beta-ptr-spoilers

[cunning fossil]

that isn't a solid excuse

[rain cave]

Yeah we've known there's renown in df since the reveal pretty much

Dks, priests, hunters are way easier

As we've seen in their trees

[cunning fossil]

Use being able to see their trees doesn't matter Saint.

[rain cave]

Mage is just a very mechanical class

The specs are built on a very specific rotation and loop

All Mage specs are like machines

With bespoke parts

Whereas look at fury warrior historically

[cunning fossil]

while that is true. I am not suggesting that fire suddenly give up its main mechanic just so that we get more balance spec tree

[rain cave]

Smack shit with enrage buff

[cunning fossil]

buit 2 talents
2 out of 38 possible talents to have at your disposal

like

[rain cave]

I think adding a bit more stat stuff into the class tree for mage would be fine

[cunning fossil]

C'mon you can do better than that

Why would the haste increase be on the Fire side and Crit be on the left for the mage talent tree

like bro

[rain cave]

Add fire blast and blaster master to the class tree

[rain cave]

To make up the difference

[cunning fossil]

it doesn't make any sense though

[rain cave]

Left side has nightfae thing

[cunning fossil]

there are other ways to even it out

[rain cave]

And less fire interaction

[cunning fossil]

which is also stupid

Night Fae is about CD reduction, something that FIre LOVES

But they have to go through the entire frost side just to get it

it doesn't feel good

[rain cave]

Yeah but it's also a blue ability xd

[cunning fossil]

and for frost mages, it doesn't feel as good either

[rain cave]

My issues with covenant abilities will forever be how fantasy ruining they ended up being

[cunning fossil]

Like Cauterizing Flame SHOULD be on the Fire sid eof the tree

[rain cave]

As well as them now mucking up the artstyle

In future xpacs

[cunning fossil]

restores health after you blink. see that's cool!

LIke in every other class tree, you were able to see a definite path for each spec to go down

but like, for Mage, you can barely see it for Frost or Arcane

and FIre is just like

not there

idk i'm just rambling but the mage class tree need sosme serious management and some clearer identiie sfor specs

or more like "spec sides"

I feel as if there is a valid way that mage can end up with 4 end caps by cutting out a lot of the fat in themiddle

they have 5 3 point talents in their tree

COmpared to rogue's 2 and hunter's 1

IT's already bad

and yes I acknowledge that the hunter tree just got fixed but THAT is the point

to point out issues early

[dense plover]

i dont think they had time to make changes to the mage tree in regards to the mistakes from the hunter tree

but i think 2-3 weeks from now, any new classes shouldnt have those issues

the mage changes were likely nearly finished 1-2 weeks ago

and only underwent general tuning changes

i mean - frost literally has an empty talent

[plain violet]

Yes... let's hope they will change it to something more organic.

[uncut vault]

@jade basalt

still some inconsistencies sadly 😛

[plain violet]

Ooh, the cute taunts...

[glass flicker]

Sabellian?

[plain violet]

Yes, a dragon from Burning Crusade. :)

Pretty in character to think himself above the others.

(and to taunt)

[plain violet]

That's cute. Q_Q

[rain cave]

more importantly looks like a black dragon

so their numbers are finally going back up

[plain violet]

It does, the color match. That's nice! :)

Oh, so many monkeys..

[glass flicker]

I know, I'm just surprised he looks this good.

[plain violet]

Oh, I do agree! The upgrades are amazing.

[harsh mason]

From the point of view of heredity, he should lead black dragonflight (since he is one of the eldest children of Neltharion).

[glass flicker]

He's been the least on Azeroth, though.

[cosmic beacon]

Also not as poggers as wrathion

[glass flicker]

Unless they give him a new model and make him even hotter than Wrathion.

Which is unlikely.

[cosmic beacon]

[crystal pond]

I hope they dont gonna turn Sabellian or Wrathion evil

[glass flicker]

Alexstasza is more likely. The only original dragon aspect that has not been a boss.

[rain cave]

I mean sabellian sounds pretty antagonistic in the dungeon

also idk if they'd make alex a baddy like what would her motives even be

would it just be her patience being up with mortals

or some shit

[glass flicker]

Corrupt like Ysera.

[rain cave]

corrupted by whom

[crystal pond]

I wonder what loot alextraza will drop

[glass flicker]

My mum, idfk.

[crystal pond]

Well in books she almost died by grief
So wonder if she will went bad by grief

[rain cave]

well unless things go horrendously wrong in DF

I don't see anything she could grieve over

if DF is about dragons getting a home back

a new generation

dragons thriving

if nozdormu dies

she's the only original aspect left

which might be lonely for her

[glass flicker]

See, this is what I mean.

Alexstasza could be like "Every time one of my kin has fallen, it has been by your hands. Enough is enough. Come, "champions" and prove the Aspects powerless to mortals."

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

But, of course, they're not going to make Alexstasza a villain. She's got more simps than Sylvanas.

[glad niche]

Considering the dialogue at the end of the deathwing raid, she doesn't strike me as angry at mortals about his death. She understood what would happen if he wasn't stopped.

[glass flicker]

I'm just saying she could become angry at the mortals once all the original aspects are dead. Aka Nazdormu.

She could.

Not "should"

[glad niche]

If he becomes corrupted idk how that's mortals faults 🤷

I'd be like "ok, be angry at me he went banayners playing in the time streams. You stop em by yourself then "

[rain cave]

I think alex is just too chill to become a baddy

considering she even accepts DK's presence

[glass flicker]

And then, maybe she goes mad with grief, especially at the thought of the new generation being without the Titan's gifts like her generation was.

[rain cave]

despite the shit they did to her flight

and orcs

she doesn't label mortals as mortals

[glad niche]

DK?

[rain cave]

she understands that 1 bad actor or group isn't everyone

[rain cave]

yes

[glass flicker]

Donkey Kong.

[rain cave]

death knights

[glass flicker]

Drift King*

[glad niche]

Oh

[rain cave]

"Sorry uther I can't hear you over this rubber burning"

puts on shades of domination

[glass flicker]

😂

Okay, hot take.

The Crown of Wills sucks.

It looks terrible.

[rain cave]

not a hot take

looks ugly af

doesn't do anything

[glass flicker]

It makes Pelagos a bit more swaggy, and that's it.

Like, 1% more.

https://tenor.com/view/elias-wow-elias-arthas-elias-lich-king-gif-13700633

Meanwhile, my boi Arthas.

Anyone else as disappointed as I am that the Frost DK artifact didn't make an appearance in Shadowlands?

Like. Hello, Primus, mate. I am wielding some literal mourneblades here.

[glad niche]

Why so many peeps got the hots for arthas. Hims like, the worst skummy bad guy I can think of that I've encountered In wow xD

[glass flicker]

You would be incorrect.

Arthas isn't a villain. He's a tragic hero.

Play Warcraft 3.

[harsh wedge]

Keep your soul ashes guys, they will be useful in dragonflight

[glad niche]

What's it do?

[harsh wedge]

Allows you to buy fluff item at Grifath

[glad niche]

I meant the globe

[harsh wedge]

Nothing at all it's a grey item

[glad niche]

scratches head

Why buy any of those ?

[jade basalt]

Yup, have reported it

[harsh wedge]

Grifath is known to sell useless items for big prices

Oh well, looks like the items I see here are exactly the same ones he sells in Oribos in fact, so they did not update his shop here

[crystal pond]

Did he was saying something in dangeon?

