2022, 3:14 AM

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just imagining a glyph that turns all the earth spells for shaman into diamond like magni

crystal pond Dec 7, 2022, 4:45 AM

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Is raid will be open on next week?

upper pasture Dec 7, 2022, 4:45 AM

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Yes

tropic trail Dec 8, 2022, 1:13 AM

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when are the primal storms supposed to happen for the gear wasnt stated for the 12th rip were they tested even in beta? lol

dense plover Dec 8, 2022, 1:14 AM

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@tropic trail pretty sure the storms were tested

rain cave Dec 8, 2022, 1:30 AM

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tropic trail when are the primal storms supposed to happen for the gear wasnt stated for the ...

apparently they come out with the raid

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which people have pointed out as strange

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because it's meant to be a long grind for any of its gear

dense plover Dec 8, 2022, 4:15 AM

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"The Bottomless Reliquary Satchel trinket now provides primary stats." - took long enough

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i complained about this during beta

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"The amount of Impressive Dragon Skulls required to complete Tarjin's Tale reduced to 5 (was 25)." - holy shit

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amazing

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 4:18 AM

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They really want to remove pain points

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I'm super impressed they fixed azure span

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I'd love a dev cooler talk about that issue and fix.

dense plover Dec 8, 2022, 4:19 AM

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yeah the end of the raids and the community feast change

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 4:19 AM

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Oh raids was just a way to stop degeneracy

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What did they do to feasts?

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Besides make them better

dense plover Dec 8, 2022, 4:20 AM

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they changed something to reduce the lag

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same with stopping the raids

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it reduces the lag

glass flicker Dec 8, 2022, 4:21 AM

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I'm confused by Dragonbane Keep. When does it start? I've been in the same spot waiting for the boys to come with the cart for three hours.

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 4:21 AM

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Oh, I thought you meant the change to only one dragonbane raid every 2 hours

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It's every two hours. It warns you for an hour before it starts, it ends in about 15 minutes. 45 minutes later the warning comes back up

glass flicker Dec 8, 2022, 4:22 AM

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But I've literally sat in the same spot for three hours. Wut?

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 4:23 AM

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Hmm, weird. And you have renown 4 or 5 with accord on that char?

glass flicker Dec 8, 2022, 4:24 AM

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I have 13 atm.

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Maybe I was just afk when one of the sieges started. Can't explain it otherwise.

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 4:26 AM

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It's pretty much every 2 on the dot. Beef starts moving

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Wowhead timer is correct

glass flicker Dec 8, 2022, 4:26 AM

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How annoying that I missed it. Urgh.

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 4:27 AM

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Last one was at 10 est, next should be in 33 minutes for na

crystal pond Dec 8, 2022, 11:35 AM

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So like
Im still confused
The final boss of New raid will be available after christmas?

deep pawn Dec 8, 2022, 1:28 PM

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Only on lfr

dense plover Dec 8, 2022, 7:15 PM

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/an-engineering-update-on-the-dragonflight-launch/1437657

World of Warcraft Forums

An Engineering Update on the Dragonflight Launch

With Dragonflight’s recent launch behind us, we want to take some time to talk with you more about what occurred these past few days from an engineering viewpoint. We hope that this will provide a bit more insight on what it takes to make a global launch like this happen, what can go right, what hiccups can occur along the way, and how we manage...

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Really interesting read

silent urchin Dec 8, 2022, 7:34 PM

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somewhat light on actual tech details

jade basalt Dec 9, 2022, 12:55 AM

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Appreciate the transparency

plain violet Dec 9, 2022, 11:31 AM

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That's wonderful to read.

rain cave Dec 9, 2022, 3:55 PM

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I know it's just profession filler but

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I like how this implies that the order we're gathering is actually just refined from all the elements

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perhaps it's true that the cosmology chart is actually inverted from how we've thought about it

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instead of all these other pure force realms existing

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and reality being in the crossfire, a mixture

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it's more like elements and reality started first

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and then these other things grew from that

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would certainly be poetic, order is created from chaos.

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Since the 'chaos' (burning legion) was created by order ( a titan)

deep pawn Dec 9, 2022, 5:00 PM

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Entropic suggests order comes first and degrades into the rest

rain cave Dec 9, 2022, 5:14 PM

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deep pawn Entropic suggests order comes first and degrades into the rest

entropy is just chaos though is it not?

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the idea that no matter how hard you try to order things

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eventually it'll bleed around

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and become a mess, a combination

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unordered

deep pawn Dec 9, 2022, 5:18 PM

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It's various things, like entropy happens regardless, it's always increasing until equilibrium is reached

deep pawn Dec 9, 2022, 5:38 PM

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Most people associate it with the eventual heat death of the universe

jade basalt Dec 10, 2022, 1:38 AM

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To be fair we're talking about transmutation. You can transmut any component into anything. Doesn't mean one naturally comes from the other.

rain cave Dec 10, 2022, 2:46 AM

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jade basalt To be fair we're talking about transmutation. You can transmut any component int...

it's just an interesting choice of words. Effectively saying "break down order into chaos"

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but also into the direction of elements

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so if you work backwards through the logic it's "combine the chaotic elements into order"

rain cave Dec 10, 2022, 2:47 AM

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jade basalt To be fair we're talking about transmutation. You can transmut any component int...

keep in mind I don't think this is literally transmutation

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you're getting multiple things out the other end

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it's more like a breaking down into components type thing

dense plover Dec 11, 2022, 2:21 PM

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My name is mentioned in the newest article!

coarse quail Dec 11, 2022, 3:58 PM

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dense plover My name is mentioned in the newest article!

Congratulations and well done 🎉👏👏

deep pawn Dec 11, 2022, 10:36 PM

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Can't wait for PTR

ancient jasper Dec 12, 2022, 6:18 PM

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Shit this Trading Post thing sounds amazing

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 6:29 PM

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sounds low key like a battle pass but not having to buy a battle pass

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which, is amazing.

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 6:50 PM

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lowkey tho "ressurect players" who proof read this and allowed it to go out especially with that in like the dead center of the screen

deep pawn Dec 12, 2022, 7:10 PM

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No no

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It's prepping the game to go to f2p

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AND THEN IT'S A BATTLE PASS

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 7:38 PM

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i mean to me a battle pass is just a limited time check list that you have to buy into most times. this looks to be neither limited time nor having to buy access so. i look forward to doing the random monthly stuff and collecting free rewards

deep pawn Dec 12, 2022, 7:43 PM

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It is limited with the way it rotates so it does have an element of FOMO, and like I said, this could easily be how they keep people subbing if they go f2p

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 7:51 PM

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new items introduced every month they never said anyything being taken away tho. time will tell i guess

deep pawn Dec 12, 2022, 7:54 PM

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On the first of the month, the traders will obtain new items and update the activities in the Traveler’s Log for the new month. Items that are rotated out of their inventory won’t be gone for good though—they’ll rotate back into the inventory in future months—

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 7:54 PM

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oh, must have missed that

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i do think this will be the end of them updating the old holiday events tho since each month will be a holiday at that point

deep pawn Dec 12, 2022, 8:12 PM

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Why the HELL is there no skip in Halls

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 8:16 PM

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just don't die XD but no i second this

dense plover Dec 12, 2022, 8:26 PM

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upper pasture lowkey tho "ressurect players" who proof read this and allowed it to go out espe...

