It worked as : if you did not need to be a dracthyr to cast a spell, you stay in visage form
#beta-ptr-spoilers
harsh wedge
plain violet
Oh yes no! What MrPeach talk about is the "you can automatically switch back each time, or not"
harsh wedge
Well.. it's already there no ?
lethal tide
btw do you get an email if youre invited to alpha?
harsh wedge
It just switchs to visage form automatically outside of combat, and switches automatically when the spell requires it
plain violet
Chosen would allow to disable the switch. :)
dense plover
^
plain violet
Even after a ride, or mount, etc.
harsh wedge
It does already
But thinking back, I'm not sure 100% there was a spell to just transform into visage form (like the Two Forms spell of worgen), just the chosen identity was there
jade basalt
There's a spell called "Visage" that you can click to switch forms between dracthyr and visage, that was in since week 1.
But there's also a spell called "Chosen Identity", which was added week 2. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631252080195010570/999185375375413318/unknown.png
harsh wedge
Ah so yeah, both were already in the game, that's what I thought
dense plover
There's a spell called "Visage" that you can click to switch forms between dract...
oh ok
so it WAS last build
oops
jade basalt
Yeah you get both spells at the same time when you turn in the final quest of the Dracthyr intro
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/631252080195010570/999185275601289318/unknown.png
dense plover
ah ok
uncut vault
RIP Tokyo drift 😔
dense plover
XD
i would rather proper, weighted, turning
where going faster makes it harder to turn
because thats more engaging
uncut vault
Oh same lol, I’m hoping that it actually does fully incorporate the WASD keys (or at least A and D) rather than just the mouse for movement
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hopefully ill get to see for myself
which again might be a few hours at least
since it seems like theyre taking their time again
jade basalt
Dragonriding for me is vastly superior to flying even now, honestly, so I'm only glad that they're improving it further still.
Like, dragonriding drakes have a "mid-air standstill" or "landing" animation, where it actually looks like a proper dragon slowing down to land/hovering down (and less like you slammed into the ground and suddenly end up using the run animation) https://gfycat.com/PastUncommonIberianmidwifetoad
uncut vault
didnt see anyone say it but servers are down
dense plover
Dragonriding for me is vastly superior to flying even now, honestly, so I'm only...
yeah there were like 12 animations for flying last build
im hoping we see some more added
uncut vault
Dragonriding for me is vastly superior to flying even now, honestly, so I'm only...
the fun thing is it seems like theyre actually going to have differences between this slow fall vs slamming down too via the talents
dense plover
so it looks even better
crystal pond
New test is tommorow then?
dense plover
later today
uncut vault
slamming into the ground has a talent to damage everyone you land on
dense plover
its 1pm PST
new alpha will come sometime in the next 5 or so hours
hopefully sooner rather than later
crystal pond
Oh okay its just 11 pm for me atm x) so i was confusing a little about time
crystal pond
Ok thanks!
dense plover
other regions dont matter in regards to alpha/beta/ptr
because the devs are located in california
cobalt spoke
And here I find myself again, another alpha build... another 
for shadow changes
dense plover
And here I find myself again, another alpha build... another <:Prayge:7820156700...
im sure theyll get something over time
i know right now theyre working on the worst offenders and getting new stuff in
cobalt spoke
Just losing hope seeing all these other classes getting feedback
and priest getting 0
dense plover
Just losing hope seeing all these other classes getting feedback
its literally alpha week 3
and only hunter has seen changes really
losing hope now is dumb
its like losing hope b/c your favorite team lost their first matchup of the season in whatever sports you like
beta is almost entirely going to be class changes
thats kinda the entire point of this expac
cobalt spoke
I mean when trees that have been out for less time are getting heavy feedback and yours isn't
kinda feels bad
ionic terrace
rain cave
Hunter is also easier to adjust
cobalt spoke
dense plover
i guarantee you, in fact, i promise you, every single class will see changes continue
maybe not this build
but over the course of alpha and beta
especially because beta is literally only for this
theres no secondary system to test
and if they fuck up talents, the whole expac is shot
they know this
cobalt spoke
Still remember back to legion alpha/beta... when shadow priests told them repeatedly that S2M was going to be an issue... and the devs turned a deaf ear to it... and lo and behold it was a huge issue
dense plover
take a chill pill and wait for more people to have access
cobalt spoke
There's precedent.
dense plover
legion was 3 expacs ago
rain cave
Was fun
dense plover
and theyve learned lessons since then
ionic terrace
Leg ion
vernal juniper
So what do you think about the date of November as release?
rain cave
Like I think they knew they wanted that shit to be op on launch
cobalt spoke
Sure it was fun and OP but it was immediately guillotined
dense plover
So what do you think about the date of November as release?
i think november is prepatch
cobalt spoke
(after EN)
jade basalt
the fun thing is it seems like theyre actually going to have differences between...
Currently you already can slam into the ground, there's a sound effect and I think a little earth-breaking FX as well when you do it, but the mount itself doesn't have any special animation for doing so, so not sure if the talent just adds damage or also adds an animation 🤔
dense plover
it fucks with family stuff
jade basalt
Last week there was about 7 hours between servers going down and servers coming back up FYI, but there's no real pattern
fierce shell
That turning change seems bad, but i gotta try it
vernal juniper
The original leaker (the one who posted the screens of DF) said in the past also "WTLK release September" "Season 4 deleted" (missed) "DF release November"
dense plover
That turning change seems bad, but i gotta try it
why would that be bad?
right now its literally weird drifting
jade basalt
The original leaker (the one who posted the screens of DF) said in the past also...
