iirc the people that got gear either got less or no gold
#classic-wow
simple sorrel
dire pendant
The raid leader I had would give out like 100 points per kill and something like 2 points per minute you were in the group.
simple sorrel
Then there was always the RL that just ran off with all the gold
simple sorrel
I saw a few guilds using dkp systems into mists, but I avoided them like the plague
dire pendant
We raided together for like 5 years or more. I can't totally remember.
Anyway, that dude is getting -500 dkp for not acknowledging your response.
simple sorrel
Meh, it happens to me a lot so I dont worry about it ๐
idle kite
Dkp is best in vanilla and tbc
By wrath when pugs are so frequent, there was no point to it
Another one is loot council
That one was bad... you would literely get no gear for a long time, then you get all the gear
Felt like paying to get something 2 months down the line... unless you were a tank...
simple sorrel
Loot council was a scam imo
A few people that know they are going to be there every time that bank on the idea of others to stop coming b/c they never get any loot
idle kite
Thats not really how it works when you have a dedicated team that shows up everytime....
But i do hate that system
plucky sun
Loot council is how the raid leader's girlfriend/wife gets all of the loot even though you show up to every raid.
hollow junco
Tru
idle kite
Lol... who joins those guilds?!?!... and if thats how it is, why not leave?... cuz you prob can tell after just a run or two with them
meager dock
sunk cost fallacy probs
idle kite
Those are autoinv guilds... not those that have an application-trial system that are actually worthwhile
simple sorrel
That's the point Alexx, after a run or two someone leaves and a new one takes their place. So the bottom has a massive rollover rate of people they never have to gear. So in 25m raids they only had to worry about gearing 15 or so.
idle kite
You wouldnt get any loot in a dkp setup in the first 2 weeks anyway, i dont see your point. How does it affect you after you leave?... who cares what they do after you leave? How is it dif from dpk for the 2 week time frame?
Or 2 runs as i said before, to be more specific
But those types of guild will never go away, the point is to know how to detect and avoid them.
maiden river
I got kicked out of a guild once for not offering an 18 slot bag to a guildmate before giving it to a lower level rando
this was back in vanilla
simple sorrel
I saw a guildie get kicked out for taking the skinner from the Beast when our 2nd backup guild skinner was in the group and he rolled against him
wooden niche
Poor paladin skinner who could not skin beast until ZG got released
maiden river
i'm a paladin skinner. i regret making that choice.
ruby wigeon
Loot council is how the raid leader's girlfriend/wife gets all of the loot even though you show up to every raid.
Lol name too appropriate.
Paladins seem like they would make excellent skinners, but pretty sure they became the kings of AoE farming after Vanilla..
idle kite
They do it in vanilla as well... aoe tanking farm is great... clear whole brd arena stands super fast... as well as sm cathedral
simple sorrel
Gdkp wasn't a bad system at all as long as the raid lead was honest and fair. With that system, everyone walked away with something, be it gear or gold.
fickle drum
Didn't GDKP require you to buy your way in? I never had enough money to start with
mental marten
The few ToC and ICC gdkps I ran back in the day required you to open a trade window with the leader and prove you had a certain threshold of gold to bid with (even if you ended up not bidding). Generally it was better to go to gdkp runs hosted by guilds with good reputation on the server to minimize risk of loss
At the end of the run the total amount of gold amassed in the run was divided up evenly to the players that showed up, once you got your gold you were kicked from the raid group
I remember there was one trinket on saurfang that always sold for high dollar, warriors were desperate to get it.
simple sorrel
Yeah it was mostly popular with ToC cause no trash.
meager dock
I ran gdkps in ICC, fun times
wooden niche
people paying tons of money for sour fang trinket
civic steppe
not surprised. people pay a shitload for a mount which probably isn't worth it (referring to spider).
sand reef
Every time I see someone on that spider mount my soul screams a little
civic steppe
do u not like spiders, or think it's expensive af and really want it or think it's a waste of gold?
sand reef
Not because I want the mount, but because I get frightened every time I see it
I am terrorfied of spiders
civic steppe
rip
sand reef
In pepperonis
simple sorrel
People like you is precicely why I bought that mount and use it every day
civic steppe
much rude
simple sorrel
Much joy!
civic steppe
no. ๐ข
simple sorrel
It kinda sucks that I never really know in game who it effects. But stuff like this gives me wonderful confirmation โค
civic steppe
i honestly hate the kind of people who take pleasure from the pain of others.
or
i dislike them a lot
simple sorrel
Thats ok, I dont mind ๐
sand reef
Well, it's your sub, ride the mount if that's your perogative. It just terrorifies me whenever I see one go past me
simple sorrel
It's ok. We all have something or another that makes our skin crawl. Hell, I am extremely trypanophobic. I don't go to the doc b/c I'm affraid of getting a shot. Last time I had a shot was just before my daughter was born, and that was for some vaccine for whooping cough or w/e. I had a MASSIVE panic attack. The time before that was some 15 or so years ago when I had my blood drawn. I blacked out and hit the floor.
civic steppe
ur brave
simple sorrel
Brave would be going to the doc in spite of my fear.
civic steppe
pff
regal junco
did vanilla have things you coulnt skin without >300 skinning?
civic steppe
? i don't think so
regal junco
I know that in FISHING having max skill mattered a lot for your catch chances but skinning?
civic steppe
not sure tho
regal junco
so why is the skinner important
hexed finch
@regal junco I'm pretty sure you couldn't skin onyxia without 300 skinning hence why u needed the dagger that increased your skinning by 5 or something I forgot
vestal glacier
On my lv 1 enchanter i get 1 arkana from items i de
On my 760 enchaanter i get like 4 or 5 arkana
From same item
So i haveto mail al greens to my high skill enxhanter just cause its a huge waste to d.e them on my low skill
Iddk why they did this
vernal glen
Because else everyone would just take enchanting to disenchant quick and switch back to a different proff for example
And what would be the purpose to level it?
vestal glacier
Spending less mats on enchants
vernal glen
That is really more of a bonus for the time and mats you have invested in the proff
regal junco
God damn. Yeah i'll be monitoring the Classic server scene when it comes out to see how progressionw works when it still has this """""archaic""""" stuff, but the players have the knowledge base and experience of nowdays
like how all the raid bosses are mechanically easy, and the logistics of getting 40 geared people is the obstacle
simple sorrel
I imagine the biggest hurdles in classic will be similar to the old days, that being newer players/characters and those that didn't make it for the beginning to get gear once a large portion of a server has progressed beyond BWL.
Doing so would require another 40 man raid on top of their progression raids. Steamrolling through previous tiers wasn't as easy as it is now, and still took a good chunk of time.
river widget
Gonna get that vanilla thunderfurry
maiden river
โฌ๏ธ
wooden niche
Its ok, people will always need maraudon and dire maul runs for that nature resist gear
And if aly do not have shamans, good look on over being able to kill visidious or princess huhuh
simple sorrel
Ally did it plenty without shamans.
And Visidious was fine cause mages
Also, all you would be priests out there. If you dont wanna get picked over, best roll a dwarf. Dat fear ward is in high demand.
regal junco
mauradon and dire maul
oh my god, what sick, sick man used to work at Blizzard
who would make people run through THE WORST DUNGEONS for progression gear
(oh my god i forgot priests used to actually have unique powers befitting their status as really being different religious faiths and sects. Yet another example of "a great idea for a tabletop role playing game, but not really for the Thing that WoW became which nobody could have anticipated")
wooden niche
visidious was not killed on most servers by ally until burning crusade broguht in shamans
regal junco
what is his gimmick
fickle drum
Really? Even with Alliance mages?
simple sorrel
The problem was the amount of melee hits he required when he was frozen. You either had to stack heavy quick melee (rogues), or have bloodlust
fickle drum
Ahhh
simple sorrel
Just realized one thing im looking forward to about classic. Original Azshara
I absolutely hate what the goblins and horde have done to it
sand reef
As a Horde-lover, I have to agree about the Azshara thing.
I miss old Azshara
Farming dragonkin in the hopes the blue hatchling would drop.
maiden river
I agree Aqua, old Azshara = best Azshara.
oblique wyvern
What was the state of priests in Classic? Was Holy the main spec? Was Disc viable? Shadow?
wooden niche
I mis old azsara with its haunting music
and also old desolace
with its giant skeltons and centaur clans
sand reef
I never got beyond friendly status with the Gelkis Clan. :<
simple sorrel
@oblique wyvern Priests were only Holy with minor points in Disc for support. If you were Ally, Dwarven Priests got preferential treatment because they had Fear Ward. I never played Horde but I believe the preferred race was Undead.
Very rarely did you ever see a shadow priest with a raid spot. If they did have a spot they did not only do for, they were expected to pull double duty and help out the other healers as well.
