build was pushed to koranos/tyrhold
#beta-ptr-spoilers
mossy meteor
dense plover
wait
realms are down?
build while i can play?
NO
why not while im working!!!
i hope it comes online/to launcher soon
ping me if the build drops
mossy meteor
ionic terrace
ono
upper pasture
is it time to tag peach?
deep pawn
Friday, October 7
Heroic
The Primalist Council – 13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
Sennarth, the Cold Breath – 14:00 PDT (17:00 EDT, 23:00 CEST)
Mythic
Terros – 15:00 PDT (18:00 EDT, 00:00 CEST)
slender helm
- fixing mouseover macros so they won't always priotize current target instead of the mouseover. Makes healing (nearly) impossible
dense plover
dangit build, come on - i only have an hour or two before i have to leave until tonight 😦
plain quartz
servers still down?
slender helm
servers still down?
Yes
plain quartz
@slender helm any idea if they coming back online tonight?
slender helm
Could be theoretical in the next minutes or next hours^^ Nobody knows. We neither know if it's a build deployment or something else
dense plover
probably today
they had a successful partial server deploy
which is probably why they took them all back down
probably in the next hour or two
slender helm
Y most likely
plain quartz
Thx guys!
ionic terrace
💤
dense plover
well, i have to go until tonight, so hopefully it drops in the next 4 or so hours
uncut vault
Well there it is lol
ionic terrace
pog
ocean pawn
2.4 gb btw :o
dense plover
Of fucking course
ionic terrace
looks like voice for dracthyr is in
ocean pawn
oh right
ocean pawn
well with patch ~2 hours late we're kinda ddosing them rn
ionic terrace
ocean pawn
ocean pawn
uf dont you watch youtube
dense plover
I know I’ve already reported 30+ bugs just in the intro, and I JUST got dragonriding and haven’t done a bunch of side quests
ocean pawn
you will see what's in in about 5 min -
ionic terrace
wait
ionic terrace
yeah
dense plover
@ocean pawn what are you talking about?
There’s a bunch of class changes
Some of which we knew were coming
Detestation and feral changes seem good
Idk about the rest
Still wish they would revisit the monk and Druid class trees
deep pawn
loading screen background sounds
I'm mad shadow got yet another rearrangement and Druid class can't get some love
ocean pawn
be mad for this
Dark Void – Cooldown no longer affected by Haste.
Shadow Crash – Cooldown no longer affected by Haste.
ionic terrace
S1 title is The Thundering
ionic terrace
and the mount is Hailstone Armoredon
dense plover
At least based on global strings
dense plover
and the mount is Hailstone Armoredon
Wtf is that
dense plover
Oh
Looks like you might be able to customize portrait size separately so they may be doing individually sized elements
ionic terrace
hm maybe some uldaman music
ionic terrace
upper pasture
thundering low key sounds like prideful no?
deep pawn
it reads as a new quaking
upper pasture
maybe more random than prideful but if it shoots out in all cardinal directions seems like prideful
deep pawn
but stuns others instead of interrupts casting
eh? It says nearby, I'm reading it as a circle
upper pasture
discharge excess energy
makes me think it's gonna shoot out but it could be a circle around too who knows
deep pawn
joy for needing a weakaura timer
dense plover
IDs means they’re prepping - but the files have to exist to reference
ionic terrace
yeah
dense plover
There should be an associated fileID
Search and see if it exists
If it doesn’t then yeah, music soon but not yet
This is pretty late for music but we’ve had music as late as the build before or of prepatch
Oh that mount is WEIRD
cool, glad to see it’s unique
Wonder what the mythic mount will be - if it’s the raszageth customization, it probably also needs to exist as a separate mount
ocean pawn
i still wonder about the update size tbf
if it isnt music, its either hd textures or map features
hope for the latter but,
dense plover
Probably HD textures, specifically UI stuff
ocean pawn
y :(
deep pawn
So, in the credits the combat designers are a team of 15
That tracks with how talents were iterated on
mossy meteor
I don't think there's a mythic mount
Mythic raid mount that is
Still no mythic+ ugh
ionic terrace
nah they wre
mossy meteor
Next week it is
ionic terrace
Credits probably aren’t updated
pastel wind
Someone posted this on another Discord
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965456344360583191/1027361660815540234/unknown.png
ocean pawn
u can log
ionic terrace
dense plover
Unit frame slider!!!
ionic terrace
yeah no music
mossy meteor
Wait peach
You said they added more action bars
Can someone screenshot that, I'm in bed xf
I know a person that wanted more action bars
mossy meteor
Neat ui
silent urchin
is it unique per ore or is that just all mining nodes
ocean pawn
ohoooo Interface/FrameXML/GameTooltip.lua:721: attempt to index field 'GM' (a nil value)
well f
ionic terrace
can't turn it in
ocean pawn
the rep per renown is up to 2.5k, probs wq give far more rep now
uncut vault
Raise your Renown with the Major Factions of the Dragon Isles to continue the campaign
looks like the main story will require renown with all of the factions
deep pawn
on one character I pray
ocean pawn
well this is dark
uncut lintel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/hailstorm-armoredon-dragonflight-keystone-master-season-1-mount-reward-329207?webhook this needs to be changed to another mount please lets vote kick this ugly ground mount this is not worth anywhere near 15+ in mythics wtf is this it doesnt even have wings its not even a dragon or customization i have concerns already and the expac isnt even out yet
@cosmic beacon this is some ugly foccin mount i bet this guy who designed this mount, esp for a m+ reward is same guy who made shadowlands have 50 horses, wtf
cosmic beacon
thats cool asf
deep pawn
I'm willing to bet KSM will require 18s now or something
uncut lintel
no mount in dragonflightfor rewards, pvp, raiding, m+, should be ground limited and look as ugly as this i hope they change it otherwise
dragon isles yet 90% of mounts u get is gonna be gorund
uncut lintel
I'm willing to bet KSM will require 18s now or something
meh an 18 isnt as different as a 15 but if they start raising this shit every expansion, im just not gonna bother anymore
imagine all dungeons on 30+ for ground mount
half their playerbase: stops doing m+
uncut vault
UI art finally got added
uncut lintel
THERES A WORGEN TAIL JOKE IN THE DRACTHYR JOKE LIST OMFG IS THAT A SIGN R WE GETTING WOLF TAILS
@cosmic beacon
cosmic beacon
suck on deez
crimson jasper
THERES A WORGEN TAIL JOKE IN THE DRACTHYR JOKE LIST OMFG IS THAT A SIGN R WE GET...