That’s concept art so typos are fine

upper pasture Dec 12, 2022, 8:31 PM

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Yeah but like it was right there. That’s all I’m saying

rain cave Dec 13, 2022, 5:43 AM

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deep pawn It is limited with the way it rotates so it does have an element of FOMO, and li...

test the system and gauge interest now
pivot the game to f2p, keeping the sub as a '+' service with qol features and a monthly or daily login reward potentially related to the trade post

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Also obligatory fortnite rotating shop

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I will say I basically predicted this in like 9.1

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I'm all for the trade post though

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Allow them to make new cosmetics without tying it to the xpac

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Maybe we'll see some more classic tier remasters

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Or naga, troll, pandaren, rp clothing, etc styles

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Since now that their xpansions are done their traditional chances at cosmetics are looking slim

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Would be interesting if they did a time walking month where the trader items and challenges tied in

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Could even do like references in the challenges

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Like "throw a bomb on the ICC outer platforms " as a reference to those exploiters

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"Aggro at least 30 whelpings at once in the blackwing lair"

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/kneel in front of reckful

deep pawn Dec 13, 2022, 5:51 AM

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yep

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this means that ptr likely comes up right after Christmas

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I can't see it coming before despite the encrypted stuff

dense plover Dec 13, 2022, 6:39 AM

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rain cave >test the system and gauge interest now >pivot the game to f2p, keeping the sub ...

theyre not going to pivot to f2p

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99% of wow's income is from subs

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there are no f2p mmos that make as much money as wow

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theyre doing this to KEEP people subbed

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if you need to be subbed on the first of the month, it means youll want to be subbed all the time, even if you barely play, just to claim your monthly 500

deep pawn Dec 13, 2022, 6:47 AM

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Unless they're changing to compete with how Riot's gonna monetize.

crystal pond Dec 13, 2022, 8:07 AM

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When raid will be open?

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Where is fooking cinematics blizzard

crystal pond Dec 13, 2022, 4:53 PM

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After cutscene
Do anybody get vibe that alex will be a villian?

iron jungle Dec 13, 2022, 5:28 PM

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hmm

dense plover Dec 13, 2022, 7:46 PM

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crystal pond After cutscene Do anybody get vibe that alex will be a villian?

No chance

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The point of this is to make the villain slightly more complex

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Provide clear motivation - something the jailer sorely lacked

dense plover Dec 13, 2022, 9:01 PM

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Can’t watch the finale cutscene - was I right? Do the other incarnates get out?

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And does Raszageth survive?

silent urchin Dec 13, 2022, 9:02 PM

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Yes to the first, no to the second

dense plover Dec 13, 2022, 9:03 PM

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Sick

deep pawn Dec 14, 2022, 2:41 AM

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I still can't see the incarnates carrying the rest of the expansion

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At best I see Iridikron dying in 10.1

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The other two as a pair boss or something

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 2:49 AM

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Dont forget we will get murozond and maybe galakrond

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 3:00 AM

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deep pawn At best I see Iridikron dying in 10.1

i think theyre 10.1

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and i think murozond is 10.2/10.3

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 5:02 AM

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https://youtu.be/7SWbDErdor8

YouTube

Wowhead

Razageth Post Raid In Game Cutscene

#Razageth #dragonflight #Cutscene

▶ Play video

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Sweet old god corruption dracthyr_tea

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corrupt galakrond to make aspects
corrupt inkarnates to start a dragon war
provoke neltharion to embrace void
at the end make neltharion deathwing for hour of twilight

Eze

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 5:16 AM

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crystal pond Sweet old god corruption <:dracthyr_tea:1002363142602489957>

I know it's most likely old god and that's what the pointers are towards

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however

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imagine if it isn't kek

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 5:18 AM

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thats what i predicted MONTHS ago

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 5:19 AM

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Still waiting for magni to show up

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 5:20 AM

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this is my theory from august

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It could also tie into the dagger/nzoth and xalatath; imagine if nzoth was put into the dead old god's body, now he is the smartest and no longer the weakest and this could help bring about the hour of twilight and tie into some kind of old god/void lord expac which would flow very well from a murozond storyline```

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 5:20 AM

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And tell to inkarnates that "yall azeroth is a baby titan, wtf you all up to??"

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 5:22 AM

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also cutscene absolutely confirms the leaked 10.1 underground stuff

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 5:22 AM

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Please not be boring please not be boring

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Also black dragon flight arc 100%

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 5:25 AM

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crystal pond *Please not be boring please not be boring*

i dont think it will be considering our zones so far

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as long as we get more DF - more customizations, more cosmetics, more renown, more races, more story?

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we are good

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i like how whenever khadgar is present they reference the legion/draenor hero motif

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https://youtu.be/KLt-9ZmJl1Y?t=135 this music

YouTube

Warcraft Music

Dalaran Khadgar Music (by Neal Acree) - Warcraft Legion Music

Follow me on:
Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/WarcraftMG
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Be sure to subscribe: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7f0ajWNrF1RMRN4EPJj13w?sub_confirmation=1

▶ Play video

deep pawn Dec 14, 2022, 5:32 AM

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I got my https://www.wowhead.com/item=202107/shadowscrawled-coin today

Wowhead

Shadowscrawled Coin

An item in the Other Items category. Added in World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch (10.0.2).

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The ethereals are watching again

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 5:36 AM

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dense plover ```the dragon isles is on top of the corpse of the 5th old god. think about this...

I mean remember when raszageth just randomly rocked up to azura span?

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and we're not sure why

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kalecgos was like "why was she here the oathstone is in the other place?"

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if leylines are arcane and arcane is unnatural

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and tyrhold is like light from that beam

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AND you have life with the emerald dream thing there

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perhaps those 3 forces were being used to suppress the old god thing underneath

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I'm also curious if there's some primal incarnate of decay hiding somewhere

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because of all the gnolls being randomly influenced by decay magic

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and how that's just kind of chilling in the back but also sounding important af

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 5:57 AM

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rain cave I'm also curious if there's some primal incarnate of decay hiding somewhere

no

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there are 4 incarnates

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we know this

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the decay magic is something the gnolls are actively USING

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theyre not influenced by it - its there because of them

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might be tied to the 5th old god if there is one beneath the isle

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ghuun was sorta decay

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but idk

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ghuun was an experiment

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maybe it was based on a piece of the corpse below the dragon isles?

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 6:01 AM

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g'huun was interesting because while he obviously had a lot of elements of decay and the like, he honestly felt a lot more like an extreme expression of life

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unbound spread and contagion is basically the ultimate expression of unhindered life

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and would fit with being a void-inspired twist on it given both of them are now associated with disorder and "chaos" in a way compared to the structure of light/death/arcane

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 6:17 AM

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dense plover the decay magic is something the gnolls are actively USING

From what I've heard, yes the gnolls are using it but they only just got it

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It was given to them and they're using it even to their own detriment

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It was not something they apparently had before

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 6:38 AM

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it is noteworthy that the gnolls, at least in the azure span, are a shamanistic group, so it could be that with the resurgence of the elements being the cause of the healing of the land, the spirit of decay has resurged along with it, starting with the Decatriarch's discovery and escalating to what we see

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 6:49 AM

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Well
On the picture with all universe stuff it showed that decay is similar power compare to earth, air and etc

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On both of them
And since azeroth is like titan of primal power then yeah decay rised with other elements

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Oh wait now it make sense why galakrond was using decay magic instead of void

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 9:16 AM

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dream portion of the Ysera chapter uses Telogrus/void music, intriguingly

deep pawn Dec 14, 2022, 9:45 AM

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void is gonna be a part of it, the void guy is the one likely putting money into the adventure guide

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he's seeing what we're up to

plain violet Dec 14, 2022, 9:51 AM

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uncut vault

Interestingly, the same music was used for BFA Dream portion.