Are you referring to the in-game screenshots? Cause those were just part of the press kits
dense plover
^
jade basalt
Beta is September by the way
uncut lintel
Dragonriding for me is vastly superior to flying even now, honestly, so I'm only...
wonder if theyll animate the wings correctly in the game like they did the cinamatic
dense plover
wonder if theyll animate the wings correctly in the game like they did the cinam...
theyre animated pretty well currently
dragonriding has a bunch of unique animations
its why it isnt available on all mounts
vernal juniper
Are you referring to the in-game screenshots? Cause those were just part of the ...
no, the day before of the announcement on MMOchampiosn we got a leak with screens and new classes (he was also talking about evoker 1 week ahead)
uncut lintel
the wings fly backwards in current i die inside
dense plover
new dragons actually have, afaik, a different skeleton, which is how they support the new wing stuff
dense plover
or at least its a separate skeleton to prevent it bugging out on old models
dense plover
i want a fox dragon
thats a thing
dense plover
i am curious about other flying mounts - are they just going to be Dragonriding customizations or are they not going to support dragon riding?
uncut lintel
i hope they support it but we will see
jade basalt
Dragonriding actually also comes with proper animations that match your movement, eg. when you soar, your mount clearly does a soaring upward movement whereas when you normal-fly on a normal flying mount your mount just goes up vertically.
The other day I just turned left and right in quick succession between the trees and noticed my mount kind of tilted its wings left and then right, which surprised me, and yeah it seems to tilt in the direction you're turning. https://gfycat.com/RelievedWeirdKinkajou
Not all the transitions are perfectly smooth yet but it just feels much more natural already.
dense plover
my guess is the number of animations for dragonriding will be double or triple the current number by launch
fierce shell
revert the turning change, sim stuff sucks
dense plover
revert the turning change, sim stuff sucks
you dont even know how it plays
fierce shell
we'll see
ionic terrace
dense plover
stupid watcher
fierce shell
i think they saw videos of people doing iron forge speed runs
and said fun detected
jade basalt
new dragons actually have, afaik, a different skeleton, which is how they suppor...
I was wondering why it felt so much better running on my dragonriding drake, whereas I distinctly remembered drakes being ridiculous on the ground.
It's because they use the new drake/dragon running animation (which must've been implemented specifically in preparation for Dragonflight btw), contrary to my old black drake which looks like it's just going for a stroll downtown.
https://gfycat.com/AchingDeafeningElephantseal
https://gfycat.com/TerrificSillyFlatfish
dense plover
i think they saw videos of people doing iron forge speed runs
but you cant dragon fly in the old world
fierce shell
but you cant dragon fly in the old world
dracthyr
dense plover
dracthyr
dracthyr can fly once every 5 min
and this isnt a nerf
it literally is just more dynamic turning
fierce shell
i kind of hope we can eventualy use dragon flying in real world
dense plover
i kind of hope we can eventualy use dragon flying in real world
maybe one day, definitely not near launch
fierce shell
it literally is just more dynamic turning
oh i thought it was slower turning
ionic terrace
Drakthyr, Thorgast, and Heartstone
dense plover
it could literally just be animations
fierce shell
guess we'll find out soon
jade basalt
i am curious about other flying mounts - are they just going to be Dragonriding ...
I think it was Ion who mentioned that they'd like to enable Dragonriding for old mounts but it would require lots of re-building cause they don't have the right skeletons and animations, or they'd have to trim out where it make sense (like how do you do Dragonriding for Mimiron's Head?) and only enable it for some.
dense plover
I was wondering why it felt so much better running on my dragonriding drake, whe...
oh neat, they use the more modern fast run animations
dense plover
I think it was Ion who mentioned that they'd like to enable Dragonriding for old...
i think anything with big wings makes sense
especially the new mounts from recent expacs
jade basalt
Dragonriding definitely needs to be a feature that they carry forward. It's not only better than flying but also will solve the issue of people not liking being restricted to ground mounts for the first year of the expansion and having to unlock flying later. Also it makes zones and quest design and everything, better. It can't entirely replace flying though.
Just rename it to "Skyriding" or something.
fierce shell
i am kinda sad no spec got a revamp, i dont really like most of the SL designs
it's all mostly the same with a few more buttons if you want
dense plover
i mean, theyre all still pretty similar to legion with a few changes in BfA
shaman is also getting pretty significantly changed
so your interpretation is definitely incorrect
the shift to heavy totem use, the ability to offtank returning
theres some neat stuff from shaman
even if their talent tree could use a serious cleanup
dense plover
warlock doesnt even have trees yet my dude
it could be totally different
though i hope demo stays the same
i love the zoo its become]
let me summon 20 monsters plz
i feel like affliction will benefit pretty significantly from changes caused by challenge trees
allow it to focus heavily on DoTs
jade basalt
I don't particularly care for revamps personally, you only want to revamp if it makes sense to, not just for the sake of it.
But those new talent trees honestly are kinda game changers. First of all you can change talents anywhere, anytime. So you can literally just swap spells like that, instantaneously. It may not sound like much but it feels completely different when you're actually in-game. Like you can decide to add +6% Leech or +3% Avoidance like that. Or get that one passive or a couple active spells for a specific boss. Or get a movement spell cause you're in a question area with some cliffs or whatever.
You can also save loadouts now. So that again changes your behavior. You can save one build for questing for example, with the more convenient and utility talents. And you can have a build for that raid, a build for that dungeon, etc.
