The "fanboy" argument Is usually the last resort for fools Who dont have any other retort
#classic-wow
trim ocean
Some expansions is not necessarily just BfA
hexed finch
The "lol bye" retort,how Classic
I'm surprised you didnt use the more modern "no u",but bye to you too,have a nice day :p
low wedge
I missed comments why they gone?????
hexed finch
I suspect staff trickery,It seems this conversation Is over
green folio
Who cares if it is infinite. If it dies it dies. in the meanwhile blizz gets a hit of resubs which is worth the $$$$
enough with the anti-classic
pulsar harness
People like classic primarily because you have to play with other people. You dont have to in retail wow.
At the same time, all of the content in classic will be cleared in a week.
bright root
Ofc.. Top rushers will clear everything fast af, but still exist ppl who never experienced raids and will have progress :) it isnt just about Apes or other pserver HC raiders..
hexed finch
👀
grizzled juniper
tmw you actually have to play with people now with 8.2
plucky glade
@green folio No one is being anti-classic
green folio
Thank you for clarifiying many hours later @plucky glade
bright root
@plucky glade Classic was designed as casual game :) and nolife is just for HC raiders / rankers
plucky glade
@bright root I wasn't refering to the game lol. It was in reference to him making the "hours later" remark
bright root
Oh, okay :D
plucky glade
If I play classic, it'll be casually. I'm too dedicated to the live game
Now if wrath made its way out 
idle kite
if classic is successful, def we will see tbc and wrath servers
shy linden
from what they have hinted at they are already working on the early BC stuff
frigid fractal
sturdy trench
Not too great idea to split the player base with four different versions of the game.
astral lava
it’s just bfa and classic so far, how do you get 4?
sturdy trench
"if classic is successful, def we will see tbc and wrath servers" as said by AlexxCri few lines above me.
I know there are only two at the moment, I was referring to the possibility that there will be more versions at a later date.
idle kite
john hight, the wow producer and ion game director already said they are planning for those already based on just the hype for classic... do you really think after naxx is done and on farm for most, they wont release tbc and after that wrath for those that want them?...
regardless for player base split
if they make a copy option so you have classic chars and tbc chars separate most will try the new exp without a second thought... cuz if they dont like it they already have the other version
its just good bussines
and who knows... it might attract even more that did not like vanilla and liked tbc or wrath
mo' subs... mo' money...
astral lava
we have a few years to worry about split but yes I guess launching tbc and wrath may kill the classic servers pop - maybe they’ll have to merge servers down anyway to avoid dead ones (or sell server transfers)
reef pilot
@sturdy trench it's not really splitting if everyone is paying the same monthly input
sturdy trench
@reef pilot It is splitting the playerbase over multiple games. The money is the same sure, but the amount of people in each game will be less.
reef pilot
Hate to break it to you but the playerbase is already spread too thin with the amount of servers....
sturdy trench
Yes, and the servers should be reduced in number as well.
reef pilot
That wouldn't be fair to those who have been tied to there servers forever...
sturdy trench
You offer free transfers from the server, simple. There is no logical reason to keep servers up that have so few players in them.
reef pilot
No... I grew up on this server I'm never going to swap off it
sturdy trench
You're fond of the name of that server, that's it. If all the people from that server were to be moved to another to boost numbers, only thing changing would be the server name. In turn Blizz could save money on server costs and make the server actually be alive.
reef pilot
It's more than that. It's an identity. Seeing people from Mok'nathal shows to me that they've been there for a while. It's a low pop older server, so we don't get a lot of new players
acoustic furnace
@astral lava they should just launch TBC after classic finishes and wrath after that. Let people play through the 3 best xpacs
astral lava
yeah but I'd like to keep my investment in classic once I've made it
acoustic furnace
6 months, 1 year, 2 years later a server still on classic will be pretty dead. But if that doesn't bother you then you should go for it. You could always keep that toon as a 60 twink on a BC server and level a new toon to 70
acoustic furnace
Hello, I am trying to speak with someone from Wowhead who understands how the datamining of patches/wow in general works for the information gathered on the Wowhead site. Is this the right place to find that person?
astral lava
maybe but not the right channel 😃
idle kite
looool so funny that the game manual on https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/wowclassic is the old one from 2004 with the duron and mac g4 spec requirements :)))))
lazy blizz not updating the manual
why would they put that manual there is beyond me
i guess its titled world of warcraft manual not world of warcraft classic manual... so they are fine
still funny to see it there
😂
primal lark
with whom do i address errors in guides. Found a bunch in the pala phase bis guide https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/paladin-healing-gear-bis-classic-wow#phases-phase-1
?
acoustic furnace
yeah a bunch of the caster ones don't have this item as Pre-bis neck https://classic.wowhead.com/item=22403/dianas-pearl-necklace
trim ocean
frigid fractal
@sonic jay please take a look at your leisure
sonic jay
Hey @primal lark feel free to let me know what you think should be changed
primal lark
idle kite
so he is talking about maybe not being available, some of the items listed until phase 2
who knows for sure... only blizz
viscid tapir
In WOW Classic, will there be Character Transfer from Server to Server or Horde/Alliance switch?
astral lava
not initially but later yes (server change but not faction change afaik)
viscid tapir
Is there an official post available? 🤔
frigid fractal
@sturdy valley please contact Sas148 to place promotion links. Thanks!
sturdy valley
@frigid fractal Ok, sorry about that!
frigid fractal
Np
fathom yarrow
hmm so on https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18816/perditions-blade , under quick facts it says that it will be added in content phase 1. Where does this come from? it was never on rags drop table until patch 1.4 which should be phase 2
hallow owl
the confusion could probably stem from the fact that rag was first killed on 2005-04-25 and patch 1.4 came out 2005-04-19
but the item was not technically in the game until 1.4
it's the same thing with a few c'thun drops that were added in 1.10, because nobody killed c'thun before 1.10 everyone thinks they always dropped off him
pearl swift
Excuse me, ladies and gentlemen.
About hunter:
If I have 2,96 attack speed as a hunter (duo to weapon speed +quiver), does it means my aimed shot will always "erase" 1 autoshot (normal attack)?
bright root
Yy
plucky glade
@pearl swift You have to use your abilities in between your autoattacks
pearl swift
Thanks, @plucky glade , but WHAT if its cast time is longer than the difference betwen autoattacks?
fathom yarrow
Then you lose DPS
pearl swift
Shit
bright root
Depends on your attack speed :) under 3.0 is better spam / priotize Aimed, more than 3.0 is better wait with Aimed right after AS
radiant geyser
Hello lads.
I have a quest for the classic servers.
Does anyone know if the hinterlands elite quests like Jintha'Alor is open for the horde in the start? and what about Classic class quest? does it open with the ZG quest?
ZG patch*
green folio
class quests will be on launch
fathom yarrow
Could you link a source for that @green folio
fathom yarrow
well yeah but he's talking about the lvl 50 class quests
which were released in later patches
frigid marlin
The shaman / paladin / druid quests don't give the ranged weapon slot, so i would imagine they are available on launch
added in patch 1.7, so ZG patch
they may not actually launch those till phase 4 i guess, but that would be a bit silly
fathom yarrow
I'd expect them not to launch it until p4 personally
frigid marlin
unfortunate, beacuse that warrior flask is pretty nice.
wouldn't be surprising though
fathom yarrow
yeah diaamond flask is insanely good
abstract copper
Is classic out yet?
fathom yarrow
aug 27 if that was serious
abstract copper
Frick
grave marlin
hey folks, is the number of pvp realms in EU already known? Will we be able to know high pop realms on Aug 27 already? Is there a sure way to find and start at a realm like today's Kazzak or Twisting Nether? (as much as you might hate those, I would like to be at the most populated server possible, so please don't tell me how shitty kazzak etc is... the question is not "are high pop servers good". The question is, will we be able to know the highest pop server on aug 27?)
vocal whale
grave marlin
ahem, lol... thanks 😃 I was aware of an "avoid streamers" perspective, but didn't know it was this serious 😃 I'll check the site and the video and come back with questions (in case i have any 😃 )
just a piece of info i found:
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/avoid-streamer-realms/53410/9
astral lava
that's unlikely to be accurate
I think we'll get realms as part of character creation opening, so Aug 12
barren crane
omg really can't wait until tasting vanilla again
grave marlin
ikr? my heart is swinging like a hammock waiting for classic
rocky lichen
Will classic be free if I got bfa already?
exotic nebula
yes, classic is included with the sub you pay for "retail" WoW
rocky lichen
Awesome when is the launch planned?
exotic nebula
27th August
don't hold me to this, but I believe it's a global launch like they did with BfA? So it would technically be 26th for US/OC players, and midnight 27th for EU? Again, not 100% sure
wait OC are ahead of EU arent they
you can tell I've been up too late xD
rocky lichen
Well I never played Vannila but ill try it because the hype is so huge xD
exotic nebula
I'd say its quite a different experience than current WoW, lots of quality of life things you have in current WoW you wont have in classic, but that's not necessarily a bad thing
still can't believe I started playing in March 2005 😖
no regrets! 😛
rocky lichen
Well I started playing around 1 week ago haha, Trying to get gear to raid and stuff looking for guild etc 😛
exotic nebula
ah, welcome to WoW!
