why does cow beat elf
#classic-wow
marble prawn
marble prawn
thereitisdude
remote temple
cow have bigger dick thats obvious
unless you want to be a girl elf thhen its hard because female cow sucks
cosmic hatch
@ImportantPeople :P @hardy harness Hey, I think you guys should check this out https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ic0ckc/permabanned_scarab_lord_account_compromised_no/ I think it's worth looking into, any advice? Can't seem to get any kind of straight answer from blizzard.
abstract copper
feel like that's been posted before
cosmic hatch
Frantically scrolls up
tiny nymph
it has, but it was by someone else
plain iris
hearty gale
i just started can anyone call and hlp me figure stuff out and walk me thought some basics ?
abstract copper
bleak pollen
I just started too lmao
I’m honestly kinda bored doing all the starting quests. It’s just a bunch of kill 7 of these and then walk over here
I have to keep watching YouTube videos on my second monitor to get the motivation to play
I think it would be very fun to do these quests with others
I’d love to play with somebody if they want to just vibe and talk about how to play the game and what gear to go for. Etc etc. idk anything about this game lol
Not sure if the 15 bucks a month is worth it or not yet
It seems expensive for me at least. Not a big spender at all and my job barely pays anything
abstract copper
If you have no motivation to play then don't play
you should never feel forced to play
bleak pollen
Well I want to find a reason to play and enjoy it
Like I’ve heard so many good things about the game and a lot of it seems fun especially with friends
I’m just hoping I’m getting through some of the boring parts and I’ll eventually find something I enjoy in it
whole dawn
Classic is definitely not the fun part of the game at least
vale siren
I would love to better understand the appeal of classic WoW. All I've been able to really get is that people like nostalgia. Nostalgia is fun and all, but is that all it offers?
silk shale
abstract copper
@vale siren it offers rpg elements, actual difficulty, a greater sense of community, etc. People want, and like, the jack, the imablance, etc.
vale siren
Rpg elements is a fair quality. WoW retail definitely has more "gamification". A greater sense of community is also a good point - smaller and by game design requiring more interpersonal interaction. Those are good points!
I don't agree with "actual difficulty". As someone who has played both during original launch, classic and retail at all levels of progression: WoW classic (nor og Wow) were not more difficult at all. More tedious? Yes. More time consuming? Yes. More maintenance? Yes. But difficulty? No.
I don't know what "the jack" is and I can't imagine liking imbalance so those must be more of a personal thing.
Sense of community and rpg elements are good arguments though.
abstract copper
jank* sorry
Well, back in the old days it was challenging, because we didn't know what we were doing. No one was sneaking into Org to get MC'd by a Priest for a world buff
dps ran oom
optimization wasn't really a thing, because we didn't know what was good.
personally I prefer retail, I enjoy the game more than I do the rpg
novel shell
Optimization wasnt a thing because the game had 0 balance
Classic has good philosophies which shouldnt be forgotten (i think blizz are remembering wow is an mmo) but mechanically and systematically its worse than retail in every way
Retail i thinks biggest 3 problems are i) phasing/sharding, ii) only few zones relevant at a time so never feels like the 'world' matters anymore, and iii) open world content needs to be taken to the next level (i look forward to seeing the introduction of AI and more dynamic events to open world)
maiden river
Who are the mouth breathing retards who unironically thought spell batching was a good idea
abstract copper
Most people think spell batching is good
so idk what you're on about
it's meant to replicate the lag of vanilla
maiden river
Yes of course why wouldn't it be
Popping heals on a tank alive only to have your mana bar deleted and the tank dead
You know
Here's a better idea
Why don't we play on CRT monitors and on dial up internet
Why don't we have a 20% chance for the game to CRASH and FUCK UP everytime you opened it
Man the mouth breathing no changes crowd istg
I hate retails simplicity as much as the next guy here but this is autistic
People have adapted and changed to a game that has stayed the same
And you're wondering why the raids/content is so easy to clear
We are on 1.2 talents and itemization on old content, where did the no changes people go
What happened to the no changes crowd when blizzard modified black lotus thanks to campers
Most people think spell batching is good
Idk man every healer I played with thought that the game was lagging but then they realized its a mechanic
Imagine
Imagine a community that wants lag in their games
l o l
Man blizzard fans never fail to entertain me
Actually come to think of it
Spell batching is technically a "change" as vanilla lag shouldn't exist, since the fault was our equipment
ionic spruce
says the guy who uses a racial slur and condition as an insult 🙄
abstract copper
mate you really can't use that kind of language here
"Their plan is, while Classic will still be running in an altered version of the modern client, to reduce how often the game processes spells, in order to have the same experience as it happened in Vanilla, with Mages able to Polymorph one another, Warriors able to Charge simultaneously, among other fun interactions that caused."
servers also weren't as good as they are today
maiden river
Yes
But why recreate something that could easily be done away with now
There's literally no advantage nowadays for spellbatching aside from
abstract copper
"In the past, back when servers had less computing power than phones nowadays have, these windows could be very large, with some games having up to 200ms windows of batching, including WoW. With better technology and servers, this system was improved over the years and, while it still exists, and effects from it can still be seen, the windows are much smaller, being 20ms wide for abilities in retail WoW. This means that abilities cast within 20ms of each other are considered simultaneous in the eyes of the retail WoW servers, while this window was about 200ms during Vanilla."
maiden river
Muh nostalgia no changes
abstract copper
because people don't want now
they want then
classic was made as a recreation of how it was 15 years ago
that's what people pay for
jank and all
maiden river
Well tell that to every single healer who hated spell batching
Truth to be told this doesn't sound like you want to create a better game, you just want to capture fleeting memories that can never be created
Classic+ should've been from the start, and there was absolutely no point in classic wow aside from a nostalgia trip fueled with rose tinted glasses
Raids/dungeons more easy than raids you could do using raid finder
You can't possible hope to keep all the current "jank" as this will ruin the game
Players have changed, they have studied and picked apart the entire game (for years on years might i add) to min max it
Look at once again, black lotus, materials being camped by """""mafias"""" and all that, releasing the game with 1.2 talents and items while being on 1.x content (isn't that a change too)
My arguments are all logic based while yours are just but my recreation of classic my nostalgia
Which is funny because like you I was a hard-core classic purist
ionic spruce
with Mages able to Polymorph one another, Warriors able to Charge simultaneously, among other fun interactions that caused.
abstract copper
Mate I was a healer from vanilla to wotlk
It wasn't that bad
I am not a purist at all
I don't really care
I just play it casually in bed on my laptop sometimes
the jank doesn't ruin the game
people want the jank
I don't get what part of that you don't get
people want imbalance
they want jank
because it's more fun to them that way
they've been playing this game for 7 years+
and it's never changed
and that's how they like it
maiden river
Not really
Some people like it
Some people hated it
And somepeople, as cringe as it may seem "you tHiNk yOU dO bUT yOU dOnt" it
This matter is probably as divisive as artifact power in leg
abstract copper
no
if people don't like it they don't play it
if they do they're idiots
but the people that play the game want it to be jank and imbalanced
maiden river
Here's a video from a popular classic wow "loyalist" admitting that maybe going no changes was kinda not a good idea
Also you never speak for everyone
Assumptions are the enemies of truth
abstract copper
this is the only fellow I see making videos calling it bad
maiden river
There are many sides to a cube
Also even if he was
His criticism is kinda true actually
icy mountain
Sooo. I'm bored and I think I'm gonna mess around on a character in classic...what is a relatively easy to level class in classic? (I played it back in the day but never very much or far; nor do I remember much of it any more other than elevator deaths were the worst)
icy mountain
icy mountain
ahah..that didn't help much at all...
