beta-ptr-spoilers

[ember blaze]

But on its own it’s meh dmg wise.

[languid yoke]

and it feeling good relies on a proc change for essence surge, your only chance to properly cleave in 2 target

outside of LF after Fire Breath

[mossy meteor]

let's see how beta is like

[ember blaze]

@mossy meteorgrats

[dense plover]

wtf - why everybody but me

[ember blaze]

dragonriding is really fun

[dense plover]

ive been cursed

[mossy meteor]

[livid walrus]

new npcs in org and sw.

[uncut lintel]

cat

[mossy meteor]

poor gnome

[ancient jasper]

They're training him to climb mountains

[dense plover]

^actually this i think

[true agate]

anyone found a fix or away around the #132 error ? only get it on beta. please and thank you.

[austere gazelle]

The quest in Tyr's footsteps part 5 is bugged as hell 😦

[silver copper]

So question, is it possible to do the rotation without Disintigrate?

[austere gazelle]

Even if it is obvious, we may have confirmation that the Refti are the ancestors of the Sethrakk. The Refti were the earthen-like helpers of Tyr

[rain cave]

Where does it mention sethrak

[austere gazelle]

... just connect the dots? Stone sethrakk looking creatures were created by Tyr in the image of the dragons. Not the sethrakk. So, since the Sethrakk are looking exactly the same, but in flesh, there is reason to believe the same happens as every other creations of the titans keepers

[rain cave]

Connect the dots isn't confirmation

[austere gazelle]

ok, I may amend what I said, but it's kinda obvious at this point

[rain cave]

I disagree

[austere gazelle]

fair enough 🙂

[rain cave]

wait so

obviously the centaur and all them were on the dragon isles the whole time

did they just have a really cloudy sky for the entire time?

are they not amazed to finally see a bright clear sky for the first time in 10,000 years

[haughty estuary]

not sure where to say this but, I tried all I could to get access to the Dragonfligth Beta, and guess what, Blizzard gave me access to the Wotlk BETA 4 days before the offical launch, I was like, I did not even try to get access to that beta, not even Tried on their website and nothing, and now I have a beta that I don't want, and as far as I know, no one can help me with this... Thing

[regal heart]

So like there's but a handful of uncorrupted Refti left out there ?

[austere gazelle]

They are not corrupted , those in Tyr's hold are influenced by a proximity beacon that put them on aggressive mode, you have a debuff in there saying you've been flagged as a menace

Those in uldaman are just protecting Tyr's memories

It's the " draconic version" or the Earthen

[regal heart]

Ohhh okay ty

[glad niche]

Been a while since I lurked in here, guessing since I cant find anything on wowhead, we dont have an estimated release date yet beyond the original "on or before December 31st"?

[uncut vault]

There was a leak planting prepatch in late october and xpac release in late November, which so far has been 100% accurate

but nothing official

[glad niche]

nodnod tyty

[dense plover]

Sethrakk were around before the curse of flesh

They’re the creation of a loa, like the trolls

The Refti are much more likely to be based off the sethrakk than the other way around

This is based off the sethrakk being around 16000 years ago

Curse of flesh happened after that

[austere gazelle]

Im not sure its coherent anymore. Refti said that Tyr based them on dragons. So he wasnt inspired by Sethrakk

It might be a case of blizzard 'lazyness' in making a new model from scratch though

[deep pawn]

Or Danuser forgot

[crystal pond]

Probably second one

[dense plover]

^

could also just be coincidence

dragons and snakes look similar

generally speaking

[deep pawn]

And we have the half dragonlike race in Pandaria too that the Mogu made haha

[ionic terrace]

idk if this was seen before

[plain violet]

Ottan Tennoh seem to be a bit incoherent..

[languid yoke]

meanwhile Worgen that last both Gilneas and Teldrassil:

still forgotten by blizz

[plain violet]

Putting it on the dracthyrs seem.. displaced.

[ionic terrace]

good callback

i'm prob late as heck LMAO

[silent urchin]

Drac'thyr have a lot of stuff about learning what happened with deathwing and coming to terms with it

[ionic terrace]

i just don't remember seeing this

[silent urchin]

So it fits fine with their story

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[silent urchin]

stormwind citizens being angry about another new race showing up is kinda overdone at this point, I feel

There's a lot of bits of conversation that show up when you walk near NPCs in that intro to stormwind quest

I suspect I missed quite a few

[ionic terrace]

honestly this quest paired with the lion's rest music is so...

😢

[plain violet]

I do not even have a quest where we heal someone. O_o

When did it appeared?

[ionic terrace]

it's in Lion's Rest

[plain violet]

And exclusive to Alliance, so?

[ionic terrace]

optional

yea

[plain violet]

God. :o

[ionic terrace]

there doesn't seem to be a horde version

[plain violet]

That's.. interesting.

[silent urchin]

A lot of the NPCs from forgotten reach end up in the northwest area of valdrakken, and they have a bunch of conversation about deathwing and visage forms and so on

[ionic terrace]

what happens if you try to go back there btw

i haven't tried yet lol

[silent urchin]

I haven't tried it on a drac'thyr, but on other characters you get hit by a storm debuff, dismounted, and die

[ionic terrace]

prob the same then

[silent urchin]

Given it's actually part of the dragon isles area and not a separate instance, I do feel like we'll go there eventually

[ionic terrace]

yeah

[dense plover]

Its probably blocked because theres story stuff thats left unfinished

my guess is its either endgame story locked, or patch content or post-raid content

im still curious if we actually kill raszageth or not

[silent urchin]

it's a unique debuff/message, not the generic "getting hard to breathe" one

so it's not going to be part of 10.0, I imagine

[dense plover]

it could be

like - part of whatever endgame weekly story probably exists

or again, post-raid

but yeah, its definitely not being abandoned

theres a bunch of work outside the area you can visit during the intro

and the intro version is different than the isles one

the intro one is phased on a separate map

[silent urchin]

It is? huh

[uncut vault]

was this added to their intro to the city?

or is it just a random quest

[plain violet]

Random quest in the city, optionnal, for dracthyrs only.

So far, I am surprised at how many quests dracthyrs got outside the intro.

[dense plover]

forbidden reach solo map

regular map version

there are tiny differences visible on this map

but theyre separate zones so its likely that the phased one wont get anymore changes

afaik, the maps havent been updated since 45480, but that could also just be wow.tools not being properly updated since it isnt maintained anymore

[silent urchin]

The outdoors version probably hasn't had some updates or something. Presumably when we go back it'll be revamped a bunch anyway in ways that wouldn't be easily compatible with it also remaining the starting zone

[dense plover]

theres a good way to check regarding the differences from ingame and wow.tools

do you have beta?