exotic nebula
Not at the moment, don't really have the time unfortunately 😦
just doing "casual" things hehe
currently working on getting pathfinder 2 achievement so I can fly in BfA zones
astral lava
btw you don't need BfA, just a sub
exotic nebula
ah, yeah I didn't make that very clear
astral lava
(ie you can save $49 or whatever the bfa xpac price is if all you care is classic or you don't care about retail > 110 content)
exotic nebula
thanks for clarifying 😃
astral lava
np, nitpicking is my guilty pleasure 😃
trim ocean
😃
dire pendant
Also, you were correct about the global launch. It is going to release midnight in France, on the 27th.
grave marlin
Well, I got some piece of advice for newcomers to retail / BFA. my background is, I played classic, tbc and most part of lich king. We were hyped about classic with my friends. so we decided to play classic definitely. And we were so much hyped that in the end we said, why not play BFA while we wait? So we started in november with BFA. the game changed A LOT (not necessarily in a good way), but still we were bunch of ppl and it was super fun to level up super fast. There were things I was never happy about.
eg. transmog, new talent system, tauren priest, tauren rogue, tauren paladin?!?! (i mean, srsly?)
but in general I was having a lot of fun. So we hit 120 and started doing mythic+ and normal / heroic raids. it was super good. a lot of stuff to do, a lot of gear to improve etc.
but there came a point where we simply blew a fuse. (and this was only 4-5 months after we had started the game). We had like 2 - 3 level 120 chars at 410 item level and there was not much room to improve anymore. everything looked really dull and you were like a god-mode pve'er who cheated in a game and just squishing things senselessly.
so what I'm saying is for pve players who would like to focus on pve content. I never did pvp past classic & tbc.
so after this fun times, we simply stopped playing. i personally switched over to vanilla privates. and it was A HUGE difference
the way i see it, an expansion to a game should make the game more challenging, tricky, you have to employ more tools, tactics, you need to be more cautious
so in that sense, classic is an expansion to the current state of wow. so my advice would be, go ahead and start with retail
at one point you might think wow is just a dull repetitive game, and that's the point to start classic
because with the limited knowledge of the game you have, it's normal to think latest expansion is better than classic because you have flying mounts, transmog, all that stuff which makes things quicker, (AND BALANCED, oh I hate that word in wow...) etc.
but when you can go back and see things, and how special they were (like shamans on horde and pally on allies) , and the challenge they introduce
that's what keeps you engaged. it takes more to overcome stuff. and that's why everyone talks about how more "rewarding" classic feels
and now I can even dare to say blood elf paladins and flying mounts on a small continent called outland was a really stupid mistake on blizzard's side. even tbc started destroying the classic experience. I'm not even mentioning transmog...
dire pendant
Your pov is clearly biased, you talk about repetition as if it is a bad thing in current content. Then say that, to do the same content from 15 years ago isn't somehow repetitive. The elites could be solo'd back in vanilla (not all of them, but a lot of them could be), the community wasn't perfect then, the class identity was much better, there is a lot more that could be talked about also though I really don't want to. In the end the game is what you make of it, not what someone else makes of it for you.
The current game is way more challenging in gameplay sense, not gearing, then classic ever was. There weren't any crazy mechanics that you had to deal with in vanilla. If you think that something is too easy in current content, try the next difficulty level. You will for sure reach a point at which you will not be able to complete the content.
In all these games, Classic is a different game than BfA, you have to find what you like to do. I have had a blast playing BfA. From the lore to the different types of things that I can do in any particular few hours that I get to play, makes this expansion fun for myself. From store mounts that you can use in-game currency to purchase to any other items that are currently in-game, I have fun doing what I want to do. I have a great group of people, that while we don't raid or dungeon all the time together, we still have a great community.
grave marlin
Of course I'm biased! I thought it was obvious! I don't only mention repetition, I mention repetition in a much smaller area, among other things. But ofc. if you are happily running mythic raids and there's still the feeling of challenge, it's of course still fun.
are you playing a tauren paladin btw?
dire pendant
Nope. Though, I do love my dwarf shaman. 😃
I am happy that you like vanilla. I am not trying to make a criticism of classic at all. To each their own. I am glad that Blizzard has given the option for people to play a game that they loved. I hope they continue to do such things.
fathom yarrow
grave marlin
Well, i also dont criticize bfa (that much :p ) and for example the safe haven and all saurfang cinematics are very moving and exciting as nothing before for me. So lore wise its perhaps even more interesting than classic times. There are some details that i couldnt get used to in bfa. But i very much would like blizz to build upon the retail and go further. They are indeed different games and as an active sub i would like both to be games i enjoy a lot. If only there was a way to keep old content still somehow relevant. But i cannot go further than "somehow", i cant come up with anything. For example i'm VERY curious about this talk regarding level squish
Oh and yes i'm nostalgic as hell about classic :)
dire pendant
I understand. I think that having classic gives a "break" from current while still letting you play the game or the other way around for those people that prefer classic. Like I say, to each their own. They are very different games and will attract different audiences.
hexed finch
@grave marlin
well,tauren rogue doesnt exist for one
and from all points of view while they carry the ssame name
they are nowhere near the same name
while you may recoil at the idea of trasmog or how it's "ruined" the game in your eyes compared to vanilla
a vast majority actually treated it as a holy gift from god
the game has indeed shifted very heavily towards "more convenience" in all aspects,and some are welcome and some areas they went too far
like for example LFR
but LFR of any raid is paradoxically harder than molten core and blackwing lair combinedù
as in terms of actual mechanics the hardest thing in the entire raid was "move out of the raid with bomb"
classic was vastly remember very fondly by most people(even though a lot of them tend to break the rosetinted glasses in despair once they play it again)
was the community that formed around the game,and how the very long and tedious leveling experience brought people together
and while the current wow is certainly quite lacking in that sense,it is a vastly ""better"" game in terms of mechanics and other game-definining features
TLDR: classic and retail are two different games,and they each have their own downsides and upsides
dire pendant
I can only imagine how long it would take for someone to get to 120 with the vanilla rules for exp and leveling. You wouldn't be able to make a new character that could do anything for around a year. The fastest levelers out there for Vanilla went from 1-60 just a couple of hours slower than someone going from 1-120 (without exp boost items and equipment). It would be scary though, if it took you 3 months to get to 60 then. It would take 6 months just to get to max level. If it took 6 months to attune yourself to an instance. Yeah, there would be a sense of accomplishment at the end, but how many would stick around.
cerulean briar
Honestly it would take like a literal year to get to 120
astral lava
I hope it's slow, and hard, and people do give up
dire pendant
Yeah, arbitrarily make the community smaller so that only the elites are still around. Sounds like a great plan for success. 👍
astral lava
it's not about "only elites", more about getting rid sooner than later of whiny people who don't want to play classic
it's not like they are closing BfA so whoever wants that experience can continue to enjoy it
grizzled juniper
That is honestly a bad behavior and a cancerous one, really
astral lava
what "behavior"?
grizzled juniper
"To get rid of whiny people"
arent you all the whiners always pushing blizz to "make a legacy server because im entitled "
astral lava
- keep words like "cancerous" away, you're not the thought police and it's quite a big word and trigger 2) what are you doing in #classic-wow if it's to bash it or people looking fwd to the experience (and making random assumptions around elitist or legacy or what not) - bye now
grizzled juniper
I don't know which are the whiners here, the no life elitists, or the people that played through classic originally and grew up enough to realized that time is not eternal
waxen kestrel
i just noticed i got wow classic, did they give out keys like candy in the last 2 months?
grizzled juniper
keys of what?
green folio
and grew up enough to realized that time is not eternal these people are
people want classic, they know it's not 1:1 the same as 2004 but are still excited anyway. Don't bother reading the classic chat if you're not interested in classic
grizzled juniper
And i didn't say anything else but condemn those people that literally split the game into elitists and the casual group, and those elitists want the casual group (which can be ironically what other players of their generation are) away from the game
more reading comprehension next time
green folio
can't comprehend something that you didn't say
and you literally split the game into two groups not me
grizzled juniper
I meant this
Honestly dude
Quite literal example of peebs splitting the game into two
maiden river
people always talk about whiners and how they ruin the game but never show examples smh
reef pilot
Guys... I can't stand whiners like this in classic.... Complaining about people complaining about people complaining about classic... Smh
grizzled juniper
You are all toal noobs
reef pilot
@lucid pawn preach
vocal whale
People usually complain when they care about something. The people that complain about complainers do it because they don't care about anything.
reef pilot
What about the people who complain about complaining about complainers?
maiden river
grizzled juniper
:thonk:
open hinge
Anyone knows something about reservation of names for classic?
astral lava
Aug 12
cerulean briar
12th is when school starts for me rip
quick wasp
Creeper
buoyant wharf
Aww man
grave marlin
are we all ready for more BFA vs Classic fans fight? Or Classic vs Objective-PC-Sensible people fight?! YEA? LET'S BEGIN!
but before I get there, I have a question about prot warrior builds, pre-raid.
