They will drop even more bugs than on beta now đ
#beta-ptr-spoilers
crystal pond
ancient jasper
Wait is he saying certain things have been hidden? Is he talking about stuff like The Dreamer part of the game or something else? đ¤
uncut lintel
o-o
silent urchin
Terran does all the cinematics
we typcially never see those until launch
Well, not the fully rendered ones at least
his team also does a lot of the IGC too unless those have been separated out
ancient jasper
Interesting
deep pawn
Probably bug fixes they did on live
dark jewel
abstract ether
I don't think I've seen anyone mention this but I logged in tonight and this was turned on, no new build download required
in fact someone just made an herbalism hat for me... aww how cute
deft carbon
Blizz added new standing (mountspecial) animation (and maybe some new customisation?) for Slitherdrakes!
dense plover
maybe theyre a reward for completing all the endgame 10.0 story and are just encrypted
tropic trail
Okay big thought
Could the infinite dragonflight find a way to give us a Neltharion boss fight?
Their mission is to stop the Titan's construct of the "true timeline" so how better to give a system shock to it than with Deathwing's "return"
uncut vault
I'd honestly prefer that not happen
Dragonflight is much more about his legacy than it is Deathwing himself
tropic trail
Fair
I say Deathwing loosely but really if anyone they'd probably weaponize a what if of Neltharion
Like the End Times dungeon gave us what if fights of Alliance and Horde leaders
uncut vault
Spine of Neltharion, where this time he's our ally and we need to protect his back đ
crystal pond
I hope we will get interactions with him, like a time travel thing, but not getting him back for real
uncut lintel
Blizz added new standing (mountspecial) animation (and maybe some new customisat...
oh shit yesss
errant prairie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdj628W5x_s&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft
Did they introduce the zones music in this video as well? Cause I do hear some Grizzly Hills type of vibes( at 5:50 which i assume would be The Azure Span)
ionic terrace
@dense plover
plain violet
They clearly introduced zone music.
errant prairie
Do zones in the beta have music already? I am unsure if it was already spoken about, havent hopped on the beta in a few days.
plain violet
They do not yet have music in the beta, sadly. :(
worn crown
It doesn't feel like one track, it clearly changes between the different parts (more so than past main titles). Regardless, great music đŻ
In fact, one part is sooo Grizlly Hills 
dense plover
In fact, one part is sooo Grizlly Hills <:heart:231161706712137729>
Thatâs probably azure span
abstract ether
oo, david arkenstone
dense plover
so i think the music is probably in order
after the main theme is PROBABLY the waking shore
and the horn/woodwind stuff is definitely ohnaran plains
ok big scary at around 4:20 is probably primalist stuff
could be nokhud stuff
next one is definitely azure span
mix of uillean pipes (grizzly hills) and arcane-sounding strings
5:30-ish
probably 2 themes - only being zone based around the tuskarr
and the other being the more magic stuff
the strings at 6 min are 100% tuskarr/azure span for SURE
that zone is supposed to remind you of grizzly hills
omg its great
7min is probably blue flight stuff
its very melancholy
grand but somewhat sad - makes sense for a flight thats almost gone
9:20 is new and weird
probably thaldrazzus?
but it doesnt quite fit
oh nvm
definitely thaldrazzus
it has the main theme heavily featured
10:25 heavy brass stuff you were talking about @deep pawn almost definitely either raid or bronze flight music
reminds me a bit of the caverns of time so it could be
deep pawn
Watch that bass chant be the background to Nozdormu's fall
ionic terrace
upper pasture
i just started cleaning D:
plain violet
Another beautiful video by Blizzard. đ
rain cave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBcVVi14zGI
confirms the dragon isles were always isles
for anyone who doubted it
upper pasture
i mean, with a name like dragon isles i'd wonder why someone would think thery weren't always islands
rain cave
yeah
some people theorized it was just called something else, and was only called the dragon isles after it became isles. But I countered that argument by saying "nobody was there SINCE it became isles in that scenario, so why would they rename it?"
so yeah I always assumed they were always islands
upper pasture
i could see if they referred to it as another name, it could be it once was something else but as far as we know it's only been called the dragon isles
rain cave
doesn't one of the lore book things in game say it has another name but everyone refers to it as the dragon isles to the annoyance of the titans or somethin
upper pasture
i thought that was tyrhold?
plain violet
Tyrhold has another name, yes.
Now that will be strange with the centaur lore, as they walked trough the land until they found the dragon isles..
upper pasture
maybe they had a water walking buff?
plain violet
Ahaha, we will say that.. đ
errant prairie
plain violet
đ
ember blaze
nozdormu looking kinda sus
upper pasture
no more than normally
deep pawn
lets go build!
dense plover
Still got a few hours until we expect it tomorrow
deep pawn
usually pretty good about it coming the day they take it down
rain cave
Now that will be strange with the centaur lore, as they walked trough the land u...
I just assumed they got wings from that wild gof
Like they walked on the wind
Figure of speech from mythology
dense plover
THAR SHE BLOWS
10.0.2.46420
if its music it will be big
im initializing so ill know in a sec
deep pawn
woo
errant prairie
ionic terrace
420 blazeit
dense plover
looks like they compressed a ton of the building blp files to try to make valdrakken and other locales run better
uh oh
i got a d3d12 error on launch
only alexstasza on title feels weird
it has sfx too
checking if the new login theme is in
deep pawn
what's that
deep pawn
hmm, is that cinematics?
ionic terrace
yes
dense plover
new title theme isnt in
deep pawn
That looks like the first cinematic from last week?
dense plover
3 new mp3s
all encrypted
and one encrypted modified
so might all be cinematic musics?
deep pawn
yeah, Alex has sound effects
ionic terrace
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
deep pawn
it is
ooo
Use: Infuse your armor with a faint echo of the Storm-Eater's power, unlocking additional effects for certain Vault of the Incarnates class set appearances.
dense plover
the manifestmp3 is updated
so they have all the music file ids
they just arent in the game yet
so next build
deep pawn
well, not the tier itself, but a special effect, interesting
the effect is account wide
dense plover
servers are up
dense plover
hud edit now has everything checked by default
ionic terrace
why do i feel like they will keep the music until launch
dense plover
this is new and awesome
ionic terrace
ooo
dense plover
and it scales
errant prairie
Oh big
dense plover
think this is now renown locked which imo makes sense
it exists for each faction
dunno if this was the case before but the manuscript renown rewards now say EXACTLY what they reward
new tuskarr fishing hole icon
theres WQ ilvl variation
from 340-359
maybe to do with length?
dense plover
looks like they re-added more tracking options maybe?
mailbox and prof trainers and banks and AH can now be untracked
crafting orders enabled on other realms
uncut vault
might be cutscene model textures of alexstrasza? They seem higher def than her regular game one
dense plover
might be cutscene model textures of alexstrasza? They seem higher def than her r...
login screen
dense plover
was valdrakken on the flight map before?