l just read that one pretty funky, fingers crossed
uncut lintel
l just read that one pretty funky, fingers crossed
same
upper pasture
tbf we don't even know if KSM is going to add more to it and reward a mount and dragonriding cosmetics so...i'd wait before lighting the pitchforks
uncut lintel
tbf we don't even know if KSM is going to add more to it and reward a mount and ...
no
blizzard cant do anything right
im always lighting pitchfork
im a person with grudges
candid ruin
THERES A WORGEN TAIL JOKE IN THE DRACTHYR JOKE LIST OMFG IS THAT A SIGN R WE GET...
if anything that is a sign they will never add tails otherwise the joke won't make sense
uncut vault
Really wish blizz would stop making jokes at the expense of player desires in player lines like that lol
especially when they age like milk, like the high elf line void elves have
pastel wind
That worgen joke make me cry 😂 😂
uncut lintel
i need worgen 
ancient jasper
Oh shit they added Frame Size changing for Player Frame, Target Frame and Focus Frame
Amazing change
uncut vault
Now all they need to do is separate pet frame and target-of-target frame and do the same size options haha
dense plover
There was another new mount added
Maybe something related to M+ idk
Or a rare drop from Nokhud?
deep pawn
or a druid glyph
dense plover
dragon isles rep summary got a new button too
skinning journal got a new icon this build
it has new info - actually useful
curious hide has a weekly limit
dense plover
this menu is fancy
also dragonriding is amazing just for hopping between objectives
cunning fossil
curious hide has a weekly limit
As does all the othe gathering proffs it seems
Makes sense,
Prevents no lifers from.juat sitting at the computer 3 days straight and hyper boosting their skills level, which will cause them to be the only people on the server to make items at high quality and jack up prices
silent urchin
knowledge does seem largely timegated
I've had random drops when mining but they seem pretty rare
silent urchin
Ah I finally understand the bug with @ player modifiers in macros and now I can work around it and don't have to manually target death and decay every 15 seconds
I hope to god that didn't actually ping anyone, balls
proper crystal
REEEE!!
I saw this earlier, was zoomed in as my husband happened to walk passed (behind) me and glance at the screen.. “What the HELL is THAT” 😂😂
proper crystal
Ah I finally understand the bug with @ player modifiers in macros and now I can ...
How do you work around it? Uh.. asking for a friend?
silent urchin
it works if you have yourself or nothing targeted, doesn't work with anything else targeted
Annoyingly it doesn't work still if you put /canceltarget first in the macro, but manually dropping target and immediately casting felt better than manually placing the aoe
still awkward though, so hope it gets fixed soon
proper crystal
Annoyingly it doesn't work still if you put /canceltarget first in the macro, bu...
I see :O thank you for explaining!
Also.. Can’t help but notice the non-aspect dragonriding mount colors (datamined and on the dressing room) do not exist in the customization UI on beta…
They also removed the yellow dragonfly mount, my disappointment is immeasurable
silent urchin
I saw a giant stag beetle today and I really hope that gets a mount variant
silver copper
Man cant wait in 19 days to go into Orgimmar on my Dracthyr and just cause people to crash by attacking the dummies 😄
livid walrus
divided by zero kekw
mossy meteor
lots of crashing while dragon riding
dense plover
My UI got wiped - so lesson learned, don’t put any major work into UI changes right now
dense plover
Though I will keep testing it and giving feedback
What is that menu?
I’ve never seen that
mossy meteor
shows me lua errors
helpful kind of
it's mostly for people that use addons
but it's useful in beta to show where the issue lies
silent urchin
world quests themselves seem to work ok, it's just the map tooltips that don't work
mossy meteor
yeah just the mouseover
hope they've finally fixed the old man in ruby life pools quest
dense plover
Ah - I thought something was wrong with that
They did fix the note quest step in the wing rest embassy area
So maybe?
dense plover
world quests themselves seem to work ok, it's just the map tooltips that don't w...
Wonder if this is because of how they’re doing rep
silent urchin
The old orc quest in ruby life pools was a really nice quest chain
dense plover
Also doesn’t seem like they increased quest rep to compensate for the increased renown requirements
dense plover
or do you mean the dragon-dwarf
I think dwarf
silent urchin
And rep did seem a bit higher, Was well above 2k/4k and only did about half of them
dense plover
Tbf yeah everything offers rep, even side quests so I guess the intention is most of your leveling is max level not during leveling
mossy meteor
yep the dragon dwarf
ionic terrace
Dragon dwarf
crystal pond
Dragon dwarf where
dense plover
I’ll check the dragon dwarf when I get home if you don’t before tonight
I’m parked at the Life pool - got too tired to actually do much play last night
I love the first zone though - it’s freaking massive. I wish starting dragonriding didn’t require 1 vigor but it makes sense on paper
But playing as a dracthyr, it gives me a chance to use soar
Since I can use it while waiting for vigor to come back
crystal pond
What first zone? Waking shores or azure span?
dense plover
What first zone? Waking shores or azure span?
Waking shores - the first zone
Azure span is the 2nd or 3rd isn’t it?
crystal pond
Go to azure span
It way freaking biger
mossy meteor
i managed to get all but two glyphs without looking at wowhead comments
dense plover
i managed to get all but two glyphs without looking at wowhead comments
Now knowing that those floating things are glyphs I don’t think I’ll have any problems
crystal pond
Azure span is bigest zone of dragon isles
dense plover
They’re all huge though. Dragon isles are almost the same size as northrend with fewer zones (not including forbidden reach)
crystal pond
It was even sayed by blizzard that it bigest zone they ever made
silent urchin
Azure span feels like it could be fairly naturally split into multiple zones
livid walrus
Becks has company now!
deep pawn
Factions preview. Yeah this isn't getting delayed
mossy meteor
As you progress through the ranks of Dragonscale Expedition Renown, you’ll be able to power up Waygates scattered throughout the Dragon Isles that even your alts can take advantage of.