...I'll give mage a try; don't think I bothered with one back then
at worst I'll just eat mage food till this gnome is a rolly polly
sturdy rivet
I just choose what looks cool
marble prawn
Lel KEK
abstract copper
don't feel too bad
abstract copper
maiden river
do i play classic on us or eu?
sturdy perch
where are you from ?
if you are from EU you play on EU, are u from NA, play on NA 🙂
plucky glade
It is beter to play in your home region
Less latency
Especially with Classic, which has spell batching
sturdy perch
yeah
sturdy perch
@maiden river what do you prefer, classic or retail ?
civic quail
icy mountain
welp..I lasted till I died 15 times in half a hour on classic. lol
scarlet badger
Anyone wanna be friends? I just started playing again and im playing classic. Never had friends before in this game
blissful viper
maiden river
@sturdy perch not sure i think both
tranquil copper
sturdy perch
Classic takes a decent amout of time. But it is an excellent game!
mossy mantle
hey
I just started And i have noooooo ideawht im doing i undertsand the concept but im a bit confused if you can help dm me im horde
abstract copper
@icy mountain you gotta only pull one thing at a time, 2 max.
icy mountain
....that was single pulls... of things my level....
maiden river
Especially with Classic, which has spell batching
sHiT sYsTeM sHiT sYsTem
abstract copper
I've come to find myself agreeing
If it were half what it was it'd be fine
But at 400ms it's too much
abstract copper
I never quite considered just how much 400ms was
maiden river
Well
For comparisons sake
The best we can get with 4g is ~20 ms
Meanwhile 5g is estimated to give us 1 to ~10 ms
This change will allow for lag to be virtually nonexistent
Downloading gbs worth of movies in a few minutes, faster/dependable IOT synergy/use of robotic connected tools in medicine
My connection is 140 ish ms which I consider fine but some people consider anything above 50 bad
And anything thats actually above ~150 a pain in the ass cuz massive lag spikes
maiden river
I believe this is what the blizzard man
In all his pretentious glory meant when he said
yOu tHiBk yOU do, bUT yOU dOnT
ionic spruce
And anything thats actually above ~150 a pain in the ass cuz massive lag spikes
@maiden river two different things
if you're getting lag spikes your average ping will go up, but a steady 150 ms would be fine for WoW
not for an FPS though
ionic spruce
o.o
steel mauve
how did you meet them if they left when you joined
paper adder
Why it so hard to get all the valor set for my warrior
maiden river
Tell me. If you're such a loser you sit in a voice chat by yourself then leave the voice chat when someone or people join then why are you even in the VC
Maybe he forgot and then remembered he wasn't supposed to be here
tawdry vaporBOT
putt#1616 was banned | Troll
maiden river
I wonder if we will zerg the no changes shit
In tbc
Esp considering that tbc will change and expand on the meta
Just imagining horde dominating everything lol
cobalt sorrel
Any players on bloodfang ?
balmy tinsel
hello fellow chinese fellas, i have a job for you, i would like to troll a friend of mine, so i need a few volenteers to change their name for a day and their picture, i'll send them to you
applies to non chinese too
you also okay
kinda
maiden river
Tf is this gay shit
Pay me money and maybe we might consider it
plucky glade
Something wrong with Gay stuff?
whole dawn
Might aswell get paid for something you do for free
vale siren
Worst thing about blocking users in Discord is that annoying "1 blocked message" that comes up.
I don't even want to see it.
late tree
looking for people to do ragefire chasm powerlevel fro me please
trail linden
What’s that quest add on called?
austere urchin
Questie.
unborn coyote
do i play classic or retail
i need to know
@trail linden put the file into the addons file in ur game files
trail linden
Ty but I already figured it out
woven shard
wanna start a new character in wow classic first time ever whats a good class that i cant really go wrong with for horde?
abstract copper
shaman
even as dps you have mana tide totem so you'll always be useful @woven shard
bright root
@abstract copper what? Manatide as dps? Are u feel okay? What scuffed build u run
abstract copper
I am thinking of the wrong totem
woven shard
@abstract copper thx i ima try it out
abstract copper
But I think you have windfury tired
Totem
And various earth totems
All good utility
shy kernel
maiden river
Same here, hello guys can someone help with wow
woven totem
@shy kernel If you're playing Classic -> Create account, add subscription, download and play
If you're playing Retail -> Create account -> Purchase Battle for Azeroth/Shadowlands -> Add subscription, download and play
scarlet badger
There is no voice chat here???
ionic spruce
apparently it was removed recently
ruby topaz
Wish I had friends to play classic with 😭😭😭
Tried to get my friends to play but they declined
Still I quite enjoy it
Guess I’ll go meet some friends
crimson panther
tips for not going insane while leveling? 
abstract copper
play with friends
quaint portal
Interact with your guild if you have one
remote temple
looking for portuguese player to start a new char in horde im from EU
scarlet badger
Anyone from the U.S wanna play classic together? I have a hoarde character and its level 5. I can change realms if need be. Just looking for someone or others who play daily. I dont care what side I am. Hoarde alliance etc. Dm me
Eveyone on my friends list is offline or last online 1 year or more ago. Rip
remote temple
looking for portuguese player to start a new char in horde
still flint
hello guys
remote temple
looking for someone portuguese to start a new char in horde im from EU
steady copper
lvl 3 human mage US west come play with me
remote temple
Looking for somoene portuguese to start a new account with me in horde or alliance
primal wave
Anyone has the Zygor addon and wants to share
remote temple
looking for someone portuguese to start a new char in horde im from EU
tender mesa
is there a chance any of you knows the french players who got banned ( and unbanned ) the other day for farming too linen cloth too much?
It was a pretty famous case they even got a wowhead article
remote temple
looking for somoene to start a new charachter in horde
remote temple
looking for someone portuguese to start a new char in horde im from EU
plucky glade
Please stop spamming -.-
uncut vessel
looking for someone from EU
steady copper
looking for a NA player to start from 0
late tree
looking for someone from EU
@uncut vessel howdy
slow vault
@steady copper id be down
rose atlas
maiden river
abstract copper
Hey asshole
Don't post in multiple chats
Also there are channels for multiple languages
shut canopy
good low lvl pvp class?
abstract copper
rogue
subtle snow
anyone wanna play with me im a warlock
bold dock
hi
bright root
Just join your server discords dont looking for mates here
jade vigil
wjats better eu ar us for australian players
plucky glade
Well, aren't the OCE servers only available on the NA Client?
crimson panther
my average day of leveling in classic:
- walk for 15 minutes to quest
- die
- walk 5 minutes to respawn
- repeat 6 times
- turn in quest
- logoff
dense swan
I have come here to try to have a conversation about the wowhead classic elemental shaman BiS list. Sorry for my newbishness but do you folks know if there is someone specific to speak with or a specific channel? Thanks in advance!
shut canopy
easiest pvp class to get into?
sturdy gate
I got super bored of classic since i found out shadowlands is coming out so early.
thorny mesa
Wow only 6 more times...you got lucky that day
urban forum
past fiber
Episode 6 of Warcraft Reloaded is out! Featuring SalvDali of the guild ONSLAUGHT. https://t.co/QtPqjEvhIm?amp=1
Also available on iTunes, Spotify and Google Podcasts.
drowsy steeple
So earlier today i pad this one month subscription, which is pending right now. But the other thing i bought went straight through, how come?
quasi obsidian
@urban forum for mage, you'll be loving it for sure, easy gold, high dps, solid skills for cc
waxen umbra
yeah mage has really good leveling from level 22 and beyond
if you go do the AoE stuff, that is
drowsy steeple
What's the best way to level up your character?
bright root
@dense swan wowclassic.live sixtyupgrades.com or shaman discord, u can found link of it on wowclassic.live
@drowsy steeple play the game or be lazy pussy and get boosted
green fiber
Hello. Is someone knows how to fix error that happens when i try to change monitor in wow-client when discord overlay is working?
I have 2 accs and always have to close discord when i want to change monitor for certain client window
I don't want to turn off overlay. Maybe there is some driver fix or specific settings of videocard?
My card is 1080
tropic spoke
yo im new and about to start wow was wondering if anyone wanted to invite me for benefits
grim schooner
i need wow friends 😦
terse arrow
If I play on NAE and i wanna play on NAW will there big a noticable difference in lag?
latent compass
Guys I’m confused — what’s the difference between Classic and Retail? On my Battle.net there’s only 1 WOW I see?
🤣
maiden river
Just above the play button on wow theirs a drop-down option that allows you to choose between Retail and classic
shut canopy
when does rouge become good?
thick garnet
When Professor X invites her to his academy
abstract copper
rogue is always good @shut canopy
also @thick garnet rogue is the x-woman, rouge is the bat
thick garnet
True... wasn't going to spell correct him (and rouge is originally the color, before Sonic came around)
shut canopy
i ment like what lvl do the ramp it up?
abstract copper
just forcus on hitting 60
crimson panther
You hit something magical called the Level Cap
low prawn
I just got into wow
How do I level up? I try to kill wolf's and shit and I keep dieing
icy mountain
if you just got into wow.