massive changes to the amounts of reagents for recipes ESPECIALLY to artisan mettle when recrafting
theres an icon for first crafting
recrafting might be broken
this room/building in thaldrazzus is weird
upper pasture
I like the title from raid
dense plover
theres a harpy area - had no idea this was here
candid ruin
dense plover
the resonance buff now says which glyph you are detecting
upper pasture
the resonance buff now says which glyph you are detecting
Thatâs nice
dense plover
they changed the bounty targets to not just be an old orc bounty poster
theyre unique-ish
also bounties can be dungeon quests now
uncut vault
ivory meadow
lol
dense plover
thats awesome
ancient jasper
Godwin and Tarenar were both in the Paladin Class Halls
Gidwin*
I.. feel like all 3 were also in the Sand place during BfA but that could be me misremembering
They also followed us through the Dark Portal in to Shadowmoon Valley during WoD
merry tusk
they changed the bounty targets to not just be an old orc bounty poster
how often can these be done? they give 300+ gold every time?
dense plover
how often can these be done? they give 300+ gold every time?
once a week I believe and there are usually a few
the types of quests and rewards vary
merry tusk
ah ok
dense plover
i imagine that as you progress the faction you might also have more bounties available
or as you do relevant side quests?
merry tusk
excited to dive in an no life this stuff in a few weeks
so i can get burnt out and quit đ
tropic trail
How bad are the trash packs in the raid coming up?
I've been raiding in FFXIV and just going straight to the boss has me kinda spoiled lol
silent urchin
afaik raid testing all skips straight to the boss, so we don't really know
But with the new system for stuff like BoEs being on minibosses or something, hopefully it's not too bad
tropic trail
Yeah. I hear the bosses themselves are pretty good
But I'm torn if I wanna go druid or flex between Demon Hunter and Evoker still
One class with all 4 roles, or focus in on 2 spec jobs because of the man/alt spec dynamic
Actually, speaking of, did Blizz confirm a retooling for Guardian Druid?
tropic trail
Honestly... they need to cut down trash pulls to at max 2 wall to wall pull trashes
upper pasture
i mean, 3-5 isn't bad. trash is part of raids. imo
this isn't some sort of boss rush mode
tropic trail
WoW's style of raid. Like I said, FFXIV opts for instances for raid difficult encounters
They had a tier that was like the style I pitched, and I know WoW doesn't do one fight at a time per instance, so I just make the pitch for efficiency.
The meat and potatoes for raids are the bosses correct?
upper pasture
we had the tourny in WotLK honestly it was okay but if every raid was like that it would be boring
tropic trail
I can see how either side can be pros and cons
the adds add (ha) flavor in terms of the denizens of tsaid raid
However, the instance style provides more avenues that aren't just the raid, and has flexibility on where you want a raid boss encounter
Trials being a good example of that for MSQ raids, where raids are a string of big boss fights in their own rights
Hell tbh, I do miss the dungeon dive style WoW has so if the new raid is any good I'd love to check it out
opaque pewter
All I was saying is that it's typically overblown.
WoW has encounters and the RP towards that in the raid experience
You don't just fight mobs for nothing lol
Every room in the dungeon has a lore reason for those that care/take the time to look around
worn crown
People repeat raids over and over and over... RP is interesting the first few times, after it is just a way to slow people down
upper pasture
Just cause itâs your 100th time through doesnât mean itâs not someoneâs first time through.
tropic trail
Okay humor me this then
Should there be an option once you make a full clear to cut right to the boss if everyone has cleared up to that boss PER FIGHT instead of per wing
upper pasture
There are last boss skips now but to skip the trash. Meh, personally idc trash is nice because 1. BoEs (despite it changing now) and 2. It gives time between fights if someone needs to step away to pee or let the dog out or whatever small task arises during raid hours.
Again Iâd side with lore and rp reasons over âit makes the game fasterâ cause it seems the people who âdonât care about the loreâ are also the ones who cry when âthereâs nothing to doâ
If they added it you wouldnât see me turning it on myself but youâd also not see me bitching about it.
plain violet
He really joined just for praising FFXIV then left. ._.
opaque pewter
I think the way people should see it, is that the meat of raiding is not just the boss fight (as expressed up here before) but also the culmination of what leads to it. Like a boss phase that is done once. Some bosses require other ones as part of its progress.
In this game's style, a wing is the meat.
If you drill down too much, then you'd hear people wanting to put the restart state down a boss phase even
plain violet
Agree on that, a raid is a story in itself.
abstract ether
if you have a toddler you learn to appreciate trash a lot, and warlocks
all my love to the warlocks
although some of the trash wipes the whole raid multiple times and that's just womp womp
l2p đ
harsh wedge
I feel like trash pulls are a must in a raid but there are limits, as an example the trash in nyalotha were poorly placed, you had bosses without any in between and then you could go 30-45 minutes on the trash before the next boss
But a raid without any trash would feel really bad in wow
upper pasture
But a raid without any trash would feel really bad in wow
i wouldn't say a raid without trash is bad just if EVERY raid was without trash it would be bad. tourny was fun but very short.
harsh wedge
Short raids without a lot of trash are fine yeah
upper pasture
honestly i think they've found the right balance. it's not like people are out here asking for AQ levels of trash again
opaque pewter
Yeah past raids like AQ was a lot
That said, not all raids are like that. We used to have a variety, like single boss instances (Malygos) or 3 boss raids, but the participation to those were always low relatively. I'm assuming ROI hurt the priority is those being developed (Covid probably put a dent on that for SL too)
dense plover
Single boss raids were to fill content droughts and they really screwed up ilvl scaling
I feel like the best answer for those is not providing a higher ilvl and devaluing the previous raid but instead offering something unique like trinkets or cosmetics
Imagine a one or two boss micro raid at the same ilvl as the end bosses of the current/previous raid, but it only drops trinkets that have new effects as well as transmog and cosmetics like pets and mounts
This way you arenât required to do it, but can have some new unique stuff
And it doesnât devalue the next raid tier or force ilvl inflation
opaque pewter
I think that the attempts in BFA and Legion did take the approach of low or no ilvl upgrade at all, so most people did end up skipping them
uncut vault
I feel like the best answer for those is not providing a higher ilvl and devalui...
I feel like they could realistically do higher ilvl now thanks to the extra tiers
The mini raid can be just a mid-tier jump up rather than either exactly the same or a whole tier up
dense plover
Idk, I donât like partially throwing away recent raid gear
Since you would only have some items
ionic terrace
wonder what this update is for, the only change is manifestmp3
uncut vault
Small raids wouldn't replace much anyways
at most, trinkets and a piece or two given the limited loot pool
I think the bigger question in general, not just for mini raids, is how that would impact M+ folks
Ideally it won't be an issue if they release patches ata good cadence again lol
dense plover
wonder what this update is for, the only change is manifestmp3
More prep to get music ready? Maybe login screen music is implemented?