[silent urchin]

yes

[dense plover]

do you mind spending a bunch of time swimming or waterwalking to get somewhere?

if you can check the bottom right corner here - this is off the coast of ohnaran plains

see that largely unfinished area?

if it isnt unfinished, then wow.tools is out of date

[silent urchin]

It was unfinished last build still, haven't been there this build

there's a few other places with broken geometry as well as there

[dense plover]

this specifically

if that side is still smooth, it isnt updated'

i dont think the world has been updated in a few builds because the world changes are probably being worked on separately from the class and bugfix stuff theyre working on

but this is really late to not have a finished map

BfA and SLs had map changes fully finished before beta

excluding a few geometry bugs

but yeah i imagine the world team is working on a separate version of the game since it doesnt need frequent iteration

if only i had access myself 😦

[livid walrus]

when i took the hand of fate quest lol

[silent urchin]

Still some bugged areas for sure. It's not quite like that minimap but there are definitely flat areas, vertical walls, weird segments of different terrain types, and even a full on hole in the world

I think there have been some fixes, I remember seeing a square of seafloor with a sunken ship on it that was actually well above the sea, that seems to have gone

A lot of the coast south of azure span is funky, as are the mountains on the east side of the border between azure span and thaldrazus

I do remember one of the interviews for.. Legion, I think, where they said that all the weird underwater decoration was one of the last things they did, maybe they're anticipating doing something like that again and having the fixes as part of that

no point getting it perfect prematurely if you're doing a bunch of changes later anyway

[austere gazelle]

I went into this area a few hours ago, but I explored only the western part and the north western part

and suprisingly, there is music there xD ( music we already know )

[dense plover]

thats placeholder music

its normal

[austere gazelle]

alright @dense plover , I'll check what you want

this place is a ruined town called Lunedane. I'll go further west

I guess that's the place modified @dense plover

Just a bunch of WIP part

[plain violet]

There is clearly things that will be put here..

[austere gazelle]

I'm more and more inclined to think this will be the place of Teldrassil 2.0

There is the place with the emerald gateway just near it

[plain violet]

I do think it too!

Even if the emerald gateway is well.. a dream portal.

[silent urchin]

I've heard that theory, it feels fairly compelling

Although if it's meant to become a new capital city then it is somewhat weirdly placed

[austere gazelle]

well... on the WM, the size of teldrassil is almost the same size as this... " hole "

[austere gazelle]

dream portal useful enough to ... migrate stuff for point A to B and keep a contact with the Kaldorei land while being afar from it :p

[plain violet]

Yes but the dream portal is for.. druids.

I mean I could see it used for the kaldorei, but the portal by itself is neutral so that would be strange.

Unless the peace installed make more druids coming to the kaldorei new land.

(that would be nice)

[austere gazelle]

considering we used it in legion, its not exclusive to druids

[plain violet]

It is, but we used it for a really particular reason during Suramar questline (unless you want to talk about the raid, but that's still a urgent reason).

Having access to the Emerald Dream can be done, but it's not like just flying to another location, I cannot imagine it being used a just a transport tool for a population.

[mossy meteor]

beta people

what's the pro gamer move for empowered spells

hold and release or tap

[silent urchin]

I think hold and release is better? The final segment is still like half a second long so you want to cancel it a bit early no matter what, afaik

I haven't played with it too much and it's very sensitive to lag which for me is pretty awful due to distance to servers

[mossy meteor]

lmao

and yeah, the lag is oof

i got 300 ms

[silent urchin]

servers are west coast US, afaik, so it's like 130+ from europe even as a best case

[mossy meteor]

yep

they're local hosted in their HQ or nearby afaik

[languid yoke]

wait isn't there a belf DH with similar text

[deep pawn]

I mean. The Horde sorta own half the broken isles, why not let Alliance have part of DF

[mossy meteor]

nelf DH

[languid yoke]

belf

[mossy meteor]

idk i can't tell the difference

[languid yoke]

I love those two NPCs though where's the mechagnome?

[mossy meteor]

wingrest embassy

uhh

near the skinning/LW trainer

[dense plover]

theyre at blizz HQ, yes

i believe the west coast servers are also there

they have a building for the servers

[mossy meteor]

ah got my first beta crash

it's late anyway so i think i'll call it a day

[silent urchin]

Crashes have been bad this week, if anything I think the fix they tried made it worse

[mossy meteor]

i was doing a side quest with the blood elf ... archaeology guy i think

the spin disk one

[silent urchin]

it's not really connected to anything, can be afk in the middle of nowhere and still crash within about 15 minutes

[uncut vault]

hold and release, faster input

[crystal pond]

Forgot to drop it

Im sorry peach, but its just a mood of this chanel 💀

[dense plover]

its accurate

fucking everyone but me

i tried something today - apparently my account still had parental controls even though none of it was enabled

so i got those removed

figured maybe that was a reason?

since it didnt have my DOB on the account

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and apparently twitch giveaways are only DURING the week

which sucks since i work full time

[glass flicker]

Unfortunate. But hey, maybe you've found so many bugs that Blizzard decided to blacklist you with a "He's too powerful" mentality.

[deep pawn]

eh, I made a druid theory guy sad I got in over him, so not only you missing out

[glass flicker]

The what in the what, now?

[marble tiger]

https://i.imgur.com/eMcqnYn.png

[silent urchin]

Eh, not really bothered. It was fucking amazing in shadowlands cause the separate continents were awful

but it takes like two minutes to fly anywhere from valdrakken

[true fjord]

How can I access the dragonflight PTR?

First time ever testing a PTR

And I wanna make my Dragons already and see how close I can make them to look like my actual OCs

[opaque pewter]

I do not think the PTR has the new class. Only closed beta

[true fjord]

Shit

I wanna make a Dracythr already!!! Dx

[deft saffron]

Pre Patch should hit in a few weeks

PTR has the new talent system

[deep pawn]

we're probably about a month away

If you have preordered you'll be able to make an Evoker in pre-patch

[crystal pond]

Why proto whelps looks so cute

[regal heart]

So like proto-dragons are definitely sentient ?

It wasn't all that crystal clear up until now

Do they have a name they use to refer to themselves as a race ?

[charred gyro]

Blizz putting in a dracthyr npc with a shield and not giving evokers a black dragon earth-based tank spec is such a power move

OR a cheeky seed planting 😛

[austere gazelle]

for once, it'd been cool if the shield wasn't an item but something you'd use on your wing, like you protect yourself with an hardened wing

[charred gyro]

Oh, DEFINITELY

[crystal pond]

dragons

Proto-dragons and modern dragons are dragons
Its even was in quest that "A civil war between dragons has to come to an end" or something

[regal heart]

Well "dragon" is the name given to the new race born from proto-dragons who've been altered by the Titans

Why would the proto-dragons use the name of a posterior evolution stage as a reference point for their own name that's dumb

[crystal pond]

In dawn of the aspects half of them just a beasts, half of them a smart beasts
Why you need a name for your race when you dont have even a culture or basic society? It was in quest and DotA where they was seperated to friend and not-friend

They got name for a race when titan thing happen

[wicked rampart]

I see people with black proto drakes, anyone know where to get that manuscript?

or how to change their color lol

[pulsar minnow]

Wrathion/Sabellian reward it from their rep grind

[wicked rampart]

AH, thanks!

[mossy meteor]

is this bugged for anyone else

[silent urchin]

yes

[mossy meteor]

figured so

[ancient jasper]

So no new Blingtron in Shadowlands and now a massive nerf to the Engi expansion traveling item.. Thanks, Blizz. Really appreciate it.

[mossy meteor]

oh shut up

[ancient jasper]

No, I don't believe I will.

[abstract ether]

leave blingtron alone. he is tired.

[livid walrus]

Some are some not it seems.

[regal heart]

Ok, weird

[tropic trail]

Gear now scales up to 60 on Chromie Time, with the best ilvl you can get before 60 at level 59 is ilvl200 from farming Trial of the Champion, The Forge of Souls, Pit of Saron, Halls of Reflection, or any WoD dungeon that has a chance to upgrade the item 26 ilvls from ilvl174 gear. Gear from questing in the world can only upgrade to ilvl170 at best for epic.