Ninja, don't feel to bad . You could only get to 11,999 / 12,000 into honored and then it stopped. There was no way to push into revered.
simple sorrel
Nope
I'm a bit of a rep whore too. Got them but to max honored on one char (not at the same time). I also switched from scryer to aldor and got that achievement
wooden niche
People were doing inane thing for rep in classic
The cloth turn in wre not in game at start
But there wre folks who wanted to ride other faction mount so people would farm un'goro soil and grown tons of morrowgrain
to get night elf rep
I think humans had a supply quest in swamp of sorrows
oblique wyvern
@simple sorrel Thanks! Iโm not surprised by what Iโve read, and Iโve also read that the class has changed dramatically since Classic to current state. I still think Iโd like to play one as my main in Classic though, as Iโm going to go Horde for a change - otherwise Iโd be going Paladin, hands down.
sand reef
Well, the bright side of Classis is that maybe I'll finally have a character with the Zulian tiger.
simple sorrel
Keep in mind pallies were limited to holy spec only, alliance only, and just glorified buff bots with some healing on the side.
And pretty much every class/spec is dramatically different from it's classic renditions.
oblique wyvern
Yeah, I realise that about Paladin. Good thing I like healing and support. ๐
sand reef
5 minute buffs requiring reagents
During Wrath, I was once asked to bring my Paladin to be used as a buff bot during Naxx 'cause their previous one left
idle kite
Ouch... the view of paladins is very bad here. Yes they were good at healing, yes they had good buffs, but they were so much more outside of raiding. Dungeon tanks, good dps if you put in the time, almost no class can beat him in pvp if speced and geared appropriently, can be pvp battlegroup front line damage dealer with healer almost as good as a warr, has the get out of jail free card of devine intervention, can aoe pve farm almost as good as a frost mage.
And the famous bubble hearth... the ultimate escape plan
civic steppe
I didn't play classic tbh but it seems to have been a shit-fest of shit
idle kite
lol
that's what's fun about it... the crazy things you could do in it. now its just press 1, sidestep press 2, press 3. you dont really have any dif in playstyle in pve or pvp or grinding/farming things(just a few tallent options). very little, if at all changes in gameplay/class rotation. in vanilla based on what you were doing, there were way dif ways to do it, and gear and specs for it.
languid sleet
I've started to play in 2013, but miss not have started in 2005, when I saw a WoW box in a tech store.
sand reef
I started in 2007. I had known about WoW since a friend of mine read about Blizzard making a Warcraft-based MMO in a magazine article.
But, at the time, I was still turned off on subscription-based MMOs because of my experience in EverQuest in 2000
hexed finch
i started in early tbc,i watched my bro play vanilla because i was literally too young for it,i've been maining druid ever since i saw they had ""free"" flight form
and cool forms when anyone else was just their characters
was a big appeal to child me
sand reef
Yeah, my first character was a Troll Hunter, but I ended up switching a NE Druid because I didn't really like the Tauren Druid forms (I still don't). Then, for awhile, I switched between Blood Paladin & Hunter, then Troll Druid. Now I'm back to my old NE Druid.
hexed finch
nah man,you might be a fellow druid master class boi,but f*ck alliance 
sand reef
I'm for the Horde, but I just haven't been in the mood to deal with playing on a pvp server.
river widget
I started in 04 after I seen LEROY JENKINS
orchid lance
I wonder if old mounts will carry over as a sort of FoS in modern WoW after you obtain them in Classic.
void moss
doubtful
sand reef
And I'm certain that some of the more vanilla-purists wouldn't want that anyway
civic steppe
those people are assholes tbh
sand reef
There are some QoL changes that have happened over the years that I rather like.
AoE looting for instance.
fair karma
OMG I KNOW
Looting is so much faster now
When they introduced that I almost cried lol
wooden path
Give me classic, or give me death!
Honestly though, you guys act like us purists are maniacs for wanting the game for what it was.
hexed finch
nono,we only condemn the extremist purists
if you are a purist to a safe extent you're fine
hexed finch
safe extent is quite broad from person to person,but generally you should be okay with blizz fixing the game's bugs and doing non groundbreaking acceptable fixes
new graphics toggle is still being debated if its condemnable or not
wooden path
I suppise
Suppose*
The only real fix i want is to make AV fair
Like fix the wall jumping thing Horde can do
I guess thatโs still not fair because of the heavy advantage Alliance have but
Even then, at least itโs reasonabl
e
wooden path
So unfair though lol
maiden river
Hopefully thats something that the assigned team will be sorting out
idle kite
i hope they just fix buggs and thats it
like moving kazzak to sw
but i guess they fixed that in later patches
one thing is the female undeads can go in warsong gulch ally base by crack in the graveyard fance
maiden river
Lol
I still think that they might be doing more to it, since they are bringing on a new team for it.
As fun as classic was for some people, it didnt appeal to everyone, and blizz does like to cover all bases, get the sub money in.
simple sorrel
Thats what current xpacs are for
Like when they remastered SC1 using SC2 engine
They purposly went back and ADDED some of the bugs that were in SC1
There were a few they took out, but they were in no way "fun" or "tricky", they were straight up just shit that breaks stuff
They wanted SC Remastered to be the exact same experience as the original, just with updated graphics
Also keep in mind, they only said they are bringing in people in order to relaunch the classic servers. After that, you can almost certainly expect them to disban that team, and only designate a select few people to maintain the servers.
At best, they MIGHT take the people off that team and put them towards making a BC server relauch, but I highly doubt that
What I expect we'll see gameplay wise, is what Vanilla was like a week before the BC patch hit. Now whether AQ is over, Naxx is available, w/e idk. They are either still figuring that out, or already have a plan.
But it will be that point in the game in terms of balance (if that word can be used in vanilla), bug fixes, etc.
hexed finch
aqua has 90% of the right ideas
simple sorrel
The one thing im not sure they will change or not is shaman gear dropping for ally and paladin gear dropping for horde. Theres no way of knowing now, but it's possible that they didn't fix it back then because they already knew they were giving pallys to horde and shamans to ally in BC, so rather than fix it and screw with loot tables (with a functionality that may not even have been available in the games coding at the time), they just chose to wait and fix it with the xpac
What 10% am i missing? ๐
hexed finch
ehh the new team
is mostly ppl from famous private server
like elysium
and nostalrius
so idk if they'll disband it
simple sorrel
Yeah, they are also contacting some of the old employees too
whether they are employing them temporarily or on a freelance base idk
But the point is, once the server is up and running, there's no point in having a team working on it
Other than pushing out new (old) content , depending on how their launch setup is
So like pushing out naxx, or zg, or w/e
Which will probably already be mostly built
It's not like they are going to make new content for it, new features, etc
so why keep people on
hexed finch
i think they'll open the raid just like in vanilla
to preserve the experience
aka at launch u wont have naxx
hexed finch
didnt tbc release in 2007
simple sorrel
yeah, and wow laucnhed in 2004 (VERY late 2004)
hexed finch
๐ค
simple sorrel
And the first 2 months of the game were very rough
yep, WoW launched on Nov 23, 2004, with BC launching Jan 15, 2007
Blizzard has always kept a 2 year timeframe for each level of wow
dawn ermine
@simple sorrel BC 2007 - Wrath 2008
dawn ermine
just under two years.
simple sorrel
Yeah
Its never perfect
but its always around that time give or take a few months
The sortest was probably cata to mists
Classic 111 weeks (24 months), BC 95 weeks (22 months), WotLK 108 weeks (25 months), Cata 94 weeks (22 Months), MoP 111 weeks (24 months), WoD 93 weeks (21 months)
maiden river
@simple sorrel You keep saying, oh they will do this and it will be like it was, unless youre part of this team that os relaunching it, you dont know shit, like the rest of us.
I suggest you say what you would like blizzard to do, otherwise you will just be pissed off and feel stupid when they do exactly the opposite of what you 100% said will happen
simple sorrel
Ok, hows this. I feel that people should listen to what blizzard has explicitly said in interviews, posts, and previous examples of an extremely similar situation. I don't feel that I will care at all if I said one thing and they do another. I also feel that everything I said was 100% conjecture, and in no way stated to be absolute fact.