There were 3 new mp3s and one modified last build
Theyâre all encrypted
dense plover
im checking
nope - still only 2 min
maybe we get another build WITH music this week?
this is new
or at least ive never seen it before
uncut vault
the counter is, but that's been there since alpha haha
usually shows in plains though
dense plover
WQ bonus quest is working
silent urchin
it's been there pretty much the whole time, at various states of actually working properly or not
dense plover
2500 rep tokens - so an entire renown
silent urchin
you kill a bunch of elemental waves then there's a chest that was always kinda disappointing
I think it's weekly cause it's up pretty mcuh all the time
uncut vault
2500 rep tokens - so an entire renown
oh damn, that's honestly really good
dense plover
yeah
uncut vault
getting to choose one is a good choice over the general weekly too IMO, lets you focus on one you like in particular
dense plover
i mean - its once a month right?
uncut vault
Like I know I'm focusing hard onto Valdrakken, in order to get their two chapters
dense plover
how often is the WQ bonus event?
uncut vault
I think its random?
theres a ton of dungeon ones in season 4 right now at least
but the gap between the last two was four months haha
deep pawn
I think week one or two of the expansion is a world quest event
Based on beta calendar
abstract ether
i see your dragon's toe beans
wow dang discord made it look like one of peach's screenshots was the most recent thing said
abstract ether
found this creepy thing on the minimap art. terrain is not actually colored like a man wearing yellow underwear?
young latch
do we know what the darkmoon jester ourfit looks like yet?
it was in the dressing room last time i looked but no visuals
dense plover
it was in the dressing room last time i looked but no visuals
That likely means itâs encrypted
Or it doesnât have a working model
glass flicker
It's more than the Darkmoon Jester set. The pirate themed cosmetics don't have working models yet, either.
Even though people have been begging Blizzard for the Kul Tiran coats, boots, belts, and collars.
crystal pond
found this creepy thing on the minimap art. terrain is not actually colored like...
i saw many ppl reporting this thing, its not just a bug, probably dev did opsie with mini map
abstract ether
so weird. like how do you accidentally plop a naked human
dense plover
so weird. like how do you accidentally plop a naked human
It looks like the broken armor sprite actually
So maybe they were trying to provide a way to move it and it pasted onto the map by accident
Theyâll probably just roll that blp back a patch
errant prairie
vocal badger
As a scribe/inscriptor, you get to wear some cool af glasses
That is one dapper Drakonid
cosmic beacon
pog disc changes
the sins of the many change is huge
and getting the pvp talent as a normal talent is awesome
deep pawn
come on build
deft carbon
i saw many ppl reporting this thing, its not just a bug, probably dev did opsie ...
It's not only on the map :D Just look at this. If you do low distance of view or fly a bit away from mountain you'll see THIS xD
errant prairie
omg
gloomy tangle
Thatâs hilarious
abstract ether
It's not only on the map :D Just look at this. If you do low distance of view or...
whaaat⌠I tried looking for it and couldnât. I was either at the wrong angle to see it or itâs half fixed
deft carbon
whaaat⌠I tried looking for it and couldnât. I was either at the wrong angle to ...
I made those screenshots today :D
abstract ether
lol thatâs great
ember blaze
should we be expecting changes as big as the usual weeklies? đ¤
well i guess dungeons got massively tuned
dense plover
Iâm hoping for music finally
They updated the mp3 manifest twice
It DOES need testing - making sure the right music plays and the right places, reporting where music isnât playing, etc
In older betas (legion and earlier) they had placeholder music from previous expacs but that had some problems where old music was playing even after they added music because stuff wasnât being switched properly
ionic terrace
zzz
uncut vault
Didnt Marlamin say that the actual places for the files are properly there now, there's just no actual music?
so yeah basically all that's needed now is to implement and make sure there's no egregious playing errors
dense plover
so yeah basically all that's needed now is to implement and make sure there's no...
yes - the manifestmp3 has the IDs
they need to add the music, assign the IDs to locations and make sure no locations lack music or have the wrong music or the zone doesnt cut off too quickly
dense plover
so they did another vendor update?
essentially
deep pawn
guessing a chance this is down all night at this point
dense plover
guessing a chance this is down all night at this point
uh
give it 2 hours
then give up
deep pawn
I'm about to go to sleep, 4:30am wake up for me tomorrow
deep pawn
But the not knowing!
It's probably nothing big, just dungeon tuning for the testing with the new HP
uncut vault
presevoker background is a full shot of CGI tyrhold that we didnt see in the original cinematic
grizzled oasis
Yay! Just got the beta invite! đ
uncut vault
Music is in!
ivory meadow
holy shit.
dense plover
comparing to 9.0
hold on
SLs has 616
but it also has like 300 cinematic themes
there is potentially more music coming in a later build
even if this is a RC
track format could be different too
time to explore all the caves and crevices to make sure they play music
cool recrafting is still broken in a fucking RC build
they hid the 9th chapter
candid ruin
think they did that last build https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1587781663932780551
dense plover
some kind of weird storm in ohnara with red lightning
idk why the zone is stormy and red
uncut vault
thats the weather from the dungeon, weird
dense plover
thats the weather from the dungeon, weird
well ive now reported it as a bug
dense plover
its good
its very traditionally inn music
can confirm music is in dungeons too
follow up to "A piece of copper"
OH FUCK FINALLY
right clicking out of valdrakken takes you to thaldrazzus and not the entire continent
dense plover
`ive been reporting it since i got beta
the change to crafting orders is a good thing
instead of the reagent market being up to the crafter its now on the person who wants the thing crafted
also helps keep the reagent market AH active
"Recrafting Orders are now limited to personal and guild orders only. We hope to re-add Public Recrafting Orders in a later patch. This is primarily to protect customers from having their crafts inadvertently lowered in quality" - this was probably necessary unfortunately
uncut vault
valdrakken's music is just... spectacular, goddamn
grizzled oasis
Where is Naledia, the person to start venturing to the Dragon Isles? I don't see them at the Zeplin Tower.
dense plover
Where is Naledia, the person to start venturing to the Dragon Isles? I don't see...
theyre outside of ogrimmar
not inside
the one by the docks
login music is also updated btw
dragon racing has its own music
uncut vault
oh boo, they took away the really cool camera fov changes from dragonriding
felt so much more fast last build
grizzled oasis
theyre outside of ogrimmar
I am at that one, but I think they haven't spawned in since the last restart. Since several other players are asking the same thing in the game.,
grizzled oasis
To me, that would kind of defeat the purpose of beta, or even an RC. Since its not publically, out an RC is basically a last ditch bug fix time, to fix any remaining bugs.
They just open the RC to more people, but not as wide as a public beta, or even publically to do stress testing and have basically more eyes in the pot to say to find any bugs that might have been missed. Either way, already submitted a bug report.
uncut vault
oh hey, it seems like they finally fixed the orgrimmar music bug where it would constantly play vulpera music instead lol
uncut vault
which back mount was weird - staves or polearms?
polearms
hilt all the way over the head usually since BfA
dense plover
ah - i think some of them might be fixed
or at least new ones maybe?
i think they increased artifact turn in rep - if i remember right it was 10 per
its 15 now
look who i just found here
i love the maruukai music
also the red storm passed
so it might be intentional. not a bug
ivory meadow
listening to Ohn'ahran plains music currently and it is quite exquisite, majestic and soothing.
grizzled oasis
theyre outside of ogrimmar
So I figured out the cause, its because if you create a lvl 70 dracthyr on Valdrakan she doesn't spawn if you create on anyother realms, she spsawns if you the lvl 60 dragonflight template.