[silent urchin]

That seems pretty much as expected. Template characters have been starting at 180. Evokers end up a bit higher, 210 or so, at the end of the starting experience

although that got me to 61

[livid walrus]

😮

[little hound]

Some are wild, some are sentient. Read the Rise of the Aspects novel.

[deep pawn]

beta restarts, probably just crash fixes

[uncut vault]

if i had to wager, the elemental protodragons were probably given their level of sapience and communication via the elements, in the same way the aspects gained it via the titans

[livid walrus]

https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/1574509179519193088

Zorbrix 💙 (@Zorbrix)

Please be gentle to the servers

Please

Likes

173

Twitter · Sep 26, 2022, 9:20 PM

[deep pawn]

I think he means for wrath haha

[silver copper]

God, cant wait to play an evoker

So happy it might be coming out in 4 weeks

[deep pawn]

it's fun

maybe not OP, but it fits the fantasy

[livid ravine]

Doesn't DF come out in November?

[elder otter]

Dunno yet

[deep pawn]

that is a lot of staff

wow

raid testing points to sooner rather than later on release dates but til we get a announcement, I wouldn't book vacation time, even then after SL

[ember blaze]

any signs of a build? 🤔

[dense plover]

this late>

you realize its 11pm right?

blizz is in california

they generally do builds between 1 and 5pm PST

we probably wont see a new build until wednesday or thursday due to wrath classic launch

[uncut vault]

We did see builds tonight though, about five hours ago

so we'll probably get something tomorrow assuming nothing goes wrong

[ember blaze]

that's what i was wondering

i should have phrased it better

did any builds happen today*

[deep pawn]

It's vendor builds you want to see on a Monday since that makes a Tuesday beta build more likely.

[austere gazelle]

it's something they didn't think about. Like dragon isles being named like this while it was part of the mainland prior

[crystal pond]

It was confirmed in one of the quest that they was called different before sundering

[austere gazelle]

interesting ! which quest?

[crystal pond]

But I dont remember what quest, and ofcourse if they didnt removed it

[austere gazelle]

So all my speculations about the placement of this new " continent " were correct then xD

[crystal pond]

I just saw screenshots in Twitter about alpha, and there It was, but I dont gonna found it

[austere gazelle]

That's ok, I'll dig it when I'll have time

[austere gazelle]

I think there is another thing beneath this " aspect gained power thanks to the titans "
Aman'thul is supposed to have show Nozdormu his death. But weren't the titan's supposed to be " dead " at this point in time?

What if the power the dragonflight received weren't coming from the titans.... but the old gods / void who find a way to empower them, thus tricking Nozdormu into showing him is own death so he could subvert it ?
( Making also Nelthrarion more susceptible to corruption, after all, Xal also hinted at the OG possibly being behind Galakrond... )

It's probably not that but I find it really strange that all those aspects received their power like this when the titans were not around anymore ( if my headcanon timeline is correct though )

[silver copper]

Honestly kinda like the theory the great hunger/7th element outside the 6, the creator of the devourers. May be the reason Galakrond became how he was which was why he was so hungry, and it was done because Azeroth was its last line of defense against the hungering serpant

Honestly kinda like it, kinda gives at least some meaning to shadowlands

[crystal pond]

And there there is a quest with kalec and embrace in cata

They was empowered by titans but their power doesn't come directly from titans

[rain cave]

From what I can tell thematically, they've connected light order and death as a single over arcing force

Zereth mortis aesthetics kind of combine it all

So to me I wonder if the inverse is also true

Maybe the light vs
Void origin was like their version of the myths

[uncut vault]

They call themselves the trueborn in Dragonflight

[ocean pawn]

the beta gang does the same, but after seeing play instead of update ;)

[regal heart]

Oh ok ty !!!

[deep pawn]

beta still up but it's early still

[ember blaze]

build on wednesday i guess

[deep pawn]

PTR and Beta both still up

[ocean pawn]

kayle it will update tomorr

unless wotlk

[mossy meteor]

there was an update to beta

[candid ruin]

ptr update

[languid yoke]

still same build tho

[deep pawn]

just hotfixes

[true agate]

Unsure if it's intended but once you get blacksmithing to 25-30 ish you can craft 306 gear for lvl 61. While quests rewards are like 203 or something.

[dense plover]

They updated and then backdated vendor

So we might be waiting a little longer than tomorrow

Something is probably broken

[deep pawn]

I can't imagine they'd be happy raid testing on current build

[dense plover]

might release thursday

or we will see several builds tomorrow

[deep pawn]

depends on how badly they want classes to have most of their bugs fixed for it

[crimson jasper]

deffo gonna be a build these days, last week was Thursday as well and l am sure they'll have a new one for raid testing

[glass flicker]

New wave of keys. Hopefully Peach will get one now.

[deep pawn]

aww, they didn't turn addons back on yet

[sullen dawn]

Still waiting for that Ret paladin rework

😦

[silent urchin]

Seems like there were some more client hotfixes, at least

whether it actually crashes any less, who knows

[silver copper]

Still waiting for a key too

But at least if the leak is true, prepatch is in 4 weeks

I just wanna play a dragon, man

[languid yoke]

and I want to play a dragonman

[silver copper]

Im part of the Rp community, I know that theres gunna be a lot thatll... Make some pretty off characters. I really wanna explore their lore, their literal culture

[austere gazelle]

On thing is certain, you feel a lot more passion in this expack than in Shadowlands

Dev sure had a fun time on Dragonflight

[sullen dawn]

Delay till Ret is fixed lol

Also I feel like evoker spells need to be changed from multicoloured farts into actual fire

But the rest of expansion looking juicy

[silver copper]

Let the paladins suffah

You've been gods for too long apon this land

There needs to be a new pantheon now.

[glass flicker]

Make Arms Warrior shine with the golden light of Odyn.

[sullen dawn]

Tbf I'm maining fury in DF just feels bad leaving my main of 3 expansions to rot

[silver copper]

You have to admit though

Pallies have had a good run

[sullen dawn]

They did

[dense plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=201726/progress-report-uldorus

This was found

It’s very possible 10.1 is going to tie into more titan facilities

And Uldorus is one of the old god facilities mentioned previously

So my theory of old god stuff under the dragon isles is looking more likely

[rain cave]

still convinced it's some remnant of xalatath or somesuch

[dense plover]

That’s actually my theory sort of

That it’s the corpse of the rumored 5th old god

The one that the other 4 killed

If they do that, It doesn’t retcon anything, it just confirms a fan theory

[crystal pond]

I hope they will make underground look cool

[dense plover]

I mean - we’ve only had one truly underground zone- deepholm, and I thought it looked pretty cool. Imagine what they can do without the world limitations they had now that the engine is more capable of height and such

[sullen dawn]

Everybodys theory

[deep pawn]

we know void or light is coming soon and we've seen enough stuff in beta to say void is next

[uncut vault]

I feel like Im the only one hoping there isnt another xpac of old god stuff lol

we've already had our dragon/old god xpac, let em have something else haha

Id much rather the underground zone simply be the effects of Neltharion's madness, not literally old gods

[rain cave]

I think when they do void again, it'll be a different flavour

Just like how sl had really different aesthetics just within death

Different to what we had before

If there's an old god beneath dragon Isles, one that was ravaged by the others

It might be because it was ba different kind

That has a different aesthetic

[dense plover]

I’m more wanting it to be titan stuff not old god stuff

Like - a true research facility with a piece of a dead old god

[rain cave]

The infinite flight have a different aesthetic

[dense plover]

Maybe even still functioning

[rain cave]

Maybe this last old god, potentially xalatath

Are the infinite source

[dense plover]

I don’t think we’ve ever seen a properly functioning titan facility

Yo - that new blue post is great

It’s a compromise that I approve of

You don’t have to re-earn the unlock for the rep, you just need to get a character there who can buy it

That’s 100% fine by me

You would need a character who could use it anyway

[gloomy tangle]

Is the currency account wide/boa?