Just that alone makes the talent system feel different. It's not something you set and forget. Or something that you just change maybe 1 or 2 talents before a raid fight. It's much more modular and reactive.
And the fact that they separated class talents from spec talents makes the whole thing feel quite different as well. Don't have to choose between a shield and a damaging spell anymore, you can get your class-shield and your spec-damage.
And finally, you probably have to look at each one to really see it but, the "spec tree" isn't really a single tree. It's really 2 trees, or 3 or 4 sometimes. There's different paths, or the tree is split into distinct sections, kind of like sub-trees. Like on frost death knight for example I remember I could specialize more on Obliterate and two-handedness, more in Frost spells and AoE. On shaman you had the Totem path, the Storm path, or the Lava path. And obviously you can combine them. Personally I went for a majority of Lava passives (procs etc.), and a few Storm actives.
cobalt spoke
Think shaman is a very bad example here
Class and the spec trees are actually the literal best
DK trees are also fairly good
There's very little in the class tree that any given spec doesn't want
Imagine being a shadow priest where you can't even consider the left side of the class tree because it does nothing for you 
dense plover
Imagine being a shadow priest where you can't even consider the left side of the...
except allowing you to off heal
which could be useful for world bosses or specific raid bosses
like - you are discounting the applications by thinking about how you currently play
this is a new way to play
fierce shell
my fav specs used to be afflock and assassin, but didn't like them in SL
cobalt spoke
most people who play shadow play it to do damage, not to play discount healer
If you wanna do dam and heal you play disc, that's the entire point of the spec
dense plover
i do see what you mean regarding the priest class tree
fierce shell
i dont like void form, i like shadow in earlier expacs
dense plover
it looks you in pretty early and that is poorly designed
but i think we will see some changes before beta
if we dont, ill be genuinely surprised
dense plover
again, we are 3 weeks into alpha
and most classes arent playable
so i would wait a bit
once all classes are playable im sure we will start seeing wide changes
cobalt spoke
uncut vault
man I really hope these eyes become a player option like the swatches hint at
cause they look so good on void elves lol
uncut lintel
whoa they look cool
plain violet
man I really hope these eyes become a player option like the swatches hint at
... It's so AMAZING.
What are those eyes? O_o
dense plover
theyre primalist eyes
uncut vault
all the player races got NPC eye options for the Primalists, the group of shamans serving the incarnates
dense plover
they might just be for npc customization
uncut vault
but unlike the NPC dragon eyes, they have names and customization swatches
rain cave
man I really hope these eyes become a player option like the swatches hint at
bruh actually cool af wth
dense plover
or they might be a reward from something
uncut vault
rain cave
get a loyalist campaign throughout the xpac
uncut lintel
i want it on my troll
uncut lintel
troll primalist plz
rain cave
primalists could be an actual continued plot thread I reckon
plain violet
A green one would have been perfect for my tauren.. alas!
rain cave
instead of a one and done like some think
dense plover
i dont think theyre going to be one and done
especially if they tie into the bronze flight murozond stuff
not to mention its unclear HOW theyre connected to the djaradin but they definitely are somehow
rain cave
djaradin playable horde race plz
at end of xpac
because I feel the primalists might get some kind of "we were actually kind of right just went about it the wrong way" ending
plain violet
not to mention its unclear HOW theyre connected to the djaradin but they definit...
Maybe it's because "primal elemental magic" ?
rain cave
and the djaradin might have a faction that aids us
that is the good side of that argument
plain violet
I have seen on datamining and spells that there is "primal fire" "primal thunder"...
uncut vault
we also only actually defeat 1/4 of the incarnates in 10.0 afaik
rain cave
yes
also I'm interested in how they called the djaradin half giants
but giants don't exist in WoW
lol
uncut vault
and given her prison was underground, and 10.1 is seemingly going underground, we're probably going to go to wherever the djaradin come from and see the others
plain violet
Ettins, maybe?
dense plover
and given her prison was underground, and 10.1 is seemingly going underground, w...
thats my theory
uncut vault
giants were some of the original titan constructs
dense plover
djaradin are related
they went to sleep when the island did
i dont think thats true for like - centaurs, gnolls, and furbolgs
uncut vault
frost giants like the sons of hodir are an example of them
dense plover
btw did you ever get a chance to see if old furbolg still use the legion model?
rain cave
giants were some of the original titan constructs
the wowpedia page looks like elementals to me
the new furbolgs use drogbar skeleton don't they
uncut vault
sea giants also exist
uncut vault
so the djaradin might be the descendants of a now-extinct earth or fire giant species
uncut vault
that too, since that is the original origin of the giants at large
plain violet
That would be.. interesting.
rain cave
10.0 do really be the "go back I want to be monke" patch
crimson jasper
Where Hozen?
glad niche
We don't have any crickets. But don't worry. My hiccups will fill your awkward silence
dense plover
this is another slow build isnt it 😦
glad niche
You mean the alpha launch or?
dense plover
yes
plain violet
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonriding-mount-customization-options-renewed-proto-drake-328009?webhook
They really didn't joke about that.