I was able to access the dragon isles that way.
dense plover
To be hyper specific on the fonky chonky music in the ohnaran plains video - 13 min @ivory meadow
But also anytime the horns do that theme
Itâs so syncopated
When they announced the zones, I figured Ohnaran plains would be my least favorite, but I think itâs going to be a surprise favorite or near favorite for a LOT of people, especially now that we have the kickass music
ivory meadow
To be hyper specific on the fonky chonky music in the ohnaran plains video - 13 ...
đ ohhhh I see what you mean by that now.
that is a good section, wtf?
plain violet
Music? Oh yes, I have to heard them all.
What would be the timestamp for the dracthyr music?
abstract ether
I made those screenshots today :D
he's gone!
plain violet
I listened to some. Clearly Ohn'arans plains music is great.
The dracthyr one is.. strange, I think we will get used to it.
deft carbon
he's gone!
Yay! there was another one somewhere, saw it in Twitter yesterday
dense plover
I listened to some. Clearly Ohn'arans plains music is great.
I legit think ohnaran plains is the silent killer of the expac and people are going to be surprised to have it as their favorite or second favorite zone
plain violet
I legit think ohnaran plains is the silent killer of the expac and people are go...
I agree on that. Well, I am all for natural places in general, plains, greenies.. And from the beta, the place was gorgeous to walk on. With the music? Even better!
And the little green dragon outpost/city is adorable.
humble cedar
how do i get max character on beta, the only template i have is dragonlfight lvl up
deep pawn
Valdrakken has those
dense plover
Thereâs a term/phrase to describe what Iâm thinking of regarding Ohnaran plains I just donât remember it. It has to do with being an unexpected success or a secret success or something. Does anyone know what that phrase might be?
deep pawn
Serendipity?
dense plover
No - itâs like a phrase to describe a thing people donât think theyâre going to like but then probably will or they do
Got it
Dark horse
Ohnaran plains is the dark horse of Dragonflight
I think a ton of people are going to find the zone beautiful and the music fantastic when they expect to go in and have it be their least favorite
I honestly like all the zones. Thaldrazzus feels weird at first, but especially for endgame itâs awesome because you are flying around and up and down all the stuff
crystal pond
azure span imo have best music
dense plover
Itâs a really close competition
crystal pond
it all depends on the theme: azure span has relax music, while plains have more martial(?) motives
abstract ether
having players be able to fly right away had a strong effect on zone design.
very little is just backdrop where players arenât meant to tread
silent urchin
I feel like they did still design things for the possibility it was all ground mount only, at least while leveling
but they definitely also expected flying at least at max level from the start
vocal badger
Anyone got the engine of innovation quest to work? I got it once on Valdrakken but that was only once, the second trial of tyr quest didnt show up even after the weekly reset, a frnd who was on Koranos or on Tyrhold mentioned having several of those sparks and having done all the trials. Is it needed to complete all the chapeters? or only the base zone campaigsn
dense plover
Anyone got the engine of innovation quest to work? I got it once on Valdrakken b...
Itâs sorta not working
Think itâs intentional since you probably need to do the raid once or something and you canât right now
deep pawn
Mrpeach, how do you think they handle season jumps this expansion. Let season 2 feel less of a power jump early or make the gap bigger
upper pasture
How are people complaining about how we are getting catalyst charges? Am I missing something? It seems pretty simple do X get a charge on all current and future characters. How is that not alt friendly
silent urchin
I think the first info sounded weird, but it seems fine now with the clarification
Probably a reading comprehension issue if people are still mad
upper pasture
And the kicker is itâs not 1 charge on the account but a charge for each character
dense plover
I think the only problem is 6 weeks until first charge
Imo 4 is plenty
Maybe stagger the start if theyâre worried - IE week 3, 5,6,7
dense plover
Mrpeach, how do you think they handle season jumps this expansion. Let season 2 ...
No idea
I havenât done a M0 or higher since Legion
Havenât had enough time
upper pasture
Yeah the month and a half wait is gonna suck
deep pawn
I'm already planning on pug leading massive normals where I'm the only one who can use my token
deep pawn
blizzard dumb enough to think group loot is healthy for the game, why not use it.
upper pasture
i dont see why anyone is upset with this "new" system. it's the old loot system. my only thing is they need to make it a smart loot system that wont drop loot for classes not there and i'd said it's about a perfect as it can be. of course you'll always have people trying to weigh the odds in their favor
gloomy tangle
Because it was nice to set your loot spec to target items and not feel bad for rolling need against people for it. For example if I run as ret, but want a 1h for tanking or transmog
upper pasture
and if you want to make a pug group where you exclude 4 classes just cause you want to ensure you're token if it drops then be my guest. i'm sure the other classes wont mind when they nearly have double the normal amount of their token classes.
upper pasture
you'll still taking away loot from people who "need" it anyways. and can't you still set your loot spec in this new system too.
gloomy tangle
Ah yeah their "need" is greater than my "need" I guess
deep pawn
I mean people tolerated reserved items in the past if it means someone else does the work of leading the raid and organizing it
livid walrus
oh?!
clear apex
Idk if I want to actually play through or not đ
Finished the dracthyr zone
Then again it'll be three weeks or so for the expansion to actually come out and I don't want to wait
livid walrus
what is this?
something that appeared in adventure journal
candid ruin
ionic terrace
primal stormling
uncut lintel
ruined
ionic terrace
lmao
uncut lintel
why not make it smmol and cute like icon 
ionic terrace
crystal pond
stood in a fire achievement when
elder otter
ptr build?
deep pawn
ah
dense plover
cosmetic unlocks have their own toast style
plain violet
Don't seem to be a dracthyr, there is no wings, that's strange.
The name was "Hessetiash"
uncut vault
That's a drakonid skeleton, weird
maybe just added before they put in the dracthyr skeleton
and then never updated
plain violet
That could be, I maybe think of a tarasek, I mean.. no mention of Neltharion mental order, or magic they could have used...
First time I discovered this item and treasure, this morning.
And Tarasek did pillage many things.
dense plover
for relevance to a MUCH earlier post - fog comes and goes. sometimes you can see VERY far in the zone
the opposite in azure span
plain violet
Oh, effectively! That play really much on the feeling. O_o
dense plover
i love the new renown rep
earning rep feels legit good
because you get rewards every 2500 instead of only at major levels
upper pasture
yeah, it's prolly mostly because of the pacing instead of having to wait days/weeks so see rewards you get them faster and more consistently
silent urchin
Yeah, And it seems like there's no hard cap on rep so you can grind the crappy handins if you really want
dense plover
handins, activities
etc
theres still always something even if its slow or mediocre
plus dungeon quests give 1/4 of a rep level so thats good too
uncut lintel
is dragonflight out yet
silent urchin
yes we've all been playing for weeks we just didn't tell you
uncut lintel
D:
upper pasture
is dragonflight out yet
wdym it's been out for almost a year its 2023
upper pasture
it happens to the best of us
uncut vault
@dense plover does the music in valdrakken shift way too much for you too
every time you enter a minute little subspace or building, the track restarts lol
dense plover
every time you enter a minute little subspace or building, the track restarts lo...
do you have loop music on?
also are you going into inns or the tower?