I feel that if you read it that way, then I apologize for your misinterpretation.
maiden river
Hmm, i guess that was how i read it, and i understand that you may have not meant it like that
simple sorrel
No worries ๐
idle kite
I really hope they bring back the old forums as well.. i miss the old style site
With the screenshot of the day and all that
It was way more just share your fun adventure ingame, dont worry, we'll put it on the front page on the side. More like a comunity site, then a game site
dire pendant
Last comment 2 days ago, I guess the hype for classic is slowly dying away.
vernal glen
Well, there haven't been any new news post regarding the servers
arctic gyro
People wanting Classic yet complain about little things that make the game harder in the last patch. Logic of 2018
hexed finch
logic is "today's game is supposed to be ez so i can watch netflix while mythic raiding,while classic was hard and u couldnt do anything about it
imo that's the logic there
arctic gyro
idle kite
there is a dif though... vanilla was up to lvl 60 and it took for average players about 2-3 months. if it was the same style... up to 110 it would take what? 1 year+change to get to max lvl? thats the problem
no saying that it takes that much now... i dont really know how much it would take with the new changes
but its still a lot of time sinc for the current lvl range. it needs to be faster, there is no way around that.
and trust me.. i like the vanilla type of lvling... but still i would not lvl 1 to 110 in that same style, ever. and thats from a player that actually like wow, from a new player would you really expect that to put in that time?
arctic gyro
I used to play WoW back in Vanilla and BC, quit at LK. I can honestly say that I hated the leveling then, the skills, the areas and the super mad farming for a profession. It was a pain in the ass slow, way too slow, money making was horrible. Hell, everything was horrible lol I don't see the reason to bring it back. Sure you used to meet a lot of people on the way to 60 and end game, that's about it. People miss interaction with others, group questing, helping each other etc. Now it's just grind to 110, max out professions, get leggos. No need for friends.
idle kite
well i would not say it was a terrible lvling exp.. it was actually really awesome. forcing you to see and explore the whole map... but up to 60, is enough.
maiden river
Hmm, i leveled to 1-70 back in BC, and i took months, im glad that it wasnt just me being the biggest noob. I simply remember casually spending time enjoying my leveling
Im sure this time around it wont take me that long as ill try go power level as much as i can, but ive always wanted the chance to properly follow all the story lines in quests and learn more lore
simple sorrel
I would argue that the change was needed as the game aged. The old stuff was still old enough to be stale, and people that had been playing for a while wanted to continue playing, but maybe from a new viewpoint (class). So going through that content was undesirable at the time, as the latest xpac was the primary goal because thats where all the fun new content was. Now, many years later, we are running into the issue where the aged content that was once considered to be stale, has aged so much that a slight refreshed take on it brings a very large amount of life back into the experience. It basically got so old it became like new again. It just needed a few touchups to bring it up to speed.
But with those changes over time, people also start to desire the original feel of the game. I would say that WoW today (aside from the very core of the basic combat design) isnt even WoW 2, perhaps WoW 3.
So a way to fix that desire, classic servers ๐
maiden river
Mhm
I stopped playing runescape after it changed into something that didnt even resemble the game i fell in love with, so when OS was released i was all over that. I hope this will be similar
regal junco
oh man i saw a picture of the new runescape engine's render of "Generic bald goatee man with a green vest and metal bracelets" and GOD DAMN
remember that kid you made fun of in middle school? https://s3.amazonaws.com/tribot-forums-attachments/monthly_2016_05/57262ce94e0f8_ScreenShot2016-05-01at12.20.40PM.png.19590ac13614cb7a61488bb26e3d1bb6.png
look at him NOW https://i.imgur.com/UtzWHAg.png
simple sorrel
Slightly iirc
idle kite
there were changes, yes
wooden niche
is that suppose to be like ultima online version of Breaking Badly characters?
hexed finch
lul if wow forums right now are this bad because of a slightly harder version
i cant imagine classic
way worse than this
"BLIZZARD OMG MAKE THIS GAME LESS CASUAL FRIENDLY"
blizzard makes game SLIGHTLY less casual friendly
"OMG BLIZZARD WTF ARE YOU DOING, THE GAME IS TOO HARD NOW WTF MAN"
thick cargo
Lol
fair karma
Where is the lie, though?
sand reef
Happens in every MMO
Like, in FF14, people complained that Unending Coil of Bahamut isn't casual friendly because it's locked behind Omega (Savage)
Personally, I don't mind things being a bit more difficult.
hexed finch
is that a raid
and is that a difficulty level
savage feels much more brutal than mythic
jesus
sand reef
Yes it is. It's basically the end bosses for the Binding Coil of Bahamut raid tiers from ARR, tuned up for Stormblood. Savage is the highest raid difficulty (Extreme in the case of primal fights).
hexed finch
damn FF14 really knows how to make difficulties intimidating
extreme
savage
primal
dayum man tone it down
sand reef
XD
Primal is basically just a fight with a godlike being
Which comes in 2 difficulties: hard and extreme.
Though there is story (normal), but that's only for Ifrit, Titan & Garuda
hexed finch
see hearing just the name of the difficulty sparks my curiosity
but the weebness in FF14
is too much
to make me play it
civic steppe
"weebness" ...you filthy casual
hexed finch
i dont see how weebness spells out i'm a casual
maybe i'm a casual in terms of weebness yes
but not in the more generally used meaning of the word
civic steppe
wait, did u mean that it's too hard or..?
hexed finch
no i mean it's too weeb
hexed finch
i greatly like Tera's combat system,but i dont play it,because it's too korean and it makes me puke when looking at some things
civic steppe
rood
idle kite
Yeah.. people and their anti anime.... jusr accept it already. Its not going anywhere
civic steppe
i'm not a weeb but i don't get nauseated by that
hexed finch
i'm not antianime either
civic steppe
i don't see the point in getting nauseated by it.
hexed finch
i watch anime,i just dont like those 2 games artstyles
civic steppe
boi
hexed finch
boi
civic steppe
you want bad artstyles? go on tumblr
rugged crane
you misspelled "deviantart"
hexed finch
civic steppe
no, trust me
have you seen that horrible art depicting a trans guy?
with the insanely tight waste and shit
cringe
hexed finch
*waist
civic steppe
eh
rugged crane
idk if you're aware of this but that person gets the piss taken out of them constantly on tumblr
civic steppe
and... they deserve it kinda
or, to an extent
because that's not what humans look like
and it's disrespectful to trans people
rugged crane
it sure is
they went to calarts and their art got worse
it's both amazing and horrifying
rugged crane
I mean amazing in the "hard to believe" sense
civic steppe
ah. in that case, ur right
ruby wigeon
so some OSRS players have been wanting a legacy version of their legacy server.
here's what a developer has to say on that matter. Also, yo dawg. Also, this is why updates are important no matter what version of the game it is.
idle kite
lol wtf.... legacy of legacy :))))
do they reset legacy servers ala diablo 2 ladder resets?
i do want that when classic wow comes out
just have the server for 2-3 years... and after that reset it or release a new server for those that were not from the begining of the other server
ruby wigeon
do they reset legacy servers ala diablo 2 ladder resets?
Not for the main servers, but they do have seasonal Deadman Mode servers, which are basically their PvP esports servers a la battle royale style (and yes, this came out before PUBG did).
Also resetting the servers on a more traditional persistent world seems like a really, really good way to drive away the playerbase.
At the very least, it encourages behavior suitable to that of an ephemeral realm. Sporatic play habits. Different priorities that leave a lot of content dead.
idle kite
Well not delete the chars at the time of reset... maybe have just a new realm open every 3 years, or reset the main realm and who wants to keep the chars have them transfer for free to a permanent realm.
Like diablo 3 does
They already have the tech more or less to do that
ruby wigeon
That's certainly a better way to go about it but I have to imagine that running so many versions of the game can get...problematic.
Unless the reset server always follows the same update progression, which could lead to a repetition problem and make it boring, leading to fewer players playing it each time.
The medium would be to have some modifier each reset but even then, I'm unsure how well that'll pan out. Anything more would require two teams - one to update and manage an ongoing classic server and another to update and manage the reset servers.
idle kite
I dont see the same content as being a problem... a lot of people have lvl multiple times on pservers and still enjoy it. + in vanilla alts are kinda hard to keep current... so you play on the new realm as another class for ex.
maiden river
That would be an interesting addition, 2-3 years seems like it would be too long between these seasonal server resets though, and theyโd need to have sone sort of inventive to make players play on it. And a modified world in sone way to nor make it just generic. Like OS deadman servers limit you to acquire everything by yourself and then there are servers for hardcore mode for those willing to loose their characters upon death. Im a fan of the diablo seasonal modes and played a few of them on hardcore mode, good fun.
idle kite
And maintanance cant be that hard cuz they dont need to change anything. They can automate the process... so no need really for multiple teams, same as diablo servers.
maiden river
I just hope they'll do server and in-game store management, and rebalancing of classes like Jagex.