[cosmic beacon]

He made a your mom joke

[worn crown]

I did. Back in early 2000's. He is not a tragic hero. Personally I never felt sympathetic towards him. He is a man-child blinded by vengeance long before he held Frostmourne in one of the most predictable character arcs in WC3 / TFT. And then he becomes a villain.

[crystal pond]

In book he even told jaina "never denied me" wtf is wrong with you arthas
His hunger for vengeance make it clear that he wasnt a hero at all

[glad niche]

Yeaaah... Knowing everything about the city he burned with all the living innocents in it that weren't yet afflicted by the plague as well as back details about what he did to sylvanas (which may have been retconned at this point for all I know)

There's nothing heroic about him.

[plain violet]

Not retconned, but yes. That's a point of the interest of his character. Even without Frostmourne and the Legion, Scourge, he would have been a terrible king.

[glad niche]

Just googling "what did arthas do to sylvanas" gives details in the pop up info that add to his awfulness too.

Knowing what sylvanas has done since becoming the banshee queen or whatever as well as before it, she's closer to a tragic hero then he is. And that's coming from someone that's never trusted her since I started playing

[subtle oar]

Oh fun, bad take hour

[deep pawn]

so I was falling asleep last night, a flurry CD doesn't matter. You never ever hard casted Flurry as far as I know, so this is Blizzard gently nudging the right play from people who don't read rotation guides. You take Brain Freeze right after which makes frostbolt reset it's CD

they also did remove the cast time to it

[glad niche]

Has anyone played around with the dragon riding talent tree yet? I know it isn't fully functional yet according to blue posts but I was curious if anyone has given the working parts a glance over yet

[deep pawn]

Holy heck they buffed the hell out of splitting ice

oh, no, you just never took ebon bolt and splitting ice together before.

[cunning fossil]

i have like 14k Dust on my main anyways

that's awesome

[upper pasture]

thank goodness i've got like 189k soul ash 😄

[cunning fossil]

lmao

[ember blaze]

wait why is that awesome

[upper pasture]

plus 61k on my alliance

oof

[cunning fossil]

because it's funny

[upper pasture]

too bad we can't convert it into gold or something lol

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-blank-stare-straight-face-unimpressed-unamazed-gif-4431827

[cunning fossil]

true. would be convenient

[ember blaze]

you can infinitely farm it though

[glad niche]

just make the conversion rate REALLY bad 😂

[upper pasture]

or when DF launches do the conversion then take out those rewards ingame since leggos will be disabled

[harsh mason]

too many talents for this spec

[rain cave]

The optional interrupt

Cherry on top

[uncut lintel]

LOL

TF

[cunning fossil]

lmao

[grand bane]

is this the DH tree?...

[cosmic beacon]

its a meme

but yes

[grand bane]

thank god

[cosmic beacon]

i hope they give dh more buttons

or just more funs

[grand bane]

yeah me too

[cosmic beacon]

not press sinful brand press eye beam

give us back bfa dh that can proc meta doing damage

give us blade dance immunity

[rain cave]

Give 2h dh

[signal bone]

is the lock tier set available in the dressing room?

[cunning fossil]

@pseudo verge Here you goes.

Of course these are first impressions

and these very wellmay change!

but these are my honest opinions

[sullen dawn]

I'm dreading seeing monk trees

I know they're gonna be a mess

[grand bane]

same with DH

unfortunately

[cunning fossil]

y'all ahve way more going for you than the pure DPS trees though

all of the hybrid spec class trees have had issues of course

but they were not nearly as bad as the trees of Pure DPS

[dense plover]

I disagree. From the leaked abilities, it sounds like they’re bringing back all the fun stuff

[glad niche]

Bf got himself the physical collector's edition. Do we have any indication how large the art book is?

[lucid saffron]

Probably the same size they’ve used for past ones

[glad niche]

Idk what that size be

[lucid saffron]

They are just shy of the collectors box size in height and width.

[glad niche]

So. Idk how big that is either lol. I've never seen one in person xD

[lucid saffron]

Hmmm Lemme pull out one of my CE’s to better show it

[glad niche]

🍌

[lucid saffron]

@glad niche

[dense plover]

@uncut vault what are the skulls on the DF map from your tweet?

There’s a new vendor build that’s newer than the current beta build

We might get another beta build this week

[uncut vault]

They're the elites in the zone, they show up on the map

[upper pasture]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=195314/deathwingurlugull

kek

[dense plover]

ok

so thats probably tied to the murloc azeroth thing too

[upper pasture]

oh 100%

i wonder if this murloc alt timeline is where we will get that huge murloc mount from

[cunning fossil]

i truly hope that the murloc timeline is embraced to it's fullest extent

[upper pasture]

I also found this shares the same model and voice lines as Merithra. its also marked as (NEEDS REDRESSING)

could be PH or could be the old bait and switch

[upper pasture]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194902/sidra-the-mender

of course i'd forget to post the link lol

[dense plover]

yeah thats likely going to see a full different npc model/clothes

[deep pawn]

is the holy pal tree broken or just wowhead?

[upper pasture]

they haven't updated it for the alpha yet so i'd guess it's broken

[deep pawn]

ah

[dense plover]

yeah holy isnt in this build

only ret and prot

hotfix went out for beta

@uncut vault @jade basalt apparently existing characters werent able to correctly set dragon riding talents

theyve fixed it, but only for new characters

also theyve said that glyphs are accountwide unlocks

[jade basalt]

Awww

Ah

[dense plover]

just now

points once unlocked are unlocked for all your characters

so you dont have to grind that out again

and im assuming the same is probably true for cosmetics once you unlock the base forms on an alt

btw does anyone have any recordings of the modified flying/turning?

[jade basalt]

Yup

One sec

[plain violet]

The... why the bot ? O_o
Well, just to say, that's really nice.

[dense plover]

some people in the thread described the new turning as clunky

i imagine its a bit rough since this is the first build of it

[uncut lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-dragonflight-gif-25626486

[dense plover]

god damnit

[uncut lintel]

rip

whole paragraph gone

[dense plover]

its still there for them

they can copy it

[plain violet]

I don't understand what happened too.

[dense plover]

watcher is set to be a bit aggressive to prevent spam

but its problematic when you post a lot of text and an image all right after each other or at once

ive posted in #wowhead-feedback-support about it

it probably just needs to be adjusted slightly

[jade basalt]

Maybe if I post them in the same comment

[plain violet]

Understandable but wow. It's pretty violent.
Thanks, I will read. :)

[jade basalt]

Before: pressing Q or D has no effect, it makes your character turn but does not actually impact your trajectory, you would keep going forward, while spinning. Which did kinda look like drifting, but yeah.
https://gfycat.com/GrayRelievedKiwi

Now: pressing Q or D actually makes you turn, so you can go in circles for example, and the 'wing tilting' animations make more sense. It does also mean that turns are slower though cause you're actually using momentum to turn, specially noticeable when you try to land next to an NPC and you've got to turn a little bit and suddenly end up a bit farther than you expected.
https://gfycat.com/UniqueWelllitDeinonychus

yay

[uncut lintel]

ITS SO FRICKEN GOOD

-sobs-

[dense plover]

so this uses ad or qe?

so you actually use keys and not just the mouse?

looks good - how does it feel?