I suggest Starting with Retail. it's alot more user friendly
cuz...dying to basic monsters is pretty much classic
icy mountain
I would suggest it yes
Classic is a bit more of a sedate pace. imho anyways. you spend alot longer to level up your character; gotta be ALOT more specific on what weapons and armor you use..and solo? you die to multiple mobs and sometimes single mobs even using all your CD"s
...not even mentioning stuff like Spells and Abilties are ranked and often you'll get them way behind schedule cuz ya got no gold to buy them with
coarse cliff
@low prawn I might consider waiting for the shadowlands pre-patch later this month which will make the leveling experience 5000% more enjoyable.
clever fog
does anyone know of any addons that have translations for ingame things
like i want a language that isnt one of the ones avaialble
reef hamlet
hello to every one
maiden river
Going to try out Classic WoW today, joined during the burning crusade so I'll how it goes play an older version
maiden river
Try to save up some money for it
grim schooner
i am its my bday next friday
maiden river
We be needing ya money for da Zandalri Empire mon
Give us da last four digits of yo credit card
Happy Early Birthday!
opal lagoon
You might as well wait with shadowlands being in october imo
ionic spruce
why wait
opal lagoon
You'd be paying 50 dollars for content that's going to be free and outdated in a little under two months. If they have the money to throw around, no point in waiting. I just personally would.
ionic spruce
don't have to buy bfa to start leveling
oh wait
somehow i skipped over "i need bfa"
oh i had them mixed up with the other person
maiden river
maiden river
43 hours later and we are still not seeing any auto complete on Felstriker.
Example: Horde Mithril Bars have not moved at all in the last 15 hours
"Each realm will begin automatic turn-ins at a different time over the next couple of days (and some may have already begun by the time you’re reading this)."
@cosmic shoal sorry for the ping but this is quite important and related to your recent article
https://classic.wowhead.com/news=317825/ahnqiraj-war-effort-automatic-turn-ins-for-small-servers-starting-over-the-next-
cosmic shoal
I mean that's what blizzard said, not sure what you want me to do x_x
static orbit
best you can do is it make a reply to their forum thread
But they'll likely not reply until Monday, because... well, weekend
cosmic shoal
either way its a US holiday tomorrow, probably nothing will happen until tuesday if there's a bug
static orbit
oh yea, so only Tuesday
maiden river
yeah i've done that too, just seems like they still failed to fix the issue
weak sinew
It's not been 48hrs since the blue post either.
maiden river
so when do I complain again if its still not working, 5 hours? 5 days?
cosmic shoal
probably wait until tuesday since that's when they'll be back on office
maiden river
Anathema saw their autocomplete start kicking in the same time of the blue post
I really cant imagine why it would take so long since then for us
other than something's still broken
I am the owner of the cross faction discord for Felstriker where this was posted
I guess public holidays are a major issue, I understand
weak sinew
They said each realm is on a different schedule, so if you have proof it's working on some servers suggests that, well, it's working and hopefully will start sometime in the next few days. Tuesday would seem a reasonable time to then complain and say it's not working in some cases.
maiden river
alright sounds like the plan, thanks all
hexed finch
bois i need some big brain people for advice
i need advice if stormshroud pants(from leatherworking) are good for druids
for reference
real mountain
woeful kite
how do i reach out to the staff? got a pretty story if someone is interested
undone wagon
Ima gonna give classic wow a shot today. Do mounts only come from vendors or also rare drops like in bfa
plucky glade
Ima gonna give classic wow a shot today. Do mounts only come from vendors or also rare drops like in bfa
@undone wagon Vendors and certain Raid/Dungeon bosses
Mounts in Classic are far more rare outside of the racial mount vendors
fervent zodiac
Does anybody know what is this icon?
icy mountain
it was an icon for disease? 132100 spell icon I think?
it's what weakauras is telling me anyways
round quail
Getting the whole game on Thursday
bright root
@hexed finch no, its bad.. U will need devilsaur set.. It will be your best frend for long time
queen topaz
After some preparation for a coupel of weeks the day was finaly here. Yesterday 20-09-08 at 08:11 time the 3 horde players of the name @dafe (warrior) @flap (shaman) and @julía (Hunter). Went to Onyxias lair to attemt the first horde 3-man kill! ( Possible the world first horde ever kill! ) Link to the kill here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi-uJch64f4&t=919s
.
woeful kite
real World first Onyxia Horde 3 Man Warcraftlogs: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/31D6apAXNwmnMqZ4/
VoD (Twitch): https://www.twitch.tv/videos/734135783
austere urchin
That's pretty amazing. First there was the 2-mage Strat clear, then the solo Warlock Scholo. There'd of course be others in-between, but those are the ones I know of.
wintry pine
is it still worth playing classic now
hollow slate
I play classic and I love it. I used to play retail years ago
wintry pine
what i mean is just before SL coming out
since its so far in its lifespan
starting fresh would be kinda hard to actually do smthng
hollow slate
I’ll help you out 😝 if your serious about it. I have a 58 hunter
wintry pine
i just have to level my warr from 107-120 then i have nothing to do
i played classic at release until level 27
as a warrior
then rerolled to Warlock
never sticked with it
but now i wanna play a lil bit since im on vacation until october 12
and i have nothing to do
@hollow slate what realm are u on
can anyone here recommend an EU classic realm to play on for like 1/2 months
anyone :' )
maiden river
Nope
I have essentially no High School work until Math today so time to play Classic WoW
empty stone
Hey guys! I'm new to this game and was looking for a guild welcoming new players!! If you guys could help thank so much!!
wintry pine
Looking for guild on Horde Mograine EU
lapis cedar
hey friends, playing again since my first char in vanilla
what's safe moneymaking professions for a main
maiden river
skinning and herb
left coral
hi guys who play in realm whitemane A
lapis cedar
should I sub herb for mining if I'm a hunter who wants to do engineering later
mighty wadi
Hey i just started playing wow i need help deciding between the dps priest and warlock demonology which one is more fun.
warm jackal
Well I just got classic wow and I already did a few quests and got myself a innkeeper over at Donaldsomethingsomething
So far I’m loving this game! ^^
austere urchin
@mighty wadi Consider the flexibility of the class, too. As a Priest, you could make yourself available as an OS healer.
There's always demand for tanks/heals.
ruby burrow
Does anyone know where I go to make Stormwind my main city? I hate Shadowland or wherever my hearthstone keeps taking me back to. I know I have to go to the INN but I can;t find it. Unless I cant do that here...
placid rapids
This mount vote i hope we get all the mount but the one that picked out of votes we get that free.
waxen umbra
people, this is #classic-wow
strong wagon
should i play this game looks good but i want to know if its worth it ?
hollow slate
I like it @strong wagon I main a 59 hunter
strong wagon
@hollow slate so i have to get a sub for this its not a buy and play ?
last snow
@neon token referral link or something ^
hollow slate
@strong wagon yes you have to pay in order to play. 15$ if I remember correctly.
strong wagon
@hollow slate o ok ima try it today thanks
warm jackal
im having so much fun with this game! ^^
maiden river
Do you guys recommend playing classic wow or normal wow?
austere urchin
@maiden river It's a matter of opinion, really. Depends what you want out of it.
Classic is a recreation of vanilla, how WoW was before any expansions. Back in the old days.
Classic is, however, based on an fairly end-game vanilla patch, because they said they couldn't find any image/backup of the game older than patch 1.12, and even then they were apparently lucky to find that.
Much of vanilla content had already changed when Classic released as a result, which is why Blizz changed tact to releasing content in Phases.
Classic brings back things like micro management that made you actually work. Pet management, bag space management, item set management, content that compelled you to party up, not getting mounts until much later in your gaming progress... some good stuff, some less so, but it was all part of the challenge/charm. It made you put in effort.
maiden river
Thanks this helped a lot
austere urchin
Also keep in mind we're already up to phase 5. It will be some time yet before Phase 6... and we don't yet know how Burning Crusade will play out. It could be a natural progression on existing servers as it happened back in the day and rollout of new servers for Classic to replace them, or they may rollout new servers dedicated to Burning Crusade and leave current classic servers as they are. One of those 2 are the most likely.
austere urchin
It's fun, yes.
glass yoke
neat girder
im gonna do my first dungeon today
dry arch
Hey! I’ve been playing retail for 2 weeks (first time playing WoW) on twitch, getting like tips and tricks from more experienced players, got to level 63 today! I’m super curious to play classic though, but a lot of the people from my chat have been saying it’s not going to be as fun. Anyone here have any perspective on whether or not it makes sense for a brand new player to play classic in addition to retail?
austere urchin
@dry arch Classic requires just the monthly subscription on your account to access, so you can certainly play both right now.
charred rampart
@dry arch Classic doesn't have Quality of Life features like what you may have gotten used to in retail (such as automatic LFG for dungeons/raids, learning new skills as soon as you level up, and quest loq telling you where to go - Although in the case of latter, Questie addon may help you figure out where to get quests/where to go) and is certainly a lot slower paced than retail is.