Or do you need to grind out the currency again? (if there is one)

[silent urchin]

don't think so but supplies are really easy to get right now compared to the cost of stuff

[deep pawn]

beta still up

[crimson jasper]

l actually liked the Underrot design a lot

and it was kinda a old God flavor

[dense plover]

You have to farm it again but it’s easy

Which I think is ok. The rep is the hard part

Having to play on an alt to earn stuff for the alt isn’t unreasonable. What’s unreasonable is asking you to play enough on every alt to get to exalted/max renown to unlock cosmetics you still have to purchase on each character

And they’re not doing that 2nd thing so it’s ok

[uncut vault]

My biggest issue is that it's just not as good of a change as the existing one

and can solely apply for stuff going forward, rather than potentially fixing the rep-gating of past reputations

[deep pawn]

getting a bit late for today even

[ionic terrace]

the leveling realms just went down

[mossy meteor]

build inc

[deep pawn]

woooo

[cunning fossil]

Build Inc bois

[deep pawn]

I finally noticed the backgrounds of all talents are animated

Feels like a bit of a waste

eh, they look better with the artwork at least the glowing part

[deep pawn]

and valdrakken finally down

[dense plover]

I’m hoping the Druid changes finally come in

They showed the tree changes off but we haven’t seen them yet

They’re the last major redesign though I wouldn’t be surprised to see some tree connection stuff still being changed

And maybe I’ll finally get in this week

[ionic terrace]

i'm still hoping for login music

don't tell me that the odds are low, i already know

[mossy meteor]

odds are low

i'm thinking release date tomorrow

[ionic terrace]

[deep pawn]

Max kept talking about how he thinks release date is this week and that's why they suddenly put that post out last week cause word came from on high that they had to switch to making sure everything works

[mossy meteor]

well

i think it's tomorrow

[uncut vault]

I wouldnt bet on it, but it seems like a good move since the general blizzard PR will be all on Overwatch next week

[dense plover]

i think it would make more sense to do the week after overwatch 2

they usually announce prepatch 2 weeks before

assuming the leaked dates are correct

[deep pawn]

depends on how much warning they want to give on the season end but they technically did pre-warn about KSM going away

interestingly the ptr isn't down

perhaps cause beta is more important for raid testing

[mossy meteor]

build is out!

@ionic terrace

[deep pawn]

for real?

[errant prairie]

yeah

[ember blaze]

get to work dataminers 😎

💅

[mossy meteor]

big boy

[dense plover]

1 music

[ionic terrace]

cinematic

[dense plover]

https://wow.tools/casc/preview/chash?buildconfig=6679f8f513f4cb57e33f77c3c5deb21a&cdnconfig=37b4c8ae8339161bbde4ad9ee755ab6d&filename=interface%2Fcinematics%2Fdragonflight_100_di.mp3&contenthash=24ca84e2f2f276d746d2ff760e44f205

its from the launch cinematic

theyre implementing the launch cinematic

there might be more

wow.tools isnt finished reading/processing

there are a bunch of unk (unknown) files

[ionic terrace]

well i can say that the login music isn't implemented yet, even if it's in 😛

[ember blaze]

Any tier sets?

[crimson jasper]

seemingly yes?

stuck at work so hard to get all the info xD

[mossy meteor]

maybe maybe not

realms are still down

[ember blaze]

arcane managed to find theirs

but apparently it might not be intended to be shown yet

[ionic terrace]

[deep pawn]

lots of staff on at least

[ionic terrace]

@mossy meteor

🦆

[mossy meteor]

quack

[dense plover]

theyre adding proper controller binding

[deep pawn]

shiny

[dense plover]

also there is another mp3 file

its 4mb

but its either still processing on wow.tools or is broken or something

looks like theyre adding objective tracker hud editing

" RETURNING_PLAYER_PROMPT We haven't seen you in a while!|n|nWould you like to be teleported to your capital city, %s?"

"49820 BATTLEGROUND_YOUR_PERSONAL_RATING Your Matchmaking Value: %s 1
49821 BATTLEGROUND_MATCH_AVERAGE_RATING Match Average Matchmaking Value: %s"

"49834 CHAR_CREATE_DEATHKNIGHT_DUPLICATE You can't have more than one Death Knight on this realm 2
49835 CHAR_CREATE_DEATHKNIGHT_LEVEL_REQUIREMENT You must have an existing character of at least level 55 on any realm to create a Death Knight."

looks like some form of DK restriction is being reintroduced?

[mossy meteor]

ehh

i don't see why they would do that

[dense plover]

"UNLEARN_SKILL Do you want to unlearn %s, and lose all associated recipes? Your specialization knowledge will remain should you choose to return to this profession.|n|nType "UNLEARN" into the field to confirm."

[deep pawn]

they halved most of the profession racial nerfs

Bleh

[dense plover]

profession specialization knowledge isnt lost when switching

[deep pawn]

I guess 10 extra skill points in this new system was probably OP

[deep pawn]

Obsidian Citadel?

[mossy meteor]

quest

[dense plover]

S1 pvp mount

[mossy meteor]

its uh

the first zone

so probably alt story skips being introduced

[dense plover]

you can buy the vorquin in valdrakken as well now

[deep pawn]

bleh, I wanted just straight up Threads of Fate again

[uncut vault]

neat little talent thing, wonder what itll be for

[candid ruin]

best update yet

[dense plover]

"Primal Elements: Badlands"

"Primal Elements: Northern Barrens"

"Primal Elements: Tirisfal Glades"

"Primal Elements: Un'Goro"

prepatch zones revealed

[candid ruin]

omg POG

[deep pawn]

That's some horde favoritism.

[dense plover]

all the descriptions are similar to this: "Primalists are calling forth an air elemental in hopes to ravage all of Azeroth!" just switch out the element

[dense plover]

there might end up being more zones

[deep pawn]

No blue post yet, hopefully it's stable

[dense plover]

the grim summoner raid wing has been renamed

"Caverns of Infusion"

new map

" Huftopia"

this might be another test map or something

also they named the sea around the isles

so there are probably a ton of changes to the areas on the outside

[uncut vault]

Those were in the first alpha build, surprised its just those four

Expected some equivalent to barrens closer to alliance territory to be added

[dense plover]

looks like vault of the incarnates will be giving a custom drake appearance under the "full transformation" option

like the pvp option

there appear to be 4 new drakthyr customizations

or dragon customization

[uncut vault]

oh damn, nice

[dense plover]

hard to tell

storm-eater might be the vault thing i mentioned

since crimson gladiator is also here

but the other 2 are hard to say

[deep pawn]

if there's no m+ this build I'm sad

[mossy meteor]

i mean

the focus is on the raid

[deep pawn]

it's gonna be a hard sell getting people to test m+ as much when pre-patch is out so we have 4 weeks

[mossy meteor]

that leaves out 4 builds

[deep pawn]

after this one, just 3

and raid testing looks likely to end around the time we get release builds

[deep pawn]

niiiiice

[uncut vault]

oh thank god, they changed the colors of the dragonriding UI

filled ones are blue now instead of white

[deep pawn]

heaven help us if servers don't come up tonight, 6pm and no blue post yet

[mossy meteor]