[jade basalt]

QD, like when you're walking/running essentially

[plain violet]

Need to be tuned, but love the feeling.

[uncut lintel]

Q and D, the two keys that are keybinded to my spells

why

[upper pasture]

weird you keyboard turning?

i kid

[jade basalt]

I still largely use the mouse personally, because of the camera. I do use Q and D a bit, for minor adjustments during a flight, if that make sense.

Pressing Q to turn left, it will turn left at a set speed. Which can be too fast, or too slow, depending on the context.
But using the mouse, I can precisely control how much and how fast exactly I want to turn, which also means the camera moves much less, or more like I want it to, which is less dizzying.

This applies to all contexts really, not just dragonriding. Simple example while standing on the ground here: in the first bit I turn using key press, in the second bit I turn using my mouse. https://gfycat.com/GorgeousWhisperedGreendarnerdragonfly

[uncut lintel]

@upper pasture i use Q for my prowl

im lazy ok icba to click everything

[upper pasture]

oh my stealth toons i keybind `/~ button (the one right next to 1

[uncut lintel]

i could do that but i forget keys like that cuz i never use em

my brain just empties em out like its not there

[upper pasture]

yeah i find it super easy to use cause it's like right next to 1 so it's just moving my finger slightly

[uncut vault]

A and D also do the same thing, basically just whatever your left and right turn buttons are

[uncut lintel]

o

[uncut vault]

I uh

think I figured out why mechagnomes are disabled lol

[uncut lintel]

because htye suck

[uncut lintel]

LOL

OMFG

💀

[uncut lintel]

HAHAHFEFE

@uncut vault im crying

[subtle oar]

Its an upgrade

[rain cave]

Took The gnome out of the mecha

[uncut vault]

I think its probably a bug with the new tech they have to disable head models for certain helms

[jade basalt]

Rock climbing by the way https://gfycat.com/RecklessWateryDogfish

Next best thing after dragonriding!

[errant prairie]

That's pretty cool

[jade basalt]

Shows on the minimap once you unlock it https://i.imgur.com/H9zzP4y.png

[upper pasture]

is that a stam type mechanic i see on your buffs?

[uncut lintel]

NO WAY THIS IS NOT REAL

[jade basalt]

Yeah you can only stay 60s on a rock, so you've got to switch rocks

[upper pasture]

nice

[uncut lintel]

ENVIREMENTAL CONTENT

I WANT MORE

[jade basalt]

It's apparently meant to be an endgame activity later on

There's also Photography, another skill you unlock

[uncut vault]

do both of those unlock in the dragonscale basecamp?

[jade basalt]

It's different from the selfie camera, here you kind of aim in a direction and it "highlights" the animals that are in that line of sight direction, once highlighted if you press the button then it counts as having taken a photo of them

Hmm I think that's where the seeds start yeah

I've also found a whole tuskarr village, Uktulut Backwater, but no quest whatsoever here, not sure if I missed something

And Uktulut Pier

both of which have a flight path

[dense plover]

possibly related to spear fishing

60s rock climbing sounds like thats way too long but thats probably the max time since theres a few increases

and the photo stuff is wild because its also supposed to be on like a boat sometimes and talents will let you have rarer animals

idk how fun they are tbh

climbing seems a bit easy from that gif

but its probably not finished

how do you guys make those gifs btw?

[upper pasture]

It will be nice to have rock climbing as a WQ instead of say like the typical to kill X thing X times

[dense plover]

wowvendor now has an even newer beta build

so again, i suspect theyre going to push another build this week

"10.0.0.44857" is the newest build

[dense plover]

795 is what is current

oh, there they are

do you have the wowhead client installed porter?

so it captures npc locations and such?

[uncut vault]

Yeah I do

[ionic terrace]

should've been wearing this 😛

[dense plover]

i think she has the other version

[ionic terrace]

yea

[dense plover]

this one

[jade basalt]

I personally just use ShareX, it's Maj + Print Screen and it starts recording.

[dense plover]

do you press it again or does it have a timer?

[jade basalt]

Press again to stop yup, or click Abort to cancel

I also realized I can use GeForce Experience and it will include the sound as well in the recording, which is what I've done here.
https://twitter.com/MyMindWontQuiet/status/1552431966943072256 (although twitter lowered the quality here)

MyMindWontQuiet (@MyMindWontQuiet)

Anyone else just randomly dragonriding through canyons and rivers and trails and see where it gets you?

(Yes, I had to do a double-take as well but I did fly by some tornado-trapped hippos)
@Warcraft

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 27, 2022, 11:13 PM

But otherwise ShareX is much more practical cause after you press Stop, it automatically uploads the recording to gfycat and then also puts the URL into your clipboard so that you can paste it in, say, Discord, directly.

[dense plover]

i have problems with geforce because usually the file is massive

im downloading shareX - sounds great

god the zone design and sound design

i cant wait for music

[jade basalt]

May need to customize it a little bit, for instance I picked Imgur as my image uploader and Gfycat as my file/gif uploader, and disabled thumbnails and sounds, but once done you're golden

[dense plover]

these zones are amazing - as you were zooming by, i saw a waterfall with a small dam on it and beavers

thats such a nice detail

also weird floating hippo

[jade basalt]

Yeah I'm trying to find those flying hippos I flew by now

[jade basalt]

I was flying by randomly and found these guys https://i.imgur.com/1vQlRmq.png

Just 1 quest

And then that's it

Just makes the world a little bit more lively

Also found a rockclimbing camp and they had a Water Keg, I clicked on it, and water washed over me and it gave me a 10% mana regeneration buff. Literally no reason to do this, but it's the tiny details.

[uncut vault]

Yeah theyre doing a phenomenal job at quest hooks and making you want to do the little side quests

like, in shadowlands a lot of the side quest was just "dude standing there with a yellow quest"

in Dragonflight, it's "nightborne holding up a cart with gnomes floating above it terrified"

[jade basalt]

I literally did all the side quests that I could find, except 2-3, before I finished the main storyline

And hell, half of them were emotional gut punches

[dense plover]

it really does seem like they are spending time to bring the world to life more

that dragonmaw quest you tweeted porter is genuinely surprising

i figured it would be ignored

im interested to see if they end up covering the DK red flight stuff

im hoping theres custom lines for old vs new DKs

or just DK lines at least

[jade basalt]

I was just looking out the horizon right now and then noticed this https://gfycat.com/LittleDarkLabradorretriever

Random dragonfly parent with their babies flying high in the sky randomly

[dense plover]

are they moving or stationary?

[jade basalt]

Moving, strolling in the air

[dense plover]

neat

i do wonder if theyre a bit high up

but it depends if they land or not

[jade basalt]

And then I went a little further and found this.. Flayscale Camp. It looks absolutely metal.

Also it turned on PvP for me for some reason

[upper pasture]

PvP WQ zone perhaps?

FFA zone maybe?