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 12:06 PM

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uncut vault it is noteworthy that the gnolls, at least in the azure span, are a shamanistic ...

According to the artbook, the gnolls have always used Decay

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Just not to this extent

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Then again, in-game it's depicted more as a new thing, so maybe that overwrites what the artbook said

silent urchin Dec 14, 2022, 12:12 PM

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They've always had a lot of disease related stuff

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it was never really explicitly decay as that's a relatively new concept

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 12:12 PM

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I'm talking about the Dragonflight artbook, which talks about the Dragon Isles gnolls, it said that they always occasionally used the magic of Decay

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 12:25 PM

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So yeah it's probably just an element of their shamanism, that the Decatriarch took to an extreme

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 1:09 PM

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We've updated Tarjin's page with all the djaradin tales by the way https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tarjin_the_Blind#Quotes (texts courtesy of Laytis)

Wowpedia

Tarjin the Blind

Tarjin the Blind is a djaradin located at the Outcast's Alcove in the Waking Shores.

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 1:24 PM

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Are there only three?

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 1:57 PM

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uncut vault Are there only three?

There's a whole bunch, try refreshing the page?

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 2:58 PM

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crystal pond On both of them And since azeroth is like titan of primal power then yeah decay ...

We're not even sure she's a titan

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From the sounds of it, no she isn't

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Since the primalists hate the titans

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 3:26 PM

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Dragon aspects didnt know anything about azeroth and the real reason why titans was on azeroth

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So primalist didnt know too

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Well azeroth is simmilar to argus its even hited by magni in quest

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Also she have heart so dracthyr_tea

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The problem with titans was that they forced everyone to follow their way
And that primalist trying to clean azeroth from order

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Also
Where did it come from that azeroth is not a titan/something similar to titan?

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 3:42 PM

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The titans didn't force anyone, the Aspects willingly accepted their gift, and the others (who later became the Incarnates) rejected it. And it would've stayed like this, if the Incarnates didn't then start to wage war on the Aspects because they want to enslave all mortal races.

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As far as we know, Azeroth is a titan, she said so herself through Magni, her Speaker.

Players are speculating that she may be more than that based on Zovaal's "secret the First Ones sought to hide" line and Primalists and some other things.

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:16 PM

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but how do we know azeroth is a titan lmao

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we have no definitive evidence that azeroth is by nature a titan

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:16 PM

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rain cave but how do we know azeroth is a titan lmao

Play legion and bfa magni quests

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:16 PM

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what of them?

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:17 PM

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In legion there is long af questline with magni and azeroth having heart attacks
In bfa... Well i mean

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:17 PM

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so?

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:17 PM

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Its saying everywhere that she is a titan

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:18 PM

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how

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we've literally got evidence of the other titans pumping her full of magic to try and make her into a titan

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:19 PM

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Where is it? They pumping a arcane to make her order titan

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We have sargeras and argus who full of chaos/fel magic

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But they both titans

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:20 PM

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all titans are order being by nature

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just like how mortals are being of life/death

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but a mortal can be a warlock

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or a mage

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:20 PM

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Also dont forget that old gods was on azeroth

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:20 PM

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or a druid

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:20 PM

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And almost succeded

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And thats why they was imprisoned and not killed

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:20 PM

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what I'm saying is that world souls aren't necessarily by nature orderly

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or titans, specifically

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the titans go around trying to make more by converting world souls

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is the setup I am sensing

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:23 PM

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You was saying that azeroth isnt titan when multiple quests and dialogues saying that she is a baby titan/world-soul

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dracthyr_a1

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:24 PM

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you can't do titan/world soul

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those are distinct things

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and all the quests saying she IS a titan

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are said by titans

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or titan related entities

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:24 PM

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?????

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:24 PM

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and we already know that they have a bias lmao

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:25 PM

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So magni being a speaker and hearing her all time is lie, false, etc?

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:25 PM

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no?

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but magni is literally a titan aligned being atm

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:26 PM

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rain cave and all the quests saying she IS a titan

Then when you did get it from? Chronicals yes
Quests are never given by titans
I just trying remember legion

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:28 PM

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rain cave but magni is literally a titan aligned being atm

If he helped titans in legion because sargeras was about to corrupt them isnt making him controled by titans

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 4:28 PM

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Azeroth is definitely a Titan now, but it’s much more up in the air as to if she’s always been one

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And if she inherently always has to be one

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:29 PM

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Maybe she is something similar to titan but not actually a titan

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 4:32 PM

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my thinking is that pre-shadowlands she had been turned into a titan, the plan was all going well

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yes she was hurt by sargeras, but that damage was being repaired

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in accordance with titan edicts

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but when zovaal sucked all that magic out of her, it may have reverted her to a more primal state

crystal pond Dec 14, 2022, 4:37 PM

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Rn its only wait to see the whole situation with incarnates, aspects and all titan stuff
We about to have tyr back so maybe we will found out who azeroth actually is

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||one of the first one lmao||

worn crown Dec 14, 2022, 4:40 PM

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tbh I'm 100% with Incarnates. I love the Raszageth dialogue with Alextrasza in a cinematic in which Rasz says something like this: "you forced the titan's edicts upon as all, you betrayed the world that gave you life and when we dared resist you cast us out"

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I don't see it as a "gift". The titans want order everywhere and they force it upon creatures disguising it as a "gift"

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The line from Odyn in one of the books in new Uldaman illustrates it well: "Life is chaos. It must be controlled."

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#teamincarnates

plain violet Dec 14, 2022, 5:00 PM

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rain cave my thinking is that pre-shadowlands she had been turned into a titan, the plan w...

I think I can agree with you on that part.

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The elemental surging when Azeroth is healed, etc.. I wonder if the expansion will dwelve on that.

deep pawn Dec 14, 2022, 5:46 PM

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Life is chaos, remember the botani

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 6:07 PM

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worn crown I don't see it as a "gift". The titans want order everywhere and they force it u...

Again, they had the choice to accept it or not. Some proto-dragons did, and became dragons. Some didn't, and remained proto-dragons. That sounds fine to me.

But proto-dragons later decided that they actually they want to destroy everything, enslave mortal races, and return Azeroth to a barren elemental landscape. They are anti-civilization, and anti-mortal races, so we kind of literally can't live together.

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 6:45 PM

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I think it’s a bit more complicated

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I feel like BEFORE the aspects, they were forcing it potentially

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It’s at least a possibility based on the Uldaman books

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 7:10 PM

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It's more like the titans wanted to order the world and control everything on it

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You could join voluntarily or not

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But if you got in their way they'd just erase you

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Primalists probably don't take kindly to having their race dictated by titans, their eggs imbued with order

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The world that spawned them ordered and infused against their will

lean pulsar Dec 14, 2022, 7:51 PM

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Il’gynoth in legion

"Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path."