If you enjoy taking your time leveling and going through zones (and maybe even for having a real impact for getting loot! In classic, iLvL means nothing!), it's certainly worth trying out! 🙂 Do be prepared to group up with other people just to do a quest you may find difficult to solo!
Personally I've found some trouble trying to manage playing both retail and classic, since classic tends to use up a big chunk of my free time (although to be fair I like the feel of classic a tad more), leaving not a lot of time for retail. Note that the launcher prevents you from playing both at the same time.
I hope this helps!
neat skiff
@dry arch I find it jarring switching between the two versions. To me they are completely different and I enjoy both of them for different reasons. One version's flaw is often times the others strength and vice versa. If your own enjoyment for an MMO is centered around instanced endgame or just a general gameplay loop for endgame, then I'd argue that Classic is not the way to go. I find a lot of value in Classic's world outside of endgame, while in Retail it's the exact opposite for me. I can not stand the traditional way of levelling in Retail even though the quest design is superior to Classic. It doesn't seem to make whole lot of sense, but here I am. Most of Classic's playerbase is stuck at max lvl which might make your journey there a lot less fun, so honestly if I were you I'd rather just level to max in retail right now and experience some of the endgame stuff like visions and M+. Not to mention that the prepatch and Shadowlands are around the corner.
dry arch
@austere urchin @neat skiff @charred rampart thank you all for your perspective, this is super helpful! I think I'm enjoying the leveling aspect as a brand new player and the level boosts help me to see endgame stuff as well, which is nice
But that makes sense! Maybe I'll give classic a shot at some point - much appreciated!
austere urchin
@dry arch No prob. If you scroll up a bit to my discussion with S3TH, you'll see what else I've explained about Classic.
maiden river
Not as many players anymore but still a good community
sudden cliff
@maiden river do you know how the players population in EU is like ?
maiden river
@sudden cliff no sorry not too sure
warm rivet
quartz crow
Can rogues still bandage in stealth?
Also, items such as: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=169140/ultimate-gnomish-army-knife
Can I resurrect myself or only allies?
austere urchin
@quartz crow I think you want #retail-wow .
remote temple
looking for somoene portuguese to start a new char with
whole dawn
@remote temple hey can you not spam every channel that isnt relevant, thanks
paper lichen
looking for somone to come chill on wow with me in call and game 🙂 new im level 20 im doing dungeons atm to get some nice gear
ionic spruce
topaz stump
ok
topaz stump
i
maiden river
@maiden river Classic is a game without much of a future. Its more of a throwback to the old days for nostalgia. Once they go through WOLTK expansion again the game will die afterwards as no one wants to go through Cata. If you want to play the current game you want normal WoW.
Not to say classic isn't fun but it has a pretty clear expiration date.
maiden river
The current game has better gameplay as well for people who don't have the nostalgia of Classic.
It's one thing to be nostalgic but Classic is slow. The slowest thing you've ever seen.
austere urchin
The current game has better gameplay
@maiden river Objectively, this is a matter of opinion.
maiden river
Sure, I stated my opinion.
austere urchin
I am of the inclination that the current gameplay feels like paint-by-numbers.
I felt it's too easy. Nothing to think about. The game told you what to do.
maiden river
I think most people have noted by now that Classic is considerably easier than Retail.
Not in leveling, but in endgame content.
austere urchin
Granted, I've not been back to Retail since Classic launched, and Classic in some respects does feel easier than it should, BUT, most people forget that Classic started on an end-game patch.
1.12, not 1.1.1.
By 1.12, much had changed in Vanilla from 1.1.1
It's a technicality that can't really be debated.
We have been playing on the 1 patch for a whole year... the only major difference is it runs in phases, not patches.
maiden river
Not untrue, but there have been multiple raid tiers now to give us an idea of how difficult the game is comparatively to the main game. Blackwing Lair was completed 42 minutes after it launched.
austere urchin
Also keep in mind that almost every nook and cranny of Vanilla is known.
maiden river
Even the best raid guilds in the world take at least a week with modern world firsts, and while it's fair to argue that it's largely because it's all old content, I don't think that's an argument against it being easier.
austere urchin
None of the game is new.
maiden river
You're right, but that does make it considerably easier.
austere urchin
But it's a fallacy to think it's "easy" because we're replaying a game we already know all the details about.
There's almost no guessing to it. We largely already know the mechanics at launch.
maiden river
I don't think it's a fallacy. The core point is that given all that is known about it, that it is easier than if we didn't know anything about it. The idea of it being difficult in theory doesn't matter as much if that theory isn't applicable.
So it's fair to say that it's considerably easier than Retail because for 99 percent of people, it is physically easier in terms of the information available and the simplicity of the mechanics involved.
austere urchin
To each their own. It might be "easier" in the way you put it, but IMO I don't like retail because there's no challenge to having to think about it.
maiden river
I'm okay agreeing to disagree. I don't dislike Classic by any means.
The things it does right it does right.
austere urchin
If only Blizz could find a "backup of a backup" older than 1.12...
inner bane
so
I've never played world of warcraft a day in my life
Classic?
Or do normal mode or whatever and use that trial to check her out
ionic spruce
retail
you can play it a little, see if you like the general theme
granted wow's already sort-of two games in one
(leveling vs end game)
maiden river
Retail is much easier, that being said it kind of spoon feeds the game to you
Classic is a grind but also exciting bc it's challenging so more rewarding (imo)
maiden river
It depends on what you are talking about being more challenging. High end Mythic raiding is much harder than any raiding in classic especially with the knowledge that's available now. Playing your class to its optimal potential also isn't far behind classic.
Leveling is definitely easier in Retail. Professions as well. But that's really about it.
Leveling including normal/heroic dungeons ofc.
remote temple
looking for somoene portuguese to start a new char from level 1 to 60
austere urchin
@remote temple Try asking in #brazilian-portuguese
chilly bison
@jolly shell I don't think you can play Classic for free. It's included in your retail subscription.
jolly shell
can not play for free and must pay
chilly bison
You can play retail WoW with a trial account.
jolly shell
but the trial account is only up to level 20 and can't be more
chilly bison
This isn't meant to be a free to play game. It never has been. Trial subscriptions are just that: a trial. If you want to keep playing past 20, you have to pay like everyone else.
jolly shell
okay so it can't be for free? and if it is paid, how much is it to pay
chilly bison
Not if you want the full experience. It's 14.99 USD per month. It is worth it, considering you get two games for that price.
jolly shell
but I saw on google there is a cheaper price than the game, whether it will run smoothly or not
chilly bison
What did Google have to say about that? I'm not aware of anything really cheaper, not anything legal, anyway.
jolly shell
well it turns out you can't buy via google and I'm afraid it's illegal
maiden river
There's no cheaper sub option than the standard like FFXIV has unfortunately.
It's the monthly sub as advertised plus the cost of the current expansion.
austere urchin
@jolly shell Go straight to Blizzard or a retailer for game credit. Don't rely on "Google" for free/cheap subscriptions.
Classic requires access via subscription. There is no "free" option.
Classic as in the Game is free, but the access to it is not.