[dense plover]

i doubt it

those went poorly last time

especially if they force pvp

if they ARE doing that, they need to do a very good job letting you know since you cant just turn it off anywhere

[upper pasture]

I mean, they exist in SLs and I personally don’t venture to them but I’m sure PvP people enjoy it

[jade basalt]

Totally devoid of NPCs

https://i.imgur.com/zdcm4CA.png
https://i.imgur.com/XDadOGi.png
https://i.imgur.com/9xjhEpC.png

[dense plover]

damn, brutal

i wonder if it IS for a WQ

or maybe its like that sub-area in mechagon?

where a chest spawns after a bit and its a pvp area?

honestly looks like it needs some djaradin

i would definitely report the area being empty as a bug

[jade basalt]

Some Blacktalons here

[upper pasture]

I’d bet it’s WQ related kill X or players to fulfill the quest

[pulsar minnow]

The pvp pit in Blackrook Hold was cool

[dense plover]

what are blacktalons?

[jade basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/bK5hahs.png https://i.imgur.com/DwrwoEV.png

[jade basalt]

Wrathion's agents

[dense plover]

ah

does it un-flag you once you leave the area?

b/c it needs to do that

[uncut vault]

crazy idea, PvP area, but instead of HvA or FFA

its wrathion vs sabellian

[jade basalt]

Hmm I think it didn't actually turn PvP on, it just made a PvP-sounding sound but it may have been just cause I was entering a PvP Area?

Another PvP area https://i.imgur.com/KpJYcW7.png

this one is populated

There's an orca cadaver in there

This is the southern zone border https://i.imgur.com/dix4IIy.png

there's a rainbow

reminds me of Sholazar

[glad niche]

on the earlier topic of the random side quests and the water keg, they did say they took heavy inspiration from how MoP was set up, for DF.

Its my favorite old expac to level in for these kind of details

[ionic terrace]

I hope we get music like the Steward "Play me a song." music

just for memes

or the MoP kazoo music

[deep pawn]

Oh I'd love it if the FFA PvP WQs came back

Loved those in Legion

got the mount with skulls on it, most brutal Alliance mount ever

[glad niche]

Replaying MoP for the first time recently and heard that music. Went "my GAWD I forgot this existed!!"

[ionic terrace]

[pseudo verge]

ye i dont like it too

[ionic terrace]

also more tracks like Draka and Thrall's music

[glad niche]

Wish old raids didn't still have weekly lockouts

Trying to get a shoulder from dragon soul heroic

[upper pasture]

get alts, they help with farming old stuff

[jade basalt]

That was fun https://gfycat.com/PerkyGiantCommabutterfly

[upper pasture]

oh, those lines to the next ring are new yeah?

[jade basalt]

I think they were already there last week

But yeah not the first week

[upper pasture]

that makes me like the races a bit more than before

[dense plover]

did what?

[dense plover]

yeah they were added in the 2nd build

[dense plover]

that looks fun - how does it compare to races before the turning change?

[jade basalt]

You plant seeds and the green dragonspawn ask the bronze dragons around to help make them grow faster https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/1001945402230194227/unknown.png
https://i.imgur.com/XwrXmsx.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/1001945402553143366/unknown.png
https://i.imgur.com/JYnBgT1.png

[ionic terrace]

Garrosh I guess?

Or hm

[dense plover]

its a poke at it, yes

because a bronze dragon is the reason garrosh was able to go to alt draenor

so essentially its a bunch of voice line options for a quest?

[ionic terrace]

I wonder if they will touch on that

And noz’s consort

[dense plover]

im sure the garrosh stuff will be mentioned in passing but not significantly

at least not in the main story

[ionic terrace]

Yeah

[dense plover]

remember, most players are going from SLs to DF or straight from BfA to DF

so the majority havent done anything before BfA

which is part of what makes quests like the dragonmaw clan one so neat

[jade basalt]

Oddly enough, better? The fact that turning is no longer instant means I can actually adjust my camera ahead of the turn, then start turning before I actually reach the ring, and I'll pass through the ring as I turn. And my camera will already be facing the right direction. You can see me do that a couple times in the gif.
Whereas before, turning was point-and-click since it was done with the mouse, which is better in open-world admittedly but here it felt right.

[dense plover]

because they essentially speak specifically to people who have played older stuff

[dense plover]

awesome

now im waiting for the ability to pass right above water/snow and skim it with like particles and sounds

[jade basalt]

yup

[dense plover]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/04fbbd17557d6e80eadc0e30b0a71fff/tumblr_inline_nym0e9TqB61ti9txu_500.gif

like this

i want all those little details just so people get absorbed by it

[jade basalt]

I'm already spending my time following rivers for no reason

This would be quite nice

[ionic terrace]

Well there are currently three Soridormis in DF in the database

[dense plover]

if you get a chance can you get up higher and just try flying in as tight a circle as you can?

[ionic terrace]

So we’ll see

[dense plover]

im curious how it responds

[ionic terrace]

Funnily enough two of them have her wearing armor

[jade basalt]

I do it here towards the end of the gif, is that what you mean? https://gfycat.com/uniquewelllitdeinonychus

[dense plover]

isnt kairoz dead tho?

[ionic terrace]

Yes

[dense plover]

yes that is what i mean

[jade basalt]

I guess it could be tighter still if you use the mouse, this was using the keyboard Actually no I think there's a 'minimum turn' angle

[dense plover]

and thats actually exactly what i wanted

i was hoping it looked natural

and it very much does

[ionic terrace]

Which is interesting, so idk if it’ll actually happen at some point like murozond

I’ve had the theory that her dying is what triggers muro

I would love them looping back to it

[dense plover]

honestly i hope not

that would be trite

as a part of it? maybe

but as the catalyst? i hope not

[ionic terrace]

Eh yeah

Heh she wears the Waist of Time

Good to know that they decided to use it for more then a secret

This also implies she did the secret

Jk

[dense plover]

a bunch of the bronze dragons use it

[ionic terrace]

Ah cool

I wonder if that was planned lmao

Doubt it

[dense plover]

went to take a look through the balance tree

i really dislike it

i cant take oneths clear vision without that terrible starfall talent

and meanwhile skull bash on the class tree is all the way to the wrong side so i cant get the nice interrupt

and then balance stuff on the class tree is forcibly flanked by healer stuff that i really dont need

why is the balance stuff on the side and not resto?

resto wont be going for melee stuff, but balance at least might

so if they want to they have to path through a ton of healing nodes they probably dont need

and then renewal - essentially required for balance leveling is locked to the very bottom of the tree behind a bunch of useful junk you dont need for balance

it just feels awful

meanwhile i really like the mage trees

havent played pally enough to really know (even though i leveled one in late legion to unlock the lightforged armor XD)

and still have no clue about evoker b/c i cant test it

i honestly would love for someone to tell me how wrong i am about the balance stuff

i know the way i talent my brewmaster isnt how people talent it, but its the most fun method

[signal bone]

is there a preview somewhere for the dragonriding talents?

[glad niche]

Somewhere. According to the new alpha wave blue post

Apparently the entire tree of talents isn't there but some are

[dense plover]

wowhead doesnt have anything yet

[glad niche]

All that above is I assume about the druid trees

Just makes me happy I've grown sick of the class already

And if I don't like evoker, I'm currently enjoying shammy.