Should I avoid rend / deep wounds build while leveling and tanking dungeons? Because I never see this in any guides, but I came up with something like this: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/353000003-05-50250113530001051
and like i said, I wanna stick with this while I have a go at t0 and t0.5. but how far into the raiding is this build viable for a tank (if at all)
what's phase 2?
grave marlin
ok, phase 2 was a joke. but thanks. good info.
now back to the other discussion about HOW RETAIL SUCKS and HOW CLASSIC IS THE BEST AND PUREST EVER! From a time before whiners whined about equality balance and flying mounts and horde paladins, and threatened to unsub and got all they wanted and left the game anyway, leaving us in agony and pain.
ok this is also a joke. don't get angry. I'm a BFA player, too. I like BFA too, and I am objective. and my deepest respects and love to all of you my brothers and sisters.
so the original question was this:
Should I avoid rend / deep wounds build while leveling and tanking dungeons? Because I never see this in any guides, but I came up with something like this: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/353000003-05-50250113530001051
would deep wounds be bad in a raid because of the debuff / dot cap? how abou this build to level and pre-raid gearing up?
bright root
Classic war tank using rend? by the way.. anything about tanking (deep prot, furry prot, feral) i can recommended Scarm Tank on youtube
solar turtle
notice how everyone stopped streaming the Classic beta when Azshara came out? 🤔
astral lava
people stopped streaming classic beta when it shut down...
vocal whale
I never notice what any of the streamers do. I have never watched any of them.
grave marlin
No, people stopped streaming because Azshara came out. people were interested in classic for just a week or so. And it will be exactly the same after Aug 27. why would i play with pixellated face textures when I could play Azshara content? There's a ton to do with new neck abilities and all. And all this classic talk will be already dead by 8.2.5 release, and it will remain as a tiny, blurry event in the wow timeline, and the servers will be taken down quietly because no one will be playing 1-2 months after the release.
gloomy gate
Nah
A few nostalgic players will always be in Classic
Also, playing alts looks like a waste of time, in BFA, because you need essences and gear and a cr4pton of things to accomplish, but there's no point really because each alt would require a huge time investment. So, what most of us will do is completing stuff on main char in BFA and then doing something on Classic. Steady and slowly.
grave marlin
I don't know about baiting... but if there's one thing I know, it's that when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
and about alts in bfa, I totally agree. I was, e.g. really not motivated about getting my 3rd alt through the war campaign. and also to get the mission followers. It was not like a repetitive task... but still, It's tough to do all that with alts
but I'm sure blizz will do sth about it. they always have. they've proven themselves to make such processes easier. look at heirlooms or warlocks etc for example.
ppl won't be able to stand to classic without all those stuff. farming shards? haha come on...
low wedge
Classic is about nostalgia and streamers
grave marlin
agreed
and btw, they should add DK's to classic in phase 6 or something. After all DK starts the game at level 55, so technichally, it's still pre-60
gloomy gate
ah well yeah, for sure I'm not going to put much time in Classic xD Back in Vanilla it took me NINE months to reach 60, as a casual player. My main activity will remain Retail xD
and if they fix those "issues", even better
grave marlin
9 months... That's not unrealistic for wow classic. maybe even more if you're totally new to the game and the genre.
But it's not only that... If there's anyone here who played a shaman, would remember that shamans had to carry 4 totem items in their backpacks. And in wow classic, you don't have a lot of inventory. You could buy some bags from vendors but decent ones would cost 25s or so.
Now the problem with that is, if you train all your spells when you level up, you're left with a couple of coppers (if you've been lucky). Normally, you don't even have money to train if you don't sell stuff in AH or do some professions.
So 1)blizz makes me carry 4 totems JUST because I am a shaman 2) makes bags ridicilously expensive 3) and leaves me no chance to make money. It's like we were paying blizz for their super unfair game mechanics back in that day.
Now you have your mission tables, and if you have 3 level 120 chars, you can get 200g missions with each one of them, while you're at work, using your app. You can do approx 2 per char per day, so that's like 1200G a day, while you're not even playing. Now that's more than you need for 1 haste weapon enchant... Or almost the price of an extra loot roll token. So basically you don't have to pay for a game and then work your backs off for it, but you can actually start enjoying the game.
If we get some mechanics so that we don't have to re-do everything for our alts, this could become even better. Eventually it might be irrelevant to make gold in the game. If you could get your enchants or roll tokens so easily, then why bother with doing the missions from the app while you're at work to grind gold all the time?
It might sound crazy but think about it. You could stop worrying about difficult or limited stuff, and you could get flasks or set items or raid drops from mission tables instead of grinding gold during the day. I think it would go very much in that fun direction instead of grinding all your time "so that finally you could have some fun"...
grave marlin
Actually, when you removed gold farmers via WoW Token (which was a really nice move btw), now people sell runs for gold so that they can sell game time. so gold sellers are now kind of replaced by game time sellers... The thing I've just described might also solve this and the chat spam for selling runs...
barren crane
well, seeing you writing so much about wow maybe blizzard should hire you. and I mean it bro. keep it up!
grave marlin
no i think blizzard hired everyone during classic/vanilla in 2004 to spread the word of their unfair game.
now we're hiring blizzard to entertain us because they've just started doing that. getting rid of hassle, and let you have fun
barren crane
I am definitely going to hire them at the end of august. It's more than just a game for me. It will bring me back my high school years!
grave marlin
well, get hyped all you want. You've been warned about classic. If you just objectively look at the amount of hours you spend to get a char to level 60 vs hours you spend to get a char to level 120...
But yeah, if you have fun why not. Hope you have fun
barren crane
so you're basically saying that number of dings you had is equivalent the number of times you had fun. the faster you ding the sooner you smile?
sorry in advance if i don't get you correctly.
and i'm definitely not in the mood for "that's what she said" jokes. keep them to yourself.
vocal whale
Classic is about the community that Blizzard's evolution of the game destroyed.
sturdy trench
Classic won't have the community people hope it will have.
vocal whale
Constant LF on trade, helping others on your realm accomplish tasks, organizing defense of your major cities, organizing offense on their major cities and on and on. These things have been lost in the game.
Always monitoring World Defense channel, good times.
sturdy trench
I really dislike when people think Classic will be the same as it was back in the day. It's really not going to be. Sure it can still be a fun game but it just won't be the same.
barren crane
how can it be the same while it's not the same?
because we saw somewhat better versions?
vocal whale
Better versions of community?
sturdy trench
Classic will not have the community you think it will have. At least not in a long term. At some point people will kick others from groups for not having insane itemlvl as they just want to rush through a raid. You will get people yelling at others when they die to some basic mechanic. I'm almost certain classic will have worse community in a long run.
I'll still be playing it since I just tell everyone to fuck off. I lost all hope for random people I meet on the net years ago so it won't bother me. I just know a lot of people will be disappointed.
cerulean ocean
-50 DKP!
grave marlin
Wouldn't it be super cool if they added the farms in pandaria to classic?? That one spared me hours cuz i had stopped playing Farmville. And in classic you have to camp resource spawns so it would solve that problem. It's not fair that a no lifer can get a herb and i JUST because i'm a shaman, and have to heal raids, can't get that herb. Classic is unfair mechanics all over the place. In bfa the item spawn is for everyone and sharing is what a community is about
Moreover i think that story about the community is a trick your memory is playing. I remember not being let into the raids JUST because my druid was balance. Ppl were not nice at all. And it's not fair. In bfa you dont spend half of your money to respec. So you could tank as a druid and then boom switch to resto or balance. And gear is not an issue too because if you run around just a little (with a crowded community next to you, mind you!) to do assaults or world quests, you're already tiptop item level to start playing the latest content
barren crane
Couldn't stop laughing at "... then boom switch to resto or balance". Booom 💥 surprise motherboarders!
lucid pawn
@grave marlin The community was toxic back in the day, yeah, but they knew how to hide it ... talking bad in teamspeak about other guilds and not in tradechat.
astral lava
I wonder what motivates people to come to a channel just to tell people that they must be wrong in enjoying the topic of the channel... professional/bored trolling ?
grave marlin
Mostly bored trolling and a lil bit of sarcastaball. How would one get to do professional trolling btw? I would love my job then 😇
vocal whale
Being a troll is not a virtue.