Neat
mossy meteor
Factions preview. Yeah this isn't getting delayed
There is no way the xpac would get delayed
It's nothing like shadowlands when they had a bunch of endgame systems
Whereas the major endgame/player power systems in DF are....talent trees and i guess tier sets
silent urchin
waygates haven't been working yet :(
Or maybe they are now but the quests don't trigger retroactively
I have one waygate so I can travel from there to itself
ocean pawn
look around for q they work
and are quite useful too, despite dragonriding - from edream to the time temple ie
dense plover
I mean - expac has until November 28th only classes and prepatch need to be ready before that
UI customization will probably continue to see more features added up until release and then probably only between patches
Especially if they want to avoid wiping UI setups
ancient jasper
What I'd like to see is them add the ability to resize the rest of the UI now and also the ability to move your bags.
dense plover
What I'd like to see is them add the ability to resize the rest of the UI now an...
The resizing is being worked on
They just added more this build
Bag might not happen
There are already so many problems they’ve run into
Unless they’ve already rewritten the bag code, idk if movable bag will happen
glass fulcrum
Anyone else notice there is now SFX on the loading screen? music is still just the shadowlands ost
idk if it was added today or what just noticed it exists
dense plover
Anyone else notice there is now SFX on the loading screen? music is still just t...
It was added in yesterdays build
rare hemlock
is this Vulpera really supposed to be a Dragon or is it a placeholder?
proper scarab
Damn, I found a bugged quest, I can't kill this elemental boss so I can't progress the questline 🥺ohhh cmom is it release date already??? 🤣
dark jewel
so evoker finally coming to ptr?
mossy meteor
cunning fossil
is this Vulpera really supposed to be a Dragon or is it a placeholder?
They're a dragon ye
crimson jasper
Damn, I found a bugged quest, I can't kill this elemental boss so I can't progre...
what quest do you mean?
mossy meteor
neat
dense plover
so evoker finally coming to ptr?
Evoker won’t ever be on PTR
New expac features other than prepatch event are almost never on PTR
crimson jasper
ahhh damn, but good to know, l didnt do that one yet
proper crystal
My UI got wiped - so lesson learned, don’t put any major work into UI changes ri...
You should be good if you log out properly after making changes, crashing will reset it/make saves not stick
dense plover
You should be good if you log out properly after making changes, crashing will r...
I think it reset because of the update
Next time I’ll export it or something
proper crystal
Ah, I see
dark jewel
New expac features other than prepatch event are almost never on PTR
Evoker is part of the pre patch. Pretty sure demon hunter and allied races, and allied dks all were
uncut vault
theyre a part of the prepatch, but they arent tested on PTR
dense plover
^^^^
DH was not on ptr until after expac launch
Or at least not until prepatch started
unborn rain
Is PTR down? All my servers been showing as offline pretty much all day.
unborn rain
Thanks 🙂
silver copper
Yeah, can understand the race wont be on the PTR since its a prepatch playable bonus
But at least its 19 days away if leak's correct
And it wouldnt make sense to have that Winds buff going longer then a month
dense plover
It might go the two weeks before Dracthyr release - they’re supposed to release right before or right as the primalist stuff starts and that’s when the buff should end
modest harness
Is threre a mission table in DF?
silver copper
Originally it was said they were gunna be 2 weeks before release but it mightve changed
It would be smarter to release them at the start and let people test them
upper pasture
Is threre a mission table in DF?
they've said there wouldn't be and i don't think i've come across one in beta so. sadness.
dense plover
Is threre a mission table in DF?
No there isn’t
They’re sorta done with that system
ocean pawn
has anyone checked if we can efficiently use professions at 60+
dense plover
has anyone checked if we can efficiently use professions at 60+
What do you mean?
ocean pawn
can we collect mats at regular droprates or they get better at 70.. "farming" gold gets annoying to get ah mats
liz's q in ONP ie
signal bone
I got in the beta, anybody have a good starter ui I can import?
deep pawn
any differences in the ptr?
dense plover
can we collect mats at regular droprates or they get better at 70.. "farming" go...
Higher quality as you get better skill
And better gear
Mats won’t be expensive
High quality will be but average quality won’t
Higher skill means you also get more mats
dense plover
any differences in the ptr?
Don’t think ptr is updated still
ocean pawn
but there arent mats or skill lvl locked behind lvl?
dense plover
but there arent mats or skill lvl locked behind lvl?
There are
The highest level mats
ocean pawn
kk ty
dense plover
And then in DF I’m pretty sure one set of mats is max level only or at least max gathering skill I’m not sure
There’s hide, scales and curious hide for skinning
Hides and scales are mob dependent and then quality increases with skill and attributes
I haven’t seen curious hide but I imagine it’s max level
ocean pawn
no wait thats my point, can you get the highest skill and mats before level 70... i play tailoring/eng in sl and havent checked how these work :(
dense plover
Or again, max skill
Generally you can’t
And with knowledge stuff requiring quests that require max level
The point is they want you to be at max for you to really take advantage of crafting stuff
That’s been the case for a while
It’s not new to DF
ocean pawn
eh no i mostly want to be able to fuel my profs by myself
uncut vault
I really hope they fix this animation before launch, poor survival hunter spines lmao
signal bone
is the new autoloot broken?
seems to not work half the time
or maybe it's just slower
also this hailstorm armoredon run animation...needs a lot of work lol
dense plover
is the new autoloot broken?
its not new - its just a recurring wow bug
usually has to do with server/area lag
dense plover
probably just updating to match
ionic terrace
it's 4 GB but there hasn't been a build for 2 weeks so yeah
dense plover
its the same changelog as the most recent beta without all the beta stuff
ionic terrace
mhm
dense plover
once its on wow.tools ill diff between it and beta
ionic terrace
i believe the splash screen should be in
for 10.0 anyway
yeah nothing new
figured
dense plover
btw forgot to check but last beta pretty much finished the dragon isles map
underwater is 95% done
and mountains appear finished
still some issues here but thats about it
this too but it might not get it since it might not be relevant until 10.1 or something
pulsar minnow
Is it possible to get to the forbidden reach at 70?
dense plover
Is it possible to get to the forbidden reach at 70?
possible yes, can you do anything but die? no
it kills you when you go there i think
or kicks you out
pulsar minnow
Ah gotcha
ocean pawn
i went at lvl 67 as sp ez
was like a month ago tho
now well rip, the lightning deals far too much dmg :(
but well there is nigh nothing there, aside from caves protecting you from strikes
pulsar minnow
Honestly I’m surprised how much I like Evokers
I was worried they would feel bad but they feel pretty strong. Granted I’m at level 62
dense plover
the change to dragons breath honestly helps a ton!