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Il’gynoth in BFA:

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"Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters’ way."

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5 oath stones were lit

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While throughout leveling dragon isles

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It's safe to say il'gynoth meant the oath stones and not pillars of creation

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 7:57 PM

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rain cave It's more like the titans wanted to order the world and control everything on it

I mean, the devs were pretty clear about it:

As proponents of Galakrond, they believed that everyone should be subservient to them.[1]

So they're not nuanced or legitimate in their actions or anything, they're just proper bad guys who were mad Galakrond got killed, wanted to enslave all mortals, and therefore waged war on the peaceful Aspects who fostered life forms and civilizations.

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Then again this was never mentioned in-game after so perhaps they dropped that.

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 8:11 PM

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jade basalt I mean, the devs were pretty clear about it: > As proponents of Galakrond, they...

But also galakrond potentially ended up that way because of the titans right? Didn’t they experiment before they got it right with the aspects - one of the books mentioned extra eyes or tentacles or something right?

rain cave Dec 14, 2022, 9:49 PM

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dense plover But also galakrond potentially ended up that way because of the titans right? Di...

nah it's confirmed that galakrond was void corruption

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from yogg saron

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I believ

uncut vault Dec 14, 2022, 9:59 PM

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after the disasters that were interview statements the last two expansions, I'm inclined to say that the galakrond stuff is dubious canon until it actually shows up in game lol

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they'd have mentioned him literally once at all at any point if he was involved in the core beliefs of all of them

upper pasture Dec 14, 2022, 10:00 PM

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Wasn’t it “he drank the impure water” “before the titans cleansed it” which if I was testing with stuff and something bad happened that’s exactly what I’d say too if I messed up big time with an experiment

dense plover Dec 14, 2022, 11:47 PM

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upper pasture Wasn’t it “he drank the impure water” “before the titans cleansed it” which if I...

That’s what I thought, which imo would explain the beliefs of the primalists

jade basalt Dec 14, 2022, 11:57 PM

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dense plover But also galakrond potentially ended up that way because of the titans right? Di...

Galakrond was created by the Old Gods corrupting the Wellspring of Eternity, a font of Azeroth's lifeblood (similar to Sholazar, the Vale of Eternal Blossoms etc.), with Void magic. Specifically it was Yogg-Saron who did it.
Xal'atath also makes a reference to Galakrond being an Old God minion back in Legion.

Tyr then killed Galakrond, and cleansed the waters with Order magic, removing the taint of Void, preventing this from ever happening again.
As a secondary effect Tyr also realized that the Order magic benefitted the dragons and their eggs, and also benefitted the titans, by making them less beast-like and more ordered in general.

dense plover Dec 15, 2022, 12:20 AM

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jade basalt Galakrond was created by the Old Gods corrupting the Wellspring of Eternity, a f...

Where is this from? Not doubting just like reading

jade basalt Dec 15, 2022, 12:20 AM

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It's from the Uldaman lore books (and Xal'atath is one of her quotes from Legion)

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I believe one from Tyr to Loken

dense plover Dec 15, 2022, 12:22 AM

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Oh huh

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Ok

deep pawn Dec 15, 2022, 4:22 AM

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Yeah, the fact we're getting something old god related before the end of this expansion is just super obvious

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My only hope is they don't destroy the brand new tree

upper pasture Dec 15, 2022, 4:29 AM

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The NEs lose another tree? I sure hope not aren’t they supposed to be the ones to best take care of nature.

deep pawn Dec 15, 2022, 4:36 AM

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Well the underground zone is likely near it

dense plover Dec 15, 2022, 5:18 AM

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deep pawn Well the underground zone is likely near it

either the hole to the underground will be in that big open ocean area

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or its near the waking shore since thats where the black oathstone is

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 10:53 PM

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uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:08 PM

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wowtools is officially dead for the purposes of new builds 😔

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understandably, but the lack of public access going forward is going to suck so hard

ionic terrace Dec 15, 2022, 11:09 PM

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Warlords of Draenor crafted item appearances have returned. You can purchase recipes for Optional Reagents for each relevant profession from the vendors in your garrison or in Ashran that cost Secrets of [Profession] tomes that are the old daily cooldown craft. Use the Optional Reagents when crafting Warlords of Draenor crafted gear to convert them into the new appearance.

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Hm

upper pasture Dec 15, 2022, 11:16 PM

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It’s finally coming everyone

glass flicker Dec 15, 2022, 11:17 PM

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When?

upper pasture Dec 15, 2022, 11:17 PM

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It’s coming in ptr so 10.0.5?

glass flicker Dec 15, 2022, 11:18 PM

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HyperThonkSpin

upper pasture Dec 15, 2022, 11:18 PM

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Next patch is gonna be great. Trading post and transmog whites/greys AND artifact weapon enchants

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I hope they try to get 10.0.5 out before New Years. It would make sense for the trading post timing

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:29 PM

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uncut vault wowtools is officially dead for the purposes of new builds 😔

oh? what happened?

dense plover Dec 15, 2022, 11:31 PM

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Al of these are great: “Common (white) and Poor (grey) quality equipment can now be used for transmogrification. These items will now become bind-on-equip.
Enchant illusions can now be applied on Artifact weapons.
New Toy: Reusable Oversized Bobber – Acquired from catching 100 fish with the Oversized Bobber. The toy version supports all bobbers in your toy collection and will automatically work with new bobber additions.”

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Reusable bobber though

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I’ve used like 20 bobbers this expac alone

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I love the big bobber

silent urchin Dec 15, 2022, 11:33 PM

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changes all sound good

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:33 PM

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rain cave oh? what happened?

going read-only

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only thing that can be datamined now is the presence of DB2 changes, but not their contents

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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uncut vault going read-only

wdym

silent urchin Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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hopefully it doesn't take too long to come out cause it's pretty lightweight on any content, hopefully we get some 10.1 news fairly soon

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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like you can only access existing build content

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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as in builds are being encrypted in a new way?

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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nothing from new stuff

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no like, the site itself

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datamining is fine (changed this build, but fine)

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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but isn't wow tools a fan thing

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:34 PM

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but the site with easy public access is going down

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:35 PM

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so they're basically going to control who can datamine?

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by making it exclusive to certain people with access to the tool?

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:35 PM

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this isnt blizzard's doing

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site runner is just having irl issues, not up to running it anymore

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hence understandably why its going down

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:35 PM

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huh

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but it's still around just in private form?

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:36 PM

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but for the moment, it means datamining is a lot less accessible

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:36 PM

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why not give all the tools he has to the public

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:36 PM

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YEah just takes specific tools like the one WoWhead or MMOchamp use privately

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:36 PM

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or wowhead

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icy veins

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:36 PM

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wowhead already has em

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:36 PM

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but it's proprietary?

uncut vault Dec 15, 2022, 11:37 PM

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yeah wowhead keeps theirs private

rain cave Dec 15, 2022, 11:38 PM

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that's a ball-ache

dense plover Dec 15, 2022, 11:46 PM

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uncut vault only thing that can be datamined now is the presence of DB2 changes, but not the...

You can use the offline tool

pulsar minnow Dec 15, 2022, 11:59 PM

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oh my gosh a Warden Armor Set

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that just made my day

hidden frost Dec 16, 2022, 12:00 AM

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o.o

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still offline?