I am impressed.
harsh wedge
Clearly going into the right direction with those
uncut lintel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonriding-mount-customization-options-renewed-pr...
nice
plain violet
I agree, it's the right direction of custom.
dense plover
i dont think thats even everything
but the customization options are a bit weird to datamine
uncut lintel
ye
dense plover
well, its now peak build time
we have about 2-3 hours before we need to worry about the build actually dropping today
glad niche
I'm for it. I just hope pieces I like most aren't nightmares to obtain 😩😭
Wise choice to start with the proto too. It's my personal least fav. But the customizations shown give me hope
dense plover
it makes sense on a story sense too
its the most connected to the primalists
and its the most well known drake model
so taking it and showing the redesign early and getting your comfortable with the beak is good
jade basalt
I've actually seen more people use the proto-drake (and wyvern) than other mounts oddly enough, in alpha so far. Purely anecdotal though.
dense plover
it has some good animations
dense plover
to my knowledge there are very few options for that one live on alpha
and i dont blame people not using it with those stupid deer horns with the other options you have
not to mention, some people probably used the pterodactyl one on live for a while from BfA and are burned out on the animations
jade basalt
Only the blue drake was available for customization so far
dense plover
yeah
the default for pterodactyl is - not good
its honestly pretty ugly
but the options ive seen datamined should make it look different
i like the long boi and the wyvern ones better tho
ionic terrace
💤
plain violet
and i dont blame people not using it with those stupid deer horns with the other...
😢
I will surely go for a nature-dragon, considering my character. Even if I LOVE dragons and reptiles.
jade basalt
This is what it looks like on the Dragonflight website https://i.imgur.com/sWf6aZi.png
glad niche
I played a zandalari druid long enough to not be interested in that one
But we will see, once I can preview all it's options
So far the proto has promise and the true drake (or whatever you wanna the western 4 legged one) was my first like
I'm def happy we aren't locked to one in particular
I'm also hype for those stables in org. No idea how they will function but I'm hopeful my chosen Drake at any point is just visible in there
And that there will be one in the new DF city. Cause if it's got a proper AH and such I might not visit org often
uncut vault
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonriding-mount-customization-options-renewed-pr...
the drakes basically got added as "playable race" slots in the game, so that they could use the customization UI
cause theyve got that much stuff
plain violet
the drakes basically got added as "playable race" slots in the game, so that the...
Amazing! :o
I really like how it goes, it's a great addition.
uncut vault
dense plover
looks like its coming soon
ionic terrace
Soon
dense plover
theyre updated
Ruby Life Pools
Mage
Level 62
Paladin
Jewelcrafting and Leatherworking
barbershop is free baby!
its only 2/3 pally specs
ionic terrace
Hm
upper pasture
tfw you mained holy paladin in 9.2 and 9.2.5
dense plover
still waiting on the actual build
ionic terrace
And invite
upper pasture
this was my shot and now it's been spoiled XD
ionic terrace
cunning fossil
OOOH
uncut vault
dense plover
there it is
cunning fossil
👀
crystal pond
In this zone we gonna get sabellian?
cunning fossil
Prot and Ret trees but no holy
Woerd
Maybe they're really working hard for holy trees
upper pasture
Gif bar broken? 😦
uncut vault
Prot and Ret trees but no holy
the alpha really doesnt need more healers atm
mossy meteor
^
uncut vault
healer is currently the longest queue of the three
mossy meteor
(fuck holy pala anyway)
cunning fossil
Rude
I didn't MEAN to sound ungrateful
I lmow it doesn't 't need more healers but Holy still needs testing of course
uncut vault
oh wow, we're already getting voice acting
ivory meadow
oh?
cunning fossil
Oooh seeet
jade basalt
Yay they removed Wrathion calling Sabellian "brother". Had reported it because he's technically his half-uncle. https://i.imgur.com/kbTPm8J.png
upper pasture
WOAH Kalecgos
jade basalt
pulsar minnow
Ysera is back!!!
upper pasture
nope
languid yoke
not using their dragon forms
upper pasture
that;s still Merithra
languid yoke
uncut vault
that looks like it's gonna be Merithra's look
ivory meadow
Liadrin's Fury got added for paladin; that's a legendary effect right?
pulsar minnow
It's one of those two. I'm leaning on Ysera just because of the datamined stuff and that her face markings and eyes match Ysera's
upper pasture
Check out the stunning Dragon isles loading screen artwork coming in Dragonflight!
This loading screen features representatives from the major dragonflights:
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder, Aspect of the Red Dragonflight
Kalecgos, Ambassador of the Blue Dragonflight
Wrathion, the Black Prince
Nozdormu the Timeless One, Aspect of the Bronze Dragonflight
Merithra of the Dream, Leader of the Green Dragonflight
pulsar minnow
Did blizz say that or was it just Wowhead?
ivory meadow
Word of Glory heals for an additional (~~105%~~500% of Attack power) over 15 sec.
upper pasture
why would it be anyone other than Merithra? isn't she currently the leader of the green? if ysera comes back it would be in game not on a random loading screen with no fanfare
uncut lintel
😮
dense plover
"49318 ERR_INFORM_SUGGEST_INVITE_S %s suggested that their group invites you. 1
49319 ERR_INFORM_SUGGEST_INVITE_SS %1$s suggested that %2$s invite you to their group." looks like you can suggest group invites
ionic terrace
but ill keep checking
I haven’t seen anyone saying they were invited yet
dense plover
if that wasnt a thing already
pulsar minnow
why would it be anyone other than Merithra? isn't she currently the leader of th...