it felt kinda crappy and now it doesnt
jesus christ is framerate at the areas with lots of npcs shitty
i hope this is a beta problem
pulsar minnow
Anyone know how to move the Vigor Dragonriding Bar? It's behind my action bar 😅
uncut vault
what were the changes? I know there were some but I didnt really read it
uncut vault
Anyone know how to move the Vigor Dragonriding Bar? It's behind my action bar 😅
it's called the encounter bar, in the expanded options
dense plover
what were the changes? I know there were some but I didnt really read it
immediate damage increases and DoT decreases as you charge
also 15% more dmg overall
uncut vault
immediate damage increases and DoT decreases as you charge
So is it more that it always does the same damage, just more up front vs backloaded?
thats a really good change if so
uncut vault
makes empower feel like an actual choice vs just needing to use 4 all the time
dense plover
how do you change the flying speed lines?
dense plover
theres a fullscreen effect option but i thought there was a dragonriding specific option
glass flicker
Dynamic FoV?
pulsar minnow
it's called the encounter bar, in the expanded options
Thanks a ton
pulsar minnow
immediate damage increases and DoT decreases as you charge
It seems with Catalyze in single target its also really good to actually just cast a level 1 fire breath and then ramp its damage up with disintegrate
I love that there's actually a sense of choice with the two empowered abilities, and incentive to cast it at its varying levels
uncut vault
theres a fullscreen effect option but i thought there was a dragonriding specifi...
I think it only affects dragonriding atm, nothing else
dense plover
I think it only affects dragonriding atm, nothing else
ah ok
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=198979/time-capsule-letter this is the letter the old dwarf dragon gets from his time capsule
these little cutscenes are cool af
dense plover
cool - first time crafting armor gave me a point of knowledge
silent urchin
You also now get one for each point in a gathering profession
I wonder if you can cheese mettle by abandoning a gathering profession repeatedly
although they seem to have massively reduced the uses for it
upper pasture
cool - first time crafting armor gave me a point of knowledge
Pretty sure first time crafting anything gives you a point of knowledge
Every time
dense plover
im kinda sad the temp cinematic isnt the deathwing death cinematic - i miss the meme
pulsar minnow
Oh sweet. I was able to make a basic macro so I can swap into Visage form every time I mount, and swap back into dragon form when I dismount
thank goodness visage doesn't have a cast time like Worgen's transformation
dense plover
god sabellian is awful
i hate this dragon
like - i think im supposed to, but i DO hate him
he hates mortals, he trusts no one, and he lies constantly
silent urchin
so wrathion but 3 expansions ago?
dense plover
yes
but worse
wrathion always cared about azeroth
sabellian just cares about his flight
so zone 1 done, 2 oathstones empowered
that was fast
pulsar minnow
I got to the lead up to the assault on the citadel but then decided to just get every dragon glyph
I have to say, they did fantastic with this system. Even base Dragonriding is insanely good. I only needed to stop like twice while collecting every glyph
errant prairie
same
silent urchin
as far as getting all the glyphs goes, getting that first reduced vigor timer when flying feels very important
with 10s it's fairly easy to gain infinite height
I think it's technically possible even at the base 15s but it's a massive pain and takes forever
heh, you can cheese races and start with 6 vigor instead of 3
just dismount and remount during the countdown
after going into it with full vigor
dense plover
ohnaran plains is so different from everything ive seen and what i thought
i like it a lot more than i thought i would, just in the initial part
the wooded swamp is nice
dense plover
I got to the lead up to the assault on the citadel but then decided to just get ...
i didnt do this - i probably will on live but for beta im sorta pushing for story
also since today, i am also getting the crashes that i said i wasnt
so something else is broken
deep pawn
I'm meh on dragon riding. I really hate the landings but I will "tolerate" it for flying at the start
silent urchin
Landings are definitely hard to get used to
deep pawn
If this is the compromise I'll take it over no flying for half the expansion
silent urchin
especially when you're trying to hop from node to node and you're very limited in the slightly weird take off motion
Generally I've found it ok for tricky landings if I take time to fly a bit away and line up properly
deep pawn
I just don't need travel to be a game. It's just an annoyance
silent urchin
but yeah, definitely can see people complaining when they're just trying to herb/mine or whatever, especially as you can end up waiting on vigor to take off again
deep pawn
I fully plan on using those portals and hopefully nearby flight paths
Herbalists are best prepared to just walk with their shredders
silent urchin
nodes do seem to cluster a fair bit, so a mix of walking and flying may work best
abstract ether
i love dragon riding. so much. i collected all the glyphs and maxed out dragon riding and it became even more fun. but then again i am the kind of person who just stares at the top of an herb on a cliff and always goes the wrong way to get to the top
like i hated revendreth with a passion until flight got unlocked.
crystal pond
sabellian just cares about his flight
Well
I mean
How do you supposed to trust any not of your flight when they tried to murder you and your family?
Mortals tried to kill Black dragons because they was evil
Other dragons was tried to murder all Black dragons because of deathwing Madness
So ya know
spring mulch
languid yoke
I don't like where evoker is on that
crystal pond
Seems like dracthyr will start from stormwind/orgrimar in pre-patch and not in starting area
harsh wedge
Would be pretty weird to have them start in Stormwind/Orgrimmar during prepatch then have them do their starting zone once the expansion launches
deep pawn
we already knew that the Evokers were coming later in the prepatch
the winds of wisdom buff will be up at the start too
super fast levelling for that week or two
cosmic beacon
silver copper
Wait that doesn't make any sense
Even Ion said before it would be 2 weeks before the release. That's not 2 weeks that's 8 days
Yeah calling sus on that
It's even been said the new talent system starts as soon as the prepatch does and that chart says when the expac releases
silver copper
Where'd you get that?
silent urchin
UISplashScreen table
silver copper
It's obviously fake, right?