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 12:07 AM

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dense plover You can use the offline tool

was it made available? thought that was a WIP

dense plover Dec 16, 2022, 12:07 AM

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It’s WIP but it’s available

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I don’t know if you can diff

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I think that’s potentially planned

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 12:08 AM

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got a link? can DM if you wanna keep it less public

dense plover Dec 16, 2022, 12:09 AM

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I think you can check Marl’s twitter

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Cool they’re adding reverse races and achievements to track drake unlocks

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 12:14 AM

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imagine a DH running around in warden gear with warden glaives lmao

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also hope they add a 2H glaive

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https://tenor.com/view/spoon-big-spoon-funny-mad-evil-stare-gif-17762991

Tenor

ionic terrace Dec 16, 2022, 12:26 AM

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damn this is the first time they've added elders since cata

dense plover Dec 16, 2022, 12:52 AM

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Cost stuff confirms you can always afford the most expensive trading post item even if you have none saved up

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None of the costs in the news post are above 1000

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I hope they don’t change that

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I like knowing that I don’t have to freeze an item to be able to buy it

jade basalt Dec 16, 2022, 1:17 AM

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In fact the warden mount costs 999, which would indicate they can't do 1000 or more

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Or won't

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Unless it gets changed

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 1:28 AM

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I don’t like that it’s 999 cause once I buy it I’ll always be at xx01

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Much rather see it get bumped up to 1k for my sanity’s sake

jade basalt Dec 16, 2022, 1:40 AM

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You can round it back up!

You have 1000. You buy it for 999. You're left with 1.

You earn 1000, you're now at 1001.
You buy it for 999, you're left with 2.
Etc.

After 10 times you should have 10. After 100 times you'll have 100.

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 1:40 AM

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yes i understood it the first time you posted it

signal bone Dec 16, 2022, 1:54 AM

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can't wait to see those new armor sets

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rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 2:42 AM

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signal bone

is it a tmog set? not armour type specific?

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usable by all classes/races

candid ruin Dec 16, 2022, 3:06 AM

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holy 10.0.5 looks like a banger already

hidden frost Dec 16, 2022, 4:13 AM

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hidden frost

for me
the PTR is still offline

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o.o

candid ruin Dec 16, 2022, 4:15 AM

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could be offline for awhile

hidden frost Dec 16, 2022, 5:16 AM

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Oh

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O.o

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 6:25 AM

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rain cave usable by all classes/races

Seems like it's a cosmetic set. Aka usable by anything.

deep pawn Dec 16, 2022, 6:55 AM

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so this is coming in a month based on achieves

plain violet Dec 16, 2022, 9:05 AM

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Damn.

plain violet Dec 16, 2022, 9:05 AM

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deep pawn so this is coming in a month based on achieves

Which achievement?

deep pawn Dec 16, 2022, 9:06 AM

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they're adding elders to the dragon isles for Lunar Festival

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and the Trading post has a bunch of tasks related to Love is in the air and the hatchling event in February

plain violet Dec 16, 2022, 9:07 AM

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Oooh, interesting, effectively!

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 9:09 AM

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oh right were already halfway through dec lol

languid yoke Dec 16, 2022, 12:08 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/trading-post-vendor-items-and-costs-coming-in-patch-10-0-5-330564?webhook if we were to immediatelly take this post as fact then the first few items are also mostly love is in the air-themed

Wowhead

Trading Post Vendor Items and Costs Coming in Patch 10.0.5

The Trading Post in Patch 10.0.5 allows players to complete monthly activities for special cosmetic rewards. We've datamined a list of the first batch of items along with their costs!

silent urchin Dec 16, 2022, 12:09 PM

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Would make sense, mid-late jan release and first batch being february

plain violet Dec 16, 2022, 12:24 PM

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That's so good...

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Thanks!

dense plover Dec 16, 2022, 2:40 PM

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Apparently PTR has new Zandalari hair colors

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https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1603676576641867776

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

New Zandalari Haircolors

Likes

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crystal pond Dec 16, 2022, 2:42 PM

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Knowing Presence whispers:
I... know you. What you were. What you will yet be.
You will follow him to the deep places. The dark waters will flow in his wake.

Poopy waters will flow again dracthyr_tea

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I still wonder if old gods actually succeeded and azeroth already corrupted

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Oh wait
This is probably how nozdormu will be corrupted dracthyr_a1

dense plover Dec 16, 2022, 3:23 PM

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https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1603731179316056065?s=46&t=C9pl25g37aAx9wLL5123Zg

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

edit mode will include options for the micro menu, bags, XP/rep bars, and durability frame settings

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Looks like you might be able to set your bags to sort to the bottom or top

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 3:29 PM

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crystal pond Oh wait This is probably how nozdormu will be corrupted <:dracthyr_a1:1002363110...

its definitely going to be a story of "Nozdormu looked into the past for Neltharion's corruption because he wanted to see why it happened and judge the merits of himself doing it soon"

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10.2 will probably have iridikron as the final boss, nozdormu has to make the choice to become infinite to stop him

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 3:31 PM

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uncut vault 10.2 will probably have iridikron as the final boss, nozdormu has to make the ch...

So what's 10.1?

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 3:31 PM

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Underground zone, final boss probably being the other two incarnates

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their defeat will lead into Iridikron tapping into those dark bargains mentioned

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(likely old gods lol)

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 3:32 PM

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Hopefully getting a new model in the process

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 3:32 PM

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which leads into wherever 10.2 takes place, Nozdormu has to become infinite to stop it, thus finally completing the whole "old gods tricked Nozdormu into becoming murozond" backstory

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 3:33 PM

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I do love the idea that iridikron can literally just hide underground

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I can just imagine him like one of the worms in dune

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I'm just imagining a boss fight just set in literally the entire tamaris map trying to stop him eating the caverns of time

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And he keeps trying to pop up from the sand and eat us

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So we have to dragon ride to avoid him

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 3:53 PM

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Knowing Presence whispers:
With many eyes, they will see again. They will drink, and be uplifted.
Deeper, deeper its roots will reach. Welcoming our embrace.
Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Our dreams. Our song.

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Is this referencing how galakrond had many eyes?

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The other whisper says dark waters, this one talks about them being uplifted after drinking

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And roots? Is the tree gonna be nuked again?

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Or corrupted

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 3:56 PM

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I doubt it lol, it might be threatened

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but theyre not going to risk that level of explosive fandom lmao

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 3:56 PM

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I mean it mentions dreams immediately after

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Emerald dream is actually azeroths dream? Perhaps

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Would fit in with the azathoth name similarity

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And also give a reason as to why the nightmare was created

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Also did anyone else notice malfurion green eyes now

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Beware the eyes of green...

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 4:11 PM

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he's had them since Legion, it's always been such a weird change

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I actually speculated on the eye thing back in BfA haha, cause he's simply the only person who fits

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and it's such a random, lore-breaking change to his model for no reason other than something like that

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 4:15 PM

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You could also say he is the vassal of life

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He is taking yseras place

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He is her vassal in the shadowlands

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 4:16 PM

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Ysera better address the Remnant of the Void in the Emerald Dream.

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 4:16 PM

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Wasn't it addressed in bfa

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 4:16 PM

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Was it?