Well we really don't know what the 10.0 story entails yet so maybe it might make sense depending on what happens
ionic terrace
Though I haven’t been looking rly
cunning fossil
Havn't checked yet
uncut lintel
o - o
ionic terrace
Did you?
cerulean lava
not yet 😂
dense plover
looks like more work on the hunting pet - you can only have one additional ability now
ionic terrace
I do wish they would say something about invites but…
dense plover
looks like paragon rep is planned to be supported on launch
ionic terrace
uncut lintel
bird face
cunning fossil
Crying
dense plover
"Basrikron, The Shale Wing" - might be a World Boss?
looks like the rep/renown cap was changed to 30
upper pasture
what are these anima powers they added???
cunning fossil
Is alpha iprn?
upper pasture
im looking at the stuff added yesterday
jade basalt
that looks like it's gonna be Merithra's look
It looks exactly like Ysera tho
https://i.imgur.com/leMC0H5.png
https://i.imgur.com/tUtW61L.png
https://i.imgur.com/GlGLBQc.png
uncut lintel
LOL
jade basalt
Like, not just resembling, like how Wrathion was made to resemble Deathwing. This exactly is Ysera. The horns, the tattoos, the blue eyes, the crescent moon thingy, the hair bangs. Even what looks like Ardenweald magic threads in her hair.
uncut lintel
It looks exactly like Ysera tho
https://i.imgur.com/leMC0H5.png
https://i.imgur....
yea it is ysera the crown is obvs
uncut vault
Im not gonna put too much stock into who it is just yet simply because merithra's only had a player model
jade basalt
ysera doesn't have eyebrows
She does, they're under the crescent moon hair thingy
uncut vault
and it feels weird to bring Ysera back front and center this soon after tying her to ardenweald and starting merithra on a path to leading on her own
pulsar minnow
The deep blue eyes are the kicker to me
uncut vault
if it is her, that's gonna be pretty bad storytelling lol
pulsar minnow
The last two expansions kinda wrote the team into a corner
jade basalt
To be fair they did tease that she was going to return to Azeroth. But she said it would cost a great sacrifice and Tyrande was willing to do it but Ysera said no.
My guess is that if she returns it would be a temporary thing though, no way they bring her back permanently or that would nullify the whole Merithra plot. And her death obviously.
ionic terrace
Her npcs still have her player model
dense plover
so they added a bunch of generic dragon dialogue
https://wow.tools/casc/preview/chash?buildconfig=3d14ea0ac53d339281d2af57ffbaa998&cdnconfig=2753318a54a570529d3b64ea07603cdb&filename=4574043.ogg&contenthash=4dc1c704db6356af4dd75a0a05b7edf2 does this sound like jeremy irons to anyone else? i know it probably isnt but
pulsar minnow
To be fair they did tease that she was going to return to Azeroth. But she said ...
Well she does have ties to the dream, and almost everyone just comes back eventually if they're tied to the dream. Except ursoc 😭
upper pasture
ANOTHER TURTLE
cunning fossil
She's back
uncut lintel
TORTLE
pulsar minnow
The cycle of life can be cruel
uncut lintel
A DRAGON MADE IT TO THE WATER
ionic terrace
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=195153/merithra still her old model tho
cerulean lava
COME TURTLES
dense plover
oculeth is showing up
jade basalt
Kalec looks so much better though
And not actually that different, pretty much just the hair, it looks more like actual hair and less like a block of hair or a wig
https://i.imgur.com/HSCx4G3.png
https://i.imgur.com/hqWeuLB.png
dense plover
also chromie is now somewhere on the isles
cunning fossil
Oh no he's hot
upper pasture
yeah his ingame model does nothing but that artwork tho....
dense plover
new future mounts
mossy meteor
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essentially went a "fuck consecration build"
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new "currency" types - i believe this is tied to renown
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the mage trees ..
oof
class tree is a disaster
Rune of power and shimmer locked behind fully situational things
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"Siege on Dragonbane Keep Sabellion and Wrathion's forces are attempting to take Dragonbane Keep. Assistance is requested. "
this is a new scenario
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new "currency" types - i believe this is tied to renown
i want rep tokens like mop had
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class tree is a disaster
They seem to be yaving troubles with the pure DPS classes
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big story implications
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Which is honestly fair
Because what can you give them other than "more damage"?
If you give them too much, you have problems
But if the hunter trees are anything to look at
I have a very big feeling that they will be keeping an eye on Mages
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new quest objectives Time-Lost Enemies Killed 0 14 190941 0 0 0 70369 430386 Time-Lost Champions Killed
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I believe in them to, since they actually took hunter feedback to heart and did stuff
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maybe related to time adventure?
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So no way they don't do it for mages
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also looks like the nola turtle stuff involves a named turtle
"Cuddle Kilpi the Sea Turtle"
cunning fossil
Awwww
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dragon races have unique names now
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Naicu
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they're thankfully future-proofing the artisan's consortium
cunning fossil
Lmao
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a set of armor as a renown reward from dragonscale expedition likely
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these next few things are under renown rewards
some are crafting specific and i wont be doing those unless theyre more general
actually story related
explains a bit about how the dragonscale expedition comes about
and im going to guess its in the game as some quest stuff too
archaeology stuffs
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Activity Unlock - Photography Tours Unlock your Expedition Camera and gain access to the Photography Expedition activities in various places across the Dragon Isles.
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dragon races have unique names now
What do you mean by that?
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Old titan reference
yeah theres 9 or 12 and theyre for teleporting around
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What do you mean by that?
like its not azure span race 4
its like - Fancy Forest Flyby
theyre named
that was a made up example
jade basalt
Ah gotcha
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Activity Unlock - Climbing Backpack Earn a Dragonscale Expedition Backpack, allowing you to take part in special clmbing activities across the Dragon Isles.