That might be where your confusion is.
winged epoch
Hm im not getting the background update
austere urchin
Talking about the prepatch? go to #retail-wow
hexed finch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329807329245659147/755852828270002277/957xuij9a2b51.png wow classic meme
tardy raptor
d
proven bear
@here Question: Do we have to buy Shadowlands to continue on in Classic?
austere urchin
It'd have been announced otherwise... and with a wave of backlash, because that's technically a sham. Activision did that once... and I'd like to think that the industry learnt from it.
maiden river
do shadow priests only get devouring plague if you're undead?
steel pond
does anyone know where I could get the icons and tooltip graphics?
tepid turtle
@maiden river yeah each race for priest has it's own unique extra ability
UD is dev plague, dwarf is fear ward, i forget the others
fervent oasis
Does anyone know about the thing for like if you pay 200k gold you can get 1 month to play for free?
austere urchin
@fervent oasis That's retail. That's to do with the in-game tokens. You can't get them in Classic, but I think it does benefit from it when you get one in Retail and activate it.
fervent oasis
So I can’t play classic for free?
austere urchin
Unless the retail token covers it, no.
austere urchin
give/take, depending on the server, I suppose.
fervent oasis
I mean I don’t feel like pouring my life into WoW so I might not do it
austere urchin
It's more favoured for hardcore players.
fervent oasis
Hardcore as in putting time into it right?
austere urchin
Yep. Hardcore generally implies people playing the game like a fulltime job.
All it says about classic is... "WoW Tokens are not available for sale or purchase in World of Warcraft Classic."
fervent oasis
I mean I want to become a streamer but I don’t think wow is content at all I mean I haven’t played it so idk I don’t feel like putting time into a game that isn’t enjoyable for the views all day everyday
austere urchin
Up to you mate.
austere urchin
You might find a thread or 2 on reddit that should answer that question.
fervent oasis
Hmm ok
austere urchin
So unless you already have a subscription and own all the expansions, you'd need just a subscription to access Classic.
Classic itself as a game is free.
You just need to pay to access it.
austere urchin
Yes. Login/gameplay, all the things.
fervent oasis
Well classic isn’t free then
austere urchin
The subscription covers both classic and retail.
austere urchin
Retail is the game with all expansions. "Classic" is how WoW was before any expansions.
fervent oasis
Yea I just thought of that so in classic you let’s say can only reach level 70 but in retail you can have everything and no lvl limit right?
Besides like 120
austere urchin
Unfortunately no.
fervent oasis
This is confusing
austere urchin
This may help.
The first expansion to WoW was Burning Crusade. Classic is a rebuild/rerelease of WoW before that expansion.
WoW's expansion flow was both content and story progression.
fervent oasis
So world of Warcraft is free or is world of Warcraft classic free?
austere urchin
And consequently content was deprecated/removed over time.
fervent oasis
There’s 2 versions
austere urchin
WoW Classic is free, but you need an account-wide subscription to access it.
fervent oasis
So you can make a account but can’t play
austere urchin
"Retail" is where you need to pay for both.
WoW overall has required subscription since day 1.
You can have an account, but you can't play for free. Never been able to, except for the technicality on the in-game tokens (retail).
fervent oasis
Yea
austere urchin
The tokens were implemented to help offset subscriptions for people willing to afford the tokens.
The premise was that if you played the game enough and/or just somehow made a way to make a tonne of gold, you can buy the token and effectively play for free.
fervent oasis
But it takes like at least 2 months to get set and ready in order to do the gold farm right?
austere urchin
I would argue it'd take more than 2 months, but that's the limit of my knowledge. Best to find out from someone who uses the tokens. Try #retail-wow for that.
fervent oasis
Ok
austere urchin
You wouldn't really be able to start getting those benefits so soon off a brand-new account without any assistance along the way.
But anyway, feel free to ask in the retail room.
On another angle, I'd imagine that subscription to Classic would benefit from the retail tokens, otherwise it'd be double-dipping.
ionic spruce
technically you'd just need a few 120s and you could start farming emissaries/raids
although #retail-wow XD
austere field
ok guys i need help
i am trying to play classic as a mage but playing it solo is really hard
what class is the best for solo play?
austere field
enemies keep resisting my spells so i get killed all the time
maiden river
Once you level up alittle as mage it becomes the easiet and fastest solo leveling experience, check out aoe grinding
potent crescent
Mage is the best class to solo lvl the fastest. You need to spend ur first points into reducing enemies chance to resist. Quest from 1-22. At lvl 22 start aoe farming to 60
austere urchin
Mages output a tonne of DPS, but are squishy... and avoid aiming for mobs 2+ levels higher. I frequent as a fire mage, and often times it takes me 3-4 fireballs and maybe fireblast and they're down before they even reach melee range.
So long the mob's level is yellow to you, you'll be fine.
silver bough
@austere field keep going with the mage. Don’t try to do things too high above your level. I try to do green and yellow level quests. There will come a time that you can AOE packs and level fast. Plus mages make hold easier than many other classes.
rapid ore
anyone wanna level new characters as a group maybe stream a lil??
silver bough
@fervent oasis currently there’s 2 different versions of the game out. Retail means the latest expansion that’s been released, in other words, the current game. Wow is about to start it’s 8th xpac soon. It will be version 9.0. To play it you need to purchase Shadowlands. I don’t know if you need to purchase any past xpacs either. There’s usually a way to get all that you missed, but since the levels are being reworked you might only have to buy Shadowlands. The current xpac right now is BfA. Shadowlands releases soon.
Classic is the other version. It’s like starting from the beginning of the game, 16 years ago. Some people call the original game vanilla, just an FYI. Basically they re-released it. When any xpac or classic is released it’s done in sections. Not every raid or part of the story is released at once. It builds according to a time table. So going back to classic is basically re-releasing it over time.
You always have to pay 1 monthly fee no matter what you play and you can play both for the 1 fee. The difference is that you don’t have to purchase the original game to play classic, but you do have to purchase the xpac. The 1st xpac that was released after vanilla was called The Burning Crusade TBC. I’m not sure when they release the classic if you will have to purchase that part of the game.
fervent oasis
Holy shit this is longer than my essays
Idk it’s just I don’t want to play a game that charges me every month because it’s says I’m being charged every month so it’s not “pay to win”
But that doesn’t make any sense if there is a item in the game and you pay for it and it does benefit you it’s still pay to win even if your getting charged every month to play the game @silver bough
ionic spruce
if there is a item in the game and you pay for it and it does benefit you
other than the token, the only extra things you can buy for money are mounts, pets, and other cosmetics
tiny nymph
the difference is that you're paying to play the game, NOT paying for the item(s) itself(/themselves)
fervent oasis
So if there’s not really any items in the game why say we make you have payments every month so the game isn’t pay to win when you can’t buy anything in the game to benefit you?
ionic spruce
?
tiny nymph
I'm not sure what you're trying to get answered, not gonna lie.
fervent oasis
k let me word it I little bit
So if I can’t buy anything in the game with money to benefit me why do I have to pay 20 dollars a month so that the game isn’t pay to win
It isn’t pay to win to begin with
tiny nymph
I can't say for sure the exact reason we have to keep paying the monthly sub, but I'm assuming it's got something to do with maintaining the game servers.
fervent oasis
eh
I mean I want to play the game it looks fun but I honestly don’t feel like paying 20 a month like it’s car payments
fervent oasis
Ah 15 usd I mean still even 10 per month is just dumb
If the game was like 30 usd and nothing more no payments or anything the game would be way more popular
I think
ionic spruce
that would be nowhere near enough money for what you get o.o
fervent oasis
wdym
maiden river
A monthly sub is the standard for most popular MMOs. There are plenty of BTK and FTP MMOs out there if you don't believe WoW is worth the money.
Guild Wars 2 for example is BTK.
fervent oasis
Is it really normal for mmos to have monthly subs?
Yea but WoW is the only popular mmo
maiden river
Not true.
fervent oasis
Which ones then?
maiden river
The two biggest ones, FFXIV and WoW, have an expansion purchase every two years and then a monthly sub. ESO also has a subscription but it's not necessarily required to play.
ionic spruce
so googling BTK doesn't pull up the right results XD
maiden river
Buy to keep is what I'd use haha.
fervent oasis
I mean I guess idk I’m not rich but not poor I just feel like it’s kinda a waste of money if you get bored of the game but if you enjoy it I guess
maiden river
If you get bored you can choose not to renew the sub and come back if and when you want.
fervent oasis
I get bored of games in like a week or 2 so that’s why I’m kinda hesitating it
maiden river
The goal of an MMO is to play consistently and regularly for most people. If you only expect to get two weeks at most out of it it might not be the game for you.
Lots of people here have been playing for 10, 12, 15 years.
With breaks ofc.
fervent oasis
Well I would play it everyday for like 8 hours at least like I did with rust but I want to become or at least try to become a streamer that’s why I don’t want to play WoW but the game does look fun
maiden river
WoW's a lot of fun. It just requires some degree of commitment to get anything real done.