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 4:20 PM

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Yeah its gone, Merithra and the other green dragons cleanse the void that festered from it

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the player can pluck the remnant of the flower during the scenario

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 4:20 PM

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Huh.

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 4:21 PM

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it's a grown patch of greenery in the DF version

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jade basalt Dec 16, 2022, 4:31 PM

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uncut vault and it's such a random, lore-breaking change to his model for no reason other th...

Malfurion has just always been wildly inconsistently portrayed with silver eyes, purple eyes, blue eyes, golden eyes, green eyes..

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Curse of the eyes!

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Most likely they changed them to green because it may have looked more druidic. (Even though golden eyes are, ironically, supposed to mean "druid" for night elves.) And both HotS and Hearthstone have always depicted him with green eyes instead of gold, so when they updated his model for Legion, they matched that.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/allstars_gamepedia/images/0/03/Malfurion_Storm_Mantle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151218230150

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 4:38 PM

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Yeah it's one of those unfortunate "HotS negatively influencing their WoW portrayal" issues ala kael'thas' voice inflection

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would be nice to get some lore about them in the aftermath, just because of how important eye glow is for elves lol

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 4:41 PM

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jade basalt Most likely they changed them to green because it may have looked more druidic. ...

I thought he had blue eyes in HotS

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those look borderline blue

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also in bfa his eyes glowed

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whereas in the new cinematic they're just like, normal green eyes

silent urchin Dec 16, 2022, 4:44 PM

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Looking again at that trading post blog.. https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/JFBCYN5QKVOR1670826119902.png is it me or does it seem like the tiger mount might be a free reward from completing the points track

jade basalt Dec 16, 2022, 4:48 PM

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rain cave I thought he had blue eyes in HotS

in-game it's kind of a blueish green, but in the art it's clearly green, these are his portraits/art https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/allstars_gamepedia/images/c/c9/Malfurion_Hero_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20170618195134
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/allstars_gamepedia/images/2/2b/Hearthstone_Malfurion_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20170618193839
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/allstars_gamepedia/images/c/c4/Malfurion_Mastery_Portrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20170618195133

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 5:03 PM

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jade basalt in-game it's kind of a blueish green, but in the art it's clearly green, these a...

1st one could be green yeah

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2nd and 3rd leaning more blue

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2nd is quite blue

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 5:04 PM

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Malfunction needs a better mustache.

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 5:04 PM

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MALFUNCTION

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 5:04 PM

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rain cave whereas in the new cinematic they're just like, normal green eyes

That’s mostly just medium differences, his eyes are still like that in the brief pre-rendered model we saw in dragonflight

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rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 5:06 PM

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malfurion's been changing outfit a lot

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back in WC3 man had a blue beard and yellow eyes

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in reforged he has green eyes and beard tho

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vanilla wow he stil had yellow eyes

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in cata he had silver eyes?

silent urchin Dec 16, 2022, 5:07 PM

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There's definitely an aspect of blue in the eyes from that cinematic model. Although the distinction between blue and green is... surprisingly complicated

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 5:08 PM

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greenest they've ever been I reckon tho

silent urchin Dec 16, 2022, 5:08 PM

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In all the artwork earlier it definitely feels like there's some blue there too

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It's weird, though. Compared to all his hair they are definitely more blue, but if I look away and back sometimes they do appear more green

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 5:09 PM

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but why are they even blue/green at all

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they should be orange, no?

broken kraken Dec 16, 2022, 5:10 PM

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any of you ptr data miners know if there's any new changes for winter veil holiday event?

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or it the same as last year

ionic terrace Dec 16, 2022, 5:12 PM

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the only holiday thing i noticed was elders for dragon isles

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 5:12 PM

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rain cave back in WC3 man had a blue beard and yellow eyes

He and Tyrande clearly share hair dye

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Got mixed into their shampoo one day and they rolled with it

ionic terrace Dec 16, 2022, 5:12 PM

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and i think trial of style things

broken kraken Dec 16, 2022, 5:15 PM

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oh nothing new for Xmas event then?

ionic terrace Dec 16, 2022, 5:15 PM

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i don't know

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the 2022 present we already knew

silent urchin Dec 16, 2022, 5:25 PM

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10.0.5 isn't coming before winters veil

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if there were changes, presumably would have been in 10.0

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don't recall seeing any but I can't say I went looking

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 5:41 PM

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any news on when they'll enable the profession intro skip again?

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it's frustrating since I'm having to run my alts through all the quests every time

signal bone Dec 16, 2022, 6:02 PM

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will we be able to see the blood troll / buccaneer / jester sets in this build?

silent urchin Dec 16, 2022, 6:07 PM

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buccaneer models are in, I think, but not the other two

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ah no, some textures but not the full thing

plain violet Dec 16, 2022, 6:47 PM

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uncut vault would be nice to get some lore about them in the aftermath, just because of how ...

Maybe they also took from the Cata book where Hamuul eyes became gold and emerald after the war, because "druidism"

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Something I am a bit sad taurens never got. Hamuul have glowing eyes because of druidism but it was never added ingame.

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More exactly, strong gold with emerald around the edges.

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And so yeah, followed the "green druidic hue"

tropic trail Dec 16, 2022, 8:52 PM

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Was there anything new for Christmas on the PTR? Beta? Lmfao

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Df

crystal pond Dec 16, 2022, 9:23 PM

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Wait there is azerite in forbidden reach? dracthyr_a1

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 10:28 PM

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So, like do we even know what Azeroth is? What are the chances she’s a cleansed old god or a potentially “cleansed” old god. Weren’t we given a reasoning why the old gods couldn’t be destroyed?

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 10:39 PM

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That was retconned.

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Old Gods would kill Azeroth by dying and that's why they were imprisoned. But that changed somehow and the Old Gods are dead now.

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 10:40 PM

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Ah, I see.

glass flicker Dec 16, 2022, 10:41 PM

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Aman'Thul plucked Y'Shaarj out of Azeroth like the ugly pimple he was. And that's how the Well of Eternity was made.

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Too much swirly magic in one spot, wasn't it?

sharp loom Dec 16, 2022, 11:03 PM

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glass flicker Old Gods would kill Azeroth by dying and that's why they were imprisoned. But th...

What a shitty retcon.

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Instead of going with "they're not truly dead we're not THAT powerful and we have lots of future paths to go with it" they chose "yep we killed them. There is no real justification for it. And that's the old gods gone. Mhm"

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Only y'shaarj as beating heart makes kind of sense

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 11:06 PM

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I mean, tbh there’s some old god shenanigans happening now so like we’re aren’t 100% sure they have truly been killed off completely

sharp loom Dec 16, 2022, 11:06 PM

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Yeah but if that happens, which is better than nothing

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It seems like it's a regret of a retcon

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The idea to even come up with us being powerful enough to kill someone like Yogg is kind of insane

uncut vault Dec 16, 2022, 11:11 PM

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upper pasture So, like do we even know what Azeroth is? What are the chances she’s a cleansed ...

we've talked about it a bit here in the past, I definitely don't think she's an old god lol

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I think she's definitely still a world soul, and one who at present is orderly/titanic

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but it's unlikely that she was always a titan as Aman'thul intends, or that she will always be that going forward

ionic terrace Dec 16, 2022, 11:13 PM

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realms still down, eh

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😦

upper pasture Dec 16, 2022, 11:23 PM

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uncut vault but it's unlikely that she was *always* a titan as Aman'thul intends, or that sh...