"Purchase Expedition Metal Detectors in the Dragonscale Basecamp from Pathfinder Jebb, that grants you the ability to track treasures on your mini-map for a short time. "
theyre consumable now
makes sense
Purchase the Mech-A-Duck Tracker Core in the Expedition Basecamp from Boss Magor, a crucial component in having the Mech-a-Duck pet crafted, which can help you find treasure around the Dragon Isles.
jade basalt
Ha, getting this now https://i.imgur.com/bjYHhnR.png
Instead of a list of grey realms
ionic terrace
ionic terrace
Where invites
ivory meadow
so I just need to be subscribed or have game time to get invited?
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if i dont get in this week, im honestly giving up
ionic terrace
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Dragonfly Riding Unlock the ability to find and tame dragonfly mounts, purchase some dragonfly mounts in the Dragonscale Basecamp from Granpap Whiskers.
this is neat
subtle oar
so I just need to be subscribed or have game time to get invited?
no. Alpha invites are not random, but targeted and selective
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a type of dragon is tied to dragonscale rep
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no. Alpha invites are not random, but targeted and selective
some are random
theres UI toasts for gathering stuff
{NYI}Learn to use Tyrivite and Draconium Repair Hammers to freely repair axes and polearms.
idk what this means
maybe profession related?
or like regular repair related
which seems sorta worthless
HotR less noodle? Delete HotR make this improve CS as a ST option?
someone left dev text somewhere^^^
might be pally related?
jade basalt
Yay, they replaced Kalecite with Malygite. Wonder if it's because I reported that it didn't make sense for a Dragon Isle stone to be named after Kalec, when the Aspect was Malygos.
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uncut vault
I reported the same, glad they acted so quickly lol
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Twitter
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dont think this was in last build - waking shores map
does anyone know of anyone who didnt have access before and got access?
i havent seen anyone say anything
cunning fossil
I reported the same, glad they acted so quickly lol
Lore Corrections in-game? Crazy
jade basalt
Servers up
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yeah so far, i just see people asking if a wave has gone out, no one saying "i got in"
i wonder if they were waiting for servers to come up?
but it can also take like 4+ hours
so
time to wait
🤞
cobalt spoke
yea they made pom instant
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but it does mean they are still doing something
jade basalt
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start of waking shore
are you ally or horde?
b/c i suspect the spawn is separate for them
jade basalt
Ally
cunning fossil
Wot
jade basalt
dense plover
Well mrgm has two alphas now so ig that’s something?
that might mean a wave went or has started going out
cerulean lava
😍
cerulean lava
that might mean a wave went or has started going out
u got the alpha?
plain violet
Yeah. xD
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not so far
plain violet
Arcane and Frost was difficult.
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but im gonna wait 4 hours before i give up all hope
cerulean lava
same here :))
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thats the longest ive ever seen it take
uncut vault
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shiny
cerulean lava
I would love to test all this shit 😂
mossy meteor
yee mage is a disaster
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yee mage is a disaster
it suffers the same problem as priest
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WAT
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idk why these are so terrible
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ARE THEY UPDATING SPELL ANIMATONS AND SHIT FOR OTHER CLASSES
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havent checked priest
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the top should have connections if you want
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the actual spec trees seem ok for mage
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frost too
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oh hey
plain violet
I love it!!
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priest feedback
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waiting for monk trees tbh
cunning fossil
jesus, mage class tree is a hot mess
Same thing happened with Hunter trees to be fair
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apparerntly ww might get white tager statue
cobalt spoke
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based in an icon
cunning fossil
It's just a matter of not wanting to make them broken
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ivory meadow
is that supernova?
ivory meadow
wow that's a glowup
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TLDR for the priest stuff - its coming
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https://i.imgur.com/oSoBCPL.png
https://i.imgur.com/HpeLJbo.png
this is why the frogs in nazmir hide
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https://i.imgur.com/oSoBCPL.png
https://i.imgur.com/HpeLJbo.png
when did they add a fin to the dragontoad
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they scared of this bad boi
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neat
cunning fossil
TLDR for the priest stuff - its coming
And priest were passing themselves hehe
Sorry I forgot to disable @
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is shadow priest gonna be playable in dragonflight orstill be awful
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paladin trees do infact look good
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idk how anyone can play shadow
cunning fossil
They literally just said changes and feedback is being taken
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is shadow priest gonna be playable in dragonflight orstill be awful
they have no feedback yet
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they essentially said "we are working on it"
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NO MORE SHADOW FORM PLZ
mossy meteor
paladin trees are damn good
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can pally have infinite bubble
dense plover
yeah
theyre designed well so you dont have to spend a bunch of points you dont want to
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oh im not even looking at the talents themselves really - im just looking at how easy it is to cross the tree
the easier it is, the more varied builds can be
its why mage's tree is terrible
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ofc some the utility might depend if you're raiding with more paladins but utility is good
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because you literally cant unless you dedicate a ton of points to doing so
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2 boss dungeon
incomplete
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oh okay
mossy meteor
yeah
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no choice at all
cunning fossil
Again, it's probably because it's way harder to keep those in line for damage specs
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just "which one do you want"
uncut vault
is that supernova?
arcane surge
plain violet
Arcane Surge is the new arcane CD.
ivory meadow
arcane surge
ah I see.
plain violet
You spend all your mana then gain a buff.
plain violet
Sound really interesting to use.