Probably finishing touches

They know it's a raid testing weekend which is very important

[deep pawn]

f5'ing hoping for the build notes

[candid ruin]

📣 servers up

[dense plover]

hey can someone take a pic of balance tree?

wowhead isnt updated

[dense plover]

also if you can check if stellar drift still exists and where it is, i would appreciate it

[uncut vault]

based on the two drake glyphs added, seems like thye might be full body transformations

[dense plover]

this makes sense yeah

its a customization to look like raszageth i think

lesser dragonkin taming DOES require a book

these two are cool

wonder why one is level 45

but yeah, i need a screenshot of the balance druid tree and a check for stellar drift

blue post

[deep pawn]

how did they break runeforging more

[dense plover]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-beta-development-notes/1278546/14

yo

rez sickness changes

[ionic terrace]

they also broke selling to vendors

[candid ruin]

1min rez sick W

[dense plover]

more durability loss but can get back in the game

[upper pasture]

With those totem changes one can only hope for THE totem change we want

[dense plover]

THEY REMOVED STELLAR DRIFT

"Stellar Drift – Removed.
Improved Moonfire – Removed.
Blessing of An’she – Removed.
Blessing of Elune – Removed.
Precise Alignment – Removed.
Fury of the Skies – Removed.
Improved Starsurge – Removed."

worst talents gone

[ionic terrace]

hm

they are an actual rep now

[dense plover]

im not sure i like that

[gloomy tangle]

They added snap to grid in edit mode

[dense plover]

THEY ADDED SNAP YES

[dense plover]

confirmed

cool

can you see what it looks like?

[ionic terrace]

no 😦

[dense plover]

what a good fucking build tho

worst druid talents gone

snap 2 grid

im so excited

[ionic terrace]

void storage and mogs

idk if they were in

[dense plover]

woah

loot changes

need/greed is back

[deep pawn]

that better just be for testing not forced

[dense plover]

its the current plan for raid

[deep pawn]

I don't want to try and make sure I have one of each armor/weapon type when I pug

[dense plover]

but also you can trade personal loot stuff within a group without restrictions

[dense plover]

i think theyll do something like FFXIV

roll limits

" While inside Vault of the Incarnates, Group Loot will be the only method of loot distribution. There is no option to select for yourself or your group to return to Personal Loot.
Some items, like professions reagents may still use Personal Loot where appropriate.
Need & Greed UI will return, and we’ll be monitoring feedback to make the rules around when and how players can roll on items be as intuitive as possible."

[deep pawn]

No, I'm sorry, but I don't want to have to bring a sin/sub rogue to EVERY raid

[dense plover]

you wont?

i think you can still roll on stuff for other specs

[deep pawn]

Sorry, every time I kill a boss that drops agi daggers

[ionic terrace]

[deep pawn]

Group loot means loot from the ENTIRE table drops regardless of raid comp

[dense plover]

we dont know that actually

its still 100% possible that if no one can equip stuff, it wont drop

[deep pawn]

That's not what Ion said, but that's months ago

[dense plover]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/changes-experiments-to-raid-rewards-in-dragonflight-season-1/1352473

[deep pawn]

they're gonna have to clarify real fast

[dense plover]

100% agree

[deep pawn]

cause forced group loot means raiding is gonna suck for smaller groups barring a ton of other changes they said they didn't plan on doing

[dense plover]

im hoping they dont do group loot for lfr too

i dont want to deal with that disaster

[dense plover]

i hope they make the frostwyrm a full transformation in DF

[glass flicker]

Hope the warrior class mount makes it as a dragonriding appearance.

I didn't do that campaign for nothing.

[uncut lintel]

no personal loot

[ionic terrace]

SL chromie time is sort of in

[uncut lintel]

in raids

what

r they joking

[uncut lintel]

how am i supposed t o gear when everyone with gold or leader is needing on loot in raids

???

[ionic terrace]

but it's still not selectable at chromie

[dense plover]

omg

new balance tree is fucking amazing

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/druid/balance/DAQFFQVQcAZhUEQxBQQBUNUZhEVUYVFREUUCRQ

look at this bonkers shit\

convoke+, new moon+. and i summon a faerie dragon?

this is going to get nerfed somehow

could maybe switch light of the sun for the 2nd level of umbral intensity b/c dmg

[ionic terrace]

didn't there used to be a cart here

or was that removed at some point lol

[upper pasture]

By also selecting need. I mean yeah your odds will be shit but so was personal loot odds rolling randomly who gets a “reward”

[uncut lintel]

ugh

[upper pasture]

‘mid-tier walls’ like Halondrus. pft he was the final boss and we all know it

[uncut lintel]

yea right and get kicked from raid bcuz u didnt trade it

id rather loot personal

and not being able to trade it

than this greed need stuff

cuz ppl can just need on every item so

[upper pasture]

you won it fair and square, personal loot sucks

[dense plover]

still no beta - at this point unless someone gives me a key, i dont think im getting in

[uncut lintel]

u shouldnt have to win anything in raids tbh, everyone works in a raid to get the boss down so why doesnt everyone get loot

[upper pasture]

you wont be able to need on things you can't use i'd bet just like the old system

because gear bloat.

[uncut lintel]

its bullshit bloat

[upper pasture]

also with craft being able to craft end game gear you'll need less out of raids too

[uncut lintel]

then wuts the point of raids

if u can get it in m+ and crafting

[upper pasture]

to play the game

[uncut lintel]

idk i think its just stupid

they already ruining dragonflight

[dense plover]

ok i see part of their logic with trying to avoid stacking stuff for buffs

but i think loot shouldnt drop that no one can use

and i think they might want to go the FFXIV route of limiting per run or per week rolls

[upper pasture]

yes, i'm fine with this loot change as long as it's smart loot and doesn't drop something for say like a priest only when there's zero priests in the raid

[deep pawn]

I have beta but I can't post in the beta forums, weird

Blizzard already posted they're okay with non-smart loot

[dense plover]

yeah im hoping they change that

[deep pawn]

No, just don't break something that already works for casual groups and pugs.

It's that simple

Blizzard just loves doing the hard way

[upper pasture]

also, i'm sure this concern for ninjas and what not will be an offense on the social contract and if people abuse it they will likely see themselves banned

[deep pawn]

How? Would rolling on an item that's a minor upgrade or transmog "break the contract?"

Blizzard's rules so far have been if you won the loot it's yours to do with as you please

[upper pasture]

oh wait this isn't loot council

but i'm sure if you rolled on something and then get removed from the group because "you won't trade it to someone else" then you get removed from the group that could be something blizzard might look into if enough tickets get filed against someone

[deep pawn]

And hey, this means pug leaders aren't gonna invite anyone who shares their loot anymore. 😄

RIP any warrior, dk, pally friends of Asmon

[upper pasture]

i mean, unless they make it a smart loot system that makes drops based on the group, then we'd see leaders stacking groups in their class favor

but hey one can dream. i just don't want to see drops get DE'd on the sole fact that noone can use said item

[deep pawn]

Unless Blizzard sees that as our punishment for asking for group loot back(Something I've been against the entire time)

[upper pasture]

idk, actually looting the boss and seeing the loot there is a lot more fulfilling than smacking the boss until it's dead and seeing purple text pop up for others and not you.

[deep pawn]

It never made a difference to me.