Don't remember what the spec is called but I dual wield maces

[upper pasture]

Enhancement

[signal bone]

how are the rogue trees? Nobody seems to be talking about them

[cunning fossil]

Because they're pretty good honestly

Not as in "LOL we have broken combi" but more so that it's structured in a satisfying way

[dense plover]

yeah theyre not like - stupendous, but theyre acceptable and rogues pretty much just need number tuning once we get to that stage

rogues have a very well defined fantasy and were already in a good spot

[cunning fossil]

IF you're talking about my drivel, then no. I was talking about Mage eheh

[dense plover]

so keeping them there and shoring up and rough patches, thats good

[cunning fossil]

exactly

[dense plover]

they meant me

and it was

specifically balance

[cunning fossil]

oh so sorry

[dense plover]

the balance tree and the class tree are shit

resto should be on the side not the middle

bear doesnt need resto

they have inbuilt healing

[cunning fossil]

To be honest I sort of think that Resto being in the middle helps make it more accessible to every spec

That's my personal feelings on it though

[glad niche]

Nah, was talking about peaches stuff

[cunning fossil]

oh yeah I getcha

Now that it's cleared up

[glad niche]

Ye just caught up lmao

So. As someone that has played a LOT of feral druids over the years

Kinda agree resto down center feels weird

I've not seen this new set up myself, just that the notion is odd.

[cunning fossil]

I believe it's their for accessibilty, but I wouldn't be opposed to it swapping places with Balance

[dense plover]

i just want star fall upgrade either moved or downright redone on the balance tree

[glad niche]

Cause other then one skill on proc and another with a dummy long CD, you can't heal in cat form

[dense plover]

"While Stellar Drift is located in the previous section, this is a talent that devalues Astral Power generation which leads into three out of four nodes that allow the use of more Astral Power in your rotation." this comment sums up my thoughts

[uncut lintel]

i stalk

[glad niche]

Even to use troll heal you pop out of cat form

[cunning fossil]

IMO that if you're attempting to off heal in cat form, you probably just gonna cast one Wild growth or spam regrowth on a low health person for a while

and that is after you've been putting dots up on everyone

[glad niche]

I feel like hitting a need to offheal as a car indicates a bad time lmao

But tbh I'm not super familiar with the current dungeon scene

Cat*

[cunning fossil]

But also Sama, the new End cap talent Furor does make it so that when you shift out of cat form and 4 seconds after getting back into it, you gain a buff that makes your abilities free

I thinkit is aviable thing to do personally. Sure you lose DPS but if everyone's dead, there is no DPS

of course, it isn't all the time either.

more so occasionally

[ember blaze]

things like that only end up working well for healers

[glad niche]

Sounds noice. Too bad (for me) I spend about 97% of cat time forgetting that shift toggling is an option

[cunning fossil]

help your healer out a bit before they leave the dungeon for being blamed on the wipe

😛

[ember blaze]

a dps having to shift is like 10k dps loss

[glad niche]

Well. From that angle. I come from 14 , where wipes aren't treated like someone kicked a puppy

[cunning fossil]

I acknowledged this, but also the fact is that you are stillhelping the party.

[glad niche]

So I'd be deescalating whoever's salty so party doesn't break lol

[cunning fossil]

and if you're good player, I would think you're trying to shore up healing when you can, not all the time

[ember blaze]

that's why you go natures vigil

You dont sacrifice your form and create big downtime

[cunning fossil]

Depends on how you want to play though.

[ember blaze]

a shaman has the same talent

[glad niche]

I've helped heal before. Don't get me wrong. It just makes me nervous to do so. Like, wows dungeon crowd is VERY highstrung compared to 14. I worry "if I don't help the OOM healer, we may wipe and someone will leave, but if I help the OOM healer, they might get mad at me for stealing their job and leave"

[ember blaze]

and you could either hard cast surge or chain

or you can pop the cd when you need it, and continue dpsing

[cunning fossil]

ANd the downtime isn't huge if you go furor because the moment you get back into cat form you're dumping DPS like it's nothing.

[ember blaze]

and do those 4 seconds make up for the past 15 seconds?

you get one full finisher off for free

[glad niche]

So I really didn't mean for this to become what's looking like a debate. I just agree that resto down center on the talent tree seems strange.

[cunning fossil]

Again, Tobi, I understand that a DPS loss is the worst thing in the world but if people wanna play that way to feel useful, then let them play that way

[ember blaze]

im just saying that they did provide an option that is better from a dps perspective

that is just as effective

[glad niche]

Also, focusing on the idea of actually building resto. It sounded like it's kinda forced to take options from the stuff on either side

[cunning fossil]

That's why you get a choice to have either of them.

[glad niche]

Like it's not purely heals, but heals with clunky DPS hodgepodged in

[cunning fossil]

Well I don't know Sama. In my personal opinion looking at the tree, there isn't too many talents that are like "Ugh why do I have to pick this up?"

[ember blaze]

@cunning fossilferal swiftness

required right before a dps talent

[cunning fossil]

it's not a bad though?

it's not even a niche aboility, it's just useful period

also it's the only non damaging ability on that side of the tree

[glad niche]

Ive not looked at it yet so def noone take my thoughts as concrete. Just based on reading the above stuff it def sounds like a case of "meh, they will try preservation evoker anyways"

[ember blaze]

could just swap them around

[cunning fossil]

swap Feline swiftness with what?

[ember blaze]

the one below it

then it would be in the same area as the other 2 utility options

[cunning fossil]

that's putting a lot of power near the top of the tree, idk if they want people to do that

[glad niche]

The preservation changes seem nice at a glance

[ember blaze]

it's also 2 points which imo feels bad if you just want the dmg

[glad niche]

(I'm in bed atm so nothing I have to contribute to conversation is gonna sound concise)

[cunning fossil]

but that's the thing Tobi. if you just let people have all the damage in the tree without a little caveat, you're probably gonnamess up balance some how

Also it is 2 points versus the many other points that are damge oriented.

[ember blaze]

like other trees with a movement speed buff branch out to other things

then theres wild charge just sitting there with no requirements

[cunning fossil]

doesn't this do that as well?
also is that not a good thing?

So that you aren't "forced" to take Wild charge/ Tireless pursuit?

Tiger Dash sorry

[ember blaze]

🤷‍♂️ i guess

[cunning fossil]

I'mlooking at the tree and

[ember blaze]

i guess the ms is also a core part of cat so they want you to take it

[cunning fossil]

Ms?

[ember blaze]

movement speed

[cunning fossil]

oh right yeah

exactly

it personalyl makes sense that it is on the feral side of the tree

this is a cat build that I made with resto subclass

like I'm one point away from taking all the end cap talent swhihc is sort of crazy

and i sacrficed no damage doing this I believe

like I got innervate, NV, Bash, Roar

personally I like how the tree currently allows you to be this flexible

we could even give up on the furor side of the tree to gram extra utilty

[ember blaze]

it's nice that innervate opened up to the other specs

[cunning fossil]

sorry I'm rambling and I'mnot making very coherent sense but like I enjoy how many options you get while sacrificing very little

[upper edge]

this looks really cool im glad we have our legion spells and the shadowlands one im assuming im gonna have to change my action bars around right?

cause i dont think i can have the samer exact talents i have now cause theyre all in different areas of the tree

[cunning fossil]

probably you will, but hey, at least you can really customize your UI now

without add-ons, to make it easier

I know it'll be way simpler for me anyways lol

[uncut lintel]

they really making sandworn shards acc wide and not offerings in s4

priorities blizz

amirite

[upper edge]

so im confused for the actual paladin talents not the spec talents are the spells the same when you switch specs or are they different?