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dang i hope i get in
this is making me sad
i care about this game, i want to help test
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and i dont have the money
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o
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and im doing the job of a QA paid worked
i shouldnt have to pay when im doing work that realistically, should be paid
but yeah, we will see - it might take a few hours
or for all i know, my account has been flagged but since im not subbed, it doesnt flag the same?
if i find some extra money, ill sub for a month just to prove my point
assuming i dont get in
which seems likely currently
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okay apparently
wowhead got some stuff wrong
and the mage tree is different in game
than on the talent calc
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💀
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than on the talent calc
oh thats good
anyone mind grabbing a screenshot?
im assuming the connections are fucked?
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help people, help :d
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@uncut vault
can you create a template mage and grab a screenshot of the trees?
i would do this but still dont have access 😦
mossy meteor
same, although i'm probably not gonna get it anyway because i slacked during 9.2 ptr
was playing tbc instead
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o
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sheesh
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actually a decent tree
cunning fossil
Nani
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but far less so since you can cross over more
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hese trees are gonna be so confusing
cerulean lava
F
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or i just wait till i type "wowhead guide bis feral druid tree"
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i think only the class tree is fucked
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oh wait
its the top talent
but i guess that doesnt matter?
no wait
i think theyre the same
hmmmm
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maybe wowhead fixed it
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¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Nani
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rogue talents look good
they moved some stuff in the new build
they re-did the surv tree
time to play with it
cunning fossil
You can take 2 cap talents like the other classes now. That's good
mossy meteor
prolly didnt need this but w/e
it's looking more like
do you want more st/pet damage
or just bombs
which is nice
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#RangedSurvuval utility
mossy meteor
yeah depending on how it looks like
you probably can go ranged
TIL
guess we'll wait 3 days and see if game time is an issue @dense plover
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oh
ember blaze
another wave, another 31 dec release waiting room 😭
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thanks
guess we will see
i might have to wait for the next wave too
also depends on if i actually do get in within the new few hours
still technically possible
mage class tree isnt as bad as i thought
you can actually get 2 capstones
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ruby life pools is interesting
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its pretty
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there's a miniboss
ionic terrace
ur a miniboss
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and there's a bunch of eggs on the side that spawn a lot of adds
and the miniboss charges random players
so 100% gotta clear the eggs or position nicely
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oooo
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lots of fire-y elementals
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sounds like that one dragon legion boss
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ooh second boss drops a meteor
rolling meteor on the ground
ooh final boss is uh
a gigantic dragon
proto drake anyway
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yeah thats them clearing out the temp maps
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https://i.imgur.com/JNo7vgX.png
https://i.imgur.com/sKPvCc9.png
this doesnt contradict my "titan creation" theory
but they may in fact be elemental manifestations considering their ties to earth and fire
jade basalt
They're literally vrykul, like, narratively. And visually as well, just taller and with lava.
Dragon-hunting etc.
cunning fossil
Ok I finally started playing with the Mage trees and
WoW
Class tree is shit
You literally have to pick the middle row if you want a damage buff
That's insane
Inhope they make it like DKs
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yeah its just not connected enough in the first section
the 2nd section is fine
and the end is a bit lame
but the first section requiring so much specification sucks
cunning fossil
Agreed
The simple solution is to make it LIKED talents imo
How there's is all more or less linked by at least 2 places
And you can't even get to more than one capstone talent in there holy crap
This is REALLY bad good lord
cunning fossil
Really junky though
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yep
cunning fossil
Ideally you should be able to get 2 of any combi
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they just need to connect the 1st section a bit
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^
Does anyone know what thw question mark on the left side of the Frost tree is supposed to be?
jade basalt
When Selistra (a red dragon) flew in, she was using dragonriding animations, so NPCs use them too!
Wrathion too
Hey they changed the Glide animation in Visage form! https://gfycat.com/EnormousFickleBlackpanther
We Doctor Strange now
Whereas before we kind of just stood awkwardly straight on air https://gfycat.com/OrdinaryColdBeauceron
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i assume the first is the new one?
it looks decent
think they should switch the particles out for something different
crisp raft
Not sure where to post this but I think I found an tooltip error on the Paladin DF talent tree calculator on wowhead
upper pasture
crisp raft
Thanks 🙂
proper crystal
dressing room right now not working for anyone else? 😓 Won't load for me right now, tried multiple browsers on different devices
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Hey they changed the Glide animation in Visage form! https://gfycat.com/Enormous...
they need to do that to the priest cloud
cause that bottom one is just horrendous
jade basalt
i assume the first is the new one?
yup
It looks similar to the dracthyr-form Glide, just without wings
proper crystal
Hey they changed the Glide animation in Visage form! https://gfycat.com/Enormous...
that looks a lot better
glass flicker
Who are you kidding? We'll get another damn death elemental mount.
glass flicker
It is?
cosmic beacon
u can literally check the fated raid achieve
cosmic beacon
complete all raids on fated from normal up
uncut lintel
from lfr* and up
glass flicker
I'm going to crawl back under my rock.
glad niche
FIANLLY I got my owlcat form on my druud
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Teldrassil?
young latch
no talents
glass flicker
Oh, you mean talents.
dense plover
yeah i can confirm at this point that i didnt get in this time
glad niche
Has the new alpha launched now?
errant prairie
yeah, new build has been up for a few hours
young latch
oh damn did they destroy thermal void builds for frost mage?
flurry has a cooldown now
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i mean - builds are totally different now
young latch
Glacial spike build is just going to be strictly better if flurry has a cooldown I think.