I just liked less drama and knowing anything that dropped could at least be equipped by the group

[upper pasture]

yes, but was it loot that went to somewhere it was needed or to the uber geared person who just vendors it because "its mine why should i give it to someone who needs it"

[deep pawn]

That's gonna happen now, that person is just gonna need it cause "I could use the gold"

or "enchant mats"

[upper pasture]

and i know that's not always the case but it happens. yes but your group will pick up on them always needing loot they don't need and they'd likely confront them if they are a guild or static group and ask whats up and why they do this. possibly losing their raid slot if it keeps up

i wouldn't want someone who is intentional handicapping the raid group because they need their 200g from a raid drop

[deep pawn]

I don't always run in a guild.

[upper pasture]

and that's your choice

[deep pawn]

It'll be hard to convince people you may never see again to play nice

[upper pasture]

sorta but that's where the social contract comes in

[deep pawn]

Like I'm not a jerk, but I know a lot of people are so I don't want to try and guess if this random person from Ysera is a nice player or not

[upper pasture]

you get someone doing this enough and admitting to it or alluding to it enough if they get enough marks against them in game they'd likely see a timeout

[deep pawn]

That would require Blizzard to change their rules about loot and that sounds like more customer service work then they'd like to do

As it stands "If you win loot it is yours to do with as you please"

[upper pasture]

you think someone who does this enough to get a week ban will be willing to risk another week ban for 20g?

200g

[deep pawn]

As it stands it's not against ToS to keep loot

and it won't be to need on loot you can need on

Cause it isn't in wrath currently

This change just removes so much goodwill I had towards DF and I swear to god if they dare add this to m+ I will just unsub

[upper pasture]

were literally talking about two different situations

solo "lone wolf" type gamers aren't going to care about what someone whispers to them about how they "need" the drop more than them and if they can sleep at night just needing everything in sight and vendoring it then that's on them

[deep pawn]

"Our guild runs with 12-13 players for the typical raid. We have quite a few classes who are not represented at all, because no one in the guild wants to play them.

As the person who manages recruiting, which is already enough of a PITA - I really don’t want to have to start recruiting people to fill gaps in the roster just so loot doesn’t rot. That strikes me as a really bad reason to recruit someone." There's a ton of guilds like this, I dare say they outnumber the number of people who raid mythic

[upper pasture]

but social gamers who are in guilds and actually want to form bonds with their groups might feel differently about it

[dense plover]

i honestly agree that loot no one in the raid can use SHOULDNT drop

im not inherently against need/greed

i AM if junk loot can happen

[deep pawn]

As it stands, Scariizard sees this as encouraging people to diversify their raids

which is just such a trash take in 2022

especially as long as they support flex raiding as a concept

[dense plover]

this is the take blizzard has

like pretty much word for word

they will have time to act on feedback

i think ALL of the other changes are good though

the BoE changes, the personal loot changes, the ilvl changes, and the unique loot stuff

i think if they get rid of the junk loot i am ok with need/greed too

i dont love personal loot in a raid setting

[deep pawn]

I do as someone who doesn't run with a guild much so I'm basically raiding with 9-20 random people.

[dense plover]

i want to see how it plays out over the next week or two on beta

[deep pawn]

people don't raid test to kill bosses

[dense plover]

they might change it to only be for guild groups or predominantly guild groups

[deep pawn]

Maybe, but this just reeks of arrogance on their part.

Also, at the very end

SL raids are gonna use group loot for pre-patch

[crimson jasper]

people that didn't want to already didn't share their personal loot, upgrade or 200g,the same people won't share their loot they rolled for

effectively the change won't affect that mindset

[uncut lintel]

not related to the convo but hi shuja

[crimson jasper]

if anything it gives you more possible chances of loot you could rolls for instead of whispering a guy for his personal loot

hey there foksi

[uncut lintel]

whoa

now when u put it lioke that

[crimson jasper]

Also it gets rid of "l dont need it but can't trade it cause 1ilvl higher" l haaated that

[uncut lintel]

no more fully geared people from boosters getting gear they obvisouly wont use

[uncut lintel]

bro blizzard was so stupid adding this shit

[crimson jasper]

l had that a lot

cause l always get items for my Lego slot

[uncut lintel]

💀

[crimson jasper]

but Lego ilvl didn't count

[uncut lintel]

im so glad theres no legos in dragonflgiht og myhod

[uncut lintel]

YEA THAT WAS BS

[crimson jasper]

so l got trash technically someone else would have needed

maybe a Lego evoker weapon tho at some point pls xd

but yea overall l think the loot distribution change will if anything be positive

even to pugs

[deep pawn]

Make personal loot tradeable rather than introduce the chance you can get loot no class in your raid can equip

[crimson jasper]

that's not what the loot distribution is about, that's a whole other topic, which yes blizz seems to want to keep, although it does give incentive to have every class on the raid team

smart loot could still be a thing tho despite being not "personal" loot anymore

l'll be happy to try tho, gimme those silly bows l dont need xD

[deep pawn]

except Ion and now Scariizard have doubled down on you hating every time an agi dagger drops after your 1 rogue has 2

[errant prairie]

I do love me some tmog

[crimson jasper]

mhh tbh l think it's fine, in a way and yes it sounds stupid, it kinda gets that rpg feel in a little

don't know how to explain it

[deep pawn]

This just has so much more negatives that plusses so far so I hope Blizzard reconsiders or just say they hate small guilds

[crimson jasper]

that's way exaggerating

the thing is, everyone always only wants rewards

but like, l dont play for rewards, l play cause l have fun playing the game

[deep pawn]

When a 10m group gets 2 pieces of loot per boss, having a boss drop an item that no one in the group can EVEN EQUIP will just be a negative experience.

[crimson jasper]

play with my guild mates, hell if you get 10 unusable bows in a row that'll make for a great guild meme xD

same as when the boss drops a duplicate now with personal loot, or loot that can't be traded cause ilvl

there's nothing really optimal, but ofc there's always improvements

btw @uncut lintel sorry for our strange hissy fit argument we had a good while ago for idk what reason, guess it was just a bad day, luckily it seems like you had a good time tho in the meantime, good to see that things go well

[uncut lintel]

💀 nah its ok
i literally dont even remember what it was abt
ive argued with almost everyone here
so apologies if anything i said was bad

also ty

[crimson jasper]

yea l dont remember what it was about anymore myself, some disagreement, l just tend to cuss sometimes and regret it later xD

gamers do be cringe, but l'd rather argue over loot than politics or something

least game shit is harmless

[uncut lintel]

the how to train your dragon themes in this xpac

[glass flicker]

DreamWorks reference.

Nice.

[uncut lintel]

-crfying of childhood-

-sobs-

[crimson jasper]

isn't the hunter book to tame lesser dragonkin actually called that too?

oh am stupid

[errant prairie]

we've all been there

[crimson jasper]

it sais it in the ss, l only looked at the name of the renown

[opaque pewter]

Loot on boss will feel nice again

(super late I know lol)

[deep pawn]

you mean for the one person who actually loots the boss?

I don't even look at that, on wrath I only see what pops up to need/pass

[dense plover]

so the renown menu is seethrough?

do we have dragonriding talent art yet>

[uncut vault]

still PH for talent tree

[opaque pewter]

Just the rolling feeling really. I can see why some people won't care for it, but that's pretty much any single aspect of anything really lol

[deep pawn]

Clicking X on loot that's not for my spec, so engaging. 😄

[opaque pewter]

Yes lol

[cunning fossil]

@dense plover
https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1575394288468459520?t=pVxY56g2iffDOQhs77CO0A&s=19

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Snap to grid has finally been added to the UI Editor in Dragonflight

Twitter · Sep 29, 2022, 7:57 AM

SNAP TO GRID FINALLY

[lucid oyster]

omg FINALLY!! That was the one thing that really bothered me. So glad they added that!!