It'd be up to you whether it's worth it or not.
There is a lot of Content.
fervent oasis
Like?
maiden river
You could play 8 hours a day for a year and you'd not be done doing everything the game has to offer.
fervent oasis
Well what does the game have to offer for content?
It’s like rust it takes a while to get shit done and not alot of people want to watch that
lone monolith
it's not like rust lol
fervent oasis
Well no
lone monolith
get through early game
fervent oasis
But the fact is you have to put alot of time into it just to get something done
lone monolith
though im still new so
maiden river
Raids, dungeons, World Quests; but you've got seven expansions worth of questing and content you can do, plus the true endgame which is mount farming, transmog farming (there are 216 gun models alone, for example), etc.
fervent oasis
I’m not gonna lie
maiden river
You only have to do the leveling and most recent expansion, but even that'd be 20 some days played time.
fervent oasis
I have no idea what you just said
maiden river
Playing casually.
lone monolith
lol mmo words
fervent oasis
You also need a big brain to play WoW
lone monolith
not rly just lots of stamina
maiden river
I'm not sure I know how to explain it if you're not too familiar with MMOs. 
fervent oasis
Yea I’m not
maiden river
My explanations are always convincing FFXIV friends to come back to WoW.
lone monolith
I've been playing like 10 hrs a day this week
fervent oasis
I mean I have the stamina but don’t think people would like it
lone monolith
it's def not a game to play for others to see
fervent oasis
yea
lone monolith
it's your own accomplishments
maiden river
I guess the best way I can explain it is Raids are 20 man group content, basically a boss rush; dungeons are 5 man group content that you use to prepare for Raiding; transmog is being able to choose what armour you want to show on your person and you collect items through myriad means of content to be able to use those items visually whenever you want
lone monolith
^
maiden river
mounts are like horses, dragons, wolves, etc., you can ride or fly on
fervent oasis
Well I know what mounts bosses are don’t know what raids are
maiden river
this is my transmog
raids are story bosses you fight in group content
there are various levels of difficulty
fervent oasis
ah
I mean if I didn’t care about streaming I would get the game and then just grind gold for the 1 month free tokens
But it takes like 1 or 2 months to even start farming gold
maiden river
It also requires an understanding of the economy which requires some research. Guides themselves usually are just there to get you on your feet.
lone monolith
I mean reach 120
fervent oasis
Yea doesn’t 120 take a month or 2?
crystal tundra
is the subscription for classic wow the same as for retail?
maiden river
If you play 8 hours a day it'll take like a week or so.
crystal tundra
like i already have a bfa sub, can i play classic with it?
maiden river
Yes you can!
crystal tundra
awesome ty
maiden river
It's free /w with Retail sub.
fervent oasis
Wait really? @maiden river
coarse cliff
@fervent oasis Be aware in 2-4 weeks, the time to hit max level will plummet and the leveling experience will be completely revamped
maiden river
Yup. Just get to 15 then run dungeons for a while and you'll be max level before you know it. Also that, it'll be even quicker when the prepatch for the new expansion hits.
fervent oasis
Wdym like the higher the lvl the harder it is to get xp?
coarse cliff
No. They are redoing the way leveling works (which zones you play, the pacing of levels, when you unlock abilities, etc) with the pre-patch and max level will be 50 during the pre-patch
maiden river
Mhm.
fervent oasis
So is it a buff to leveling up?
lone monolith
yo when I was trying to queue for dungeons I was too low item lvl
bright root
lets PM and dont spam CLASSIC section with retail "stuff"
ionic spruce
it started out as a discussion about the difference between retail and classic and then shifted to actually being retail >.>
i shoud've just pinged in the other channel to continue it
fervent oasis
@lone monolith what level are u?
lone monolith
113
fervent oasis
U have been playing for only a week?
lone monolith
I played before this week but I made new character
cuz I saw new expansion and I wanted to play demon hunter
I'm having a lot of fun tho compared to before
maybe cuz newer stuff is more better made
maiden river
so happy right now! the little server that could 😄
fervent oasis
I mean the game looks fun but again I can’t play it cuz people don’t find it enjoying to watch like rust people don’t want to watch people play rust
lone monolith
I mean in the end it doesn't really matter what game you're playing tbh
I watch same people no matter what games they play
fervent oasis
Well starting off you want to play something that’s enjoyable or your really good at something like valorant or fall guys once you get popular enough with like 1k views or 500 you can move to a different game with the same amount of views starting off in WoW streaming I don’t think anyone is gonna watch that
Like shroud played pubg for a while and then he played WoW for a little with the same amount of views
maiden river
I watch Asmongold but more for his personality than his WoW content.
maiden river
He makes WoW very interesting, though, with stuff like challenge runs and transmog competitions.
lone monolith
no matter what lmao
fervent oasis
Well yea personality is more important than game play
Yea I watch xqc for his personality that guy is stupid and hilarious
lone monolith
yeah I love him ahhaha
fervent oasis
But every game he plays the viewers follow him for personality I mean I’m not that good at doing stupid shit like x so I’m kinda relying on game skill
WoW isn’t really game skill just brain knowledge
maiden river
Honestly, if you want an idea of what WoW is like to stream, check out Asmongold. Dude just plays the game and plays up the many facets of the game to make them more interesting.
fervent oasis
Aren’t there like 30 characters?
lone monolith
true it's your boy asmongold
maiden river
both
fervent oasis
Ah
maiden river
lots of celebrity worship, racial/gender slurs, spamming, etc etc
fervent oasis
Celebrity worship as in “simps”?
maiden river
that's one way to put it
bright root
@maiden river "stuff" cuz i dont wanna be dirty mouth and stuff, cuz its not related to classic
but u know what? do what u want, this totally isnt place for somebody like me ... cuz nothing usefull here 😄
maiden river
Hwha
austere urchin
@fervent oasis I know the discussion was hours ago, but regarding the subscription for WoW... put it into perspective that the retail game has been using the 1 subscription model since day one... 15 years ago.
fervent oasis
really?
austere urchin
People have contended why the high fee, and why have to pay at all... but after 15 years, and still being a top ranking game, it's stood the test of time.
A number of games were dubbed the WoW-killer... but failed to live to the hype.
fervent oasis
i mean i might just get the subscription so i can get lvl 120 in like 2 weeks then grind for the gold
austere urchin
SWTOR was one of the last big ones to take it on, and then introduced a free and half-price sub models... now look at it.
fervent oasis
is it hard to grind 150k gold?
austere urchin
Well again that's a question to ask in #retail-wow perhaps. Some would argue no, but in Classic? Definitely.
fervent oasis
and retail is better than classic correct?
austere urchin
In fact there's a money cap in Classic, so I don't think you can even get that high.
fervent oasis
ah i see
fervent oasis
but population wise is classic or retail "better"
maiden river
Retail has considerably more people.
austere urchin
Blizz don't release their population figures.
maiden river
But Classic is by no means unpopular. It had login queues for months.
austere urchin
But speculation has been that Classic took a decent chunk of activity away from Retail.
fervent oasis
i mean on twitch is that retail classic or its just whatever
austere urchin
Depends on the player and the audience.
fervent oasis
well what i mean is are they streaming classic or retail or it doesnt matter
austere urchin
Both?
fervent oasis
ok
austere urchin
But yeah, overall, $15US per month is a lot for some people, but it's been like this for 15 years, so...
take it as you will
fervent oasis
i mean at least they offer a 1 month free coin for 150k gold
austere urchin
Yes but you need to work your face off to get that, per month, which is why it was more aimed at hardcore players.
If you don't get enough in a given month, you gotta pony up the $15US.
fervent oasis
so it is hard to make 150k gold per month
ionic spruce
can we take this to retail
fervent oasis
i thought this was retail my bad
whole musk
Hey im new at wow and i wanna know how to morph as a Druid
rustic flame
It's a spell you get later on. I think the first one is at lvl 10.
austere urchin
You need to create a druid character, and play it.
maiden river
yo guys
i just started playing
like today
any channel i should go to for help?
i also heard classic is harder
neon token
uh
graceful saddle
short bluff
icyveins.com is super helpful for figuring out class info, i use it all the time @graceful saddle
austere urchin
@graceful saddle Depends whether you want to PVE/raid, or PVP.