Yeah that’s my thought now too, the titans keep secrets from us and now we find out the waters and how they used them. Maybe world souls have the ability to turn into whatever force is most abundant around them?

rain cave Dec 16, 2022, 11:35 PM

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That's what's been implied

short prism Dec 17, 2022, 2:23 AM

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uncut vault I think she's definitely still a world soul, and one who at present is orderly/t...

^^ this for sure. I genuinely think that we'll find out more about the ambiguous nature of world souls at some point, and how each influence changes it to become something else

ionic terrace Dec 17, 2022, 5:10 AM

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that sure is a late night build

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HmmNote

ivory meadow Dec 17, 2022, 5:37 AM

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There's no shot...

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my eyes must be deceiving me that MM hunter just got an Aura nerf?

silent urchin Dec 17, 2022, 5:41 AM

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it's all the ones that were announced for reset earlier

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and yes, that included an MM nerf

dense plover Dec 17, 2022, 5:47 AM

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Omg, a bunch of brew,aster talents had their ranks reduced from 2 to 1

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There’s a new talent where rising Sun kick and blackout kick can summon a healing sphere

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And they massively buffed quick sip from 1% stagger to 5%

silent urchin Dec 17, 2022, 5:48 AM

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ok maybe it was more than just the announced hotfixes

dense plover Dec 17, 2022, 5:49 AM

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There’s some awesome stuff for brewmaster - it looks like they’re actually trying to solve the healing sustain problem

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Moved a bunch of talents too

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Whenever ptr goes online, can someone screenshot the brewmaster tree?

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Oh also, be on the lookout for new art for feral and rogue combo points, death knight runes and monk chi - there’s new art in the files

ivory meadow Dec 17, 2022, 5:53 AM

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👀

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interested on the rogue change!

silent urchin Dec 17, 2022, 5:58 AM

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Doesn't look like there's anything other than the nerfs already announced for next reset

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3% damage nerf across the board, and then a separate nerf of resounding clarity from 3 to 2 charged combo points

tropic trail Dec 17, 2022, 10:16 AM

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is anyone else unable to get onto the ptr

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it just shows all realms as offline for me and strangely the only realm that shows me having toons is showing the number i had on beta not on ptr

plain violet Dec 17, 2022, 10:38 AM

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Actually yes, nobody can get into the PTR.

sonic flame Dec 17, 2022, 1:50 PM

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when is ptr going online for 10.0.5?

plain violet Dec 17, 2022, 2:36 PM

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We don't really know. :(

mighty burrow Dec 17, 2022, 2:48 PM

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Türk var mı acaba?

dense plover Dec 17, 2022, 3:03 PM

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my guess is as soon as they get it stable

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because yesterday was probably our last update until after christmas

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MAYBE we get more builds early next week

deep pawn Dec 17, 2022, 6:11 PM

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They'll be in office til Wednesday probably

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If not Friday cause of RWF

deep pawn Dec 17, 2022, 6:31 PM

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I think they'll get the PTR up before Christmas, especially if this is going live like Jan 17th

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 7:55 PM

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signal bone

What class?

rain cave Dec 17, 2022, 7:58 PM

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iron jungle What class?

As far as we know, all

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 7:59 PM

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Oh good then the wardens don't mind a demon hunter wearing that

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 7:59 PM

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It's a cosmetic set. Everyone can wear it.

rain cave Dec 17, 2022, 8:00 PM

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iron jungle Oh good then the wardens don't mind a demon hunter wearing that

Tbh they'd make great wardens

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:00 PM

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iron jungle Oh good then the wardens don't mind a demon hunter wearing that

What? You know the most iconic night elf weapon is a Lunar Crescent, right? xD

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That's a warden weapon.

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And a warglaive in WoW.

rain cave Dec 17, 2022, 8:00 PM

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They literally have an imprison ability and they need something to do now the legions gone

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:01 PM

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Also they're cool with the wardens now.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:01 PM

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rain cave Tbh they'd make great wardens

Maiev dislike that

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:01 PM

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You forgot that Cordana Felsong was a warden who betrayed everyone to join Gul'dan.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:02 PM

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There is the warden , fel warden and now the Dark Warden

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:02 PM

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And she became a boss in a dungeon. xD

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:03 PM

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Dark Warden is basically warden that died and bring back to life by the Val'kyr to serve Sylvanas,

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:03 PM

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Where did you see any of these "Dark Wardens"?

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Battle for Darkshore

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Oh yeah, Sira Moonwarden.

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So forgettable.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Lyani Shadestalker too

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:05 PM

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Blizzard always finds a way to screw night elves over.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Illidan becomes a villain again after finding out Malfurion went to the Shadowlands.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:07 PM

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Yeah Sylvanas destroyed the tree and bring back two warden as undead night elf , Cordana Felsong betrayed everyone to join Gul'dan. what next? hmmm the nightmare?

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:08 PM

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We already dealt with the Nightmare. Xavius is dead.

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Both him and N'zoth, in fact.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:10 PM

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Oh i forget that the undead float the night elf place with blight plague

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:11 PM

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Not like they haven't rebuilt most of Darkshore. Lorewise, the Alliance took both Arathi and Darkshore back.

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We just need warfronts to be up for repeatable content's sake.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:12 PM

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But why there is the blight still there in my gameplay

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:12 PM

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Because it's the Horde's turn in Lor'danel.

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In the actual lore, Darkshore belongs to the Night Elves again. And the three years timeskip must have had something to do with that plague.

iron jungle Dec 17, 2022, 8:14 PM

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But at least you can go back in time to the past

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I'm going to suffer more when i have to do SL storyline again

glass flicker Dec 17, 2022, 8:28 PM

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Ew, why would you even bother?

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Shadowlands is such a nothing expansion in terms of transmog.

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Well, unless you're Venthyr.

plain violet Dec 17, 2022, 8:30 PM

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Would disagree, I loved weapons, night fae and kyrian aesthetic.

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But agree venthyrs one are neat!

deep pawn Dec 17, 2022, 10:43 PM

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I still need to finish the fae plate

rain cave Dec 17, 2022, 11:43 PM

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glass flicker You forgot that Cordana Felsong was a warden who betrayed everyone to join Gul'd...

I remember at the start of WoD thinking. "Why is she called FELsong? Imagine if she's actually with the legion lol"

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Was quite obvious name forshadowing

sonic flame Dec 18, 2022, 6:55 PM

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im seeing a lot of wowhead ptr posts

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but the gates are still closed

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😠

plain violet Dec 18, 2022, 8:15 PM

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Patience, padawan..