[cunning fossil]

Starsurge is now instant cast for all specializations.

Let's goo

[silver copper]

Oh thats sexy

[tropic trail]

Hi guys!! Sorry for the random question. Have anyone stayed at a long queue? Have you done any random thing while you're waiting?

[lucid oyster]

how come you posted your question here AND in the #no-wow-discussion channel? maybe you can keep it in just the off-topic? Doesn't seem like a specific alpha/beta question.

[true agate]

hmm dont know if i like the new loot system tbh. i feel gonna make lot of drama

[silver copper]

So question

Has the voice lines for the new races been added to them yet on the characters

[silver copper]

26 days til Evokers

[crystal pond]

Only for npc
But not for pc

Still waiting for dracthyr jokes

[signal bone]

are the boomkin changes on the ptr?

[dense plover]

Not yet

No ptr build

Probably today or tomorrow

[dense plover]

Can anyone take a full pic of the renown menus, assuming it isn’t Placeholder? Also how is the menu accessed out in the world? Still the covenant button or is it new art?

Finally can someone check the area near the south of Ohnaran plains like I asked last build - curious if they made the changes I think they did

[deep pawn]

I'm not playing the levelling realms

but I'll take a screenshot of renown

took a view, only feedback I'd have is you can't go back to summary yet

[dense plover]

What is wild arcana?

[deep pawn]

eh?

sounds like darkmoon card thing

[crystal pond]

This maked me laught
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/quest=72365/test-learn-to-spend-talent-points

[dense plover]

I think it’s something to do with the cobalt assembly

There’s strings I just have no context

[crystal pond]

Its a wild magic thing
In azure vault sindragosa saying that her son was doing something with wild magic and he start becoming Crystal dragon

[dense plover]

Also that menu looks great - it’s cool that you get a bar per level instead of milestone stuff

I assume it stays 1k per level or increases at specific intervals?

[dense plover]

What’s the significance of it? There’s some strings relating to talents or powers or picking a wild arcana and gaining benefits doing stuff with the assembly

Is that their endgame activity?

[crystal pond]

Well wild magic is really powerful but uncontrolable

[dense plover]

They changed the silver dragon tip to explicitly say “a star beneath its portrait” so silver dragon is gone for good

[silent urchin]

Wild Arcana are the torghast esque powers that mobs in the cobalt assembly area can leave behind on death

[dense plover]

Just randomly? Is there a talent system, because some of the strings I see are things like “wild arcana give more options” and stuff like that

[silent urchin]

Yeah there's some upgrades you can get

a bunch of the factions have some sort of upgrade system

[dense plover]

Yeah I just haven’t seen much of the cobalt assembly one

[silent urchin]

good news, they seem to have fixed the client crash issue

now the server is doing it

there seems to be a bunch of cobalt assembly stuff that's still locked

[dense plover]

Tuskarr have fishing, centaur have hunting and the dragonscale have some exploration stuff

[deep pawn]

So right now all proto-drakes at least in Stormwind have a constant dragon riding wind rush sounds even when on the ground

[dense plover]

I’m kinda hoping cobalt assembly ends up being some kind of torghast 2.0 since they aren’t doing what I thought they were with the bronze dragon area

[silent urchin]

Yeah, it's everywhere

it gets more intense when you're flying faster

but I guess they didn't put a minimum speed on it

[deep pawn]

it's only proto-drakes

other mount types including drakes don't have it

[dense plover]

Wonder if it’s tied to the storm dragon proto drake full transformation?

Maybe they didn’t tie the stuff to the right thing?

[silent urchin]

oh, yeah not sure about proto drakes, that sounds like a bug

it's meant for dragonflying

https://i.imgur.com/Zke87X2.png

[dense plover]

Can you take pics of each ability or write the names down?

I haven’t seen these because they’re not in the same db2 as the others and I don’t know where to find them

If you don’t want to spam, you can stick the pics in a thread or something

[deep pawn]

So MrGM has seen that alt levelling is in place.

Once you complete the story the first time, other chars will have an improved threads of fate unlocked

you can do the story zones in any order and have WQs unlocked

[dense plover]

That is much better than SLs

Do you also get to see the side quests on the zone map?

[deep pawn]

I think so?

[fringe bison]

Hi, is there any plan to update your addon for beta ? it's triggering too much error : ' )

[dense plover]

#wowhead-feedback-support

And probably not

Beta isn’t going to last much longer and the client is the important thing

[fringe bison]

Ok 👌 Thanks I will remove it for the time being so

[silent urchin]

A lot of map icons have been a bit buggy. I'm pretty sure they're intended to show on the map but mostly haven't been added yet

[deep pawn]

so one person who's in support of group loot is the only DH in their raid, yeah I get that weapons can be hard to get in raids cause you're needing to win two rolls, but group loot just is a negative experience for the raid as a whole cause what happens when you get two war glaives and they keep dropping, do they replace you with someone who could use it? 😄

but that ignores that DHs can use swords and others too though

[errant prairie]

i am just rdy to re-live this:

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1078943.jpg?maxHeight=350

(jk i am not)

[deep pawn]

with no DE option too. 😛

[silent urchin]

Group loot probably wastes fewer slots than personal loot

[errant prairie]

Selling DE for 100g per items

[deep pawn]

It's wasting different slots

[silent urchin]

Shit that every class gets like rings or cloaks is so much more likely to drop on any boss that has them

[deep pawn]

blizzard has had years to decide to weight rings and cloaks differently if they wanted

[silent urchin]

tend to fill out those slots very quickly and then you waste like 2 drops each week almmost guaranteed

[deep pawn]

Hell they still might drop more often than other things

[silent urchin]

tbh with set conversion and crafting as bad luck protection, it feels like things should be better

even if it's stupidly complicated

[deep pawn]

I don't know. I'm just really against any system that if I'm setting up a pug run would encourage me to exclude ANYONE who shares my loot spec rather than seeing that as a potential bonus.

[silent urchin]

I'm pretty sure this change is mostly to kill off splits to an extent

[deep pawn]

Don't make changes that affect everyone to limit the 0.1%

That is horrendous game design

[gloomy tangle]

I wonder if it's going to be group loot in LFR too

[opaque pewter]

Just a reminder that many things are done and released in order
It's likely always been in the plan but in lower priority because in software, we can ship things partially, and still working

[deep pawn]

If you can find a way to gather up 25 people on beta at 60 you can test LFR now

Group loot was added to shadowlands raids on beta

[silent urchin]

If you can stay connected for more than 5 minutes

[deep pawn]

I've had no issues on Valdrakken

[cunning fossil]

So what's happening bois

[candid ruin]

Nov 28th 2022

[mossy meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANuDDQTNKY

yep

[silent urchin]

Week of December 12: Normal, Heroic, and Mythic Vault of the Incarnates will open with the weekly maintenance for each region```

mythic alongside normal and heroic

Cross-faction Mythic Vault of the Incarnates will be available from the start. Hall of Fame entries will require at least 16 out of 20 raiders to be from the same guild and faction to be eligible for rewards.

[mossy meteor]

nice

[silent urchin]

M+ rotation confirmed, along with affixes For Season 1, we're introducing a new affix, but the Necrotic and Inspiring affixes won't be making an appearance. More information on this new affix will be released at a later date.