Otherwise, it's going to be garbage.
idle kite
what do you mean server and store management? there won't be any store for vanilla.
maiden river
Buying sub. Not everybody is going to crawl to Walmart or any other retail store just to get monthly sub codes.
idle kite
well i think, most likely, it will be included in your normal wow sub
so... you will be able to buy it in the blizz shop
sure
mossy gyro
I don't think vanilla will have an independent suscription.
maiden river
Let's hope it won't
mossy gyro
My bet is you will be able to play them just with your regular game time.
idle kite
does runescape og have a separate sub? or is it free to play.. i dont even know
maiden river
Seperate, but their prices for sub are same, since you can only have 1 char per account. They have seperate teams that works on games, seperate subs, but same store where you buy stuff. Despite that, they are pretty organised.
maiden river
Sure, seperate sub would suck ass, but seperate sections in store, wouldn't be bad. Also, it would be great if they would let us buy tokens like in modern WoW.
mossy gyro
I'm hoping for an acc wide experience, meaning i could farm ZG and get the Zulian Tiger acc wide.
maiden river
I'm not sure for how long will they keep Classic alive with stable community, if they won't release new content.
idle kite
well they said they will support it until its dead
i mean they still support diablo 2
so... a lont time i guess
long
maiden river
@maiden river you seem to have gotten mixed up there as you do not need a separate sub for OS runescape, you have one account sub and get membership for your main account on whatever the new rs bullshit is called, and the OSRS membership
And i also hope that blizzard goes a similar route, i wouldnt mind paying a one off price for the vanilla game, but id be pissed of they wanted me to pay a separate sub, id still do it ofc but id be very vocal about how much i hate them for it.
mossy gyro
I would totally NOT pay for that. Even if it's included in our suscription, chances are low i'll ever play there.
maiden river
Its not for everyone, but wouldnt you want to get payed for work youve done?
mossy gyro
I see your point, but i don't think Vanilla servers would get many subs for long. Well, Blizzard may have a rough idea. We'll see how they go.
maiden river
As people say, its not a simple task to simply bring back a vanilla server, work needs to get done
Oh yeh i bet it would not get many people on a constant sub just for it, thats why i thought it likely it would be a one off cost
mossy gyro
Imho, the plan is have vanilla realms with as little cost as posible and get them paid for with the extra time regular suscriptors are expending there.
maiden river
Makes sense
I pay runescape sub and only play OSRS, my current rs character is more or less abandoned
ruby wigeon
I dont see the same content as being a problem... a lot of people have lvl multiple times on pservers and still enjoy it. + in vanilla alts are kinda hard to keep current... so you play on the new realm as another class for ex.
Yet clearly it's not exactly a good way to draw mass appeal as it's been proven time and time again that having some differentiation in the content release arc helps to both draw and maintain an audience.
Personal preferences don't mean a lot unless you're the one willing to front everything to provide yourself with that experience... One shouldn't expect anyone else to provide so much just for them and a select few - it's frankly something I wish more legacy lovers would understand in general.
And maintanance cant be that hard cuz they dont need to change anything. They can automate the process... so no need really for multiple teams, same as diablo servers.
I specifically said multiple teams would be needed if the reset server did not just go through the same motion every time, which, as I established, would likely be the better way to draw players to play on said servers.
My bet is you will be able to play them just with your regular game time.
This is also my bet. Runescape actually does this with all three versions of their game and not only does it put on a nice front of generosity, people tend to stick to their own Runescape. There's a larger advantage for WoW though, since despite what people may think, all versions of the game are surprisingly similar. This means when one game gets stale, likely due to the content release cycle, they just go play the other game in the meantime.
I'm hoping for an acc wide experience, meaning i could farm ZG and get the Zulian Tiger acc wide.
I doubt it. That seems like a huge technical mess.
I'm not sure for how long will they keep Classic alive with stable community, if they won't release new content.
There's a fairly high chance it wouldn't remain stable. There's definitive evidence of this:
The rub here is that the Oldschool Runescape team was actually just spending those several months preparing to implement large updates. This is reflected in their dev blog post history. In that brief time, the playerbase plummeted by around 70% relative to the release active playerbase count...
I'd say WoW could hold up better, but in truth Runescape, with its lengthier character progression, actually has the advantage... Also, imagine how much worse the decline would be once it's discovered the potential for updates is nonexistent...
idle kite
I really dont think that this a big money making move on blizzs part... sure they want to cash out on that nostalgia, but they made it pretty clear that they will support it even if there are many playing or if there are just a few
Meaning... besides other classic realms like tbc or wrath there will be no real change to the contents inside the specific exp
So i dont think that the static game content is a problem, even in their view. If you want new stuff like raids dungeons etc play current wow, if you want specific content play classic.
I think they are making classic just to have less pressure from fans and stop a part of private servers and the streaming pservers manhunt they kinda have currently. Sure there will always be pservers cuz they are free and some people dont want to pay/dont have money for sub.
It makes the fan bases not fight so much anymore...
Kinda gives an alternative for everyone.. win win
And its just the cost of servers, which is not a big investment once its out
But i understand your points as well... we will see what happens... i think sooner then we all expect
ruby wigeon
And its just the cost of servers, which is not a big investment once its out
Maintaining those servers is costly. There are past articles about how much WoW cost to just keep running. It was easily in the millions and millions. Keep in mind that electricity and bandwidth alone aren't exactly free. Neither is hiring the proper individuals.
Also, Blizzard already has a fair amount of stuff they need to "carry" such as old Battle.net and all the games associated with it. They were even afraid that Overwatch might need to be carried to the point of having to alter their microtransaction model from a cosmetic-oriented state according to Totalbiscuit.
Furthermore, even old stuff like the SC1 remaster was almost certainly a moderate money spinner all things considered. Generating a respectable amount of revenue is certainly a priority, I would think and while Blizzard may never outright say it, they would like to see Classic WoW be a financial success.
On the off chance it's not, while they might keep the lights on, one thing Blizzard can do is just pull the team off and leave the game to gradually fade into the ether kind of like say...Runescape Classic.
Which is interesting. Legacy lovers don't really like to talk about the tragic tale of Runescape Classic. It is a rather old one that the Nostalrius devs won't tell you about.
As for pressure, pretty sure that releasing Classic WoW won't actually change much. Nostalrius stated they might start hosting BC private servers and there sure as heck are a lot of other specific cutoff date servers because players wanted to play during X patch but maybe even before Y hotfix happened.
But another thing to consider is that the WoW community can complain a lot about even the pettiest of things. There used to be amusing copypastas about this back in the day. Now imagine what happens by bringing all those players back who will have their own forums and support ticket line to throw feedback. I'd argue there's a good chance a massive amount of it will be similar to that of the live official forums, r/wow, r/2007scape, and so on.
I feel bad for the CMs who already have to put up wiith all that crap as is and now there might be more.
With all of that said, I agree that releasing Classic WoW (and putting it on the same sub as live WoW), might be an opportunity to bridge the gap between communities since players may try each others' games. Personally, I'm waiting for the other side to stop spewing RS3 hatred-tier vitriol though and well, I'm always up to talk finer points about both games.
maiden river
Hey, it's not that bad, at least /r/2007scape has dank memes (at least 80% of whole sub)
livid crag
so has there been any real updates since blizzon?
idle kite
No
balmy fern
Don't expect any until the next blizzcon
Have to remember blizzard never willingly wanted to push it. They tried brushing it under the rug after Nost shut down.
idle kite
Or maybe they were working on it and soon we will have news about it
Sc remake took 4 months to finish from announcement
I can see wow classic being released by november
meager dock
WoW classic is a much bigger undertaking than SC remake, imo
maiden river
im excited for wow classic but i feel like everyone is kind of ignoring the fact that playing classic is gonna get a little old after a while
idle kite
Then you play some bfa... then you get bored of that... you switch to classic and so on. Plus there are a lot of other games for when it gets boring. Fact is we always return.... so thats not really a concern.
civic steppe
getting bored while playing BfA? I think not
livid crag
games arent made to last forever
idle kite
Well seeing that sc remake needed hd art and new network code... wow clasic just needs network and server code.... so cant be that dif
Lol.. i got bored with legion.. and i think its one if the best exp
Bfa will get boring as well
livid crag
i feel like i would like legion if i took the time to understand it
but i havent put the real time and grind into it yet
idle kite
I did put the grind... i grinded the ret hidden artefact look when it was a nightmare to get... it was weirdly setisfing and still got bored
civic steppe
did you read the quest/ lore text? if not, that's probs why u got bored
idle kite
Lol i read everything
civic steppe
welp
livid crag
i loved arenas
and they feel so different now
i loved having to grind gear every weak
and farm elite gear
and now none of that matters
i know a lot of people prefer the standardized part of it but i miss having an edge on ppl cuz of gear idk lol
idle kite
So true.. if you put in the time you should be able to one shot people
livid crag
not necessarily
but i remember how good it felt in season 10 to farm all my elite gear
and get my elite weapon
after months of grinding
1 shotting is a little much
but i think u should have an edge by pulling the grind
civic steppe
two people who put in the same amount of time should get the same amount of edge in pvp and pve
idle kite
I like that in vanilla some classes had weird rng damage stacking... so ret would be a wet noodle until stars align and he one shots you... same with shamy enhanced
civic steppe
wdym standardized?
idle kite
Balanced i guess
civic steppe
....i fail to understand your thinking on that subject
balance = good
non-balance = not good
livid crag
no like
the fact that in arenas
everybody has p much the same
ilvl
u can walk into an arena with p bad gear and do really well
civic steppe
and... that's bad, how?
idle kite
Cuz if you put in the time... back in the day you had a leg up on those just starting
Incentive to push hard at start of the season
Sure legions system is way better
But still... we like being op... it just feels good
civic steppe
...i'm sorry but people just starting shouldn't be outmatched by the others just because they haven't played as much.