You can interchange (at a cost), but there's not really a one-size-fits-all. Depends what you want to achieve.
plucky glade
icyveins.com is super helpful for figuring out class info, i use it all the time @graceful saddle
In the Wowhead discord
"Hey, go to Icy-veins!"
short bluff
icyveins build guides are much easier to use at a glimpse, lol wowhead is great for questing, finding NPC's etc. Icy is far superior in class guides... imo
but feel free to limit yourself
@plucky glade
plucky glade
icyveins build guides are much easier to use at a glimpse, lol wowhead is great for questing, finding NPC's etc. Icy is far superior in class guides... imo
austere urchin
Classic Day 1.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFWpk0iHX8K/
Instagram
tacit mortar
I have a question. I've just started WOW last week. I originally played it 15 years ago. I'm already up to level 12.
I'm on the Starter Pack. I understand that at level 20,i have to pay for full WOW. I've got a monthly subscription of £9.99 already.
Do I have to further increase my subscription to the full amount?
ionic spruce
you can currently get to 110 without buying anything other than the sub
@tacit mortar
maiden river
Hey guys, was wondering. Is it possible to play with my friends if we are different Realms? Are there any limitations? Can we do dungeons/raids together? Will we be able to quest together? Can we join the same guild? Please let me know.
Why did you delete messages lol
maiden river
kk
icy basalt
shortening
maiden river
Do people run raids with each other
icy basalt
you can be in same community
icy basalt
typically guilds stick with their own members
however my guild doesn't get mad if I bring outside people
just depends on the raid lead
maiden river
Hi
Im new to wow
This might sound stupid but how do I skin a wolf
If you have skinning, just loot them and right click
That'll skin them for their items
Ok thanks
aight cya
plucky glade
Hey guys, was wondering. Is it possible to play with my friends if we are different Realms? Are there any limitations? Can we do dungeons/raids together? Will we be able to quest together? Can we join the same guild? Please let me know.
@maiden river
You can do everything but be in guild
@icy basalt Not in classic, which is the channel you are talking in x3
icy basalt
oops lol
lusty seal
does there exist any macro addon that lets you go past 255 cap?
like super duper macro ?
ionic spruce
there have been, idk if any are currently supported
oh, did forget i clicked on classic-wow, but it's probably still true
austere dagger
Hey everyone,
Apparently on US-Sul’Thraze AQ War Effort auto completion of Thick Leather (Alliance) has stopped. Everything else is still at 3.3% a day.
On EU-Celebras the auto completion of magewave and wool cloth (Horde) has stopped too with the weekly restart on Wednesday. Everything else is still at 3.3% / day.
Numbers for EU-Celebras:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688232456411021430/756864034418196500/unknown.png
Any other servers with same issues?
Apparently Blizzard don't care. -.- Tickets are replied with a bunch of different answers from "that's intended" to "I have no idea". :/
random orchid
Does anyone have a invite link for the Classic Hunter discord? The one on WoWhead's site seems to be invalid now
past glade
Hi
abstract copper
true
austere urchin
That headline is throwing me off. Saying "alleged" and "confirms" in the same statement here comes across as a contradiction. It's like giving an absolute but not the confidence to back it.
maiden river
I see what he's saying, since it's phrased like they're not sure if he confirmed it or not
They're saying 'second source possibly confirms'
Which is a bit weird
austere urchin
It's basically clickbait.
plucky glade
No
Because clickbait is inherently designed to mislead you. This article is not. It is to inform that there is now a second credible source, almost confirming TBC Classic exists and the beta will be March
austere urchin
I say "basically" meaning that it's still so even technically, even if unintended.
Intent or no, clickbait headline can still be clickbait.
Sure, the facts laid out in the article may be legit. I'm not debating that.
I was just challenging that mixing speculative with absolute terms can be bad practice.
maiden river
Damn, hyped if that actually ends up happening though... BC and Wrath were best imo.... and the game feels incomplete to me without belf and outlands
quasi pollen
what this item is for?
austere urchin
Looks like it could be an ingredient for class-assigned items, much like the voodoo doll in ZG.
weak sinew
Yes, from AQ20.
viral swallow
is it too late to tryout classic?
maiden river
Not by any means
plucky glade
With Classic, the entire game is relevant
Even in the last patch of Classic, guilds will still be running the first raid for gear for new recruits or for legendaries
hidden cove
is there anything in classic thats only temporarily available? like am i going to miss out on stuff because i quit it like 2 weeks in and wanna get back into it in a few months?
plucky glade
No
austere urchin
@hidden cove The only timed exclusive stuff in Classic revolves around the latter end of the AQ scarab wall quest chain, but that's on a per server basis. Otherwise, all content is relevant.
The "timed exclusive" part is based on the server's progress, not any date ranges.
Other than that, no, and that's the beauty of why we have Classic.
maiden river
So hi i was new to wow at phase 2 just came back to play in half mc gear as a resto shaman where to next? ZG pugs?
past fiber
Episode 8 of Warcraft Reloaded is out! https://mashthosebuttons.com/podcast/warcraft-reloaded-8-just-token-in-classic/
Also available on iTunes, Spotify and Google Podcasts
coarse flame
Hi all! I need an advice about Mage Spec (I'm a very new WoW Classic). I will copy past my question from reddit
I'm new to WoW and WoW classic (but amature MMORPG player). Just started (lvl 20) on Golemagg with my friend. We are duo Mage (me) and Hunter.
I've read and watched a lot of guides about all major Mage specs but still cant decide what is better for me.
What I want:
1. Do only necessary quests (for rewards and lore). So far I don't like questing in Classic, because most of them are garbage .
2. Farm resources for Tailoring
3. Farm mobs for leveling (like it more than questing)
4. Do Dungeons
5. Be able to defense in wPvP
6. Play duo with my Hunter friend for most of time and solo farm resources (2nd point in list)
So, I need to choose a spec:
1. Single Target Frost - but how to Farm without AoE
2. AOE Frost - is Golemagg good server to find free AoE spots
3. Hybrid - but I'm affraid to play wPvP without Frostbite
4. Arcane - but I'm not sure if it worth it before end game
for the 1. in the what i want part, you won't get to 60 straight up through leveling that way. you are going to have to farm killing mobs, which aoe frost is good at.
- it's easier to farm tailoring things with aoe frost
for 5, you have a hunter friend to help you
coarse flame
@waxen umbra ty
But what I afraid about AoE Frost is how easy to find spots for farming. Most of topics I've red were from 2019 or even 2018 and it was a problem. How it is now? Specially on Goremagg (it's high populated, but not that high as the most popular servers).
and 2nd question, can I questing from time to time in AoE spec?
waxen umbra
mhm
my server ( fairbanks ) has a pretty high population. i've only run into like 1-2 people who tried to grief me and it wasn't even all that bad.
coarse flame
sounds promising
maiden river
If I want to play alliance, would you advise me to hop onto Ashbringer or Gehenna instead?
waxen umbra
ashbringer iirc @maiden river
waxen umbra
44% alliance gehenna while ashbringer has 53% alliance
maiden river
Oh, I don't mind being on the lower end but for me personally it was more about the total population
maiden river
So even with a 44% alliance pop they seem to have more alliance members no matter what
Seems like an easy pick for gehennas then, thanks for the info
waxen umbra
ok
maiden river
as npcs yes, playably, no
pliant flax
Dang
floral crater
this is kind of a silly question cus idk if it can even be answered right now, but is there any idea when naxx is coming out?
maiden river
Goblins came to be playable in Cataclysm, three expansions after Classic.
austere urchin
@floral crater Naxx is Phase 6. A little while away yet.
@pliant flax As @maiden river said, Goblins aren't playable until CATA. Unless CATA gets its own Classic treatment, which chances are are basically nil, your only bet will be to go to retail.
CATA is significantly responsible for why Classic exists, so...
tawdry vaporBOT
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icy mountain
<@&299347348847329281> Rule 3 Broken by @lusty seal
shy lake
It's just a strawpoll and it's on topic, it's ok
icy mountain
hollow thistle
ohh sorry, for that before, i didnt read all the rules before, i just wanted to show a proof about my lvling
and i would like to know how could i get that wowhead see my ss with the /played time 1-60??
austere urchin
@hollow thistle I'd suggest contacting Staff on both things.