upper pasture
I mean, there’s no dates attached to that it just tells us we get prepatch then we get evokers and then we get DF. Literally something we already knew
silver copper
Oh
Oh I was reading that all wrong
So the new dungeons still come out the same time as the Evoker
silent urchin
Yeah, seems like the pre-patch bringing everything up to 10.0 happens, then the event starts later
upper pasture
Pretty sure it’s gonna be talents and UI overhaul->evokers and prepatch stuff/uldaman->DF release
silver copper
I mean fair but still, don't want to sit on 2 weeks of still no content trying to fumble around with the talents
...Welp looks like I'm adding 14 more days onto my "Wait to play the new race" white board >n>
upper pasture
Well I’m other news I scored the best evoker name last night after a fever dream of a really random TikTok/vine/wherever I saw it years ago
Elizardbeth
little hound
Elizardbeth
She british and a monarch too?
upper pasture
she might be rockin the talon queen title from the get go lol
mossy meteor
i think it's cool that they remembered sabellian exists
not sure how i feel about him vs wrathion
they're both annoying
ebyssian / ebonhorn is much more chill
crystal pond
Everything talkng about Ebonhorn, forgeting about the fact that he dont like leadership and choosing to be advisor or some sort of
Also fact he was away from dragons almost whole of his life and looks like he still adapting to that
dense plover
I like wrathion more because for all his faults, wrathion fulfills the requirements of the oathstone, protecting Azeroth and the mortal races that inhabit it
Sabellian doesn’t care about anything but the dragons and that has a good chance of leading him down the same path Neltharion went
rain cave
wrathion lacks the 'official'-ness to be a leader though that's the thing
dense plover
If we are going the titan/old god route I think we are, that may end up being the case
Wrathion already had his moment of corruption and overcame it
rain cave
he's going to have to learn by example from sabellian how to stop playing around and take things seriously
dense plover
Sabellian ran away
I agree that Wrathion does need to grow up a bit more
But he cares
And that’s much easier to grow from than the point Sabellian is at
rain cave
I imagine he and anduin will have some kind of reunification that helps them both get over their character progression hurdles
dense plover
I wouldn’t be against them working together but I don’t think Sabellian would do that
rain cave
or they'll get over them and then reunite
with their changes being the core playoff for eachother
dense plover
He literally met us, then immediately lied to us and Wrathion about the black dragon eggs
I do not trust Sabellian
I think he has other plans
rain cave
I feel like sabellian is a red herring in terms of actual intent
dense plover
He could EASILY end up as the 10.1 bad guy if he gets corrupted
rain cave
same as turalyon
rain cave
they might frame him as malicious or shady, reveal he's actually pure in his moment of corruption/fall from grace
that's my bet
rain cave
where we see his full hand at the end, and it teaches wrathion how to carry the torch
dense plover
Tried to corrupt Wrathion to show how strong he is and then falls to his own trap
rain cave
I could even see a self aware corruption story
dense plover
I don’t think I want Sabellian directly teaching Wrathion
rain cave
where he knows he's going to fall to corruption
and is doing what he can to subtly prepare wrathion
dense plover
I think I would prefer a self growth through experience story
rain cave
by giving him competition
instead of wrathion just proclaiming himself the new leader
he has to earn it
dense plover
That could work too
rain cave
since wrathion has been largely uncontested
dense plover
I do think Sabellian is going to get corrupted either way though
rain cave
if sabellian knows he's fucked corruption wise
dense plover
The entire time we talk to him all he talks about is black dragons and corruption
rain cave
we could see him trying to pass old wisdom and the torch onto wrathion even if it's not direct
as his mind fails him in later patches
also I can see turalyon being a red herring on topics of corruption
dense plover
I think it’s very unlikely Sabellian gets to the end of the expac without at least being corrupted temporarily
rain cave
I feel like they're building him up to be a zealot just so they can flip the script when we think he's going to do something bad
and he just turns and goes
"nah fam my loyalty is to the people"
because alleria keeps him grounded somewhat
arator too
and he even chose to join the alliance
could be interesting to see turalyon's faith tested though
like when the light reveals itself to not be so pure he maybe renounces it
dense plover
I think we may see turalyon make some bad decisions because of his zealotry but I don’t think he will purposefully hurt the alliance
rain cave
or just gets fucking smited on the spot
dense plover
I absolutely see alleria as a grounding force
dense plover
hopefully they can do something to fix the dc's
DCs or crashes? It’s Friday so idk if anything will get done
Is there raid testing planned?
dense plover
there is
If there is raid testing they’ll try to fix it
If so we should see a new build or jot fixes in the next 3-4 hours
deep pawn
seems to have stabilized
crystal pond
Where is raid schedule on wowhead? I can't find it
young latch
Are there dragonflight quests where we work with gnolls?
proper scarab
For sure I haven't seen murlocs yet so it's a failed expansion 🤣🤣
But my questline is bugged and I'm not progressing, so who knows... the future awaits
amber jay
IS beta up or Down?
gloomy tangle
I can’t get to any realms on retail or beta atm
deep pawn
beta is up but it's been having some issues
amber jay
Seems like battle net have problém when account Page throwing 500 error. Like 15 min ago.
ionic terrace
those are some big nerfs to balance
dense plover
For sure I haven't seen murlocs yet so it's a failed expansion 🤣🤣
Pretty sure one of the coasts has some
dense plover
How bad?
They were necessary
They had just introduced a bunch of new stuff
Balance was a huge outlier and was OP
DH too tbh
dense plover
beta is up but it's been having some issues
They just did hotfixes so might be better
dense plover
I was wondering how into the ground it is
It’s not
It’s taking them from way top to probably somewhere above the middle assuming some of the abilities
Also increases the competitiveness of some of the talent choices
silver copper
I mean, going to still be maining Evoker but my old main is a druid
dense plover
I main brew and balance is my 2nd
silver copper
Balance/Resto Druid as my main, and Unholy DK as my second
dense plover
I’m probably still not going to pick the strong talents - I like new moon and oneths clear vision and convoke the spirits
silver copper
Desto warlock my third >u>
livid walrus
quite odd place for npc
abstract ether
great, she's obviously trying to have some privacy and here you go broadcasting her location and clicking her and stuff
plain violet
Maybe another player/roleplayer reference?
livid walrus
Maybe another player/roleplayer reference?
usually, those references use the char name which is one word.
plus they dont have a dialogue
plain violet
Not always, take for example the two DK added at Oribo in 9.2.5.
They were roleplayers character (of a roleplayer who worked with Blizzard and her boyfriend character), with the names of their characters in roleplay and even dialogues.