By your logic, people just starting but who pay more attention than people who started a while ago, should get one shotted by the people who don't pay any attention to the strategies required in warcraft
idle kite
Well not oneshoted... that was only a thing in vanilla where there werent seasons or arena
Since arena it got more even... but still armor made some dif between veterans and beginers. Not oneshot, but a leg up on them.
civic steppe
yeah, like i said before... balance = good
ruby wigeon
Hey, it's not that bad, at least /r/2007scape has dank memes (at least 80% of whole sub)
Unfortunately, it can also be filled to the brim with vitriol. I've seen political subreddits that are tamer than the mudslinging that goes on there..
Thank goodness people like Woox exist though.
Then you play some bfa... then you get bored of that... you switch to classic and so on. Plus there are a lot of other games for when it gets boring. Fact is we always return.... so thats not really a concern.
I actually predicted this in my article but I also pointed out there is one more component to consider to make it a reality: Updates.
getting bored while playing BfA? I think not
Honestly it'll probably happen to some people no matter how good the content design (and other aspects of the game) become. Repetition is an always present death knell and it's virtually impossible at present to appeal to the wide array of specific preferences people have.
Heck I praised Legion's content design but even I know it would fall short because of how players consume content and it turns out it did exactly that.
wow clasic just needs network and server code.... so cant be that dif
Pretty sure it needs more robust servers. There's a fairly large difference between tons of 1v1 matches + idlers and tons of players all within the same virtual space or transporting between many shared virtual spaces not just with a text box and text, but also a virtual 3d avatar that other players can see (and a large virtual world instead of a bunch of interfaces and a series of smaller "worlds.")
civic steppe
that's true but BfA seems to be set on becoming one of, if not the best expacs in WoW yet. Sure, repetition is always gonna be a thing but boredom is more the person's fault than the game's
ruby wigeon
I'm skeptical.
I'm worried about the "cycle of WoW."
currently, we're in the Wrath part of the cycle.
that is to say, a time of massive content richness and accessibility. Of many new features that accentuate this idea.
We may soon be entering the more PvP-oriented, Old God-influenced, revamped, hardcore part of the cycle and there's a risk of the same mistakes being made.
Though I guess we'll have to see how it pans out. Still, considering no one, not even Notch, managed to solve immersing 100% of their playerbase for literally forever into a game, I'm pretty sure it can't presently be done (and Minecraft can't even rely on sunk cost fallacy).
I'm guessing we'll need a few more generations of VR and something at the level of Sword Art Online. In before crucifixion.
civic steppe
i'm certain that'll never be possible since there are millions of players in most popular gaming. To be able to please them all and get not even one complaint would be a massive achievement
ruby wigeon
In the meantime, having two WoWs at the same time would allow for the aforementioned bouncing between games to try to stave off boredom.
Honestly the objective I consider is just preventing players from getting too fatigued by the game. Give them points to take breaks, sure, but for a game that's basically a service, it does live or die by the active playerbase count (and beyond that, the total playerbase count).
maiden river
are we still forgetting eventually there will be actually nothing to do
like that guy earlier saying "grinding gear every week" like. what do you even do after that
the answer is nothing because like 70% of people who want classic despite not remembering it are like "no updates no new content no events"
idle kite
If they have a server reset cycle... u just start over.... like replaying any other game that you enjoy. Or lvl an alt... alts are not really a thing in vanilla.
And since most veterans are now older and have jobs it will take alot to go through vanilla. Most likely 3+ months just to lvl to 60 if you have a full time job
It will be a few years until we get there... and by that time they might think about that reset/restart vanilla thing or classic tbc/wrath servers
civic steppe
aren't you on of those "no updates no new content no events" people, Alexx?
idle kite
Sure.. just bug/exploit fixes
What is wrong with keeping the game as it was
For better or for worst, it is what it is, and was enjoyed by many
civic steppe
i'm sorry, do you want me to take that seriously and answer it as such?
a LOT is wrong with keeping the game as it was
idle kite
Same as any older game, some people like it, some dont. Like for ex. The original zelda... i understand that people like it as it was and was great... but i would never play it. I enjoy the new ones. Same goes for wow classic as a game that some will like, some will hate
civic steppe
the point is, if they return WoW to Classic and never introduce anything new, people (Except for some stubborn assholes) will get bored and because of that, they likely will quit. Fewer new players will join because of bad reviews as well.
because... repetition gives people an excuse to be bored
idle kite
So what?... they already said they will support both version until wow is dead.
Thats what i dont get... how does it affect you if you dont want to play it.?
And that asshole jab.. uncalled for
civic steppe
yes. BOTH versions. Which means, as soon as you stop complaining about one, I'll stop complaining about the other.
idle kite
When dis i complain about legion... i very much like legion.. i think its one of the best exp was has
Still that does not mean i am not interested in classic as well
They are 2 games that i enjoy
As they are
civic steppe
the biggest thing i've seen from you is you don't like the new pvp technical shit
idle kite
So what... i enjoy the pve part of legion...
civic steppe
and a few other things too probs, but can't really remember anything aside from that
...i'm not even talking about legion
idle kite
Sorry but not liking parts of something does not mean its a bad game
civic steppe
i'm talking about, Blizzard can and will update the game in ways that will arguably make it better
i never said it was
idle kite
Ok i guess its just dif points of view between us. No point in arguing.
civic steppe
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idle kite
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ruby wigeon
Same as any older game, some people like it, some dont. Like for ex. The original zelda...
Two problems with your example:
-
The game you're using as an example is a single player game marketed and provided as a limited use media piece much like a movie. It may have some replay value, but even then it's limited how much one can do. This is in comparison to a game marketed and provided as a service like most MMORPGs are. In fact, the fact games like WoW and Runescape have a subscription price tied to them helps to support the argument for more frequent updates, not less.
-
With that said, there are a lot of non-sub, single player games that don't resort to microtransactions to provide updates for a fair amount of time beyond the release date of the game. Witcher 3 was fairly revolutionary in this regard since in addition to providing great value DLC, it went for many weeks releasing free DLC along with the standard fix updates.
The most recent example of this phenomenon in my knowledge is Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which is solely single player game with free updates, which means both bug fixes and content updates. This is also a triple-A priced game.
There are also other examples such as Minecraft, Terraria, etc.
are we still forgetting eventually there will be actually nothing to do
That would be why I linked the chart above, and hell, this is for a game where it takes literally years to max out a player character...
Ok i guess its just dif points of view between us. No point in arguing.
Point of view is one thing, but ignoring evidence is another story entirely.
Also Arsonite, you may want to relax a little.
civic steppe
so i didn't seem relaxed? well, at least i did one thing right
ruby wigeon
My point is you're being an even bigger jerk than I am.
civic steppe
you, a jerk? pff
ruby wigeon
Oh I can get pretty vitriolic when discussing this topic.
civic steppe
perhaps but you've not seemed that way to me, for all the time i've been here
ruby wigeon
I appreciate the vote of confidence.
civic steppe
yw
hexed finch
ew alliance
rugged crane
traitor
rugged crane
You Will Be
hexed finch
clearly not da wae
maiden river
They have what was it, 5% int?
Heard that if you wernt a gnome mage back then, you had no chance
hexed finch
lul making a race because of racials,casual
maiden river
As if, a casual would choose the โpwetiestโ
hexed finch
you make a glorious horde race,proceed to never use its racial,and go stomp puny alliance
rugged crane
consider the concept of "casuals" is ridiculous and elitist and sometimes people just want to play the pretty elf because they want to have fun in a vidya game
rugged crane
yeah, it's a weird one, isn't it?
maiden river
I play to dominate
rugged crane
apparently some people find engaging in certain activities like playing video games to be... enjoyable
maiden river
Blasphemy
hexed finch
m8,horde dominates PvP and raids,the only thing ally got on their side was leeroy
rugged crane
a timeless meme
maiden river
Well then if i were to choose for โfunโ it would be human, so still ally, coz lets face it, aint no pretty horde race
Im a troll mage right now, and i had to be female coz fuck being a deformed troll male, looking at that day in and day out, id quit in a week
maiden river
I dont like you no more
hexed finch
I never said I liked alliance
hexed finch
bb
idle kite
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2018/01/30/classic-servers-cats-and-cute-things-the-world-of-warcraft-interview/#359bef8e5134
Read the first part... it's about classic wow servers.