Try in #wowhead-feedback-support
hollow thistle
Thanks i will try it, 🙂
austere urchin
Kudos otherwise if your attempt is verified.
hollow thistle
Kudos?
vernal kettle
Congrats
hollow thistle
ohh, Thanks, 🙂
floral crater
@austere urchin Ty! Im really looking forward to trying out old naxx so i was curious.
bright root
coarse flame
Me and my friend are 20 lvl. I want to solo AoE farm sometimes but afraid to overlvl my friend. What is the allowable difference between my lvl and my friend for comfortable duo play? sry for my English, I tried my best =]
maiden river
It's usually two or three levels before you start getting away from people of similar levels.
coarse flame
I see. thx!
sharp agate
Hi, the priest on clasic have nice damage?
maiden river
Priest is quite weak in Classic for DPS. Great healers though.
austere urchin
Priests are to healing as Warriors are to melee. They are the best of their respective roles.
Having said that, DPS would be advisable for sufficient levelling.
sharp agate
Priests are to healing as Warriors are to melee. They are the best of their respective roles.
@austere urchin
An the paladin what you mean??
Its nice for pvp and pve?
austere urchin
I'm happily open to correction, but my understanding is that Pallys are often relegated to healing, and since Priests are generally already healers, they are far more efficient. Most BiS heal gear is cloth, which is why you often see raid Pallys dressed in gowns.
maiden river
Paladins struggle with tanking and do abysmal damage so they are typically stuck healing yeah.
austere urchin
Apparently they became a lot better in BC, but that's... BC.
maiden river
Paladins got good at tanking in BC for sure.
Ret Paladins got good first I think in Wrath
austere urchin
Until BC is a thing for Classic servers, Pallys are more often healing.
maiden river
Prot Paladin was also off the wall then
austere urchin
So unless there's Pally-specific talents that are needed for raid composition (blessings), or want switch between heal and tank, Priest would be the way to go.
On another note, this may have detracted a bit from your original question. Is all this information sufficient for you @sharp agate ?
sharp agate
Oh =S .
I will start up my level the next week.
I do t know what take, pala or priest.
I love pvp, but i also like pve then...
I dont know what its better to take.
I think at this moment all the content of clasic its end.
I will see for Tbc, i hope it will come fast true??
What you recomended do??
austere urchin
Honestly it's up to how YOU want to play, but also what you want contribute to any given dungeon/raid or perhaps PVP match.
Create one of each, and see what you feel more comfortable with.
sharp agate
All time i was playig pala.
austere urchin
If you do a Pally, in your early levels put all your talent points in holy first until early 20s.
sharp agate
Then... i dont know
austere urchin
You will at least by then get Consecration, which is your class-based AOE.
You need 10 points in Holy to be eligible for Consecration.
It's not NEEDED, but it'll help you solo.
My pally is also an Engineer so with that I can make dynamite for more AOE abilities.
Another note is that, considering the above, Pally solo/dmg dealing are basically all melee range. Priests are ranged casters.
The only "range" Pallys have is healing, and Judgment to a small extent.
Priests can otherwise be pretty good damage dealers, but like Pallys, you'll be wanted more for healing.
sharp agate
I will look it, thnx so much.
On tbc priest can do pvp like a dps??
austere urchin
That I don't know.
austere field
why is rank 2 on seal of rightousnes on paladin useless
it does nothing better than rank 1
but costs twice the mana
austere urchin
I think it's a bug.
Like, the description is wrong.
I don't know if the mechanic matches the issue, or if it's doing it's expected job.
austere field
its does the same damage
austere urchin
OK. Submit a bug report, OTHERWISE check Blizzard's list of "not a bug" things.
maiden river
Hey all my locks imp doesn't attack and just watches me taking a beating - help pls
austere urchin
Do you have it set to Passive?
I could be wrong on that. It's a hunter thing. Not sure about locks.
weak sinew
why is rank 2 on seal of rightousnes on paladin useless
@austere field I'm going to guess because you just got it and are lvl 10/11?
Many abilities scale up a little as you level, but lower ranks cap out.
So see Seal pages on WH and the level sliders
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=21084/seal-of-righteousness - rank 1 - maxes at lvl 8 with 3-9/hit, 26/Judged
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20287/seal-of-righteousness - rank 2 - starts at rank 10 about the same as maxed R1, then maxes at lvl 16 with 4-13/hit, 36-39/Judge
knotty tundra
does any1 know if vanilla remains vanilla or does vanilla will go to TBC (i hope they do differen server or something, maybe give free char transfer to continue in tbc)
knotty tundra
i like tbc and lk, but now i prefer to the game as it was 😄
stark oxide
guys what kind of weapons are shamans supposed to use
im playing it for the first time
tacit mortar
As a mage after zf to 54 what’s the best method to get to 60?
Should I do some@quest?
Or is there any farming
fresh lava
Anyone wanna play together?
tacit mortar
As a mage should I zf to 52 or 54?
austere urchin
ZF is generally from 44 onwards. 54 would be entry level for BRD.
hot reef
IM MAKING A MAGE ❤️
cosmic bane
classic is a real small download
tacit mortar
Is black rock d better than zul Farrah solo farming
austere urchin
So this just happened.
craggy quiver
Totally new to wow is it to late to start classic
icy mountain
it ain't going anywhere
wooden pewter
Leveling is going to be hard and lonely tho 😛
austere urchin
@craggy quiver Never too late.
unkempt tusk
Gotta love classic though, the challenge presented and immersion to it's world is unrivaled.
austere urchin
@craggy quiver The challenge with getting into it "now" is to not feel daunted by how far people are ahead of you in progress.
random hare
Boys and girls warrior or rogue for mostly lets say 90% pve and like 10% open world pvp???
austere urchin
Depends what you want to do.
Warriors are touted as king of melee DPS, so it may depend on whether you want tanking capability as OS, or if there's class talents you want to be able to use.
Warriors better surviveability with mail/plate over rouges that can only wear leather.
maiden river
Fury war DPS is actually insane
But it is dependent on good gearing
Otherwise they hit like a wet noodle
random hare
So warrior is lets say good only with top gear and rogue is ok with lets say med gear?
maiden river
There are videos of naked level 2 rogues killing fully geared max level PvPers
Rogue is pretty much good across the board as a DPS spec, and while it does get better with gear, it's much less dependent
random hare
Well I believe that but im not that pro guy who did it and i dont think i will be ever be..... So
maiden river
Somehow you dont even have to be a pro at rogue. The average required skill is pretty low.
Since the rotation is pretty simple. The worst part is leveling them since they are extremely squishy.
random hare
Oh really? Warrior need more skill to play?
maiden river
I'd say so yeah. Not a ton more since all of the classes in Classic are pretty simple, but it does require some finangling.
random hare
Hmmmmm
I got my warlock and my druid for tbc coming just need to have a melee dps too :D and i am between those two classes
austere urchin
Warriors are highly gear dependent.
If you don't have the gear, then your DPS will suck.
There is this video, albeit old and not HD, that shows that naked rogue with the beginner knife can down a fully geared warrior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7JYsuRD0nY
So I would argue that rouge may be more fun to play, and have some sweat looking gear sets.
Oh, and you get to wear the "Red Defias Mask".
random hare
Wow thats crazy
brazen meadow
Hey so should I buy Wow Classic? I mean the game is 15... almost 16 years old. Is it still worth it?
maiden river
I just started it and it's fun to me
sacred topaz
If you already have a WoW subscription, giving it a shot doesn't cost you anything 🙂 And if you enjoy it (many of us do) then yay, if not, go back to Retail
icy mountain
you DO need a sub to play classic, there is no trial for that one
sacred topaz
I clearly stated if they ALREADY have a sub
You don't have to purchase the game, but yes, you do need a subscription.. if you have a sub to WoW, you can play Classic or Retail
or both, like I do
icy mountain
I was just letting them know..that the trial they are checking out as conversation in retail wow. doesn't give them access to classic..
...assuming we are both talking to 123mr
muted oracle
which is better?
sacred topaz
I wouldn't say either is "better" because they offer different things. Most of us who play Classic wanted that nostalgia combined with the community that Retail has largely lost. Classic is much more grindy, guilds are pretty much necessary and, while it is "old" content, for some - they didn't get to experience it the first time around. Some of us really enjoyed that content, and the grind.
Retail has it's own benefits, and a much larger world to explore and lots of things to do to keep you busy and occupied outside of LFR and dungeon-finder. I play both because I love both, it's super personal what you prefer.
maiden river
Classic is pretty much the definition of simple, grassroots fun. It's more like a co-op RPG compared to retail.