So it could be here too.
livid walrus
livid walrus
So it could be here too.
I said usually 🙂 as for most cases in df.
plain violet
Who knows! It could be repeated here too. :)
But for sure it could be a reference for someone (SL had a lot with two words names)
uncut lintel
i need dragonflght NOW
dense plover
quite odd place for npc
I would report it as a bug - maybe altitude is wrong
livid walrus
I would report it as a bug - maybe altitude is wrong
i did already 🙂
livid walrus
another new npc in org
ionic terrace
Cheeseus
pulsar minnow
Actually just gorgeous
livid walrus
deep pawn
No build. Just hotfixes
ancient jasper
Just from what little I've done of the Waking Shores everything is gorgeous so far
uncut lintel
the snowman hated that paw glove
cunning fossil
Gutting M+ again Blizz damn
Why increasw the level by a whole 5 levels?? For gear that is still pretty much sub par
It's hard enough to get a key to 15 now you want us to get to 20??
With harder scaling??
WITH the ducking stupid "You lose, you go down -1 level" BULL??
Like come on man
Wait a minute I can just tell them now. Lmao I'm dumb
dense plover
so
learned some stuff about artisans mettle
you get 5 everytime you do a new craft
and the weekly limited item gives 5 everytime you use it too
silent urchin
You get 5 every time you gain knowledge
Which is technically what the new craft and limited item give you
dense plover
ah
i hope there is some way for crafting professions other than alchemy to tear items apart
uncut lintel
@cunning fossil they want ppl to stop playing m+ to focus more on raiding
this is their plan
glass flicker
Then just remove m+ or make it award gear with a smaller ilvl than mythic raids?
I much more preferred challenge mode.
opaque pewter
As I mentioned before, to give equivalent gear, there should a pass/fail equivalent
glass flicker
Or, you know, make raid gear especially powerful, not by item level, but by effect.
Tier sets are a good start.
opaque pewter
People will feel the same even with that, moving the goal post lol
glass flicker
But what if we had a pair of rings that give the effect of "Combining this set grants a talent point"
I think that would be far more significant than any bis stats ring from a dungeon.
opaque pewter
There is a delicate balance that shouldn't be touched with talents that way, but yes, in general an exciting differentiator would be key
glass flicker
Or, you know, have smaller sets that affect individual talents, instead of having to complete a full tier.
Like a set of weapons making Sinister Strike stronger for outlaw.
Just an example.
opaque pewter
It was kinda there but in a more narrow scale. Combined with tier sets, hunters did get that kind of reward
I do understand wanting to keep it rare so it's more in-lore and special rather than yet another layer of expections
glass flicker
Here's a good one. Make final bosses drop a class specific trinket.
opaque pewter
But yes we're just listing things, but we seem to basically agree that there should be a better, or at least more exciting reward for playing the pass/fail activity
glass flicker
I just want a reason to do raids, other than achievements and transmog. The gear feels underwhelming because we can just get the same ilvl thing from dungeons.
Jaithys and Gavel were a good start for making things cool.
E v e r y o n e wants a Jaithys or Gavel on their warrior/dk/pally.
uncut vault
well theyre definitely doing those in DF
silver copper
So did anyone get a preemptive patch download?
deep pawn
Some people assume that 20s will remain harder than current 15s, but I don't know if Blizzard has the guts to do it
This just feels like what they did when they made the best loot start to require 15s instead of 10s
silent urchin
it doesn't seem like the scaling has changed
It's hard to guess how it'll be tuned, 20s in S4 are probably easier than 15s in S1
the world records have gone further pretty much every season
uncut vault
Some people assume that 20s will remain harder than current 15s, but I don't kno...
scarizard laid it out on twitter, lemme find it
deep pawn
I know what they're saying now. Let's see if they stick with it if participation drops
ocean pawn
have you noticed the game takes eons to load up clicking play
or its low pc ppl prob
eons mean literally 4-5 min
upper pasture
Sounds like a computer issue ngl
ocean pawn
ye ik..
silent urchin
definitely not minutes
ocean pawn
does it take a while for you though :?
silent urchin
potentially a bit slower than in the past, but no more than like 20s
ocean pawn
oh kk
ocean pawn
wow 7 min :o
silent urchin
Is this between clicking play on the launcher and the client launching?
ocean pawn
yup ;d
silent urchin
cause that seems ridiculous unless it was still patching or something
ember blaze
jade frigate
looks like Shadowlands is part of the base lvling with BFA
once you hit lvl 50 in chromie time or BFA, you have to lvl in Shadowlands til you hit lvl 60 then you can lvl in Dragon Isles
that really sucks...
proper crystal
once you hit lvl 50 in chromie time or BFA, you have to lvl in Shadowlands til y...
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-chromie-time-rescaling-level-60-unchanged-328805 That’s not what they said last month? Also https://www.wowhead.com/news/leveling-and-chromie-time-changes-with-dragonflight-level-from-10-to-60-in-any-326805
dense plover
im surprised how many bugs/QoL im running into that i have to imagine have few or no reports
like - maruukai isnt a sanctuary
thats 100% not intended
its the big city for the zone
silent urchin
as in rested exp or banned pvp
dense plover
the rep changes broke the maruuk rep
it should unlock if youre at level 1 but since level 1 is now 2500 and not 1000, the quest to unlock it doesnt work
silent urchin
Ah, I'm pretty sure it has an inn that counts
dense plover
Ah, I'm pretty sure it has an inn that counts
It’s a hut
It’s silly that a huge town isn’t a rested area
There’s no way that’s intended
its 100% the kind of thing i reported in BfA and SLs and they fixed those
i feel like i should have a TED talk on things to report that dont seem like bugs or problems but totally are
IE mobs not spawning fast enough, terrible droprates, missing sanctuaries
silent urchin
I've definitely reported crap mob spawn rates or terrible quest drop rates
rested zones not really something I ever notice in general, though
dense plover
pay attention to that
anywhere where theres tons of neutral or friendly npcs, it probably should be a sanctuary
example of an area that didnt used to be a sanctuary that i reported until it was - the korthia hub
silent urchin
oh probably
I've mostly just been trying to report every single floating or inaccessible mining node
there are so many
dense plover
yeah thats better than it used to be
at least now you can mouseover and report, right?
silent urchin
doesn't work on mining nodes
I've mostly just stood as close as possible so hopefully they can see it on the attached data on the report
dense plover
damn i thought they fixed that
rare hemlock
anyone build out a spreadsheet yet on 10.0 professions?
dense plover
wait - does disintegrate only have a cooldown as much as you dont have essence>
that is TOTALLY how it works
i thought it was bugged
dense plover
the crashes are relentless
fps isnt great either
and ohnarah goes out with a whiumper - what is this lame ending
it was suddenly super easy - still unclear what happened with ohnara
like wut?
i guess the point here is empowering the oathstone since thats why we came here
and i assume coming back at max level is where the story continues with the dungeon
what a weird ending - here, help us with a dungeon and getting our god back - or you can leave and head to the azure span
plain violet
what a weird ending - here, help us with a dungeon and getting our god back - or...