Brack clearly states that they don't want to support 2 MMOs at the same time... thus wow classic will be like a "normal game"(as the zelda comparison) that starts here and ends here, with no future addins or patches or addons, as i mentioned before. It will not be a service as the current wow is, it will be an automated server system that you won't really need a full team to support it. Maybe 2-5 people to make sure the servers dont blow up when there is too much trafic.
Plus, Brack also said that he knows that wow classic has it's quirks and that some people will not like it, and that that is fine... they don't expect everyone to like it. It's mainly made for those that want to play it. They don't know how succesful it will be, and that they are making it to have that old style that was so famous, that is not available anymore. The thing that i said before, to bring it back with the good and the bad.
And that the main work is to port the servers and clients to modern hardware, and decide what version of classic wow they want to be there as i mentioned before.
i think my questimation was not that way off...
fair karma
troll
wooden path
Thought so thanks :p
maiden river
Undead is probably the coolest horde mage race
idle kite
lol
cunning osprey
Troll or Nightborn now? 
mossy gyro
Classic channel.
cunning osprey
nvm
ruby phoenix
@maiden river the casting animations are still fugly
maiden river
I love em
ruby phoenix
Let's trade. I will trade my undead mage for a nightborne or a troll
ruby wigeon
On the Forbes interview, it seems like you misread the interview and saw only what you wanted to see.
maiden river
At this point i would trade my female troll for an undead ๐
ruby wigeon
I personally see a lot of "what ifs" sprinkled about in the interview as much as a desire to keep the servers pure. To put it another way, I guarantee if enough of the community wants a fork, they'll get that fork.
Oh yeah also, pretty sure statistical evidence of legacy servers in action trump relatively vague interviews.
maiden river
Yep
rare lynx
I'm not sure if they're going to fork and split an already split community (Classic vs Release)
maiden river
You under estimate the power of the split
ruby wigeon
What I mean by fork is that Classic just ends up going in a direction different to that of the original Vanilla iteration AKA what Old School Runescape is doing.
ruby phoenix
Why do you think that?
wooden path
Trust me, itโs going to
Blizzard are already thinking of alterations that players want i.e. updated graphics and stuff
Itโll be different...just as long as the actual game isnโt different though, Iโll be happy
idle kite
What is that discord channel and are you posting it here?
fair karma
@cinder solstice A moment, please?
idle kite
Graphic updates like char models is one thing... and ok, but thinking that they will add content that was not in vanilla i really dont think it will happen. They want to make money with as little effort as possible... make people happy to have an alternative to current wow.. win win
cinder solstice
@main magnet Don't, please.
idle kite
The only extra thing would be future exp realms like tbc, wrath and so on
But that will be only if classic is truly succesful
But i really dont see them supporting it like runescape og with frequent updates and dev talks and all that
But we will see what happens... still a long wait ahead of us.
wooden path
Well yeah but thatโs what Iโm saying
You might see graphical changes and QOL additions (just as I expected since we let the people who arenโt pure about it run all over us)
I just hope the game overall remains at least similar to Vanilla
And I think I read something on WoWhead talking about graphical changes I believe was quoted by a developer @idle kite
Iโll try and find the link for you
Itโs not guaranteed, but rather contemplated.
wooden path
idle kite
yeah.. that's what i posted earlier as well...
small qol like hd models that would be toggleble so you cant really tell if someone else is using it or not, does not have any impact on the game... i think things like that are ok
but overall gameplay and systems should not change at all...
wooden path
I just really hope Blizzard doesnโt listen to the retail community
My talk with mrpeach in #retail-wow has me worried.
idle kite
what conversation? that he won't play it?... i think a lot of people wont play it... i mean a lot. and that perfectly fine
some will play it
and new "old players" will return
and it will have its small hard core players that will enjoy it.
there will always be people that will only play current wow / classic wow... and there will be a small margine (like me) that will play and enjoy both
a lot of people play current wow as a single player game, and that's perfectly fine. classic makes you need to spend time finding people to group with... some people dont have that time or dont want to spend their time like that
its perfectly ok
Blizz knows better then make "prestine realms" insted of vanilla realms.
wooden path
No not that heโll play it
The fact that he hates some things about Vanilla and that they might get the idea of adding it
New talents, xmog, etc
Thereโs people thatโll push for that and never end up playing classic anyways
idle kite
They wont add those...
wooden niche
Oh interesting I din't realise how far behind they were
Hopefulyl they do go with new models
ruby wigeon
Why do you think that?
Because Old School Runescape literally did that, as I said.
As in, we have about 5 years of evidence proving it's been done. The game has updates that were never a thing in Runescape 2.
Only difference being that Blizzard is probably not dumb enough to add a severely detrimental pay-to-win gacha to WoW, thus driving people from the live version of the game to legacy.
Blizzard are already thinking of alterations that players want i.e. updated graphics and stuff Itโll be different...just as long as the actual game isnโt different though, Iโll be happy
It'll probably be a bit more different than that. The starting point will be the same, but the journey from there could be a different story entirely. Either that or Blizzard just modernizes old updates by like say, not using an entire major patch cycle to add voice chat that almost no one uses.
wooden niche
As molten core 10 anniversary showed, the faithful recreation over over decade old something or other is not really what is needed or wanted.
Nor am I sure is even possible. Example so caleld 5 men instanced didn't start out as 5 men, you could bring 40 people in there
10 men scholomance and strath runs were pretty standard thing as dungeons usually didn't have much in the way of quests
ruby wigeon
I mean they could keep those limits removed. It wasn't without penalties
ruby wigeon
Didn't this invite get deleted before?
cinder solstice
Now forever
hexed finch
guys i just got the curse,and this reminded me of classic wow,where this kind of stuff happened all the time xD
fair karma
lol
fair karma
lol
ruby wigeon
speaking of "the curse"
i wonder if Blizzard will replicate the corrupted blood incident for the luls.
Just make it last 5 minutes or something.
civic steppe
or, put it on an old boss. :khadgarface:
ruby wigeon
But then the legacy lovers would get triggered.
fair karma
In that case I think the phrase is 'butthurt
civic steppe
^
ruby wigeon
They're basically synonymous in this context ๐
civic steppe
no, they're not
ruby wigeon
synonym pathing - "triggered" -> "upset" -> "butthurt"
ruby wigeon
Meme definition or not, it's certainly a widely used one...
rugged crane
just because something is widely used doesn't make it correct or good
ruby wigeon
Pretty sure common usage determines definition just as well.
civic steppe
^
fair karma
Triggers are more like things that give anxiety or such
Upset is a mood
Butthurt is the term for offended
ruby wigeon
That's why there's such a thing as archaic definitions of words.
civic steppe
yikes, bad placement of "^"
fair karma
'Triggered' is seriously overused
ruby wigeon
Regardless, my point was still understood and therefore the word served its purpose.
civic steppe
just like "gay" used to be commonly known as an insult?
you really goin' there, interest?
ruby wigeon
Actually, I was thinking about a number of words.
fair karma
Gay is still used as an insult and people need to quit
fair karma
But none of this belongs in this channel.
civic steppe
but it was much worse then
rugged crane
assholes have taken a medical term used for people with PTSD and anxiety disorders and turned it into a joke which was never funny to begin with
civic steppe
right. OFF TO OFF-TOPIC
ruby wigeon
That's unfortunately nothing new. The difference here is I wasn't intending to offend.
civic steppe
then, don't use something as offensive as that
ruby wigeon
Also, pretty sure "butthurt" is a fairly offensive term.
rugged crane
intentions do not affect outcome
ruby wigeon
In fact, I think it's actually worse.
fair karma
Butthurt is a common trolling term
civic steppe
pretty sure it's much less than "triggered"
civic steppe
that's like slapping on the label of "psychopath" or "ASPD" on literally anyone you don't like
when neither of those definitions means what the majority of people think they do
ruby wigeon
But again, that's not exactly an equivalent of this situation.
civic steppe
oh no, it absolutely is
ruby wigeon
oh by the way
trigยทger
หtriษกษr/
verb
verb: trigger; 3rd person present: triggers; past tense: triggered; past participle: triggered; gerund or present participle: triggering
1.
cause (an event or situation) to happen or exist.
(especially of something read, seen, or heard) distress (someone), typically as a result of arousing feelings or memories associated with a particular traumatic experience.
civic steppe
- Psychopath, Triggered, ASPD are all medically connected.
- They're all commonly misunderstood by the majority of people.
- Their meme-definitions mean something that isn't too amicable-sounding
ruby wigeon
yeah, it's actually in the dictionary now.
civic steppe
and so's "dick"
fair karma
Oh, what's the word, what's the word....