grave marlin
I don't think trolls are after virtue but being a troll, especially in classic, is unfair. Troll racial is op compared to all races. Thankfully blizz has fixed this unfairness (and will soon fix zandalari troll for sure, after they get enough attention). But I think it should be nerfed in classic. I like to play tauren shaman because that's my first ever WoW char. but JUST because I'm a tauren shaman, shouldn't mean my racial should suck compared to a troll shaman. being virtuous and just to all players and classes and races is what makes bfa and its community great. I think classic is a great chance to realize that. Like fellow wow'ers told me above, (not my words, mind you), bfa is objectively a better game in most aspects, right? or, was it different? or was it better AND different? I'm still leveling up my objectivity, politeness, masterness, and pc'ness... apologies for any inconvenience.
gloomy gate
You love writing for sure. You got a blog or website by any chance?
grave marlin
actually I talk more, but yes I'm a bit from the old times. don't have a blog but I have a book. And I give motivational and provocational speeches to my friends and my clients ^^
gloomy gate
Probably 😄
astral lava
night ginkgo
when's the eu test
brave crescent
in ~25 days
astral lava
it’s combined world wide test, so also aug8 and not 25 days for EU
frigid fractal
August 8 at 8:00 PM CEST
August 9 at 3:00 AM KST
August 9 at 4:00 AM AEST
grave marlin
I think they should also move the tree of life to classic initial release somehow. It's not fair if all druids have some shapeshift form but resto doesn't....
hexed finch
Wasnt treant form from Wrath?
grave marlin
nope.... actually, technically... it might even be considered vanilla. and if you've been reading here, I'm all about fairness and balanced game mechanics. so it makes sense to have tree of life in classic
hexed finch
Theres too many "lly" words here,
And maybe this complaint should have been voiced during the beta
Might be too late now since its going to release in less than a month
grave marlin
I don't see what the problem could be with lly words. And it's not a complaint, it's all about creating a shared perspective of balanced game play and equality. I think BFA is setting a great example of this.
Not getting a loot on your mythic run is unfair, so there you go, an extra roll token for a reasonable price. I can come up with more examples. So it's not about having tree of life in the game "right now", but keeping this vision of balance, fairness and equality, which is lacking in classic.
grizzled juniper
That's not what they want, they want a full vanilla experience
not a vanilla remake with balance
hexed finch
The "NOCHANGES" movement was pretty big
They were pretty close to wanting the bugs to not be fixed too
grizzled juniper
So were they?
barren crane
so we basically assume that the blood elves aren't real. you can close your eyes but the sun will shine anyway !
you can have classic, you can have old game mechanics there is nothing wrong with that. it's fun it's part of the game. but you want to ignore a whole culture. that's is discriminative. #notoracism
grave marlin
no worries, it will soon be tbc for classic servers. community will see how balanced and just retail is, and they will be wanting the same QoL changes and other improvements to the game. So we'll have our blood elf paladins mate! ^^ yay! \o/
barren crane
that's what I'm talking about. if all races are equal, let them all be playable!? If they are not lazy to change few lines of code, I am sure there are volunteers to do the job. Imagine a vanilla ice cream and now imagine it with some chocolate sauce on it. Who doesn't like that?
grizzled juniper
...I have the slight feeling I am being trolled
barren crane
Oh no. Sorry to make funny analogies to communicate my ideas. I am serious actually.
grizzled juniper
It doesn't work like that
Classic isn't an enhanced version of WoW 1.12 with other races just because they "exist" in lore already
Classic is...well...just vanilla, nothing else, the game as pure as you can think without any other race, yes, they are equal in certain aspects, and they don't really lose anything putting them in the game but...they simply don't belong
Belves and Draenei belong to BC, and they shall remain there until Blizz decided to open a BC legacy
It's not just "add it because it exist"
its more like "making it really authentic and give new players the experience that Vanilla was"
grave marlin
they're just two different games
barren crane
@grizzled juniper thanks for your super clear arguments. but your final comment is interesting. you believe all these things are just to give flavor to the new players?
grizzled juniper
That's how classic was announced, didn't it?
"To give new players a chance to see how things were back then, and give veterans a chance to go back"
barren crane
That's possible. In fact, I didn't see how it is announced so I believe you. The way I saw the situation was just to shut down private classic servers and gain more corporate income. They accepted by denying earlier they missed a significant community / profit and these people out there playing what they really like... freely. I personally did not play in a private server and I will never think about playing in but hey this thing and the community exist.
grizzled juniper
It's not the way to talk here, but no matter if Classic exists, private servers will always exist for reasons
grave marlin
Well, that's not how I look at it. But I'm just looking the way the game evolved into what it is now, and I just try to brainstorm how "more balanced" and "less tiring" the classic experience could be.
This for example, Durotar is all empty and barren. why can't we have player houses and player farming there? BFA has missions, and we had garrisons and farms, and it was all amazing, brilliant, stunning and brave. Just because it's classic shouldn't mean we cannot improve it like retail wow.
barren crane
that means more work for developers my friend. nobody wants that.
grizzled juniper
And nothing guarantees all players are going to have a player house
Not counting that they already tried a player house
And well, they can't really add something that doesn't beling there
grave marlin
But look at how retail can bring justice to all players. Look at dash and sprint-like abilities for example. Warriors got heroic leap + movement speed. (Which was super weird when I first thought about it, but hey, they know what they're doing)
just to bring that spirit to Classic, they could for example, spawn npc's which give free food to warriors in orgrimmar. It rhymes with lore and the warrior culture. and it brings balance to warriors compared to mages.
grizzled juniper
That is not going to happen
grave marlin
I mean, one of my most favorite chars was an orc warrior. and JUST because I'm a warrior shouldn't mean I cannot get food for free and whenever I want
I'm a soldier of the city, and I don't even need water, just food
grizzled juniper
It will simply not going to happen
grave marlin
awwww 😟
barren crane
@grave marlin you mean a class bonus for warriors?
grand citrus
bruh the class bonus for warriors was 'actually being able to do content due to not being a terrible class'
grave marlin
@barren crane or a social interaction feature + bonus for warriors
barren crane
@grave marlin why don't you roll a mage? you can conjure biscuits? world of warcraft cookbook says they are fantastic.
grand citrus
tbh since the basic rule of conjured items in fantasy is they never stick around, i always did wonder about conjured food
grave marlin
@barren crane what?! this is outrageous! it's like asking me to switch to alliance if I want to play a paladin! I GOT NEWS MAN, IT'S 2019 AND WHAT YOU SAY IS MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO! are you living in a cave?!
barren crane
From the cookbook:
"Conjured Croissants
These flaky, buttery crescents all but melt in your mouth. They are showy rolls for breakfast, tea, or special occasions, and are sure to impress even the grumpiest orc. ”
Excerpt From: Monroe-Cassel, Chelsea. “World of Warcraft: The Official Cookbook”. Apple Books.
I bet it's what you are looking for.
grave marlin
Well, I'm a grumpy orc aight ^^ Hopefully, looking at how Thrall and Jaina teamed up, maybe one day I can be an alliance grumpy orc even ^^ I'm very excited with how wow's progressing in retail. Don't think I'll have much time for classic ^^ Thanks for cheering me up @barren crane
barren crane
You think you become more charming when you act like you are busy? @grave marlin
I bet you are going to be on the first row when classic launches. This is a once in a lifetime event! I missed it the first one because I was a little kid. I am not going to do the same mistake again
grave marlin
Well, I don't think anything is wrong with that and I don't think you missed much. Like once it was discussed here, BFA is much better in terms of many of the game mechanics and features compared to classic. But they are two different games, so we also can't quite compare them. So don't be too harsh on yourself @barren crane
barren crane
Yeah you are right. It's like comparing carrots and appels. But at the same time there are past emotions, nostalgia... My brother was playing while I was watching him because I was too young to read and follow the quests back then. So... you know... classic was a big deal for me. I want to feel what I have been missing so far...
void moss
not sure what i am gonna roll on classic a hunter or paladin
keen musk
Yeah, I'm not sure either. It's between a Paladin or a Rogue. I played a rogue during vanilla and got to rank 10, but when TBC dropped I moved to a paladin as my main and learned to heal cause I didn't like waiting in queue for an hour as DPS.
maiden river
Mages for life
half obsidian
@copper lynx Please make sure to use the correct channels next time. This is for Classic discussion
astral lava
don't feed the trolls plz
true lintel
when's the launch of classic?? I thought it wasn't until the end of the month, why are they letting us download it so early?
half obsidian
My brain is going to melt soon. We've got 3 and a half weeks left until Classic
grave marlin
I will feed the trolls if they are in need. We srsly need to change this "troll" language. It's hurting horde players.
green folio
I need to replay WC3 in preparation
grave marlin
You should play BFA too. It's a much better game in most aspects though they are two totally different games
real veldt
astral lava
it's already downloadable because of the stress test next week
grave marlin
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out for sure. BUT I can buy tokens with my gold in BFA... What would gold give me in classic? BAM! Another mechanic in which BFA is better than classic. However, we can't compare them really, because they offer two different experiences and they are different games
frigid fractal
@maiden river please contact Sas to get permission to post ad messages
maiden river
alright
astral lava
can you stop repeating the same “bfa is better than classic” rant over and over on the classic channel @grave marlin / go be an internet troll elsewhere?