Agreed, some endings are really weird.
The main complaint I would have with the quests... are the unnecessary allies deaths.
That's for shock value and to show how terrible the situation is, but they seem so avoidable or even undoable that feel very strange with how often they appear.
dense plover
discovered a new profession thing - theres a thing you can turn in repeatedly for dragon shards of knowledge that gives 25 mettle and a knowledge point in one of your professions
plain violet
Interesting.. :o
dense plover
shards specifically come from gathering
i think its to encourage doing 1 gathering and 1 crafting profession
but you can get knowledge for either
cunning fossil
GOnna try one round of M+ on the beta to see how it feels fear
deep pawn
It's probably a bit overtuned.
At least a +10 without tyrannical or fort life pools feels harder than intended
I think maybe they went the other direction when some said raid testing was too easy
cunning fossil
I just did Azure Pools +10
and like
the pools on the ground tick for 45k a second
definitely overtuned
and the fact that Erratic Growth is an uninterruptable cast is baffling
like my
why
why on EARTH would something that can practically murder the entire party be hard CC reliant
no wonder they removed Inspiring, that shit would be impossible
also as the only affix in the dungeon, Thundering is like
I don't even know how they though this would be ok for Melee lmao
like as warrior I can leap away, wait then charge in
What are Pallies gonna do? DKs?
Also the sharding is just breaking groups and you have to be lucky if u wanna text
test*
I know tuning is a thing sorry for the rant. I need to see how I can send these to them, forums right?
deep pawn
Yeah, I still don't have beta forum access. Submitted a ticket
patent epoch
SO excited to play DF Beta once I get my key from giveaway 🙂
dense plover
SO excited to play DF Beta once I get my key from giveaway 🙂
which giveaway? the dragon customization one is over
patent epoch
I just got the key! See you in beta
elder otter
I had to sleep at some point, lol
dense plover
@copper drift you need to earn knowledge and put points in the core specialization that gives you +skill for each type of thing
also you need to level up your character
im pretty sure high end recipes are level locked
or rep locked
dense plover
yeah put points in the very top one
also show me your crafting menu
@copper drift
copper drift
dense plover
anything with little arrows can give skill up
but i think a bunch of it is also related to recipes you dont have from reps or something
im not sure where the high end recipes come from
copper drift
No stress thanks for the help
dense plover
No stress thanks for the help
im still figuring things out myself
ancient jasper
@deep pawn I had to log out of my account then back in to get access to posting on the Beta Forums. Might give that a shot.
silent urchin
I think the maximum skill required to craft anything is 50
post that it's just spec unlock and more knowledge/chance for higher quality
dense plover
ive started finding treasures that give 2-3 knowledge
which means you also get 10-15 mettle
kinda neat
dense plover
SO. MANY. CRASHES.
i have no idea how people are testing dungeons with this many crashes
also i fucking love dragonriding
idgaf about what people say about gameifying flight or whatever
its fast af
dense plover
gold baby
upper pasture
i was expecting to hate it but when i first used it fell in love with it
dense plover
it started off as fun and as the newness went away, i just started to love it because its so freaking fast
just found out that when youre near a glyph, theres a buff that shows how close you are to it
was flying around exploring azure span - managed to get enough glyphs for 5 vigor
dense plover
btw i forgot to follow up but circle of blood is somewhere in ohnaran plains
i saw one of the npcs from the circle of blood mention a round being over
ancient jasper
Hm.. Found a chest in a cave that has a Barrier called a Molten Lock on it and it says something about a Touch of Frost
dense plover
wait
primalist eranog
its fucking garrosh!
its the same voice actor!
im 99% sure
uncut vault
It is haha
Though the voice he uses is more of a deep version of his Arthas voice
He does a handful of voices this xpac, including the male dracthyr NPCs which is just flat out his Garrosh voice lol
jade frigate
https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-chromie-time-rescaling-level-60-u...
if you have beta, shadowlands is NOT listed in chromie time
@proper crystal im on beta and shadowlands aint listed and the lvls are showing around the 50s
@proper crystal
slate goblet
so I tried about 8 to 10 times to enter the dragon isles on different characters, every time the zeppelin enters the isles I disconnect. I'd very much would like to even make it there haha
proper crystal
so I tried about 8 to 10 times to enter the dragon isles on different characters...
oh no! Make sure you're not on Valdrakken (lvl 70 testing server)
slate goblet
no, I tried copying my character to both other test servers and created new characters
so far no luck. But I'll just play around with a lvl 70 character instead
proper crystal
if you have beta, shadowlands is NOT listed in chromie time
I see. Seems like something that should be reported as a bug, it is likely not yet updated.
livid walrus
livid walrus
o0 huh?
silent urchin
pvp world quest?
livid walrus
i checked that location and nothing was there.
dense plover
it exists in the wild
silent urchin
the murhulk?
dense plover
yes
also they explained the murloc timeline
its in the quest before
youre helping siaszerathel and he merges a murloc into a timeline
i love how this area just has every type of enemy
aarakoa stuff
honestly would be funny af if they dropped broken apexis crystals
i love this - i saw the Heart of Azeroth, the shield from legion, and one of the scrolls from pandaria
this area is well designed
silent urchin
*heart of azmerloth
dense plover
but small and my biggest issue - df loot
?
silent urchin
I assume it's the group loot change or something
or something about ilvls which still seem to be in flux
sharp loom
silent urchin
I can't really say I'm that fussed about either. I don't think group loot is the best change but it's a lot better than personal which can be absolutely awful if you get bad luck. The worst outcome in group loot is far better than the worst in personal loot if rng gods decide to screw you over
Wasting gear is eh, there's always been gear basically no one wants
flint night
does anyone know if there's a discord dedicated to (DF) professions? or an appropriate channel here for it? i'm looking to discuss/see any resources others may have made so far 🙂
big fan of the wowhead profession tree calculator so far!
elder otter
does anyone know if there's a discord dedicated to (DF) professions? or an appro...