[upper pasture]

I mean, just swap covenants with your main and collect all of them with one toon but clearly that only covers one armor type

But my mage has like 1100 offerings and all the venthyr stuff 😦

[cunning fossil]

No they willbe different, each spec will have its own loadout for both trees

[upper pasture]

But you get so many offerings nowadays it’s kinda a moot point

[upper edge]

ok cause they have the same talents for some odd reason and its confusing af

[glass flicker]

Eh, tbh, I wish they'd make Redeemed Souls acquirable through other means. I didn't fully upgrade my Sanctum due to it. Having to search for twenty of them, or doing Torghast twice, can be a chore.

[uncut vault]

I mostly just wish they werent covenant-specific lol

[uncut lintel]

@upper pasture n o

im to lazy to farm 5000 rares

for offerings

[uncut vault]

I was capped on souls on my main covenant for months prior to the unlocking

had to refarm them from scratch by spamming the quest

[glass flicker]

Yes.

And that's annoying.

[upper pasture]

You mean callings? You get like 17 a calling chest lol

[cunning fossil]

THe left tree is the class tree. Is available to all specs but is unique to each loadout you have. the right one is the spec tree, only the spec has that

[upper pasture]

Surprisingly the thing holding me back from buying a lot of the transmogs is actually anima and that’s just because I’m funneling most of it into more mission table stuff

[glass flicker]

For example, I didn't even do my Trial of Ascension upgrades on my kyrian. Why waste Redeemed Souls on that, when I can just farm the quest again and unlock my Oribos portal?

[upper pasture]

I keep telling myself to do this on alts but by the time I do my mission table spam I’m already burnt out 😦

[glass flicker]

Remove Redeemed Souls. Just make everything cost anime.

[upper pasture]

I kinda wish they just let you recover souls on the fly and not make it a 20 the. Turn in then get 20 more

Just you recover them and they get added to the maximum limit of course

[glass flicker]

Or, you know, add some to Zereth Mortis so I don't have to go into the Maw specifically to gather them.

Such a boring zone.

[upper pasture]

Going to the maw isn’t THAT bad it’s just being broken up to make you do it 5 times to hit cap is such a bore

Especially if you are doing it on multiple alts to get the transmogs

Maybe tomorrow will be the day I collect some souls but I doubt it

[upper edge]

ok so for prot if i do blinding light its not gonna be like that on ret too right?

[ember blaze]

and then having to come back to your covenant area

man, thinking more about the features in this expac, the more tedious i find they are

also insane that there isnt a portal back to your covenant from oribos

[upper pasture]

As many things it’s seems like a lot when you compound a whole expansion worth of things on top of each other

[ember blaze]

i just hope they go back to the world wide emissaries

[uncut lintel]

do we have slimecat model yet or no

they waiting so long to sohw us for some reason

s4 in 5 days and still

no model

[ember blaze]

is it confirmed it's from LFR?

[uncut lintel]

yea

[ember blaze]

💀

[uncut lintel]

its lfr and normal, and heroic and mythic give titles and portals

[ember blaze]

portals that get locked to your character 🛌

[uncut lintel]

yea the ports should be acc widse but wutevs

[ember blaze]

like we're not dropping everything for evoker, smh

[uncut lintel]

i am

[ember blaze]

that's what i mean

💀

@uncut linteldo you have the anima thing upgraded on your alts

[uncut lintel]

what anima thing

[ember blaze]

the anima conductor

[uncut lintel]

no

most i do with alts is gear em to 240

an quit

[ember blaze]

all that gold you dropping 😶

[uncut lintel]

meh

[ember blaze]

wheres that comment you made about being broke

[uncut lintel]

somewhere

in this discord

[upper pasture]

Just about daily lol

[uncut lintel]

ughh no motivationtho for alts rn

ok

with s4 so close i focusing on main

[upper pasture]

Foxy it’s also 2am why you up lol

[uncut lintel]

i gotta finish drawing

[upper pasture]

You can’t tell me it isn’t cause I also live in FL

[uncut lintel]

it isnt

[upper pasture]

Oh you right

But yes S4 is so close! Gotta get my two mounts 🙂 i kinda wanna got for Heroic title too but idk

I dunno if I want to put that much effort in

Also idk where you live but if it’s close to Orlando and you like pizza there’s a very good pizza place near UCF called lazy moon pizza and it’s delicious. I miss living so close to it

[uncut lintel]

yea like i have money for pizza

WE RARLY HAVE PIZZA

NO ONE HAS MONEY FOR PIZZA

[upper pasture]

Well save your pennies!

[uncut lintel]

one...

one...

...one

[upper pasture]

3 pennies! Only need like…1197 more or something idk it’s been awhile

[uncut lintel]

can i not say the f word in peace

why

let me say f pennies they r useless

[ember blaze]

so we getting rings with primary stat next season 🤔

would something like that be bis

[uncut lintel]

let me say the f word or ill be mad all the time

its how ir elief stress

[ember blaze]

then theres mecha rings with mini haste proc

🤔

[uncut lintel]

haste

[ember blaze]

mini lust

mechagon is gonna be so fun

cant wait to blast with the lightning bots

[cunning fossil]

Nope. it'll be different ye

[uncut vault]

I like that they're finally using that code to let belfs be called Sin'dorei

[cunning fossil]

lmao I love the options h ere

[upper edge]

Ok good also another question what class do you play lol

[cunning fossil]

me specifically?

[upper edge]

Ye

[cunning fossil]

I try to dabble in a lot of em honestly

I've mained Hunter this expac technically

but that's only because I can't really play other classes without so many barriers

I wanna play DK or some sort of support spec

[upper edge]

I played Pally for this expansion was ok tbh but I played DK in BFA which was way more fun but I started the game with Warrior so idk what to play for Dragon isles tbh I started playing warrior again and I can’t let it go lmao

@cunning fossil

[cunning fossil]

oh sorry for late reply

also that's completely fair

also it sound slike you're a big fan of plate lmao

[upper edge]

Yea cause my first class was warrior lol mage was my second everyone kept kicking my ass so I basically stopped playing mage

[cunning fossil]

Fair enough lmao

[livid walrus]

i got a way to reach this 😄

imake new alpha char (boosted) talk to the taurento get to waking shore,. abandon the quest and you can see in the map a quest in the dock which dracthyr give you, do that and you get this talk

@uncut vault

[upper edge]

Yea after looking at the talent trees for Paladin and DK idk man I might do warrior this time I’m actually excited lol

[uncut vault]

oh nice, thanks

[livid walrus]

I think there might the same thing for horde side

😮

[cunning fossil]

UGH

CAN WE STOP HAVING A TIME SKIP THAT DOESN"T INCLUDE THE PLAYERS

I FUCKING MISSED THEIR WEDDING?>????

COME
ON

[livid walrus]

prepatch still a thing you know 🙂

[cunning fossil]

is this the prepatch beta?

No

it's DRAGONFLIGHT

beta

Prepatch almost always goes on PTR

I know it sound slike a small thing but I personally hate it because it's like we can't see these characters as characters and more as props for convenience.

I would like to SEE their wedding.

I mean

am I not their friend? Champion of honor or whatever?

I get they can't do it for everything I suppose but it feels so fucking lame that the only time we get to see characters is when the end of the worl dis coming or they are about to literally die

So yeah fuck that I'd like to see their wedding and how the various relationships on azeroth are going

[livid walrus]

I meant as if it can still happen in prepatch..

and the dialuge is the catch up thing

[cunning fossil]

I suppose

[plain violet]

Oooh, it's cute to see.