Damn it, it is right there in my head but I can't reach it
civic steppe
Interest, you seem to be having a rough day today. You alright?
ruby wigeon
but it's still fair game to use it in place of upset, mostly because both are associated with the state of distress.
rugged crane
it really isn't
ruby wigeon
Actually, I'm rather enjoying this.
civic steppe
I thought you were more well-researched than that, Interest
ruby wigeon
Considering I literally cited the dictionary as evidence...
fair karma
And guyyyyyys
This is #no-wow-discussion
civic steppe
@ruby wigeon @fair karma on that note, let's move to #no-wow-discussion
ruby wigeon
Either way, the point is it can certainly be used the way I used it. I was clearly using in a manner synonymous to that of upset. Butthurt is frankly a worse, more offensive replacement (albeit an accurate one). Changing channels actually fragments the discussion and uh, that's why I'm just closing it off here with a nice little conclusion.
idle kite
It would be very cool to redo the corrupted blood event or the world boss kiting to sw... things like that, but will an auto reset function, like... if the specific boss or spells kill x many players auto despawn/remove boss or spell.
Kazzak wiping the whole of sw... truly epic
ruby wigeon
if the specific boss or spells kill x many players auto despawn/remove boss or spell.
That actually kind of ruins the magic tbh.
I mean if they want to do it, they might as well really do it.
It'll be both amusing and obnoxious, the true essence of the classic era.
idle kite
Well yeah but it would not be only a one time thing like that...
maiden river
My first most memorable moment in wow was during the wrath prelaunch event, it was the most epic turn of events i ever saw, that plague thing spreading throughout the whole game. I didnt care that it was disrupting my game play, it was a hell of a lot of fun. So if world bosses in major cities have the same effect, i am all down for that shit.
ruby wigeon
World bosses were technically the OG when it came to that.
fair karma
Don't behavior scientists or whoever study the Wrath event?
rugged crane
no, that was the corrupted blood plague
though the wrath pre-event was based on that
idle kite
Too bad people started whining about the wrath event and thus blizz cut it short.
fair karma
Oh, I only ever heard of the Wrath one, but I bet they were both fascinating
idle kite
a hunter pet got a debuff from hakkar in ZG and he desummoned him while still having the debuff
then sumoned him in the main city
and pretty much spread on it own through the whole of the game
you could not sit in the cities anymore... you would die right away
so blizz recreated that with the plague event in wrath with the anderhall grain in the main cities, infected rats and all that
fair karma
Coool
I started in BC but wasn't super active and was still learning the game so I missed out on all the coolest shit before Wrath. I still wish I had the vampiric batling
idle kite
but people that could not use their AH and so.. started to whine to blizz and they needed to cut the event that was set for about 3 weeks to 5-6 days
fair karma
๐ฆ
idle kite
but still very very cool to experience
the kazzak attack was crazy as well
you could not kill him cuz he would auto heal for any dead player by 20-30% of this life
fair karma
lol
idle kite
and those shadow bolts would one shot most pplayers
GMs needed to get in and despawn him
thats why i said would be cool to have an auto reset mechanic.. so people that are not at that point ingame can maybe experience it and GMs dont need interviine
i wonder if azuregos was ever kited to ORG
hmmm
sand reef
I do hope that we'll see level 1 Gnome raids on Hogger
fickle drum
Dunno about Azuregos but I know the jade dragonspawn from Forest Song were kitable to Org
ruby wigeon
Too bad people started whining about the wrath event and thus blizz cut it short.
Eh to be fair some of the ways people were doing the event really hurt its enjoyment.
fair karma
^
Trollers be trollin
ruby wigeon
Also, the plague and zombie part were only a piece of the whole. There was also a repeat of the pre-Naxx event then too.
It was basically Legion Invasions 0.5
In fact, I think I might've compared Legion Invasions to it.
limpid pilot
and killing the guy in Kara for the pet and Axe Guitar
ruby wigeon
apparently I didn't.
Kara boss was a pretty small part.
Either way, Necrotic Rune farming was a good excuse to just stay away from towns.
...At least until people started bringing the damn disease to Light's Hope.
hexed finch
guys, you remember how i got the curse 2 days ago,well i found a freshly boosted 110 in org,and started weaving my trap,then he started talking about how he had just bout the expansion and that was his first character,but by the time i started feeling bad,i had already promoted him to GM,so i couldnt back out, bittersweet victory
maiden river
Dont really know what youre on about @hexed finch but it doesnt seem like #classic-wow talk
hexed finch
i posted a pic early about this
as this happened a lot in classic
so technically it is classic talk if related to my previous post 1-2 days ago
maiden river
Hmm well ok
dire pendant
Gawd, when are they releasing this game already?
idle kite
Lol... at the end of this year the earliest... so probably later then that even
dire pendant
Yeah, it probably a lot later than that with BfA releasing in Sept.
fringe dune
From what I gather work on Classic is in the VERY early stages and I would guess that they would not release it until next year maybe even late next year when most people have burned through all the BFA content
civic steppe
@idle kite They're releasing it September 21, 2018, i believe
rugged crane
@civic steppe they meant classic, not the xpac
maiden river
Im thinking also that they will release it when they think people are fed up with BfA, and count it as extra content for the game
So most likely at some point next year in between raid tiers
grave raft
Roflkek
bold talon
Ba
floral geyser
hi everyone
idle kite
Yo
floral geyser
i am KickAlong#1827 if anyone would like to add me i have no idea where to put this info at so i pick first room to my apologies! my characters are very low level but im questing solo for now if someone can help to get higher lvl gears. ๐
i am learning my skill rotations for aflliction orc class atm
indigo venture
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/7wsssd/classic_footage/ Interesting theory
idle kite
Lol
hollow junco
Hmm...
dapper delta
I mean... that theory is kinda cool
ruby phoenix
It might be classic footage, it's not really a big deal...
maiden river
But appardntly it cannot be classic, because of that shadow thingie
dapper delta
,it looks different than classic unless the private servers are the ones in the wrong
maiden river
Well it seems like it can just be from the time frame within wotlk where the shadows were updated but not the other change
Would be wierd that they made the video back then though
ruby phoenix
Maybe they added a few graphic improvements?
dapper delta
To the past?
ruby phoenix
To the new classic server
dapper delta
The whole theory is that footage was not taken in 2004 and reused for just that, people think thats some first gameplay footage for the Classic servers
ruby phoenix
Yeah, that's what I am thinking as well
dapper delta
I sure hope so... wouldn't mind hopping into classic for a week or so until I get annoyed without my normal day quality of life improvements
ruby phoenix
I believe everyone will do the same
There will be only a couple hundred people playing it
As many people as there are on Lotro
dapper delta
Wait is Lotro still alive?
dapper delta
did they ever do account deletion or anything cause i would love to log on to my childhood
dapper delta
im checking on the website dont worry about it lol
idle kite
Lol 700 haha
Dude on only 1 private server there were 15k always online
Lets say 10k move are to classic... still alot nore
And thats not taking in that people from current wow want to play it, the people that stopped alltoghther in cata that want to return etc
There will be at least 1-2 mil players for classic
More*
ruby phoenix
I said 700 after a few weeks
dire pendant
1-2 million for the start, but it won't stay there. I do wonder how you can have a private server with the computing power to handle 15k players online at one time. Doesn't Blizzard use some of the best server technology out there and still caps the number of users at one time around 10k?
idle kite
There will most likely be more them 2 mil at the start... i was talking after a month as well
Blizz does not like shutting servers down and lag on the servers... thus a lower cap and crossrealm
dire pendant
3-4 months down the road a majority of those "trying" out classic will leave it.
Probably at a similar rate that private servers have turnover.
idle kite
What do you mean turnover?
dire pendant
I have read that private servers lose about 90% of their population after a certain amount of time.
dire pendant
Just because you had activity doesn't mean that it was a large population.
idle kite
Sure... but thats just one server
dire pendant
15k players at a time is still a crazy amount of data to process. Most servers cannot handle that.
dire pendant
You think that 100% of the population of the people on private servers are going to go play Classic servers?
idle kite
No...
dire pendant
I would probably put that number closer to 50% or so.
Then you will have some people that are going to play from the live servers.
idle kite
But those that wont move over will be replaced by those that returned and did not want to play on pserver
dire pendant
That will probably be around 10% of the regular servers.
dire pendant
That number will die down to about 1% when the nostalgia and people who don't like the play style quit.
idle kite
Well... we will see. Not even blizz knows how it will go, how can we.... but its fun to speculate
dire pendant
There are people that are trying to get back the feel of Classic WoW and think that it will come back with the release of the older version of the game.