loop music is bad for testing that kind of thing
generally though, yes
the sub areas shouldnt have separate music and they do
i think a forum post along with bug reports make sense
glad niche
Does devastation have self heal capability? I cant play the beta so Im a little nervous its getting single target nerfs and AoE buffs. For my sometimes very unawares playstyle, that just sounds like a recipe for accidently becoming overwhelmed
deep pawn
They have living flame, emerald blossom and can talent into verdant embrace which you can use on yourself
glad niche
nodnod oki. Thanks! Idk if i'll need all that or not considering I cant test it till later on but comforting to know the options are there
For all I know it may be disgustingly good aoes
dense plover
They have living flame, emerald blossom and can talent into verdant embrace whic...
theres also the one that heals when you cure a bleed/other negative effect
cauterizing flame
haughty houndBOT
Cauterizing Flame - https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=374251/cauterizing-flame - PTR 10.0.0
dense plover
^this guy
its niche but strong
and can get rid of curse, disease, and bleed which every time ive run into during dragonflight are brutal af
crimson jasper
dont forget their other defensives in the form of Obsidian scales and renewing blaze
as well as rescue x twin guardian, even if it's more situational but hey it exists
dense plover
as well as rescue x twin guardian, even if it's more situational but hey it exis...
you cant use that solo though
haughty houndBOT
Twin Guardian - https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=370888/twin-guardian - PTR 10.0.0
dense plover
i guess that isnt BAD
but for minimum 2 talents its not great
theres stuff to buff living flame thats better
glad niche
Nah my concern was open world moreso
if im running a dps in dungeons I learn how long to wait for tank to get aggro before pulling out the nukes
I only know that from alpha builds watching bellular play, mob density was pretty high.
Im aware this doesnt automatically mean diddly for live, they may very well be trimmed down. Moreso bellular died semi often due to losing track of his pulls as well as area awareness.
crimson jasper
when did you watch bell play?
cause they did get very good definsive buffs
compared to well
having garbage xD
crimson jasper
theres stuff to buff living flame thats better
problem is living flame wont safe you if you would get one shot basically xd
also you generally got enoughg points to take it if needed
glad niche
Was during alpha. As stated. Which yeah, Im not aware of ALL the class changes its gone through. Which is why I figured Id ask in here about it. Where others can play its current build lol
crimson jasper
yea nah since alpha there was a lot of change
dense plover
problem is living flame wont safe you if you would get one shot basically xd
most things wont?
crimson jasper
most things wont?
did you see the funky ruby life pool bursts of dmg? xD
glad niche
I mostly play solo open world. On an ele sham no less.
cosmic beacon
ruby life pools is a nasty dungeon
glad niche
what an awful emote
dense plover
solo open world you could play a potato and be fine
definitely not accurate
crimson jasper
even with it, you gotta be pretty bad to have anything challenging in the open world
and I am not talking haha I pull 100 mobs for fun then die
if you dont play like a troglodoid you probably wont die
dense plover
it definitely depends
crimson jasper
still ofc some classes are "better" than others
dense plover
for example - the wrathion endgame area?
crimson jasper
just take hunter or lock
dense plover
those mobs are fucking trucks
theyre the equivalent of 3 mobs in HP and dmg - but they can be soloed with the right build
its just tough
silent urchin
The ones that get a buff that makes them immune to damage as long as they keep hitting are very funny
so many people who don't realise that
crimson jasper
well thats generally where grps come in for efficiency but if youd want to stay solo then ok I can agree, they are "dangerous"
silent urchin
And yeah, it's designed as a group area. I could solo it very easily as a tank, even large packs
dense plover
theyre so different that the skills dont carry over
silent urchin
It's mostly just annoying cause they have heals and absorbs and stuff
dense plover
^^^
crimson jasper
yea well tanks is like
silent urchin
admittedly I've not tried post the 40% buff
crimson jasper
solo everything xD
dense plover
^^^^one of the reasons i main brewmaster
crimson jasper
especially blood dk for me personally
silent urchin
blood dk in particular felt like it was already at end of expansion power levels
I don't even know where the healing comes from
dense plover
especially blood dk for me personally
thats because of the ridiculous self heals
the axe
crimson jasper
yeap
dense plover
and worms if you took those
crimson jasper
I like classes like that
dense plover
and synergy with bone shield
cosmic beacon
all tanks are pretty self sufficient
silent urchin
Didn't have worms, and death strike didn't even feel needed
cosmic beacon
funnily enough brew without their tier has the hardest time 
dense plover
brewmaster in DF has more self healing and you can really buff expel harm which helps a ton
silent urchin
there's just tons and tons of passive stuff
I'm sure higher level M+ will be humbling
But that 40% buff to hp/mob damage definitely felt needed
crimson jasper
yea i am glad they did amp it up
silent urchin
Oh they added alexstrasza flapping about the login screen
Missed that happening, always felt like it needed dragons
glad niche
Im worried im gonna be crap at evoker tbh lmao
just the way its casts work look very clunky compared to what Im used to
dense plover
just the way its casts work look very clunky compared to what Im used to
it doesnt feel clunky
but it definitely has a high skill ceiling
knowing when to cast what is hard
silent urchin
It didn't feel that smooth with higher latency
I don't really like how the max empower isn't a full cast
so you still are meant to cut it off early
deep pawn
The extra time is to let you aim it a bit before firing
silent urchin
Are all the faction questlines still hidden?
glad niche
The extra time is to let you aim it a bit before firing
Im hoping I can macro this somehow. Having to activate then aim is what im apprehensive over. My trex vision often looses my mouse.
crimson jasper
you have a giant green target cone coming from your character
no need for your mouse in that case
only thing to actually place with your mouse is firestorm if you take it
glad niche
nodnod tyty
uncut vault
looks like the ohnahran plains weather might have been fixed? using the proper storm instead of the dungeon one
dense plover
looks like the ohnahran plains weather might have been fixed? using the proper s...
awww
dungeon one was cool
still wild tho
ivory meadow
gonna have some longer thoughts and in-depth stuff about this but: Preservation is fucking awesome.
uncut vault
Yeah they did a great job with preservation, it can definitely be frustrating trying to corral your party members like sheep, but it feels so good when you pull things off
ivory meadow
Alright.
sonic flame
quick question: eventually, do they put the full dragonflight xpac into ptr?
atm ptr has sl into chromie time and whatnot, but doesn't have df
upper pasture
prolly when they fulling release DF and need to test 10.1 stuff you'll get free DF on ptr
tropic trail
Will Preservation Evoker have a DPS healer build like the fist weaving/discipline priests?
ivory meadow
so first thing; My Preservation gameplay started extremely rough. Lots of abilities weren't being used right or to their full potential; kept using Reversion as just a simple passive healing to keep on tank and not thinking about other scenarios to apply it to or using Echo to spread out its effectiveness along with other abilities. Speaking of Echo; much like Reversion, was only using on the tank to double up on heals and nothing else and basically was underplaying the value of Echo by a severe degree. A couple of lost keystones and I was kicked from a group mid-dungeon, which was the wake-up call to go skim a guide even though that should've been the first thing I did...