[rain cave]

wait so are they going for the timeskip?

i thought that the alliance side dialogue was cut and just datamined

[uncut vault]

No, it was always in the game

last build just didnt have the ability to trigger it on new characters like this build does

[rain cave]

weird

[uncut vault]

so wowhead wasnt sure

[rain cave]

that's what I mean

in previous ones it wasn't available

so it had to be datamined

hidden dialogue in the files

[uncut vault]

no, it was in game then

just only accessible on a previous build character who had the prepatch triggers

[rain cave]

wdym

if it's datamineable it's ingame lmao

[uncut vault]

yes, and it was available in game, to go listen to via wait and see

it was never hidden

just only accessible for characters from the first alpha build

[rain cave]

strange

[uncut vault]

now we can access it on new ones, so it's confirmed to actually be a thing along with all the others

[rain cave]

surprised wowhead hasn't made a post on it

[uncut vault]

well its 2am PST 😛

[rain cave]

wowhead aren't american though are they?

thought they were all EU

by en large

[uncut vault]

many of them definitely are

[plain violet]

I would wait a bit more still, even if available, it ask to abandon the quest. It would be much more official when we will have a prepatch in the beta, I think, or a content dedicated to the prepatch thing.

[uncut vault]

If it's been two builds and even more new dialogue was added, along with quests for cinematics and dracthyr introduction, I think its pretty safe to think it's intended lol

[rain cave]

It's interesting they haven't mentioned a time skip in interviews

[uncut vault]

if I had to bet, they probably wanted to reveal it with the prequel novel to the xpac

[rain cave]

Oh god not again

If we're doing big
Lore reveals that impact the game story like that

Can we atleast make them animatics

Like the legion,sl and bfa ones

Then people who want the lore can talk to an npc who can recap

[glad niche]

I can't really afford to chuck money for a book every time they do this :c

On the one hand, coming from 14 where everything pretty much exists in a weird time bubble (the twins should be half grown to full height by now imo)
Seeing the world actually advance forward is Kool.

But not at the expense of being tossed a catch up brochure

I too would love at least a cutscene for their wedding or something.

Infodumps via paragraphs in game are a dangerous for my ADHD brain. The longer the text gabber the higher the chance I glaze over and the elevator music starts tootin

[plain violet]

More informations would be neat I agree. Of course, I understand your view Portergauge. 😁

[daring kettle]

I've been pointed this way in my search for the dracthyr horn and armour meshes. Has anyone had any luck actually finding them?

I was hoping they'd be baked in to the dracthyrdragon.m2 but for whatever reason they aren't.

[rain cave]

since elune + the blue child are related to dragon empowerment, (weren't the aspects empowered under them?, as well as the cata quest)

I wonder if there's an elune style shrine somewhere on the dragon isles

e.g. under tyrs hold

or perhaps somewhere else entirely

could just be cool to see a proper "elune" styled raid

not nelf

pure elune

with some dragon/titan stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Well the Titans Empowered them, I don’t think Elune really has any say in dragon shenanigans beyond Ysera and maybe Alexstrasza

Ysera delves into dream nonsense, so maybe an Emerald Dream mini raid to bring her back to the realm of the living might fit the setting of DF. After all, Elune is a member of the Life Pantheon.
Personally I would prefer we stray far from “pantheons” and whatnot. Im totally happy running through their ruined structures though

[worn crown]

According to WoWpedia, there is an event called the Embrace, a rarely conjunction between the two Azeroth moons and "According to legend, the Dragon Aspects were first created during an occurrence of the Embrace".

[rain cave]

I mean elune and the blue child had a part in the blue dragon quest in cata

and elune isn't JUST life pantheon

we don't even know if it's called that

she's certainly linked to the titans and other order stuff

[worn crown]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Embrace

[rain cave]

like it could be that the void lord equivalent of order are the ones who set up the pantheons

that the "first ones" aren't a 7th force

but the big bads behind order

so it might not be death pantheon life pantheon, might be more like they have a pantheon at each end of the cycle they made

since elune doesn't seem very "life" themed

and winter queen doesn't seem very "death" themed

my personal opinion being that they are meant to represent their counterpart in their jobs

WQ = life in death
Elune = death in life

[pulsar minnow]

It doesn't matter if it's called the Eternal Ones, the Titans, or whatever. They're all pantheons. Elune is a part of the Life Pantheon and we know that for a fact.

I do think we will see some bit of Elune in this expansion, but I don't think it'll go further than Ysera's return.

It also begs the question as to how the heck Ebyssian/Sabellian/Wrathion will become an aspect if the embrace only happens once every 430 years

Probably related to the oathstones though

[crystal pond]

Probably wrathion will became ambassador of the black, and that will be it

[pulsar minnow]

Well one of them has got to become aspect if we're going to restore the age of dragons

[crystal pond]

Yeah have no clue how they will make black dragon aspect without embrace
Maybe a earth-warder power can be granted by azeroth her self
Sinse azeroth is a earth-planet, and in isle expeditions black dragons was saying that azeroth blood is they birthright

[pulsar minnow]

Well technically, none of the leaders of the Dragonflights are aspects

They gave up those powers

Uldaman seemingly had a disc that could've restored their powers but it was destroyed by an Infinite Dragon in the new dungeon

[crystal pond]

It wasnt destroyed
It was lost in time
But they gonna restore their power in this expac

Or atleast half of it

[livid walrus]

I think something happens in prepatch with the moon

[pulsar minnow]

Oh is that what happened?

So that might be why there were all those time traveling map files. Maybe there's some content where we go with Nozdormu and Chromie to find it

[crystal pond]

Yeah he said "now disk is lost in time forever" or something like that (cant find screenshot)

[pulsar minnow]

Might even be apart of Thaldraszuz leveling too

that'll be fun!

The last thing I'm really confused about is Wrathion in DF

He got this new model but everything in questing uses his old model

[upper pasture]

because alpha?

[pulsar minnow]

I went back to where the model was initially posted on Wowhead and I can't see it anymore in the modelviewer

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragon-aspect-model-updates-in-dragonflight-alexstrazsa-kalecgos-wrathion-and-327700

[upper pasture]

also maybe that model isn't finished yet so they don't want to do the work to put it in yet until they are finished with it

[crystal pond]

Wonder if they gonna put some effects on it
Gonna see it on beta atleast for sure

[pulsar minnow]

Even weirder, his modelviewer isn't working on MMO champion either. Did they just remove his new model entirely?

[crystal pond]

Removed for avoid spoilers maybe?

But we have tons of gifs with wrathion nod animation, blizz what yall doing out here

[pulsar minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/406285497846071306/997256431197765742/wrathion_yes.gif

I almost wonder, and this is a stretch, maybe this is Wrathion's model when he becomes an aspect?

[crystal pond]

Pog then

[pulsar minnow]

It's just a bit odd because we have like 3 dragon rigs. We got the basic drake, the new Dragonriding drake, and the fully-grown dragon raid boss rig

And all the other aspects use the dragon boss rig

[dense plover]

i think thats just wrathions new model

[pulsar minnow]

I think that too I'm just confused as to why they would just remove it

[livid walrus]

the size of him?

those two are not the same size right ?