grave marlin
@astral lava of course i can sweetheart! How can i turn you down?? Awww 🤗
cerulean quartz
Classic Pre-Launch will be free for everyone those 2 days or we still need game time to play it?
fathom yarrow
need game time for the stress test
I'll probably sub for it as the name res is just a few days later anyway
warm basalt
I keep reading these comments and one thing that stands out is this class has this and that etc, when you brought up the sprint thing and how every class has one I hate that tbh, in vanilla every class had a function mostly, CC etc, what’s the point of having 10 classes that have the same “skills” just executed differently, in vanilla you actually have to pick your class carefully. In retail it’s like oh every class gets its own version of sprint etc, where as in classic they don’t really have that option
And if you want player housing go to a private sever like the other guy said classic servers are for people who missed out on the original experience and veterans that want to play the original game, why convolute that with things like player houses etc, I mean garrisons were horrid since they kinda screwed social aspects of the game, I could understand maybe if it was guild house that would encourage playing with a guild but still I think that would undermine the previous statement of what classic is intended to be, I don’t think people realize how much the game has actually changed over the years and how much stuff changed because it was too “hard” or “challenging” I think that’s why a lot of people stayed around for a bit before they tried to simplify things on later expansions to appeal to a bigger audience even though imo it backfired
Plus what’s the point of player farms? You just sit in one area and click, no engagement at all in the world and imo the economy would take a hit
Last thing, vanilla was nowhere as near as balanced as retail either and I think the sooner people realize that the better before there’s a torrent of complaints etc
tardy chasm
Is there a better contact than feedback@wowhead to report inaccurate database information regarding classic in wowhead?
frigid fractal
@tardy chasm hi. You can click 'Report' button
Content team periodically review these reports. Please don't expect an immediate answer 😉
grave marlin
@warm basalt welcome
I'm sure there are people here who will try to correct your biased viewpoint and show you how it did not actually backfire and that classic will backfire.
And i still think farming in durotar and making it green and serving horde warriors food in Orgrimmar are actually amazing ideas.
barren crane
#greenerdurotar sounds good. It can even be an achievement.
Last year they gave a nobel prize to the person who calculated the cost of global warming. That will absolutely raise public awareness (thus will be crucial) for the society containing 12 million subscribers. I don't want to get off topic here so I am not going more into the details.
grave marlin
I like #greenerdurotar. Green... Durotar... Orcs... Greenery... Druids. ORC DRUIDS!! WHY NOT? While classic retains its unfair game mechanics, when do you think we can see orc druids in retail? It also makes sense from an equality point of view. Orc is one of my most fav race along with taurens. But JUST because i'm orc shouldn't mean i can't play a druid. It's obviously not fair and blizz has done a good job in correcting these inequalities.
warm basalt
Why not do this on retail though?
It makes no sense to do it on a classic server which is technically before retail anyways
It would make it a entirely separate thing from vanilla itself
Green orcs being Druid seems weird to me with the fel in their blood, I mean I think shamans can be understandable but it would just feel weird seeing orcs as druids, but I think that’s just my opinion not necessarily another reason
It’s not necessarily what you want either but what also fits with the lore
agile sand
I hear u bro can4500 what u say here most of the ppl cant find courage in their heart to say ofc a game should be fair, u know what else is fair? Farming simulators man, in pandaria i thout i was in heaven, just because im not herbalist does it mean that i cannot take flowers on the ground?! U know what im sayin? So many ppl says ppl want old classic back as it is but for how long 1 month 2 till they ding to 60? They will want change man, they will get bored first thing they'll want will be flying mounts then tauren priests...
digital arch
Will target's target be possible to see without any addon in Classic?
grave marlin
@digital arch not 100% sure, but I remember seeing them in vanilla servers. so it's probably yes
@warm basalt IKR?! What I suggested was for retail, too. So I'm happy we're on the same page about it. And good point about Tauren priests. It added a different color to the retail wow, and it showed what we might have considered "not according to the lore" might actually be in accordance with the lore.
grave marlin
I liked classic, but now I can't think of a WoW without Orc Mages and Tauren Priests. And I think Blizzard would reveal lore which talks about tales of very ancient surviving Maghar Orcs really close to the nature learning Druidism and teaching them to Thrall and Varok (or some other orc) in Outland. Sounds very logical and it's a nice flavor to the lore. This community created a lot of lore and QoL changes for the game. So why not?! GIVE US ORC DRUIDS WHILE WE'RE AT IT BLIZZ! COME ON! I'M RIGHT HERE!
hexed finch
orc druids is way less perilous of an idea,but it is still on the same line as gnome druids,a level of heresy so high,a class designer dies extremely painfully anytime anyone even considers the idea,it might even be worse than pineapple on pizza
and ive been playing a druidfor more than a decade,so theres no hate on my side,and btw maghar can be priests
astral lava
so you never stopped with your crap... please go to #no-wow-discussion can4500
vocal whale
@astral lava He is like the two year old that watches you as he reaches for the candy he has been told not to touch.
grave marlin
Isn't that cute? 🙃
And what part of what i say is off topic exactly? I have a deep connection with classic and wowhead since thottbot days and i'm very emotional about both. <3
barren crane
@astral lava you shouldn't call people's arguments "crap". Can is sharing news, comments and suggestions about the classic content. He is triggering serious conversations here and you have absolutely no right to undervalue people nor their ideas. Perhaps you may stop following the channels that you are not interested in?
grave marlin
@barren crane thanks for your open mindedness and understanding 🤗 and i have no hard feelings for those who are less tolerant. Because here we are under one umbrella which is WoW. 🤗 WoW and battle pets! 🤗
weak prawn
Not everyone is under the battle pets umbrella, I can tell you that.
dire pendant
You are and you just don't know it..... muhahahahahahahah
weak prawn
astral lava
not sure if you’re also trolling or have troubles seeing how constantly off topic or negative to the actual classic he is but whatever.
shell egret
astral lava
glad this is still on schedule, it’s been on my calendar for months
grizzled juniper
Later on the week realm details
oblique pawn
so what time in est time is 3 pm pdt
stable parrot
What is a good server to play on for classic?
grizzled juniper
Officials
grave marlin
@astral lava i respect you. I like you and accept you my dear friend. And i dont expect the same from you. Because deep in my heart, i know that we share the same love. And don't worry. Me and my friends have a vision. A vision you would like. And have no fear because we are willing to keep standing up and keep fighting for it...
agile sand
Whats wrong with battlepets or orc druids in classic, i mean even if wow classic was perfect game they cant make ppl play it forever without some modifications and updates, at this point would you rather they go same way as before like tbc, wotlk patches etc or little modifications or even some changes that never done in retail, that can4500 dude might be trolling or might not but still he got some good points and i dont think they are offtopic in fact they should be topic
grave marlin
@agile sand thanks a lot man. Much appreciated. I respect your opinion too. But to be honest i'd rather go down the tbc route. And then wotlk then cata then those cute pandaaaaas ^^ 🤗🤗. i really wish classic players can eventually experience the evolution of wow (as long as it may take). I wish they dont get stuck to the scholo options they have in classic and can eventually experience battle pet dungeon version of scholomance too.
But that of course needs to be natural. We all want to experience classic as it was. And maybe farm for days that scholomance for some below average t0 items. But as the expansions progress upon classic servers people will experience getting your 420 ilvl item from a world quest. That is life made simple. That is life made comfortable. That is the evolution itself. Humans and WoW perfecting themselves.
sharp otter
Hard agree that @grave marlin is just trying to bait people. He doesn’t want “real” discussion because he already has all of the answers. #classic-wow should not be used for BFA vs classic debates. It should not be used for “warning people about classic.” It should not be used to highlight BFA/retail class design. It should be used purely for discussion of classic wow. Please intervene <@&299347348847329281>
grave marlin
Thanks for your comments @sharp otter and I am sorry that I was not able to convey my message to you thoroughly, but what I intended to discuss was PURELY #classic-wow and PURELY the future of classic. I am willing to suffer the consequences if I am not allowed to draw examples from the modern state of WoW while doing that.
sharp otter
Blocking will suffice until <@&299347348847329281> action.
grave marlin
@sharp otter i find your hostility quite strange, though I am in no way disturbed by being here in the same channel as you are. But you and your friend aim to "get rid of whiny people in classic" (your words, not mine) while I support bringing people together in classic more than ever. So that has to speak for itself. I wish you enjoy the server, nevertheless, my friend.
bright root
@grave marlin Reading true all this.. Ok, u got some points.. But still farming simulator, pokemons, Equality (read it as game killing hyperbalance) .. If u want this, stay on BfA.. Ok, tree form seems nice, but thats how game works back then.. And majority of ppl who want classic want it without changes (me included)..
tiny nymph
or as few changes as necessary, if any at all.