[zealous basalt]

huh so was the leak real?>

[deep pawn]

well yeah, we've had a lot of evidence towards that

[dense plover]

Did they confirm prepatch

Also that 100% means raiding over the holidays

[gloomy tangle]

Haven't seen a prepatch date yet

[dense plover]

Goddamnit blizz

[deep pawn]

No prepatch date

Leak suggest a 4 week one and we know Evokers are coming in the middle of it

[uncut lintel]

its probably gonna be october all month

or october and some in november

[deep pawn]

Nah, we're nowhere close to going live on ptr, so 4 weeks at least

They haven't announced prepatch incase they can't get it ready to go and have to push it back a week.

[uncut lintel]

im scared for m+

new affix dont be key destroying plz

[pulsar minnow]

Well the leak was 100% accurate about 11/28/2022.
So 10/25/2022 for prepatch

[silent urchin]

can't be worse than necrotic/inspiring

[deep pawn]

I'm sure 10/25 is what they want!

[uncut lintel]

how did that person get everything right

they worked in blizzard no way they didnt

[deep pawn]

But prepatch can be shifted back if there's an issue

[pulsar minnow]

Because it was an official document that listed all upcoming releases

Also that music in the trailer gah damn

[uncut lintel]

i want the dragonflight reveal trailer music

but noooo

doesnt exist

[crystal pond]

Why wrathion have an old model in trailer when he having a new one

[pulsar minnow]

Idk. I think they might just do what they did with Thrall in SL and just throw in his new model in like 10.1

[livid walrus]

it has a quest which at the end you get it as a pet!

[crystal pond]

Its a facehugger

[livid walrus]

yea

[uncut lintel]

why is it cute

[dense plover]

Just checking - crab goes away with expac not prepatch right?

[uncut lintel]

im not sure cnat remembe :<

[pulsar minnow]

Expac

https://blizzardwatch.com/2022/08/02/wow-season-4-aotc-mount-available/

[dense plover]

Yes

I just unlocked the raid but I don’t meet min ilvl

Gonna push to just break into 230 then try for friendship crab

I don’t want to miss an end expac AOTC mount when I’ve had all the ones since WoD

[uncut lintel]

ur only 230 ilvl?

[upper pasture]

pretty surew peach like just resubbed not too long ago (well was gifted a sub)

[dense plover]

229

Yeah only partial sub and I don’t like ZM

[uncut lintel]

why not just buy a boost

with gold ofc

if u want it that bad

[upper pasture]

some people don't endorse buying anything foxy

[uncut lintel]

but

everything costs money

[dense plover]

I mean - friendship XYZ has worked perfectly in the past

And there’s plenty of time

[errant prairie]

AH also have 233 crafted gear, and 262 (only one) crafted item you could buy.

[dense plover]

Yeah but I’m one WQ away

Why waste gold

[deep pawn]

I bricked my Evoker cause I zoned out of the raid

He's not stuck falling through the world in Thald

I wonder if there's any way to force a hearth without having to recraft all my gear haha

[dense plover]

The help menu and pressing stuck or doing so from the character creation menu maybe?

Also the creation catalyst equivalent being delayed - idk what to think about that

[deep pawn]

later is vague

it better be like week 3

[upper pasture]

honestly, it's not the end of the world when you think of it being a catch up mechanic for creating slots if it's like a month into the season that's okay

[deep pawn]

Blizzard said they LEARNED the delay on charges in S3 felt horrible

so what are they doing?

[upper pasture]

but not the end of the world it not being up day 1

[deep pawn]

I'm on the side that 4-6 weeks to unlock 4p is ideal bad luck protection

closer to 4 is best honestly

[warm shore]

is the new work order system for dragonflight stuff only or is it gonna be for everything?

[upper pasture]

Probably only dragonflight stuff?

[warm shore]

unfortunate if that's the case. Could of breathed new life into old world BOP mogs and other things

[upper pasture]

would be a lot of work for items noone is going to buy

[silent urchin]

Appears to be dragonflight stuff only, although not exactly functional yet

[opaque pewter]

The plan is indeed DF-only

[dense plover]

Considering you can only do a certain number of work orders and can only hold on to it for 2 hours or so at most, it wouldn’t make much sense for old world stuff

[upper pasture]

i think if the catalyst being delayed until the start of the raid would be the best option. you get to start your charges the week the raid starts so if you we missing any tier pieces you can start to plan for which ones you'll be converting

[dense plover]

It’s being delayed until AFTER S1 starts

It wouldn’t be any use before that

[upper pasture]

ohhh

[dense plover]

It requires drops from S1 content

Week 3-4 makes sense to me

[upper pasture]

true true, eh i still think a month tops would still be okay

[dense plover]

RtWF should be done by then

My guess is it will drop either week 3 or once RtWF is over

[upper pasture]

i mean at the end of the day it was a bad luck protection/catch up for alts not how you're supposed to gear right out the gate

[dense plover]

I think being able to run 3 raids worth of content is enough to have a weekly guaranteed tier piece

FFXIV is two weeks per piece on average

[crimson jasper]

hard agree on that one dragon man

[deep pawn]

if it's week 3 or 4 it better start with multiple charges

but I'm on team 4 weeks for 4p feels best

[silent urchin]

Ideally just no charge system at that point

[dense plover]

Idk I think that’s really fast - how many times do you need to kill bosses to get teleports?

[deep pawn]

Most people will be done with a season in 6-8 weeks

So 4 at least let's them get some fun with the 4p

The world first guilds will all have 4p week 1

[dense plover]

No they won’t

Mythic and normal launch the same day

[deep pawn]

With group loot they 100% will, 3 raid difficulties they'll get it

[dense plover]

RtWF starts day 1 of raising

They’re going to be trying to push that

[deep pawn]

They'll do first couple bosses then go to heroic splits. Especially if tier is as strong as s3

[proper palm]

They have add so many NPC in stormwind, it's so cool

[opaque pewter]

It won't be the exact same. They admitted that the way that it was done for SL was a little too fast/free and would need have it revised

[uncut vault]

Dragon Soul PTSD is kicking in

[opaque pewter]

My hunch is that at the very least, the loot conversion system will have something to require you to defeat the boss that drops the set before you can get it. Perhaps a currency like 3-4 kills and you unlock it

[upper pasture]

i mean it's really not that different from personal loot you just get to see the rolls with the need/greed system and you have someone to be mad at other than the "random RNG god"

that is barring the fact that if they fix the issue of loot dropping noone can use

[opaque pewter]

It adds that missing bit of tangibleness yeah.

[uncut vault]

that last part is exactly the issue though

it's an unneeded layer of toxicity that's been avoided in LFR since MoP changed it

having group loot as an option for raids again is fine, good even, but having it as the only option for LFR/pugs will just lead to toxicity

[upper pasture]

i mean, personal loot hasn't stopped people from getting upset whenever i won something and they wanted it.

there will always be those people

[silent urchin]

yeah pugs find a way to be toxic no matter what

[uncut vault]

That doesnt mean changing things to make it easier to be toxic is a good thing

[upper pasture]

and social contract will make these people get banned for being toxic

[gloomy tangle]

As someone who does LFR as Ret but normally has my loot spec as Prot, I’m dreading this change. It’s one thing to get a shield via personal loot and reply to a DM from the tank saying I need it, than to roll need and win it over him. I know behind the scenes that’s what’s possibly happening with personal loot but this is just going to be a toxic fest.