[pulsar minnow]

Not sure. He'd probably be bigger. In BFA, Wrathion was a young Drake and a lot of his features hadn't even really sprouted yet

Now we don't really know how long its been since SL since they're apparently going for a timeskip, but this new Dragonflight model shows that he's grown at least a little bit

He should supposedly look like this minus the corruption when he's an adult (though of course this was a corrupted vision of N'zoth meant to make Wrathion look like Deathwing to taunt him so it might not be true)

[dense plover]

I mean, it definitely seems like they’re doing a timeskip, so him being older isn’t illogical

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, so It'd probably leave Wrathion at the midstage between drake and dragon, which his new model appears to represent

[plain violet]

By curiosity, how many days/weeks do you think we need to wait for the visage form in the dressing room?

[austere gazelle]

Its still not confirmed since this line was removed for newly created character 🤷‍♂️ they need to confirm it fast or else we'll have a lots of headcanon going on for ages :(

[dense plover]

except they added dialogue on the horde side

they really DO need to make a decision though

[austere gazelle]

Yeah its quite a mess

Schroëdinger timeskip depending on the char you're logged on

[daring kettle]

I hate to bump my own message but i've spent hours rooting around now with no luck

[dense plover]

check the charcustomization db2

then find the ids in there

they might be their own individual m2s

https://discord.gg/qVZDRYfB4A

youll have better luck here

ask in #datamining

[daring kettle]

You're a star, thanks!

[dense plover]

might take a while to get an answer though

so dont repeat bump yourself

or people will just ignore you

[daring kettle]

Yep, gotcha. Felt like I was pushing my luck doing that even here

[dense plover]

this is a big server

i actually missed it

so bumping made sense

that server is much smaller

[daring kettle]

I found everything I needed in like 2 minutes flat

You are a lifesaver

[rain cave]

imagine if the pprepatch is just lorthremar and thalyssra's wedding kek

@uncut lintel

[trail knot]

anduin and jaina wedding leaked too

[uncut lintel]

?

i just want anduin and wrathion

but ppl at blizz hate homo

and the ship

[uncut vault]

it is accessible on new characters now

the only reason it couldnt be accessed before is because new characters couldnt get into the Dragonflight state of the capitol cities

whereas build 1 characters could

[livid walrus]

The moon is gone 😮

[livid walrus]

^

[upper pasture]

wonder if it will have something do to with Kalecgos reassuming the powers of the aspect of magic

[dense plover]

uh - no it isnt?

they just increased the resolution

[livid walrus]

oh it back sorry

[dense plover]

the moon isnt up all the time

thats how moons work

[livid walrus]

they didnt remove it . it was just moved to another location xD sorry on confusion

[dense plover]

is this live or alpha?

[livid walrus]

alpha

[dense plover]

and yes, the moon moves

just like it does on earth

its always done that

i really dont think theres anything significant with the moon

i think they updated it because it was the oldest part of the skybox and appears in every skybox

so it looks out of place in newer zones

only reason it wasnt updated in SLs is because we werent on azeroth

[livid walrus]

i see

[austere gazelle]

That and, I think, the moon will play a role soon, Elune will be feature in this xpack

[pulsar minnow]

Definitely, but to what degree seems unknown. Elune has to approve Ysera's return, since we know she's coming back at some point. Hopefully this expansion doesn't just get highjacked by Elune and cosmological craziness

[opaque pewter]

It's always been part to an extent really. Just go with the flow lol

We just have a way bigger vision and understanding of what everything means now

[pulsar minnow]

I just don't want another Shadowlands. I was initially so excited by the cosmology but that expansion left a terrible taste in my mouth

I just feel like too much interaction with gods sort of cheapens their status as, well, gods to WoW. Its always a bit weird to think that we've already met the titans so it almost undermines their mystery in the Dragon Isles, but it's really not too bad as long as it isn't happening back-to-back

[austere gazelle]

It will. I'm somehow convinced that it'll be an opening with the Life Land with Elune and An'she

[glad niche]

Plot twist. The Titans are just galactic zoo keepers. Azeroth is an egg. When she hatches we will almost die but the survivors will be on the back of a galactic sea turtle. The old gods are just space seagulls trying to eat the baby turtle

[pulsar minnow]

The entire World Of Warcraft is a BFA World Quest

The Tortollan are the First Ones

Amazing.

[glad niche]

It was fortold!!!

[uncut vault]

only on alpha lol

[pulsar minnow]

Reminds me of Overwatch DPS queues right now :/

[glad niche]

Give it a min. The 3rd devastation evoker is still in character creation

[upper pasture]

give it 4 hours you mean? LOL

[glad niche]

I mean, tbf, I wont be in the creator long myself. But thats entirely due to having settled on a look in wowhead dressing room

[pulsar minnow]

I just now realized why they removed Barbershop prices. Dracthyr would be paying thousands of gold every time they go in there 😂

[livid walrus]

someone can check on horde side if the DH hub is gone ? because on SW it is gone

[glad niche]

well that and its outdated kinda. When you can quest for 20 minutes and the barber is pocket change from the gold you made, why have it cost at all

upping the cost would have likely caused a lot of backlash

[pulsar minnow]

Next up: Transmog?

[glad niche]

dew et blizz.

[pulsar minnow]

Oh hey the Raid Finder coloration for the new tier sets looks really good

[upper pasture]

oh dang and i normally dislike the green ones

[uncut lintel]

OH SHIT

[pulsar minnow]

I think this is new actually

[uncut lintel]

its a mint color i like it

[pulsar minnow]

Because I remember last week there was a red, orange, purple, and blue set. The red set is gone. Maybe it looked too similar to the orange color variant?

[uncut lintel]

is that mail? or plate?

[pulsar minnow]

DK Plate

[uncut lintel]

ah

[pulsar minnow]

Though they might be considering putting one color of this set in Professions since those can now be on par with mythic gear IIRC

[upper edge]

is exorcism a vanilla wow talent? I think long arm of the law is too right?

[plain violet]

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/1ALNYXXXSVFP1658897848816.gif

This is absolutely lovely from the Warcraft team. Thanks to them. 😁

[upper pasture]

[cunning fossil]

I wanna use them too

Ahhh damn it

They're so cute

[cunning fossil]

Exorcism was yes

Just removed since jt only dealt with undead

[deep pawn]

Bleh, so I'm gonna have to pug all 3 normals

[plain violet]

They really are, god damn it, Blizzard, your new race is just cute!

[rain cave]

people seem to forget that the titans aren't all powerful

they're equivalent to the eternal ones in SL

like WQ, primus

maybe a bit higher in terms of raw power

but in hierarchy?

I'd say they're the same

I think the first ones are the titans bosses

and our titan pantheon were just assigned to reality, like the eternal ones were assigned to the SL

and elune was assigned to the life side

[jade basalt]

They're definitely not equal in terms of power level.
But yes they hold the same position hierarchically relative to their own realms.

And the First Ones are above all the pantheons.

[cunning fossil]

Ion described the Jailer as more powerful than titans

And since the pantheon of death is only a step down

Probably on par

[rain cave]

Jailer was at base above the others though

[jade basalt]

Well, not quite. He said 'titan plus plus' but he also put Argus and N'Zoth in the same category. He wasn't talking about literal power levels, but how the end boss of Shadowlands had to be a credible, titan plus plus threat, following Legion and BFA-which admittedly is misleading- and not just an orc like MoP or a certain banshee lady.

[rain cave]

As arbiter

[upper edge]

Was it a good move?