That'd be #beta-ptr-spoilers just in general.
flint night
That'd be <#406285497846071306> just in general.
makes sense! tyvm!
deep pawn
I think group loot has a lot more downsides
Thankfully you can't win duplicates but now you can have one person win multiple items which is something that'll never happen in personal loot.
And I think there was just a small CD in general. I don't think you'd win loot back to back on bosses often if at all
I know Blizzard says that's not how the rolls work, but eh..
silent urchin
pretty sure there was some hidden deck of cards style system so everyone gets like 2 pieces of loot on a full clear
at least most of the time
but mostly the rogue in my guild, who was the only one eligible for agility daggers, so never any hope of a trade, went like 5 months without a weapon drop in nathria
which is something that is a lot more common in personal rather than group loot
you end up with a something like 4% chance to get any specific item each time, so it's not even that rare to not see it after 50 or 100 tries
meanwhile generic items like rings are being sharded 2 weeks in because they're on everyones personal loot table so you get 3-4 a kill
tropic trail
<@188574666980327424>
you can loot and equip shadowlands gear on as low as level 20s, tested by people on xpoff forums. more than likely blizzard isn't done scaling and that's why it isn't an option yet. heck, shadowlands dungeon gear only goes up to ilvl 158 at level 59 whereas bfa dungeon gear goes up to ilvl 190 at level 59
even at those low levels though gear drops at its live level 48 values, around ilvl 88
dense plover
is there an addon that fixes world quest tooltips?
uncut lintel
is dragonflight out yet
dense plover
and another
dense plover
i went looking for fish - i found bugs
since i cant really do world quests - im gonna look for broken nodes like this
silent urchin
world quests still largely work if you go there, it's just the map tooltip that's buggered
dense plover
yeah but i cant tell what the quest is without the tooltip
and im still trying to find specific fish
so im reporting bugs which is a good use of my time
crystal pond
i went looking for fish - i found bugs
Wdym?
Its just jesus fish
dense plover
is the reagent tauren enabled on all realms?
errant prairie
just max level ones
dense plover
random skinning npc gave me 10 knowledge and 50 mettle
silent urchin
looks like a couple thousand of the same model stacked ontop of each other
glass flicker
It's obviously Unknown, Unknown's Minion.
silent urchin
With a bonus placeholder checked cube in the middle
glass flicker
All hail the cube.
ocean pawn
welp if i go near this, my pc dies
thanks for the heads-up, i guess ;d
deft carbon
yep xD
silent urchin
Yeah, that's gonna be rough on PCs
Not really meant to render that many things at once
The guy in the middle casts "awaken soul" about every 10 seconds which I think creates a new one
deft carbon
Yeah, that's gonna be rough on PCs
i see you xD
deft carbon
lol, yep. So many drakes
ocean pawn
if they are real entities eventually it will, and they ain't despawn
silent urchin
https://i.imgur.com/MYfsPm2.mp4 in motion
ocean pawn
oh f
silent urchin
with full nameplates and not just names the lag gets insane
also I can confirm they kill you very fast, they got me earlier when I was trying to get a picture
ocean pawn
the culprit
wanted to get a proper pic after he snaps, with his army following but ran out of patience tbf
silent urchin
Probably not meant to be anything that special as a mob. Could be for a quest or something eventually
I don't think I've seen anything over at the ossuary yet so presumably there is something coming for it
deft carbon
maybe ;) and yep, protodrakes are appeared after cast, so you can kill cube at start
solemn dagger
So uh, taurens can actually be rogues now?
glass flicker
Draenei and Lightforged, too.
There's also orc priests now.
And whichever races couldn't be mages before.
livid walrus
you monster D: (jk ) gj! now we wait to see if it respawns
deft carbon
you monster D: (jk ) gj! now we wait to see if it respawns
yep, it is :) I think there is new horde of protodrakes again xD
dense plover
yep, it is :) I think there is new horde of protodrakes again xD
you made sure to report the problem right?
deft carbon
you made sure to report the problem right?
of course I reported when I saw it first :)
deep pawn
10am, no news post yet
silent urchin
news post about what?
errant prairie
deep pawn
today or tomorrow if prepatch is 10/25
silent urchin
oh right, two week warning?
deep pawn
yeah
ancient jasper
https://i.imgur.com/MYfsPm2.mp4 in motion
That's fuckin' terrifying lol
grizzled idol
https://i.imgur.com/MYfsPm2.mp4 in motion
This thing has been seen for a little while honestly surprised they didnt try fix this as its a real pc killer lol
silent urchin
Yeah.. it was fairly bad just in the area, but getting within about 50-60 yards tanked it much much more
deep pawn
Why would Blizzard do anything with bank holidays in mind
silent urchin
It's a federal holiday in the states. The majority of staff will be off today. Ofc they can schedule posts if they want.
deep pawn
There's holidays the average company does stuff for, and others they don't. Only government stuff and some banks close on this day
Vast majority of workers work today
hell, a lot of us don't even know today is a holiday cause we never get it off
dense plover
Blizz is probably closed because schools are closed
Everyone with kids needs to take care of their kids
deep pawn
hahahaha, no. Maybe it's a work from home day but trust me, growing up my dad NEVER got Columbus Day/Indigenous People's Day off.
Someone's working, They put the profession stuff back and moved the keystone vendor off to the side
Alliance teleporter finally fixed
opaque pewter
It's world mental health day, and a few of us have it off today
crystal pond
Lol I didnt even know this holiday is exist
dense plover
hahahaha, no. Maybe it's a work from home day but trust me, growing up my dad NE...
Did your dad work in software?
It’s absolutely affected by the type of job
White collar jobs are more likely to get the day off on school holidays
silent urchin
and location, although this is actually not one of californias state holidays, apparently
dense plover
Someone's working, They put the profession stuff back and moved the keystone ven...
Wait - profession vendor is back?