One quick skim at how Echo worked and applying the simple concept of... just use Echo on another target and that's when the neurons started firing off and the value of my Preservation gameplay started to rise exponentially as I started to theorycraft on Echo's versatility. Echo alone sets Preservation apart from pretty much every single healing spec in the game in my opinion; the ability to copy most of your helpful spells onto yourself and/or allies unlocks a level of creativity that can be quite deep and intricate especially when paired with certain talents.
ivory meadow
However, due to basically most spells being designed around Echo as a tradeoff, Preservation has no click-and-solve/emergency burst spells even Rewind, a 5-min cd spell, doesn't suffice as an emergency spell in my eyes but given my playtime with Preservation, I kind of wouldn't have it any other way; Preservation is a spec built on creativity and past input values, not having solution-based spells and/or spells built around priority. It's a spec that in comparison to other healing spec is much more loose and fluid with its spellweaving and crafting; You have to craft the result you want rather than the game providing a way out of the situation. The spec rewards you for not just thinking ahead, but how creatively you have thought when the moment comes.
Yes, this does mean that Preservation is a spec largely determined by player skill much more than other specs as your spells alone, isolated and even paired with other spells will not carry you. When learning how to combine spells with things like Echo, Verdant Embrace, Reversion, and Stasis with talent set-ups is when the extremely fun part of the spec will really start to unlock.
cosmic beacon
Will Preservation Evoker have a DPS healer build like the fist weaving/disciplin...
It has strong damage that you can easily weave in and is a part of your healing rotation especially with tier
Tier makes living flame actually hit very hard and combined well with empowered spells gives strong aoe damage granted ur specced into the right talents
I was hitting 100+k crits without even good gear in beta keys
Tip the scales also Is a nice cd you can use to damage or panic heal
worn ingot
However, due to basically most spells being designed around Echo as a tradeoff, ...
This sounds awesome. Any specific advice for learning the spec?
cosmic beacon
Checking the evoker discord wouldnât be a bad shout
Got most my talent builds from there but learning it I kinda just went into 10-15s on the beta and just played around with it
cosmic beacon
However, due to basically most spells being designed around Echo as a tradeoff, ...
Though Iâd disagree that evoker hasnât got emergency burst healing
Tip the scales into emerald breath
Rewind feels very strong during high spikes of damage and saved my group countless times
Emerald communion is a life saver granted ur entire group isnât about to die
And their tier set procs paired with specific passives from empowered spells gives living flame very strong burst aoe
Main issue I have with pres is their kinda weak personal defensives tho that could just be my choice of talents effecting that
ivory meadow
oops
ivory meadow
This sounds awesome. Any specific advice for learning the spec?
I would say one of the most important things when learning how to use Echo is apply the concept of +1 meaning that when you cast one Echo for example onto a target, the max targets that you can apply the spell that you want to use is two because you can cast the spell on a non-echo target and let Echo take care of the rest.
pulsar minnow
Hey guys not to interrupt but it appears Dragonflight Collector's Editions are shipping
Mine just arrived today and they never gave any notice that it had shipped
Looking through the artbook now- it also reveals Ysera's new dragon model
The book is also way better than the Shadowlands Art Book. It's got over 200 pages to it
It also reveals Tyr's appearance
dense plover
Pictures plz
silent urchin
I think they started going out last week
pulsar minnow
I think they started going out last week
Ah. I'm very confused personally because they sent me an email that they'd provide shipping info in the coming weeks but then never did
So it was a bit of a shock having it arrive
proud pier
Sick lava looking dragon
jade basalt
The artbook also erroneously used an artwork of Neltharion for Wrathion
Struggled to take a pic with the angle but https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864896454492422195/1039234283522510858/IMG_8839.jpg
And the layout used put Kalecgos (top) and Malygos (bottom) when the text on the right was Malygos (top) and Kalecgos (bottom). I suspect that's why they somehow ended up with Kalecgos' model being used for Malygos in Legacies, instead of Malygos being depicted as.. himself. They must've thought that top was Malygos, when it was Kalecgos.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/406282965438562314/1037762768339750942/unknown.png (not my screenshot this one)
rain cave
I'm surprised at how often blizz missmatch these dragons
especially kalecgos and malygos
uncut vault
The art for the aspects is def for the Legacies cinematics first and foremost
both dragon and visage forms are done in that style and copied nearly 1-1 into them
main exception is Wrathion's, which are way higher quality
uncut lintel
@rain cave its because they cant see well in a blizzard
white quartz
Is there by chance any forum where photos from the art book would be? Curious to see more as I love the aesthetic for the new expansion
jade basalt
@uncut vault Another "switcharoo" that happened in the artbook is the two sets on the right here https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/382695585528152064/1039267261816516718/7A9D9381-BA62-443E-8A8C-78852E4AED49.jpg
The top, PvP armor sets are supposed to be the upgraded/draconic versions of the bottom, questing sets
But Cloth and Mail are not in the right places
uncut vault
man, seeing the plate leveling makes me sad that it's just spandex in game lol
jade basalt
Everything really should be 3D Collections at this point. Or better, new geosets. Like an "open robe" geoset and a "skirt" geoset etc. so that they don't have to re-invent the skirt everytime they want a set to use a 3D skirt.
silent urchin
It does have some 3D, but it was never gonna have as much as actual high level sets
dense plover
Everything really should be 3D Collections at this point. Or better, new geosets...
they should but i understand they arent probably as a mix of dev time and actual game engine limits
i think if everyone in a city had 3d armor the game might explode
the geosets are pretty inefficient engine-wise
they should hire more 3d modelers and such to make more 3d armor though
jade basalt
Hmm don't know, most players tend to rock modern, PvP or raid tier armor, and less vanilla spandex gear
dense plover
Hmm don't know, most players tend to rock modern, PvP or raid tier armor, and le...
but even with fancy armor, certain pieces are usually flat
cloaks, boots (ish), gloves (ish), chest
most pants
jade basalt
Oh I don't necessarily mean entirely 3D, more like raid tier-level.
Like bracers being painted on is probably not a big deal. But Cloth sets always being leggings and socks is a bit of a let down.
dense plover
at this point i have to assume the reason is engine based
because theyve hired more people
or maybe they dont see it as worthwhile since they expect everyone to use endgame gear?
the dungeon/renown sets are mainly 3d i think?
or at least nice looking
jade basalt
The thing is it's not easy to do so, it's a bit of a waste in fact, because the 3D Collections system is not re-usable. Or, actually, technically, it is.. but for some reason it never seems to be re-used, so guessing there must be some difficulty there.
For instance, an artist spent a certain amount of time and effort to make this gorgeous, chain mail skirt thing for the Forsaken Mail armor set. https://i.imgur.com/U8ztYt8.jpeg
But now, the next time you want a set to have skirt-like pants, well they have to build that new one from scratch. So all that time and effort, was just a one time thing, for one single piece of clothing. Collections aren't re-used.
Geosets are re-usable. That's why they're used everywhere. Every set uses base geosets. Problem is basically all the geosets are over 15 years old and look like spandex. And they're severely lacking in the diversity area.
If they made a bunch more, like a "skirt" geoset, an "open robes" geoset, etc. then more sets could use skirts. It wouldn't be a re-invent the wheel situation, they'd just use what's already available.