The whole thing will be completely different this time around.
idle kite
And?
dire pendant
Not only will people already know the content.
idle kite
Not really... its true its dif, but not by much
dire pendant
The players will have already been through that content a lot.
idle kite
Sure you know the content, but people who enjoy it will redo it...and that still needs farming grouping up, etc
dire pendant
Now to remove some of the quality of life stuff implemented by Blizzard over the years you will get rid of a large group of people that just didn't understand the way that game was played.
idle kite
So the needs to do what you did before are still there
True... but its not really made for them
dire pendant
Okay, so lets say 10% of the current population that plays retail goes to Classic, that is only 600,000 or so players based on 2011 numbers.
idle kite
From my point of view there will be 3 types of players... who like it, who hate it, and those who like both versions of wow
Classic needs just half of those to be succesfull
dire pendant
You forgot the ones that don't really care either way.
I never said it wouldn't be successful.
hexed finch
well,a lot of the people that will play classic arent playing the current game too
dire pendant
I said that you will get a big influx at the start and that it will drastically drop off.
idle kite
Well an mmos success is based on users active per time... cuz it will most likely be free in the starter edition with the same montly payed sub
dire pendant
It will, they will probably maintain about 20% of the initial influx of players, because they are better and have the money in order to be more responsive to players need.
idle kite
So saying that it will have a lot of people playing for just a shot period is kind of a fail
If it can sustain for at least 6months to a year a big portion of the player base it will be succesfull
But blizz is prob trying to make a profit with minimum investment... so they could see it a success either way
maiden river
Lol, under 1k after a few months, what you been smoking. Depending on how billz launches it, it can have a massive number of player, no point in guessing numbers as it can be in the hundred thousands or even a mill or two.
A lot of people will jump on to it, burn out in a week or two, but most will stay and play a brilliant game.
I intend to play the shit out of it on day one, and grind my way through the game, as is intened.
spring cliff
Bliz is relaucnhing classic?
rugged crane
slowpoke.jpg
maiden river
Wait what? Bliz is relaunching classic? Aint nobody told me about that
Its not like it would be the biggest news to come out of blozzcon
What is even BfA anyway?
civic steppe
you must be new here
distant rose
civic steppe
also, that BfA question is a good question to ask in #beta-ptr-spoilers
Unless you don't want to read spoilers. In which case, you'll just have to wait.
@maiden river
maiden river
How in the hell did you not read the sarcasm that was overflowing in my messages? @civic steppe ? With a name like yours id expect you to atleast understand when someone is being a troll.
spring cliff
he probs just rolled you guys
final obsidian
powerful troll
idle oxide
Once you farm nax for a few months after week 1 of release itโll get real stale
idle kite
Yeah... im sure everyone will clear naxx as fast as the first week... lol
maiden river
Ahahaha, sure lol ๐
civic steppe
@maiden river my problem with that, is it assumes that everyone understands when someone makes a joke, be it sarcastic or not.
Any exaggeration of extreme belief shouldn't be taken as such without notice, by everyone.
I refer you to Poe's Law.
Also, no need to be condescending. Sheesh
You must also understand that questions which would be considered even more stupid than "What's BfA" have been asked and answered seriously on here. Whether they are troll questions does not diminish the possibility that they were asked in all seriousness, so they must be taken seriously and given the benefit of the doubt in case they're not troll questions.
maiden river
Hmm, makes sense, i understand where youre coming from, i just thought that there was enough sarcasm in my messages to let everyone clearly know that i was joking.
civic steppe
Unless I could somehow read your mind, that premise is false.
One cannot assume that everyone knows when one's making a joke
maiden river
Yeh, i know
Text can be difficult to interpretate
I simply spend too much time on a discord where pretty much everyone understand that im joking most of the time
Also, wasnt meant to be condescending, just all jokes ๐
acoustic merlin
when will classic come out
idle kite
Soon TM
indigo venture
some time between tomorrow and never
maiden river
I still see it as a massive troll ploy, next blizz con, they will come out and say...โhaha april fools, gotcha all, fucking suckersโ
rigid basin
If I found it easy leveling a smite priest in TBC, will it be hugely different in Classic?
sterile wolf
In classic best way to level was shadow. It took ages to level as holy or disc.
acoustic merlin
when will classic come out
rugged crane
we don't know yet
civic steppe
probably like 2020 or so
rigid basin
I never liked shadow
The only difference talentwise I can see is Surge of Light
Does it make a huge difference or are there other changes in TBC that affect Disc/Holy priest?
hexed finch
sterile wolf
Now that's farming in a trance
idle kite
Here for an idea of smite priest... not lvling... but still you can make an idea of whats what
sterile wolf
Back in BC and I think in Classic too, there was a thing called Wand Priest, using the talent "Wand Specialization". Mostly used when out of mana. ๐
idle kite
Yup.. thats how you lvl up to 40... then you switch to shadow
rigid basin
I have also heard of a NE Priest that uses only Holy fire and Starshards during leveling, which is supposedly high DPM
idle kite
doesn't holy fire have a long cast time?
sterile wolf
That used to be, now its on cooldown
deft nova
@Johannes#9788 I leveled a disc in vanilla. Never again
rigid basin
Did you put talents into Spirit tap and spiritual guidance?
rigid basin
Ah wait, spirit guide is holy
white void
Do people understand that 'Classic' means 30 hours a week just gathering mats for your raid? Been there, done that - and earned a divorce over it. Not doing in marriage #2.
fickle creek
yes, people know that, but claim that is what they want
forest crypt
BUT VANILLA WAS SUCH A GOOD TIIIIIIIIME XDDDDDDDDD
As much as I enjoyed Vanilla, I can't see myself committing much time to a Classic server. Hell, I don't even put much time into Vanilla private servers as it is, because I just find myself wanting to do other things.
proud temple
Personally I think classic servers will be overpopulated for about a month and then everyone will remember how many quality of life changes we've had since then and how Vanilla was the epitome of "grindfest" and then it'll be a dead project
dire pendant
The questing experience was tough to say the least. Not nearly as well setup as it is now.
proud temple
Questing, running to the bg you wanted to queue for, finding 40 dedicated people willing to waste 8+ hours on a raid
Not to mention farming Fire Res gear
dire pendant
I once read an article that said that they wanted you to do a quest for a minimum of two hours.
proud temple
Slow movement because your 100% mount cost over 1kg and getting that took weeks of dedicated farming
Some people WILL love it
But most people have coke-bottle-nostalgia glasses that are fogged over
dire pendant
I agree some will. Most will be like eh, that was fun onto better things.
proud temple
Yep
It'll be dead in a few months with only the REALLY grind-happy players are reliving their glory days in Vanilla
dire pendant
Oh, but the talent tree, you know.
proud temple
I loved WoW back in the day, but I'd rather play it as it is now than Vanilla
I DO miss talent trees though
And seals
And auras
But besides that, fuckit lol
dire pendant
I kind of do, and I kinda don't. The new talent tree feels more dynamic in that generally there isn't a you need to go this far down this tree and then to this tree stuff. If they would have kept the old talent tree that thing would be huge now or you would have so many of the talents in it you wouldn't have a specific spec.
Ammo gabs and carrying anhks everywhere.
*bags not gabs
proud temple
Oh I agree those were unnecessary
well, maybe necessary then, not now
I just liked the passive boosts and talent procs and such and when you were "done" with your tree you grabbed some more passives from another
dire pendant
People are also going into it this time knowing exactly what is going to happen and where to find what you need. It isn't like they are going into this without any information.
proud temple
For a small portion I agree, but I think people are cherrypicking what they remember
Like, they're remembering talent trees, a stronger "social" aspect, and WPvP
dire pendant
Having to rely on other people for just about everything did make a community.
proud temple
Not 40 man raids, 10 hours a raid, grinding mats for an entire day etc
I agree the community was stronger, and there were people on servers that everyone just "knew"
Like back in the day there was a human paladin on Earthen Ring named Lykis who ran a guild called the All of Might Kings
I was horde back then and he was a joke that everyone knew and his guild was always starting pvp shit everywhere
dire pendant
You also didn't know what it was like on other realms unless you either transferred or made a new character.
proud temple
Yep
People also hate things like heirlooms or "easier" raids, which I still maintain aren't actually that much easier they're just more accessible to people like me who work 50hrs a week with a wife and kids and don't have 20 hours a weekend to dedicate to 3 bosses lol
dire pendant
They aren't "easier" at all. The old raids are definitely easier mechanically. I also only get to play like 15 hours total a week. Not really worth the time sink to me, especially since I know I won't like it that much.
dire pendant
Get out of the fire. Get out of the cleave. Don't stand in front of the boss. You do more damage behind the boss.
dire pendant
Congrats.
serene siren
Ty
proud temple
I think he means question lol
serene siren
It took me a while
proud temple
Or maybe not lol
proud temple
lol
dire pendant
Yes.
proud temple
Classic servers being implemented, yes
ionic rock
no
proud temple
Well no class/race/spec gets more xp than another