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Patience...

lapis grotto Dec 19, 2022, 12:02 AM

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damn xavius is back

rain cave Dec 19, 2022, 12:23 AM

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wonder if we'll get a new dungeon in 10.1

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raid is the incarnates underground, dungeon is infinite dragonflight, trying to find tyr's disc in the timeways

dense plover Dec 19, 2022, 12:41 AM

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lapis grotto damn xavius is back

?

uncut vault Dec 19, 2022, 1:37 AM

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I expect them to save the full on infinite/bronze shenanigans for the final patch

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Uldaman/leveling was just a taste/way to show it's a factor this xpac

rain cave Dec 19, 2022, 2:08 AM

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just realized that murozond having trouble foreseeing seeing time around the earth dragons (neltharions past, iridikron) is thematically on point

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sand is just broken down rock

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the sands of time is all the parts of time broken down, sifted through

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but these stony boys aren't eroded

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I suppose it kind of implies we're at the end of the timeways, since for sand to form there has to of been time for it to erode

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(jumping anaology here)

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if everything in the timeways, the sands of time, was from before this point and he cannot see further, doesn't that imply we've run out of things to predict?

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we're at the forefront now

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caught up

silent urchin Dec 19, 2022, 2:28 AM

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I don't think so - chromie mentions having issues predicting her own future during the questline

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the implication seems to be something bad involving nozdormu will happen, which makes him pretty blind to it

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and essentially the bronze dragonflight as a whole

rain cave Dec 19, 2022, 3:59 AM

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I mean my analogy kind of applies to the whole dragonflight

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in intent

subtle oar Dec 19, 2022, 4:30 AM

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uncut vault I expect them to save the full on infinite/bronze shenanigans for the final patc...

After seeing the after raid cinematic, I no longer believe infinites/Murozond will be the final boss. It'll be iridikron.

uncut vault Dec 19, 2022, 4:33 AM

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I doubt it, my bet is still that Iridikron what pushed Nozdormu into becoming Murozond, because the futures he sees in the "true timeline" all lead to Iridikron's victory and the destruction of life on the planet

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and given Iridikron's bargains clearly being Old Gods, it would fulfill the decade old lore of them being responsible for Murozond's turn

plain violet Dec 19, 2022, 8:18 AM

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I kinda like how earth-based dragon are tied to old gods, like Neltharion.

deep pawn Dec 19, 2022, 9:26 AM

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I think it's more the void offers its power to a better tool which Nozdormu takes in the heat of the moment to help beat Iridikron

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The old gods know they eventually corrupt Nozdormu before he's even born. They have millennia to plan that.

crystal pond Dec 19, 2022, 12:59 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=189898/fury-of-the-firelord
So
Ragnaros coming back confirmed? dracthyr_lulmao

Wowhead

Fury of the Firelord

This one-handed mace is epic. In the One-Handed Maces category. An item from World of Warcraft: Dragonflight. Always up to date with the latest patch.

languid yoke Dec 19, 2022, 1:31 PM

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did you even read the flavor text?

dense plover Dec 19, 2022, 3:39 PM

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crystal pond https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=189898/fury-of-the-firelord So Ragnaros coming...

It’s a trading post item you goof

crystal pond Dec 19, 2022, 3:43 PM

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Lol why you all so serious?
It was just a joke dracthyr_a1

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:30 AM

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new ptr build

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:30 AM

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damn you beat me

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will we get online servers this time though

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:31 AM

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i think so

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-1005-ptr-development-notes/1448971/4

World of Warcraft Forums

Dragonflight 10.0.5 PTR Development Notes

The Dragonflight 10.0.5 PTR update is now live. Added a few extra notes to the update below: PROFESSIONS CRAFTING UI PANEL Multiple charge cooldowns will now list the time of when next charge will be available Track recipe checkbox is available for recrafting Enchanting items will now display an “Enchantment” prefix text in the Crafted Ite...

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hm nothing really new so i guess just something to fix something?

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looks like a wipe

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but that's ok since copy is here

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lmao it's copying my 70 evoker over as a 58...

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oh, they didn't enable DF, that's why

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:38 AM

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copied my character as 70, but it's locked

ivory meadow Dec 20, 2022, 1:38 AM

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yeah my character is just straight up locked

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:38 AM

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oof

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:38 AM

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well creating a template then to hopefully go look at the trading post

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:38 AM

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yeah

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:39 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/je9sPui.png

Imgur

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seems to be active

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just outside the stockades

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https://i.imgur.com/rYEQRIj.png and the remaining items

Imgur

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most of the items are on display nearby, in addition to the preview window

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although some of the mannequins aren't actually displaying it

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https://i.imgur.com/SxaNQb3.png this one works at least

Imgur

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:42 AM

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they also put a mog npc

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idk if moved or just a new one

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:43 AM

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moved slightly, I think

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it was nearby

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Tigers are indeed a free reward for completing activities https://i.imgur.com/418ReCZ.png

Imgur

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it's very easy to hit 100% here

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https://i.imgur.com/42WLMEQ.png neat, UI has protection for doing stupid things

Imgur

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:52 AM

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the mentioned orc priest npcs

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:52 AM

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hood/cloak/scarf only seem to be pink so I guess the recolours will come slowly

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:53 AM

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bit messed up lol

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dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 1:57 AM

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does the raid bosses objective count old raids?

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:57 AM

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no clue

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 1:57 AM

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there's a separate one for 10 dragonflight raid bosses

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so I assume the 25 raid bosses is everything

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 1:58 AM

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silent urchin there's a separate one for 10 dragonflight raid bosses

gross - so i HAVE to raid?

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thats shitty

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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you don't

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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if i want the monthly reward i do dont i?

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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there's plenty of other things

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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do you not need to complete all of the activities?

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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i don't think so

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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oh dang ok

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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as of now anyway

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 1:59 AM

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i guess people will need to test

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:00 AM

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there is like

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3-400% worth of activities

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:00 AM

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heh

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:00 AM

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at leat

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least*

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:00 AM

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oh dang ok

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:00 AM

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I'm pretty sure you can easily do it with the weird 5% activities that require no current content whatsoever

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:00 AM

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so i can play how i want?

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:01 AM

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although the biggest things are current raids, dungeons and pvp

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there's 20% for doing some of the optional waking shores quests

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:01 AM

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im fine doing dungeons

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:01 AM

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silent urchin there's 20% for doing some of the optional waking shores quests

such as?

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:01 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/PxM7UkP.png uh, all of them I think

Imgur

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but presumably that'll be automatic if you've already done the achievement?

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The siege seems to be

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also 15% for 4k dragonflight rep, 15% for doing group dragon races

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:02 AM

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more

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:03 AM

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silent urchin also 15% for 4k dragonflight rep, 15% for doing group dragon races

ok so yeah - definitely plenty of non-raid or pvp activities

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:03 AM

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there's 30% for hatching of the hippogryphs stuff

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:03 AM

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this seems like a net win for wow

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:03 AM

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uh

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:03 AM

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silent urchin there's 30% for hatching of the hippogryphs stuff

thats genius - really gets people to engage with that stuff

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:03 AM

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Aethas is here?

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seems like the posts get visitors

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:04 AM

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There's something like 75% for love is in the air dailies/toy usage

uncut vault Dec 20, 2022, 2:04 AM

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dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:05 AM

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XD

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i love this

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:05 AM

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oh shit

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:05 AM

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theres so much heart in the newer wow stuff

silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:05 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/PZ7yuB5.png

Imgur

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missed it, but found it in the chat log

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:06 AM

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sorry for the extra stuff

dense plover Dec 20, 2022, 2:06 AM

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cant believe they didnt enable DF

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:06 AM

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silent urchin Dec 20, 2022, 2:07 AM

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Presumably referring to jaina

ionic terrace Dec 20, 2022, 2:07 AM

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yes