And a lot of people do not enjoy the builder spender version of frost.
ember blaze
frost should have an aoe spender
shoot down your icicles down into the targeted location 🙂
striking all enemies within
jade basalt
found a Watcher https://i.imgur.com/mhYGcLv.png
young latch
Improved blizzard, snowstorm and cold front is probably going to be the maxed aoe version of frost while also taking meteor
young latch
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/mage/frost/BNEUkkREIgmM0UQCFANVVVEVEyEGAmBQBV I -think- this might be the most flexible frost aoe build but I'm not super sure yet? Some of these talents are a bit vague.
Cold front is probably better than thermal void in dungeons though.
crimson jasper
Teldrassil?
this gave me a good chuckle xd
glass flicker
You're welcome!
mortal zephyr
phase 3 began yesterday
deep pawn
Prot looked serviceable but nothing mind blowing
Did they bring back frostfire bolt somewhere? On phone so can't really check
cunning fossil
Did they bring back frostfire bolt somewhere? On phone so can't really check
THey did not
cunning fossil
Prot looked serviceable but nothing mind blowing
IT shouldn't be too mind blowing. Prot is already awesome as is.
now we just get more toys to play with
ember blaze
judgment talent to generate holy power. Wont feel worthless on holy
deep pawn
This big massive tree and they couldn't find a way to bring frostfire bolt back, for shame.
cunning fossil
to be fair, flurry fills Frosfire's niche and I don't even remember what it did besides more damage
IMO, Flurry is more engaging
and the new Glacial Comet passive makes me wanna play flurry IFrost MAge
but the Mage Class tree needs hella work right now
deep pawn
Frostfire just looked cooler.
cunning fossil
fair
deep pawn
I'd take a glyph to change frostbolt and fireball, but blizzard is all about pvp clarity
cunning fossil
Flurry has a 40 se ond CD now??
wierd
ok yeah this is a little wierd
why do does every other class have to put talents towards their intterupts when mages don't?
Man this tree is confusing
Hoep they looka t the class tree for Mage. this does need serious help
why is dragon's breath SO LOW
i would think that would be something at the start of the firesection of the tree
beyond that, there are only 2 fire abilities in the entire class tree
which is dumb
sorry 3, forgot about blast wave
deep pawn
Fire spells were never really utility
And I doubt they wanna give cauterize to the others
cunning fossil
and I agree the fact you hafe to spend points into Cone or Shatter, then Remove Curse, then either slow or spellsteal JUST to get RUne or Flow is horrible
also, I inda get you but there could have been at least 5 or 6 fire based effects like maybe add a flame orb that did damage or something
harsh mason
2 boss dungeon
2 weeks ago there were no bosses in this dungeon, so no, not 2. There will be about 4 bosses
cunning fossil
idk it just feels so lackluster that fire is so underrespresented in the dungeon
like every other tree has managed to show a clear defining "spec path"
Mage's is a cluster
there are 3 Ice abilities in the first row like come on now
what should be done IMO is that fire takes the left side of the tree and has a good chunk of the Crit Modifiers, Damage buffs, maybe some sustainability.
Frost should be the left sid eof the tree, also having sustainability but more about control and slows rather than damage and movement
Arcane should be in the center, with their movement utility being towards the fire side and their sustain on the left with frost, as well as having the utility spells like slow, invis, and fun buffs like Time Anomoly
IMO, it just feels more thematic that way than it is right now because right now it just looks like a Frost and Arcane Mage utilty tree with a tiny bit of fire right at the end
like why is shifting power the end cap of the FROST tree like
the entire left sid eis about control and then suddenly "ACTUALLY, CD REDUCTION AND DAMAGE"
This sounds controversial but
I would add cold snap as the end cap talent on the frost side
rain cave
I think it's because they wanted the mage class tree to be useful to all
cunning fossil
well I understand that but right now, it's useful to no one
rain cave
And not have "sides"
If fire mages just take the fire side of the class tree
Why not put those in spec
cunning fossil
that's what happens with most specs anyways though is it not?
rain cave
I'm fine with it being a mix but just don't get why meteor is there lmao
cunning fossil
like on the Hunter tree
as BM or Survival
you're more than likely gonna go towards the left side
as MM, you'll probably go to the right
it's not a bad thing to have specs lean towards oneside or the other
rain cave
Ik
cunning fossil
the point is that you have to choice to not full be encapsulated by just that
cunning fossil
also, other class trees you can reliably take 2 of the 3 end cap talents
in mage, you will be fucked
rain cave
Try to make to fire talents that don't utilise any of the spec features
cunning fossil
and on the way to the end caps, you pick up talents that feel completely useless
cunning fossil
Try to make to fire talents that don't utilise any of the spec features
You do know that Shatter, the main idea of Frost, is on the tree right?
That single passive is the entire spec
rain cave
Maybe they could have made blaster master a class tree
I mean
That's only in pvp now
But I get the history
For shatter
rain cave
Giving shatter to other specs is the point though
cunning fossil
of what I thin would just be a bnetter looking tree
cunning fossil
Giving shatter to other specs is the point though
Then why did you use it as an argument against putting spec features inside the class tree though?
cunning fossil
Try to make to fire talents that don't utilise any of the spec features
YOu did tho
rain cave
I said interacts with spec features
Utilise
Like imagine a class tree talent that interacts with ignite
Wouldn't work
Because only fire has ignite
cunning fossil
that's FIre's mastery though and not something they have to pick up though
livid walrus
renown 😮
rain cave
Like if you want meaningful spec themed talents in the class tree
cunning fossil
There are ways to incorperate aspets of Firemage into the tree without buitchering fire mage is all I'ms aying
cunning fossil
well yes of course it's hard but it'll be hard for every class