And then you could use Collections to customize them further so that they aren't all the same. Like how Chest pieces have various 3D plates or cowls or neck things or whatever on them, even though underneath they all use the same flat chest geoset.
dense plover
so the problem isnt the actual modelling
jade basalt
More base geosets. And then use Collections to fine tune details, add specific customization, etc. This is what Collections should be used for.
Instead, we're making entire sets solely out of Collections. Which is impressive, they pushed the Collections tech really far and made some really cool stuff like this Forsaken set. But it will probably never be used again. And then we end up with basic sets that look like you're wearing one giant sock over your entire body.
dense plover
its the lack of new geosets
jade basalt
Essentially, imo
Like imagine a new robe geoset that would look like this, splitting in half mid-waist- "open robe" vibe. https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1059813.jpg
Then you could just have all the sets you want use that geoset. Instead of all cloth chests being the same flat spandex thing. And if you want one set in particular to be a little different, then you could use Collections to, dunno, strap armor plates on the sides of it, add a book, add a cowl, whatever.
fading oasis
is evoker on the ptr yet
sonic flame
little question
( i know the exp would be low and it would be inconvenient and whatnot, just reply )
do we get exp in non DF content in 60-70 range if we party sync and stay behind?
say, bfa
this should happen normally but I remember early in SL it was deactivated
if someone could test would be nice
errant prairie
is evoker on the ptr yet
Evoker wont be on the PTR. It'll be out in 8 days in the live game
rain cave
wonder if they'd ever consider doing armour like the mythic BRF/WoD elite PvP stuff again
except, it transforms when you enter combat
imagine a pretty relaxed set, like that kalecgos one, but when you enter combat it transforms into a combat set
tbf even allowing in and out of combat transmog with an effect to transition between the two would be cool
cosmic beacon
wonder if they'd ever consider doing armour like the mythic BRF/WoD elite PvP st...
God I wish, the elite sets from s1 wod were some of the best sets in the game, especially warriors
crimson jasper
awesome
crystal pond
So
Neltharion was corrupted for 20k years.....?
dense plover
So
Neltharion was corrupted for 20k years.....?
Yeah he was already hearing whispers before he became an aspect
crystal pond
Bruh
I knew that he was hearing the whispers, but I didnt think that he falled for it way long before war of the ancients
And the oath stone wasnt broken until wota...
Alright im confused
upper pasture
just because he accepted help from the olds then doesn't mean he was fully corrupted in that moment. i'm assuming it's one of those deals where its "I'll help you now and you'll pay me back later" type thing
deep pawn
So basically we're eventually going to accept the voids help to beat something, probably the new Army of the Light and after it's finding a way out of the deal.
The void loves willing acceptance
crystal pond
just because he accepted help from the olds then doesn't mean he was fully corru...
Your quote reminded me of that quest when nzoth forced us into his cult
Well void is not a bad thing
Old gods was
dense plover
So
Titan infinity gauntlet
Not crazy for there to be more artifacts
But I think we can expect to see it again
crystal pond
Well
There is nelthazan ruins where its seems Neltharion trying to create artifact similar to this gauntlet
And its looks like some void stuff here as well
dense plover
Well
There is nelthazan ruins where its seems Neltharion trying to create artifa...
Where
I havenât seen anything like that
Is it in one of the dungeons?
uncut vault
It's one of the subzones in Ohnahran Plains
the northern ruins area
it's one of his outposts, you find a Locus there made by Neltharion that triggers that serving instinct within the dracthyr and drakonids
there's actually a kind of crazy plot point in it for dracthyr players
the nightborne that you quest with makes you a permanent mana addict in order to override the urges the Locus pushes onto you
it's basically one big hint for the underground zone stuff, setting up that Neltharion was experimenting with a replacement for the gauntlet
plain violet
it's basically one big hint for the underground zone stuff, setting up that Nelt...
With the gauntlet being datamined for the game, with Neltharion model having the gauntlet and the Final Command quest being encrypted... I wonder if dracthyr content was not just locked behind launch for us to discover.
Like "immersive" flashbacks, or at least some elements of it.
uncut vault
there were some side quest stories with Emberthal in early beta that werent testable and then later got hidden/removed, so who knows
dense plover
it's basically one big hint for the underground zone stuff, setting up that Nelt...
So the underground zone should have old god and Neltharion experiment stuff?
Honestly a big mix of titan and black wing lair type stuff would be pretty sick
Especially because there is a very limited amount of black dragon aesthetic in Waking Shores
Kinda implies they plan to use that aesthetic later
uncut vault
I think it'll probably have those alternate dwarves as well
which puts a good bit of diversity for the potential area
dense plover
Sounds fun
Very reminiscent of wrath
I liked the dwarf stuff that wasnât iron forge
I would love another dwarf alternative
Would love to see more of the Refti though AFAICT, they may nearly all be dead
silent urchin
I kinda want dwarf stuff that doesn't have the weird vanilla thing where all the edges were crooked as hell to make it "cartoony"
uncut vault
Would love to see more of the Refti though AFAICT, they may nearly all be dead
that was just the specific group near the reservoir I think
new Uldaman establishes that there are refti elsewhere in undiscovered titan facilities
dense plover
Oh
Cool
Theyâre weird
I have to imagine theyâre based on the sethrakk. They say theyâre based on dragons but the sethrakk are a native azerothian race
silent urchin
model/skeleton wise, seems so
but if we used that logic everywhere, the lore would be weird
well, weirder
jade basalt
Sethrak could be refti who suffered the curse of flesh
deep pawn
no build today. đŚ
candid ruin
as god intended 
(with addon)
dense plover
as god intended <:FeelsStrongMan:926546547112570970> (with addon)
they already have the sprites back
theyre likely going to be back in the base game eventually
candid ruin
theyre likely going to be back in the base game eventually
I sure hope so 
candid ruin
would Disintegrate animation for evokers not showing when one shotting a critter be a bug? 
How I would expect it to always go
errant prairie
This has happened to me on normal mobs. My dracthyr just stands there staring but the damage is going out. Havent had it happened in a bit though so hopefully they fixed that
tropic trail
How strong is Devastation Evoker??
I've heard amazing double cast potential for Preservation but idk what's been said about the new ranged DPS
candid ruin
This has happened to me on normal mobs. My dracthyr just stands there staring bu...
oof- hope they fix that đ
ember blaze
that can happen with channeled spells, even on live iirc
if you spam it enough, sometimes the animation doesnt show
dense plover
its just a bug with server-client communication
"10.0.2.46479" - is now on wowlivetest
so theyre prepping to push 10.0.2 for the 15th im assuming
crystal pond
I hope they give ebyssian uniq horns atleast for his model 
Oh and also dracthyr Starting cutscene
glass flicker
Oh, you poor soul.
Haven't you noticed no male dragons have horns in their Visage form?
Only females do.
crystal pond
Haven't you noticed no male dragons have horns in their Visage form?
I mean about his dragon model
glass flicker
Oh. That's fair.
crystal pond
He is first dragon that using tauren visage so he is already uniq
But in cutscenes it Will be so weird if There Will be ebyssian, sabellian and other Black dragons standing next to each others
wet lark
So basically we're eventually going to accept the voids help to beat something, ...