bright root
Im my eyes its just perfect.. Also that feel u are just small guy in huge world with a lot of stories.. Not a FKIN OWSOM GODLIKE HERO
grizzled juniper
I guess no mod is going to come here
sharp otter
Guess not. I DMed one as well as the tags from earlier. I’m willing to be patient though. Blocking takes care of 90% of it.
astral lava
99% even
grizzled juniper
Still would be nice to have a mod here
bright root
Im open for discussions.. But about CLASSIC.. not shiting how "bad/unfair" game was and how fix it..
half obsidian
I'm excited for it. It's been a journey with the game so far and I'm really looking forward to raiding with my gui.d
*guild
warm basalt
Exactly how long do you guys think it takes to get to 60 in classic ?
frigid fractal
so, I went through an entire discussion. @grave marlin each game has their own pros and cons, and making imperative statements, as well as telling someone that they lack 'vision' or have 'biased viewpoints', isn't way to discuss things properly.
half obsidian
Depends on how long you play @warm basalt
warm basalt
Well I mean some ideas are good but I would prefer to have them separate from classic servers
Maybe “modded” or a different type of gameplay with those things added, but most people want classic as the vanilla
Traditionally that’s why private servers became a thing to add all of these things you suggest, eventually they make the game to easy or convoluted
@half obsidian ooooh say maybe 8-16 hours a day Kapa
half obsidian
It'll take you a couple of days, maybe a week?
warm basalt
Lol you sure about that?
You do realize the amount of xp required to level up was a lot more
half obsidian
Yeah I do. Wouldn't be a guide writer for it if I didn't 😉 But if you legit can play 16 hours a day then you'll be hitting 60 within a week or so
warm basalt
Ohhhh dannng LOL my bad
half obsidian
At 8 hours a day, I'd say twice as long maybe, Pushing a month at that rate
warm basalt
It felt longer back then I guess ha
Hopefully I still remember how to play vanilla rogue 😂
half obsidian
It will come back to ya
warm basalt
I hope so, I know it’s a long shot but does anyone know the list of servers they’re going to have?
Been trying to find a list so that the couple groups of friend and I can pick a server and prepare, or will we have to wait for the 12th?
astral lava
they said they'll announce that list before the 12, it'll be posted here and stickied I'm sure when it happens - not yet
half obsidian
Servers are being announced this week I think? So we'll get updated soon
bright root
@warm basalt speed levelers got 60 in 4days and few hours pure ingame time.. So, yes, vanillaHeads with routes etc will do it quick, but "normal player" is 7-10days ingame imo
grave marlin
@frigid fractal I thought I made that clear when I said we all want the experience of classic, and learn from how the game evolved since classic. I don't know why some people got angry, but I'll try to discuss things more properly from now on. and I should point out that "biased viewpoint" are not my words, but words which were directed towards me. No offence taken though
astral lava
can4500 is moving their trolling to #bfa on the Wow classic server... woot.... (and interesting... say bad things about classic on #classic-wow here and happy about bad things about bfa on #bfa there... in short just a negative troll all around)
grave marlin
I find this inappropriate, since everyone should have the freedom to talk as they want as long as they are in accordance with the rules of their discord server...
Like I said, I'm also an active sub of bfa. and what I say is dependent on the context of the server I'm chatting in.
grizzled juniper
This is a private server
bright root
@half obsidian NP.. Also Rag will be defeated in 9th day, second week max..
Also because ppl are more educated and meta already evolved (feral tank best threath tank beside furryprot, but thats isnt doable till phase2/3).. Same as accepting another "not optimal builds etc"
grizzled juniper
There isn't a total freedom thing
grave marlin
OK, my apologies. Sorry if I hurt any feelings. Let's prepare for the release now and help people make the most of their play time now.
half obsidian
Now I don’t see that happening
I’m sorry but there’s no way they can get geared that quick
bright root
It is possible :) ppl can do BWL in greens with right affixes (+shadow spell power without other stats etc).. Back then it was challenging and more gear dependent cuz nobody known how to do, low pc power etc etc.. Pserver guilds totally have goal do it..
And another thing u need think is 1.12 state of gear & bosses.. So, a bit trivial difficulty, than back in OG vanilla, where itemization was more garbage..
(mine english is bad, i know, but u got what i ment)
astral lava
affixes?
bright root
"of tiger/gorila" is affix
For example
And also.. HC guild will definetly farm dungeon / proffs gear for MC preparation
astral lava
not really no, affixes is about what special M+ difficulty is on. I think you mean "suffix"
that race will be interesting but I tend to agree that hopefully on a fresh server with no economy it won't be that quick
bright root
Aaaaaah,my bad..
half obsidian
Right now, we truly don’t have any idea as to how the XP rate is going to be, etc.
bright root
But still.. Ppl already do it on fresh pservers.. I know, i know, it will be not same, still they havent right values and whole library for every mob,but i believe in ppl.. And if some guild will be able have 60 in 7 / 8 days real time.. And u can also complete whole preQ to MC before 60.. So, coordinated team who play it for years will have zero problems
grizzled juniper
I suppose xp rate is going to be...normal
astral lava
wouldn't it be the same as in beta ? I assume people measured it then
you can't kill Rag on day 9 if it took you 8*24h just to get to 60...
(sleep ? food ? gearing?)
half obsidian
Nah. Just because the beta had a certain XP rate doesn't mean it's the same. They've changed this before remember
And fresh pservers are NOT the same as the official classic servers.
bright root
Speed levelers (HC raiders) will have 60 in ~5-6 days ingame (some are already ready play 12-18hr/day till hit 60).. And yes, u can got some sweet gear before 60..
9 day kill is quickest.. But max in end of second week we will have "classic world first" (dont count original vanilla, cuz it isnt same)
half obsidian
What are you basing this information on? Private servers?
bright root
Most gear dependent will be warrior tanks.. But that can be bipassed via ferals (if ppl accepted them, and they will)
astral lava
I don't think they changed xp rates in beta overall as the whole point is to be the same as the reference servers blizz has internally for 1.12
half obsidian
I should've retracted my statement after I read it. But there's no way we will see a rag kill after 9 days
bright root
XP rates was different only in first blizzcon beta nah?
astral lava
blizzcon wasn't a beta, it was a demo
half obsidian
Someone made a video that explained the difference between Classic and Private Servers
And I know for a fact from being in the beta since the start that the video was accurate
Are we allowed to post videos in here?
astral lava
if it's not referencing/advertising any specific pserver directly I think yes
half obsidian
Watch that
astral lava
we should have a betting pool 😃
bright root
Someone? Literally every classic content creator made it :D.. About MANY things.. No frontstab, no ham.kitting for warrs.
astral lava
no /sit crit etc
bright root
Sit crit works i think..
Also guys on beta already confirmed dungeon grinding as valuable way to exp.. And thats NOT a thing on pservers for example.. So, we will se, but on end of second week, Rag will be dead for sure
astral lava
I'll be too busy to do so but maybe I can come back Sept 5th at 3pm to claim my prize that the world first hasn't happened 9days after release ?
(if only because maybe noone will be able to level for like first 48h with queues and server crashes :p )
bright root
I just said its theoreticaly possible.. And day 14 is latest expectation..
Im also not HC player, i'll enjoy my game instead rush it.. And also need prove myself as feral main tank.. Worst part is that stigma from ppl who dont know / dont belive how good it is..
astral lava
I am not saying you would do it in 9 days 😃 I'm going with your 9/end of 2nd week "for sure" somewhere in US or EU guild claim... are you withdrawing it 😃
it's a good video KV, thx. I wonder if some updates/summary/confirmation with the stress test in 3 days would be good
half obsidian
Might be. But I can confirm that those differences are real
I don’t see rag down for at least a month
astral lava
curious about world first, eu/us first, but also when it's killed at least once on more than 1/3rd of the servers - I think that'll be months (hopefully)
half obsidian
The other thing is that people are going to quit. I don’t think many people will level past 30 to 40 before they rage quit. Guilds can say that they are going to get it but I don’t see it that way
bright root
We arent talking about casuals :)
digital arch
Any suggestions to early obtainable leather heads?
bright root
U mean in leveling process or pre-raid? And also oomkin/resto/dps/tank? :D
digital arch
Oh, this was just copy/pasted. It’s for a rogue while leveling. Do a leatheruser/rogue ned to be over lvl 20 to get a head?
bright root
First leather head is from quest.. Lvl 25.. Few clicks on wowhead / classicdb.ch btw
astral lava
hmm any idea why there was a patch to the classic beta install ?
vernal kettle
Probably because of the stress test coming up.
astral lava
stress test (unless it changes) is under wow classic not beta
maiden river
Is there a discussion here on what realms streamers are going to be and how to avoid them?
nimble kite
Is there some subreddit or something for classic guilds and recruitments (europe)?
vocal whale
@maiden river https://www.avoidstreamers.com
timid gorge
Why u want to avoid them? Just curious:)
grizzled juniper
It is going to be a big mess with the bunch of people on the same layer
willow jungle
got my old account recovered today
quiet pine
pog
green folio
when does stress test pop?
maiden river
11 am pdt, 7 pm UK, 8 pm Paris time today
green folio
thanks
rose roost
Looking for a decent shaman build that I can use while levelling up - I want to be able to quest etc, but good enough healing to do dungeon healing without too much issue (obviously im not expecting it to be as good as a fully fledged healer spec) - not fussed about anything else (elemental vs enhancement etc) :)
vocal whale
3.5 hours...
proven juniper
kek
grizzled juniper
Wait, when was the test?
nimble kite
How will accounts work? I have 1 acc with 2 wow accounts but I played before this battle net app with my brother and we were able to play in same time, are we going to be able to play in sime time now? since we have to log in through app?
vocal whale
@nimble kite 2 accounts on a bnet?
nimble kite
I have 1 mail 2 wow accounts
When there was no app when I played back in old days we had 1 email but 2 accs on them and we just run wow app and log in on each acc, but now its not possible cause of app so I just wonder are we able to play on same mail still
vocal whale
There is a popup in the launcher to select which account you want to play
nimble kite
I know but if I am logged in, and someone log in my email on another pc, I got message that someone else logged on my email and theres option for me to quit, log out
vocal whale
The other person selects the second account
Does it look like this with two accounts listed in the popup on the right?
Those are all under the same email, one bnet.
nimble kite
ye
vocal whale
The launcher will log out on the first but the game will not if they launch the second account.
You can launch them both on the same computer to test it.
Then you can multibox!
vocal whale
Rolling 5 druids in memory of Dajova.
grizzled juniper
Rest in pasta
vocal whale
Classic update on the launcher
grizzled juniper
For the normal one?
weak sapphire
get outta my swamp of sorrows
neon token
There's also discord.gg/classicwow
nimble kite
2 realms at my side
cerulean briar
Is it under beta or just classic?
sturdy trench
Just classic I figure.
vocal whale
swamp of sorrows moved to oceanic
grizzled juniper
Realms still disconnected
but I can get in instantly
Realms up
And they went instantly high pop xD
cloud spoke
not high pop, full xd
grizzled juniper
Oboi
restive turret
Means that either a lot more people logged into EU servers than NA or Blizzard cucking EU as usual and made the server smaller.
quick cosmos
F
restive turret
Never understood why they're so delusional and biased. The treatment the EU community gets from Blizzard is just horrible compared to what NA gets.
restive turret
But I think the most realistic situation is just that the EU servers are smaller than the NA servers. You could justify it by saying that NA people are still sleeping, so not many joined asap compared to EU.
Though I think NA servers just got locked aswell.
cerulean briar
Best place for addons?
grizzled juniper
I dont even
quick cosmos
Can we get a Rogue to lockpick the EU servers?
weary jackal
I get disconnected everytime I try to logg on to a server
maiden shale
iam at 5k and it says 12min
quick cosmos
I am 8k and it says 8 min
broken olive
short umbra
it dosent work have been waiting 15min :C
vocal whale
just double click on the locked realm and wait
nimble kite
I am dissapointent
They knew it will be huge event for people
Guess I will just wait for classic to come out screw this
I was 11k in realm came down to 500 and it kicked me out
quick cosmos
Nice
late sage
The waiting ...
grizzled juniper
Critz and Choppy seem to be enjoying it
late sage
gotta do what you gotta do
waxen hound
by fire be purged
grizzled juniper
Action cam is available
grizzled juniper
Reset
nimble kite
server shutdown now?
we were just about to make it to durotar
how muh will it be down..
vestal trellis
rip
grizzled roost
My pain is gone and now is back ouch
late lotus
Is anyone having trouble getting in like I am
grizzled juniper
Realms are down
warm gull
"Quick" restart
late lotus
are they going to come back up?
grizzled juniper
Supposedly
late lotus
It better be soon god damnit, I didn;t work as hard as possible for the last 8 hours just to not get to play
grizzled juniper
Calm down
late lotus
I am calm, text makes it seem like I am not
grizzled juniper
Besides I might know why they had to reset
Layering wasn't working correctly
I invited a friend but he didn't phase
late lotus
Again I worked for the last 8 hours so I didn't get to jump on as soon as launch. I wanted the day off but my co-worker called in so they called me in
grizzled juniper
New realm
late lotus
Retail?
grizzled juniper
Bfa
grizzled juniper
I dont know
vocal whale
you wait
rotund hemlock
^^
rotund hemlock
doesn't appear to be
late lotus
Anyone know the status
half obsidian
I see that I'm not the only one having login issues
late lotus
nope
and its making me a little mad because I worked my ass off for 8 hours and I am not even able to play
cursive rock
How long was classic supposed to be open today for the stress test?
grizzled juniper
Unntil Friday
cloud magnet
It is friday
grizzled juniper
It's thursday
late lotus
Well it seems no one will get to play before then
grizzled juniper
Some people are playing
half obsidian
Mine will load to a certain point and then stop
late lotus
yep thats what happens
cursive rock
So stress test is basically proving they have some work to do before launch in a few weeks 😂
late lotus
Yeah pretty much, I don't even know if it will be ready by then with the way its acting now
vocal whale
it's back
vestal trellis
classic is great
cursive rock
does classic have any ui mods yet or not until actual launch?
bright root
There is already a lot of addons :)
astral lava
source?
native pier
hey guys, does anyone of you have also problems with theier classic addons?
most of the time they dont appear in my addon list ingame - i dunno why
i tried every combination - 1. with the zip file, the first and second folder
and i only have the addons from wow classic sites
only vendor price and recount are working, atlas loot, onebag and gatherer dont
maiden river
I got addons for classic but idk how to send them to my classic addonfolder, or does it have to be done via twitch? : S
native pier
in your normal wow folder there should be a retail and a classic folder
start classic once and inside your classic folder is an interface and then an addon folder
there you get your stuff in
grizzled juniper
At what hour does the classic shut down?
maiden river
Okay thx
grizzled juniper
No Latin American servers?
ocean cipher
Yep
indigo venture
I cant get over how bad Bloodsail Buccaneers is
all the others are short and single word
the only RP server is long and annoying
ocean cipher
Also I know it was unlikely to begin with but part of me was hoping they would name the realms after some of the devs that worked on WoW back in the day.
As a tribute
indigo venture
No Central time realms is a bit annoying
ocean cipher
Yeah that seems a bit odd
frigid fractal
cloud spoke
meanwhile EU has several two-name servers
but I find all servers being a single name pretty boring to look at
and Pagle is by far the worst name
Make sense for something like Atiesh or Mankrik, but gdi it's NAT Pagle
rich condor
classic test is gone?
radiant glen
Not yet, the servers are still up
sharp otter
FYI EST realms are hosted in Chicago. There are no CST realms but EST realms for central US players will be faster than they will be for eastern US.
plucky glade
Sad that they didn't want to go for the original server lists
I was looking forward to being on a Classic Illidan server
ocean cipher
They probably wanted to differentiate the servers from retail, I don't think any of those names are used on the retail servers.
cloud spoke
that is true
but there has to be better names than something like... Hydraxian Waterlords
flat ridge
@sharp otter is there a source for that? I haven’t seen anything regarding data center locations per realm. Good news if true
ocean cipher
Not an exact source but a very very large chunk of the retail realms are in the Chicago data center
It goes to reason that the classic realms are all going to be there too
flat ridge
They are split between Chicago and Los Angeles. I would hope at least some of the classic realms will be in Chicago but AFAIK gonna have to choose a random EST realm and hope it’s actually there. Or try figuring out how to trace the route myself once it’s open.
vestal trellis
woot stress test extended to monday
astral pivot
where can I download UI for classic version?
empty garnet
Any opinions on these? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TXDWFB5/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
frigid fractal
Razer's mices aren't so good tbh
boreal lodge
I used one and got so used to it and I couldn't not use it. Then they break after a year or so of use so you're shelling out a lot of money every year
frigid fractal
the same story
A scroll wheel is a weak spot
as well as cable
anyway this discussion should continue in #no-wow-discussion
cursive rock
I had my last razer mouse for 4 years before the scroll wheel broke
low wedge
get those razer nagas out for all dem keybinds
astral lava
reddragong are 1/3rd of the price and as good (actually i prefer the texture of red dragon)
astral lava
hmm this is what I get today... anyone else?
looks like only swamp of sorrows (oceanic) is messed up... unfortunately that's where I have by toon
plucky glade
@astral lava Make a character and that goes away
Im on NA barov and it happened to me yesterday when I first logged on
I made a toon and it went away
astral lava
oh let me try that thanks !
well
sadly it's still screwed 😦 thx though I had some hope for a bit, I guess I'll reroll :/
half obsidian
So has this been happening all day for you?
astral lava
I gave up and rerolled but let me check
oh someone fixed swamp of sorrows, cool! just wish I knew earlier!