Nightborne and Void Elf Demon Hunters to fight the Light
I'm really disappointed with how Shadowlands turned out. I was hoping for something closer to the Timewalking event with the Obsidian Worldbreaker mount where we went back and got to kill old bosses with their old mechanics
cosmic beacon
Expect that was a milestone anniversary
We will probably get another proper anniversary in like 2 years, iirc besides every 5 years thereâs been no significant anniversary event
twilit lantern
Question; what's happens with an evoker for toy having race or sex model change ? https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=1973/orb-of-deception#comments
digital estuary
Query if anybody knows: Will Shadowlands be coming part of Chromies thing for 1-60 like BoA and earlier expansions are?
digital estuary
ah thanks. Sorry I haven't been keeping up on the News. and that was about all I was curious about till DF drops
cosmic beacon
If Iâm not mistaken it comes with df release or prepatch 
dense plover
1-60 chromie time comes on the 15th. Shadowlands is added to chromie time on the 28th
cosmic beacon
Ty for clarification
tropic trail
I wonder why Evoker never got a battle rez?
It seems tailor made for it in lore theory
plain violet
Gameplay balance, battle rez is powerful.
tropic trail
Yeah, Paladins are getting one
plain violet
Yeah, that could be understandable for them. Us.. we already have a lust and multiple raid utility.
tropic trail
Fascinating they gave it to a classic versus the newbie. Probably didn't want to give it too many toys
plain violet
That would be to avoid being a "must have". ^^'
I mean, lorewise, dracthyrs are pretty much "I have all the powers"
But giving them all the powers would not be balanced.
tropic trail
I'm torn if I want to play Preservation or Discipline for my healer. I love damage/healing but echo may as well make Pres it's own green DPS
errant prairie
Could always try to do both. Thankfully there arent too many grindy stuff this expac. Just gear it and its ready basically
tropic trail
Also I'm fascinated by the midrange cast distance. Makes it feel like you can abuse melee distancing if you need to
Not really like a Red Mage from FFXIV but kind of does the melee/ranged gimmick by meeting the spells in the middle. Does that make sense?
plain violet
It does. :)
I think I will play Devastation, mainly the one I played during beta. But it takes.. time, to get used to it.
(Red Mage was amazing)
tropic trail
Alright then!
I'll settle with Demon Hunter for Horde and Evoker for Alliance
May as well have a main on each faction, plus cross faction raiding is a huge reason I'm totally fine with branching out from druid
ancient jasper
@twilit lantern From what I've seen it just randomly turns you in to a member of the opposite faction
crystal pond
Yeah, Paladins are getting one
Wasnt paladins able to rez already?
upper pasture
not battle rez
flint night
Not related to the game itself but just about a beta item page on wowhead - the icon for Lustrous Scaled Hide is broken
Dunno who to tell that to, just wanted to let y'all wowhead staff know đ
upper pasture
flint night
Thank you, did not see that
upper pasture
np đ
twilit lantern
<@182055659167154177> From what I've seen it just randomly turns you in to a mem...
Lame they didnât add the case of a new race
deep pawn
Any hints of a build or do we think it's just hotfixes from here on
plain violet
Not that I have seen.
deep pawn
hmm, world server issues though
molten niche
they need to increase the drop rate of the pre patch currency. or something cuz 440 to max 1 toon. and it takes forever to get unles the quest is repeatable
opaque pewter
Lame they didnât add the case of a new race
It's the first time we get only one race. It's an elegant solution
Hmm actually second time. I'm guessing that's how Pandaren works too?
deep pawn
Confirmation of a launch cinematic. Guess that is the second one in the game
plain violet
So it seem...
deep pawn
Excited for more cinematics regardless
dense plover
âSilver dragon portrait border added back for rare elite mobs.
The Dungeon Journal now indicates if a loot drop is very rare.
Profession Trainers added back to the minimap filters.â
These are all good
Also I told you they were bringing it back
candid ruin
hmm but only on rare elite and not just rares
livid walrus
@dense plover indeed there is a gold coin quest đ
plain violet
A really good patchnote.
And god, some more DPS to bears is welcome.
Maul was really to weak for such a rage dump.
dense plover
hmm but only on rare elite and not just rares
Itâs a way to truly different between the two when previously it was just wings
deep pawn
Maul was really to weak for such a rage dump.
It's still a net nerf
Bear is losing access to rend and tear and 10% moonfire damage
plain violet
The 10% for moonfire hurt, yeah...
deep pawn
Rend and tear out of reach is another 6%
plain violet
I rarely used rend and tear but you're right it was useful...
In general, guardian druid would need some rework, but I imagine that will happen after launch.
opaque pewter
hmm but only on rare elite and not just rares
I think it's better that way. The dragon border always felt like it was meant for big threat
silent urchin
there are a lot of "rare" mobs, afaik
dense plover
New build - some lua changes and female djaradin animation changes
Nothing significant clientside
candid ruin
dense plover
My guess is the db2 changes implement the silver dragon change
The lua changes appear to mainly be replacing specific calls with general CVar calls instead
Actually theyâre specifically about colorblind mode
Except for the shop lua changes
Idk what those are for
XML changes are minor ui changes to make sure certain things like the talking head frame and extra ability button appear on top of other stuff and canât get stuck underneath other ui elements
Thatâs what I can glean from my phone
dense plover
the name
dense plover
so, end of normal raid?
think it was the weekly rep quest displaying in the wrong location
molten niche
anyone know the timer rotation on the invasions in the ptr?
uncut vault
New build - some lua changes and female djaradin animation changes
Hopefully fixes their body feature bug lol
candid ruin
oh.. they added envoker to ptr??
ancient jasper
And here I thought certain people said it'd never be added to the PTR.. Heh
upper pasture
I wouldnât have said never just not until DF was live would have been my guess
ember blaze
Spiritbloom could use a rework
errant prairie
Yeeeh guess I was wrong. They normally leave new classes on beta until they start ptr testing x.1s and so on
deep pawn
but i think they want more last minute testing
It's a good way to stress test the starting experience
deep pawn
Give devastation more buttons <a:NODDERS:770256687755427871>
Did you talent into eternity surge and shattering star?
cosmic beacon
Yep
Still feels like I have nothing to press
Donât even think itâs a full page in the devastation spellbook
merry tusk
Anyone able to tell me what server I should be on if I want to play with crafting stuff for beta? Or is that over?
dense plover
Anyone able to tell me what server I should be on if I want to play with craftin...
valdrakken
merry tusk
thanks
dense plover
its later today
2pm PST
so 6 hours
and NA only obviously
since EU has separate servers i think
merry tusk
can i still look at crafting stuff? i didnt necessarily want to do the blues event
merry tusk
hmm ok
glad niche
So dracthyr on PTR is at 2pm PST today?
glad niche
ok, so im updating my ptr. However bf is on after updating and doesnt see them as a creation option
errant prairie
F
candid ruin
Blizz really makes some weird decisions
errant prairie
glad niche
Just not or something? Or earlier I mean?
uncut lintel