half obsidian
Awesome!
spice brook
Tomorrow \m/ Wooo, get them characters reserved peeps
hollow mango
so where does one do the reservation? is it ingame or at some certain site?
magic jolt
Hey guys, do you know if we have to pick a server as well? Sounds like we create characters, but not be able to log in?
half obsidian
So what will happen on Monday is that you do get to pick your server and create the character but not log in.
cerulean briar
So how exactly will the character reservation work?
name, of course
I'm assuming it's what like you are saying @half obsidian
half obsidian
Yeah. You will choose your server, create your character and name for that server but not be able to log in until the 26th
Or 27th depending on where you are
cerulean briar
so just log off after creating the character
half obsidian
Yes sir
cerulean briar
cool
placid raptor
So tomorrow at midnight (not in 3 hours) for EU realms will open and we can create up to 3 characters to reserve names?
astral lava
yes
spare gazelle
Where is the stomrage ppl going in classic? Any idea?
void moss
i betcha the buccaneer raiders server will be the moon guard of classic
oblique pawn
so i have to go on two servers one for horde and one for alliance tommorow?
astral lava
yes and you only get 3 names total
glass adder
so how viable is ret paladin in raids? if my endgame goal is to get the ashbringer should i play paladin or warrior (or hunter?)
grizzled juniper
ehhhh
glad fractal
What time does the char/name creation go live for NA EST and PST? 6pm EST/3pm PST? I'm deciding if I need to fell OK at work or when to be sick 😄
glass adder
i meant corrupted from naxx yes
astral lava
lol hunter. 3pm pst yes
hot abyss
hmm
boreal dock
How classic any fun? I think it boring since it a older update and meh
coral pasture
Cause the game was harder back then
coral pasture
Some people like it
boreal dock
Really? Huh didnt know that
Is it the one where you gotta pay to revive your character or something?
boreal dock
I watched on southpark maybe not lol.....
coral pasture
It’s where mobs can actually kill you if you’re not really careful
grand citrus
bruh you ever try bfa leveling as a rogue
think of that only like double again as worse
when stealth panthers in STV were a threat not an annoyance
coral pasture
I remember the time during 7.3.5 ptr that rogues broke
boreal dock
Ew i try legion lvling on rogue and it was horrible hard even with or without the artifact....
coral pasture
boreal dock
Idk why but lunar picture look like slaneesh model from warhammer 40k
coral pasture
It’s my Demon Hunter Elyara
boreal dock
Oh well it cute lol
coral pasture
Thanks
oblique pawn
then again i stopped drawing months ago
coral pasture
Same actually
boreal dock
Im ok anime drawer but not when it come to demon anime drawing XD
boreal dock
Demon is too complex and too much detail on the drawing
I thought classic have troll druid? Maybe not lol
I mean that what i think i saw
grand citrus
no and nor have they ever?
oblique pawn
Uhm I dont think so
coral pasture
If anything they’re destroying it
oblique pawn
Tru
coral pasture
I have another drawing of my DH in #no-wow-discussion
gritty terrace
ayyo, nelf or tauren for my hunter. i have names for both races decided, i just dunno what i wanna play
green folio
every race is viable for warrior tanking
some are just better than others
if only slightly
astral lava
play what you enjoy looking at, playing with for months not what you read has 0.5% better something
green folio
^
unborn wave
Thanks guys!
spark grail
grizzled juniper
New realms?
frigid fractal
Classic's realms
green folio
They were announced along with all the other realms
grizzled juniper
now im sad
cloud spoke
what, Pyrewood and Shazzrah were never announced as Spanish and what is the Horde/Alliance thing supposed to be
cloud spoke
I still don't understand the picture or why it exists
grizzled juniper
Hopefully it means they changed the decision
Also
What time is for reserve names?
cloud spoke
midnight for middle europe
vocal whale
THE END
placid raptor
When I enter the link wow's Facebook page posted today
It shows all realms normally
vestal shadow
vocal whale
Rolling Druid, Mage and Shaman x5.
oblique pawn
Oml same
oblique pawn
2 hours
placid raptor
Some say shazzrah, some say golemagg
warped valve
anyone or wowhead staff know if wowhead looter addon thing that works on retail live client also works on classic?
or a classic version of it in some way?
cursive rock
Trying to decide between est and pst realm since I’m moving to Colorado next year. First instinct is pay but the est servers are in Chicago, which could still be okay for Colorado
spark grail
oblique pawn
Shhh
viscid tapir
still try to remember what the best classes in raid and pvp in classic was
tawny hamlet
if we have wow open do we need to refresh when it goes live
slate kiln
Hello everyone. Reading the recent post on wowhead regarding relese im a bif confused about EU release. It says "WoW Classic releases worldwide on Tuesday 27th August at 00:01 CEST". So Europe will also begin on tuesday (the night between monday and tosday), and every Eu reset will be on tuesuday like us has always been?
cursive wedge
Dunno, maybe just a global launch like BfA was
tawny hamlet
theyre doing a global launch so itll be the 26th for USA
viscid tapir
@slate kiln - the world is no a flat and Europe is on 27th and USA on 26th 😉
quick cosmos
EU locked again
maiden river
yeah I'ms eeing servers locked
viscid tapir
@slim wharf - which realm?
cerulean briar
Fairbanks
dense hill
can't create characters as well
cerulean briar
for me
slim wharf
@viscid tapir Atiesh
astral lava
anyone in ?
maiden river
same
topaz gale
Same message for me
dense hill
on Pagle
tawny hamlet
are they doing this so streamers can make theirs??
sturdy trench
Give it few mins.
faint parrot
I’m in!
main plover
logging
astral lava
it shows "locked" for all realms for me
placid raptor
Stuck ob logging to servers
slim wharf
oh, i got it!
oblique pawn
cmon cmon cmon
main plover
if i see locked
slim wharf
im in!
placid raptor
I clicked on locked sever, still says "logging in to a game server" should i keep.waiting or restart?
slim wharf
dense hill
welp I pressed ESC and it kicked me out
slim wharf
F 😔
placid raptor
Still not in EU
viscid tapir
looks like they dind't realized that so many people want to reserve names XD
lilac verge
Stuck on logging in to game server
placid raptor
Omg this is frustrating
tough cliff
Yeah im also logging into game server 🙄
grizzled juniper
Its 3 per realm or per account?
tawny hamlet
per account iirc
oblique pawn
got mine
oblique pawn
i got kitty 😄
cerulean briar
Yayyy
oblique pawn
and toothless
tough cliff
Damnn i just wanna log in 😔
main plover
tough cliff
Same here bro
placid raptor
Did anyone in EU manage to get in
main plover
((((((((((((((((
chilly lagoon
yeah i was in early but got a numeric error and kicked out, now i'm stuck on that screen \o/
placid raptor
Wtf
ember plume
Even got this
tawny hamlet
yeah i got that too
ember plume
😄
storm cape
Same here
chilly lagoon
this is for that authentic launch day nostalgia i suppose
ember plume
Freaked out but it fixed itself
cursive wedge
Maybe restarting my game was a bad idea
ember plume
Got names I wanted 👍
little marsh
cursive wedge
Stuck at logging in to game server
lilac verge
I too regret restarting my game..
placid raptor
Says "logging in to a game server" then brings me back to login screen where i need to write a password
cursive wedge
Queue
grizzled bramble
In queue.... 6400...
cursive wedge
Fuck.
maiden river
stuck on the logging in to server screen too
dense hill
thanks blizz
topaz gale
I managed to get in but got that that "only player..." message. Tried again and now I'm stuck at logging into game server 
tough cliff
Thanks blizz
grand citrus
yep, still stuck on initial login
maiden river
lets be honest, did anyone really think this would go smoothly?
viscid tapir
Blizzard had just 1 job 😂
tough cliff
Cheers
placid raptor
Omg i cant believe this
faint parrot
Queue 3988
oblique pawn
so once i get my chars i can just log out and play regular wow again right?
topaz gale
nah, was expecting it :D
lilac verge
Sad day
slim wharf
im grateful i got..... her
verbal crater
❤
grizzled bramble
If it would have gone smootly its not a classic experience
topaz gale
true lol
placid raptor
Oh my gooooood blizzard please
low tangle
goddammit let me in
maiden river
so just to confirm, the whole "logging in screen" does go away eventually?
oblique pawn
topaz gale
ohhh, now I'm in queue
main plover
verbal crater
@maiden river yes
main plover
(((((
topaz gale
9101
placid raptor
Same.here vanilla
maiden river
@verbal crater thanks, how long did it take?
viscid tapir
I think Blizzard should have taken a stress test to make a name reservation. 😂
heady fiber
every server ded lul xept first
main plover
10 min later
tawny hamlet
it let me in at first but now im 6,000 in queue bc it wouldnt let me make a character 😔
verbal crater
@maiden river tbh I was logged in for 1 hour prior. it took seconds,
but I DC'ed and spent a few min back on logging message